Hi everyone and welcome to this special livestream tonight. The Baptist Bias is here. I'm holding
it down at the Baptist Bias studios and I'll be throwing it over in just a few moments
to Pastor Jonathan Shelley. But before I do, I want to say something real quickly here
for the audience to understand that every once in a while, you have to get your hands
dirty, you have to fight, you have to get involved in the battle. And the Bible commands
us to fight the good fight of faith. The Bible commands us to contend for the faith and make
no mistake about it. This isn't just a personal beef. There's doctrine hanging in the balance.
There's actual doctrine to fight for regarding marriage, regarding the authority of parents
and the authority of the husband and more that we are fighting about. And so I want
you to keep that in mind as you listen tonight and as we fight for the truth. I also want
to say that I 100% stand with Pastor Anderson, Pastor Shelley, and others who've been maligned
over the last year in what I believe is a total satanic attack. And tonight, you're
gonna get to hear from Pastor Shelley and Pastor Anderson as they respond to Pastor
Roger Jimenez and what he has said and what he preached last night. We're not gonna waste
any more time. I want to throw it over to Pastor Shelley. Pastor, thank you for putting
this on. It's good to see you. How are you doing tonight?
>> Doing great. I'm just calling in, so it's a little bit different setup, but I'm glad
that you're there to hold it in the fort. I did put an open invitation to Pastor Anderson
and Pastor Menes to come on the show if they wanted to talk about what's been going on,
their sermon. I did want to watch the sermon this evening that Pastor Menes had recently
preached and just kind of talk about it. So that's going to be happening. We may even
listen to some of my sermon that pretty dangerous. So we're not sure exactly what's going to
happen, but I do want to say that while we're contending for the faith and all these different
things, I don't necessarily consider Pastor Menes as my enemy, even though he's been saying
some things pretty negative about me. It's kind of a weird world that we live in because
I've always been friends with Pastor Menes for the longest time. I've always liked him.
Every time he's come to preach for me, I've always enjoyed his preaching. I've never thought
anything negative about the sermons that he came and preached for us for. He's been a
big friend to us as a church. There was a point where we were trying to acquire a building
and I kind of had a short list of people that we needed to borrow some serious money from.
And Pastor Menes and Verde Baptist Church stepped in a big way and gave us like $100,000
temporarily so that we could just kind of float the money until we could get in turn
a new building. So that was a huge help. Definitely a great friend to do something like that.
But obviously as of late, he's totally said he doesn't want anything to do with the new
IFB. He doesn't want anything to do with me. He said a lot of negative things about me recently.
And so I feel like it would be important to just address these things. I think people want us to
address things and talk about them and know what the truth is. You know, and I try to be open
pretty honest about what's going on, how I feel, you know, especially with my friends,
people that I consider my friends, people I look up to. So, you know, again, Pastor is would have
is still welcome to join the show if you wanted. I think we sent him an email, and I don't think
he's going to. And I understand based on what he said, why probably not. But at the end of the day,
I did also invite Pastor Anderson onto the show. I do want to go through the sermon and just kind
of allow anybody to say whatever they want. So again, this show's not censored. We're not
trying to figure out what's politically correct. You know, I don't have to agree with my guess
is every single opinion. So Pastor Anderson, thanks for coming on the show. Any thoughts
you want to say before we kind of start watching the sermon? I'm hearing him. I don't know if this
is- We're having audio issues. There's no audio coming from him. I'll make sure if you got to
unmute your mic or something. Sometimes we've got a weird issue there. Go ahead, try again.
All right. Can you hear me now? We got you. We're good. Sorry. Go ahead. All right. So yeah,
I just really appreciate you having me on. Last night's sermon was definitely a level 10 crash
out by pretty much any definition. And you know, I think the sermon was evil and disgusting. And
you know, I'm glad that you guys are going to go through it and play it for everybody.
And so yeah, thanks for having me on. Yep. And of course, you know, I don't know that me and
Pastor Anderson would disagree, perhaps. But obviously, if we did, we can. He can say
whatever he wants. Ben can say whatever he wants. Obviously, I think it's good that you know, no
matter how we feel that we keep things to facts, and we don't do what the other side does of just
name calling and bring up railing accusations and random stuff. But you know, I've watched some of
Pastor Anderson's recent videos, where he's addressed some of the things that have happened.
And what I didn't see is a bunch of name calling, a bunch of disrespect being thrown around,
pretty much just trying to stick to the facts. And here's one thing I did notice. Pastor Anderson
offered a road of recovery. He said that if Pastor Jimenez was willing to repent and say sorry and
do these things, he would have to forgive him and he would, you know, be friendly towards him back.
And what I've heard from the other side is no road recovery, no options. I want nothing to do
with you. And I don't see how that's a Christian attitude. I believe a Christian attitude. You know,
the Bible says if your brother forgive you, you're supposed to repent, I'm sorry, and ask
forgiveness, you're supposed to forgive him. Seven times 70. And I just don't understand why
people would offer no road to recovery when they're supposedly friends. But I do want to
go ahead and just get into the sermon. I'm sure we've got 360 people in. We're going to take some
time to get through the sermon, but we will take some calls. So if you do call in, just be patient.
But we might get some calls and we'll take whatever question you want. Obviously, we're not a show.
We're trying to hide stuff. We love being open and out front. I don't think the sermon was
entirely too long. I think it was 30 minutes or something. It got cut off. There was some kind of
technical issue, I'm guessing. And so the full sermon was not uploaded anywhere. We don't know.
I don't know why it's cut off. I don't know if it's because he didn't want that stuff to go public
or was it a technical glitch. But we're just working with what we got. I think it was about
30 minutes or something like that. We're going to go ahead and just play the whole sermon. We'll
stop it here and there and maybe address some of the things. If you want to stop it, just say
something and we'll stop it. Otherwise we're just going to kind of let it roll. So let's go ahead
and it looks like we got it set up. Let's go ahead and start watching it.
If you want to call in 231 Baptist, 231 Baptist.
We've been studying the book of First Kings, but we're going to take a break from that.
I'm going to deal with a different subject tonight. I'd like you to keep your place there in Second
Chronicles chapter 18. That's going to be our text for tonight. But I would like you to turn with me,
if you wouldn't mind, to the book of Proverbs, just real quickly. Proverbs chapter number 26.
Can you make him louder? I know it might not be possible. It was kind of a quiet sermon.
If you don't mind, I'd like you to put a ribbon or a bookmark or something there in Proverbs,
because we're going to leave it and we're going to come back to it throughout the sermon. So I'd
like for you to get to it quickly. Proverbs chapter 26. Tonight I'm preaching a very specific sermon
and I'm preaching on the subject of when people attack you to distract from themselves.
When people attack you to distract from themselves. And I'll just go ahead and tell you up front. Yes,
I am preaching against Pastor Anderson and I am preaching against him by name.
In Proverbs chapter 26, in verse number four, the Bible says this, "Answer not a fool according to
his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." Here we have a verse that tells us that there is times
where we should not answer, not respond, answer not, the Bible says, a fool according to his folly,
lest thou also be like unto him. What's interesting to me about Proverbs 26 is that in the very next
verse, verse 5, you have this verse, "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in
his own conceit." And what I think is interesting is that God, of course, the Holy Spirit, put these
two verses just right next to each other to make a point. And I think that if these verses would
have been put in different chapters, then maybe people would make this argument that this is a
contradiction in the Bible, because here you have one verse that says, "Answer not a fool according
to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." And then you have another verse that says the
exact opposite, "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit." So you
have these two verses that are kind of contradicting each other is what it seems like. But then God
puts them just right next to each other, verse four, verse five, and I think he does that to
make a point that there is a time. And I think that initially, at first, the best thing to do
is to "answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." But then God
says, "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit." And I believe the
Bible is teaching here that there comes a point where you have to speak up, and you have to answer
some things, and you have to deal with some things. And look, I realize that our church, you know,
is, they're not, most of the people in our church, I think a lot of the people in our church are not
on social media, and I'm not on social media, and these things don't affect you. And I praise God
for that. So some of you may just not be aware of some of these things. Hey, can I just jump in and
say something here? Go for it. Please, please go. You want to pause here? You know, most of our
church isn't on social media. I'm not on social media. I just want to start out by saying bullcrap
statement, like acting like his family and his church and his people aren't on social media,
because his ears that he's going to harp on throughout the sermon, like 50 times,
the appropriate wicked ungodly images that he's going to talk about. Those were actually first,
I didn't even know about them until his kid, Pastor Jimenez's kid, sent it to my kid.
And I don't know why anyone would think that I would want my kids getting those kind of images
sent to them, you know, and oh, we're not on social media. But yet they were the first ones
that are just all over that scandal. Pastor Jimenez's sister sends it to Pastor Jimenez's wife,
who gives it to her kid, and then her kid sends it to my kid. And then that kid shows it to me,
and or didn't show it to me, just told me about it. And I said, I don't even want to see it.
And the thing is, this is the church that's not on social media, right? That's funny,
because I see his members on social media. They've been talking mad crap about our church
for years, using the f word about me, you know, basically saying, let's go Brandon about me,
calling me a faggot, calling me a biatch and everything, but well, but they're not on social
media or whatever. He pontificates about probably one of the most gossiping churches I've ever seen.
And I want to say that, you know, when the Bible says answer, not a fool according to his father,
it's kind of funny to just call me a fool throughout this sermon, when literally all of
his major doctrines that are not just standard old IFB doctrines, he learned 100% of them from me,
poster of rapture, Zionism, using one saved always saved, out-soul winningism, the gospel plan,
reprobate doctrine, family integrated, go down the list of everything about the new IFB,
and he still believes all that stuff, so if I'm such a fool, why did God reveal all these things
to me? Why did I teach him all these things? I would mentor that he still believes on the stuff
that I taught him, and I'm just written off as a fool. One other thing, and I don't want to take
too much time, but it says, "Answer a fool according to his folly." And he says, "Oh, the times come
that I need to answer a fool according to his folly." He doesn't answer any of the stuff that
I brought up. As we see this sermon, he doesn't answer anything. So it's not an answer to just
get a person and criticize them. You know, if the things videos were folly, the things that I put
out over the other days, giving 100% proof that he slandered Pioneer Baptist Church, 100% proof
that he's the author of the Puzarnsky "She Can Leave" doc, that he's teaching the same feminist crap.
You know, if he's supposed to answer the fool according to his folly, first of all, those videos
aren't folly because everything I said in those videos is right and true, and anybody with a Bible
can see that. And secondly, he doesn't answer any of those things. Anyway, that's what I want to say.
You were glitching just a little bit, and I don't know if it's just during Wi-Fi or something, but
just for the audience at home, I want to make sure that they caught something you said. You were
saying that Pastor Jimenez's kids sent messages about one of your sons to them, and that's how
you learned about them. No, they sent the actual pictures if I would want my kids to see those
pictures. So his kids sent to your kids pictures. And that's how I found out about it. That's how
you found out about it. So it's not like some... That's how I found out about it was from my daughter.
Yeah. Well, let's keep playing some of the sermon. I know it's a little slow,
but it'll kind of pick up in intensity here pretty soon. I vowed, Pastor Anderson, the new IFB,
for a long time. And not only have I been silent, I've been very patient. And this guy has...
Stop for just a second. I'm sorry. He said he's being silent, but he did preach a whole sermon
against the new IFB by name and pretty much just trashed all of us when... I'm not aware of anybody
up to this point. Maybe last night, I don't know, I didn't listen to your sermon, but I don't know
if anybody up to this point has called out Pastor Jimenez by name or like said anything about him
specifically or Verity Baptist Church, but he's not silent. He was clear about the new IFB and
saying negative things about them in sermons. So I don't think that that's an accurate description.
Let's keep going. Me and attacking our church, accusing me and lying about me,
attempting to pull people out of our church for a very long time. And I've been turning the other
cheek and turning the other cheek. I have to just say that I know for a fact that Pastor Anderson
was encouraging his dad and other people to still go to Verity Baptist Church for a long period of
time during this. So this idea of him just constantly trying to pull people out and whatever
is kind of nonsense. Obviously at one point you did mention Pioneer Baptist Church as a good church,
but I am not aware of you strategically or purposely or directly pulling people out of
his church. Is there any validity to this? Are you messaging people and telling them to leave his
church? Absolutely not. And here's the thing, for the first like months after he stabbed me in the
back, I was actually doing this for Jimenez to people. I was being only positive about him from
the pulpit. I was being only positive in any broadcast I did. And I was even telling PN,
my church, "Hey, I still think he's a great Christian. I still think he's a great preacher.
It's a great church." I was telling my dad, "Hey, don't feel like you have to leave because of me
or anything like that." But finally, my patience just ran out a few months ago when there were just
these evil railers in his church. And I called him out about it. And he said that he took care of it.
And then he refused to take care of it. And the problem just got worse and worse. And I warned
him over and over again. I said, "I'm not just going to put up with this forever. Your church is
doing all these evil things." And I said, "The church isn't one person, it's the members. And if
you can't get your house in order, if you can't get your people in order, then I'm just going to
view your church in general just as openly hostile and just as a force for evil, railing, gossip,
et cetera." And here's the thing. My dad, even after I stopped recommending the church and even
after I recommended Pioneer, I did not contact any of his members. And my dad specifically,
I told my dad, less than like a week ago, I told my dad, "Hey, listen, you know, you might want to
just go into verity." And I never told my dad. You're kind of glitching on this. And I don't want
people to miss what you're saying. It might be possible. Maybe you can just try to like disconnect
and reconnect. I don't know if that would help or not. Let me try to set up like a wired connection
or something. But I just don't want people to like not catch what you're actually saying here. So
yeah, again, the point is this, it's kind of just an evil surmising. And what you're going to notice
in this sermon is a lot of just what I'd call evil surmising, where it's just this, all of this
stuff that's being said that no one knows about, but he's just guessing, but it's not true. Like
number one, we're not just actively subverting his church members or asking them to leave or telling
them to leave or something like that. It's just a fiction. If it was true, then we would just say it.
But it's not something that's really happened. So again, he can sit here and just tell his
congregation this stuff and they're just going to trust that or just believe that. But where's the
proof? Where's the evidence of all these people being "subverted" and taken out?
I'm going to try and fix my internet connection. But in the meantime, I just wanted to say one more
thing. I just went and visited my dad like a week ago when I did that interview with him.
And I talked to my dad about the fact that Pzarnski was coming to guest preach.
He was super angry about that. And he was for sure going to boycott those services.
I literally said to him, I said, "Well, Dad," I said, "That could give you an opportunity
to visit other churches without necessarily making the decision that you're going to switch."
Because I said, "You can just boycott the Pzarnski sermon, go visit another church,"
or something like that. Because I said, "Dad, if you don't find something that you like better,
you may land back at Verity." So I said, "Keep an open mind about staying at Verity."
And here's the thing. You know what? My dad's older. I just really love my dad,
and I just want my dad to be happy. And I know that he was very happy at Verity. He had a lot
of friends there. And so I was basically just worried about him being happy and just being at
the best church for him. And that's what I've been telling him the whole time. He did end up visiting
a different church and he ended up absolutely loving the new church. And he's definitely not
going back to Verity. And as soon as Pastor Jimenez found out that he wasn't going back to Verity,
he texted my dad and said that he was going to go after me publicly. And you know, part of the
reason he hadn't done it was out of respect for my dad. But now, you know, he's no longer going to
be silent and whatever. So again, like I'm accused of just... And when did he say that? What's that?
When did he text your dad this? When did he say this? I want to say it was Tuesday. I can double
check for sure, but it was it was it was Monday or Tuesday, but I'm pretty sure it was Tuesday.
Was this before you made a video publicly about like why Pastor Jimenez is a coward and a liar?
Exactly. When my dad told me and showed me the text where Pastor Jimenez is just going to go
after me publicly or whatever, then I was like, okay, fine. Well, it's on then. And then, yeah.
So I put my side of the story out there. Because he's saying that you're just randomly
attacking him. But you actually, before you even have these videos out there, he's already said,
"I'm going to go after Steve." And he's not even saying like Pastor Anderson. He's like,
"I'm going to go public against Steve." So for the people at home, he's not just over here just
living his best life now, doing nothing, ignoring us. And you're just randomly uploading videos to
the internet. He's saying, "I'm going to go public against Steve." And then you ended up just going
ahead and just putting videos out there kind of in response to this, you know, more or less. But
obviously it's not just one event. I'm just saying like in general, this is kind of somewhat of a
catalyst. Well, I just want to make sure the audience is catching this right here. So Pastor
Jimenez sends a text saying that he's about to take the gloves off and attack "Steve," as he puts
it, and attack "Steve." Pastor Anderson puts up videos, and he's calling out Pastor Jimenez.
Here's my point. That did not come out of the blue, and I think that's the narrative that we
see in this sermon, and I think that's the narrative that we see in the video he uploaded
as well, that this was a random attack against him for no apparent reason, and now he's decided
to stop being a gentleman as a result. Not the case. You just heard the proof.
Okay, let's keep going, because there's still a lot to say, but I want to keep going with
the video.
And there comes a time when you have to answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be
wise in his own conceit. I understand that some of you may not be comfortable with these
types of sermons, and I'm sorry about that, but this is just part of the Christian life.
Sometimes these things need to be dealt with, and look, let me tell you something. We, for
a long time, were part of this new IFB movement, and to be honest with you, I helped build
the new IFB movement, but the new IFB movement is going in a very odd direction, to say the
least, and there's all sorts of things that maybe we'll talk about at another time. There
are things like music, the music standards are changing. I mean, they've got this NIFB
parodies thing now, where they're just playing just worldly rock and roll music or whatever.
I mean, they're putting verses to techno music, I mean, just some really weird things.
But you know, one of the biggest-
Okay, stop for a second. I just want to make it clear, like, for the listener at home again,
this isn't like we're doing this at church or something. We're not like having a rave
at church or something like this. He's saying like, before the Baptist by his show, we have
some AI music that someone in our crew made, where they just threw some like King James
Bible verses up on some AI music, which we've been having for years, number one. Number
two, Pastor Minnis has been on our show multiple times when we had that. So, you know, it's
not like we just randomly, oddly started changing or something like this. This has always been
the case. And I've just never been a person that just believes like music genres are somehow
inherently sinful or something like that.
There's the text, because people think we just make stuff up.
I don't know if we can read that or not. It's kind of hard.
There it is. OK? Yeah, he says I'm done being silent about Steve.
I can kind of read that. OK.
Right there. So there you go.
So Pastor Anderson's videos did not come out of nowhere.
There was a clear agenda to attack from the Pastor Jimenez side.
So again, we're going in an odd direction.
I don't know how we're doing anything different than we've been doing before.
Same sermon, same preaching, same events, maybe more soul winning.
We've done more cruise mission trips, more soul winning, more mission trips, more salvations.
That's not even an odd direction.
It's the same direction.
So again, just saying things that aren't even true at all, and then he's going to make this
other statement that I think is important to combat.
But this is another "odd direction" we're going in.
... that I'm not comfortable with is, and again, for those of you that maybe aren't
aware of this, this might just seem odd to you, but I just, I need to say it.
It's justifying and minimizing of beating your wife.
Okay, stop.
So we justify beating your wife?
The word "justify" according to the dictionary is to show or prove to be right or reasonable.
I want Pastor Menes to show any pastor in the new IFB saying that it is right or reasonable
to beat their wife.
And I want that in a sermon.
I want to hear the sermon where we're proving that and saying that it's right and reasonable
to beat your wife because that's never happened.
It's slander, it's lies, it's not even like a misunderstanding.
It's just a flat lie and false accusation.
I've never said that.
I've never believed that.
I would never justify beating your wife.
That's literally insane.
That's insane.
And I think that, again, this just goes to show that the sermon's not going to be based
on truth.
It's based on false accusations.
I mean, where am I wrong?
Who's justifying beating their wife?
No one.
Can you hear us, Pastor Anderson?
Yeah, I didn't know you were addressing me specifically.
I was just listening to what you were saying.
Sorry.
Nobody is.
I mean, I thought it was a rhetorical question because, you know, who's justifying beating
your wife?
No one.
And you know what?
He walked up to my dad like a year ago and was implying to my dad that I beat my wife
for some crap like that.
I mean, and if that's the kind of crap he's going to say to my dad, then, you know, what's
he saying to the rest of his church?
But he's just so innocent or whatever.
He just has his church members do his dirty work for him.
They can just say all this crap, speak for him online.
And then he just goes, well, I can't control what goes online.
Oh, we're not on social media.
Although his whole family is just seriously on social media.
He just, with Kimmy and Pastor Amen as a sister, Michelle,
and just spreading all this crap.
Sorry, you're kind of glitching out again there.
Maybe again, just--
I'll try to switch networks.
I'm not hearing Pastor Shelley there.
Yeah, we're having some technical deal.
We're having technical issues here.
So I think what we could do is go ahead and play the video.
Let's continue with the sermon so that we don't waste any time.
A direction that I'm not going to go down.
And if you are here and that's something you want or whatever,
you're not going to find a comfortable place here.
And look, I'm telling you, they had their little fire-breathing Baptist
fellowship there in Texas a few weeks ago.
Pastor Anderson's up there preaching about a woman being beaten so badly
by her husband that she's a bloody pulp, and he's laughing about it
and joking about it.
Okay, I want to give Pastor Anderson a second here. If we can hear him,
I want Pastor Anderson to address that and respond to that.
Well, I'm laughing about it right now. I'm laughing again because it's so
stupid and absurd. I'm laughing about it now for the same reason I laughed
about it at the conference. How could I laugh about a woman being beaten to a
pulp when this woman doesn't exist? What's her name? What's the name of the
woman that I was laughing about who was supposedly beaten to a pulp?
Now, anybody who actually listens to the sermon at the little fire-breathing
Baptist Fellowship, which had double the attendance of his church, I don't know
why it's this little conference, huge conference, packed house, great lineup of
speakers, super fun, just again, huge attendances, highest attendances in the
history of the conference. But I got up and preached and talked about how Mrs.
McMurtry had said that if there's any physical abuse whatsoever, you should
call the cops on your husband, any physical abuse whatsoever, and then later
tried to claim, well, all I said was just if she's being beaten to an absolute pulp,
you know, that they can leave their husband or call the cops or whatever. But
what I said in my sermon was that if you were literally beaten to an absolute
pulp, you would go to the hospital, the cops would get involved, and your husband
would be arrested and sent to prison. So this is just a total strawman that all
these women in the new IFB are just being beaten to a pulp. That's absurd. How
can you be beaten to a pulp and have no blood, no bruises, no injuries? And look,
here's the thing, if some guy actually beat his wife to a pulp, he should be
arrested, he should go to prison if he did those things. Since when are we for
violent assault of anyone? I mean, forget whether it's marriage or
children. If I just went out and violently assaulted anyone, then I'd be
going to prison. Would I not? I mean, absolutely. It's clear to anyone who's
gonna look at that sermon clip honestly that you were not laughing at the
concept of a man literally beating a woman to a pulp. That is not something
that you find funny. You don't find it funny for somebody to be assaulted in
that way. You were making a point and specifically about, honestly, the
absurdity of some of the things that Cassandra says online. But regardless of
that, I think Pastor Jimenez knows that's not the point that you were trying
to make and it's an intentional twisting of the sermon. Let's continue here.
Pastor Shelley, whenever your mic is back up, you could just, you know, jump
right in. Just laughing and going along with it. Look, I don't think it's funny
and I'm not going down that direction. So if you're not comfortable with the
sermon tonight, I don't know to tell you. I'm sorry, you know, come back next week
and we'll be in first Kings chapter 8 maybe, depending on how this week goes. But I
need to deal with some things. And I made a video earlier and I'm not going to
rehash some of that stuff from the video earlier. But I want to deal with
this subject tonight about when people attack you to distract from themselves.
Keep your place there in Proverbs if you don't mind. Go back to 2nd Chronicles
chapter number 18. 2nd Chronicles chapter number 18. I don't know when it
became funny to mock women being beaten down to a black hole. No one did that. But that's
not something I'm gonna laugh about. 2nd Chronicles chapter 18. In the story
we have a battle between Ahab who's a wicked king, who's a bad king obviously.
This is Ahab with Jezebel. This is the guy that was fighting Elijah and he's
in a battle and in a war. What we're actually going to see in this chapter is
the defeat and the death of Ahab. And in 2 Chronicles 18 we preach out of the story.
We focus on Micaiah the prophet and we focus on different aspects of the story and there's
lots of great preaching that can be done from this chapter. But I think that what I'm going
to focus on tonight, I think it's something that's always kind of stood out to me and
I don't know that it's something that we focus on a lot when we look at this story.
But I want you to notice in 2nd Chronicles 18 and verse 28, they're going to go to battle
against Syria. Ahab's going to battle and he convinces Jehoshaphat to join him. The Bible
says in verse 28, "So the king of Israel," this is Ahab, the king of the northern kingdom of Israel,
he's the bad guy, "and Jehoshaphat, the king of Judah," that's the good king, he's the king of the
southern kingdom, "went to Ramoth-gilead and the kings of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat, 'I will
disguise myself and will go to the battle.'" So here's what Ahab says to Jehoshaphat, he says,
"I'm going to disguise myself," and what he means by that is that he's going to disguise himself so
that he doesn't look like the king, he wants to dress like a normal person, he wants to
just go to battle in garb that makes him look like a normal soldier so that people will not identify
him as the king so he says I will disguise myself and go to battle but he says put thou on thy
robe so he tells Jehoshaphat you go ahead and put on your kingly robes and these would be the robes
that would identify him as a king. Let's go ahead and pause for a second you can skip ahead a
little bit if you want but but here's the thing that I think is interesting he's bringing up that
I don't want to go in this odd direction of the night bee he already preached against us and said
that he wanted to separate us from us and now he's bringing up things that happened after that like
oh being fba bf bloody pulp all this stuff that'll happen afterward so you're kind of giving like all
of these quote reasons but the timeline is totally mixed up here you know you separated way before
that um I know people are like begging us to go faster look folks it's gonna get it's gonna get
more interesting but uh let's let's just keep playing because it's only like a 30-minute sermon
we should play the whole sermon you shouldn't leave anything out yeah it's just it's not our
fault that it's not our fault that part of his sermon is boring or it's not it's just a little
bit it's not it's boring because it just doesn't make sense but go i'm gonna dress like a normal
soldier and you go ahead and put on thy robes so the king of israel disguised himself and went to
battle so don't you notice that we see ahab he wants to hide himself he wants to disguise himself
so that he doesn't look like the king he wants jahasaphat to put on his robes and look like the
king notice verse 30 now the king of syria had commanded the captains of the chariots that were
with him saying fight ye not with small or great save only with the king of israel and here's where
we see the reason why ahab is telling jahasaphat you go ahead and and put on your kingly robes so
that you can be identified as the king and i'm going to disguise myself like a normal person you
say why would ahab do that here's why he would do that because the king of syria wanted to kill ahab
in fact he had told the captains of his chariots that uh they were to fight he said fight ye not
with small or great save only the king of israel the king of syria doesn't want to kill jahasaphat
he doesn't care about jahasaphat but he does want to kill the king so ahab says you go ahead
and you look like the king you dress like the king you identify yourself like the king
i'm going to disguise myself and what is ahab doing here he wants to get the syrians to attack
jahasaphat and he's using jahasaphat to distract them from himself and you know when someone tries
to get others to attack someone else in order to distract the attack from themselves that's a
wicked person ahab is a wicked man here and just for a second if pastor amin is in this sermon
is at any point is distracting away from himself rather than just addressing his own issues or
what's going on then he's a wicked person is that how the logic is supposed to follow because he's
just saying anybody that's distracting away from himself is somehow a wicked person let's just keep
playing that is going to battle with them but ahab is just trying to get the attack on jehoshaphat
he wants the attention on jehoshaphat while he wants to distract himself or be distract people
from looking at him and being the target that he is look at verse 31 the bible says and it came to
pass when the captains of the chariot saw jehoshaphat that they said it is the king of israel therefore
they compass that word means they surrounded him about about him to fight so notice he gets
the attention on jehoshaphat he takes the attention off himself and he puts the attention off on
jehoshaphat what do we see we see that he's trying to get the attention on jehoshaphat he's trying to
get others to attack jehoshaphat in order to distract from himself now did you keep your place
in proverbs go to go back to proverbs real quickly in chapter number 11 proverbs chapter number 11
and again this may be a little bit of a different sermon but i want to deal with this issue of
pastor anderson and you know pastor anderson has just been attacking our church attacking me
and pastor anderson's eldest son this week came out as a transvestite and you know i know people
don't like that word and and i've i've seen people make comments and say well just because
he dresses like a woman doesn't mean he's a transvestite uh okay well let me read to you
the definition of the word transvestite this is from the miriam wefter dictionary it says a person
who wears clothes designed for the opposite sex across dresser all right so when a man okay let's
let's pause it for a second because i just want to make a few points because i think whatever
whoever brought that up to him kind of has like at least a valid point here of you know hey just
because someone does this are we going to label them with this harsh title of transvestite and
you know again just my thinking like there's there's plenty of people that you know go into a
musical or a play or do something and they do this kind of stuff i wouldn't call them a transvestite
for doing that but by his logic if you're just going to say anybody's ever wearing you know the
opposite gender's clothing then you would have to say that all the women in his church that ever
wear pants are transvestites uh does he is he going to be a not a respecter of persons is he
going to call every single woman in his church a transvestite now again i don't know exactly what's
going on with the situation maybe maybe he is but again this to me is just just running with the
narrative you know came out as a transvestite i don't believe that there was you know some
proclamation or some statement this is just based on a picture and then it's just we're kind of
taking to making the worst assumption maybe that assumption is accurate but i think as a pastor we
should be careful not just always make the worst assumption possible based on a just a photo or
something like that you know again i don't know what's going on i'm not going to say that i know
what's going on well you know pastor pastor jimenez is when pastor jimenez's family sent this to my
child which is how i even found out about it it was portrayed as oh did you see these pictures
and that solomon came out of the closet as a bisexual that's the text that my daughter got
so that's that's the kind of slanderous railing crap and let me say this i'm not going to defend
my son for doing those wicked filthy images you know what it's evil it's gross it's wicked
it's an abomination in the sight of god it disgusts me i am absolutely repulsed and disgusted
and ashamed of him but here's the thing those pictures are super embarrassing and humiliating
for him not me it's super embarrassing for solomon it's not embarrassing for me you know
what here's the thing i'm sorry i wasn't really shocked to hear about that because he was thrown
out of the church a year ago and when people get thrown out of the church they are going to circle
the drain spiritually they're going to go downhill spiritually because they are under the curse of
god and he has been under the curse of god for over a year and so of course he's going to go
down this dark path and by the way just to put it in perspective though because i'm not going to
defend that crap or that field for one second i'm repulsed by it and think it's evil but just to
put it in perspective let's not forget that one of my kids in an interview i want to say it was
john i don't remember which one but a lot of people remember this and even brought it up to
me and i remember it myself they threatened to do this a year ago in those interviews that all these
idiots were cheerleading they said yeah me and solomon talked about how we wanted to go down to
ross and just buy some dresses and just put on dresses and take pictures and upload them to the
internet just to really stick it to my dad you know just to really give him the finger but you
know we decided not to do it because it's gross and we didn't want to embarrass ourselves
because obviously that is what it is it's like i'll show dad i'm just going to make him an ass of
myself to the whole world sorry but that doesn't show me anything it just shows the world what an
unreliable witness you are what a trash person you are solomon you are trash solomon and that is why
you and your siblings did this to me and conspired against me and rebelled against me
because of the wickedness of your heart and you know what if anything this should just show people
what kind of people they're siding with when they say we side with the children we believe you miriam
we believe the kids and everything they're siding with people that are clearly not right with god
and not living for god and i do believe that all four of them are saved i don't believe that
solomon is a reprobate or that he's unsaved i think he's just a complete idiot well and again
we don't know what's going on there's not like some public statement it's just pastor pastor
jimenez is now speaking for him and just just making proclamations for him and just kind of
reading things into the worst light well and here's what i've been preaching maybe they're
accurate maybe maybe you just shouldn't speculate when you don't know for sure is how i feel here's
the doctrine that i've been preaching since the year 2006 and this has been like a key
doctrine that i've harped on is that you cannot reform the old man you cannot change the old man
and therefore saved christians who are in the flesh who are backslidden who are not right with god
who are not walking in the spirit they will be just as rotten as unsaved people and i preach
that in 06 and all the way until now that the the carnal man that lives inside of all of us
is just as rotten as an unsaved person and the only way that we can actually live right as a christian
is to put off the old man and put on the new man and walk in newness of life and put on the lord
jesus christ we've got to transcend the flesh by walking in the spirit and so here's the thing
obviously people who are not right with god who got thrown out of the church a year ago who are
under the judgment of god and under the judgment of the local church are going to be super rotten
and do super rotten things and so wow what a shock let me pick myself up off the floor
again i've i've never actually done that as far as like in a theater perspective or like an acting
perspective but i've been around other people who were in a role where they had to dress up like a
female and pretend to be a female and they were normal people straight people just doing that
and i actually heard this weird thing this is this weird thing where these badists would have this
mock wedding where they would have like it would be all men and like half the men would dress up
like bridesmaids and they would have like this weird skit where they would all pretend like
they're getting married or something like that like i'm not saying that's right i think that's
wicked it's weird i don't think you should do that in baptist church but at the same time like i'm
not going to then just leap to now you're all reprobates and transvestites and like trannies
or something like that like i think that that's just you know again evil surmising um it's just
not the right way to approach it the bible does say effeminacy is a sin being effeminate is a sin
so why don't we call it that but you know again it's it's kind of just going to a more extreme
thing to try and make it sound worse than maybe it is maybe it's not i don't know maybe he is
doing these things on a regular basis he's not trolling i don't know but it sure wouldn't look
good if it came out that he was trolling after you make all these great grandiose proclamations
so let's just keep playing because he's going to say this like i don't know 10 times 15 times or
something i mean i'm not trying not to over exaggerate i mean it's like pretty much at
least 10 maybe 15 well i just hope that there are no i just hope that there are no alcoholics in the
in the audience who want to like use this as a drinking game because they will literally
if they turn this into a drinking game like you will die you will end up in the hospital because
he cannot stop talking about this because he just loves it and you know what the bible says charity
doesn't rejoice in iniquity and he paints himself as so loving and how he just loves Solomon more
than his own parents or something and yet he's taking Solomon's lowest most humiliating embarrassing
moment and he just can't stop talking about he can't bring it up enough like yeah i think i think
he's rubbing it in your face as if you're directly responsible for it well it's like ham did this
disgusting thing and then he just has to tell everybody about it and it's like when the other
two brethren hear about it they're just kind of like they just look the other way and just clothe
their father and they just kind of like ignore it because it's like why do we want to talk about
something that's embarrassing for anybody it's like just it just it just it just isn't the right
attitude but let's play let's keep going because people want to hear the rest of this woman he's
a transvestite and patrick anderson's elder son came out as a transvestite this week i mean just
put all these these just disgusting pictures on social media and to be honest with you when
about and some of this i did cover in the video oh wait one more thing how did he put on social
media this church is not on social media and they got it that's an interesting i don't know how
they got it but let's keep playing to be honest with you when my wife and i first became aware
of this we were just very sad about the whole thing i mean i can tell you that our hearts were
broken about it because we watched this young man i mean we saw him while you're doing a victory
lap we were at his wedding and obviously you never want to see anybody i mean you literally
would not want this to happen to your worst enemy to have their son end up this way and and and the
thing is that pastor anderson and i have not been friends for a long time and we've not been on good
terms for a long time and and my heart even broke for him i mean i even just thought about him and
i thought about man you know how can you could would you feel if if your if your kid ended up
this way but you know pastor anderson true to form instead of crawling into a hole like a normal
person would like a normal person would when this happens instead of just mourning and grieving
he decides to pull out okay wait a second as soon as as soon as noah knows what his younger son did
on him what does the bible say he said curse would be canaan that's like that's his immediate
response and we don't see noah crying and going into a hole and i would say that situation was
worse we we have infinite examples of parents having their kids do horrible weird things bad things
just like total trash things and they don't just power and hide and quit their lives or something
like that yeah they might grieve they may be sad they may cry even but but like i i hate this it's
like always telling people how to grieve or how to respond to negative information like everybody
gets to just decide how they want to handle things and for all of us we're supposed to move on
eventually so someone moves on like why are we gonna sit here and criticize people i mean david
is being criticized for not mourning for his baby dying but he as soon as the baby dies he's just
fine and moves on with his life and it's like people are criticizing how he like handles that
particular situation yeah why would you're not in the situation why do we have to criticize pastor
anderson about this why would i a year later be crying and want to climb into a hole see see i
think that what's going on is that from these idiots perspective is that they just thought my
kids were just these wonderful victims and then now all of a sudden they're just finding out
oh no solomon's a bad person it's like so i guess him calling his parents mother effers didn't tell
you that he's wicked but but now this is some new revelation to you that he's wicked because he did
this it's like well sorry i already knew that a year ago when he was super disrespectful and siding
with my evil perverted kidnapping brother clint you know i already knew that he was super wicked
so that's when the mourning happened back then and we've already moved on with our lives and
you know what let me just say this those four kids are dead to me they are dead to me and that is
biblical anyway because what did the father of the prodigal son say when he came home he said my son
was dead and now he's alive okay so obviously if my children were to repent and get right with god
of course i would forgive them of course i would bring them back into the family
but as it stands right now all four of them are dead to me so no i'm not going to cry and mourn
and crawl into a hole and i don't see pastor Jimenez you know crawling into a hole he's
supposedly just so heartbroken no he's doing a victory lap and he brings it up about 40 times
in the sermon yes keep going yeah that i preached two years not sad at all you know that according
to him just came to light and decides to pull out this sermon and just starts attacking me and and
making videos about it and and you know making all these posts and and and and i'm thinking
myself like this is not what a normal person would should be doing right now i mean you would think
but here's the thing pastor anderson pulls out this video that just you know it just came to light
i mean it's a sermon that i preached on a sunday morning that i live streamed publicly that i
emailed to 4 000 people on our email list that i that i literally sent to people before it was
about the red hot preaching conference and while you may not want to bring a first-time guest to
the red hot preaching conference and it's like i literally send this uh sermon a link to our entire
church family right before the red hot preaching conference i sent it to four thousand people but
he's trying to act like some secret two things i want to say number one how does a normal person
respond to this well who cares what a normal person responds to anything number one but like
in some cultures and asian cultures if a person came out as a tranny or transvestite did this
they would just make they might just kill them muslims might just kill them asian families might
kill them for just disrespecting their family just making their family look bad that's how a
quote normal person might even handle this so so is you know who do we why do we care how people
would handle these these situations what does the bible say you know that's that's the only thing
that matters number one and number two he's he's now saying like oh when pastor anderson made this
sermon clip or kind of talked about a sermon clip of mine or pointed out something i said the you
know it's it's it's a lie for him to have only recently heard this because i quote emailed it to
four thousand people yeah pastor anderson is on a hair trigger to listen to every single one of
our sermons or something like this is kind of a narcissistic idea where people pretend like any
of us are listening to each other's every word and every sermon like like i mean let's just be
honest how many sermons a pastor of men is do you listen to a year pastor anderson like you know
2024 2023 i mean how many of his sermons in 2023 just a guess 24 i mean two maybe in a year
maybe so he's acting like i don't know it's surprising you wouldn't know one of his sermons
or something on a wednesday night the fact is i had never even heard about the sermon not only
had i not heard the sermon i hadn't even heard about the sermon until you pastor shelly you
brought it up to me and told me about the sermon i was like huh what and then i only recently
listened to it and if he wants to know why now you know what what's with the timing why now just out
of nowhere pastor anderson's technically no it's because for nine months i put up with his church
members crap lying slandering me saying crap online saying crap in person to the church members
any of my members who visited verity or members of our friends church who visited verity were
getting the talk every time they went to verity and so then finally i got sick of it and said you
know what i'm gonna fight back i'm gonna fight for the survival of my church and i told him this i
said look i'm not gonna sit there and coddle you pastor jimenez and and try to protect you at the
expense of my own church i'm like i'm the one that's under attack here i want faithful word
baptist church to survive i'm fighting for the survival of my ministry and my church and you
know pastor or excuse me not pastor the apostle paul you know he defends himself against slander
and accusations in the books of first and second corinthians and elsewhere i have the right to get
up and say hey look this is what's going on and and here's the thing i think that pastor jimenez's
church is teaching a bunch of garbage dangerous false doctrine about feminism that has real world
applications and so i'm just pointing out to people the the flawed thinking the wrong philosophy
the bad doctrine that's coming out of that church and i wasn't even making some big deal about how
bad pastor jimenez is look the clips from the red hot preaching uh conference sermon were uploaded
and then i basically just shared the clip and this is all i even said with the clip i just said well
it looks like pastor jimenez has actually disliked us for a long time because he preached this back
in 2023 and he's very negative about me and pastor shelly here's my point my point was that
pastor jimenez wasn't just this wonderful loving friend who's just so horrified about my family
life and whatever you know i'm defending myself by showing no it's not it at all it's that pastor
jimenez already had a problem that's why he's allowing his members to viciously attack me
he already had a problem he already had a burr in his saddle years ago and then you know that's just
yeah and here's the thing hey i've been slandered people have railed on me and i'm sorry but i want
faithful word baptist church to continue and you know what i would have been glad to quit pastoring
i told past three men as i wanted to quit he begged me not to but i'll tell you i am continuing to
pastor for two reasons two reasons i'm continuing to pass reason number one because this world is
so messed up and there's so much garbage out there in this world somebody has to get up and tell the
truth and cut through this crap and be a voice of reason number one and number two because the
vast majority of my church was loyal to me and stayed with me and so if they stayed with me
i'm not just going to leave them high and dry and just abandon them and say all right guys find a
pastor figure it out hey if they didn't abandon me i'm not going to abandon them and you know
what causes me to get up in the morning is that we need to fight against this perverted wicked
culture in the united states the sodomites the the zionism all the crap that's out there that we
want to fight well guess what if you're going to be a pastor who's just going to preach only milk
sermons sunday morning sunday night and wednesday night and you're going to tell everybody oh you
know you got to save the hard stuff for some special conference that's like invitation only
and don't bring people i'm sorry but if the salt has lost its savor then wherewith is this country
going to be salted and churches that have lost their savor and saltiness are good for nothing
but to be cast out and to be trodden underfoot of men and a church that will not preach hard right
now is not what we need we we don't need another vanilla boring baptist church we need some hellfire
and damnation preaching in this country so yeah i do think it's pretty stinking important to get
up and explain the strong meat of the word versus the milk of the word and debunk his garbage
because i don't want other pastors and other church members being infected with this philosophy
that wants to tone down hard preaching we need hard preaching more than ever
and i want to confirm that because i was thinking about this i'm like that he's going to make this
claim this is this is this is what the logic he's trying to say he's trying to say oh this
information's coming out about solomon so therefore we just randomly are attacking him with this video
that we've been holding on to for years when pastor amenis preached against us in june we we
said we talked to each other about it and i said oh i heard that there was this sermon like where
he kind of mentioned something negative about us or whatever prior to the red hot preaching
conference like and i didn't i didn't actually listen to the sermon i just knew that it was
kind of out there and it like it like triggered my brain again now that i'm thinking like oh i
think maybe he might have already had some negative feelings towards us but i had never
listened to the sermon i just only heard from other people and i didn't want to listen to it
because i just don't want to hear people trash me so i told you about it and you watched it
i never i still to this day have not watched that sermon i've only seen like a few like snippets or
clips or something that maybe was shared to me later but it's like we're not i'm not hanging on
to sermons or hanging on to clips or watching these things just to try and wait to use them
against other people like that's just a weird idea that he's just like dreaming up and then pretending
like because he emails people his sermons then me and pastor anderson have heard every single
sermon he's ever preached and it's not something that we're just not aware of until a controversy
this stuff happens all the time where there's a controversy and then people send us stuff
or we find out about stuff later and we're like oh i didn't realize that or i hadn't seen that
just like pastor fritz was like preaching against us and saying all this stuff for a long time
before we ever knew about it it's just like this is how it is sometimes but let's keep playing this
this clip thing you know it just came to light and i just have to really expose pastor imenez
just right now but you know what he's really doing is he's just trying to get all these people
to attack me and attack our church and get all the attention on us and get people to attack us
because he's trying to distract people from the fact that his son just came out as a transvestite
that his son just came out again he's trying nobody was talking about that nobody was talking
about that literally you're the one that's bringing it up one person sent me that image
on my ex account and it was amanda gander like and other than that i saw almost no one bringing
this up or talking about it so i didn't even think of this as like some big deal or big thing
because frankly i think nobody was talking about it because i think when normal people find out
about it they're just like oh gross and they kind of just don't want to talk about it or
or even dwell on it or even look at it or share it or think about it you'd have to be a complete
freak to share those images you know what i mean like no matter what your motive in sharing them
like nobody wants to look at that so it's like the timeline is off because it's not like you hear
this and then are triggered and then upload videos it's like he's saying he's going to publicly
attack you and then you're uploading videos and then he's trying he's the one trying to use this
to distract people from what's actually happening he said he's going to attack you you made videos
about things he did and then now he's bringing up this solomon thing to quote distract people
from the fact that he's picking a fight he's been allowing his church members to rail and lie
and it's actually like a complete irony of the sermon well it's like the jews it's it's like
the it's like the israelis they're the aggressor but then they paint themselves as the potential
as the perpetual victim when they're the aggressor right the jew cries out you know as he beats you
or i don't remember how the the saying goes but but the bottom line is that you know look i'm
the one who's having my name dragged in the mud here by his church for a year and i specifically
told him you need to get your house in order and even said oh i'll take care of it and then he just
is either insincere or ineffective well wait a minute and not control his church members from
just railing non-stop and he won't church discipline them who named who who named you first
from the pulpit was it was it us going on the offensive and like saying negative things about
pastor amenez by name or did he do this months ago and it actually caught both of us off by surprise
and you on i could show text message after text message of pastor anderson saying positive things
about pastor amenez saying he thought he's gonna come our way we thought after the joe jones thing
like oh wow maybe he's gonna wake up and realize like he sided with some bad people and like he's
gonna realize he you know he's he's doing some new stuff like this this is just a total gaslighting
to pretend like he's just doing nothing just innocently living his life something bad happens
in your life and you're just like who do i attack and you're just like i'm just gonna randomly
attack and again it's funny how he sees it as an attack on him when really all those videos that
i've put out were about issues they're never like just saying some ad hominem about hey let me just
tell you every bad thing that i know about pastor Jimenez or let me just pull out all of pastor
Jimenez's dirty laundry that's not what i didn't i talked about issues you know i i talked about
the doctrine of milk versus strong meat i turned to Hebrews five i turned to first Corinthians three
i debunked the doctrine i debunked there she can leave doctrine okay i i defended pioneer baptist
music the proof's in the pudding why don't we talk about the actual issues instead of just oh you're
mean to me you attacked me it's like bro if you live in a glass house don't be throwing stones
because you've spent a year attacking me and then all of a sudden you don't want me to fight back
i mean that's it's absurd all right let's keep let's keep going and you know here's the thing
when you try to get people to attack someone else to disguise yourself and to distract from
yourself you're a wicked person the bible says in proverbs chapter 11 and verse 9 i'd like you to
look at it proverbs 11 verse 9 the bible says and hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbor
but through knowledge shall the just be delivered and you know this is a wicked thing to try to just
attack a church i mean to just try to attack a pastor just because your mess of a life on this
side you just want to just the mess of life not because he said he was going to go public or
anything he said or done just just i'm having a bad life so i'm going to kick the dog that's that's
the first of all let me just say i'm not having a bad life my life i'm just i'm just saying like
that's the narrative no but he's saying i have a mess i'm sick of people saying pastor anderson
needs to get his house in order pastor anderson's family's messed up pastor anderson has that none
of that's true because you know what my marriage is going better than it's ever been i'm doing
great in my marriage and my whole home here i've got eight kids living at home everybody's doing
awesome everybody's happy we get along great we just played a fun board game a couple days ago
with all the kids and and we're just having family time and fun over here and we get along great my
kids love me okay the problem is adults that have moved out of my home and now that they're making
their own decisions are making dumbass decisions okay the people that i actually have rule over
and control over are all doing great okay so i'm getting up in the morning and i'm eating an
awesome cooked breakfast over here from my wife i'm enjoying life i'm enjoying the wife of my youth
i'm enjoying my children and you know faithful word baptist church has a great spirit come down
come visit and and tell me if there's a dark cloud hanging over our church because everybody's happy
everything's cool so say oh my life's a train wreck or a mess dream on buddy it's not you know
whose life is a mess the people who've been excommunicated from the church and they're the
ones who are going to reap the whirlwind all right let's keep going sure hey nothing to see here
everybody look over here look at the sermon that just came to light the sermon that just came to
light started making and why again to distract against uh from his son well wait a minute
we're not distracting right now why would you even want to invite ringing it up we're talking about
it way more than we'd like to somebody sent me the the clips because you know he's making these
videos whatever and then and then he puts my clip in context of the sermon you know my wife has me
listen to it and i listen to the whole clip and i'm thinking myself yeah i agree with me like why
would you want to bring i'm talking about like hey you may not want to bring your unsafe grandmother
to the red hot preaching conference you know these sermons may not be something that your unsafe
grandmother is going to understand and it's like can you believe this can you believe your sons
of transvestite why don't we start there but it's like can you believe can you believe your sense
so his clip about talking negatively about us and saying don't bring people to hear us preach
his response is can you believe your sense of how is that not the exact epitome of a sermon
distracting away from the whole point and he's saying hey i still agree with that why does that
matter hey i still don't like that yeah but i'm just saying like he's gonna do it how is that a
valid point if i say hey here's a clip of pastor amen is saying he doesn't like us and then he's
like i listened to it and i agreed so you still don't like us how does that prove anything the
whole point was hey it's it looks like he didn't like us back then and then he's just like yep i
still don't like them and i don't want grandma to come here pastor shelly preach because pastor
anderson's son's a transvestite how is that not just exactly what he's preaching about like just
distracting away from the the point that's being made the point is you don't like us
and then it's like here's evidence that suggests that you didn't even back then and then the point
isn't just that he doesn't like us the point is that he taught false doctrine by saying oh hard
preaching is the strong meat of the word that is a false doctrine and it has real world implications
in how we preach and teach and run our churches it's a bad philosophy he's just wrong and i proved
him wrong and again unsaved grandmother's not going to like my sermon my sermon saying take a shower
exercise don't don't like uh don't be lazy and then i'm like talking about you know getting a tattoo
fornication and being a sodomite being a fag like that's the that's the point so grandmothers can
not like sermons that are saying don't be fat take showers exercise and again he's going to go on
about the sermon but i mean that's the essence of the sermon how can an unsafe quote unsaved
grandmother not understand those points like she's not going to understand them we can't dumb it
down anymore maybe you might not like the exact delivery of it but let's just play this and that
he would say not to bring your unsaved why would i want to bring my on your unsaved grandmother to
the red hot preaching conference to hear a sermon from pastor shelly about fat people being disgusting
and indian smelling you know people people ask me like what killed the red hot preaching conference
you know pastor shelly's sermon single-handedly killed the red hot preaching conference it was
just so terrible of a sermon all right so we can pause for a second i i i think this is hilarious
that i've destroyed the red hot preaching conference now by saying and according to him quote fat people
are disgusting and quote indians are smelly it's like again these aren't quotes from the actual
sermon and again i i said hindus uh are are gross and i said that it's not being indian that makes
you disgusting but it's being hindu and and bathing and dung which i don't know why somebody would
like really argue with that particular point but again is is being i didn't say fat i said actually
severely obese i said severely obese is gross and i said that hindus are gross so if we want to get
the exact quotes it was something closer to that we can listen to those sermon if you want so why
pastor shelly it's not real it's not real that i destroyed the conference if he hated your sermon
then why did he get up after the sermon and say great preaching tonight he said great sermons
tonight thank you pastor shelly and pastor anderson great sermons tonight and then he
texted you that you did a great job you know that's just flattering and lies i was standing next to
him while you were preaching the sermon and he was shaking his head and he did not like your sermon
while your sermon was being preached because i was in his office standing next to him while the
sermon was playing over his computer because i was getting ready to preach myself and i think i had
a sore throat i'm always i've had throat problems my entire life and so i was like trying to get a
cough drop from him and he he had to send one of his staff literally to like across the street to
buy cough drops for me so i was like in his office waiting for cough medicine and he was
just shaking his head and criticizing your sermon but then he gets up public oh great sermon sign
i mean look if someone came and preached in my church and i didn't like the sermon then i'd
probably if it was heresy i would call it out but like if it was just a sermon that i didn't like
or i wasn't comfortable with i sure wouldn't get up and say oh great sermons tonight and text you
telling you it was good i would just say nothing about it and then if i was asked about it well
these are the concerns he did text me and said that i always do a good job after the sermon
and i have that that text message but here's here's another thing it's just like you know
everybody can be gross if you don't shower we've all been gross we've all had body odor it's it's
important to do those things you could eat anything you can eat garlic onions or whatever
and it could just cause people to be off putting by your your body odor and stuff like that but the
bible explicitly says be not among winebibbers among riotous eaters of flesh am i just not allowed
to preach what that verse means am i not allowed to explain it and if i explained it poorly if i'm
just so off of my exegesis if i'm not giving a a clear and sound you know when it comes to that
particular point then just explain it you know i think it's funny that adam fanning can preach
heresy and the conference wasn't destroyed manly parrot can get up and say weird stuff about the
morning star single guys can get up and say some of the weirdest things i've ever heard on their
sunday night services for years i mean some of the worst sermons i've ever heard were some of
those single guys getting up and saying just some of the most bizarre things i've ever heard
and yet i personally single-handedly according to him i single-handedly destroyed the red hot
preaching conference i mean that's that's quite the accusation that's quite uh an idea and again
if he's the brave one in this whole situation situation scenario why are we learning about it
now why didn't he just text me why didn't he just tell me you know every year he was always saying
like i might invite different preachers and you might not come and and i always i always
anticipated that i may not show up the next year look you want to know why you always got invited
do you want to know why you always got invited pastor shelly i have it doesn't matter though
even though it's clear that he had issues with your preaching didn't like it he brings us up by
name as the people who you know preach these wild over the top sermons supposedly at red hot
preaching or whatever i'll tell you why he brought you because he knows that you're going to bring
down the house because you can't have a conference called the red hot preaching conference and bring
a bunch of vanilla milk toast watered down wash rag kind of preachers in you got to bring somebody
who can bring down the house and there are very few people who can really bring down the house and
he knew that you were one of them and that's and he knew that people are going to be disappointed
if they see the roster and it's just jones pizarnsky burzins like you know they're not
going to they're not going to come out for that and be excited about that they want people who
can bring the fire and let's face it you know everybody has gone a little over the top in
sermons i've gone over the top other sermons you know you get fired up you you go overboard
listen goldilocks we'd rather have a preacher go a little hard than to go to some conference
where it's just a watered down week conference okay and you know what i'd rather go and be a
little uncomfortable at the red hot preaching conference than to be bored out of my mind
at a conference that's supposedly a hell-raising conference well again i knew the sermon would be
hot i didn't mean to pull a samson where i literally brought the house down on everyone
where i just destroyed the conference but you know it it's kind of just to me it's just kind
of silly to think that like hey if you if you go a little too hard on people being severely obese
or like hindus smelling bad or your personal preferences like you don't like indian food or
something like that like i just don't see why that ruins an entire conference but you know
because here's here's all you have to do to fix it just say i'm never having pastor shelly back
just say the red hot preaching conference continues and pastor shelly's no longer invited and while
you're at it don't invite pastor anderson and don't invite pastor mehia because they might bring down
the house too don't invite pastor os he might bring down the house as well but then the the
problem with that is that his faction is only got sucky preachers left who can't preach their way
out of a wet paper bag that is why there will be no red hot preaching conference next year
because you can't have a red hot preaching conference where the lineup is pizarsky robinson
and mcmurtry that's not a red hot preaching conference that's the problem mcmurtry preaches
the love of god at the red hot preaching conference i mean i would love to hear you know forbidden
fruit part two by pastor robinson but at the end of the day those preachers they can't bring the
fire and that's the problem yeah vanilla preaching isn't going to draw flies to a red hot conference
like it's not like i'm somebody you know let's just be honest it's not like i didn't say things
or do things that were considered extremely controversial prior to that sermon either so
you know and i didn't go nearly as quote wild as so why didn't he's inviting you in the pack like
you know again it's just not i don't think it's true i think it's probably true he didn't like
the sermon i think it's probably true maybe he wasn't gonna invite me back and that's fine that
you know i don't need to be invited to anybody's conference i'm not entitled it's for sure that he
didn't like the sermon because i'm telling you that that's my firsthand knowledge i was standing
next to him i can guarantee you he didn't like the sermon because i was there sure i just you know if
someone doesn't like my sermons or my preaching i would just appreciate they just tell me or
explain why i'm wrong or whatever i've gotten things wrong i can go over the top i i certainly
don't just hate indian people or something that would be a lie i know lots of indian people not
all of them smell bad or something like that i was of course talking about hindus and stuff so again
it's just it's just kind of a thing i did go against fat shaming i think fat shaming is a bad
thing in our society they'll say like you can't do that or you could never make someone feel
uncomfortable about being severely obese because it's really dangerous for their their health so
you know it is what it is but i guess forever i'll be the destroyer of red hot so we'll just keep you
have a comment here ben i know i've been kind of holding i have become death the destroyer of worlds
i'm sorry i destroyed red hot for everyone ben what is your comment yeah i mean i didn't realize
that he was going to go that direction and just totally blame you but it is to me odd that if you
really hated the sermon that much you're shaking your head at it as pastor ederson mentioned as
we see him go black for a second there that he would then tell you hey great sermon or he would
text you something positive he would verbally say great sermons after it was done and then
text you something positive afterward rather than just confront you on it and heck you know if he
loved you why not offer correction why not say hey i feel like point a b and c was over the top it
could have been better if you said it this way or provide some kind of constructive criticism i'm
sure you wouldn't have faulted him for that if he wanted to go that direction it's steady
holds it in and and pretends like everything's cool until now all of a sudden behind the pulpit
literally blaming you completely for the destruction of the conference it's it's definitely an interesting
direction for someone who calls you a weasel well and and again you know like i don't think
that we i'm really hurting america if people lose a little weight or people take a couple extra
showers like i don't think that that's going to cause problems for the baptist movement
so you know but i had people in that after that sermon and since then come up to me personally
and said that they really preached the sermon like they were someone that did struggle with
weight issues and they said i appreciate the sermon thanks for preaching this you've motivated
you helped me i've had people come to me so many marathons like months after and say because of
your sermon i started losing weight and it's been such a blessing and it's helped me so you know
hey i i get that maybe some people don't feel comfortable about it but at the end of the day
like it wasn't the comfortable conference it was the red hot preaching conference and so
you know there are bible verses that talk about these subjects i brought them up if you don't
like how i worded it you know you can just you could literally go to verity and you'll never
hear me preach again apparently so you're never going to hear it it was a once in a lifetime
opportunity it's been destroyed so uh but i you know it just kind of it just kind of funny to me
if i have to go down for something i'd rather go down for preaching too hard at the red hot
than then like preaching something so soft and i got like uh you know eliminated from the course
it wasn't good enough or wasn't fiery enough it's like it's a little too hot and i guess
and mission accomplished so let's let's keep playing this it's just silly but that's that's
the absurdity everybody look over here look how bad Verity Baptist Church is you know when someone
tries to get others to attack you in order to distract from the attacks that they should be
going to themselves they're a wicked person and you can stop so so this is a response video to
pastor Anderson and now we have to just spend a whole day drive on pastor Shelley ruined the red
out preaching conference was that another distraction i don't know go ahead i mean you
you would think i mean he's a our our teenagers went to a youth conference literally they went
to a youth conference of an independent fundamental baptist church they're right on salvation
their soul winners are right on king james bible and it's like you're horrible you're terrible you
sent them to this conference or and it's like why did you go there because it's all right stop
wait that's just again more lies no one said you're horrible you're terrible he just he just brings
up these things like people are just making these statements making these claims show me a reproof
show me the evidence of anybody ever saying that keep going went there and and what i think to
myself is this you would think that after your son comes out as a literal transvestite that you would
shut your mouth about where i send my teenagers to a youth conference i mean you would think
that after oh so if you have a bad kid you can never say anything ever again about it
well so here's the thing noah can never preach conference david can never preach the conference
that he's talking about is treiber's conference where we're talking about literal faggots on staff
literally having sex with teenagers okay a literal you know person on staff assistant pastor of the
church faggot has sex with a teenager and gets basically just quietly sent to a different bible
college with a with a positive recommendation he gets sent to west coast baptist college and
then when west coast found out that the guy was a faggot they were pissed that treiber had sent him
this faggot who had literally had queer relations with but but but oh how dare you get mad at me
for going there because here let me distract you with your son is a transvestite or whatever it's
like well bro the conference that you went to has actual faggot scandals they're known for covering
up faggotry and you yourself pastor Jimenez have preached against them repeatedly and he has been
against treiber for 20 years and then all of a sudden he's going to take a minute oh they're
right on salvation that's funny because i thought we all saw the clips from the conference itself
where repent of your sins salvation was preached at the conference itself it was a bunch of pre-trib
it was repent of your sins salvation that place has been just rife with sodomite scandals and
and pushing it under the rug and whatever and and like you said pastor so i guess because of what
my adult 24 year old married son who was thrown out of the church a year ago because of what he
does i can just never say anything about anything again i can just never preach or call anything
why am i doing this why am i calling out stupidity and wickedness because that's what i do for a
living i'm a pastor so i preach against sin i call out wickedness and false doctrine and false
teaching and mark and avoid wicked false teachers and you know last time i checked i don't even
you know i don't even remember even going that hard on him going i just said the conference
is bad and the treiber's bad did anybody i know nobody said all i did all i did was put out a
collage of pastor menace preaching against treiber and just other people chiming in and if i made
that video a year before this everybody would have said that i made an awesome video everybody
very much said this is an awesome video we love pastor menace you know saying this about treiber
it was just awkward because he had said all this stuff about him and then now they're going to
their church and and and kind of like having some level of fellowship with them and again the
question is why are you having fellowship with someone that you preach so hard against repeatedly
and then the answer is oh your son came out as a transvestite and then the whole the whole context
of this sermon is people that are distracting away from the actual problem are wicked so does
that make again pastor amenas wicked because he keeps distracting away from he's not answering
any of these questions he's not answering why he's only flip-flop on jack treiber or what he said
about him he just keeps just hitting this drum just like sons of transvestite transvestite and
look if you think we've hit that bell a lot you haven't you haven't seen nothing yet he's gonna
ring this bell so many more times but you know it's just i don't see how the irony is not landing
for the audience it's just screaming amen and just like so fired up of him constantly pulling out
this distraction card this distraction button the meme you know button just transvestite transvestite
it's just like he won't address anything else it's the only problem we can talk about that's
the only thing we can bring up just just saying hey this is just this is disqualifying from ever
speaking again you're never even allowed to speak again never say anything ever again like that's
that's ridiculous let's keep going your four eldest children have literally came out against you
your 17 year old ran away from home and they've all conspired to destroy your ministry to destroy
your marriage you would think you would shut your mouth about feminism and about how we should all
be leading our families you would think that after the complete just embarrassment and disaster that
is your family life you just shut your mouth don't say anything my family yeah don't say anything
ever because adult kids do bad stuff i'm sorry but my family life is not a disaster my family's
doing great and you know what you know what's funny is that we are super involved in the community
over here okay first of all we have tutors that come to our house every single day and tutor our
children so like half the time in our house there's like other people in our house because we have
tutors coming in all the time my wife does this like german bakery thing from home and she brings
in helpers and stuff and they're not even people from church like her one of her friends that comes
and and helps her is not even saved not even a christian not even claimed to be a christian
but she just like bakes with her and just comes over and bakes and stuff we go and we take our
kids to swimming lessons every day in the summer we're part of home school groups co-ops produce
you name it we have people in our house constantly and you know what it's all sunshine and happy
and smiles and pastor Jimenez his wife lived at our house for over a month we opened up our home
to her because she was lonely and needed a place to stay because her husband was deployed in the
military and she was over at our house and she testified that there was definitely no abuse
everybody was happy our kids love us and they clearly are happy now and so she said that it
was bull crap and i have the text message and i played it i already showed it in my video i
showed that text message where that was joanne's testimony about our family but we have continual
people coming over and being around our family and it's just like so sorry my my family life
isn't a train wreck adult children who leave the home that's when they went downhill because they
weren't under my leadership anymore under my leadership they did great then when they made
their own decisions they made stupid decisions not my fault i'm not going to take responsibility
for what people who don't go to my church and don't live in my house do sorry i haven't been
the best host so far because we've had people donating money for some super chats i think i
saw a one dollar in there for justin zong for president um we got another 20 tip from mr cast
is a far cry from i think florida is a little safer tonight boy that's uh that hits pretty hard
uh pillar and ground 20 thanks for the showers pastor shelley has inspired so uh someone's
getting a little cleaner tonight and uh so that's that's definitely important there um he's gonna
give us some personal shout outs here let's go ahead and play a little bit more of this let's
keep going excuse me of uh well he hasn't preached a hard sermon in a long time well is this hard
enough for you because i you know i tried to leave quietly steve i try hold on a second i just want
to say this yeah oh is this hard enough for you what we're talking about is actually preaching
something controversial like preaching against sodomites like you did once in 2016 and i don't
think he's preached any hell-raising sermons on sodomites in years i haven't heard any hard
sermons against homos in 2025, i mean i would love for someone to point us to a face ripping
sermon against sodomites by pastor Jimenez for many time recently you know i don't see him
ripping hard on the jews the sodomites all the things that he used to preach hard on it's like
oh but you can get up and rip on your mentor you can bite the hand that feeds you you can scream
and yell about how foolish the guy who taught you all your doctrine is is this hard enough for you
i'm sorry i'm not impressed about somebody throwing a tantrum and just screaming and
yelling angrily about someone who did nothing but good to them for over two decades and that's
considered hard preaching of course the world is going to applaud you hard preaching is supposed
to be countercultural not what the world let's face it the world hates pastor anderson true or
false yeah preaching is not a hair-raising sermon preaching against pastor anderson is not like oh
man i'm i'm still bold i'm preaching you know no no this is hard preaching calling you steve
right that's that's the hard preaching just insulting you and and and just using these you
know attacks of like name calling and just kind of being disrespectful because he's going to give
us some name calling here too but i just want to say i think it's sad i think it's sad that the
only time that these haters and pastor Jimenez included can get super fired up is when they are
preaching against us or when they are preaching against you pastor Shelley or pastor Anderson
they get more fired up more angry about you guys than they do the actual enemies of god then they
do about the sodomites about the jews the fags whatever it's like this is the only time that
they're willing to start quote-unquote ripping face and i just think that's sad i think it's weird
and frankly i kind of think it's a little embarrassing but go ahead we got another super
chat ot the baptist gave us 50 bucks says release the epstein files says i've been saying this in
every video look yeah i would release the epstein files um you give us a super chat and we'll make
sure to give you a shout out here thanks for the tip well we'll release one epstein file for every
donation that comes in we'll release one oh man well we're releasing the the verity files right
now so um let's let's get a little bit of more of this name calling and we'll pause it you
wouldn't let me so now i'm going to make you regret it and when i'm done with you i'm going
to come after that weasel shelly and i'm going to come after dylan too okay all right so so now again
first name's dylan not pastor aus and i'm a weasel which i don't know exactly why i'm a weasel am i
a weasel because i tell people that i like their sermons when i secretly don't or or i don't know i
don't know exactly why i'm the weasel you know and again at no point have we even addressed anything
that pastor aus has done so so why why where's the shade on that we're just now we just i thought
those sermons like don't just distract away from the point and then he just throws in these just
weasel and dylan comments like just another distraction again i mean this is just what does
this have to do with anything and i mean look pastor aus loves verity baptist church he has never
said anything negative about them to me he was super pro them he loves pastor minnis he got
baptized by pastor minnis he got married by pastor minnis he loves verity he loves the people there
uh you know this is this is this is crazy this is not somebody that disliked uh pastor still
doesn't dislike him i'm sure he's upset with his actions and i can't speak for him but i'm just
saying like we've loved pastor minnis like this is just this is this is weird this is heartbreaking
um another super chat salvation through faith gave 10 bucks he said quote your wife can leave
you you know end quote quote i could kill you you know end quote equals quote do as thou wilt
end quote satan so i guess he's saying i guess you can just do whatever you want which is really
coming from satan that is that is kind of satanic agenda is just saying do whatever you want
everybody can do whatever you want you're just a volunteer thanks for the tip salvation through
faith did you want to comment on the weasel or you know i don't know what i did that title
to say something i guess i ruined the no i'm good we can move on because these people they're just
not going to stop they're bullies and you know you can sit there and say and i did say to myself
answer not a fool according to his folly lest thou also be like unto him but there comes a
point where you have to move on to verse five answer a fool according to his folly lest he be
wise in his own conceit i see someone in the comments saying uh he called dylan weasel no no
he didn't call dylan weasel he called me the weasel just just for clarification so our audience is
clear i'm the weasel and it's just dylan he just called out dylan and which what the hell did
pastor ros even ever do okay and look i don't think anybody on this stream pastor anderson
pastor lily i don't think anybody on this stream did anything wrong to pastor Jimenez let alone
pastor dylan is literally just going about his business serving god and gets sideswiped out of
nowhere for no apparent reason whatsoever someone who loves verity baptist church loves pastor
Jimenez has nothing but positive things about pastor Jimenez you can't look at this any other
way than a total backstabbing that's what this is that's what we're witnessing right here so when
someone tries to get others to attack you in order to distract from themselves it's because
they're bad people it's because they're wicked people and you might say like well how does this
apply um in normal life you know obviously this applies to the new ifb or whatever but this applies
to normal life as well you know this is something that people often do even when they quit a church
and let me just be clear about something i'm not talking about anybody specific and i'm not talking
about anybody who quit our church recently all right i don't i let me just be clear about that
i'm not saying this is connected to anyone who quit our church recently i'm not saying that at
all but i am saying this in general people will quit a church because they get backslidden they'll
quit a church because they're not right with god they'll quit a church because they're just carnal
but but they'll blame the church you know get mad at the church just come up with a reason to attack
the pastor why because when someone tries to get others to attack you in order to distract from
themselves it's because they're wicked people so number one when someone tries to get others to
attack you in order to distract from themselves because they're wicked people number two let me
give you another thought notice our story here second chronicles 18 second chronicles chapter
18 in verse 31 hey we're back to the verse the past when the captain of the chariots saw jehoshaphat
that they said it is the king of israel therefore they compassed about him to fight but jehoshaphat
cried out and the lord helped him and god moved them to depart from him for it came to pass when
the captains of the chariots perceived that it was not the king of israel they turned back from
pursuing him the first thing i want you to notice from the story is that when someone tries to get
others to attack you in order to distract from themselves that's because they're a wicked person
but the second thing i want you to notice from the story is this that when someone tries to get
others to attack you in order to distract from themselves discerning people should be able to
see through that i mean here you have ahab wait stop what did that have to do with the verse that
we just read i have no idea first of all i don't even think point one was derived from scripture
i mean it might be true what he's saying but i feel like there's kind of a disconnect between
the bible story and the verses that he's reading and the points that he's making because he said
somebody threw a drew a bow at adventure and and killed ahab and then it's like here's the point
you know discerning people they're gonna know i thought the guy drew the bow at adventure he's
ran he just randomly fires it errors like ah and then it just hits a half well again his party
this is not supposed to believe that that archer like knew what he was targeting no his point his
point is this that um if if you're trying to to disguise yourself and you're trying to attack
other people then god has a way of getting you and yeah but that's not what he said you're you're
making that doesn't right now i know but that doesn't that doesn't necessarily translate into
this point it's just that's kind of where he was going with that well but here's the thing he is
right that discerning people will know that that's why discerning people will know that this whole
sermon is him deflecting from all of the concrete doctrinal things that he's been called out for
in the last few weeks and that it's just well you know he just pushes that button tranny tranny the
tranny don't forget about you know i guess yeah and we're going to get we're going to get more of
that here in a minute but don music kjv five dollars thank you bozarski doesn't preach to
quote hold fast in your marriage so he should just change his church name to quote she can leave
baptist church ot baptist ten dollars said everyone don't take not everyone donate 10 bucks come on
bro uh i i have to read a comment that was not um it was not it was not donation but it was just
he said pastor jimenez didn't call out pastor mehia because he's afraid he's a gang member
so all right let's keep going myself and you put on the king's robes and that way they'll attack you
and that'll get the attention off of me because i don't need anybody looking at what my kids are
doing and but but here's the funny thing is that when the captains of the chariots saw jehoshaphat
they said it is the king of israel so his plan is working perfectly they thought he was the king
of israel therefore they compass about him to fight but jehoshaphat cried out and the lord helped
him and god moved them to depart from him and it came to pass look at the words here in verse 32
when the captains of the chariots perceived that it was not the king of israel they turned back
again from pursuing him you know the truth of the matter is this that when someone tries to get
others to attack you in order to distract from themselves for discerning people it should be
pretty obvious i mean it should be pretty obvious like you just random you just had a random sermon
from two years ago that just came to light whatever that means i mean you've probably been having
that sermon in your back pocket this whole time just like the next time my kids are something that
embarrasses me i'm just gonna pull this out fake news and and you see you have this sermon that
just came to light you want to to attack but but here's the thing normal people think hmm so you
can be up all night posting random videos about pastor Jimenez till midnight the same week your
son came out of transfer you got nothing to say about that all right so let's pause again first
of all he said plenty of things hold on those pictures i thought those pictures are from
several weeks ago i don't know i mean i don't know what the timeline is but it's not an exact
timeline i might have a bad concept of time but i don't believe that those came out this week
they there's no way i mean i know i don't have a good concept of time but i can't be that far off
you know i'll have to i guess research that and figure out when they came out but again you're not
up all night making random videos and he knows that that's not true and he knows that he texted
your dad and he knows that you you came out right after that he's just he's the one distracting
from what the real narrative is here and then and he knows he's lying about this because he
knows that you weren't just up randomly making videos it's just you're responding to what he
actually said that he was gonna publicly call you out and publicly attack steve and then you're and
again it's not this random video it's a video that has recently come out after preaching against us
that's like hey it seems like this guy actually did have a problem with us so again his narrative
and his evil surmising is just not reality sorry plus why would you want to just why would you
just want to sell just just make videos just like here's another dumb thing my kid did here's
another tattoo here's another stupid thing they said here's another one so you're just supposed
to be on an endless campaign trail just every day just making a public video against your kids
i mean that's like that's like insane so apparently it was it was from 12 days ago
so i don't know for some reason i had it in my head i think it's just been kind of a long couple
weeks because we're moving and stuff so i have a bad concept time but yeah so it was it was from
12 days ago but yeah you want to know why i'm not getting up and talking about that those pictures
by Solomon is because they're embarrassing and humiliating for Solomon and i'm hoping that someday
Solomon will get right with God and so if Solomon someday gets right with God and once his frontal
lobe of his brain is fully developed realizes the stupid sins of his youth and the idiotic things
that he did in his youth you know i would hope that he would have a path forward and unfortunately
the more people spread that stuff around and talk about it it's going to be harder for him to ever
live that down if he ever gets right with God but Pastor Jimenez loves Solomon much more than i do
which is why he's making sure that the internet will never forget this and he's making sure that
and how many times has he said this at this point like at least 10 maybe i don't know but honestly
i find it bizarre that he thinks that i was trying to distract from it because again i didn't see it
having any traction anywhere no one was talking about it the only person who sent it to me
was amanda gander like as far as it coming up on my feed or anything like that you know like i said
his family sent it to my kid and my kid told me about it and then amanda gander posted it on my
ex timeline because she's a weird freak that just you know whatever enough said but the point is i
i didn't even think that this was a big thing because hardly anyone's talking about it that i
could see and so why would i want to draw attention to it or distract from it when to me it was just
kind of a nothing burger because it's like oh wow doing something wicked they already threatened to
do this they already said they were going to do this a year ago oh we're going to put on dresses
and just and just embarrass my dad or whatever and it's like i like i said i've already cut them out
of my life they're excommunicated from the church they're dead to me as even the father of the
prodigal son said my son was dead and is now alive so it's like no man i'm you know what
this is just what i do you know i preach truth and i defend my church and verity has been attacking
faithful word viciously and his members are just gross railers you know that's probably why they're
so offended by a sermon called people that are gross because they're gross and frankly this sermon
is gross we've got another super chat mr casque 10 bucks kind of off topic but i find it weird
that once the culture shift starts granting more leeway to hard preaching it seems like these guys
want to jump ship and go to softer camps bizarro logic pretty on point uh comment honestly david
nelson 10 bucks reading psalm 119 is like a whole episode of the baptist biased i don't know if
that's like a comment on how long our show is or i don't know what does that mean ben what does it
mean if pastor shellies preaching were a bible chapter it would be psalm 119 it would be psalm
119 i wonder ponder the ponder the but psalm 19 is like nice it's not like too over the top
it doesn't destroy you ponder the the cross too gives us five bucks he said i haven't seen much
from this guy but he's being super all caps super disrespectful and bitter really nasty stuff
also pastor anderson please do more long form content well i guess when you do it with pastor
shelly it's going to be long it's going to be long whether you like it or not uh oh sorry one more
comment we're going to keep going jordan baptist 40 bucks thank you amanda gander is a piece of
dollar sign hashtag exclamation mark plus sign and so is her wife josh i just read what was on the
cover i like when you just read the actual characters that are used to censor he will
read anything anything you will read anything like line like letter by letter about san diego all
right let's let's keep going go ahead i just wanted i just wanted to say that i also noticed
that after 2016 the preaching from his church was practically never about sodomites i don't
necessarily know why that's the case but i noticed that as well and of course you know i'm not i
don't say anything but i'm just thinking like that's a little bit odd and so i just found it
interesting that pastor anderson that you also had that same thought and noticed the same thing
my point is it wasn't just me well and here's the thing when when that happened in 2016 i was very
surprised when pastor Jimenez preached that sermon and i told him at the time i said listen man
you've always been my friend and i've always loved you and i've always loved your preaching
in your church but i just said i have so much more respect for you now pastor Jimenez now that you
like preach this sermon and that because because he'd never really done anything before or after
like that that was an anomaly because he had not raised hell before or after and so when he did
that and he preached that sermon my respect for him went way up because i was like oh wow pastor
Jimenez does have the guts to get up and raise hell because before that it was always kind of
known as like pastor Jimenez kind of the nicer softer version of pastor anderson and so we used
to joke about like he's the he's the he's pastor anderson for people who don't like pastor anderson
you know and so he's kind of like it's kind of like a good cop bad it's a good cop bad culture
type you know and and so i told him i'm like man i have so much more respect for you now that you
preach this hell-raising sermon and you stood by your guns and you made it through the persecution
and i'm just like i was like congratulating him and he's like he said you know man thank you i
really appreciate you saying that and i'm saying i already loved you and thought you were awesome
but now i just think you're super awesome because because you did this but but i was surprised that
he did that because it didn't really happen before or after it was kind of an anomaly
you know that's why i don't see his clips going viral over the last several years they don't come
up in my feed because in order for you in order to have the viral clips on tiktok and instagram and
stuff you have to preach hard that's the prerequisite i i do want to get some callers
too two three one baptist we're going to be getting the caller soon um i think pastor osmite did call
in if he calls in we can bring him on right away um just telling our crew that uh thanks to our
viewers we've had over 500 viewers live in the stream at one time i'm sure we've been a lot
more just coming and going thanks to our audience we're going to have the baptist bias show coming
up i think october 28th is going to be our first show of the season season six and we're going to
have a lot of shows going so it's going to be exciting to have the baptist bias back on a
regular basis tuesday nights 8 p.m this is kind of a special broadcast that we're doing tonight
obviously we didn't anticipate this at all but uh you know i think it's good to just kind of confront
things head-on we're not trying to distract away we're we're headed we're just right in the midst
of it we're listening to the whole thing yeah we're trying to distract from it so hard that
we're literally playing his sermon where he brings it up 40 times like yeah all right we should
probably play more of the sermon because i think there's a lot left i know i know we have like
eight minutes left or something which is an eternity so let's keep going no videos to say
about that but you got but you got to make sure everybody knows how bad prostrate menace is
look at how bad and very debaptist church is you know discerning people should be able to just see
through that and if you allow yourself and obviously i'm preaching the choir but if people
allow themselves to be distracted by this tactic you know what it's it's it is is that they are
evil too go to proverbs 28 if you don't mind if you have your place there in proverbs proverbs
chapter 28 because remember when someone tries to get others to attack you in order to distract
from themselves it's because they're wicked it's because they're a bad person but if you the
follower can't discern through that you know what the bible says the bible says it's because you're
evil too in proverbs 28 and verse 5 look at what the bible says proverbs 28 and verse 5 says this
evil men understand not judgment evil men understand not judgment but they that seek the lord
understand all things and it should be pretty easy to see like oh right we're making a big deal about
just this nothing when this stuff's happening over here that you want to make sure nobody sees
that you want to make sure people get distracted by let me say this not only do you have no one
sees that allow themselves to get distracted by this tactic not only are they evil but the people
that allow themselves to get distracted by this tactic they're also simple there's they just
don't understand go to second samuels chapter 15 second samuel chapter 15 and look at verse number
11 second samuel if you kept your place there in uh second chronicles you just go backwards
to second samuel 15 in verse 11 remember when absalom brought a rebellion against his father
the bible says in second chronicles 15 in verse 11 and with absalom went 200 men out of jerusalem
that were called and they went notice what the bible says here and they went in their simplicity
and they knew not anything all right let's stop for a second he's going to make a big parallel
this which it like to me it's such a funny the irony this because it's like you're going to say
all these people followed absalom absalom's the son who rebelled against his father and hated his
father so why are we not then attributing this story to all the people that sided with the kids
and said i stand with the kids and i side with the victims he's going to somehow say that we're
the 200 following david when he's literally reading a story where a son conspired against his dad and
attacked his dad and he's going to bring up these people salvation through faith give us a dollar
he said i bet the supreme's 30 minutes of people started walking out uh you know i do want to keep
the stream going so i want to keep comments about 10 seconds or so or 15 seconds and we're just
going to we're going to power through because we have a lot more time than i thought we had
i think pastor aus is on the line though so i want to give him a chance to give a shout out
pastor aus are you with us yes i am how you guys doing doing good we'll give you a few
minutes here if you want to say anything but i want to power through the rest of this sermon
once you get a chance to speak yeah so obviously it's really surprising and out of nowhere how
pastor shelly and i got kind of roped into this because in another video you guys haven't shown
this evening he kind of said at the end of his video that pastor shelly and pastor aus are low
character people and that he has no respect for us and whatever you know i'm always going to love
pastor Jimenez personally just for the investment that he's made in my life i've made that commitment
and i'm going to stick to that what really pisses me off is seeing people falsely accusing me of oh
i've turned on the person who got me saved or i've turned on this person that's invested me
but really that's complete and utter bull crap it's the opposite it's really he turned on us
he broke fellowship with us for absolutely no reason and i challenge ever any person listening
to this any person who goes to anchor baptist church or steadfast baptist church where i served
for four years if they have ever heard me say anything publicly or privately negatively about
pastor Jimenez it didn't happen because i've always had the utmost respect for pastor Jimenez
that's true anytime i've ever mentioned him from the pulpit it's always been positively even the
very day that he broke fellowship with us i mentioned him positively positively from the
pulpit and you could say well those people are biased because they're all pro pastor anderson
well you know you could also ask my father-in-law pastor thompson who yes he is pro pastor anderson
but he's still friends with pastor Jimenez too you could ask him and he knows he's someone i'm
very close with i've always spoken positively about pastor Jimenez but what what i'm finding
out is that i guess this was just a one-sided friendship and that it was fake because he's
told me to my face multiple times that he takes credit for me that he loves me that he supports
me he said if pastor Shelley didn't hire me that he would have and then all of a sudden i don't
know how you go from that to low character person no i have no respect for this person whatsoever
he's going to come after me you know whatever it's bull crap and i still love him i still
appreciate the things that he's done but my prayer in this whole situation is just that
good people are going to be carried away by those lies and that wicked people go ahead and just
believe those lies and stay far away from me because every single person that knows me
knows that i've always spoken positively of him yeah and pastor is a really positive person he
pretty much never speaks negatively about anyone but i mean there are people i mean obviously me
and him would would say privately like we didn't like pastor mcmurtry and we thought that he was
saying stupid things and whatever so it's not like there wasn't some negative feelings occasionally
but like but the pastor amenis no never and and it's not like i'm some person that i can't allow
my staff or other people to speak their mind people are able to speak their mind and are
able to be very transparent with me pastor aus has always been super positive towards him
i've never heard anything negative really good attitude and even to this day i still haven't
had that you know he put out this conspiracy theory that all of us were in this you know
conspiracy to try and attack him or like getting these talking points to attack him which is
complete nonsense it's complete ridiculousness you know pastor i don't believe pastor anderson's
ever given me a sermon to preach i could be wrong maybe i'm misremembering maybe you could correct
me i don't think pastor anderson's ever told me what to preach well actually pastor shelley and i
what we do we because you know this is what pastors do they make lists of sermon ideas right and what
happens is i make these lists sermon ideas and then as i preach the good ideas off the list
the list just gets worse and worse because it's just all the discarded crappy ideas that didn't
really work out and so every year or two pastor shelley and i give each other our list of like
bad ideas that we couldn't make work and so i give him my list and out of like 50 bad ideas
i give him and 50 bad ideas he gives me we'll each get like one or two that we're like oh i
can make this work this is a good idea so i mean i just don't think it ever came into fruition
i'm just saying like i don't believe i've ever preached even one of those i'm just saying like
but but i know the opposite's true i've told pastor inerson what to preach as far as like he
asked my opinion and i just said like hey i would you help preach on this topic when you come to my
church or something or hey i like this idea or we have conversations and i know he preaches a lot
of those things and you know it's it's so silly to me and it's so funny to me for people to always
put the opposite like i'm over here just doing whatever he tells me anybody that actually knows
pastor anerson knows that he says man i'm always looking for sermon ideas what do you got or what
are you thinking or you know what's something we could talk about and like people are constantly
feeding him ideas and he's just he's using that as a vehicle to like get something going so it's
it's silly to think that he's constantly giving us some ideas he can't he doesn't even know what
he's gonna preach he can't even figure out a sermon idea for himself like he's constant it's
like five minutes before he's gonna preach he doesn't even know what he's gonna preach how in
the world is he gonna tell us what to preach like it's like the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard
in my life uh you know the funny thing is you're not even kidding i know pastor how many times
have we told you what to preach never yeah no and and here's the thing is like during this whole
controversy for about a year a lot of ex new ifb preachers have been preaching terrible false
doctrine especially regarding feminism and preaching doctrines that i believe will truly
do damage and harm to real people and and that i believe has done damage to real people
and so yeah my job is a pastor my job is to preach the word of god and what i believe is right
and so you get people that try to stir up other pastors like oh you know could what he's saying
here be applying to something that you said in the past you know it's a really carnal person
first of all it's a really hateful person that tries to stir up strife between pastors but at
the end of the day people should be questioning is what is being preached through and that's all that
matters my personal conduct has always been that of high respect for pastor Jimenez i pray for his
good i pray for his family's good for his church is good okay have have i disagreed with some of the
things he's preached in the last year and some of the decisions that he's made yes but that does
not make me be someone that's turned on my mentor or that hates pastor Jimenez or is not respectful
to him at the end of the day my job is to preach the word of god and i'm not supposed to to cut
my preaching or shave my preaching to spare any person and i think any real pastor would agree
with that mentality well i preached with those comments and we're going to keep you on the line
i want to power through this sermon so you can stay with us if we have something to say let's
try to keep it really short 10 15 seconds if you can just talk over the clip because we still got
like 10 some minutes but let's let's let's get through this and hear i just wanted to give you
guys that i'll hop up hop off and just listen to you guys you're fine thanks for letting me talk
god bless thanks pastor aus god bless you have a good day check out pastor aus anchor baptist
church oklahoma city great preacher one more tip we just got in the last foeter one dollar so
grateful pastor anderson didn't crit so many people have been saved have sharpened up their
doctrine and are so winning because of him the world needs more pastors like pastor steven
anderson not less praying for you all right let's go with the let's go with the clip there's always
a group of people out there who are just simple who have no discernment and they just follow
people like obsalom i mean obsalom had 200 men when he was going to go and fight against david
that they just went in their simplicity and they knew not anything you know what every time pastor
anderson puts in makes a new post makes a new video puts out some new meme against me or other
godly men they're unfortunately there there are 200 simple people who are just ready to comment
and share it and love it yeah they're in the new ip archive group that's that's who's does
that every time you put some post out there and they are evil and simple and you should ask
yourself one second i have to read a comment ponder the cross to give us a dollar it's very
strange how the premise of the sermon is that our pastor's children are so evil meanwhile he's
taking their side sounds like someone goes to your church let's go keep going just so viciously like
i'm telling you when he's attacking me i mean it's it's not like like he makes a pose and then
the next it's like every 20 minutes i mean he's just obsessed i mean he's just like the psycho
girlfriend that's not taking the break of wealth i mean you know like i'm over here saying like i
think we should see other people i'm over here saying it's not me it's you i'm i'm i'm just saying
like look there's there's someone out there for you it's not me it's pastor shelly but you know
i'm just i'm just like like i'm sorry it's over and they're just not taking it well i mean just
obsessed just just obsessed i'm living just rent free in his brain and and it's like and the funny
thing is you know i'm just like this week my my wife's uh brother was here and we're taking him
out places and i'm thinking you know people are texting my wife all these things and i literally
like we're we're an old sack i'm like just eating ice cream i'm just eating ice cream and it's like
i'm just like over here just having a good time yeah pause again so again he knows he's lying
because he's acting like he's just over here eating ice cream and just attacking him because
your son not hey i was i was letting his dad know that i'm gonna publicly go after him and
now he's responding so again it's just it's total just gaslighting on the narrative not legitimate
keep going by the way let me just say something i've never made a meme in my life and i think that
any grown man especially that's really sad who spends time making memes they ought to be ashamed
and embarrassed of themselves but with that said you know i will say this that if anybody has a
good meme about a 45 year old man sitting in his basement making memes all night i i'd sure like
to see it okay wait a second i'm only 44 years old he just said that anybody who makes a meme
should be embarrassed and ashamed and don't do it and then he's like please make a meme and send
it to me that that's like that's like ridiculous it's like i said hey alcohol drinking alcohol is
bad i hope someone drinks some alcohol it's like that's such a stupid thing to say hey memes
anybody that makes memes a terrible person please make this meme and send it to me like talk about
hey i'm gonna make a meme from the princess i'm gonna make a meme from the princess bride
i've just taken one year off your life because i'm actually 44 not 45 so pastor emez tried to
suck a year out of my life keep going but you know this attack the attack is your birthday's
coming up look at this no don't look at the mess of my life let's attack this guy let's attack him
let he yeah he's saved he's a soul winner he's right on the king james he even believes everything
that the new ifb believes just not the weird doctrines not the new weird doctrines you know
just the standard new ifb not the new beating your wife doctrines and all that garbage all right
when do we preach that i mean if you think that the n and nifb should stand for normal you should
subscribe to our channel because i'm not i'm not going down this weird road yeah the archives are
very normal but you know the attack and then you've got the flying monkeys right like they
you know they're the flying monkeys and andrew loza maybe dancing to the rock music from the
nifb parodies of the people that like and they're all demanding like yeah pastor humenez why can't
i bring my unsaved grandmother to hear pastor shelly but you know so they're like what's the
answer what's the answer you preach the server okay here's the here's the answer you know people
they they want to know like why did you preach the sermon two years ago yes and i'm thinking
myself like i didn't i didn't hide it that's from he has stood in this pulpit and looked at me and
said hey i like that sermon you preached talking about that sermon but you know now it's like
william blah blah blah and and it's like why did you preach that sermon what's what's your answer
here's my answer my son's not a transvestite that's my answer oh is that a distraction because that's
why we're even talking about it why are we talking about that sermon you know why we're talking about
it because pastor anderson's son is a transvestite and needs to make sure that everybody's fighting
someone else so that they're distracted and they're not looking at him so you want to know the answer
for why i preach that sermon here's why i preach that sermon my son's not a transvestite that's the
answer and you know what we just had pastor bazarnsky preach here on sunday and the attack
against pastor bazarnsky is that he has a small church and you know what whole fast baptist church
they have like their church has like 30 sunday morning sunday night wednesday night soul winners
and that's okay hold up whoa what the heck 30 sunday morning sunday night wednesday night
soul winners that is an outright lie unless bazarnsky just had some dramatic growth spurt
i've been to that church several times that church is tiny they don't even have 30 people on sunday
morning there's no way when i was there there were like 15 people there and the church got smaller
every time i visited there is no way that they have 30 you know if you're watching this right now
and you've ever been to hold fast or if you go to hold fast right now or if your name is pastor
jimenez or pastor bazarnsky just ask yourself do you have 30 diehard members that are sunday
morning sunday night wednesday night and soul winning because you all know that's a lie your
sunday morning attendance is around 15 okay that's not a lot of people that can answer that question
i sure here's the thing here's the thing pastor and i'll leave out the possibility that perhaps
bazarnsky had this dramatic growth spurt where he just tripled the size of his church and now has
these 30 sunday night wednesday night uh soul winning diehards you know what i am open to being
proven wrong on this but as someone who has actually been to that church repeatedly this in
my opinion i believe this to be an outright lie and and again i just want the very baptist
church members to answer this question though i want very to answer this question this whole
sermon is pastor manhannis is really mature he addresses questions that are asked to him
so when someone asks him why did you say don't bring your bring people to hear pastor shelly
preach his answer is that pastor anderson sends a son of mine and the whole sermon is that when
people distract and hold on and let's just say how is this not the ultimate irony but hold on and
let's just also remind people that there is zero evidence of my son being a sodomite zero because
i believe that he is a saved christian i think he's a total idiot i think he's wicked i think
what he did is an abomination okay but to take that a step further and just declare that he is
for sure a reprobate or a sodomite or something you know i that's just a big leap in my opinion
yeah eric that dude gave us 10 bucks he said quote i don't want to live in a world where
you're not pastor end quote from pastor Jimenez talking to pastor anderson true words have never
been said salvation through faith give us a dollar said if only pastor menace was as cool as he told
pastor anderson he would be would have been better for him god take vengeance um let's let's keep
going he got some more like he's going to hit this bell a lot and they just want to mock that
and make fun of that and say that he's a failure because he has 30 people in his church you say
what do you have to say about that well you know here's what i have to say about it that's what i
have to say about it i mean you want to attack this man it's like well have you considered the
fact that his son is on transvestite why did you take your teenager and hold on you know the context
of the attack on pizarnsky was that pizarnsky literally got up and said if people aren't
following you you're a bad leader and the fact that people aren't following you that proves that
your leadership is wrong and that you're a bad leader meanwhile the church has gotten smaller
under his leadership there were more people when the church started than there are right now
facts so i was basically just pointing out the fact that bro if if bad leader means people don't
follow you then you're a bad leader by your own definition because your church is the incredible
shrinking church besides this lie claiming that he has 30 sunday morning sunday night wednesday
night soul winners so i mean if you have in your church 30 sunday morning sunday night wednesday
night so i mean the sunday morning attendance must be 50 because we i mean we're all gonna have like
sunday morning glories that just kind of show up on sunday morning right okay anyway i'm taking too
much time but anyway keep going value is coming well look i don't know a lot about dr trevor and
i'm not i'm not defending him i like i don't know a lot about him but i i do know this his son's not
a transvestite so what do you think about that you know i mean somebody told me somebody showed
me like this uh this post that i think pastor mcmurtry or mrs mcmurtry they put out and it
said if this was one of the mcmurtry kids you know feels like a mcmurtry kid putting out these
pictures like we would not hear the end of it and and they're right they wouldn't hear the end of
it you know and look the as far as the pastor mcmurtry obviously we've had our differences
over the years i mean i think at this point it's probably just all water under the bridge
but here's what i can tell you about pastor mcmurtry his son's not a transvestite okay so
again mcmurtry it's all forgiven the reason why he preached against treiber is because his son's
not a transvestite the reason why the mcmurtry stuff's watered on the bridge because his son's
not transvestite and and if mcmurtry his son was doing something similar to what your kids did
we would quote never hear the end of it while he sits here and we never hear the end of him
bringing this up in his sermon so how is even better than what he's even claiming we would be
like he can't stop talking about this and brings this up repeat like this is ad nauseam this is
disgusting and weird and bizarre from to just bring it up just this this many times like and
we're not even done let's keep going and he was offended by the red hot preaching conference the
beat into a pulp that that we laughed about the absurdity of claiming that nifb wives are
supposedly being beaten to a pulp and so i joked about it and called it pulp fiction i think i got
that from pastor thompson but but but the point is that you know his church members keep laughing
about someone dressing in drag they seem to think it's real funny wow right let's go and it's real
it's not a made-up story it's real yeah it's actually a real person like we can actually
put a name on it solomon versus just this mythical pulp woman yeah let's go like i why don't you stop
and and and consider that you know well pastor burzins he could have done a better job at clearly
articulating when he was giving a testimony whether it was his wife or whether it was him that heard
the testimony okay whatever he just lied yeah he could have probably done a better job at clearly
articulate he just lied here's what i like about pastor burzins is that he's not a transvestite
well and they want to mock pastor robinson because he said that he got teary-eyed or whatever when
he saw merriam's video and okay but at least he's not a transvestite so are these like verbal gaps
here why don't you talk about that instead of pulling out some sermon that i preached two years
ago trying to attack me why don't you deal with that well here's here's why here's why because
we're pulling out sermons that you preached feminist crap that you preached because there's
a doctrinal issue at stake and so we're trying to teach people sound doctrine because we don't want
people leaving their wives and we don't want wives leaving their husbands like in your church
where people leave their spouse and you back their play and throw out the person who's a victim so
you know the bottom line is that we are dealing with a doctrinal issue why do we why don't you
want to talk about that why don't you want to talk about cross-dressing because we've already
preached about cross-dressing and we're going to continue to preach about it and we're also going
to call out your feminist bs because well again it's not like you didn't address the kid issue
that's that's that's the elephant it's like what do you mean you've preached for for months on this
they got mad at you for saying you're preaching too much about it and then he's acting like you
didn't even dress it you didn't bring it up he's like won't you dress your kids like you haven't
addressed your kids well on what insanity is this on my ex account less than a week ago
i put up a post and i posted deuteronomy 22.5 a woman shall not wear that which pertain to a man
neither shall a man put on a woman's garment all that do so are an abomination before the lord thy
god and i said every i said it should be illegal to cross dress in public and at a very minimum
businesses should be allowed to refuse service to anyone in drag because of the fact that if they
can say no shoes no shirt no service i would much rather be in a restaurant or a store with a dude
with no shirt and no shoes on than with somebody dressed in drag so i've continued to to rip on
cross dressing what did you do with that issue folks is there a pastor in america that has
preached harder against sodomites and transvestites than muah so i don't see how i'm not dealing with
those issues you know and again not not to imply that my son is a sodomite because he isn't
but the point is i have preached about these things i will continue but i'm also going to
preach against the feminist bs that says that wives can leave their husbands husbands can leave
their wives and that's going to back the play of someone who's leaving their spouse and throw the
person who's begging for reconciliation out of the church and i don't care what that guy has done i
don't care what oh oh you don't know and blah blah blah i do know and the bottom line is i don't make
feminine emotional decisions about which person i like more that's not the way to rule in the
house of god you know what right is right and wrong is wrong when you have a christian couple
and one person's leaving and the other person's begging for them to stay the person who's leaving
is wrong period full stop i'm done well why don't you address that i want people to tell me why
don't you address the fact that your answer at this point he hasn't answered anything he's just
he's just shifting the blame before eldest children have conspired to destroy your ministry to
destroy your marriage and then you want to get mad at me because i didn't defend you how do you defend
that what defense is there for that i mean people want to say well uh people's children get you know
go wayward yeah you know what people's children go wayward that's true people have children that
grow up in church and they grow up and they leave the church and they get vaccine yeah that's true
but you know what people don't just raise transvestites and people don't just where you're
muted or something can't hear you and we can't hear you oh yeah people's people's kids you know
they grow up and go wayward but they don't grow up in cross dress okay but you know what people's
kids grow up in a godly home and they literally try to murder their father absalom they literally
rape their half-sister amnon they literally human traffic their brother pan of jacob's children
what they literally have sex with their dad's concubine rubin they literally murder a whole
town simian and levi they literally go to a prostitute juda i mean what is he talking about
like the bible is filled and you know what here's what my challenge to the hater crowd is this show
me the bible verse that says that parents are responsible for what their adult children do
because i can show you the exact opposite where the bible says you cannot chastise the parents
for the children and the children for the parents every man bears his own sin and the only person
who gets blamed for their bad kids in the bible is eli because he didn't restrain them you know
because they're under his authority and he's not restraining them and when my kids are under my
authority i do i do restrain them i did restrain them you know so where's the bible basis for this
how many more minutes do we have of this is it just like three or four i don't know if there's
really anything left of this i mean it's just kind of four minutes left let's just let's just let's
just watch this four minutes and then we'll make comments we're just going to end it four of their
oldest the only children that are out of the house all of them hate you hate your family want to
destroy your ministry want to destroy your man but you're too busy being the police of the whole
world making sure everybody knows that strong mean is actually about why don't you deal with
your family why don't you mind your business you know when someone tries to get others to attack
you in order to distract from themselves it's because they're wicked and when someone tries
to get others to attack attack you in order to distract from themselves discerning people
should be able to see through that and discerning people can see through that go back to second
chronicles chapter 18 second chronicles chapter 18 look at verse 33 second chronicles chapter 18
and verse 33 the bible says and a certain man drew a bow at a venture the word venture here
means randomly without specific aim there's just a guy out there and he's just i mean they're in a
battle but he's not like targeting anybody he's just he drew a bow loud an arrow to go out at a
venture notice what the bible says here and smote the king which one the king of israel not
jehoshaphat jehoshaphat was wearing the robes of the king jehoshaphat ahab had put a target on
jehoshaphat and said hey look everyone look at jehoshaphat everybody attacked jehoshaphat
but the bible says here that a certain man drew a bow at a venture and smote the king of israel
between the joints of the harness is that what is that referring to the joints of the harness
it's referring to the parts of the harness where the pieces met i mean likely like the breast
plate and and the shoulder pieces and just right in that area where the armor met because he wears
the armor so that if an arrow hits him it'll protect him but there's just a little gap where
the armor met and the bible tells us that just a certain man drew a bow out of venture and smoked
the king of israel between the joints of the harness therefore he said to his chariot man
turn thine hand that thou mayest carry me out of the host for i am wounded and the battle increased
that day albeit the king of israel stayed himself up in his chariot against the syrians until the
even and about the time of the sun going down knows the words here the bible says you know when
someone tries to get others to attack you in order to distract from themselves it's because they're
wicked and when someone tries to get others to attack you in order to distract from themselves
discerning people should be able to tell the difference and see through that let me just say
this as well when someone tries to get others to attack you in order to distract from themselves
god's judgment will get them in the end i mean ahab had a pretty good strategy here his strategy
was put the target on jehoshaphat get the attention on jehoshaphat get everybody attacking
jehoshaphat right so that's it and i want to make a couple comments uh two three one baptist i know
our crew we've put our crew through the ringer so we're not going to keep this going forever but
we might take a couple quick calls if you're calling just ask a question so just we'll just
hear a question we're not going to take a lot of comments um but if you want to if you want to ask
a question we'll try to get through them uh one thing he says why don't you focus on your family
oh like him his kids sending you stuff about your family like that that's not focusing on
your family but you know it's interesting he's saying your strategy is just basically attack
past tremendous distract from your family issues but here's the thing for six months you didn't
attack him why are you employing the strategy now all of a sudden randomly and just conveniently
when he went publicly nuclear and just started calling us out by name so how is it our strategy
was to just sit here and wait for pastor minutes to finally just publicly call us out and then
respond is our strategy of this like ahab thing or whatever to shift blame we never have anything
he's the ahab in the story where he's the one shifting all the blame what's going on in his
church to pastor anderson and trying to make it about his son doing something stupid and then
making like over-the-top claims about him everybody else he didn't you know he didn't
shut down the red hot preaching conference pastor shelly's bad sermon shut down the red hot preaching
conference and we're not answering questions oh wait maybe it's he that didn't answer a single
question maybe it's him that didn't answer the question of why he preached against us maybe it's
him that didn't answer the question of why he preached against treiber and now he's changing
his position on that maybe it's him that needs to ask the question of like why is it water under
the bridge of the mercury all of a sudden randomly you know why is he not answering any of these
questions and then making a whole sermon about how we won't answer questions like the irony is
palpable it's just totally ridiculous and i you know anybody that falls for this kind of sermon
just wants to be a hater or is a hater like they're not there's there's no truth in this
sermon virtually it's just a bunch of slander evil surmising i can't even believe it i can't even
believe this is pastor menace this is a different person i i love pastor menace and he was such a
he's been such a great guy and i just don't even know what's going on right now but i do know this
king saw he kind of turned into a different person and he said about other people he said oh they're
all conspiring against me when king saw was drowning and king saw was going downhill he just
started evil surmising and saying everyone's conspiring against him and then that's what
pastor menace says he says everybody's conspiring against him he says we're having all these meetings
and we're just trying to make him look bad and blah blah blah look if pastor menace had never
come out and trashed us leaving the new ifb and done any of this stuff none of this stuff would
have happened quit allowing him to change the narrative and make it something that it's not
this is just his convenient excuse to look seem like there's something else this is the distraction
what you just said is just a fact that he preached that sermon where he came out against the nifb
publicly by name and before that i was 100 positive about him from the pulpit
publicly and even privately in my church i was saying look obviously pastor himenez let me down
he broke his word to me but i still think he's a great pastor i still think he's a great christian
we were always kind to him all the while his church members are trashing me railing on me
slandering me i was trying to be nice about it and the thing is the fact is that he attacked us first
by name in that sermon and said he's never going to be friends with us again and he's never going
back on his decision and that the new ifb is bad and whatever well then you know and then he just
acts like oh they're just attacking me to draw attention away from public it's like you said
wouldn't that strategy have made a lot more sense like when the scandal was actually even
a thing because honestly that was a huge blow up last year and these photos on instagram were
literally like on almost no one's radar i would say that probably 90 some percent of people are
hearing about this the first time from pastor jimenez and had not heard about these photos
until pastor jimenez brought them up 75 times i mean it was it was a lot and and it's just the
irony of hey the people that distract away from what's really going on are wicked is is just
it's palpable and i mean again i'm not i'm not against pastor jimenez i wish he would just wake
out of his stupor i wish he would just take responsibility for what's going on and and this
is just this is weird it's weird to see this it doesn't make sense i don't know why i'm a weasel
if i'm a weasel why don't you just tell us all why don't you just prove it prove it why don't you
just explain it um i notice when people are well he is once he's done with me then then he's gonna
go after you and quote dillon so you know well i guess i need you to survive i just need you to
survive well i don't think he's ever gonna get to you guys because he says like when i'm done with
pastor anderson whatever like he thinks he's gonna take me down or something news flash pastor
Jimenez there is not even one person at faithful word baptist church who gives a crap what you
think about anything okay our church has over 300 people in it and none of them gives a crap about
what you think and none of them listens to you or cares about you and if they do and they want to
side with this weird gross crash out sermon then they can hit the road jack and don't you come back
i wouldn't even want people like that in my church whereas i also know for a fact that that probably
half of pastor Jimenez's church still loves and supports me i believe that and you know i don't
see how they could continue to go to verity after listening to the person who got them saved or that
taught them so much who even mentored their pastor get trashed like this from the pulpit
this low blow about just bringing up and just doing a victory lap about this thing and you know
maybe you're not willing to say this pastor Shelley but i do think that everyone should
leave verity baptist i don't recommend the church i think the church is becoming a trash can
and you should not go to church with these rotten gossiping railers and your pastor has lost all
integrity and i do think people should leave and honestly i'm disappointed with anybody who stays
at this church because it's it's it's gross you should get out unless and unless if past three
minutes repents and gets rid of this evil faction from his church if the church disciplines the
railers then i would recommend verity again if you would church discipline the railers and actually
preach hard sermons and actually go back to the way he was but no i don't recommend and i do think
that people should leave and that's where i stand and it is what it is i mean when it comes to
this situation i i do believe i have people in my church that like pastor menes and care about him
and you know he's been a big help to us and it's just sad it's just sad to see it's sad to witness
it's confusing but it's not confusing when you realize that people that go down this road
do the same things and i think i think most people want to just pretend like it's not happening i
think people want to just act like you know there must be some other explanation but there's
something there's something wrong there's something wrong pastor him in his had a bad spirit in the
sermon he's had a bad spirit for a while he's not separating from us from a legitimate reason
he's not answering questions he did exactly what he said in the sermon that was wrong is
distracting away what's really going on and you know it's a shame i i don't want people to leave
i just want him to get better and i want him to change but obviously if a church turns into a
trash can obviously if a church just turns into just a hate cult against the new ifb and it's
just going to rail against the new ifp and there's just no you know there's not anything positive
happening and there's a better option i think people should always go to the best church in
the area and i've always said that if verity is the best church in the area go to verity if if
there's another church that's a better church so you're going to do more soul winning more bible
reading you're going to have a better spirit then you should go there i've said that about steadfast
i've said that about every church you know i strive to be a church that's going to help people grow
and and we all need to just be willing to go to the church that's going to do you know the right
thing i think that you know that loyalty is important and i think staying with your church
even at times is important but if your pastor is going to just drive the bus off a cliff
you know at some point you know you can leave right isn't that what they taught us hey she can
leave you can leave or whatever hey let me just tell you something uh did you know that she can
leave did you know and no one's going to chase after you according to the pastors aren't you
saying he will not chase after you it's not afghan you don't want it to be here's the bottom line
i would much rather be recommending verity right now you know and no no shade on any other good
churches and there are great churches in the sacramento area but i'd rather be up here
recommending verity like i've done for the last 15 years promoting verity pushing verity and here's
the thing i've already known that pastor kyle conley and pioneer baptist church were post-trip
pre-wrath and anti-zionist and i've loved pastor conley for years but you know the reason that i
wasn't promoting pioneer or recommending pioneers just because i was just busy promoting and
recommending verity and pioneer is already thriving and doing great without my help you know i was
trying to promote pastor jimenez's church because that was the church that i believed in the most
and that i was really pushing but i've met pastor conley and found him to be super cool and i've
told pastor jimenez repeatedly over the years i said you know what you should be friends with
pastor conley you should reach out to pastor conley he's a great guy he's he's come around
on these doctrines he's shown himself to be a man of integrity and so forth and and pastor
jimenez just always had just this irrational hatred for him and was just always super negative
toward him and just wanted nothing to do with him and he and and he could never articulate it
to me explain it to me now all of a sudden he's real good at articulating it you know and and again
he is outright slandered if you want to know if pastor jimenez has integrity and tells the truth
watch the video called pastor jimenez slanders pioneer baptist church it's a 10 minute video
and i will i defy anyone to watch that video and say yep pastor jimenez is telling the truth i
challenge you to do that okay and and the bottom line is that he has demonized pioneer frankly
because pioneer is a thriving successful church in his area that has a lot of great doctrine
and he just wants to have the corner on the market but you know what that's a wrong attitude
because i want to i want to help other pastors in my area succeed i had a church member tell me hey
i'm gonna leave because this other guy's starting a church in chandler called old path baptist
church and i like this guy and he's my friend and i want to help him you know get this church off
the ground i'm just like great go with god you know and the pastor from old path in chandler
visited our church i found him to be super cool he was a nice guy when i met him i don't know
much about him but when i met him i've nothing negative to say about that church i encouraged
my church member yeah go ahead and go there be a blessing help him out sounds great um i've i've
you know i've loved pastor cowling for years and here's the thing pastor cowling doesn't want to
be my friend but i've called up pastor cowling over the years and talked to him at times and
he's always super nice to me he's always telling me hey keep up the great work and and don't change
and and he's always been respectful and kind to me and i love him as a brother in christ i believe
that he loves me as a brother in christ he doesn't want to be my friend that's okay like he doesn't
have to be my friend i still am going to recommend his church to anyone who lives in that area you
know now our church is a little further away because we just moved into phoenix and i had a
church member come up to me and say hey i don't you know i don't think i'm going to be able to
make the drive because it was already kind of pushing it on how far i was driving you know
what's that church that you recommend oh yeah valley baptist kevin kelling check it out it's
a great church you know what i mean like like it's about the work of christ and you know we
shouldn't demonize the other churches in our area and i'm sure you could do the same thing
pastor shelly and say that there are viable churches in the dfw area that people could go
to if they don't there's churches that my members go to i've recommended their conferences i'm
friends with some of the pastors here i talk to them but again also you know pastor cowling just
randomly tomorrow just preaches a whole sermon against pastor anderson by name is it not fair
that he would be willing to like at least respond and it's like you know these guys act like they're
leaving quietly i'm leaving quietly by preaching whole sermons against you by name and saying why
i don't like you and trashing you and then it's like we respond and then we're again the bad guys
it's just it's just kind of silly like where's where's the evidence of pastor shelley just
preaching against pastor minnis by name and just trashing him and doing all this different stuff
like where's the how is it leaving quietly to get up and lie and gaslight and rewrite history and
say you know we've never been a new ife fan club and i and i definitely am not a fan of the new ife
now i've never been a fan i'm definitely not a fan i don't like the new ife i don't want anything
to do with them and everything and then not even saying why but just saying they're bad i don't
like them i want nothing to do with them i'm breaking fellowship with them and then you don't
even say why how is that leaving quietly you know what that is that's just leaving it up to
people's imaginations and then but but oh but we don't have to leave it up to their imaginations
because then his little attack dogs will come online and say pastor anderson beats his wife
pastor anderson's a wife beater if you support pastor anderson you must beat your wife too
f stephen anderson stephen anderson's a faggot stephen anderson's a bitch and then i say to
pastor you know Jimenez hey you know do you think it's right for your people to be doing this i
said you have to put a stop to this this is railing by any definition how is this not railing and then
it's just like oh i can't control what people do online and uh i'm just not on social media and uh
half my church isn't on social media you have you pastor one of the most gossipingest churches in
existence but they're not on social media right buddy and neither is your family and neither is
your church and you guys aren't on there yeah freaking right that's just a cop out for him to
just let his church members run amok like i'm not on social media well you sure were on social media
pastor Jimenez when you were slandering pioneer you typed up that social media post slandering
pioneer i call that pastor Jimenez's first day on the internet because he went on there and just
crashed out and made a fool of himself by lying about pioneer and the post is still up to this
day he hasn't taken down his lying post go check it right now it's still there on the verity baptist
page ben you've been really patient this evening and i wanted to give you a chance to get some
thoughts in here you can go back to anything that we've said uh new ifb gave a dollar said
can't leave the chat yet pastor shirley just finished his intro courtesy of dawn music in
the chat lol i don't know what any of that means but i just i just read it so then thoughts yeah
you'll read it right you'll read anything no i appreciated the chance to to listen to this
and i will say that it's obvious one of the goals i mean they've stated it of the enemy
in this situation was to get pastor anderson to step down that has not worked thank god he's
still the pastor i want you pastor anderson to continue pastoring until you are so old that your
voice box doesn't work i'm not sure if that happens to old people but you know what keep
going never stop preaching and i think i represent thousands and thousands and thousands of people
online who agree with that you say you have support in your church well make no mistake about it
you have support outside of the church outside of your church as well in the online world and i
think another goal that the enemy has too though wasn't just to get you to step down but also to
isolate you to get your friends now former friends to turn on you to throw you under the bus for the
purpose of demoralization to make you feel isolated to make you feel like you have no allies but here's
the thing about it these pastors who have done that whether they want to acknowledge it or not
whether they even know it or not they're playing right into that goal right into that agenda
they in fact i would say this are aiding and abetting in the persecution because that's what
this is they are aiding and abetting in the persecution of a christian husband a christian
father a christian pastor and his wife they're pouring salt in the wound aiding and abetting in
that wickedness and providing moral support for people who want to destroy your church
they want to destroy other soul-winning churches as well i find that to be repulsive i'm extremely
upset by it i've tried not to go nuts on the on the stream tonight to keep things professional
but it it pisses me off to no end and i will just end with this i'm extremely disappointed
in what verity baptist church has become a someone who's followed it from afar and admired it for
years very disappointed i'm gonna give you another chance here to comment we're gonna we're gonna
we're gonna end it here so pastor anderson will give you a chance to give some final comments
and then i'm gonna i'm gonna sound off but um you know look yeah obviously there's gonna be
before i before i get over i just i'm gonna say you know look obviously this isn't fun we don't
like this we don't necessarily want to do this but we're gonna confront controversy i think good
comes out of every controversy gives us a chance to all get better to learn more to call out trash
and to separate ourselves from things that are just you know rotting and decaying at the side
i mean there's tons of just people that have been kicked out railers haters whatever and they're
just like like liking and loving all of these videos of pastor amenez and stuff and look when
every single person has been kicked out and oneness and a hater and a freak and a weirdos liking your
videos you have to realize you're just not on the right side of things.
That was the biggest face bomb. Super ironic. Just total trash. Trashing Pastor Oz has nothing to do
with this whole conversation. It's just like insane. Just literally insane. I don't see how
anybody can support this. Pastor Anderson, give us some final comments. We're going to end the
show. It's been a long show. Yeah, the last thing that I want to say is just that, you know,
Pastor Jimenez was my best friend for over 20 years before he decided to just drop me as soon
as I became a liability. But you know what? Honestly, I've already replaced Pastor Jimenez
in my life with better friends, because, you know, after this whole controversy and through
all of this ordeal, I've gotten a lot closer to some of my other pastor friends, most notably,
probably Pastor Shelley and Pastor Thompson. And I can honestly say right now that my friendship
with Pastor Shelley and my friendship with Pastor Thompson is better than my friendship with Pastor
Jimenez ever was. It's a much more meaningful friendship. It's more of a two-way street,
whereas with Pastor Jimenez, for 20-some years, he'll even tell you this. I was always the one
to call him. I was always the one to text him. I was always the one to reach out and make plans.
It was a little bit one-way. You know, so God's always got something better for you. And so,
we have a bunch of great pastor friends and it's not just Pastor Shelly and Pastor Thompson. I've
got Pastor Mejia. I've got Pastor Oz. I've got Pastor Russell. I've got Pastor Reyes. You know,
and that's just in the United States. Obviously, we have other great pastor friends even abroad.
You know, Pastor Jim Weeb, Pastor Oscar Peter Bogart and everything. You know, and I'm sure
I'm leaving people out. But, you know, we still have an awesome circle of friends and we could
easily put on a Red Hot Preaching Conference and just raise the roof and peel the paint off the
walls with hard preaching with our crew. Can you really say that for the other side? Okay. And again,
God is blessing. You know, remember, oh, in Pastor Jim Menah's sermon, the bow was drew at
adventure and, you know, God's going to judge the bad guy here. Okay, well then, let's see which
rod buds. Let's see who God blesses. We'll see. Does God continue to bless our churches like he
has for the last year where we're growing, thriving, and doing great works while these
other churches are shrinking, struggling, and on life support in many cases? Okay. Well, let's see
which rod is going to bud. Who's God going to bless? And frankly, if God's not going to
bless my ministry, if God doesn't want me in the ministry, then I don't want to be in the ministry.
But you know what? God has shown me sign after sign after sign that he wants me doing this job
and that he believes in me. And I do believe that God is on my side and he believes in me and is
blessing me. And that is why I will continue to do this work. And I do hope to preach until I'm 90.
And after my voice box stops working, then I'll just do like, I guess, like a who is that like
Bob Dylan style where I'm just, you know, throwing the cards or whatever, and just I'll have to
preach like that, I guess. Well, I kind of like the idea of there being another red hot preaching
conference that I can destroy or at least preach too hard at. So, you know, I've already taken one
down. I don't know if I can do it again or not. But look, I mean, this is just it's kind of a sad
video. It's a sad stream in a sense, but it's also just, it's necessary. I think we're not afraid of
can, you know, we're not afraid of addressing controversy. I think sometimes people have to
realize we don't always want to bring everything up because it's just embarrassing and weird and
the Bible says love cover the multitude of sins. I think we would all just appreciate not having
to bring up this transvestite picture or something or this picture of someone dressing inappropriate
or being effeminate or whatever it is. I don't think we wanted to bring that up, but we didn't
shy away from it. We just didn't want to bring it up 50 times to just try and distract away from
our problems and our issues while preaching Old Sermon about not distracting. It's the ultimate
irony. And again, whenever you're on the wrong side, you're going to preach stupid stuff. You're
going to preach heresy. You're going to preach carnal things. You're going to preach dumb things.
You're going to just make all kinds of weird mistakes. Being disloyal, you're going to
reap what you sow. At the end of the day, I don't want these things. I feel like we never see it,
but if someone gets stinking, just wake up and just realize you're wrong, apologize, get it right.
It'd be nice to see the restoration. I think that there could be restoration. We're not the type of
people over here saying, "We're done with you forever. We want nothing to do with you. We hope
you just crash and burn. You're low character, blah, blah, blah. You're a weasel." Who's the one
name calling? Who's the one giving a road and a pathway to recovery? You know, I'm for my
Baptist brethren. I'm going to spend all of eternity with them. We might as well make the
best of it as we can now. But at the same time, if people are going to lie and slander and attack
and do all this stuff, they better know. Yeah, the Texas podcast, that little Texas podcast,
that little FBBF conference or whatever, you might get name dropped. You might get called out.
if you're severely obese, you might get called gross. If you haven't showered, you might get
called out as gross. And you know what? If you're spiritually getting fat and you're spiritually not
taking showers, you also might get called out as being gross. And you know what? That sermon was
gross. It was a disgusting play of abuse behind the pulpit. It was an actual damage control sermon.
It was slander. It was a distraction. It was unreasonable. It was ridiculous. And you know
what? The person that should be embarrassed from that sermon is not Solomon. It's the person that
preached it. And again, obviously Solomon should be embarrassed for what he did. But you know,
that sermon is not the embarrassment. The embarrassment is the person who preached that
sermon because it was just a complete train wreck. And I can see why people don't want me to come
and preach at the conference because maybe I'm a little crass. But you know what? It's the
Baptist bias that we've got. And you know, we've never been anything different. We're not going in
an odd direction, folks. This next week, we're having the Bahamas missions trip. Please pray for
it. And I told my whole church and I told all our leaders, I said, look, we're doing a big work.
We're getting a lot of people saved. We have a big missions trip and I expect weird attacks,
crazy things to happen. I don't know if it's a coincidence that the week right before this,
it's getting slandered as this low character weasel and all this nonsense, destroyer of red hot,
all these ridiculous things right before we go on the Bahamas missions trip. Look, there's going
to be a real battle, a real fight. You never know who's going to do it. And look, King Saul attacked
David. He was thinking everybody's conspiring against him. He was a kind of a drowning man.
And so he just lashed out at everyone around him. Who's the one that's getting a lot of people saved
and thriving and preaching great sermons? And who's the guy just lashing out, drowning,
losing people in the droves, and just causing people to be so confused about what he believes
and stands on and not answering questions? I think we know who's on which side of this.
And you know what? The truth fears no investigation. Let's just all get on the side of truth.
It's been a long stream. Thanks to our viewers. We have a big fan base. We had over 500 people
on the stream. We had a ton of people coming in. Thanks to Pastor Oz for calling in. We're going
to be having the Baptist bias this month. We're going to start off season. I think it's six,
maybe. I've lost count, but new season coming up, season five. That was what I'm told. I don't know.
Season five of the Baptist bias. It's coming back Tuesday nights, 8 PM. You don't want to miss it.
We've got a lot of cool shows and some guests and things coming down the pike. I'll probably
bring Pastor Anderson back for at least one of the episodes. Not sure when yet, but I'm looking
forward to October 28th. Put it on your calendar. Look, everyone's got a perspective out there,
but you know what? You need to get the Baptist Bias.