- Hey everybody, welcome to The Baptist Biased.
I'm your host, Pastor Shelley,
and we're gonna get started like we always do
with our been along.
- Good evening to all you slave-owning,
white supremacist, capitalistic, misogynistic,
MAGA-loving, populist, nationalist, top 1% masters
in a dreary, dark night.
To all you oppressed, disadvantaged, photo ID challenged,
overlooked, held down slaves.
Of course, that's what critical race theory
would have you believe is the bleak description
of 2022 America.
But in fact, CRT is our only hope of forcing whites
to finally realize how inherently and hopelessly evil
they truly are due to their immutable skin color.
Regardless of their behaviors and attitudes,
they'll never be able to overcome their slave owning DNA
that they inherited from Paw Paw.
You might be thinking, this sounds a little over the top.
If you think that, it's because you're in fact
a racist.
If you don't think you're a racist, but you're white,
then you're definitely a racist.
Let me help you confused whities
realize how racist you truly are
by pointing out all the ways you oppress your victims.
Think of voter ID, for example,
the villainous concept that voters must snag a pick
in order to participate in the democratic process.
Here's the problem.
We all know black people are too poor and unintelligent
to go get their picture taken.
By not acknowledging that,
you out yourself as a bigot.
Did you not realize that the flash from a camera
is white light?
I said white light.
Obviously a subliminal message
coming from the white devils.
Requiring black voters to approve who they are
is just so untrusting as well.
You ever think about that?
You think black people like Jussie Smoye
wouldn't be honest at the polls?
The only exceptions to racist identification
would be situations like driving a vehicle,
passing through TSA, opening a bank account,
going to a baseball game, renting a house,
or virtually anything else.
But black people obviously can't be expected
to bring their ID to the ballot box.
It would be too heavy for them to carry
as they stand in line.
You call yourself colorblind?
Do you minimize race as some sort
of superficial characteristic?
According to CRT, that's still racist
because you're ignoring bigotry.
You support civil rights?
According to CRT, that's still racist.
We all know you're only doing it to advance white interests.
You think all lives matter?
According to CRT, that's still racist.
You're ignoring the plight of minorities
who are being hunted down, shot, and killed by not--
police officers, by police officers every single day.
Nothing you ever do, white man, will ever change the fact
that you victimize minorities simply by breathing air.
There is no hope for you.
There is no remedy.
Critical race theory, I should say,
says that you hated black people from the very moment
that you came out of your mother's womb
or were the twinkle in the eye of your father, who obviously
loved the KKK.
It's the original sin of every white person
who's ever been born.
I guess I'll never understand, because the Bible says
that God is no respecter of persons.
Perhaps that's racist, too.
Or perhaps it's just the Baptist bias.
That was a really exciting analog.
And I'm excited for this evening's show.
We're dedicating our show to critical race theory.
We want to talk about it.
And it's going to be a lot of fun.
We have a guest with us this evening.
And I'll let you think in your mind what he looks like.
Maybe color me a racist or whatever.
But that's the only way I view people is by their skin color.
And so it's really-- I'm just kidding.
Obviously, this is just going to be a lot of fun tonight.
A lot of people take this issue extremely seriously.
And obviously, we should take the evils of sin
and the hatred towards race seriously.
But I really feel like it's just a strawman argument
that liberals, and Democrats, and politicians
are pontificating about how they're not
racist, when in fact, I find America not racist at all.
Going down the street, you see every single color.
You go into the store, every single color,
red, yellow, black, and white.
They're all precious in a sight.
The Bible doesn't care.
People don't really care.
Honestly, it seems like if it wasn't for the news,
nobody would even realize anyone was racist.
And that's why it's really important that we address
the nonsense of this CRT that's being promulgated
by news wing media, by the leftists, by the Democrats,
and even, in my opinion, the Republicans
who play into their hand and act as if this
is some serious issue rather than just laughing it off.
But we have-- Ben the Baptist is our co-host.
Why don't you say hi?
I think you're just explaining away your own inherent white
supremacy, actually.
I think that's what we just witnessed there.
But anyway, thanks for throwing it over to me.
I appreciate it.
It's going to be a fun show tonight.
Episode 3 of "The Baptist Bias, Critical Race Theory."
Let's see how many lefties we can make cry themselves
to sleep tonight.
Well, considering the fact that it's Black History Month,
I want to do something to commemorate.
I mean, we should have a little bit of fun, shouldn't we?
I believe so.
Why not?
Let's see if we can get our guest on here
to say hi to as well.
We have with us Brother Marcel from our church.
Hey, Marcel, how's it going?
How's it going?
You can hear us OK?
Yes, sir, I can hear you well.
Can you hear me?
Yeah, we hear you loud and clear.
We're going to do a little game here.
And I'm going to do the first game for Brother Marcel.
And then we're going to kind of do a joint game for both.
It's going to be a competition between you and Ben.
We'll see who gets the best answers.
But I'm going to have you do a little game.
And you didn't even know we were going to do this.
So you're just going to be right on the hotspot, all right?
So you got to think critically for me here,
because this is critical race theory, all right?
But I'm going to name a car, all right?
And you have to tell me if you can envision
a brother riding in this car.
And what I mean by a brother,
I'm talking about a black guy.
Because in honor of Black History Month,
we want to see what kind of vehicles
our brothers are driving.
So, you know, you can think of this as either yourself
or your grandpa or whoever you want.
But it, you know, name of the game
is give a brother a ride, all right?
So I'm gonna name a car
and you're basically gonna give me a yay or a nay
on if this is a car that you're gonna give,
you're gonna give a brother a ride in, all right?
You understand the game?
All right. - Yep.
- You ready?
Honda Civic. - Yep.
- All right.
Impala. - Yay.
- Ford Pickup. - No, nay.
(laughing)
Subaru?
- Nay.
- That's like a hell nah.
(laughing)
How about a Jeep Wrangler?
- Hell no.
(laughing)
Nay.
Double name. - Mini van.
- No way.
- How about a Volkswagen Beetle?
- Hell no.
- Cura Integra?
- Nay.
That's a maybe, but nay.
- Cadillac Escalade?
- It depends if it's old with 30 inch rims.
That could be a yay, but nay.
- Hummer?
- Nay.
- Kia Soul?
- Nay.
- Camaro?
- Yay.
- Cayenne?
- Nay.
- A Mercedes SL500?
- Nay.
- A taxi cab?
- Well, that's a yay, it depends.
- Okay.
- If you'd like to move, yeah.
- Nay.
- How about a Ford Taurus?
- Nay.
- All right, and then my last one is this.
Ultimate car, if you're gonna pull up,
you got your best bud coming into town,
what are you gonna pull up in?
What are you gonna give him a ride in?
- Ultimate car would be a Chevy with 30 inch rims.
- Black or what color?
- Probably red, could be black.
- What about an all white Cadillac, is that an option?
- Unnecessarily.
- Okay, so we got, let's consider a Honda Civic,
but no to a Hummer, that's interesting.
All right, we're gonna play another game here
and I wanna see if our production crew can help me.
Give me a thumbs up if you got this,
but we're gonna play Things That Are Black, okay?
- Oh boy, here we go.
- Things That Are Black and I wanna give you guys
both an opportunity to give me some answers.
And this is kind of rapid fire, okay?
So don't feel free to answer, you know, very quickly.
- Whatever comes to mind, I'm just gonna say.
- Are we good, can Marcel still hear us?
Okay.
- Yeah.
- Can you mute it?
Can you mute his audio so he can't hear us
for just a second?
- Yeah.
- Can you hear me, buddy?
- I can't hear them right now, no.
- Perfect.
All right, are you ready, Ben?
- All right, let's do it.
- You're the next contestant.
- I'm on the hot seat.
- On the Things That Are Black, all right?
- Let's do it.
So would I just say yes or no?
- It's gonna be more of a, no, you have to answer,
it's just like an open-ended question.
- I gotcha, okay.
- Name a black actor.
- Denzel Washington.
- Black singer.
- Does he have to be alive?
- Tupac.
- Black food.
Okay, name a food that black people like to eat.
- Watermelon.
- Name a restaurant you would associate with black people.
- KFC.
- Name a black word or phrase.
- Homemade.
- Name a black athlete.
- Russell Wilson.
- Name a person who's donned blackface.
- Justin Trudeau.
- Name a black person movie.
- Friday.
- Name a black person clothing item.
- Jeans shorts.
- Name a black preacher.
- T.D. Jakes.
- Name a job in which you would assume
a black person would be working.
- Lawyer.
All right.
(laughing)
Applause.
Some of his answers, black singer, Tupac.
(laughing)
We can tell that you need some work on this,
but I think you did pretty good.
I like it, homie.
All right.
You did okay.
All right, now let's bring Marcel back on.
We're gonna bring our,
we're gonna see how the real deal does on this.
All right, are you ready for our game, Marcel?
- Yeah, let's go.
- Okay, this is where you're gonna name things
that are black.
It's not gonna be a yay or a nay.
You're gonna actually have to think of an answer here,
but try to be as rapid fire as you can, okay?
- Yep.
- First question, name a black actor.
- Bernie Mac.
- Name a black singer.
- Ashanti.
- Black, a food that black people eat.
- Fried chicken.
- Name a restaurant that black people eat at.
- What's that breakfast spot?
Waffle house.
- Name a black word or phrase.
- Ninja.
- Name a black athlete.
- You have a Damien Thomas, Michael Jordan.
- Name someone who's donned blackface.
- What do you mean by that donned blackface?
- It's someone that is not black, but put on blackface.
Do you know?
- Someone who's not black, but put on blackface?
- Yeah, can you think of any examples?
- No, I know somebody who's black
that put on a whiteface, Michael Jackson.
- Okay.
All right, name a black movie.
- Don't be a menace to South Central,
but don't be a menace.
- Name an item of clothing that black people wear.
- Clothing, Jordans.
- Name a black preacher.
- Buffalo Baller.
- Name a job in which you would expect
the person to be black.
- KFC.
(laughing)
- All right, congratulations.
Good job.
- Good job.
- Good job, Marcel.
- So this is what we've learned, okay?
We've learned that some black stereotypes ring true
no matter who you are.
- That's true.
- And black people don't care about white people
putting on blackface, obviously.
- So we'll give you Ben's answers, all right?
Ben, black actor Denzel, black singer Tupac,
which I had to help him, it's Tupac.
Black food, watermelon.
Black restaurant, KFC, so there's a ding ding winner.
Black word or phrase, homie.
- There we go.
- Now we need you, is that legit?
Would you ever call someone homie?
- Yeah.
- That's kinda weak, all right.
- I think it's transformative, bro.
- See, my favorite word is finna.
I think that's legit.
All right, black athlete.
- Yeah, that word is ringing.
- He said Russell Wilson.
A person that's done blackface, he did Justin Trudeau.
I kind of, we talked about this a couple days ago,
so it's probably helped him.
There's a lot of other people that you could think of,
like Jimmy Kimmel.
He did Karl Malone, the basketball player.
- I didn't know that.
- You also have, there's a movie with,
oh, I don't know why I all of a sudden forgot his name.
It's like a military movie.
- Harrison Ford.
- I don't know, I'll think of it here in a minute.
- You can Google it.
You know the title?
I'll Google it right now for you.
- Can't remember, it's kind of a spoof military movie.
And it's the guy that was like the Iron Man guy.
What's the main actor for Iron Man?
- I'll tell you in a second here.
It is...
- I know the one that do a lot of spoof.
- Robert Downey Jr.?
- Yeah, Robert Downey Jr., that's who it was.
He did it, so.
All right, black movie, he said Friday.
Now that seemed pretty legit.
- Yeah, that's a good one.
- I have to say that was a pretty good one.
- I've actually watched that one.
- That's a good answer.
- Yeah, that's actually number one.
That's number one.
- Now he said, you said black clothing item Jordans.
I totally agree with this.
What about Ben's answer?
He said jean shorts.
Have you ever seen a black guy wear jean shorts?
- Yeah, they wear that all the time.
- Maybe like baggy jeans.
- No, they wear shorts under,
they always wear shorts under their jeans
or shorts under their pants.
That's like a custom.
- They have like saggy jeans.
- But it's never jean shorts.
- I should've said basketball shorts, though.
- Yeah.
- That would've been more accurate.
- That wasn't very good.
- They wear basketball shorts all the time
under their pants.
- He said black preacher, T.D. Jakes.
Now that was legit.
- That's a good one.
- Okay.
- And then I said name a job in which you expect
the person to be black.
Ben said lawyer.
How do you rate that answer, Marcel?
- Zero.
- I saw it in a commercial once.
I was watching a commercial for law school
and the person was black that was getting
their bar degree or whatever, so.
- All right, well again,
I'm just trying to start the show on white books.
Hey, it's black history month,
so we gotta celebrate, you know, black people.
You know, I just want to know this though, Marcel,
do you feel special because there's an entire month
dedicated to black people?
- Not at all.
- Okay.
- It's not like I'm getting discounts at every store.
- Did you feel like in January
it was white person month or something?
- No.
- Here's a question.
Should we have an Asian history month?
- I mean, I would think so.
I mean, we get all my products from them.
(laughing)
- We owe them.
- Yeah, it is like, you know,
basically it's a celebration of China
every time we buy anything, right?
Made in China.
I guess it's just silly to me.
It's funny that we just forget
all other races exist for history.
Where's Hispanic culture?
- I think it exists.
- History month, is it?
- There is a Hispanic one.
I'm almost positive.
I'll Google it right now.
- Okay, look that up.
What about Native American month?
Is there a Native American month?
- I don't know about that one.
What about Indian?
There ought to be Indian month.
- Okay.
Okay, I have one more game for you, okay?
And this one, I'm gonna let y'all play at the same time.
- I think it's on second card.
- Y'all can just spit out your answer of what you think.
But this one's not as defined.
So you're either gonna name the race, country, or area
that comes to mind first when I say a particular food.
So acceptable answers would be things like white, black,
Hispanic, Texas, Germany, China, Asian.
Basically just whatever comes to your mind first
when associated with that particular food.
Y'all kind of have an idea where I'm going with this?
- Yep.
- Yep, simple enough.
All right, watermelon, black, bam.
- White.
- That's white.
I mean, you can't get more white than that.
- PB and J, white.
- White.
- Pineapple, Hawaii.
We can see regions, right?
Yeah, any?
Yeah, Hawaii.
I'll say America 'cause we eat a lot of pineapple over here.
- Sauerkraut.
- That's white.
- I'm gonna say white.
- Fried chicken.
- I mean, it's Harlem, New York.
- Black.
- Black, black.
- Brickets.
- India.
- John the Baptist.
(laughing)
- Oh, that's India.
- Caviar.
- Italy.
- White.
- Coconut.
- I don't know, European.
- Coconut, I'm gonna say Hawaii again.
- Tropical.
- Yeah, tropical, that's good.
- Syrup.
- Canada.
- There we go.
Hey, Kennedy.
- Yeah.
- I'll follow your answer.
- All right.
Syrup.
Shrimp.
- Jamaica.
- I'm gonna say white.
- Gumbo.
- Indiana.
- Crepes.
- France.
- I don't even know what that is.
- You don't even know what that is?
- Well, it's obviously not black people.
- Oh, those are close.
- Marcel, it's pretty good.
I'll take you.
- In the words of Ricky Bobby,
it's really thin pancakes.
- Essentially, it's pretty good.
- All right, chocolate.
- I mean, that's multicultural.
- Everybody.
- Yeah, everybody.
- Woman, woman.
- The global women.
- Vodka.
- Russia.
- White.
- Pepsi.
- That's a white drink.
That's a white drink.
- I'll say my wife, she loves it.
- I think it's kind of, I feel like a lot of the people
that have advertised Pepsi are like black singers.
How about coffee?
- Throw it on the commercials.
- Coffee, that's a white drink too.
- Definitely white.
- Yeah, that's a white drink.
- Sausage.
- I don't even know what comes to mind.
I'm gonna say white, that's another white,
that's a white food right there.
- Steak.
- I think that's another white food.
- Passagelli.
- Passagelli, yeah.
- Yeah, all right.
- And he's white, so white person food, there you go.
- All right, thanks guys for playing with me.
All right, so I think we can get started.
What is CRT?
Because I'm just having fun here this evening,
but obviously people are taking this pretty seriously,
and you know, I kind of feel like
the more you act like it's a really serious thing,
the kind of the more you play in their hand
and you kind of make it seem legitimate.
Whereas I feel like if we just kind of celebrate
our differences and just don't care about these boxes
that they try to put us in,
it really just kind of makes it null and void.
It kind of helps you just kind of ignore it
and make it seem stupid like it is.
But you know, in order to figure out
what we're talking about,
Ben, don't you kind of have a clip
or don't you have something kind of a practice about
what is this CRT?
- I do have a clip and before we go to it,
I wanted to give a quick background on critical race theory.
Derrick Bell, the professor of law at New York University
is the movement's intellectual father figure.
That's what I was able to find in my research.
He was an American lawyer,
professor and civil rights activist, died in 2011.
The New York Times said this about him,
said he was a pioneer of critical race theory,
a body of legal scholarship that explored
how racism is embedded in laws and legal institutions.
Even many of those intended to redress past injustices.
His 1973 book, Race, Racism and American Law
became a staple in law schools
and is now in its sixth edition.
So it's essentially identity politics on steroids.
That's what CRT is in layman's terms.
It's basically the idea that racism
is not just something that occurs between individuals,
but rather is inherent in society itself.
It is systemic, that's what they believe.
And I believe it is an offshoot of Marxist ideology as well.
We have a short clip that I think outlines what this is
according to the official narrative at least,
which if we can get a thumbs up whenever that's ready,
and it is ready, so let's play it now
so you guys can see what I'm talking about.
- Around nearly 50 years,
but has gained mainstream recognition only recently.
African-American legal scholars developed it,
expressing the belief that racism
is not simply individual acts of prejudice.
They say it's bigger than that.
It's embedded into the United States'
legal and social systems.
The U.S. has paid more attention to racism in recent years.
In 2019, the New York Times published
its Pulitzer Prize-winning 1619 Project,
which covered the legacy of slavery in the U.S.
In 2020, the murder of George Floyd
by police officer Derek Chauvin
gave fuel to the Black Lives Matter movement,
a protest against the unjust killing
of Black people by police.
Conservative voices reacted to the focus on racism.
In 2020, then-President Donald Trump announced
he would stop funding federal training
on diversity and critical race theory.
In 2021, at least five states passed new laws
or took other action to regulate classroom discussion
of racism and critical race theory.
Others are considering similar legislation.
Lawmakers from the Republican Party initiated the new bills.
Their supporters say a focus on race
might further divide Americans and worsen race relations.
Liberals say it's a mistake to forbid discussion
of an important societal issue.
The controversy over critical race theory
could become an issue in the November 2022 midterm elections.
And there you go.
So here are a few of their tenets.
Racism is inherent in society.
Like I said, it's systemic, not something that occurs simply
between individuals.
They also believe in something called interest convergence.
And this is basically what this means,
that when white people begin to get involved
in civil rights action, they're only doing it
because white interests are converging with black interests.
So whenever, I should say the only time
that black people were able to achieve civil rights goals
is because their goals align with white interests.
Objectivity they believe is impossible.
So they would reject CRT advocates would,
the idea of there being any sort of objective truth.
And they also believe that colorblindedness,
so-called, quote unquote, actually perpetuates racism.
You heard me mocking that in the Benelog segment.
So what do I mean by that?
Examples of colorblindedness.
What I found online would be statements like this.
I don't see color, I just see people.
We're all just people.
I don't care if you're black, white, green,
or purple polka dotted.
Hashtag all lives matter.
These are all examples of colorblindedness
that they say is wrong.
It says while color, this is from a critical race theory
sort of some writings from CRT advocates.
They say while colorblindedness sounds good in theory,
in practice, it is highly problematic.
Again, they believe that it perpetuates racism.
So that's what CRT is in a nutshell.
It's being taught in the government, within the government.
It's being taught in public schools across the country
as well, despite the fact that the left will deny that.
And it is, I think, furthering the divide between racists,
something that honestly people shouldn't take so serious.
You know what I take seriously?
My faith.
I take the Lord Jesus Christ seriously.
I take the word of God seriously, not what color I am.
But that's CRT in a nutshell, Pastor Shelley.
- Well, I appreciate that you showed us that video
just to give us some kind of idea,
but you know what I find amusing about video clips like this
and about explanations is they always seem to be
inherently hypocritical, even in their own video.
- Oh, absolutely.
- Because what's funny, I hadn't seen this video before,
but they start in 1619 and they talk about, you know,
the oppression and slavery of black people.
And then it immediately fast forward to 2020,
like over 400 years later,
which some people don't even realize
how long 400 years are.
I mean, America didn't even exist
as it is today 400 years ago.
I mean, we didn't even have the sovereign states
of the United States.
We were under British rule
and we've completely declared independence
from British rule.
But they also said in their video
that CRT is not about individual acts of racism,
but rather a systemized law system,
either in the social system
or in the political or in the government.
But then they point to Derek Chauvin
who has been convicted of,
I think like either first or second degree homicide,
maybe his third degree.
A lot of really high charges
against the individual George Floyd.
And I really fail to see their narrative
being crafted correctly
'cause they claim it's not an individual act of racism,
but then they point to an individual act of racism.
They didn't point to a law,
they didn't point to some government institution,
they didn't point to some particular example
that's a broad scale,
they just pointed to one particular incident.
And again, even that particular incident,
Derek Chauvin was actually called in
to handle a disturbance where other police officers
are trying to arrest George Floyd,
he was resisting arrest
and then they were called in as backup.
I really failed to see how Derek Chauvin
orchestrated and planned the killing of a black man
on purpose by getting called in
to help someone that was resisting arrest.
Now, arguably, there's a lot of debate on
the methods at which he used to detain George Floyd.
Was it appropriate?
Did he follow his training?
Was he potentially doing something negligent or purposeful?
I think there's a lot of speculation there.
I personally don't think that any of the actions he took
were inherently racist,
but that's obviously some people would strongly disagree,
but they can't point to any objective law
that says all black people are bad, let's kill them,
let's put knees on their necks.
There is no such law.
There is no such factoid that they have in their favor.
If the entire United States just has laws
that are discriminating against people that are black,
maybe I can't see it 'cause I'm white, right?
I just live this privileged life and I just float
on this fairy tale of just, I have all these privileges
and all these things just handed to me on a silver platter
so I just can't see it.
So we have a guest with us, brother Marcel,
who, you know, he looks black to me.
Now, according to Joe Biden, he's not black
because he didn't vote for him, but spoiler alert.
But I think that Marcel is black, you know, proved me wrong.
But I wanna ask you, Marcel, what laws have you encountered,
what governmental systems have you encountered
that you felt like you were personally being discriminated
because you're black?
And let me caveat this, I did not give Marcel any prep.
So, you know, I'm just here to hear the truth.
So what obvious black discrimination
from the legal system have you received, Marcel?
I wanna hear it.
- Yeah, I don't have any.
I mean, I have all the same opportunities
as everybody else in America to do all that, please.
So I don't have nothing holding me back
to do anything I would like.
- Now here's the thing.
Do you, did America like pay you money
to come on the show tonight and say that?
Or like, do you love America?
Do you think America's like the greatest place ever
and you would never say anything negative about America?
I mean, how could you get on the show
and just immediately say
you haven't been racially discriminated against?
- I mean, I can easily say
I'm not racially discriminated against
because about two weeks ago,
I just got pulled over by a white officer
and is going home from church
and guess what?
They let me go.
Then they give me no ticket.
They didn't arrest me.
They didn't pound me to the pavement.
So, and obviously I was--
- The president didn't shoot you.
- America is the greatest place on this planet,
but yeah, I know.
- You mean he didn't plant drugs on you
and then slam you on the ground
and put his knee on your neck?
Every time I get pulled over,
and this is all anecdotal,
every time I get pulled over,
they don't even ask me.
They don't even say like,
"Sir, do you know how fast you're going?"
Or, "Why were you speeding?"
They're just like, "Where's your license?"
And then there's like, "Come back, here's your ticket."
I'm just like, I don't even get a chance.
I don't even get an opportunity to say anything.
- Can't even plead your case?
- I mean, do I look black?
Or what is it?
What is it about me?
- You can't even plead your case.
- Yeah.
Well, here's the thing though.
- I felt to myself surely
I was gonna get arrested or something.
- Yeah, but here's the thing.
From my previous question,
do you think that America's just like super great
and wonderful and you would never say
anything negative about it?
- No, I don't think it's super great.
I mean, I think there's a lot of problems
with America in and of itself.
I mean, when it comes to the justice system,
Slack and a lot of propaganda
that's being pushed down our throats
and how they're trying to strip away our rights,
our freedoms.
So there are a lot of problems.
- So you see issues in the justice system.
You're not saying that it's perfect
or you have this rosy colored view of life?
- Well, I mean, obviously everybody has their biases,
but you know, the Bible says the law of the Lord is perfect.
So I mean, God's law is perfect when it's implemented,
but the justice system is not perfect.
I mean, they'll arrest somebody who's doing, you know,
that's a drug dealer for a long period of time,
but they'll let a rapist go scot-free.
But in most cases, it'll give them a slap on the wrist.
So, you know, that's a big issue there.
Trying to make people take the vaccines.
I mean, what if I don't want it?
- Well, let's say, let's play a fun hypothetical.
And I'll let Ben think of a question here too,
that he can ask you.
But let's say you got to change something
about the justice system, something about the legal system.
What would be that?
And it doesn't have to be your perfect answer.
Just something that you really would like to see change.
Do you see it as some kind of a racial reform
or is there some other change
that you would like to see being made?
- I mean, I would just like to just carry out sentences
in the first place.
I mean, just actually do justice
'cause I feel like there's no justice across the board
or, you know, proper justice.
- So just enforce the laws that are already on the books.
Is that what you mean by that?
- Yeah, pretty much.
I mean, like they say,
they're gonna put somebody to death,
actually put them to death.
- That would be a great thing to do.
Just to keep your word, right?
- Exactly.
If I'm not mistaken, I think it's one of the first,
maybe the fifth amendment or, you know,
a speedy trial, right?
I mean, most trials,
I mean, they take years on end just to get a sentence.
So, I mean, that'll be good just to follow that.
- Yeah, I mean, I think the Derek Chauvin trial
was like over a year from the actual incident.
And I mean, that's a lot of time.
And I mean, it was a pretty high profile case,
but it seems like a lot of cases are years even.
And, you know,
but I guess when black people can't use the internet,
like Joe Biden said,
then, you know, it makes it really difficult.
- I have what he was convicted of.
- Yeah, what was the?
- So he was convicted of second degree,
this is Derek Chauvin,
the guy who put the knee on George Floyd,
second degree unintentional murder,
third degree murder,
and second degree manslaughter
is what he was convicted of.
- So like second and third and then some other charges.
- Right. - Wow.
Well, here's the thing that I find amusing
is that the people that are championing this CRT
and, you know, believing that our entire government
is just so racist.
They seem to be the most racist people on the planet.
In fact, some of the things that Joe Biden say,
you know, it really ekes out his kind of hatred
and despite towards black people.
But there's a pretty amusing clip that I found.
I wanna see if we can get Tim to pull this up for us.
It's clip A, clip number A that I have.
It was a YouTube video.
It's really short, but you know,
Joe Biden has a particular persona
of what black people are like.
We already played our game of what black people are like.
You know, they like watermelon.
They like fried chicken.
You know, they have different car interests.
You know, they like the civic.
I really surprised me.
But let's see what Joe Biden thinks of black people.
Go ahead and play this.
- People don't know how to register.
Not everybody in the community,
the Hispanic and the African-American community,
particularly in rural areas that are distant
and/or inner city districts know how to use,
know how to get online to determine how to get in line
for that COVID vaccine.
- So back when they were talking about COVID vaccine
mandates, Joe Biden was trying to say that black people
don't know how to get online in order to figure out
where they can go to get their COVID vaccine.
And so some black guy made a video of himself
trying to figure out how to use the internet.
It's cool how he could make a video and put it on the
internet of how he couldn't get on the internet.
- Maybe a white person was filming.
- I don't know who that is, but he deserves subs, okay,
to his channel, 'cause that was legit.
- Yeah, I'm not sure who that is either.
- Is that how it is?
Is that your perception, Mercer?
When you meet black people, do you find that they
don't know how to use the internet or social media?
- I mean, that was the furthest thing I've ever thought,
but I should've called Ben to come start my computer
up for me, you know?
(laughs)
- If I walked into a room, and you know,
it's a diverse group.
It's a white guy, a black guy, an Asian guy, Hispanic guy,
you know, we got all creeds, red, yellow, black, and white.
They're all precious in a site.
They're all standing there, and I say,
all right, I need all of y'all to go to my website,
but you black guys come over here,
I'll show you what the internet is.
Would you feel like that was racist?
- What the heck are you talking about?
- I mean, how can these guys get away with saying
that our entire government is racist?
Republicans just hate black people and white,
everyone that's white doesn't even realize
how racist they are, and then they get up
and literally say that black people
can't even use the internet.
I mean, what could be more racist?
There's other funny clips, Joe Biden said
that black kids are just as smart as,
what, do you remember, it's like black kids
are just as smart as white kids?
- Something like that, I don't remember.
- White kids are just, black kids are just
as smart as poor kids, what?
- Let me find it.
- White kids are just as smart as poor kids, okay.
We'll have to look that one up.
- Poor kids are just as bright, let me see,
poor kids are just as bright as white kids.
- That's what it is, okay.
It's poor kids are just as bright as white kids.
Sorry for all the tongue twisters there.
I mean, so what's the implication?
The implication is that people that are poor are not white.
- Not white.
- I mean, I've never even met a white person that's poor.
Have you ever met a white person?
- Never one time.
- Yeah.
- Bernie Sanders said that white people don't know
what it's like to be poor.
That's a famous quote from Bernie Sanders.
- That was a pretty good impression, I have to admit.
- Thanks.
- Poor kids are just as poor as white kids.
I mean, look, the racism just ekes out of these guys' mouths
and it's pretty sad.
Now, I had another clip that I wanted to show.
Go to clip number B, it's a CNN clip.
And I wanna go to the five minute, 25 second mark here.
And CNN's really a reliable source of information.
They only report on the truth.
I think their top reporter,
his show's called Reliable Sources, Brian Stelter.
And he would never distort the truth.
But there is a clip, they kinda sent a reporter out
to find out what people think about critical race theory.
And they're asking him certain questions.
And she's basically just asking random people
what they think about CRT or what it means.
But before we play this clip,
I wanna say that I've watched several videos
on different people that are experts
telling us what CRT is.
And they all seem to have a pretty different view.
They all kind of seem to bend it to their liking.
So I don't believe that there's just a one
shoe fits all definition for this particular phrasing,
word, model, or how people use it.
But that's certainly what they want to try and shape
in this documentary.
But what I really want to do, though,
is I want to show you how a propaganda works.
Because CNN is a propaganda network, OK?
It's the Communist News Network, as I've always
heard it referred to.
But let's play about a minute of this clip.
And then I want to kind of address something
that they bring up.
It is critical race theory.
Critical race theory is the idea that's
taught to our nation's youth that the way that you're born
contributes to the amount of success
that you can achieve in this country.
Basically states that white people are born with everything.
And if you're not white, you're born with nothing.
Can you name any critical race theory scholars?
Probably not.
Can you name any critical race theory concepts?
I don't know what the concepts are.
I think I summarized critical race theory
as a whole pretty well.
To paint the country as a inherently racist country
from its founding, I think it's dangerous.
The 3/5 compromise is written into the Constitution
in which slaves are counted as 3/5 of a person.
Of course, and that was applied at an earlier time.
That's not the case now, obviously.
Well, you just mentioned the founding of the country, so.
Well, yeah, it wasn't perfectly written in the Constitution.
When did you first hear about critical race theory?
Sometime around last year.
Where'd you see it?
I'm on Fox News.
The idea that you can succeed based on your race is ludicrous.
This is not the 1960s anymore.
Just because of your skin color does not mean that you cannot be successful here
in America, point blank, period.
I teach these books for my anthropology class.
Are you teaching white kids to--
So she pulls three individuals out, and she's trying to make them look bad,
that they don't really understand what CRT is,
that Fox News is misleading them and trying to malign CRT teachers.
What's kind of funny about that clip, too, is it does the same thing,
where they start the clip by saying, "No one's teaching CRT.
It's not happening. This is not happening in the schools."
And then that last lady she was talking to is like,
"Yeah, I teach CRT to our students, blah, blah, blah."
It was just like, "Okay, well, that just spells that right away."
But if you go to article letter C, Brother Tim,
I wanna pull up the Constitution
because she brought up the three-fifths compromise.
And what's funny is she does the same thing
that Joe Biden does by saying that poor kids
are just as smart as white kids.
She brings up the fact that in the US Constitution,
there was a particular clause given that slaves
would be counted as three-fifths a person.
But here's what she didn't say.
She didn't say that black people count as three-fifths of a person.
She said that slaves count as three-fifths of a person.
And what she did is she decided that every slave is always
a black person, or that it's somehow denoted on race only.
Basically, she's the racist.
Basically, she's the one that sees race with particular words
and brings it up there.
Because this three-fifths doesn't bring that up whatsoever.
Now, let's read a little bit of this.
"As representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which
may be included within this union, according to respective numbers, which shall be determined
by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term
of years and excluding Indians not taxed, three-fifths of all other persons.
The actual enumeration shall be made within three years after the first meeting of the
Congress of the United States and within every subsequent term of 10 years in such manner
as they shall by law direct.
And then it kind of goes on to kind of explains the different states.
But where did it say black people?
In fact, the only race that's even mentioned or group of people would be Indians.
But the reason why Indians are brought up is because Indians weren't really assimilated
into the culture.
They weren't really part of the United States, yet they still would live on the territory
or be in that region.
So they're just being excluded from the fact that they count in the census, quote unquote.
So there's two aspects of that.
One is that they get counted in regards to representation, meaning that they count for
voting, they count in the number of representatives that state gets to send forth for elected
positions.
And then secondly, how much they're going to tax the people in the area.
And they're just simply saying that we don't really view the slave population as being
a good number for what's going to be represented in Congress or whatever.
So they only gave them about three fifths of the portion.
Now whether that's right or wrong, you know, that's how they decided.
I don't really care.
But to say that that's racist, really, there's nothing racist about it doesn't say anything
about race.
Did you see race there, Brother Ben?
No, I mean, there were no races brought up whatsoever.
She was just ascertaining that because the word slave is used, but that automatically
meant that it was referring to black people.
And I think it's it's kind of this piety of the left and people who are race obsessed
is they almost look down at minority I'm talking about white, Appletini sipping limousine liberals
look down at minority populations, whether they're Hispanic, black, you name it, they
pat them on the head and patronize them and talk down to them they're very condescending
I would be very offended if I was a black person with the way that the left the messaging
that they choose to use the way the left communicates with them and I think it was evident with
that Joe Biden clip we played earlier where he you know was trying to say that black people
are too unintelligent to use a computer yeah I mean his quotes about Barack Obama are things
like he's like the first well articulated black man that he's ever seen or something
like that I mean it I like this point that you brought up it's almost like they look
at all black people or minorities as just inherently flawed and they can't succeed
they're just not succeeding they're all poor and stupid and they can't succeed in
life and that there's there's some reason why it's being that's being caused rather
than noticing that there's plenty of successful black people there's plenty of you know well
articulated well educated you know productive members of society that are of all colors
and it's you know it's not like every race is black or white either there's obviously
all kinds of other groups like Asians and Hispanics and everything like that but I want
to pull up an article and I want to get Marcel's thoughts here for a moment but when you went
to school brother Marcel when you're being educated because you went to public school
is that correct correct okay and you graduated from high school is that correct correct okay
so you took I'm assuming US history or classes about the United States history is that is
that true yes sir okay and just and you're just remembering okay doesn't have to be perfect
did you ever hear about white people being slaves in public school no what's ironic was
I was just going to bring that up I've never heard about that in public schools it was
always taught that black people were the slaves but you actually do your own research outside
of the public school system you'll find out that one of the first slaves you know one
of the first slave was a white man and one of the first slave owners was a black man
so I mean that's not something they teach in the public schools I had to learn on inside
now brother Tim I want you to pull up an article for me article C and it's kind of an interesting
article that I was looking at and I don't want to downplay the fact that lots and lots
of black people are obviously shipped to America and a lot of them are forced into slavery
but it's interesting how we completely ignore the fact that that's not the only people that
were enslaved from a historical perspective this article which I found pretty interesting
I'll just read just kind of the first few lines here but it says slavery in America
typically associated with blacks from Africa was an enterprise that began with the shipping
of more than 300,000 white Britons to the colonies that's a lot of people I mean we're
not talking about like you know obviously you could say oh there was one white guy and
there's millions of black people then you know but we can make it a black issue but
for it to be 300,000 white Britons being brought in that's a pretty sizable number and in
fact this article even goes on to say a little bit further down it says these white slaves
in the New World consisted of street children plucked from London's back alleys prostitutes
and impoverished migrants searching for a brighter future and willing to sign up for
indentured servitude. Convicts were also persuaded to avoid lengthy sentences and executions
on their home soil by enslavement in the British colonies. The much maligned Irish viewed
as savages worthy of ethnic cleansing and despised for the rejection of Protestantism
also made up a portion of America's first slave population as did Quakers, Cavaliers,
Puritans, Jesuits, and others. And this is another thing that's interesting, you know,
that a lot of people that were put as slaves were heretics. Like the heretics were the
people that were put as slaves initially and viewed very derogatory. The Catholic Church
had done similar things in, you know, the dark ages and through some of their crusades,
the horrible atrocities that they would do to people that simply didn't, you know, follow
their religion. And really, racism or prejudice or slavery, all these things, it's not just
a white people hate black people issue. You know, that's really just so far from reality
or truth. And I, I want to play one more clip and then I want to get you guys thoughts.
There is a YouTube video here. It's, it's clip letter C and it's a play around seven,
27 minutes, 45 seconds. There's some other facts about black slaves specifically in American
history that this one lady brings up. That's from this article. I'm going to highly recommend
you check out that article. It's the Rayfield.com. But if we can get that YouTube video pulled
up here, you're perfect. Let's play about, you know, 30 seconds of this, this clip here.
Abundant proof found in various court records and legislative petitions. According to historian
R Halliburton Jr, there were approximately 320, it'll say 319, 599 free blacks in the
United States, 1830. Okay. This is 35 years before slavery was abolished, right? Yet at
the same time, there were 3,775 free blacks who owned 12,740 black slaves.
So she brings up some of the history. She says, and give you context, we're fast forwarding
from the 1600s, which that one article brought up, oh, the horrible atrocities of 1600s and
they skipped to 2020 America. In the 1600s, we had over 300,000 white slaves. We fast
forward to the 1830s, which she's bringing up the fact that this is 30 years before Abraham
Lincoln, the Civil War, before we have essentially what's considered, you know, the civil rights
initial movement or the initial push to free black people, where we see 320,000 black people
are already free. But then of those freed, she brings up the fact that 3,200 or 3,500,
3,000 of those men that are free that are black own black slaves themselves. Up to 12,000
black slaves are owned by other black people. And yet we have legislators, we have senators,
we have governors, we have House representatives saying that we need to pay black people in
this country the reparations that they deserve from their ancestors being black. How does
that work? How do we know that those black people weren't the black people owning the
other black people? How do we know that the black people weren't owning the white people?
Do we need to pay reparations to the Irish? What if you find out that on your mom's side
you owned your dad's side? Do you have to pay reparations to yourself? How does this
even work? It's really just nonsense, and it's just a way to destroy our economy by
increasing inflation is what my opinion is. I think it's also an attempt at virtue signaling,
and this is something that narcissists are very concerned with, is their self-image and
their reputation. And I think leftist ideology is, and you don't talk about inherent racism,
I think it's inherently narcissistic. And so they want a virtue signal about how anti-racist
they are and how loving and tolerant they are toward minority groups by advocating for
offering them free gifts and money to make up for slavery, which as you just pointed
out, if you look at the facts, if you look at history, there were white slaves, there
were black slave owners, there were black slave owners owning other black slave owners.
But regardless of that, you know, the Bible doesn't teach that we have to pay for the
sins of our forefathers.
And so if I did have ancestors who were racist or who owned black people, I don't advocate
for that today.
I think that's horrible.
I think it's horrifying.
I would never want that to be a part of any society.
And that ought to be enough.
You know, we ought to allow people to repent and to get things right in this area.
But when it comes to CRT and advocates of this theory and those who are race-obsessed,
there is no forgiveness.
That's why apologizing to the woke mob never yields any sort of forgiveness whatsoever,
and you should never do it.
Well, you know, like you said, the Bible says in Ezekiel 18-19, "Yet, say ye, why, doth
not the Son bear the iniquity of the Father, when the Son hath done that which is lawful
and right, and hath kept all my statutes and hath done them, he shall surely live."
So God makes it clear that the Son should not bear the sins of his Father when he's
doing that which is right, when he's cleaned up his act, and you know, I really just don't
even know how true it is, but I'm interested.
Brother Marcel, you obviously, you know, probably have some ancestors that were, you know, black,
okay.
Have you had any parents or grandparents or anybody tell you of an actual real life experience
when they were a slave?
I'm just genuinely interested.
No, I have no stories of that at all.
So my relatives, they derived from the Dominican Republic.
So you know, the history of that was blacks and Spaniards, and they're all mixed together,
you know, but I'm pretty sure they were slaves, you know, at that time as well, but I don't
have no stories that I could tell, but I don't even know anybody that I associate with.
So you're a black guy, and your roots aren't even from America?
No.
So, how about this?
So we're going to give money to black people in America that weren't even, their roots
aren't even from America, but we're going to give them money for the slavery that happened
in America.
Doesn't that make sense, Ben?
Oh, that makes perfect sense.
You can see the logic, it shines through, but it's an attempt at virtue signaling.
I mean, I guess, you know, why wouldn't people from Jamaica or Kenya or any of these other
countries move to America so that they can get reparations for the sins of white people
against other black people that they don't even know that they never even met?
I mean, doesn't that make perfect sense?
No, it makes absolutely no sense.
And what about this in Ezekiel 18?
Doesn't it also say, "The soul that sinneth, it shall die"?
So there's the individual, my point is for bringing that up, there's the individual
responsibility, right?
And that also flies in the face of the concept of reparations.
We have responsibility over our own actions, over the sins that we commit, over the transgressions
that we fall into ourselves, and shouldn't be held accountable for something that happened
hundreds of years ago that we don't even believe right now.
In fact, you know, I would venture to say 99.99999999% of white people repudiate slavery
in 2022.
Well, and from a biblical perspective, if we actually found someone who was selling
men into slavery, selling women into slavery, what would the biblical punishment be?
Well, in Exodus 21 16, the Bible says, and he that steal of a man and sell of him, or
he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
If we're actually going to end slavery, why aren't we just putting these people to death?
I mean, that's what the Bible actually says.
And that's, that's how I feel.
Instead of doing reparations, why don't we just kill the cell, the sellers of slaves?
And how about those sex traffickers?
How about, why aren't we so concerned with them?
Yeah, I think in Revelation 18, when it describes what it uses that word "slave" with regard
to the destruction of Babylon, I think you could apply that to what you just mentioned,
the horrifying nature of that kind of slavery.
And we ought to put those people to death.
Ultimately you're going to have a biblical solution to this issue, which is the law of
God.
But isn't it funny, Pastor Shelley, that as we appeal to the Bible in order to advance
this conversation tonight, some people would point to the Bible and say, "Well, that promotes
slavery."
Well, you know, there's preachers that have fallen victim to this CRT crap is what I would
call it.
You know, David Platt, who used to be the president of the International Missions Board
for the Southern Baptist Convention, he has a large church in the "Bible Belt."
I think it's Alabama.
You have to look that up, but he had a pretty large church, yet he's kind of fallen victim
to the CRT saying that they're all racist and that they don't even realize it.
And I think he mentioned that the next pastor he's going to ordain, he's just going to
ordain, the guy has to be black, basically.
He's like, it's not going to be based on who's the most, you know, based on merit or who
deserves it the most, but rather just, we've just overlooked all these black people and
not given them opportunities, so we just need to put a black guy in charge because that's
the right thing to do.
But to me, how is that not racist?
How is it not racist to say for, you know, Joe Biden to say the next Supreme Court justice
is going to be a black woman?
That's also sexist.
You know, the guy's like a feminine, what's it called, a feminist, the feminist version
of misogyny.
I can't remember.
I can't.
A misandry.
Yeah.
Misandrist or something like that.
Misandrist or whatever, but why are we just deciding what people are going to do based
on their color of their skin?
You know, I think the Bible clearly teaches that there is no race.
I can't find that in my Bible.
I've never seen that in my Bible.
You know, we're all one blood, according to the Bible, and the Bible says very clearly
that God's not a respecter of persons.
He doesn't care about someone's height, their skin color, their hair color.
He looks on the inward man, and you know, whenever I decide to put someone in leadership,
I think it's best to figure out if they're filled with the Spirit of God rather than
what color skin they are.
In fact, whenever I came into Steadfast, and you guys can appreciate this, you guys can
be witnesses for this, but when I was coming into Steadfast, I was going to be in charge
of a church plant in Jacksonville, Florida, and frankly speaking, I didn't really know
anybody over there very well at all, but I felt like they needed leadership right away,
and I was throwing out their old leadership, who was just a complete loser, and because
he was being tossed aside for just, you know, probably stealing money and being a heretic
and being a loser, I needed to put someone in charge, so I basically just asked everyone
in the church, I said, "Hey, just rate everybody in the church, give me your top three guys,
just put the names down, you just can't put your own name," and I asked several different
men that were kind of respecting the church and just said, "Hey, give me a name."
They gave me the name and I put the guy in charge, and I'll be honest, I didn't get
any screenshots, I didn't get any snap pics, I didn't know what color skin this guy was,
and by the name, you probably could have guessed, but it doesn't really matter to me what color
skin someone is, and it's not a white or black issue because how do you even determine what's
a black person?
I think that Marcel's black, he doesn't even think he's black, so how do we even decide
what's a black person or what's a white person?
And we seem to forget about Asians.
And I have one more clip I kind of want to get to and then we'll kind of get some more
Bible here from you guys to kind of finish the show.
But go if you can go to clip letter D. I noticed some of the commenters in here are haters
because they're like, "Oh, Pastor Shalisa, number A," or numbers, it's like, give me
a break, okay?
Well, you fixed it though, so it's okay.
Letter A. It's always, you always, that's the part of the show, it's like we didn't
listen to anything but we heard number A. Yeah, I mean that was the most important part.
Let's see if we can get this one more clip here and I apologize for not getting a time
stamp for you brother Tim, we might need to skip around on this for a second.
I think it's the whole clip though, is it the Fox News?
Well, it's four minutes, I don't think we really want to play all four minutes of this.
Yeah, we could find.
Let's just go to about 45 seconds and then I'll tell you when we can stop.
People cast system, whites on the top, blacks on the bottom, but they have no idea what
to do with Asian Americans because Asian Americans are a minority, you know, they have been discriminated
against in this country and yet they succeed and they achieve.
And that, that I think inconveniences the critical race theory narrative today.
And that's why I wrote this book.
You make the argument that if America is systemically racist, as many proponents of critical race
theory believe, how is it that Asian Americans have flourished and in many cases overtaken
whites in terms of level of education and socioeconomic status?
So how is it?
How is it that Asian Americans flourish in this country?
It has to do with culture.
You know, Asian Americans study twice as many hours as the average American.
Today we always talk about the tiger mother.
You know, that was Amy Chua's famous book.
But it's not just tiger mother parenting.
It's also strong two parent family structures.
It's a strong value on education.
It's a love for hard work and for meritocracy.
And that's at stake with critical race theory because critical race theory is anti meritocratic.
It believes that merit is racist.
So if policies like Harvard's discrimination against Asian Americans are allowed, guess
who loses out?
Well, it's the hardworking Asian Americans that work so hard to get their spot.
Which brings me to my next point, because we now see the emergence, Harvard and other
places of attempts to limit Asian American enrollment in some of these prestigious educational
institutions.
That would appear to be the very definition of systemic racism.
To limit the number of people who can get in on a merit-based program in order to keep
up levels of enrollment of other people.
You know, I analyzed 90,000 pages of Harvard admissions data.
And stretching back for 30 years, Asian Americans have been kept at a cap at admissions between
15 and 18 percent of the student body.
That has only recently changed.
And you know, Harvard's own estimate said that if Asians were not discriminated against,
they would be 43 percent of the student body.
Now, people are saying, well, is that too many Asians?
Well, I say, I'm indignant at that claim.
I'm indignant at the claim that Asians are all the same kind of person, they're all
the same kind of faceless, test-taking robot with no personality.
We have to look past race in this country.
And I wrote this book, hopefully, to heal America and to bring Americans together in
service of meritocracy.
So I asked Vivek Rameswamy this question yesterday.
I found this clip really interesting.
Kenny Xu, he did a little study and he determined that, you know, it's kind of a projection
and estimate, but he projects that Asian Americans would be 43% of Harvard grad students or Harvard
students if there wasn't some kind of a cap on the Asian population, which even with the
cap, whether it's there or not, he's saying it's 15 to 18%, which is obviously way higher
than their demographic percentage in America.
So it's just a fact that the Asians are succeeding at a higher rate.
If America is just so racist against minority groups, how do Asians succeed?
And in fact, they out earn white people, according to many different statistics that you could
look up for yourself.
But Brother Marcel, do you have a response to that clip?
Yeah, I thought it was pretty fascinating the fact that there will be a lot more Asians
in Harvard if they didn't place a cap there.
So it seemed like they're kind of being racist to them too, you know?
Yeah.
Well, it's because they want to create this perfect pizza pie of every color.
And in order to do that, they have to limit the attendance of, for example, the Asian
community like he was talking about so that they don't overtake the other colors and
then your perfect pizza pie is ruined.
Again, it's just such a stupid idea.
It is so dumb.
It is completely ridiculous.
It is nonsensical.
It is counter to logic and see, this is the thing, a racist like an actual somebody who
actually hates other minority groups or just any race in general, somebody who hates another
race versus somebody who's obsessed with this issue and virtue signals about it like the
left.
They have one thing in common.
They are addicted to what?
The superficial characteristics.
They're addicted to what?
Skin color.
This is all they talk about.
That's what they focus on.
The carnal.
Well, and you know what's interesting to me about what Kenny Zhu is bringing up and here's
the thing.
I don't know if this guy's religious or Christian or Baptist or anything like that, but a lot
of the character attributes that he's describing giving success to Chinese families are things
found in the Bible.
The idea of mothers actually, you know, discipling their children, caring about their children.
He brings up the fact of studying and working hard.
You know, the Bible says, "Wisdom is the principal thing, therefore, get wisdom, and with all
thy getting, get understanding."
The Bible says, "Get wisdom, get understanding, forget it not, neither decline from the words
of my mouth."
The Bible says, "How much better is it to get wisdom than gold and to get understanding
rather than to be chosen than silver?"
So according to the Bible, we're supposed to elevate, you know, seeking after knowledge
and wisdom.
The Bible teaches the importance of working hard and being diligent, not being lazy, redeeming
the time.
And so obviously, those type of character attributes are going to be more blessed than
a culture that essentially glorifies criminal activity, a victim type mentality.
And I really get sick of even the Republicans and the whites complaining about CRT and complaining
about what the left's doing as if they're somehow a victim now.
They're talking about, "Oh, white people can't succeed now because of affirmative action
and CRT and blah, blah, blah."
And it's like now they're the victim.
I mean, are black people the victim because of slavery?
Are white people the victim of affirmative action and CRT?
The only people that don't seem to be claiming to be a victim are the Asians.
And I have to be honest.
I think if I were going to pick a group of people that are the most discriminated and
hated in our country, it's probably Asians.
And I think that his testimony proves it because I believe the ruling upper white class is
intimidated by the Asians and does not want them to overtake them in positions of political
power and the medical field and all these other institutions.
That's why they're limiting and capping how many Asians are coming into Harvard.
Because they need, you know, daddy wants his little son, who's stupid, to get into Harvard
and they don't have enough spots and they would let another Zhu or Jing or Chan or in
there or whatever.
And so they have to get their little boy into the little boys club or whatever and that
they're the actual racists and they're the ones that are really intimidated.
But instead of just playing the victim card, you know, I feel like we need to just embrace
Christianity because in Christ, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, you know, there's no free
or bond.
I mean, we're all one in Christ Jesus.
So you know, I really find racism just something that should just be laughed at and scorned
that we should celebrate differences, you know, who cares if black people like watermelon?
I like watermelon.
Oh, they like fried chicken.
I like fried chicken, you know, what's wrong with that?
Yeah.
And of those two things, I would agree with the fried chicken.
I'm not a watermelon fan, but at the end of the day, that's the Lebanese in me.
And who knows if that, you know, you'd probably eat crickets though.
Sound pretty good to me.
But here's, here's my point.
I'll be moving to Texas, I got some Texas brisket.
That's right.
Marcel, let me, let me throw this one over to you.
Let me throw this over to you because we're talking about the, you know, kind of the antidote
to all this, which is ultimately the Bible and biblical values.
But no, you're part of a local New Testament church.
And the thing with you, Marcel, is, you know, you and I were really close friends.
But when I look at you, I don't think black man, like I don't even, I forget what even
your color is, because you're just my brother in Christ.
And I feel the same way about the individual that Pastor Shelley had put in charge when
we were going to a church plant together in Jacksonville, who was black.
But it didn't even, like, register with me.
You know, when we're all together, serving God together at a local church, and going
out soul-winning, and reading our Bible, studying the Bible, talking about the Word
of God, and fellowshiping together, you're just my brother in Christ.
And I don't care.
I have more in common with someone who's an opposite race from me.
I have more in common with someone who's a black person, but that is saved than with
another white or Arab person that is not saved.
So what do you think about that, Marcelo?
Just that concept of the togetherness and the unity that we have as Bible-believing
Christians, regardless of what your physical attributes are?
Yeah, I agree.
You know, the Bible does emphasize to teach all nations the gospel, to preach the gospel
to every creature.
You know, it doesn't say to go preach the gospel to only white folks or only black folks,
you know, because like Pastor Shirley said earlier, what the Bible teaches, it says,
you know, God doesn't look on the outward appearance, but on the inward man.
I mean, there's a lot of times in the Bible when, you know, a man will look on the outward
appearance and it'd be wrong.
For example, you have Samuel, you know, he looked at David's eldest brother, and he
says, "Surely, you know, this is the man, you know, whom the Lord is going to choose."
And, you know, God says, "No, it's not him."
And he chose, you know, David, his youngest brother.
So well, but I just want to add to that, you know, you said that what is the antidote?
You know, is the Bible, you know, the Word of God is what teaches us how to be wise and
how to get wisdom and get understanding.
So that's what the Bible emphasizes to get wisdom.
It says, "Teaching them to observe all things."
But, you know, I wanted to add one thing to something that was said earlier.
You know, they want to kind of give finances and give money to, you know, to black folks,
you know, and I think that would be the worst thing that they could do because the Bible
says, you know, he that, you know, wealth got wealth gotten by vanity shall be diminished
that gathered by labor shall increase.
So what happens when you give people money, all you're doing is making them lazy.
And you know, when you don't have money, when you don't have all these riches, it makes
you strive for more.
You know, you want to have a better life, a better future, a better finances, you know,
it should give you that hunger, that desire, you know, the Bible harps on working, you
know, throughout the whole Bible, you know, the Bible says six days, shout out labor.
You know, so if you, if you're just giving people free money, you know, you're just making
a lazy society, a lazy society, which is the worst thing that could be for black folks,
you know, but the best thing that could be for any person will just be, you know, getting
saved, you know, uh, joining a local congregation, learning the word of God, reading the word
of God, being under good son, preaching from the Bible and growing the wisdom and the knowledge
and the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.
You know, that's, that's the true antidote that's gonna, you know, help anybody.
Yeah.
I mean, these handouts, I agree with you.
If you really think that black people are poor, the worst thing you can do is just give
them more free money, which is just gonna basically drive them quicker into the poor
house.
But obviously what they want to do is they want to buy voters.
They want to get them on the government dime, on the government tit, and basically just
have them suckling on the government as their only nourishment so as to continually vote
for these people to keep them in office.
And they don't realize that they're doing it to their own detriment.
These handouts, though, are everywhere.
I've even seen that there's this new tour.
It's like a golf tour.
It's not the PGA tour, but it's like a separate tour just for minorities and black golfers.
And they basically just let them play.
They're not really as good at golf or anything like that, but they're just helping them
out and they're claiming black people don't have the same opportunities.
And I find it hilarious because the greatest golfer in the modern era is Tiger Woods.
No one can even think of another golfer typically than Tiger Woods, and he's black.
It's like how is the greatest golfer to ever play, arguably, especially in the modern era,
a black guy, and then we have to have a special tour just for black people?
And he doesn't feel as welcome or something.
But even when it's a black guy that's hanging out with a bunch of white dudes, I don't feel
like they seem like they're out of place or awkward.
And at Fast Baptist Church, I feel like our demographics are pretty diverse.
I mean, they're probably pretty representative of America, you know, mostly white, a lot
of Hispanic, you know, a proportion of it is black and then we have Asian.
I mean, we have kind of a normal demographic, affirmative action, even if we were trying,
I guess.
But obviously, some people prefer to only go to a church where everybody looks the same
as them.
And, you know, Brother Marcel, you come to a church that's more white people than black
people.
It's not even close.
Have you ever even felt like, you know, there's like people think there's something different
or you feel like you're mistreated or you can't make friends or what would you say about,
you know, church decisions when it comes to, you know, if everybody's white or black or
Asian or what are your thoughts there?
I mean, I feel like we all have the same opportunities given us, you know, anybody could serve in
the church in any to any capacity that you want to.
Ever since I moved here, I mean, I've been welcomed with open arms.
Everybody received me, my family, they've been very hospitable towards us and invited
us over for dinner on multiple occasions.
And even our church in Jacksonville, I mean, that church was predominantly, you know, black
people, you know, and a couple of white folks, you know, and it was the same atmosphere because
the Bible tells us to love your neighbor as yourself, to love your brother.
You know, Jesus said to love your brother as I have loved you.
So that's pretty much the atmosphere.
I wanted to add another thing to what you said about, you know, the government want
to kind of give out handouts to get votes.
It's true because if you look at like the New Deal, you know, they kind of started,
they implemented the welfare system, you know, because the Republic, the blacks, they mostly
voted for the Republicans for centuries, for years, because obviously the abolition of
slavery with Abraham Lincoln.
So most black people, you know, voted for Republicans until the New Deal came out, you
know, in the 1900s, and that's when they started giving, you know, welfare to the,
to the minorities.
And therefore the minority, the blacks and the Latino, they started to vote for the Democrats
because they would just get a free handouts.
So just a political scheme to get more votes and kind of just keep the minority in their,
in their crutches.
Well, obviously, what's important is spiritual things.
And what CRT does not do is address anything spiritual.
It's a complete just made up carnal fight that really has no bearing on New Testament
Christianity.
I find it completely absurd that Baptists would be bringing this junk into their church,
like David Platt or even other liberal preachers and teachers.
And we haven't here, you know, at a Baptist church, we don't want that junk.
We want to, you know, dispel that type of culture.
And I don't even like the fact that they try to get us on eggshells.
Like that we can't say words like black.
Like if I just say, hey, that's a black guy or this is a Hispanic guy or he likes watermelon
or I like fried chicken.
You know, I don't want to get to a culture or society where we can't make these jokes
anymore.
Where, you know, I don't even have a problem with black face or white face or whatever.
I mean, look, they have black face.
Well, there's those two guys that made the white chicks movie and they dress up like
white girls or something bizarre.
I don't care.
It's all fun.
You know, why can't we just celebrate our differences and enjoy differences and bring
back the laughter and, you know, basically just have fun?
Well, it's because the devil just wants us all hate each other and he just wants to kill
us all.
And he hates everyone.
He hates white, black, you know, every single color, Asian, Hispanic.
And we really need to resist that with the gospel, with the messages of love that come
from God's Word, and look at the world through a Baptist bias, not a CRT bias.
Yeah.
This is a spiritual issue, ultimately.
Anybody who has a problem with you because of your skin color, it's because they're
just overly carnal.
And instead of smearing them and hating them and writing them off as deplorables of society,
we need to get them saved if they're not already, bring them into church, and teach them the
Word of God.
And that's how they'll change, not by shaming, guilting, all the rest of it that you're seeing
right now courtesy of these Marxist brainwashing things that we're seeing like CRT and all
the rest of it, these theories that are actually totally false.
And another thing too that is a phenomenon is this idea that a lot of the inner city
communities that left us, again, they want to pat them on the head and they want to just
kind of patronize them and claim that they're helping them when they're actually making
it worse.
Here's something from the Daily Mail, and this is unbelievable, "Bind an administration
to fund programs that hand out crack pipes to prevent infection and promote racial equity."
Racial equity as a result of hanging out crack pipes.
So this is the leftist antidote.
This is how they want to help the inner city communities.
Give them crack pipes, give them rap music, give them more of a degenerate culture, whereas
the true resolution to all this is right here, the Word of God.
Go into these communities and preach them the gospel.
That's what will actually solve the problem.
And guess what happens then?
They become victorious.
The Bible says in 1 Corinthians chapter 15 verse 57, "But thanks be to God, which giveth
us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."
When I see my brother in Christ there, Brother Marcel, I don't see a victim.
I see someone who's victorious.
When I see anybody who's believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, whether they're white, black,
green, yellow, or blue, I see someone who is victorious.
Because if you've gotten saved, you have won the victory.
You are victorious.
And this victim mentality that's associated with CRT, looking at people of a specific
skin color and automatically viewing them as a victim, as someone who is oppressed, has
no place with regard to biblical Christianity.
It is anti-Bible.
It is not taught in scripture.
We are victorious once we've believed on Christ.
Well, that was a great ending.
I really appreciate Brother Marcel for coming.
Yeah.
Give us your last thoughts here.
We appreciate you coming on as a guest, and go ahead and give us some closing thoughts
here, Brother Marcel.
Yes, sir.
I just want to say thank you guys for having me on.
One thing I would say is this, let's say CRT was correct, let's say we did live in a nation
that was fully against Black people, or whatever the case may be, in God's eyes, he doesn't
see us as a Black person, he doesn't see us as a white person, he sees us as an individual,
as a soul, as a person that he loves for and cares for.
And the Bible says, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish."
So because God loves all of us, he gives all of us the choice to get saved by trusting
in his Son Jesus Christ.
And you know, let's say you feel like you are oppressed, you know, if you get saved
and you believe in Jesus Christ, you know, we all have the same playing field.
You know, in a verse of a scripture that can be comforting, it says, "For the Son of man
shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he shall reward every
man according to his work," to his works.
So you know, the work that you do here on this earth for God, whether you're white,
whether you're black, Asian, doesn't matter, God is going to reward you according to your
work.
So if you serve God now on this earth, if you work for the Lord, he's going to reward
you.
He's going to pay you for the things you've done for him on this earth.
So you know, if you feel like you are oppressed, you know, just know that when you get to heaven,
when you get to meet Jesus Christ, you know, he's going to pay for everything you've done.
So just keep that as an encouragement, something to think about.
Amen.
Thanks so much for coming on and joining us, Brother Marcel.
And I concur with you guys.
This is a spiritual fight and the greatest thing you can do is preach the gospel.
You know, with Joe Biden's plan, Pillar and Ground said it's actually called the Hunter
Biden Equity Program.
Appropriate title.
But that's going to do it for us this evening.
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Folks, we're not white supremacists, we're Christ supremacists.
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