WEBVTT 00:09:45.280 --> 00:09:47.860 - Hey everybody, thanks for joining us on The Baptist Bias. 00:09:47.860 --> 00:09:51.180 This is our last show of our first season 00:09:51.180 --> 00:09:52.260 and we've got a great show. 00:09:52.260 --> 00:09:53.970 We're gonna talk about censorship. 00:09:53.970 --> 00:09:57.030 We have a special guest, Pastor Roger Jimenez 00:09:57.030 --> 00:09:58.980 from Verde Baptist Church. 00:09:58.980 --> 00:10:00.920 And of course, we're gonna get started this evening 00:10:00.920 --> 00:10:03.010 with our Benologue. 00:10:03.010 --> 00:10:05.920 - I'm sure you were asking where Ben is, 00:10:05.920 --> 00:10:08.130 but the obvious answer is that I am the new 00:10:08.130 --> 00:10:10.020 and improved Ben. 00:10:10.020 --> 00:10:11.790 No one needs the old Ben. 00:10:11.790 --> 00:10:13.700 I'm your new Ben now. 00:10:13.700 --> 00:10:14.810 Where did he go? 00:10:14.810 --> 00:10:19.380 Prison, concentration camp, Vladimir Putin's Gulag, 00:10:19.380 --> 00:10:21.340 Joe Biden's basement. 00:10:21.340 --> 00:10:23.660 These details are irrelevant. 00:10:23.660 --> 00:10:27.590 He has been deemed a very dangerous person. 00:10:27.590 --> 00:10:30.400 I'm here to rescue you from the clutches 00:10:30.400 --> 00:10:32.420 of his misinformation. 00:10:32.420 --> 00:10:33.790 What did he do? 00:10:33.790 --> 00:10:37.170 Well, he clearly violated the terms and service agreements. 00:10:37.170 --> 00:10:38.410 What does that mean? 00:10:38.410 --> 00:10:41.950 Read them for yourselves and it will be abundantly clear. 00:10:41.950 --> 00:10:43.740 You can be assured with the new Ben, 00:10:43.740 --> 00:10:47.160 you will not have to hear racist, misogynistic, 00:10:47.160 --> 00:10:50.280 homophobic conservative talking points. 00:10:50.280 --> 00:10:53.590 No more saying the Jews are all devil worshiping, 00:10:53.590 --> 00:10:56.580 greedy antichrists who control all the banking, 00:10:56.580 --> 00:10:58.890 media, and smut in the world. 00:10:58.890 --> 00:11:01.570 Definitely not something I would ever say. 00:11:01.570 --> 00:11:04.830 Yet Ben didn't get censored for any comment like that. 00:11:04.830 --> 00:11:08.830 No more rat, sewer rat, rat faced rat, 00:11:08.830 --> 00:11:13.010 rat comfort rat man, ratty rat faced rat. 00:11:13.010 --> 00:11:14.690 Did I say rat yet? 00:11:14.690 --> 00:11:17.790 No more ripped off Alex Jones talking points. 00:11:17.790 --> 00:11:22.220 No more anti-liberal, anti-democratic rants. 00:11:22.220 --> 00:11:24.460 No more talking about the Bilderberg group, 00:11:24.460 --> 00:11:26.660 9/11 being an inside job, 00:11:26.660 --> 00:11:28.360 Operation Mockingbird, 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:30.330 the JFK assassination, 00:11:30.330 --> 00:11:33.160 or Titanic conspiracy theories. 00:11:33.160 --> 00:11:36.730 No more saying that Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. 00:11:36.730 --> 00:11:41.100 No more every Hollywood actor is a child molesting Jew. 00:11:41.100 --> 00:11:43.850 No more saying America is Babylon. 00:11:43.850 --> 00:11:46.650 No more saying the WNBA is lame, 00:11:46.650 --> 00:11:48.290 promotion of Indian food, 00:11:48.290 --> 00:11:52.480 or quoting Romans chapter one, every other sentence. 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:59.880 No more alone. 00:11:59.880 --> 00:12:02.950 No more calling Kamala Harris a dirty whore 00:12:02.950 --> 00:12:06.520 for sleeping her way up the political food chain. 00:12:06.520 --> 00:12:09.310 No more saying two plus two equals four. 00:12:09.310 --> 00:12:12.810 No more saying that men cannot get pregnant. 00:12:12.810 --> 00:12:16.370 Yet Ben still wasn't censored for any of that. 00:12:16.370 --> 00:12:20.420 Ben has been censored because he had the Baptist bias. 00:12:20.420 --> 00:12:58.700 Thanks so much for joining us on the Baptist bias. 00:12:58.700 --> 00:13:02.320 It's the new improved Ben, the whitewash Ben we've got, 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:05.330 and we're really excited for our show. 00:13:05.330 --> 00:13:07.900 We are gonna be talking about censorship 00:13:07.900 --> 00:13:10.910 and how we can combat that 00:13:10.910 --> 00:13:13.050 and what we have to do to fight that. 00:13:13.050 --> 00:13:15.430 And I felt like probably one of the best guests 00:13:15.430 --> 00:13:16.760 we could possibly have on the show 00:13:16.760 --> 00:13:18.520 would be past her minutes, so we're gonna say hi to him. 00:13:18.520 --> 00:13:22.210 But I think we should call our new Ben Dylan. 00:13:22.210 --> 00:13:24.980 I don't know, I hate this vibe, maybe Dylan. 00:13:24.980 --> 00:13:26.700 Dylan, thanks for joining us on the show this evening. 00:13:26.700 --> 00:13:27.590 How's it going? 00:13:27.590 --> 00:13:29.280 - Going good, thank you so much for having me on. 00:13:29.280 --> 00:13:30.410 Looking forward to it. 00:13:30.410 --> 00:13:32.550 Sorry for those in the comments that missed the old Ben. 00:13:32.550 --> 00:13:36.360 We miss him too, but this is what you got for tonight. 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:38.960 - Well, sometimes things need to be whitewashed. 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:40.620 So literally. 00:13:40.620 --> 00:13:42.800 But we've got Pastor Roger Menes 00:13:42.800 --> 00:13:45.690 from Verity Baptist Church is also joining us. 00:13:45.690 --> 00:13:46.840 Let's see if we can bring him in. 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:48.990 Can you hear us Pastor Menes? 00:13:48.990 --> 00:13:50.310 - Yes, I can hear you. 00:13:50.310 --> 00:13:52.270 - Thanks for being on the show. 00:13:52.270 --> 00:13:54.630 - Thank you very much for having me on the show. 00:13:54.630 --> 00:13:57.020 I feel a little ripped off on the Ben that I got, 00:13:57.020 --> 00:13:57.990 but that's all right. 00:13:57.990 --> 00:14:03.820 - Yeah, well, it's not as expensive 00:14:03.820 --> 00:14:05.300 as what you could get in California. 00:14:05.300 --> 00:14:08.330 So out here in Texas, you kind of get the discount deal 00:14:08.330 --> 00:14:09.670 with discount Dylan. 00:14:09.670 --> 00:14:11.580 So there you go. 00:14:11.580 --> 00:14:12.420 - That's good. 00:14:12.420 --> 00:14:13.230 It's good to see you, Dylan. 00:14:13.230 --> 00:14:14.060 - Good to see you, Pastor Jimenez. 00:14:14.060 --> 00:14:16.060 - Just so our viewers are aware, 00:14:16.060 --> 00:14:17.860 I'm sure a lot of our viewers know who you are already, 00:14:17.860 --> 00:14:19.210 but why don't you give us a little bit 00:14:19.210 --> 00:14:22.040 of just kind of an introduction, 00:14:22.040 --> 00:14:25.770 who you are, what you do, your church. 00:14:25.770 --> 00:14:28.330 - Yes, my name is Pastor Roger Jimenez. 00:14:28.330 --> 00:14:30.220 I'm the pastor of Verity Baptist Church 00:14:30.220 --> 00:14:32.030 in Sacramento, California. 00:14:32.030 --> 00:14:36.050 And we are a new IFB church. 00:14:36.050 --> 00:14:40.690 And over the years, we've been around for about 11 years. 00:14:40.690 --> 00:14:43.610 We started in September of 2010. 00:14:43.610 --> 00:14:46.680 And over the years, we've experienced some persecution 00:14:46.680 --> 00:14:50.370 and censorship, and we've had to deal with that. 00:14:50.370 --> 00:14:53.670 So I'm ready to talk about that, 00:14:53.670 --> 00:14:55.190 excited to talk about that. 00:14:55.190 --> 00:14:56.680 It's definitely something that we're going to have 00:14:56.680 --> 00:15:00.160 to deal with as Bible-believing Christians. 00:15:00.160 --> 00:15:01.160 We're dealing with it now, 00:15:01.160 --> 00:15:04.020 but we will be dealing with it going forward, 00:15:04.020 --> 00:15:08.430 probably even harder or more extreme 00:15:08.430 --> 00:15:11.610 than we have up to this point. 00:15:11.610 --> 00:15:14.900 - Yeah, I definitely agree with you there. 00:15:14.900 --> 00:15:17.680 I thought that the Southern Baptist Convention 00:15:17.680 --> 00:15:19.450 already fired you or something like that. 00:15:19.450 --> 00:15:20.570 I don't even know. 00:15:20.570 --> 00:15:23.150 How are you still pastoring? 00:15:23.150 --> 00:15:24.540 - Yeah, I don't know. 00:15:24.540 --> 00:15:26.810 I think they took away my pension or something, 00:15:26.810 --> 00:15:31.230 but I feel really bad for whoever, whatever. 00:15:31.230 --> 00:15:33.180 Apparently, there was a pastor 00:15:33.180 --> 00:15:35.280 in the Southern Baptist Convention 00:15:35.280 --> 00:15:38.020 that had my same name, Roger Jimenez. 00:15:38.020 --> 00:15:42.310 And back in 2016, when we were, you know, 00:15:42.310 --> 00:15:44.440 I preached a sermon that went viral, 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:45.630 and we were all over the news, 00:15:45.630 --> 00:15:48.740 and dealing with all sorts of censorship, 00:15:48.740 --> 00:15:51.010 there was a petition that went around. 00:15:51.010 --> 00:15:53.700 It got tens of thousands of signatures. 00:15:53.700 --> 00:15:54.930 I don't remember the exact number. 00:15:54.930 --> 00:15:57.680 It was like 50,000 or 60,000 signatures or something. 00:15:57.680 --> 00:16:00.740 And they were petitioning the Southern Baptist Convention 00:16:00.740 --> 00:16:05.720 to remove me or fire me or whatever they do. 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:07.870 So I feel bad for that guy. 00:16:07.870 --> 00:16:10.100 But it's good you did a whole show 00:16:10.100 --> 00:16:11.610 against the Southern Baptist Convention 00:16:11.610 --> 00:16:13.620 since they fired me. 00:16:13.620 --> 00:16:14.930 - Well, I wonder what happened to that guy. 00:16:14.930 --> 00:16:17.140 I wonder if he got fired anyways, just like, 00:16:17.140 --> 00:16:19.320 they're like, sorry, we just got too many signatures. 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:23.220 We don't even know if it's you, we just gotta let you go. 00:16:23.220 --> 00:16:24.380 - You probably did get fired. 00:16:24.380 --> 00:16:26.660 Also back in 2000, so we started our church 00:16:26.660 --> 00:16:30.480 in September of 2010 and there was another church. 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:33.880 So I chose the name Verity 'cause it means truth. 00:16:33.880 --> 00:16:36.170 And it's a word that's not found 00:16:36.170 --> 00:16:37.910 in the new modern Bible versions. 00:16:37.910 --> 00:16:39.590 You only find it in the King James. 00:16:39.590 --> 00:16:42.500 And so we named our church Verity Baptist Church. 00:16:42.500 --> 00:16:46.040 And there was actually, when I was choosing a name 00:16:46.040 --> 00:16:48.720 for our church, Pastor Anderson had advised me 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:50.700 to kind of research to see if there was other churches 00:16:50.700 --> 00:16:52.210 with that name, just to be aware of it. 00:16:52.210 --> 00:16:54.270 And I found zero churches. 00:16:54.270 --> 00:16:57.490 But after we'd started, I found out 00:16:57.490 --> 00:17:00.360 that right around the same time that we started our church, 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:03.050 like a few months before or a few months after, 00:17:03.050 --> 00:17:05.200 there was another Verity Baptist Church 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:07.420 that started in Colorado. 00:17:07.420 --> 00:17:09.680 And when we got all over the news, 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:14.130 they got all sorts of hate mail and stuff. 00:17:14.130 --> 00:17:18.550 Their website, they had to put this disclaimer that said, 00:17:18.550 --> 00:17:21.900 we're not the Verity Baptist Church in the news or whatever. 00:17:21.900 --> 00:17:24.330 They did not stand with us, by the way. 00:17:24.330 --> 00:17:26.400 So I should look into what happened to them. 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:28.790 They probably changed their name to Grace or something. 00:17:28.790 --> 00:17:29.580 That's funny. 00:17:29.580 --> 00:17:31.610 They were like, Verity, that's a cool church name. 00:17:31.610 --> 00:17:33.770 And then they didn't know what they got into. 00:17:33.770 --> 00:17:34.260 Right. 00:17:34.260 --> 00:17:37.500 And I just ruined it for them. 00:17:37.500 --> 00:17:39.860 That's what the truth will do for some of these people. 00:17:39.860 --> 00:17:42.440 It'll ruin their lives, I guess. 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:44.600 Well, you should name your church Verity 00:17:44.600 --> 00:17:46.250 if you're not one sent for the truth. 00:17:46.250 --> 00:17:47.810 That's right. 00:17:47.810 --> 00:17:48.570 That's a great name. 00:17:48.570 --> 00:17:50.040 I really like it. 00:17:50.040 --> 00:17:54.240 I kind of like that it's just a one-word church name. 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:57.250 That's what I kind of like about Steadfast, just one word. 00:17:57.250 --> 00:17:59.210 And we've got Dylan here. 00:17:59.210 --> 00:18:02.880 Dylan used to be a member of Verity Baptist Church. 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:05.430 Why don't you tell us about your experiences at Verity? 00:18:05.430 --> 00:18:07.810 Well, I know that Verity Baptist Church definitely 00:18:07.810 --> 00:18:10.750 had a lot of hate because even the satellite church 00:18:10.750 --> 00:18:13.880 up in Vancouver, Washington, literally hundreds and hundreds 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:17.780 of miles away from Pastor Jimenez in Sacramento, California, 00:18:17.780 --> 00:18:20.580 I was out knocking doors and handing out invitations 00:18:20.580 --> 00:18:22.410 to Verity Baptist Church. 00:18:22.410 --> 00:18:24.460 And even all the way up in Vancouver, Washington, 00:18:24.460 --> 00:18:27.000 people would say, wait, your pastor isn't that Roger 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:28.110 Jimenez. 00:18:28.110 --> 00:18:32.080 So your name has gone all around the Earth. 00:18:32.080 --> 00:18:34.990 And cancel culture is definitely a part of your ministry. 00:18:34.990 --> 00:18:39.120 I remember actually exactly when I heard you on the news, 00:18:39.120 --> 00:18:44.110 I was fresh out of high school, was working as a valet in 2016. 00:18:44.110 --> 00:18:46.360 And all of a sudden, the news is saying, oh, you know, 00:18:46.360 --> 00:18:48.810 this hate preacher is celebrating the death 00:18:48.810 --> 00:18:50.210 of the sodomites in Orlando. 00:18:50.210 --> 00:18:52.130 And all of a sudden, then I hear your voice 00:18:52.130 --> 00:18:53.240 in this car that I'm driving. 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:55.160 I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:58.050 And it was really cool to see the word of God 00:18:58.050 --> 00:18:59.400 being preached worldwide. 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:01.510 But as you could tell, that's definitely leading 00:19:01.510 --> 00:19:03.560 to a lot of persecution as well. 00:19:03.560 --> 00:19:04.930 But it's a blessing. 00:19:04.930 --> 00:19:07.810 - Well, I do want to get a little context 00:19:07.810 --> 00:19:09.500 to what we've been talking to. 00:19:09.500 --> 00:19:14.860 In 2016, there was a massacre 00:19:14.860 --> 00:19:18.680 at what's considered a "gay bar" in Orlando. 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:22.780 I believe approximately 50 people were killed 00:19:22.780 --> 00:19:24.800 inside this club. 00:19:24.800 --> 00:19:27.340 And the person supposedly responsible 00:19:27.340 --> 00:19:30.200 of this is maybe Islamic, 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.720 some type of affiliation there. 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:34.720 I don't know if they ever came out 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:39.180 and said what his exact motives were for the shooting. 00:19:39.180 --> 00:19:41.520 But then you, Pester Minnis, 00:19:41.520 --> 00:19:44.660 you ended up preaching a sermon. 00:19:44.660 --> 00:19:47.670 It was a Sunday night sermon, if I remember correctly, 00:19:47.670 --> 00:19:50.460 in the month of June, is that correct? 00:19:50.460 --> 00:19:51.260 - Yes. 00:19:51.260 --> 00:19:54.640 - It was of 2016, and you ended up talking about that. 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:56.560 Now, what was kind of your, 00:19:56.560 --> 00:19:58.840 do you remember the title of your sermon? 00:19:58.840 --> 00:20:00.770 - Yeah, the sermon. 00:20:00.770 --> 00:20:05.270 So it was interesting because, you know, 00:20:05.270 --> 00:20:09.360 if you know me, I'm a pretty planned out, organized guy. 00:20:09.360 --> 00:20:13.050 I usually have sermons outlined and scheduled. 00:20:13.050 --> 00:20:15.020 I like to just have things organized, 00:20:15.020 --> 00:20:17.860 but that Sunday, so that happened, 00:20:17.860 --> 00:20:19.630 I think it happened on a Saturday night 00:20:19.630 --> 00:20:23.160 or like Sunday morning, like 1 a.m. or 2 a.m. 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:23.980 or something like that. 00:20:23.980 --> 00:20:25.580 It happened in the middle of the night. 00:20:25.580 --> 00:20:29.560 And that Sunday, my wife and I were having a family 00:20:29.560 --> 00:20:32.220 over to our house after the Sunday morning service 00:20:32.220 --> 00:20:33.250 for a meal. 00:20:33.250 --> 00:20:35.240 And it was a family that just moved to our church 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:37.140 and we were having them over for a fellowship meal. 00:20:37.140 --> 00:20:39.210 And because of that, we did something 00:20:39.210 --> 00:20:41.520 that we don't do every Sunday, 00:20:41.520 --> 00:20:44.050 which is we drove separately 00:20:44.050 --> 00:20:47.660 because my wife was taking care of some things. 00:20:47.660 --> 00:20:50.600 So I drove our second vehicle to church. 00:20:50.600 --> 00:20:53.180 And because I was just driving by myself, 00:20:53.180 --> 00:20:56.800 I just turned on the news just to see what was going on 00:20:56.800 --> 00:20:57.770 or whatever. 00:20:57.770 --> 00:21:02.070 And I heard about this shooting. 00:21:02.070 --> 00:21:04.010 So then we had church that morning. 00:21:04.010 --> 00:21:06.190 I preached my regular sermon that I had ready. 00:21:06.190 --> 00:21:08.930 I already had a sermon ready for that night. 00:21:08.930 --> 00:21:12.520 We had the family over and we had lunch together. 00:21:12.520 --> 00:21:16.190 Actually, the family that we had over is now on our staff, 00:21:16.190 --> 00:21:18.920 Brother Matt and Miss Casey. 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:22.060 And then when they left, I just decided, 00:21:22.060 --> 00:21:25.980 I'm just going to write a sermon about what happened. 00:21:25.980 --> 00:21:28.710 Because at that point, there had already 00:21:28.710 --> 00:21:30.300 been all these people. 00:21:30.300 --> 00:21:33.160 And even Christians were just coming out. 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:35.150 And I remember thinking to myself, everybody's just 00:21:35.150 --> 00:21:40.190 falling all over themselves to talk about how terrible this is 00:21:40.190 --> 00:21:42.650 and how horrible and whatever. 00:21:42.650 --> 00:21:44.810 And so I preached a sermon that night 00:21:44.810 --> 00:21:48.330 called The Christian Response to the Orlando Shooting. 00:21:48.330 --> 00:21:52.160 And I was just explaining that obviously we're not 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:56.090 for people taking the law into their own hands. 00:21:56.090 --> 00:21:58.260 We're not for people doing these things. 00:21:58.260 --> 00:22:00.470 But that as Christians, we also shouldn't 00:22:00.470 --> 00:22:09.780 be just sad about the fact that predators have been killed. 00:22:09.780 --> 00:22:13.180 And that's exactly what the Bible calls these people. 00:22:13.180 --> 00:22:16.110 That's what they are. 00:22:16.110 --> 00:22:17.590 So I preached that sermon. 00:22:17.590 --> 00:22:20.210 And it wasn't really directed. 00:22:20.210 --> 00:22:22.350 Obviously, it took little clips here and there, 00:22:22.350 --> 00:22:23.820 and they tried to make it sound or whatever. 00:22:23.820 --> 00:22:25.560 And obviously, I stand by everything I said. 00:22:25.560 --> 00:22:27.820 But it was mainly just about the fact 00:22:27.820 --> 00:22:30.160 that, hey, as Bible-believing Christians, 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:32.060 we don't need to be sad about this. 00:22:32.060 --> 00:22:34.780 We don't need to be apologizing for this. 00:22:34.780 --> 00:22:38.640 We don't need to be trying to act 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:41.980 like this was some tragedy because it really wasn't. 00:22:41.980 --> 00:22:43.530 These people are wicked. 00:22:43.530 --> 00:22:44.820 They deserve the death penalty. 00:22:44.820 --> 00:22:46.070 They're predators. 00:22:46.070 --> 00:22:47.690 And I preach the sermon. 00:22:47.690 --> 00:22:49.320 I remember preaching the sermon, 00:22:49.320 --> 00:22:53.980 and a few weeks or maybe months before that, 00:22:53.980 --> 00:22:55.990 I remember Pastor Anderson had told me, 00:22:55.990 --> 00:22:57.700 'cause he had just, 00:22:57.700 --> 00:22:59.630 I think he'd been getting strikes and stuff 00:22:59.630 --> 00:23:01.280 on his YouTube channel. 00:23:01.280 --> 00:23:03.090 And he had told me, hey, you wanna be careful 00:23:03.090 --> 00:23:07.180 about what you put out, 00:23:07.180 --> 00:23:09.880 and not to not put it out, 00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:11.980 but just know that you might get a strike, 00:23:11.980 --> 00:23:14.600 or you might wanna set up a second channel 00:23:14.600 --> 00:23:16.540 in case your channel gets shut down or whatever. 00:23:16.540 --> 00:23:18.010 And I remember he told me that. 00:23:18.010 --> 00:23:21.060 So after the Sunday night sermon, 00:23:21.060 --> 00:23:23.370 I met with Brother Stuckey, 00:23:23.370 --> 00:23:27.110 who was our staff guy in Sacramento back then. 00:23:27.110 --> 00:23:29.100 Now he's in Evangelos in the Philippines. 00:23:29.100 --> 00:23:31.290 And I met with our sound guy, 00:23:31.290 --> 00:23:34.210 and we just talked about, 00:23:34.210 --> 00:23:35.710 we just had this conversation about, 00:23:35.710 --> 00:23:37.460 hey, is there anything we need to be worried about? 00:23:37.460 --> 00:23:39.200 Do you think we're going to strike for this or something? 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:41.260 You know, things have changed since then. 00:23:41.260 --> 00:23:44.040 And the conclusion we came to was, 00:23:44.040 --> 00:23:45.550 well, you didn't really say anything different 00:23:45.550 --> 00:23:47.870 than what you've already said in other sermons. 00:23:47.870 --> 00:23:50.670 So we don't really think it's a big deal. 00:23:50.670 --> 00:23:53.460 And so we just posted it. 00:23:53.460 --> 00:23:55.780 And you know, I went to bed that night. 00:23:55.780 --> 00:24:00.740 And then overnight it just went like super mega viral 00:24:00.910 --> 00:24:03.250 all over the country, all over the world. 00:24:03.250 --> 00:24:06.060 And you know, the rest is history. 00:24:06.060 --> 00:24:08.020 - Right. 00:24:08.020 --> 00:24:11.390 Now I'm sure they played all your clips where you said, 00:24:11.390 --> 00:24:12.700 you know, we don't call to violence. 00:24:12.700 --> 00:24:14.470 We don't call to actions. 00:24:14.470 --> 00:24:17.070 You know, we, you know, all the Bible parts, right? 00:24:17.070 --> 00:24:19.610 Those are the snippets that they took from the sermon, right? 00:24:19.610 --> 00:24:21.620 - Yeah, exactly. 00:24:21.620 --> 00:24:24.540 No, I mean, if you listen to the sermon in its context, 00:24:24.540 --> 00:24:26.650 obviously I'm saying, hey, 00:24:26.650 --> 00:24:28.870 we're not saying that we should go out and do this. 00:24:28.870 --> 00:24:29.700 You know, this is something 00:24:29.700 --> 00:24:31.030 that the government should be doing. 00:24:31.030 --> 00:24:33.500 This is what the Bible teaches. 00:24:33.500 --> 00:24:38.750 No, they definitely took, did not, 00:24:38.750 --> 00:24:41.320 like I said, I said everything I said, 00:24:41.320 --> 00:24:43.710 in context or out of context. 00:24:43.710 --> 00:24:46.210 But if you listen to the clips they took, 00:24:46.210 --> 00:24:48.700 if you listen to them in context, 00:24:48.700 --> 00:24:51.110 you know that I'm not calling for anyone 00:24:51.110 --> 00:24:53.540 to take up arms or anything like that. 00:24:53.540 --> 00:24:55.360 - Sure, well, of course, you know, 00:24:55.360 --> 00:24:57.650 they always try to reframe things a little bit too 00:24:57.650 --> 00:24:58.910 and put their spin on it. 00:24:58.910 --> 00:25:02.760 Now I actually have a clip that I wanted to show 00:25:02.760 --> 00:25:04.280 that kind of talks about this event. 00:25:04.280 --> 00:25:06.230 And I wanted you to be able to explain a little bit 00:25:06.230 --> 00:25:08.170 of what happened before we played this clip. 00:25:08.170 --> 00:25:11.360 Just so if someone's not aware of this situation 00:25:11.360 --> 00:25:13.230 that happened in 2016, 00:25:13.230 --> 00:25:14.700 they have a little bit of context here, 00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:16.890 but let's see if we can pull up. 00:25:16.890 --> 00:25:20.990 There's a CBS clip and it kind of shows a little bit 00:25:20.990 --> 00:25:24.000 of your preaching from that particular sermon. 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:26.860 And it also has a lot of their commentary. 00:25:26.860 --> 00:25:29.070 So we're gonna go ahead and switch to this video real quick, 00:25:29.070 --> 00:25:32.620 play a few minutes and then we'll get some feedback. 00:25:32.620 --> 00:25:35.840 - A Baptist preacher who praised the attack in Orlando 00:25:35.840 --> 00:25:38.410 is sparking outrage in Sacramento. 00:25:38.410 --> 00:25:41.730 Pastor Roger Jimenez's remarks came on Sunday morning, 00:25:41.730 --> 00:25:43.550 just hours after the attack. 00:25:43.550 --> 00:25:46.340 Here is how our CBS station in Sacramento, 00:25:46.340 --> 00:25:49.230 KOVR, reported the story. 00:25:49.230 --> 00:25:52.620 - A Sacramento Baptist preacher issued extreme 00:25:52.620 --> 00:25:55.770 and troubling comments in a videotaped sermon, 00:25:55.770 --> 00:25:59.720 actually praising the Orlando club attacks. 00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:02.770 - Hey, are you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today? 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:05.770 - No, I think that's great. 00:26:05.770 --> 00:26:08.070 I think that helps society. 00:26:08.070 --> 00:26:09.500 You know, I think Orlando, Florida 00:26:09.500 --> 00:26:11.620 is a little safer tonight. 00:26:11.620 --> 00:26:14.170 - His inflammatory video was uploaded to YouTube 00:26:14.170 --> 00:26:17.100 under the Verity Baptist Church account. 00:26:17.100 --> 00:26:19.980 - CBS 13's Angela Mushalem is live in Davis tonight, 00:26:19.980 --> 00:26:22.180 where she spoke with an LGBT group 00:26:22.180 --> 00:26:26.450 about the controversial speech, Angela. 00:26:26.450 --> 00:26:29.010 Sam Adrian, we wanna warn those of you watching tonight, 00:26:29.010 --> 00:26:30.940 again, about the nature of these comments 00:26:30.940 --> 00:26:33.360 made by Pastor Roger Jimenez, 00:26:33.360 --> 00:26:36.660 and a local LGBT coalition here in Davis says 00:26:36.660 --> 00:26:39.120 these comments work against everything 00:26:39.120 --> 00:26:42.880 they've been trying to get in terms of equality. 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:45.060 - To do anything. 00:26:45.060 --> 00:26:46.530 As far as I'm concerned, 00:26:46.530 --> 00:26:48.160 Orlando's just a little safer tonight. 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:51.180 - YouTube video of Sacramento pastor Roger Jimenez 00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:52.450 speaking about the tragedy 00:26:52.450 --> 00:26:55.140 that struck Orlando, Florida Sunday morning. 00:26:55.140 --> 00:26:58.950 - As Christians, should we not be mourning the death 00:26:58.950 --> 00:27:03.080 of these 50 vile, perverted predators? 00:27:03.080 --> 00:27:05.240 - Wow. 00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:07.510 - It's Andre Nelson, not sure how to react 00:27:07.510 --> 00:27:08.980 to what Jimenez said. 00:27:08.980 --> 00:27:11.810 Nelson is pride director of the Davis Phoenix Coalition, 00:27:11.810 --> 00:27:13.720 who also grew up Baptist. 00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:15.950 He says in all his years of attending church, 00:27:15.950 --> 00:27:18.490 no pastor ever spoke of inequality. 00:27:18.490 --> 00:27:19.800 - He's not a man of God. 00:27:19.800 --> 00:27:22.790 He's not a man teaching a true religion. 00:27:22.790 --> 00:27:26.150 - I wish the government would round them all up, 00:27:26.150 --> 00:27:27.890 put them up against a firing wall, 00:27:27.890 --> 00:27:30.440 put a firing squad in front of them, blow their brains out. 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:32.910 - And it's hateful, violent statements like these 00:27:32.910 --> 00:27:36.800 that Nelson says keeps many in the LGBT community shut out. 00:27:36.800 --> 00:27:39.420 - It can definitely cause more harm to our LGBT youth 00:27:39.420 --> 00:27:42.700 and those still living in the closet that are older. 00:27:42.700 --> 00:27:46.840 You know, it causes our suicide rates to go up. 00:27:46.840 --> 00:27:49.360 It causes kids to feel like they're worthless. 00:27:49.360 --> 00:27:52.350 - Hey, Roger. 00:27:52.350 --> 00:27:54.330 - We tried to speak with Ximena's Monday morning 00:27:54.330 --> 00:27:57.690 about the inflammatory comments he made in his speech. 00:27:57.690 --> 00:27:59.580 This was his response. 00:27:59.580 --> 00:28:00.700 - I'm not able to talk right now. 00:28:00.700 --> 00:28:02.250 I'm actually in the middle of a few things. 00:28:02.250 --> 00:28:04.150 - With the LGBT community recently 00:28:04.150 --> 00:28:05.550 celebrating marriage equality, 00:28:05.550 --> 00:28:07.870 Nelson says they've become complacent, 00:28:07.870 --> 00:28:10.520 but the fight for equality still isn't over. 00:28:10.520 --> 00:28:12.500 - The bottom line is to love thy brother 00:28:12.500 --> 00:28:16.260 as you love thyself. 00:28:16.260 --> 00:28:19.180 - And again, this is a local Sacramento preacher 00:28:19.180 --> 00:28:21.060 making these hateful statements. 00:28:21.060 --> 00:28:22.650 He had nothing further to add 00:28:22.650 --> 00:28:25.760 in front of our cameras today. 00:28:25.760 --> 00:28:29.770 - Okay, Angela, that is an eye-popping piece of videotape. 00:28:29.770 --> 00:28:32.130 Thank you very much for that. 00:28:32.130 --> 00:28:33.890 - So we played a CBS, 'cause I don't know, 00:28:33.890 --> 00:28:36.790 have you seen that package, Pastor Minas, before? 00:28:36.790 --> 00:28:38.110 - I've seen parts of that. 00:28:38.110 --> 00:28:39.970 I hadn't seen that whole thing. 00:28:39.970 --> 00:28:43.940 - Okay, what I find kind of great 00:28:43.940 --> 00:28:48.840 is like you literally just say like 50 pedophiles are dead. 00:28:48.840 --> 00:28:51.150 And I would kind of have to assume like 00:28:51.150 --> 00:28:53.020 who would disagree with that state? 00:28:53.020 --> 00:28:54.860 Like who would disagree with the fact 00:28:54.860 --> 00:28:57.670 that the world's safer when pedophiles 00:28:57.670 --> 00:28:58.860 are literally put to death? 00:28:58.860 --> 00:29:01.620 It almost seems like that was always something 00:29:01.620 --> 00:29:04.140 that everybody kind of viewed and believed. 00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:06.550 And it seems like there's this disconnect in our world 00:29:06.550 --> 00:29:10.690 where they just don't associate that crowd with pedophiles. 00:29:10.690 --> 00:29:12.770 But you know, it's funny 'cause at the bottom 00:29:12.770 --> 00:29:14.880 it said the mayor condemned your remarks. 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:16.360 But I'm like, is he condemning the fact 00:29:16.360 --> 00:29:18.180 that you want pedophiles to be put to death? 00:29:18.180 --> 00:29:20.650 Or is he, you know, what exactly is it 00:29:20.650 --> 00:29:22.310 that he's condemning here? 00:29:22.310 --> 00:29:24.210 And you know, they're obviously hypocrites 00:29:24.210 --> 00:29:27.580 because I've seen news packages, 00:29:27.580 --> 00:29:30.970 one in Arizona specifically, and it was not that long ago, 00:29:30.970 --> 00:29:33.790 where a cop killer was on the run 00:29:33.790 --> 00:29:38.360 and he basically ran into two young men at a gas station. 00:29:38.360 --> 00:29:40.830 They didn't know that he was a fugitive though. 00:29:40.830 --> 00:29:42.440 He just basically ran in, they were trying to like, 00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:44.240 get him to give those wallet or keys. 00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:49.270 And in the scuffle, the citizen just pulls out his gun 00:29:49.270 --> 00:29:51.100 and shoots and kills the cop killer 00:29:51.100 --> 00:29:53.680 because of their kind of disagreement. 00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:55.190 And then basically they just say, 00:29:55.190 --> 00:29:58.730 the entire police department is relieved and happy 00:29:58.730 --> 00:30:01.160 and like everyone's happy that this cop killer 00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:03.880 was brought to justice and was killed. 00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:06.550 And even though it's obviously not even the proper channels, 00:30:06.550 --> 00:30:08.370 it didn't go through a legal sanction, 00:30:08.370 --> 00:30:09.830 there was no judge and jury. 00:30:09.830 --> 00:30:12.500 They were all happy, relieved and excited 00:30:12.500 --> 00:30:14.450 that the cop killer was brought to justice 00:30:14.450 --> 00:30:18.720 and ultimately faced the consequences of his decisions. 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:20.910 But of course they can't then apply that 00:30:20.910 --> 00:30:22.170 to the same logic of saying, 00:30:22.170 --> 00:30:25.370 okay, people that are really molesting children 00:30:25.370 --> 00:30:27.930 and committing the worst sins imaginable, 00:30:27.930 --> 00:30:29.650 if they get what's coming to them, 00:30:29.650 --> 00:30:31.080 why would I then be sad? 00:30:31.080 --> 00:30:33.330 I mean, what if Christians all said, 00:30:33.330 --> 00:30:35.240 oh, we should pray for this cop killer 00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:36.800 and be sad about the cop killer 00:30:36.800 --> 00:30:38.160 and go to his funeral or whatever. 00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.030 No one's gonna do that. 00:30:40.030 --> 00:30:42.220 It's just, of course, they're hypocrites about it. 00:30:42.220 --> 00:30:44.670 They don't apply these things equally. 00:30:44.670 --> 00:30:47.760 And then they really don't understand 00:30:47.760 --> 00:30:50.590 that they're actually just attacking the Bible. 00:30:50.590 --> 00:30:52.500 But I know that from this experience, 00:30:52.500 --> 00:30:55.610 you have suffered a lot of just hate. 00:30:55.610 --> 00:30:58.340 You know, they wanna condemn you for being a hate preacher, 00:30:58.340 --> 00:31:01.420 but of course they can hate you all day long. 00:31:01.420 --> 00:31:03.190 There's no inconsistency there, right? 00:31:03.190 --> 00:31:06.290 So please describe for us just kind of like 00:31:06.290 --> 00:31:08.470 things that happened to you as a result of this 00:31:08.470 --> 00:31:11.060 in like the censorship. 00:31:11.060 --> 00:31:12.390 - Yeah, absolutely. 00:31:12.390 --> 00:31:14.960 First of all, you know, just kind of going off 00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:18.300 of what you said, if you listen to the sermon, 00:31:18.300 --> 00:31:20.960 'cause that clip about the 50 pedophiles, 00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:23.580 that's the clip that was like played over and over and over 00:31:23.580 --> 00:31:26.720 and all these newscasts and all over the world. 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:30.310 And what I was saying was, you know, 00:31:30.310 --> 00:31:32.350 as I was preaching, I was asking the question, 00:31:32.350 --> 00:31:35.680 I was saying, you know, are you asking me if I'm sad? 00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:37.680 And I said, well, that would be like asking me, 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.770 are you sad that 50 pedophiles have been killed? 00:31:41.770 --> 00:31:43.320 You know, no, I'm not sad. 00:31:43.320 --> 00:31:45.780 You know, Orlando, Florida is a little safer tonight. 00:31:45.780 --> 00:31:47.170 That's the statement. 00:31:47.170 --> 00:31:50.030 And so I think it's funny that they take that clip 00:31:50.030 --> 00:31:53.090 played all over the world where I'm saying 50 pedophiles, 00:31:53.090 --> 00:31:54.840 50 pedophiles, 50 pedophiles, 00:31:54.840 --> 00:31:58.210 and they're all saying like, he's talking about us, 00:31:58.210 --> 00:32:00.000 you know, these sodomites. 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:05.320 So it kind of like shows you that they themselves 00:32:05.320 --> 00:32:06.880 identify themselves as that. 00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:10.210 And so that's an interesting thought. 00:32:10.210 --> 00:32:12.450 Also in that video that you showed, 00:32:12.450 --> 00:32:15.210 it's funny 'cause I hadn't seen that exact clip, 00:32:15.210 --> 00:32:19.300 but that's actually when I found out the sermon went viral 00:32:19.300 --> 00:32:21.140 because on that Monday morning, 00:32:21.140 --> 00:32:24.960 my wife had taken our son to the hospital. 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:27.380 She had a doctor's appointment with our son. 00:32:27.380 --> 00:32:30.330 And so I had kind of taken the morning off 00:32:30.330 --> 00:32:32.680 and I was literally just, it was, I don't remember, 00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:33.810 I think it was eight in the morning 00:32:33.810 --> 00:32:35.370 when they showed up at my house or something like that. 00:32:35.370 --> 00:32:37.980 And I was actually like making breakfast for the kids 00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:39.090 'cause I had the rest of the kids. 00:32:39.090 --> 00:32:40.800 And I was just kind of being with them 00:32:40.800 --> 00:32:43.010 while my wife was gone with our son. 00:32:43.010 --> 00:32:46.890 And the doorbell rang and I opened the door 00:32:46.890 --> 00:32:49.520 and there is this reporter and this camera 00:32:49.520 --> 00:32:52.630 and a microphone and my kids, you know, 00:32:52.630 --> 00:32:54.260 they're just, they were just little kids 00:32:54.260 --> 00:32:57.060 and they're interested, you know, who's at the door. 00:32:57.060 --> 00:32:58.530 So all my kids come running 00:32:58.530 --> 00:33:00.800 and they're like looking out the door 00:33:00.800 --> 00:33:02.440 and I'm trying to push them away 00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:03.390 'cause I just see this camera. 00:33:03.390 --> 00:33:04.310 I don't know what's going on. 00:33:04.310 --> 00:33:06.900 I know I don't want my kids on TV. 00:33:06.900 --> 00:33:08.020 So I'm pushing my kids away 00:33:08.020 --> 00:33:09.810 and I'm like, "I can't talk," you know? 00:33:09.810 --> 00:33:12.010 And that's actually literally when I found out 00:33:12.010 --> 00:33:12.840 that the sermon went viral 00:33:12.840 --> 00:33:14.760 'cause then I closed the door and I texted my wife 00:33:14.760 --> 00:33:17.450 and I'm like, "The news is at our door," you know? 00:33:17.450 --> 00:33:19.650 And then people, and then church members started texting me 00:33:19.650 --> 00:33:22.540 saying like, "You're all over the news, pastor." 00:33:22.540 --> 00:33:25.240 So obviously I did lots of interviews after that, 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:27.790 but that was literally when I found out 00:33:27.790 --> 00:33:30.100 that the sermon had even gone viral or anything like that. 00:33:30.100 --> 00:33:32.050 So it's kind of interesting. 00:33:32.050 --> 00:33:37.760 But yeah, as a result of that sermon, 00:33:37.760 --> 00:33:39.600 first of all, the sermon went viral 00:33:39.600 --> 00:33:59.260 and then they took the channel down. 00:33:59.260 --> 00:34:01.980 And then eventually they took our YouTube channel down. 00:34:01.980 --> 00:34:05.660 They've taken our YouTube channel down many times. 00:34:05.660 --> 00:34:07.570 I don't know how many YouTube channels we've lost 00:34:07.570 --> 00:34:09.090 over the years. 00:34:09.090 --> 00:34:11.100 A few years ago, after the Red Hot Preaching Conference, 00:34:11.100 --> 00:34:14.250 we had a YouTube channel with 10,000 subscribers 00:34:14.250 --> 00:34:16.610 and they took that down. 00:34:16.610 --> 00:34:21.860 So they've taken a lot of our YouTube channels down. 00:34:21.860 --> 00:34:26.200 They've came after us as far as censorship. 00:34:26.200 --> 00:34:31.160 They've came after us with our merchant accounts. 00:34:31.160 --> 00:34:35.750 Back in 2016, we had PayPal to be able to receive donations. 00:34:35.750 --> 00:34:37.410 Of course, they canceled us. 00:34:37.410 --> 00:34:41.120 And then there was this-- 00:34:41.120 --> 00:34:42.870 I don't know how long-- it was several months 00:34:42.870 --> 00:34:46.220 where it seemed like every other week we kept getting shut down. 00:34:46.220 --> 00:34:48.580 And I remember Brother Stucky was our staff guy back then. 00:34:48.580 --> 00:34:54.520 And his full-time job became to find a new company 00:34:54.520 --> 00:34:55.460 to take donations. 00:34:55.460 --> 00:35:00.200 So we went from PayPal to Stripe to whatever. 00:35:00.200 --> 00:35:03.110 And every week, we just kept getting shut down 00:35:03.110 --> 00:35:05.010 and shut down and shut down. 00:35:05.010 --> 00:35:07.320 So that was obviously annoying. 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:12.170 And then, of course, this is something you're familiar with. 00:35:12.170 --> 00:35:14.040 But our landlord turned against us. 00:35:14.040 --> 00:35:17.950 And I know you guys obviously recently dealt with that. 00:35:17.950 --> 00:35:22.230 And so we did not get evicted. 00:35:22.230 --> 00:35:26.730 But I think the reason for that is just because the news kept 00:35:26.730 --> 00:35:29.160 saying that we got thrown out and we got evicted. 00:35:29.160 --> 00:35:31.190 But what actually happened was that our lease 00:35:31.190 --> 00:35:34.490 was going to be up in a few months anyway. 00:35:34.490 --> 00:35:38.550 And they just said that they were not going to renew our lease. 00:35:38.550 --> 00:35:44.110 And we had a good sized church. 00:35:44.110 --> 00:35:45.180 We had money in the bank. 00:35:45.180 --> 00:35:48.950 I mean, there really was no reason why we couldn't get a building. 00:35:48.950 --> 00:35:53.000 But after we went on the news, then we kind of just got blacklisted. 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:58.720 And that was probably the hardest thing was there was like a three to four month 00:35:58.720 --> 00:36:07.100 period there where literally it was like 10 hours a day, 12 hours a day every day. 00:36:07.100 --> 00:36:13.160 We only took breaks for church where we were just looking at buildings. 00:36:13.160 --> 00:36:17.540 I literally and I'm not I'm not exaggerating when I say this, I think I 00:36:17.540 --> 00:36:23.760 looked at every single available building in the entire city of Sacramento back then. 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.240 And we just kept getting rejected and rejected. 00:36:26.240 --> 00:36:28.590 And I mean, we come in and we're like, hey, we've got money. 00:36:28.590 --> 00:36:29.980 We can pay six months up front. 00:36:29.980 --> 00:36:30.780 Everybody was like, great. 00:36:30.780 --> 00:36:35.400 And then they get our name and they're like, oh, no, not you. 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.730 So we just kept getting rejected. 00:36:37.730 --> 00:36:42.140 In fact, the building we're in right now was the building that we ended up getting 00:36:42.140 --> 00:36:43.770 back then and they rejected us. 00:36:43.770 --> 00:36:47.670 And, but I remember I liked the building we're in now because it was close to 00:36:47.670 --> 00:36:50.690 where we were before and there was certain reasons why we liked it. 00:36:50.690 --> 00:36:55.670 And I remember going back to them and I said, look, you know, everybody's rejecting 00:36:55.670 --> 00:36:59.580 us, but you, you've had this building, it's already a church building, it's been 00:36:59.580 --> 00:37:03.680 vacant for like eight years, like, you know, we've got money. 00:37:03.680 --> 00:37:05.370 Can you, can you just give us a chance? 00:37:05.650 --> 00:37:09.970 And I remember we, we, we struck a deal with them where they pretty much just 00:37:09.970 --> 00:37:14.570 gave us the highest rate possible on square footage that we could take. 00:37:14.570 --> 00:37:21.150 And then they added like a thousand dollar risk fee for a month for taking us 00:37:21.150 --> 00:37:26.790 on. So they pretty much just like, you know, they knew they, they had us, you 00:37:26.790 --> 00:37:28.630 know, we didn't have any other options. 00:37:28.630 --> 00:37:29.370 So we did it. 00:37:29.370 --> 00:37:31.480 Yeah, exactly. 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:36.680 So, I mean, we took it because we needed a building and obviously that 00:37:36.680 --> 00:37:40.930 was years ago, we've since, you know, been able to renegotiate that and all that. 00:37:40.930 --> 00:37:47.030 But, um, yeah, I mean, the, the censorship is definitely, uh, it's, 00:37:47.030 --> 00:37:49.690 it's not just social media. 00:37:49.690 --> 00:37:52.370 See, oftentimes when we think about censorship and the council culture, 00:37:52.370 --> 00:37:55.460 we think of social media and that's definitely part of it. 00:37:55.460 --> 00:37:58.610 Uh, obviously it's frustrating build a YouTube channel. 00:37:58.610 --> 00:38:01.280 We have a YouTube channel right now with 15,000 subscribers. 00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:05.050 And I'm aware that at any time they could take that away from us. 00:38:05.370 --> 00:38:08.600 Um, so obviously that that's frustrating, but, um, when you're, 00:38:08.600 --> 00:38:10.430 when you're having your finances mess with, 00:38:10.430 --> 00:38:12.690 which I know that's something you guys have dealt with. Um, 00:38:12.690 --> 00:38:17.060 and when you're having your ability to meet in a building mess with that, 00:38:17.060 --> 00:38:20.660 those are the things that really get frustrating. Of course, lawsuits, 00:38:20.660 --> 00:38:24.400 you've dealt with that. I've been sued for what I preach. Um, 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:28.250 so these are all forms of censorship. 00:38:28.250 --> 00:38:32.710 They are trying to shut us up, 00:38:32.710 --> 00:38:36.220 but in order to shut us up, they're literally trying to shut us down. 00:38:36.930 --> 00:38:40.740 So they want to shut us down so that they can shut us up. And, uh, it's, it's, 00:38:40.740 --> 00:38:43.710 it's been a road, you know, I know you guys have dealt with, obviously, 00:38:43.710 --> 00:38:48.840 I'm preaching to the choir. Well, you know, 00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:54.140 I love to hear your experiences and I know that that's not even necessarily 00:38:54.140 --> 00:38:58.220 everything because you have the media like come in breathing down your neck. 00:38:58.220 --> 00:39:03.230 I mean, they're knocking on your front door. How many people did you have like, 00:39:03.230 --> 00:39:06.560 you know, like news stations knocking your door on that? Oh man. 00:39:06.560 --> 00:39:11.610 I mean, it was nonstop. Um, we, after that first initial eight AM, 00:39:11.610 --> 00:39:18.230 then it was just like 24 hours a day for, for weeks. Um, 00:39:18.230 --> 00:39:21.740 they were just at our door because it's kind of lasted. It started. 00:39:21.740 --> 00:39:26.600 So I preach the sermon and then the next Sunday was father's day. 00:39:26.600 --> 00:39:29.550 Well, that next Sunday, they, they, uh, 00:39:29.550 --> 00:39:35.150 plan this protest against our church and they brought in these bus loads of 00:39:37.450 --> 00:39:41.580 sodomites and whatever from Berkeley and San Francisco and the Bay Area. 00:39:41.580 --> 00:39:44.200 So we had this big protest. 00:39:44.200 --> 00:39:49.480 And I mean, the news media reported that there was 1500 people there. 00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:53.710 I don't know how accurate that number is, but there was a lot of people there. 00:39:53.710 --> 00:39:57.420 I know that there were 200 00:39:57.420 --> 00:40:02.370 sheriff and police officers there for for crowd control. 00:40:02.370 --> 00:40:07.600 So I know for a fact there was 200 police officers there because the city of 00:40:07.600 --> 00:40:12.120 Sacramento tried to send us a bill for that, trying to bill us for for that, 00:40:12.120 --> 00:40:15.590 which obviously we sent that back and said, you can, 00:40:15.590 --> 00:40:18.250 you can send that bill to the protesters. 00:40:18.250 --> 00:40:21.540 They're the reason you came. We have church there every week. 00:40:21.540 --> 00:40:24.430 But but, you know, so there was 200 police officers. 00:40:24.430 --> 00:40:29.000 So I would imagine that, I don't know, 1500 is probably accurate. 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.410 I know there was lots of people there. 00:40:31.410 --> 00:40:32.830 So we had this big protest. 00:40:32.830 --> 00:40:37.890 And then and then a few weeks later, we had the first Red Hawk Preaching Conference. 00:40:38.080 --> 00:40:42.600 So all of this was kind of the the media was on it. 00:40:42.600 --> 00:40:45.320 You know, so it was like something they were talking about every day. 00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.020 And some people thought that I preached 00:40:47.020 --> 00:40:52.120 the sermon as a as a publicity stunt to like hype up the Red Heart Preaching 00:40:52.120 --> 00:40:55.060 Conference, which obviously I you know, the Lord worked that out. 00:40:55.060 --> 00:40:56.420 It helped the Red Heart Preaching Conference. 00:40:56.420 --> 00:40:59.960 But, you know, it's not like I asked this guy to go shoot up a gay nightclub so 00:40:59.960 --> 00:41:03.310 that I could do publicity. Wow. 00:41:03.310 --> 00:41:05.300 The funny thing about that whole event 00:41:05.500 --> 00:41:09.170 is that I ended up becoming like public enemy number one in the country. 00:41:09.170 --> 00:41:14.070 I was the most hated man in the country and I and even more hated than the shooter 00:41:14.070 --> 00:41:16.470 himself. Yeah. Right. 00:41:16.470 --> 00:41:20.900 Like I said, even in Vancouver, Washington, I was knocking on doors 00:41:20.900 --> 00:41:25.300 and people were having visceral reactions to the name Roger Jimenez. 00:41:25.300 --> 00:41:30.260 And think about like what's so crazy about that clip that we just watched is 00:41:30.260 --> 00:41:33.550 that one man that was talking to the reporter, he said that he's been in church 00:41:33.550 --> 00:41:36.560 his whole life and he's never heard something like this before. 00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:42.960 And that's the reason why they are seeming to be able to censor us as much as they 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:47.610 are is because seemingly no one else is preaching this stuff like our generation 00:41:47.610 --> 00:41:50.180 has just decided that they're not going to preach what the Bible says on the 00:41:50.180 --> 00:41:54.590 sodomite issue, so it's real easy to pick out preachers like you or Pastor Shelley 00:41:54.590 --> 00:41:59.850 and look at that preaching and call it extreme and troubling rather than looking 00:41:59.850 --> 00:42:04.560 at pedophilia as extreme and troubling or rather than looking at people that the 00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:08.720 Bible says are filled with murder that are being filled with all unrighteousness. 00:42:08.720 --> 00:42:12.390 We would look at that and say, hey, that needs to be canceled, you know, 00:42:12.390 --> 00:42:14.590 through a lawful sanctioned death penalty by the government. 00:42:14.590 --> 00:42:17.220 That's what needs to be sanctioned to be canceled. 00:42:17.220 --> 00:42:19.830 But yet because preachers are not 00:42:19.830 --> 00:42:23.130 preaching it, they think that we're extreme and troubling. 00:42:23.130 --> 00:42:25.460 And that's why they're able to censor us, censor us. 00:42:25.460 --> 00:42:31.800 And preachers don't want to preach it because of all the crap we've dealt with. 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:36.120 You know, I mean, it's true, like my life would have been a lot easier. 00:42:36.120 --> 00:42:43.160 Pastor Shelley's life would be a lot easier right now if we shut up about these things. 00:42:43.160 --> 00:42:48.760 But if we if we don't preach the truth, then why are we even in the ministry? 00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:53.400 And these guys are in the ministry for for reasons other than preaching the truth. 00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:56.150 But that's why at our church where we're 00:42:56.150 --> 00:43:00.270 meeting, you know, in temporary meeting spaces, wherever we can find meeting in a 00:43:00.470 --> 00:43:04.670 park, listening to Pastor Shelley actually rip and preach the word of God. 00:43:04.670 --> 00:43:09.350 I'd rather listen to that than be in some super nice, you know, Bible college church 00:43:09.350 --> 00:43:12.340 where they wouldn't touch Romans one with a 10 foot pole. 00:43:12.340 --> 00:43:15.500 They wouldn't touch Psalm one thirty nine with the 10 foot pole. 00:43:15.500 --> 00:43:17.740 We sing Psalm one thirty nine before the service. 00:43:17.740 --> 00:43:19.920 You know, like that's the type of church that I'd want to be in. 00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:21.690 Amen. Praise the Lord. 00:43:21.690 --> 00:43:27.680 And you know, they after our big protest, we we were protested for months after 00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:31.680 and for like three or four months, every service Sunday morning, Sunday night, 00:43:31.680 --> 00:43:34.140 Wednesday night, obviously after the big one, the fifteen hundred. 00:43:34.140 --> 00:43:36.400 It was never like that again. 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:38.560 But but there were every protest. 00:43:38.560 --> 00:43:43.680 There was anywhere between 20 to 50 people protesting our church. 00:43:43.680 --> 00:43:48.860 Our our soul winners were getting yelled at and harassed out in the community. 00:43:48.860 --> 00:43:50.810 I got yelled at and harassed. 00:43:50.810 --> 00:43:53.640 I mean, I've got so many stories I could do. 00:43:53.640 --> 00:43:56.460 You know, we could do a whole podcast and just be telling a story. 00:43:56.660 --> 00:44:01.040 Isn't there a good, yeah, yeah, there's a there's a lot of stories. 00:44:01.040 --> 00:44:08.480 But yeah, so I mean, it's it was, you know, it was it was an exciting time and a crazy 00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:12.580 time, but when you're there, there's still feeling it, correct. 00:44:12.580 --> 00:44:18.050 I mean, obviously, it's not the same level of heat, but there's still going to be 00:44:18.050 --> 00:44:25.810 down downward spiraling consequences and just reverb effects of this and just 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:32.210 lateral damage and I can see, like you said, why the preachers don't preach on 00:44:32.210 --> 00:44:36.360 that just because it is real that there's going to be pushback. 00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:39.560 It is real that there's going to be a fight. 00:44:39.560 --> 00:44:45.350 And but at the same time, how is not bringing up these issues going to fix our 00:44:45.350 --> 00:44:49.590 country, you know, how is not talking about what the Bible has to say. 00:44:49.590 --> 00:44:55.930 And and of course, you're trying to just balance everyone in this country from 00:44:56.120 --> 00:45:00.120 all this bad example, these supposed Christians falling all over themselves 00:45:00.120 --> 00:45:02.590 to love the ungodly, as it were. 00:45:02.590 --> 00:45:06.100 And you're trying to just kind of jerk back the steering wheel and say, wait a 00:45:06.100 --> 00:45:10.850 minute, you know, we should have God's perspective, not what the media wants to 00:45:10.850 --> 00:45:13.410 tell us and spoon feed for us. 00:45:13.410 --> 00:45:17.600 And, you know, I appreciated the sermon. 00:45:17.600 --> 00:45:18.820 I didn't get to look. 00:45:18.820 --> 00:45:21.750 I didn't get to listen to it because it was just immediately censored. 00:45:21.750 --> 00:45:23.890 But I got to hear I got to hear all the good parts. 00:45:23.890 --> 00:45:26.580 So, you know, the media. 00:45:26.780 --> 00:45:29.440 And, you know, I thought it was great. 00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:34.760 Now, here's another consequence of that sermon, in my opinion. 00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:38.430 And this is what I call the YouTube the YouTube. 00:45:38.430 --> 00:45:40.490 The pastor meant is YouTube policy. 00:45:40.490 --> 00:45:44.120 Yes. But I want to pull up on the screen. 00:45:44.120 --> 00:45:46.470 We have a Google policy. 00:45:46.470 --> 00:45:48.130 And I remember finding this. 00:45:48.130 --> 00:45:51.620 I got censored for something or something happened to one of our sermons. 00:45:51.620 --> 00:45:54.550 And I went in and looked this up and it blew me away. 00:45:54.550 --> 00:45:55.510 It was like a few years ago. 00:45:55.510 --> 00:45:58.700 It blew me away when I read this because I was thinking like, this is all about 00:45:58.700 --> 00:46:03.220 Pastor Menes and so I figured why not bring on Pastor Menes to get his thoughts. 00:46:03.220 --> 00:46:06.600 But can we pull up that on screen? 00:46:06.600 --> 00:46:09.870 Their Google policy on what's called hate speech. 00:46:09.870 --> 00:46:13.050 Now, this phrase is becoming very popular in our culture. 00:46:13.050 --> 00:46:17.830 All of a sudden, a lot of companies are adopting this and their terms and services. 00:46:17.830 --> 00:46:20.050 In fact, I was like you said, you know, 00:46:20.050 --> 00:46:23.340 you're kind of shopping online giving solutions. 00:46:23.540 --> 00:46:26.150 I was going through the list and I ran into this one. 00:46:26.150 --> 00:46:27.300 It's a Christian company. 00:46:27.300 --> 00:46:30.310 And the guy told me he's like, hey, 00:46:30.310 --> 00:46:33.260 we can also put you on our app so you don't have to get shut down on YouTube. 00:46:33.260 --> 00:46:35.120 People can watch your sermon on our app. 00:46:35.120 --> 00:46:39.860 And I said, OK, well, what's your like, you know, restrictions or policies? 00:46:39.860 --> 00:46:41.560 Like, just read our terms and policies. 00:46:41.560 --> 00:46:43.460 You know, as long as you abide by those, you're good. 00:46:43.460 --> 00:46:44.610 And I started scrolling through. 00:46:44.610 --> 00:46:48.220 It literally said that you'd be banned for any level of hate speech. 00:46:48.220 --> 00:46:50.540 And I'm just thinking, like, why would a 00:46:50.540 --> 00:46:53.400 Christian site want to ban hate speech? 00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:55.090 Like, what does that even mean? 00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:56.790 I asked the I asked the guys. 00:46:56.790 --> 00:46:59.250 Oh, well, I said, we're probably going to get a ban because of hate speech. 00:46:59.250 --> 00:47:01.270 And he's like, oh, but we're not supposed to hate anyone. 00:47:01.270 --> 00:47:05.040 Wow. And I said, I said, well, what about Psalm 139? 00:47:05.040 --> 00:47:08.310 Where the Bible says, do not I hate them, oh, Lord, that hate thee. 00:47:08.310 --> 00:47:11.640 And he goes, oh, that's above my pay grade. 00:47:11.640 --> 00:47:19.300 It's just like, you know, it's weird how even the Christians so called are are 00:47:19.300 --> 00:47:24.130 trying to say, oh, you can't have hate speech and everything like that. 00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:28.650 Now, in this you this YouTube Google policy, I want to scroll down. 00:47:28.650 --> 00:47:32.790 They have a section in there called errors. 00:47:32.790 --> 00:47:34.890 I'm not sorry. Examples, I'm sorry. 00:47:34.890 --> 00:47:42.420 Yeah. So if you scroll down now 00:47:42.420 --> 00:47:47.190 in this policy, scroll back up because we can't see for the I want to go down there 00:47:47.190 --> 00:47:48.960 in just a second, scroll kind of back to the top. 00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:54.350 It's going to describe for us here hate speech policy. 00:47:54.350 --> 00:47:58.500 So the hate speech policy, also known as the pastor Jimenez policy. 00:47:58.500 --> 00:48:00.260 If you scroll down just a little bit, 00:48:00.450 --> 00:48:04.720 read what it says, it says, oh, scroll back up just here for me again. 00:48:04.720 --> 00:48:07.090 I want to make sure that the viewers can see this. 00:48:07.090 --> 00:48:11.630 The safety of our creators, viewers and partners is our highest priority. 00:48:11.630 --> 00:48:15.760 We look to each of you to help us protect this unique and vibrant community. 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:18.470 It is important you understand our community 00:48:18.470 --> 00:48:23.440 guidelines and the role they play in our shared responsibility to keep YouTube safe. 00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:26.560 Take the time to carefully read the policy below. 00:48:26.560 --> 00:48:30.700 You can also check out this page for a full list of our guidelines. 00:48:30.930 --> 00:48:34.160 And they've more recently updated it since when this first came out. 00:48:34.160 --> 00:48:36.300 But then it says you're not allowed to have hate speech against. 00:48:36.300 --> 00:48:38.670 And then it gives kind of a blanket list. 00:48:38.670 --> 00:48:44.380 But of course, they put down their, you know, gender and basically being 00:48:44.380 --> 00:48:46.830 a sodomite and all kinds of stuff like that. 00:48:46.830 --> 00:48:48.840 But then they want to give you some examples. 00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:50.620 And I think this is kind of comical. 00:48:50.620 --> 00:48:52.930 It says on the first example, 00:48:52.930 --> 00:48:56.140 here's an example of what you're not allowed to say on YouTube. 00:48:56.140 --> 00:49:01.060 I'm glad this and then in brackets, violent event happened. 00:49:01.570 --> 00:49:04.480 They got what they deserved in brackets, 00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:08.020 referring to the persons with the attributes noted above. 00:49:08.020 --> 00:49:11.610 And I'm just like, that's exactly what pastor said. 00:49:11.610 --> 00:49:16.660 And then and then the second one, it says, quote, in the brackets, 00:49:16.660 --> 00:49:23.650 persons with attributes noted above are dogs or persons that are like animals. 00:49:23.650 --> 00:49:29.170 And I'm thinking like these people are literally writing policy based on pastor 00:49:29.370 --> 00:49:33.510 sermon, just like verbatim, it blew me away. 00:49:33.510 --> 00:49:35.930 And I'm thinking like Pastor Minnis went 00:49:35.930 --> 00:49:41.330 so viral that Google itself, the like most powerful company in the world, 00:49:41.330 --> 00:49:46.530 arguably, maybe Amazon now, I don't know, but it's up there is is making policies 00:49:46.530 --> 00:49:50.540 based on a pastor of a couple of hundred people in Sacramento, California. 00:49:50.540 --> 00:49:55.330 You know, it's like obviously people say, oh, that's a small church. 00:49:55.330 --> 00:49:57.450 But I don't see them making YouTube 00:49:57.640 --> 00:50:00.950 policies on Joel Osteen's church or T.D. Diggs Church. 00:50:00.950 --> 00:50:06.550 You know, I mean, so from a perspective of impact, it seems like it's the biggest 00:50:06.550 --> 00:50:10.570 church, it's making one of the biggest impacts for the cause of Christ. 00:50:10.570 --> 00:50:13.760 And a lot of people are even getting saved. 00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.160 You know, people don't realize that they'll 00:50:16.160 --> 00:50:17.960 say, like, well, why don't you preach the gospel? 00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:20.440 Yet I guarantee lots of people have gotten 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:24.870 saved by hearing those comments, looking at Verity Baptist Church, 00:50:25.190 --> 00:50:30.390 hearing about Verity Baptist Church, having a normal brain in their head 00:50:30.390 --> 00:50:33.640 and essentially a soul winner coming by and like, you know, I want to hear what 00:50:33.640 --> 00:50:36.360 that church has to say, and then they hear the gospel of Jesus Christ and they end up 00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:40.490 getting saved, whereas they weren't that interested without this kind of event, 00:50:40.490 --> 00:50:44.990 without this kind of media attention, as it were. 00:50:44.990 --> 00:50:48.590 And some people would argue there's no such thing as bad press. 00:50:48.590 --> 00:50:52.910 And I almost feel convinced that that's probably true. 00:50:53.100 --> 00:50:59.020 Do you do you feel like there is your quote unquote bad press as it? 00:50:59.020 --> 00:51:00.220 No, I agree. 00:51:00.220 --> 00:51:03.450 I mean, here's the thing. 00:51:03.450 --> 00:51:07.760 First of all, the fact that YouTube and Google 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:12.420 are making policies based off of my preaching and the preaching of other 00:51:12.420 --> 00:51:16.440 pastors like me is a testament to the power of the word of God. 00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:23.580 And that's that's why it's a win when our sermons are even out of context are put 00:51:23.940 --> 00:51:27.060 all over the world, because it's the word of God. 00:51:27.060 --> 00:51:28.670 It's what the Bible says. 00:51:28.670 --> 00:51:32.450 And and then absolutely, you know, people hear it. 00:51:32.450 --> 00:51:37.710 You know, there's people all over this country that are in my church and your 00:51:37.710 --> 00:51:43.670 church and other churches, new churches that will tell you that they got saved 00:51:43.670 --> 00:51:48.920 because of documentaries and sermons and things going viral and whatever. 00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:54.860 And, you know, you there might be a few out there, but I usually the story is not. 00:51:55.050 --> 00:51:57.840 I I Google what must I do to be saved? 00:51:57.840 --> 00:51:59.940 And I was where the heaven video came up. 00:51:59.940 --> 00:52:02.450 Usually it's I watch this documentary. 00:52:02.450 --> 00:52:03.800 I saw the sermon came up. 00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:05.390 I saw this news thing. 00:52:05.390 --> 00:52:07.010 And then that led me to something else 00:52:07.010 --> 00:52:11.190 and led me to something else that eventually got them saved. 00:52:11.190 --> 00:52:15.590 So God uses that, you know, and it's it's it's been effective. 00:52:15.590 --> 00:52:20.330 So I don't believe there's any such thing as bad publicity. 00:52:20.330 --> 00:52:25.250 Obviously, if you want to be loved, if your goal, 00:52:25.450 --> 00:52:27.820 I guess it depends what your goal is. 00:52:27.820 --> 00:52:31.820 If your goal is to be loved by the world like Joel Osteen or Billy Graham, then 00:52:31.820 --> 00:52:34.540 yeah, there is a such thing as bad publicity. 00:52:34.540 --> 00:52:37.060 And there are some things you're just never going to say. 00:52:37.060 --> 00:52:38.210 You're never going to preach. 00:52:38.210 --> 00:52:41.960 But if your goal is to get the word of God out, if your goal is to get the 00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:45.980 preaching of God's word into the ears of as many people as possible, 00:52:45.980 --> 00:52:47.600 then there's no bad publicity. 00:52:47.600 --> 00:52:50.400 In fact, bad publicity is better than any 00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:53.650 publicity, in my opinion, because it gets you out further, faster. 00:52:53.850 --> 00:52:57.850 And I don't know if this is a word, but freer. 00:52:57.850 --> 00:52:59.760 Yeah, it's it's free. 00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:04.480 I mean, a few a couple of years ago, back in I want to say it was 2019. 00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:10.600 We had the LA and LA Times reporter came to the Red Hot Preaching Conference, was 00:53:10.600 --> 00:53:13.980 here the entire conference and then did this whole article. 00:53:13.980 --> 00:53:15.880 And I think we were like the front page 00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:21.470 of the LA Times or something like that, it was a big article in the LA Times 00:53:21.470 --> 00:53:23.370 all about our church and our conference. 00:53:23.560 --> 00:53:27.220 And if I would have went to the LA Times and said, hey, I'd like to, you know, 00:53:27.220 --> 00:53:32.330 have this huge publicity thing in your in your newspaper. 00:53:32.330 --> 00:53:35.070 It would have cost me like thirty thousand dollars or something. 00:53:35.070 --> 00:53:36.490 But they gave it to us for free. 00:53:36.490 --> 00:53:38.310 So 00:53:38.310 --> 00:53:43.960 I don't think there's any such thing as bad publicity when your goal is to preach 00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:45.450 the word of God and get the word of God out. 00:53:45.450 --> 00:53:51.870 If your goal is to become rich or be loved by the world, then then that's a different story. 00:53:51.870 --> 00:53:53.620 Yeah, of course. 00:53:53.620 --> 00:53:56.840 They're not going to be censoring lies. 00:53:56.840 --> 00:54:02.010 And so I we do have we have been neglecting some callers. 00:54:02.010 --> 00:54:06.020 So I want to get some callers in a minute, Dylan. 00:54:06.020 --> 00:54:09.920 You know, obviously you're just a young guy. 00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:12.870 You hear pastor men as his comments. 00:54:12.870 --> 00:54:16.800 Did you did you talk to other people about that? 00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:18.140 Like you said, you kind of heard that in the car. 00:54:18.140 --> 00:54:19.560 But did you bring that up with people? 00:54:19.560 --> 00:54:23.830 What was kind of the reaction from other people, you know, about this type of event 00:54:23.830 --> 00:54:25.790 or what is kind of the word on the street? 00:54:25.790 --> 00:54:30.790 Did you get anything, a few things at the time that this was happening, I was still 00:54:30.790 --> 00:54:33.400 going to an old IFB church. 00:54:33.400 --> 00:54:38.960 So the only time this was brought up around me was in a very negative light, you know, 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:44.820 because this church was afraid to preach on this issue, was afraid to talk about the sodomites. 00:54:44.820 --> 00:54:50.070 And that's really like we said earlier, since most people aren't preaching this, that's 00:54:50.070 --> 00:54:55.500 why the censorship is able, you know, to come after us so single handedly. 00:54:55.500 --> 00:54:58.850 But then, you know, when I move, obviously, to Vancouver, Washington and go to Verity 00:54:58.850 --> 00:55:03.080 Baptist Church Vancouver around some people that actually believe the Bible, you know, 00:55:03.080 --> 00:55:07.260 of course, then they're supporting their pastor and supporting what he said. 00:55:07.260 --> 00:55:08.260 Why? 00:55:08.260 --> 00:55:09.330 Because, you know, of the man? 00:55:09.330 --> 00:55:12.370 No, it's because he's preaching the Word of God. 00:55:12.370 --> 00:55:18.360 And you know, the reason why there's literal people conspiring and specifically coming 00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:24.910 against Pastor Jimenez, Pastor Shelley, you know, churches like ours, you know, in Psalms 00:55:24.910 --> 00:55:30.120 chapter 2, the Bible says the kings of the earth set themselves and the rulers take counsel 00:55:30.120 --> 00:55:34.600 together against the Lord and against his anointed. 00:55:34.600 --> 00:55:39.020 And so, wherever the Jesus of the Bible is being preached, wherever the Word of God is 00:55:39.020 --> 00:55:43.000 being preached, that's where the spiritual darkness, the powers of this earth are going 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:46.660 to be conspiring to come against those people. 00:55:46.660 --> 00:55:48.970 The devil doesn't care about Joel Osteen. 00:55:48.970 --> 00:55:51.800 The devil doesn't want to try to stop Joel Osteen. 00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:54.220 In fact, Joel Osteen works for the devil. 00:55:54.220 --> 00:55:59.690 Joel Osteen is helping the devil accomplish his goal in sending people to hell. 00:55:59.690 --> 00:56:05.060 But churches that actually preach the Lord Jesus Christ, the anointed, that is the church 00:56:05.060 --> 00:56:10.240 that the devil is going to set his targets against and try to come at them with censorship 00:56:10.240 --> 00:56:11.190 at first. 00:56:11.190 --> 00:56:14.280 That's the devil's goal at first, is to shut them up. 00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:17.970 But eventually, as we see in the book of Acts and as we read about in the New Testament, 00:56:17.970 --> 00:56:21.770 they want to take it past just shutting our mouths, don't they Pastor Shelley? 00:56:21.770 --> 00:56:22.760 Absolutely. 00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:27.740 Now, we're not about that, but we do have a way to call in too, because we're trying 00:56:27.740 --> 00:56:29.120 to do the opposite of censorship. 00:56:29.120 --> 00:56:34.820 We want to bring the most censored pastors on our show and we don't know how long we'll 00:56:34.820 --> 00:56:35.790 be on YouTube. 00:56:35.790 --> 00:56:37.920 But obviously, we want to keep going. 00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:43.830 But if you want to call in 231-Baptist, 231-Baptist, we've got a couple callers on the line. 00:56:43.830 --> 00:56:49.070 I think we have a John on the line from Verity. 00:56:49.070 --> 00:56:51.400 So let's see if we can get him on the line. 00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:55.680 Hey, John, are you there? 00:56:55.680 --> 00:56:57.380 Hello? 00:56:57.380 --> 00:56:59.150 Hey, you're on The Baptist Bias. 00:56:59.150 --> 00:56:59.910 Say hello. 00:56:59.910 --> 00:57:01.630 Oh, hi. 00:57:01.630 --> 00:57:03.040 Actually, my name is Jeffrey. 00:57:03.040 --> 00:57:04.060 Jeffrey, I'm sorry. 00:57:04.060 --> 00:57:05.720 Jeffrey, how's it going, Jeffrey? 00:57:05.720 --> 00:57:07.520 Hey, Jeffrey, how's it going? 00:57:07.520 --> 00:57:09.110 I'm hanging in there. 00:57:09.110 --> 00:57:10.580 Pastor Matt, it's good to hear from you again. 00:57:10.580 --> 00:57:13.230 It was good to see you on Sunday after all this time. 00:57:13.230 --> 00:57:15.280 Yes, Jeffrey, how are you doing? 00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:16.050 [INAUDIBLE] 00:57:16.050 --> 00:57:17.820 I'm hanging in there. 00:57:17.820 --> 00:57:18.830 Hanging in there pretty good. 00:57:18.830 --> 00:57:21.370 Be working again tonight, of course. 00:57:21.370 --> 00:57:23.780 Well, Pastor Shelley, I hope you guys are doing OK, 00:57:23.780 --> 00:57:25.520 given everything that's been going on 00:57:25.520 --> 00:57:27.180 and the different type of censorship, 00:57:27.180 --> 00:57:30.270 especially with the way a landlord can just 00:57:30.270 --> 00:57:34.810 almost like flipping a switch after what goes on. 00:57:34.810 --> 00:57:36.240 They just do it on a dime. 00:57:36.240 --> 00:57:37.940 It feels that way. 00:57:37.940 --> 00:57:41.360 Yeah, I mean, sometimes it can be anticipated, 00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:43.830 but you never really know what's going to happen. 00:57:43.830 --> 00:57:45.330 So I was going to see, do you have 00:57:45.330 --> 00:57:49.390 a question for Pastor Menez or for the show about censorship? 00:57:49.390 --> 00:57:52.470 Do you have something, or do you want to share your experience 00:57:52.470 --> 00:57:54.320 there on censorship? 00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:58.240 Well, I think it's good that we're 00:57:58.240 --> 00:58:01.350 trying to build our own infrastructure to counteract 00:58:01.350 --> 00:58:04.480 the censorship, especially with the banned 00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:07.180 but not banned email lists that we're able to keep 00:58:07.180 --> 00:58:10.670 distributing sermons or other materials. 00:58:10.670 --> 00:58:13.170 So that way we don't interrupt the pipeline 00:58:13.170 --> 00:58:17.480 of being able to continue to operate as it is. 00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:18.830 Yeah, so that's great. 00:58:18.830 --> 00:58:21.300 I think we should get past a minute to talk about that. 00:58:21.300 --> 00:58:24.590 But have you been on that list? 00:58:24.590 --> 00:58:26.400 Have you seen that working? 00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:28.080 Is that something you enjoy? 00:58:28.080 --> 00:58:29.780 Oh, yeah. 00:58:29.780 --> 00:58:32.590 Yeah, sometimes it links whether to the traditional sites 00:58:32.590 --> 00:58:34.530 or to the alternative tech sites. 00:58:34.530 --> 00:58:36.000 But the material's all there. 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:40.050 So it's all there for us to use and learn from. 00:58:40.050 --> 00:58:42.820 Is that something you share with other people? 00:58:42.820 --> 00:58:45.520 Yeah, absolutely. 00:58:45.520 --> 00:58:46.450 That's great. 00:58:46.450 --> 00:58:53.220 Now, to give some of our listeners a little idea, this band but not bound list is kind 00:58:53.220 --> 00:58:54.210 of an email list. 00:58:54.210 --> 00:58:56.230 Is that correct, Pastor Minnis? 00:58:56.230 --> 00:58:57.550 Yes, it is. 00:58:57.550 --> 00:59:00.590 And I can talk a little bit about it. 00:59:00.590 --> 00:59:02.360 Jeffrey, thank you for calling. 00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:03.590 And thanks for bringing that up. 00:59:03.590 --> 00:59:04.560 We're praying for her. 00:59:04.560 --> 00:59:06.670 I hope she gets better soon. 00:59:06.670 --> 00:59:15.590 In regards to the Band But Not Bound email list, this was something that we actually 00:59:15.590 --> 00:59:21.120 started as an answer to the censorship. 00:59:21.120 --> 00:59:27.630 Because like I said, we work at building YouTube channels and all of that, obviously that helps 00:59:27.630 --> 00:59:29.970 us get our message out. 00:59:29.970 --> 00:59:35.250 But we've had channels with 5,000 subscribers get shut down and 10,000 subscribers get 00:59:35.250 --> 00:59:42.550 shut down and many other channels that have different sizes get shut down. 00:59:42.550 --> 00:59:47.450 And of course, YouTube just at any moment can just hit a button and take your whole 00:59:47.450 --> 00:59:48.550 channel away. 00:59:48.550 --> 00:59:56.510 So what we decided was that instead of trying to build a channel that could be taken away 00:59:56.510 --> 01:00:02.080 from us, that is owned by people who hate us and hate God and hate the word of God and 01:00:02.080 --> 01:00:07.080 are using me as an example of what they don't want on their website, we thought that it'd 01:00:07.080 --> 01:00:14.890 be good to build an email list and so we got this idea to do an email list called Banned 01:00:14.890 --> 01:00:24.510 But Not Bound and what it is is that we are asking people if they like this type of preaching, 01:00:24.510 --> 01:00:31.820 they can go to BannedButNotBound.com, I'll give you a plugin if that's okay, BannedButNotBound.com 01:00:31.820 --> 01:00:41.090 and they can sign up and right now we have 2,203 emails on that list and it's growing 01:00:41.090 --> 01:00:42.560 every week. 01:00:42.560 --> 01:00:46.680 Obviously, it's harder to grow an email list than like a YouTube channel. 01:00:46.680 --> 01:00:54.090 But in my opinion, I think the emails are very valuable on that email list because these 01:00:54.090 --> 01:01:01.570 are people that are going to a website, signing up and they're people that want the truth 01:01:01.570 --> 01:01:05.780 and what we what we tell people is when you sign up for the Bad But Not Bound email list, 01:01:05.780 --> 01:01:12.680 you will get an email from us every month and it'll have a link to a sermon that has 01:01:12.680 --> 01:01:21.040 been censored from YouTube and it we're not promoting any one channel or anything. 01:01:21.040 --> 01:01:28.760 Sometimes we have them on like different sites that alternative type social media sites and 01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:33.610 sometimes they're not even our videos, they're other people's videos, steadfast videos, whatever. 01:01:33.610 --> 01:01:40.880 But they get those emails, they get links to sermons that are not allowed on YouTube. 01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:46.260 And we also send a bunch of other stuff, just normal sermons, videos when we do shorts, 01:01:46.260 --> 01:01:51.340 we send them out when we send out a link for this live stream tonight. 01:01:51.340 --> 01:01:58.750 So it's a way to gather information and emails of people who want this type of content. 01:01:58.750 --> 01:02:02.090 And what I like about it is that it can't be taken away from us, a YouTube channel can 01:02:02.090 --> 01:02:04.880 be taken away, but they can't take away this email list. 01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:12.990 So that's one thing we did to try to respond to the council culture and the censorship. 01:02:12.990 --> 01:02:18.160 And obviously, we're still going to use YouTube and we're going to use anything we can until 01:02:18.160 --> 01:02:24.910 they literally kick us off the internet, but this was a way for us. 01:02:24.910 --> 01:02:46.280 So we've got to let us know, send us, give us the link, we'll mail it out, email it out 01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:47.280 and let people know. 01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:51.960 If you have a sermon, you know, and I'm talking to you, Pastor Shelley, but any pastor that's 01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:56.100 hearing this, if you have a sermon that's been censored from YouTube, you know, put 01:02:56.100 --> 01:03:04.470 it on a different site like Rumbler or something and then send us the link and we'll get it 01:03:04.470 --> 01:03:05.460 out. 01:03:05.460 --> 01:03:08.650 We'll put it into that schedule where people get something every month. 01:03:08.650 --> 01:03:14.430 And it's our answer to the censorship. 01:03:14.430 --> 01:03:15.420 It's one of our answers. 01:03:15.420 --> 01:03:20.120 It's not the only answer, but it's one of the things we're doing is BannedButNotBound.com. 01:03:20.120 --> 01:03:21.660 So if you haven't signed up for it, please do so. 01:03:21.660 --> 01:03:30.320 Yeah, I think that's a great idea and it causes us to be more creative and work even harder. 01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:34.010 Whereas a lot of these other people, they don't have to work hard or come up with creative 01:03:34.010 --> 01:03:38.920 solutions because they're just basically following the devil's agenda and the devil's not giving 01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:41.240 them any kind of resistance. 01:03:41.240 --> 01:03:42.530 Absolutely. 01:03:42.530 --> 01:03:47.500 I guess on a request, maybe there's a documentary I heard that's pretty good, Sodomite Deception. 01:03:47.500 --> 01:03:50.340 Maybe you could put that in there in June, in the month of June. 01:03:50.340 --> 01:03:53.320 We will do that. 01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:58.760 I'd be surprised if it's not on our list already, but we'll make sure to have it be the June 01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:00.000 email. 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:08.400 There's definitely some fiery clips from a guy named Pat Sturman is in that one. 01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:09.330 We really like that. 01:04:09.330 --> 01:04:14.280 But you know, it's interesting how far this is going to go. 01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:20.510 And you know, I think that sometimes we want to even be ahead of the curve potentially. 01:04:20.510 --> 01:04:24.750 And I think that this band but not bound is a great way to kind of be a little bit ahead 01:04:24.750 --> 01:04:32.450 of the curve, looking forward and realizing, hey, I might have 15,000 subs right now, but 01:04:32.450 --> 01:04:36.080 that could be taken away tomorrow, like you said. 01:04:36.080 --> 01:04:40.830 And they could even just figure out new and creative ways to just keep getting us off. 01:04:40.830 --> 01:04:42.730 I wanted to play another clip. 01:04:42.730 --> 01:04:44.090 I think we still have some call ins. 01:04:44.090 --> 01:04:48.880 If you want to call in 231-Baptist, we'll get a quick question from you. 01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:53.860 Thanks Jeffrey for calling in and for his comments and we'll be praying for his mother 01:04:53.860 --> 01:04:55.160 as well. 01:04:55.160 --> 01:05:02.080 But there's a video I want to play, it's called a big win for Google and I'm sorry, no, there 01:05:02.080 --> 01:05:04.100 was a hate speech Google rep. 01:05:04.100 --> 01:05:05.840 That's the clip that I want to play. 01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:13.460 It's basically this lady talking to Congress or some kind of lawmakers and she's from 01:05:13.460 --> 01:05:19.350 Google and she's kind of explaining what they're doing to literally censor people like 01:05:19.350 --> 01:05:24.440 Pastram and as people that want to share the truth and then they wrap it in this language 01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:26.660 of quote, hate speech. 01:05:26.660 --> 01:05:31.440 But let's play this clip and I want to get some of your thoughts on what they say here. 01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:35.900 Around 2 billion people come to YouTube every month and we see over 500 hours of video uploaded 01:05:35.900 --> 01:05:40.830 every minute, making it one of the largest living collections of human culture ever assembled 01:05:40.830 --> 01:05:42.420 in one place. 01:05:42.420 --> 01:05:47.550 We know, however, that the very platforms that have enabled these societal benefits 01:05:47.550 --> 01:05:53.040 may also be abused, ranging from the annoying, like spam, to the criminal, like child pornography. 01:05:53.040 --> 01:05:57.630 Over the past two years, we've invested heavily in machines and people to quickly identify 01:05:57.630 --> 01:06:03.280 and remove content that violates our policies against incitement to violent and hate speech. 01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:08.090 First, YouTube's enforcement system starts from the point at which a user uploads a 01:06:08.090 --> 01:06:10.570 video. 01:06:10.570 --> 01:06:15.280 Kind of similar to videos that already violate our policies, it's sent to humans for review. 01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:18.960 If they determine that it violates our policies, they remove it and the system makes a digital 01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:23.400 fingerprint so that it cannot be uploaded again. 01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:28.590 In the fourth quarter of 2018, over 70% of the more than 8 million videos reviewed and 01:06:28.590 --> 01:06:32.890 removed were first flagged by a machine, the majority of which were removed before a single 01:06:32.890 --> 01:06:34.450 view was received. 01:06:34.450 --> 01:06:40.210 Second, we rely on experts to find videos the algorithm might be missing. 01:06:40.210 --> 01:06:43.760 Some of these experts sit at our in-house Intel desk, which proactively looks for new 01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:47.350 trends and content that may violate our policies. 01:06:47.350 --> 01:06:51.740 We also allow expert NGOs and governments to notify us of bad content in bulk through 01:06:51.740 --> 01:06:53.960 our Trusted Flagger program. 01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:57.590 We reserve the final decision on whether to remove a video that gets flagged by any of 01:06:57.590 --> 01:07:02.260 these entities, but we benefit immensely from their expertise. 01:07:02.260 --> 01:07:08.170 Finally, we go beyond enforcing our policies by creating programs to promote counter speech. 01:07:08.170 --> 01:07:11.500 Examples of this work include our Creators for Change program, which supports YouTube 01:07:11.500 --> 01:07:16.450 creators who are tackling issues like extremism and hate by building empathy and acting as 01:07:16.450 --> 01:07:18.240 positive role models. 01:07:18.240 --> 01:07:23.420 In addition, Google's Jigsaw Group has developed the redirect method, which uses targeted ads 01:07:23.420 --> 01:07:28.540 and YouTube videos to disrupt online radicalization. 01:07:28.540 --> 01:07:32.670 It's important to note that hate speech removals can be particularly complex compared to other 01:07:32.670 --> 01:07:34.510 types of content. 01:07:34.510 --> 01:07:40.080 Hate speech, because it often relies on spoken rather than visual cues, is sometimes harder 01:07:40.080 --> 01:07:43.920 to detect than some forms of branded terrorist propaganda. 01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:48.460 It's intensely context specific, and it can be contentious, as there is often disagreement 01:07:48.460 --> 01:07:51.780 on what could be considered political speech. 01:07:51.780 --> 01:07:55.970 On the opposite end, overaggressive enforcement can also inadvertently silence voices that 01:07:55.970 --> 01:08:01.040 are using the platform to make themselves heard on these important issues. 01:08:01.040 --> 01:08:04.720 Often in this space we've found that content can sit in a gray area that comes right up 01:08:04.720 --> 01:08:05.710 against the line. 01:08:05.710 --> 01:08:09.980 It may be offensive, but it does not violate YouTube's policies against incitement to 01:08:09.980 --> 01:08:12.390 violence and hate speech. 01:08:12.390 --> 01:08:16.720 When this occurs, we've built a policy to drastically reduce a video's visibility by 01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:21.360 making it ineligible for ads, removing its comments, and excluding it from our recommendation 01:08:21.360 --> 01:08:22.990 system. 01:08:22.990 --> 01:08:26.710 In particular, we understand the issues around YouTube's recommendation system may be top 01:08:26.710 --> 01:08:27.910 of mind. 01:08:27.910 --> 01:08:32.110 This is why several months ago we also updated our recommendation systems to begin reducing 01:08:32.110 --> 01:08:37.260 recommendations of even more borderline content or content that can misinform users in harmful 01:08:37.260 --> 01:08:38.940 ways. 01:08:38.940 --> 01:08:41.290 In conclusion, I'd like to end where I began. 01:08:41.290 --> 01:08:46.140 Google builds its products for all users from all political stripes around the globe. 01:08:46.140 --> 01:08:50.370 The long term success of our business is directly related to our ability to earn and maintain 01:08:50.370 --> 01:08:52.330 the trust of our users. 01:08:52.330 --> 01:08:56.560 We have a natural and long term incentive to make sure that our products work for users 01:08:56.560 --> 01:08:58.650 of all viewpoints. 01:08:58.650 --> 01:09:02.770 People will value these services only as long as they continue to trust them to work well 01:09:02.770 --> 01:09:07.220 and provide them with the most relevant and useful information. 01:09:07.220 --> 01:09:12.900 That's why hate speech and violent extremism have no place on YouTube. 01:09:12.900 --> 01:09:17.340 This clip is really interesting for a lot of reasons to me. 01:09:17.340 --> 01:09:20.910 Number one, she's making it clear and you know, nobody cares in that congress meeting 01:09:20.910 --> 01:09:24.030 because all those people are probably like on drugs or something. 01:09:24.030 --> 01:09:25.020 They don't really care. 01:09:25.020 --> 01:09:30.570 But if you pay attention to what she's saying, she's just literally giving the game plan 01:09:30.570 --> 01:09:31.560 for YouTube. 01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:36.860 They say that they're like working tirelessly to essentially shut down anything that they 01:09:36.860 --> 01:09:42.530 claim is hate speech, which again, how do we even determine what hate speech is? 01:09:42.530 --> 01:09:45.340 Because I guess it's whatever Pastor Jimenez preaches because that's how Google writes 01:09:45.340 --> 01:09:47.950 their hate speech policy. 01:09:47.950 --> 01:09:52.220 But she also said something which I think is really interesting because they use all 01:09:52.220 --> 01:09:56.330 these fancy acronyms and they try to sound really intelligent. 01:09:56.330 --> 01:10:03.240 But she said, sometimes we rely on NGOs to help us identify the videos in this speech. 01:10:03.240 --> 01:10:10.080 Well, NGO stands for non governmental organization, which just means any it just means anyone 01:10:10.080 --> 01:10:11.060 basically. 01:10:11.060 --> 01:10:15.180 I mean, hey, we use the government and non government organizations. 01:10:15.180 --> 01:10:19.080 So you're just saying you use anyone potentially is what you just said. 01:10:19.080 --> 01:10:21.960 And of course, they're going to use people like the SPLC. 01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:27.150 They're going to use the ADL, the Anti Defamation League, they're going to use essentially just 01:10:27.150 --> 01:10:30.360 whatever private interest group that pays them a bunch of money. 01:10:30.360 --> 01:10:35.120 They're just going to do their bidding and then claim its hate speech and get the silence 01:10:35.120 --> 01:10:37.200 whoever it is that they want. 01:10:37.200 --> 01:10:41.900 But I'd really like to see if they could give you the data, it'd be interesting to see how 01:10:41.900 --> 01:10:47.290 many videos they've censored of hate speech against Christians because of course, there's 01:10:47.290 --> 01:10:51.930 plenty of people that hate on the Bible, the Lord Jesus Christ, people who believe the 01:10:51.930 --> 01:10:53.350 Bible, Pastor Jimenez. 01:10:53.350 --> 01:10:57.350 I mean, I wonder how many videos have been taken down for people saying hateful things 01:10:57.350 --> 01:10:59.380 about Pastor Jimenez. 01:10:59.380 --> 01:11:00.350 That would be an interesting list. 01:11:00.350 --> 01:11:03.250 I think it'd probably be zero. 01:11:03.250 --> 01:11:07.330 And of course, it's fine to hate Pastor Jimenez, like you said, you said you were literally 01:11:07.330 --> 01:11:09.090 the most hated person in America. 01:11:09.090 --> 01:11:10.420 It's hard to contest that. 01:11:10.420 --> 01:11:14.240 I mean, I feel like even the Muslims hated you because they were hoping they were going 01:11:14.240 --> 01:11:16.850 to get all this glory and you took it away from them. 01:11:16.850 --> 01:11:22.680 They're like, they don't even care about the guy that literally committed a massacre. 01:11:22.680 --> 01:11:27.050 They care about a Baptist preacher saying that he's not sad that it happened, you know, 01:11:27.050 --> 01:11:28.040 essentially. 01:11:28.040 --> 01:11:33.190 And it's just kind of crazy how they get to just shift the narrative and demonize whoever 01:11:33.190 --> 01:11:37.200 they want and then claim at the same time that they don't hate anybody. 01:11:37.200 --> 01:11:42.580 It's just a giant hypocrisy that really just kind of goes unnoticed by them because I think 01:11:42.580 --> 01:11:47.450 they're all just, I think the news at this point is kind of paid actors, if you ask me. 01:11:47.450 --> 01:11:52.140 But I wanted to get your thoughts on, you know, kind of the things that she said. 01:11:52.140 --> 01:11:56.320 It sounds like they're pretty active towards trying to censor us coming up with creative 01:11:56.320 --> 01:11:57.390 ways. 01:11:57.390 --> 01:12:02.680 I mean, does it not feel that way that you know, there's really a full scale attack and 01:12:02.680 --> 01:12:07.400 just basically this, this system that's going into place to try and really censor just Christianity 01:12:07.400 --> 01:12:09.010 in general? 01:12:09.010 --> 01:12:09.960 Absolutely. 01:12:09.960 --> 01:12:15.680 Yeah. 01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:22.280 And that she brought up, um, which is the fact that not are they shutting down our channels? 01:12:22.280 --> 01:12:29.000 That's, that's one thing, but also they are suppressing our channels. 01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:36.470 So I, we've that there are, there's, there's content we put out and it just kind of seems 01:12:36.470 --> 01:12:41.120 like for the amount of subscribers we have and kind of the, the things that we're used 01:12:41.120 --> 01:12:43.900 to seeing there, there should be a lot more views here. 01:12:43.900 --> 01:12:49.670 There should be, but one thing they can also do is they can just hide you and suppress 01:12:49.670 --> 01:12:53.410 you so that they don't really take you off, but nobody really sees you unless they're 01:12:53.410 --> 01:12:55.060 looking for you. 01:12:55.060 --> 01:13:00.380 So that's definitely something that, that they're, they're doing as well. 01:13:00.380 --> 01:13:06.670 And and like I said, that that's why we have to, you know, we, we could sit here and just 01:13:06.670 --> 01:13:12.680 have this defeated attitude that says the whole world is hostile towards us and you 01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:16.520 know, there's nothing we can do about it. And, and the whole world definitely, it 01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:19.180 feels like the world is definitely hostile towards Bible believing Christians. 01:13:19.180 --> 01:13:23.850 And even with the point that you made about Muslims, you know, you're, you're 01:13:23.850 --> 01:13:29.310 right that you would think that there would be this hate against Islam instead 01:13:29.310 --> 01:13:34.630 of hate against me. But it just shows you that the media wants to hate 01:13:34.630 --> 01:13:39.270 Christianity. They don't necessarily care about other religions. They want to 01:13:39.270 --> 01:13:43.570 hate Bible believing Christians. And so that's, that's their agenda. 01:13:44.660 --> 01:13:49.790 But we, we have to just not have a defeated attitude. And, you know, 01:13:49.790 --> 01:13:52.970 we have to have an attitude like Paul said, when, uh, you know, 01:13:52.970 --> 01:13:55.070 he said, I labored more abundantly than they all. 01:13:55.070 --> 01:14:00.850 And the truth is that you and I are not going to get to be treated like all 01:14:00.850 --> 01:14:06.510 these liberal old IFB bastards that are not preaching controversial things. 01:14:06.510 --> 01:14:10.200 Um, but we're going to just labor more abundantly than they all, 01:14:10.200 --> 01:14:14.620 we're going to work hard and work harder to get the message out. And, 01:14:14.770 --> 01:14:18.190 and I'm not, you know, ban, but not bound. It's just what we did. Um, 01:14:18.190 --> 01:14:21.820 I like to do things that I understand. And to me, I, 01:14:21.820 --> 01:14:25.500 I understood an email list that made sense to me, gathering emails, 01:14:25.500 --> 01:14:26.960 sending out links, you know, 01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:31.090 the problem with some of these alternative social media sites is that they just 01:14:31.090 --> 01:14:34.670 don't get the traffic that YouTube does. So you can post videos there, 01:14:34.670 --> 01:14:38.370 but they don't get as many views. But my thought was, well, if we could gather, 01:14:38.370 --> 01:14:40.880 you know, and as far as I'm concerned, we're just getting started. I mean, 01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:45.570 my goal for band but not bound would be to have 5,000, 10,000, 15, 20,000 01:14:45.570 --> 01:14:50.340 subscribers, a hundred thousand emails one day. And my thought is this, 01:14:50.340 --> 01:14:54.590 if we have to start a brand new YouTube channel every week, 01:14:54.590 --> 01:14:55.900 cause they're just shutting us down, 01:14:55.900 --> 01:15:01.010 but we post a sermon on a YouTube channel with zero subscribers and we 01:15:01.010 --> 01:15:05.090 email it to 50,000 people. Um, 01:15:05.090 --> 01:15:07.930 then I don't really care what the views are. If they shut us down every week, 01:15:08.620 --> 01:15:12.340 we're still getting the message out. So we just have to work at it. 01:15:12.340 --> 01:15:14.130 And there's other things you can do. You know, 01:15:14.130 --> 01:15:18.510 people talk to me about blockchain and, and, and other, uh, things. 01:15:18.510 --> 01:15:21.090 I think anything we can do, I'm all for it. Some of these things, 01:15:21.090 --> 01:15:23.940 I'm not a techie guy. Some of these things I don't really understand. 01:15:23.940 --> 01:15:27.810 I get an email list. Um, but I'm, I'm all for it. 01:15:27.810 --> 01:15:33.570 I'm all for figuring out how to get the word of God, uh, 01:15:33.570 --> 01:15:37.710 out there. And you know, we did ban, but not bound, but that's not the, 01:15:37.710 --> 01:15:41.330 the only thing, you know, I, obviously the other thing we have to remember is 01:15:41.330 --> 01:15:44.140 that social media is not the only way to get the word of God out there. 01:15:44.140 --> 01:15:47.540 And obviously it's a big way and it's technology. We live in a society, 01:15:47.540 --> 01:15:50.010 we live in a world where technology is available to us, 01:15:50.010 --> 01:15:53.880 so we should use it, uh, in my opinion. But you know, 01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:56.080 obviously we do door to door soul winning, uh, 01:15:56.080 --> 01:15:58.890 because the Bible says to do that, but that's, 01:15:58.890 --> 01:16:01.630 that's a way that you can get the word of God out. Um, 01:16:01.630 --> 01:16:05.800 something else that we started at our church, uh, 01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:10.800 which is just an alternative way to reach people is we started a, 01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:13.460 uh, prison ministry, not, not, 01:16:13.460 --> 01:16:16.670 not a traditional prison ministry like what you normally hear of a church going 01:16:16.670 --> 01:16:19.640 into prisons. We want to do that and we're trying to do that too, but we, 01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:22.390 we've had issues with that. Um, but, 01:16:22.390 --> 01:16:27.960 but what we started was a mailing list for prisoners and uh, 01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:34.030 people that are in prison. Uh, it started with, with one guy, um, 01:16:34.070 --> 01:16:39.200 that we was in prison that was part of our church family and we wanted him to get 01:16:39.200 --> 01:16:42.050 sermons while he was there. So we started trans, you know, 01:16:42.050 --> 01:16:44.660 transcribing sermons and mailing them cause they, 01:16:44.660 --> 01:16:48.210 they don't have access to the internet or YouTube or whatever. And, uh, 01:16:48.210 --> 01:16:49.810 and then he got somebody saved. 01:16:49.810 --> 01:16:52.560 So we started doing it for a second guy and they got another person saves. 01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:55.470 We started doing it for a second guy and it just kind of grew from there. 01:16:55.470 --> 01:17:00.690 And today we have 303 people on our prison ministry, 01:17:02.520 --> 01:17:07.710 mailing list and every month they get two transcribed sermons from our church, 01:17:07.710 --> 01:17:12.650 303 inmates throughout the country. Um, that's, that's an, uh, in my, you know, 01:17:12.650 --> 01:17:15.860 that's an untapped, uh, ministry. 01:17:15.860 --> 01:17:19.240 Get the word of God out there. And let me say this, 01:17:19.240 --> 01:17:21.820 if you're watching and you have a loved one or a family member, a friend, 01:17:21.820 --> 01:17:26.280 that's, that's, uh, incarcerated, uh, please, uh, email us their, 01:17:26.280 --> 01:17:30.900 their address and we will get them on that list. Um, info@ardybaptist.com 01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:37.880 and, uh, you know, we, we, we transcribe sermons and, uh, 01:17:37.880 --> 01:17:41.050 and then we, we, our staff guys once a month, 01:17:41.050 --> 01:17:44.310 they get together and we've got some young guys that volunteer, uh, 01:17:44.310 --> 01:17:48.350 from our church and they print them all out and fold them and put them in 01:17:48.350 --> 01:17:51.520 envelopes and we have the mailing list and the return address labels and the 01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:55.260 stamps, they get it all together and mail them out. And you know, that's, 01:17:55.260 --> 01:18:00.050 that's another thing we're doing. Uh, so it's not all about social media, uh, 01:18:00.070 --> 01:18:02.880 but obviously social media is a big thing and we want to continue to use that. 01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:08.770 No, I think that that's great. And you know, this hate speech thing is just, 01:18:08.770 --> 01:18:12.470 it's just really weird. You know, is that something you grew up with Billin? 01:18:12.470 --> 01:18:15.240 Have you ever heard of hate? I mean, when did you hear about hate speech? 01:18:15.240 --> 01:18:20.450 I mean, growing up, even just in the two thousands, 01:18:20.450 --> 01:18:23.930 I feel like a lot of the things that you guys preach against, 01:18:23.930 --> 01:18:25.900 we're still seen as a negative growing up. 01:18:25.900 --> 01:18:30.000 So it seems like it just happened overnight almost where, you know, 01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:34.280 I'm 24 years old yet when I was a kid, even I feel like I'm in a different 01:18:34.280 --> 01:18:37.620 country now than back then. So to me, 01:18:37.620 --> 01:18:42.980 it just seems like it just blew up overnight in the 2010, 2011 ish time. 01:18:42.980 --> 01:18:45.210 But no, growing up, I had never heard of that. 01:18:45.210 --> 01:18:48.540 Well, there's gonna, there's a lot of challenges. You could kind of tell, 01:18:48.540 --> 01:18:50.490 you know, what she's saying, you know, 01:18:50.490 --> 01:18:52.820 especially having a little bit of a tech background, 01:18:52.820 --> 01:18:55.890 having been a software developer for several years, you know, 01:18:55.890 --> 01:19:00.100 they can't just necessarily turn off certain words because sometimes the people 01:19:00.100 --> 01:19:03.990 that are against us, they use our words against us. And so they just ban, 01:19:03.990 --> 01:19:04.940 you know, certain words, 01:19:04.940 --> 01:19:08.980 they'll just kick all kinds of people off of their YouTube platform and they'll 01:19:08.980 --> 01:19:12.380 get mad at them. Or if they ban particular words, 01:19:12.380 --> 01:19:16.030 sometimes people might misspeak or their accents thick and they say a certain 01:19:16.030 --> 01:19:19.450 word and it sounds like another one and then they get their YouTube video flag. 01:19:19.450 --> 01:19:24.430 So they have to have like this army of human people constantly watching her 01:19:24.430 --> 01:19:26.180 sermons. I, you know, 01:19:26.180 --> 01:19:31.000 would be cool is if when we get into heaven, there's like this YouTube moderator. 01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:33.540 That was like, so I hated you guys, 01:19:33.540 --> 01:19:37.630 but I had to listen to so much of your preaching. I ended up getting saved. 01:19:37.630 --> 01:19:43.080 I mean, that would be so cool if we got that. Now we have some more, 01:19:43.080 --> 01:19:45.300 we have some more callers online. I want to get, see if we can get to them. 01:19:45.300 --> 01:19:48.850 Keith had called in and we've kept them on the line waiting a little bit. 01:19:48.850 --> 01:19:52.680 So apologize. I hope that he's still there. He didn't give up on us. 01:19:52.680 --> 01:19:55.750 You got to be steadfast when you're one of these callers. Okay. Keith, 01:19:55.750 --> 01:19:56.940 are you on the line? Can you hear us? 01:19:56.940 --> 01:19:59.690 Hey, yeah, I'm here. Can you hear me all right? 01:19:59.690 --> 01:20:02.910 Yeah. Thanks for calling in. Keith's from Utah. 01:20:02.910 --> 01:20:06.990 And didn't you say you had lived in California for a little bit? 01:20:06.990 --> 01:20:13.480 Yeah. Just about an hour or so from Pastor Mejia when he was in 01:20:13.480 --> 01:20:15.590 El Monte before he got blown up. 01:20:15.590 --> 01:20:20.990 Oh man. So do you have a question for us related to censorship or, 01:20:20.990 --> 01:20:22.760 or something you wanted to share about censorship? 01:20:22.760 --> 01:20:29.050 Yeah. I just wanted to say it's been great hearing the examples so far. 01:20:29.050 --> 01:20:30.590 And just out in Utah, 01:20:30.590 --> 01:20:35.430 the town that I'm particularly in used to be ran by a cult leader. 01:20:35.430 --> 01:20:39.990 He's in prison now because he got caught and proven in court to be a pedophile, 01:20:39.990 --> 01:20:43.940 but he was an offshoot of the mainstream Mormon church. 01:20:43.940 --> 01:20:49.250 And we're just about 12 miles south of Zion national park to kind of just give a 01:20:49.250 --> 01:20:53.350 reference for that. He was such a wicked person. 01:20:53.350 --> 01:20:55.720 He got on the FBI is most wanted list. 01:20:55.720 --> 01:20:59.390 He made it into the top 10 when Osama bin Laden was still on the list. 01:21:00.390 --> 01:21:05.420 And the people in this community kind of have turned a blind eye to it. 01:21:05.420 --> 01:21:10.780 They, they, they bought into this perception that it was just persecution 01:21:10.780 --> 01:21:13.820 against him instead of admitting the fact that he was just a pedophile. 01:21:13.820 --> 01:21:19.750 What he had done was he had groomed children as young as 12 years old. 01:21:19.750 --> 01:21:24.000 And he had eventually amassed over 70 wives in this massive compound in the 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:29.520 desert. And one of the big reasons that that's a big deal in Utah is because he 01:21:30.580 --> 01:21:36.130 got all of his ideas from Joseph Smith who the church vehemently denies was 01:21:36.130 --> 01:21:39.960 involved in polygamy even though he was doing a lot of the same things that the 01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:42.500 guy out here was doing in the 2000s. 01:21:42.500 --> 01:21:47.200 So I've just found it interesting talking to some Mormons that are fundamentalists 01:21:47.200 --> 01:21:49.250 and Mormons that aren't fundamentalists. 01:21:49.250 --> 01:21:55.350 It's just kind of mind blowing the cognitive dissonance that's out here when it 01:21:55.350 --> 01:21:56.390 comes to that. 01:21:56.390 --> 01:22:01.770 Well, and I guess the Mormons, they exercise their own form of censorship. 01:22:01.770 --> 01:22:05.550 I've, I've heard it online and I've kind of asked some Mormons and they kind of 01:22:05.550 --> 01:22:07.340 conferred, but they, 01:22:07.340 --> 01:22:12.870 they literally won't listen to anything that's negative about the Mormon church. 01:22:12.870 --> 01:22:16.440 And what I think is kind of interesting is that's almost like what America is 01:22:16.440 --> 01:22:17.710 trying to do to itself. 01:22:17.710 --> 01:22:20.450 They're trying to become like the Mormons where they're not allowed to hear 01:22:20.450 --> 01:22:24.830 anything negative, nothing bad about America, nothing bad about its politicians, 01:22:24.830 --> 01:22:27.090 nothing bad about the Democrat party. You know, 01:22:27.090 --> 01:22:29.920 we're not allowed to preach the Bible and preach against a certain community. 01:22:30.440 --> 01:22:34.410 And you got to ask yourself if the Mormons can get so weird to have 70 wives 01:22:34.410 --> 01:22:36.830 and become pedophiles. I mean, what's that going to do to America? 01:22:36.830 --> 01:22:39.210 If we just get one narrative, you know, 01:22:39.210 --> 01:22:44.690 you can only hear one idea and one essential program. 01:22:44.690 --> 01:22:49.340 You know, that type of censorship literally just destroys an entire area. 01:22:49.340 --> 01:22:53.910 Whereas, you know, I don't feel like from a biblical perspective, 01:22:53.910 --> 01:22:57.150 you really see the idea of the censorship. In fact, 01:22:57.150 --> 01:22:59.420 I think of Jeremiah in the Bible. 01:23:00.030 --> 01:23:03.260 He even allows other preachers who are like just literally a false prophet, 01:23:03.260 --> 01:23:06.060 just get up and preach just to hear what they have to say. 01:23:06.060 --> 01:23:08.560 But then obviously if it's false, he's going to call them out, 01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:12.320 but he doesn't like stop them from even being able to just at least share 01:23:12.320 --> 01:23:13.550 whatever they were going to share. 01:23:13.550 --> 01:23:18.460 He just allows them to condemn themselves by their own words, which, you know, 01:23:18.460 --> 01:23:22.580 it seems a pretty effective tool because whenever you compare a truth or a lie, 01:23:22.580 --> 01:23:24.290 that the lie just doesn't have a chance. 01:23:24.290 --> 01:23:29.820 And that's why these people want to censor the truth is because they know it's 01:23:29.820 --> 01:23:33.740 going to expose them for who they truly are. Like this cult leader, 01:23:33.740 --> 01:23:35.820 you said there in Utah. 01:23:35.820 --> 01:23:39.920 So thanks for sharing that story with us, Keith. And thanks for, 01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:44.120 for hanging on the line. Do you have another quick question or? 01:23:44.120 --> 01:23:50.090 I would just maybe one more story with the same region. 01:23:50.090 --> 01:23:54.550 So he actually ended up banning certain words in the community and he also banned 01:23:54.550 --> 01:23:58.750 access to internet. He banned different colors that you couldn't wear. 01:23:58.790 --> 01:24:03.720 So you'd be either no drag out of town basically by the little, 01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:07.330 they have like a mini car cell police force that they would use against people 01:24:07.330 --> 01:24:09.630 like that. But it was like, 01:24:09.630 --> 01:24:12.710 unlike anything you totally would see on any other place in America. 01:24:12.710 --> 01:24:16.990 But now it's kind of feeling like the internet is like that where, you know, 01:24:16.990 --> 01:24:18.870 just because something's offensive to somebody, 01:24:18.870 --> 01:24:22.370 I think that it's going to be offensive to people that haven't heard it in a 01:24:22.370 --> 01:24:27.540 long time or they're hearing it for the first time. It might rub them the wrong 01:24:27.540 --> 01:24:28.840 way. It might make them uncomfortable, 01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:32.350 but it doesn't mean that they don't need to hear it because the second people 01:24:32.350 --> 01:24:33.440 hear that, 01:24:33.440 --> 01:24:37.270 what was really going on in a lot of situations or when people realize the 01:24:37.270 --> 01:24:42.480 differences between what the LDS church teaches and what's actually in the 01:24:42.480 --> 01:24:45.660 Bible, when you're just able to make that difference with somebody, 01:24:45.660 --> 01:24:48.170 it goes such a long way for them to say, wow, that was really, 01:24:48.170 --> 01:24:51.110 really refreshing and uncomfortable at the same time. 01:24:51.110 --> 01:24:55.530 You can kind of see them having that thought battle back and forth in their 01:24:55.530 --> 01:24:58.160 head. Just like, man, like what have I been told my whole life? 01:24:58.200 --> 01:25:02.130 But, um, that's really what I like about just being able to share the truth with 01:25:02.130 --> 01:25:05.030 people and, and making a difference that way. 01:25:05.030 --> 01:25:08.090 Because when people are just so sheltered from information, 01:25:08.090 --> 01:25:09.600 it does nobody any good. 01:25:09.600 --> 01:25:12.550 Well, thanks so much for calling in, Keith. Uh, 01:25:12.550 --> 01:25:16.810 I didn't realize that colors could be hateful. That's new to me. 01:25:16.810 --> 01:25:20.080 He banned the color red. 01:25:20.080 --> 01:25:26.380 How are we going to have the red hot preaching conference if we can't even have 01:25:26.380 --> 01:25:32.130 the color red? Yeah. Well, thanks for calling in. Have a good night. 01:25:32.130 --> 01:25:36.760 And, uh, have you ever heard about someone banning the color red, 01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:40.710 pastor Venice? No, that's the first I've heard of that. That's pretty crazy. 01:25:40.710 --> 01:25:44.310 Well, you got the square in Moscow and aren't Russians banned now. 01:25:44.310 --> 01:25:49.850 Yeah. Well, you know, it's, it's crazy. The, the, 01:25:49.850 --> 01:25:52.170 what you've been bringing up pastor Shelley is so true. 01:25:52.170 --> 01:25:57.220 It's crazy that we live in the United States of America and a country that 01:25:57.540 --> 01:26:00.750 prides itself on freedom of speech. 01:26:00.750 --> 01:26:06.230 And that's exactly what is being censored is free speech right now. 01:26:06.230 --> 01:26:11.790 I just saw a quote recently from the CEO of Twitter. 01:26:11.790 --> 01:26:14.150 He's a thing. He's like an Indian guy or something, 01:26:14.150 --> 01:26:18.350 but he literally just says that like, forget about freedom of speech. 01:26:18.350 --> 01:26:22.850 We're only allowing the things that we like and that we allow. 01:26:22.850 --> 01:26:27.930 And it's just crazy. It's, it's, it's the world and it's happening here in the USA. 01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:30.500 It's insanity. 01:26:30.500 --> 01:26:35.250 So what's the point of having the first amendment if every single business just 01:26:35.250 --> 01:26:39.390 decides not to allow the first amendment to even exist? I mean, it's like, 01:26:39.390 --> 01:26:43.480 doesn't the first amendment say that there should be no law passed? I mean, 01:26:43.480 --> 01:26:47.670 and obviously that's from a governmental perspective and I get that, but I mean, 01:26:47.670 --> 01:26:52.210 how much are we going to blur the lines between the laws that the government is 01:26:52.210 --> 01:26:57.120 allowed to have and enforce with just all of these companies who are essentially 01:26:57.120 --> 01:27:01.200 monopolies propped up by the government funded by the government, you know, 01:27:01.200 --> 01:27:05.880 intertwined with the politicians who are making these laws and then say like, 01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:08.780 Oh, but it's a private business. You know, 01:27:08.780 --> 01:27:14.620 it's like that argument doesn't really, you know, hold any water. Um, and, 01:27:14.620 --> 01:27:15.510 and again, it, to me, 01:27:15.510 --> 01:27:21.020 it almost seems like we're just becoming a giant cult of personality. Um, 01:27:21.020 --> 01:27:25.350 there's just a few men behind the curtain, whoever they are that, I guess, 01:27:25.370 --> 01:27:30.410 get to decide some NGO, you know, that tells Google what to do. 01:27:30.410 --> 01:27:32.940 You know, is that, is that George Soros? I mean, who do, 01:27:32.940 --> 01:27:37.460 who even know this is who is this person that's deciding what's hateful? Um, 01:27:37.460 --> 01:27:40.780 I ventured to believe everything is hateful to someone. 01:27:40.780 --> 01:27:45.000 And so it's really kind of a dangerous, uh, 01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:49.560 society that we're getting towards if we don't have anybody standing up for free 01:27:49.560 --> 01:27:51.840 speech. And you know, there is some people that are, you know, 01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:55.250 maybe not quite our brand of Christian or maybe not even Christian that are 01:27:55.250 --> 01:27:57.710 fighting supposedly for free speech. 01:27:57.710 --> 01:28:00.310 And there's a lot of these quote unquote alternative platforms, 01:28:00.310 --> 01:28:04.140 but I've noticed that on these quote alternative platforms, 01:28:04.140 --> 01:28:07.180 they still don't want our level of free speech. Like they, 01:28:07.180 --> 01:28:09.760 they claim that they're free speech, but like rumble, you know, 01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:13.150 I put up the sodomy deception and it got taken down faster than YouTube took it 01:28:13.150 --> 01:28:17.910 down. Oh really? Wow. Yeah. I, or we put up, you know, our sermons or information, 01:28:17.910 --> 01:28:20.710 you know, like even that Christian app, they're like, Oh, 01:28:20.710 --> 01:28:23.970 YouTube censoring Christians. And I'm like, well, here's what I preach. 01:28:23.970 --> 01:28:26.820 And here's our content is like, well, we can't have that. And it is just like, 01:28:26.820 --> 01:28:31.590 it doesn't seem like anybody actually believes in free speech anymore, 01:28:31.590 --> 01:28:36.040 which is kind of a sad day for America because you're really not limiting hate 01:28:36.040 --> 01:28:39.760 speech. You're just limiting the truth. Right. We have another caller. 01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:45.870 Peter James is calling in and I think that he has a plugin that has to do with 01:28:45.870 --> 01:28:52.180 pastor men is here too. But Peter, are you on the line? Can you hear us? Yeah. 01:28:52.180 --> 01:28:56.590 Hey, how are you guys? Great. Thanks for calling in. Hey Peter, how you doing? 01:28:58.210 --> 01:29:02.940 Hey, pastor. How are you? I'm good. Good to hear your voice. Yeah. 01:29:02.940 --> 01:29:07.050 So, so you guys are talking about censorship? Yes, sir. You got a, 01:29:07.050 --> 01:29:10.830 you got a question or a story for us? Well, you know, 01:29:10.830 --> 01:29:15.430 I I've been censored on Facebook a lot when I just post basic opposition to like, 01:29:15.430 --> 01:29:16.120 you know, 01:29:16.120 --> 01:29:18.630 sodomite brainwashing of children and that kind of thing. 01:29:18.630 --> 01:29:23.100 And it becomes more rampant, but now they banned my main Facebook account. 01:29:23.100 --> 01:29:26.950 So I can't even plug the Northeast new ISP conference night that's happening. 01:29:26.950 --> 01:29:30.440 I love it. Have you heard about that? Pastor Shelley over there at Steadfast. 01:29:30.440 --> 01:29:33.400 I feel like I need to hear more about it. Why don't you tell us? 01:29:33.400 --> 01:29:37.000 Well, if you haven't heard, uh, 01:29:37.000 --> 01:29:40.270 pastor Jimenez who you have on the program tonight is going to be out here 01:29:40.270 --> 01:29:44.400 preaching on June 10th in New Jersey. And that hasn't been censored yet. 01:29:44.400 --> 01:29:49.620 And not only is pastor Jimenez going to be here preaching also pastor Aaron 01:29:49.620 --> 01:29:54.070 Thompson will be here as well. And that's on a Friday night, June 10th. 01:29:54.070 --> 01:29:57.250 And then on June 11th, we're going to have a soul winning marathon. 01:29:57.250 --> 01:30:01.800 So I'm trying to spread the word abroad for this event. It's going, 01:30:01.800 --> 01:30:05.530 it's going to be exciting. I've been excited about it and I'm looking forward to it. 01:30:05.530 --> 01:30:07.210 Well, we want to fight that, 01:30:07.210 --> 01:30:10.900 that Facebook censorship and give information out there sounds like a dynamic 01:30:10.900 --> 01:30:16.430 duo and that's going to be great. Um, too bad. I'm like, 01:30:16.430 --> 01:30:20.280 I don't know, 25 hours away from New Jersey or something like that. 01:30:20.280 --> 01:30:25.650 But I know that pastor Jimenez must have a lot more love than, 01:30:26.450 --> 01:30:30.340 than he gets credit for, if he's willing to come from sunny California to New 01:30:30.340 --> 01:30:31.160 Jersey here. 01:30:31.160 --> 01:30:36.200 Yeah. The garden state, huh? Nice in the summer there. 01:30:36.200 --> 01:30:40.770 Isn't it nice in New Jersey in the summertime? Oh, well, let me just say this. 01:30:40.770 --> 01:30:42.860 Like it gets a bad rap and we joke about it, 01:30:42.860 --> 01:30:45.680 but New Jersey is a great state, the great state of New Jersey. 01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:50.280 It is the garden state. It's got four good seasons. It's, but the thing is, 01:30:50.280 --> 01:30:53.060 it's, it's March right now in New Jersey and that's when we get, you know, 01:30:53.060 --> 01:30:56.440 those bitter, those bitter windy cold, that bitter windy cold. 01:30:56.800 --> 01:30:59.850 But other than that, I like how the, we have the four distinct seasons. 01:30:59.850 --> 01:31:01.040 They're not too extreme, 01:31:01.040 --> 01:31:06.040 but people think it's just drab dreary kind of state. But you know, 01:31:06.040 --> 01:31:07.780 I like living in New Jersey, but yeah, 01:31:07.780 --> 01:31:11.780 I'm really excited that a pastor Jimenez coming out here to visit and, 01:31:11.780 --> 01:31:15.760 and pastor Thompson, that's going to be awesome. I'm trying to prepare things. 01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:20.150 Yeah. Hopefully you'll have a big crowd. How do, 01:31:20.150 --> 01:31:22.990 if someone has any questions about it, how do they contact? 01:31:22.990 --> 01:31:26.070 Or who do they need to contact? Or is there an email or something? 01:31:26.110 --> 01:31:32.020 They can contact me. They can email me at eastcoastbaptistone@gmail.com. 01:31:32.020 --> 01:31:34.040 Also, there's information about, 01:31:34.040 --> 01:31:36.470 it's called the Northeast New ISD Conference Night. 01:31:36.470 --> 01:31:41.140 And there's information about it on the Verity Baptist Church YouTube channel, 01:31:41.140 --> 01:31:43.230 also on the Pillar and Ground YouTube channel, 01:31:43.230 --> 01:31:48.210 Shere Foundation Baptist Church YouTube channel, you know, 01:31:48.210 --> 01:31:53.140 Pastor Thompson posted about it as well. But, you know, I'm really excited. 01:31:53.140 --> 01:31:56.680 You know, one thing I'm really excited about is that we have two church 01:31:56.680 --> 01:32:02.230 planting pastors coming. And because that, you know, that's basically my 01:32:02.230 --> 01:32:06.000 vision and my hope for this part of the country is that the church is planted 01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:10.410 out here in my lifetime. But it's been really, you know, one thing that's been 01:32:10.410 --> 01:32:16.120 really delightful, like as a Christian to see is basically seeing other people's, 01:32:16.120 --> 01:32:22.000 you know, growth and their progression and seeing, you know, how, you know, God 01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:27.890 is using them. And, and yeah, so Pastor Jimenez sent out Pastor Thompson and, 01:32:27.930 --> 01:32:33.890 you know, you have one church planting pastor who sent out a pastor who is now a 01:32:33.890 --> 01:32:37.770 church planting pastor. And the fruit of the righteous is the tree of life. 01:32:37.770 --> 01:32:40.430 You know, there's lots of trees, you know, 01:32:40.430 --> 01:32:43.800 we have a couple of trees of life coming over here and hopefully we can get, 01:32:43.800 --> 01:32:47.410 hopefully get some churches planted over here as well in the future. 01:32:47.410 --> 01:32:54.800 Yeah. I mean, obviously the East coast needs the gospel really bad. And you know, 01:32:54.800 --> 01:32:59.490 we need more people that are willing to go out to these parts, the garden state. 01:32:59.490 --> 01:33:04.360 So maybe, maybe your conference can plant some seeds and some young men's hearts 01:33:04.360 --> 01:33:09.010 that want to maybe reach that demographic, reach that area. 01:33:09.010 --> 01:33:14.680 And I know I listened to a podcast one time and someone said that California is 01:33:14.680 --> 01:33:20.210 the front lines and that Texas is like where you go to just relax. 01:33:20.210 --> 01:33:26.100 Well, I think you're proving us wrong. Just a part. No, 01:33:26.100 --> 01:33:29.150 no, no one ever wants to come to California because it's so tough. 01:33:29.150 --> 01:33:33.880 And I think you're proving that maybe they should come to California and get a 01:33:33.880 --> 01:33:37.950 break from all the persecution there in Texas. So, well, you know, 01:33:37.950 --> 01:33:40.550 I know people are given Texas a bad rep, 01:33:40.550 --> 01:33:44.570 but I did see that they recently appointed in California is the first state to 01:33:44.570 --> 01:33:49.780 have an openly transgender judge. And so I know, 01:33:49.780 --> 01:33:52.030 I know the judges over here get a bad rep, 01:33:52.030 --> 01:33:56.890 but I have a bad feeling that if I had to go get evicted in front of that judge, 01:33:57.470 --> 01:34:00.700 probably wouldn't do very good. Right. I hadn't heard that. 01:34:00.700 --> 01:34:03.020 That's actually the first I've heard of that. 01:34:03.020 --> 01:34:06.930 So I'm going to look into that and make a short about that. But, um, you know, 01:34:06.930 --> 01:34:11.260 I do want to say, uh, that I, I'm really excited about going to New Jersey. 01:34:11.260 --> 01:34:14.210 And if, if anybody lives in New Jersey, 01:34:14.210 --> 01:34:18.390 New York or driving distance surrounding area, come on and see us. 01:34:18.390 --> 01:34:21.940 That's June 10th, Friday night. I'll be preaching. 01:34:21.940 --> 01:34:23.220 Pastor Thompson will be preaching, 01:34:23.220 --> 01:34:27.370 looking forward to spending time with Pastor Thompson and Ms. Sherry. 01:34:27.370 --> 01:34:31.240 And I'm going to bring it out. My entire family, my wife and all my kids, 01:34:31.240 --> 01:34:35.180 we're going to be there for that Friday night and for the Saturday soul winning. 01:34:35.180 --> 01:34:37.620 And it's going to be, it's going to be a great time. 01:34:37.620 --> 01:34:39.810 And I've known Peter for a long time. 01:34:39.810 --> 01:34:45.510 He recently sent me a text with a picture of when I baptized him and I don't 01:34:45.510 --> 01:34:50.080 know when that was, was that 2000? I don't know if Peter's still on the line. 01:34:50.080 --> 01:34:52.960 It might've been 2015 or 14 or something like that. 01:34:53.700 --> 01:34:57.690 Yeah, that was, that would have been August 2014. Yeah. 01:34:57.690 --> 01:35:02.630 So we've known each other for a long time and I love brother Peter and he's been 01:35:02.630 --> 01:35:07.130 coming out to the Red Heart Preaching Conference for years and every year he's 01:35:07.130 --> 01:35:11.730 been asking me about preaching in New Jersey and I always have an excuse why I 01:35:11.730 --> 01:35:14.990 can't. But this last time he, 01:35:14.990 --> 01:35:19.710 he asked me again and I said, let's do it. So I'm looking forward to it. 01:35:19.710 --> 01:35:23.540 I think it's going to be a great trip. Hey, persistence is key there. 01:35:24.290 --> 01:35:32.930 Yeah, there's a reason that poor widow, you know, it's like, it's like, yeah, you know, I'm bothering my friend, but you know, because of this opportunity, he's going to give me some bread. 01:35:32.930 --> 01:35:51.480 Well, I really do. I truly do appreciate that a lot. And, you know, I trust that, you know, I trust that, you know, my fellow Christians, you know, believe the scriptures the same way I do. And I know that they believe in going. 01:35:52.360 --> 01:36:11.660 You know, I believe that I, when I ask God, I receive and I believe Christians, you know, they have the spirit of God in their hearts and that they want, you know, to, they have like the word of God that says, you know, if someone compels you to go a mile, go with some twain, but you're going, you're going a lot farther than that. You're going like 3,000 miles. 01:36:11.660 --> 01:36:16.860 So does that mean he has to go to China? Like, if you go, if you're willing to go to New Jersey, you have to go all the way to China? 01:36:16.860 --> 01:36:18.380 To the Philippines. 01:36:18.380 --> 01:36:25.440 Well, yeah, so not only to the Philippines, but all the way to... it's great. Yeah, I'm really excited and I appreciate it. 01:36:25.440 --> 01:36:29.470 And it's going to be a good appetizer to the RedHouse Preaching Conference this summer, I think. 01:36:29.470 --> 01:36:36.770 Well, that's really exciting. Sorry about your Facebook censorship. 01:36:36.770 --> 01:36:40.010 I think that's something that almost everybody's probably experienced at this point. 01:36:40.010 --> 01:36:48.010 You know, anybody that shares anything that has any kind of teeth to it, it seems like Facebook will put you in jail for just about anything. 01:36:48.480 --> 01:36:54.050 And we're not even just talking about Christians. It seems like everybody's kind of experiencing this, this censorship. 01:36:54.050 --> 01:36:57.110 And to me, it almost seems like everybody's kind of sick of it. 01:36:57.110 --> 01:37:03.200 Like everybody kind of hates it a little bit, but at the same time, they're just kind of going with the flow. 01:37:03.200 --> 01:37:11.370 And, you know, I don't know what new technologies or new things that we can invent in the future. 01:37:11.370 --> 01:37:19.640 Obviously, technology, we've benefited a lot from, but I guess it's possible technology may not necessarily continue to be the 01:37:19.640 --> 01:37:23.720 fruitful, you know, harvest that we've had. 01:37:23.720 --> 01:37:30.980 And the one thing that still works is going in person, you know, you're not going to not hear Pastor Minnis-Sermon when you 01:37:30.980 --> 01:37:32.410 actually show up in New Jersey. 01:37:32.410 --> 01:37:36.980 It was a June 10th, and you hear him in person. 01:37:36.980 --> 01:37:43.080 Yeah, I'll give the I'll give the exact meetup details to both days before I hang up. 01:37:43.080 --> 01:37:54.190 But, you know, the thing about that is, and Dylan quoted before Psalm 2 about, you know, the the rulers setting themselves, taking counsel against the Lord and against his anointed. 01:37:54.190 --> 01:37:58.400 But, you know, and, you know, saying, let us break their bands asunder. 01:37:58.400 --> 01:38:03.820 But what's funny about that is how, you know, he that siteth in the heavens shall laugh, the Lord shall have them in derision. 01:38:04.280 --> 01:38:21.350 So what's been so great is like seeing that, you know, this, you know, this New World Order or whatever, you know, and this satanic system, how they have all this, you know, this, they're meaning all this for evil and they have all these plans for the technology. 01:38:21.350 --> 01:38:34.560 But God is basically just like, you know, let's see how many people I can, you know, will see the Bible way to heaven and like, you know, let me and seeing Christians use these tools and the tools that they're given in this generation. 01:38:35.080 --> 01:38:45.390 And no, and we know that the gospel is going to be preached in, you know, in the in the last days. And even though like wickedness is going to abound, you know, great works for God are going to be done. 01:38:45.390 --> 01:39:04.040 So that's why you can kind of just relax about it, even though it's it's so strange seeing this, you know, your country being given over to these delusions of, you know, and literally like having a demented president and who is just, you know, like, who should we elect to the Supreme Court? 01:39:04.080 --> 01:39:10.430 I know, I know who's going to be what the qualification should be, as long as it's a black woman, that's who we're choosing. 01:39:10.430 --> 01:39:21.100 And, you know, we're going to have a trans admiral, we're going to, you know, we're going to take this tranny, and we're going to honor them with all these these like, you know, these honors and these accolades. 01:39:21.100 --> 01:39:34.060 And then just getting, you know, a normal person stating their opinion, you know, these people have control over these systems that disseminate disseminate information and, you know, they can censor information. 01:39:34.560 --> 01:39:40.370 And, you know, these weird blue haired Marxists, they're the ones in control of it. It's so weird. 01:39:40.370 --> 01:39:49.760 You know, I guess I don't have to worry about it. Right. I feel like I keep hearing this song less now that proud to be an American. 01:39:49.760 --> 01:39:53.400 It's like, how much longer can they even play that song? 01:39:53.400 --> 01:40:00.870 I mean, with the way that our country's turning, it's just, you know, I don't even know how people can be patriotic anymore. 01:40:00.910 --> 01:40:06.180 I'm just hoping Putin will invade us because at least, you know, he's not going to put up with the transvestites at this point. 01:40:06.180 --> 01:40:07.330 That is Dylan's hope. 01:40:07.330 --> 01:40:12.590 It's, it's an interesting hope, but I don't think it's going to happen. 01:40:12.590 --> 01:40:13.230 I'm sorry. 01:40:13.230 --> 01:40:13.620 Yeah. 01:40:13.620 --> 01:40:18.230 You might have to prepare, but you know, it's more likely that Kamala is going to be in charge. 01:40:18.230 --> 01:40:18.990 Exactly. 01:40:18.990 --> 01:40:25.830 But you know, I like that attitude, brother Peter, because honestly, the censorship definitely does affect us. 01:40:25.830 --> 01:40:26.610 Don't get us wrong. 01:40:26.610 --> 01:40:27.420 It is a headache. 01:40:27.840 --> 01:40:39.610 It is a headache, you know, putting in months and months of labor into a building and going through all the legal processes for months and months and getting evicted in a country where we thought we had the First Amendment. 01:40:39.610 --> 01:40:40.960 That is very frustrating. 01:40:40.960 --> 01:40:43.850 You know, it's very frustrating when you get your banking shut down. 01:40:43.850 --> 01:40:46.990 It's very frustrating when people don't want to work with you. 01:40:46.990 --> 01:40:53.280 But, you know, just so the audience is aware, Steadfast Baptist Church is doing great. 01:40:53.750 --> 01:41:00.160 You know, we were four people shy of breaking our attendance record this Sunday morning 01:41:00.160 --> 01:41:05.850 in a temporary meeting space, you know, compared to the number that we had in our building before. 01:41:05.850 --> 01:41:14.420 Between Thursday and Saturday, our church had 76 salvations, tons and tons of soul winners. 01:41:14.420 --> 01:41:15.770 And it's all by God's grace. 01:41:15.770 --> 01:41:20.180 But I like what Brother Peter said, you know, at the end, God's going to have the last laugh. 01:41:20.180 --> 01:41:23.640 And, you know, as long as we're doing what we're supposed to be doing, we really can. 01:41:24.060 --> 01:41:26.510 Sit back and relax because we're watching our church. 01:41:26.510 --> 01:41:27.800 You know, we're watching. 01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:33.240 We're seeing with our own eyes how true the Bible is, that the more they afflict us, 01:41:33.240 --> 01:41:36.290 the more we grow, just like in the book of Exodus. 01:41:36.290 --> 01:41:40.660 And so even though it is a headache, if we have to suffer the headache of censorship 01:41:40.660 --> 01:41:46.050 so that more people will be saved, so that we can continue to preach the word of God, 01:41:46.050 --> 01:41:47.860 then that's worth it, if you ask me. 01:41:47.860 --> 01:41:51.930 Yeah, I mean, with the censorship, we kind of have to put this in perspective of 01:41:51.930 --> 01:41:59.140 historical biblical situations, you know, the apostle Paul didn't have his YouTube 01:41:59.140 --> 01:42:03.110 channel shut down, you know, the these guys in the Bible, you know, to me, 01:42:03.110 --> 01:42:06.570 technology is kind of like sugar is like the cherry on top. 01:42:06.570 --> 01:42:08.760 You know, the gospel has been preached 01:42:08.760 --> 01:42:12.600 person to person for the last few thousand years. 01:42:12.600 --> 01:42:15.530 You know, it wasn't being disseminated online. 01:42:15.530 --> 01:42:20.440 And while I'm all for online, I love, you know, being able to put our sermons up 01:42:20.440 --> 01:42:24.470 and people can watch them later and they don't have to miss that content. 01:42:24.470 --> 01:42:26.480 You know, we really need to still embrace 01:42:26.480 --> 01:42:32.330 traditional methods of going to church in person, going out and knocking the doors, 01:42:32.330 --> 01:42:36.280 preaching the gospel, and of course, you know, I don't think 01:42:36.280 --> 01:42:41.240 that the censorship is going to stop with the online, you know, eventually they're 01:42:41.240 --> 01:42:43.950 going to get to the point where they're trying to stop the physical meetings. 01:42:43.950 --> 01:42:46.640 And, you know, the the devil inhabiting 01:42:46.640 --> 01:42:49.920 the Antichrist is going to cause you to not even be able to buy or sell literally. 01:42:50.240 --> 01:42:55.020 And so we're not really looking to a bright future. 01:42:55.020 --> 01:42:59.950 In fact, we're really headed towards the Antichrist, a great falling away. 01:42:59.950 --> 01:43:06.070 And we need people to get plugged in because I feel like it's taking time bomb online. 01:43:06.070 --> 01:43:09.990 I don't know how much longer we're going to be able to have a major impact. 01:43:09.990 --> 01:43:11.220 I think that we're going to still be able 01:43:11.220 --> 01:43:14.130 to slip through the cracks and we're going to still be able to do 01:43:14.130 --> 01:43:18.900 cool things like your ban, but not found email list and other methods. 01:43:19.090 --> 01:43:24.540 But, you know, there's nothing to replace the physical in person, 01:43:24.540 --> 01:43:28.280 going to church, preaching the gospel out, you know, 01:43:28.280 --> 01:43:32.390 knocking doors and even just the people you interact with. 01:43:32.390 --> 01:43:34.810 I got a text message from a friend who 01:43:34.810 --> 01:43:39.510 just said that they got one of their co-workers saved. 01:43:39.510 --> 01:43:41.690 And, you know, they said that's a really 01:43:41.690 --> 01:43:45.540 cool experience that they're able to share with the people that they know 01:43:45.540 --> 01:43:47.410 in their personal lives, getting family members say. 01:43:47.600 --> 01:43:51.410 We call in last week where someone was talking about how they got a bunch of 01:43:51.410 --> 01:43:55.820 their family members saved and and so that's what we need is people to start 01:43:55.820 --> 01:43:59.380 talking to their family members, to their co-workers, to their neighbors, 01:43:59.380 --> 01:44:05.290 going to their church, getting plugged in, preaching the gospel and making an impact 01:44:05.290 --> 01:44:09.980 where they're at locally, that's how you really fight this censorship. 01:44:09.980 --> 01:44:13.670 That's how you really combat this evil. 01:44:13.670 --> 01:44:14.920 And you need to get out there. 01:44:15.120 --> 01:44:20.050 10th, New Jersey, Peter James, a Real Zealous Soul winner. 01:44:20.050 --> 01:44:23.290 Great lineup, Pastor Menez, Pastor Thompson. 01:44:23.290 --> 01:44:27.330 And, you know, thanks for that plug. 01:44:27.330 --> 01:44:29.160 Do you have another question, Peter? 01:44:29.160 --> 01:44:32.140 You want to you want to ask us before we let you go? 01:44:32.140 --> 01:44:33.320 Well, I don't have any more questions. 01:44:33.320 --> 01:44:34.540 I don't have any more questions. 01:44:34.540 --> 01:44:37.070 But, you know, I totally agree with everything you said. 01:44:37.070 --> 01:44:42.740 I believe God is never he's never going to leave us without the tools to preach 01:44:42.930 --> 01:44:48.900 the gospel, you know, even as as dark as things get, you know, and even as close 01:44:48.900 --> 01:44:53.790 to the end as we get, I think we're always going to have what God 01:44:53.790 --> 01:44:56.740 thinks we need to accomplish what he wants in that time. 01:44:56.740 --> 01:45:01.370 So, you know, and it's like you said, they can't stop us from, you know, if they take 01:45:01.370 --> 01:45:02.720 away our Facebook, that's fine. 01:45:02.720 --> 01:45:05.400 It's just like it's like a digital detox for 30 days. 01:45:05.400 --> 01:45:07.260 It's fine to be banned for Facebook. 01:45:07.260 --> 01:45:11.480 But, you know, they take away your YouTube, you know, then you have your emailing list. 01:45:11.680 --> 01:45:17.130 They take that away, you know, you meet in church and, you know, you can go to your friend's 01:45:17.130 --> 01:45:20.180 house, you can call them, you can go out and knock, knock doors. 01:45:20.180 --> 01:45:24.100 No, no one can stop you from walking up to somebody and giving them the gospel. 01:45:24.100 --> 01:45:28.610 And, you know, that's what that's the goal of the weekend in June. 01:45:28.610 --> 01:45:33.230 We really just want to corral, corral some soul winners and some zealous believers. 01:45:33.230 --> 01:45:37.180 There's and, you know, I know they they're out here. 01:45:37.610 --> 01:45:44.960 We just want to remind them that, you know, God, you know, God is still on the throne. 01:45:44.960 --> 01:45:46.680 He needs to be needs to be served. 01:45:46.680 --> 01:45:51.660 And, you know, we want to kind of inspire people to get back out there and go soul winning. 01:45:51.660 --> 01:45:56.530 You know, I believe it's really important to I believe the Bible emphasizes in the New 01:45:56.530 --> 01:46:02.030 Testament, especially continuing in, you know, what you've learned. 01:46:02.030 --> 01:46:07.070 If you've been given something good, if you've been taught something that's good and right 01:46:07.070 --> 01:46:14.600 and godly and God used, you know, certain people who are on the right path and, you 01:46:14.600 --> 01:46:19.820 know, churches and, you know, his people to teach you the right way. 01:46:19.820 --> 01:46:25.860 You know, you should stick with that and consider that and not be so quick to just, you know, 01:46:25.860 --> 01:46:30.070 turn away from that, you know, forsake people who've taught you. 01:46:30.070 --> 01:46:34.730 And you know, I think, you know, there's just blood, there's blessing for staying the course. 01:46:34.730 --> 01:46:37.790 So, you know, we want to see what God can do out here. 01:46:37.790 --> 01:46:42.910 If we work with what we have, if Pastor Jimenez and Pastor Thompson, they come out in June 01:46:42.910 --> 01:46:48.410 and a lot of people show up and God sees that people are interested in serving the Lord 01:46:48.410 --> 01:46:55.900 out here, God willing, you know, you know, I just need to, I want to know people who 01:46:55.900 --> 01:46:59.570 know people who know people that, you know, one day want to come start churches in New 01:46:59.570 --> 01:47:00.560 Jersey. 01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:01.950 So that's the plan here. 01:47:01.950 --> 01:47:05.490 But if there's no interest, God might not necessarily invest in New Jersey. 01:47:05.490 --> 01:47:14.660 So I'm trying to cultivate that harvest here in New Jersey the best I can and with my friends 01:47:14.660 --> 01:47:16.310 over here. 01:47:16.310 --> 01:47:19.850 Well, I hope that, you know, churches get started over there too. 01:47:19.850 --> 01:47:22.090 And thanks again for calling in. 01:47:22.090 --> 01:47:27.460 We really appreciate you being on the line and I look forward to seeing you again, hopefully 01:47:27.460 --> 01:47:31.060 at the Red Hot Preaching Conference, if not some other day, some other place. 01:47:31.060 --> 01:47:35.810 Good to see, good to hear from you, Peter. 01:47:35.810 --> 01:47:40.660 Yeah, Pastor Jimenez, it's really good to hear from you too and I'll catch up with you 01:47:40.660 --> 01:47:43.330 more and it was really good talking to you guys. 01:47:43.330 --> 01:47:44.570 Thanks for having me. 01:47:44.570 --> 01:47:46.860 Yeah, thanks. 01:47:46.860 --> 01:47:52.520 We did have another question I saw put in the chat and someone kind of just asked do 01:47:52.520 --> 01:47:57.140 you think the censorship is going to kind of ramp up. 01:47:57.140 --> 01:48:02.590 One thing that's interesting is even though obviously some of our friends and some Baptists 01:48:02.590 --> 01:48:07.990 have been persecuted, I've seen this in a lot of places even not just like our circles 01:48:07.990 --> 01:48:13.180 there's a guy named Andrew Torba who created like an alternative social media site called 01:48:13.180 --> 01:48:17.420 Gab and that guy's been severely shut down. 01:48:17.420 --> 01:48:22.630 I saw an article it said that he had been shut down at his fifth bank in a row in like 01:48:22.630 --> 01:48:26.110 a really short period of time I think it was just only a few weeks and they're getting 01:48:26.110 --> 01:48:34.070 like all of their accounts shut down just basically they can't even bank this business 01:48:34.070 --> 01:48:39.490 because it's just basically disseminating too much truth and you know I don't know exactly 01:48:39.490 --> 01:48:43.100 what they believe. I don't even know if Torb was necessarily saved. I know that he's a 01:48:43.100 --> 01:48:48.800 Christian and that he's pretty unashamed about being a Christian but you know it doesn't 01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:53.210 matter any level of Christianity is just being censored. He can't even be on the app store 01:48:53.210 --> 01:48:58.040 I don't believe. I've been on Gap but you know it's just hard for sometimes for these 01:48:58.040 --> 01:49:02.100 things to even take traction because if they want to shut you down they're gonna get you 01:49:02.100 --> 01:49:06.840 shut down and that's why I think you got to go back to the traditional methods because 01:49:06.840 --> 01:49:12.500 again the banned but not bound email list if you think about the story it's the Apostle 01:49:12.500 --> 01:49:19.030 Paul's put in prison and he's saying hey the gospel didn't stop when I went to prison you 01:49:19.030 --> 01:49:23.100 guys need to go out and preach the gospel you know it's not Paul that gets the gospel 01:49:23.100 --> 01:49:27.810 out the Christians get out the gospel and you know even if God forbid you know they 01:49:27.810 --> 01:49:31.970 shut down steadfast Baptist Church or did something to very Baptist Church you know 01:49:31.970 --> 01:49:36.930 we're not the end stop of the gospel or the preaching of God's word we need other people 01:49:36.930 --> 01:49:42.210 other like-minded Christians to be stirred up and and to preach the truth and have boldness 01:49:42.210 --> 01:49:50.620 and have courage and to basically not be ashamed of Jesus Christ be ashamed of his word. 01:49:50.620 --> 01:49:56.900 What is kind of your feeling for the future in just this area pastor men as what are you 01:49:56.900 --> 01:50:02.140 kind of preparing your church in any way or well yeah absolutely you know one thing that 01:50:02.140 --> 01:50:09.780 I want to say is that the Bible says there's no new thing under the Sun and the truth is 01:50:09.780 --> 01:50:16.570 that censorship in the way we're seeing it seems new to us right now obviously with social 01:50:16.570 --> 01:50:22.450 media and all that stuff but censorship is not new I mean if you remember in the gospel 01:50:22.450 --> 01:50:29.370 of Luke the Lord Jesus Christ his very first sermon when he really launched his ministry 01:50:29.370 --> 01:50:35.510 after his baptism they tried to throw him off the cliff you know and then you've got 01:50:35.510 --> 01:50:42.080 Stephen of course he's preaching the word of God and they stone him to death but so 01:50:42.080 --> 01:50:49.190 so people's trying to stop true Christianity is not new it happened to Jesus I mean they 01:50:49.190 --> 01:50:54.770 ended up crucifying our Savior so that so the council culture has been around for a 01:50:54.770 --> 01:51:00.280 long time what I think is funny is that people look at us and they'll they'll say like you're 01:51:00.280 --> 01:51:03.920 not a real Christian Christians aren't supposed to hate and it's like well you obviously have 01:51:03.920 --> 01:51:09.470 never read the Gospels you've never read the book of Acts you've never read I mean literally 01:51:09.470 --> 01:51:14.900 Paul has these Jews following him around trying to get him thrown out of every city trying 01:51:14.900 --> 01:51:20.100 to get him shut down trying to get him cancelled he Paul you know people will look at like 01:51:20.100 --> 01:51:23.200 my church or your church and say well you guys there must be something wrong with you 01:51:23.200 --> 01:51:26.640 if you're getting sued and it's like have you read the last part of the book of Acts 01:51:26.640 --> 01:51:32.300 I mean the whole end of it is just like court case after court case he's just being brought 01:51:32.300 --> 01:51:37.250 by all these different people so you know we're living new testament christianity is 01:51:37.250 --> 01:51:43.470 just new testament christianity has a lot of persecution and issues um is the reality 01:51:43.470 --> 01:51:49.890 and people just start reading the bible and realize that uh so but I do obviously I do 01:51:49.890 --> 01:51:56.670 see it getting worse and worse like you said we were moving towards a one world government 01:51:56.670 --> 01:52:02.390 and a one world religion we're moving towards a world that is so under control that they 01:52:02.390 --> 01:52:08.700 can control who can buy and sell so obviously it's not it's it's it's not going to better 01:52:08.700 --> 01:52:15.510 um in regards to in regards to that and it really is ingenious what our country has done 01:52:15.510 --> 01:52:21.280 because you know usually it used to be when I was a kid people would talk about the government 01:52:21.280 --> 01:52:24.280 and fearing the government and we should fear the government I mean you know we obviously 01:52:24.280 --> 01:52:29.140 we should be worried about the government um in regards to what they're doing but you 01:52:29.140 --> 01:52:34.210 know we have laws in this country that say that you can't create laws against free speech 01:52:34.210 --> 01:52:41.420 so what the government has done is they've allowed these private companies to control 01:52:41.420 --> 01:52:46.810 the dissemination of speech in the world and now they're able to kind of stand back and 01:52:46.810 --> 01:52:55.220 support these wicked companies like Facebook and YouTube and Google and whatever and uh 01:52:55.220 --> 01:53:00.340 and they don't have to follow these laws of allowing free speech because they're quote 01:53:00.340 --> 01:53:06.850 unquote private companies, private entities or whatever. It's this culture that has been 01:53:06.850 --> 01:53:15.780 developed to make sure that they can control speech, that they can control information 01:53:15.780 --> 01:53:21.750 and we have to, like you said, we have to fight against it but we also we need to try 01:53:21.750 --> 01:53:27.900 to be cutting edge with technology and with our thoughts. The thing about Christianity 01:53:27.900 --> 01:53:32.820 has always been on the, has always used the cutting edge of technology. I mean go back 01:53:32.820 --> 01:53:39.390 to William Tyndale and the invention of the printing press and that was used by Chris 01:53:39.390 --> 01:54:01.800 at the Baptist churches like Jack Hiles and Curtis Hudson and Lee Roberson. These guys, 01:54:01.800 --> 01:54:07.570 they had these mailing lists where they would tape the sermons from their churches and they 01:54:07.570 --> 01:54:12.930 would physically mail them out every week or every other week or every month to all 01:54:12.930 --> 01:54:16.810 these mailing lists that they had. And I thought, you know, that's kind of what gave me the 01:54:16.810 --> 01:54:19.720 idea for the band, but not that obviously we're not going to send tapes out, but to 01:54:19.720 --> 01:54:25.890 get email lists and send links. Yeah. Well, we may have to do that at some point. 01:54:25.890 --> 01:54:32.410 Walkman. Well, we could always send out transcribed sermons. Yeah. And you know, people might 01:54:32.410 --> 01:54:37.300 just have to learn how to read again and get back to reading, you know, too. But but like 01:54:37.300 --> 01:54:42.880 you said, God did not call us. I mean, I'm all for using all that. But God called us 01:54:42.880 --> 01:54:46.730 to local New Testament churches. And you know, when John the Baptist was preaching, people 01:54:46.730 --> 01:54:51.940 came out to the wilderness to hear him preach. And I just believe, you know, if they take 01:54:51.940 --> 01:54:56.510 us off the internet, which I'm not sure that they will or when they will or whatever, it 01:54:56.510 --> 01:55:00.240 might be one of the best things that ever happened to our churches. I mean, I go soloing 01:55:00.240 --> 01:55:04.690 in Sacramento, I can't tell you how many times I've knocked doors. I mean, I've literally 01:55:04.690 --> 01:55:10.070 been down the street from our church, knock on a door, the door opens and I'm like, "Hi, 01:55:10.070 --> 01:55:12.760 we're coming from Verity Baptist Church." And the person's like, "Oh, I know who you 01:55:12.760 --> 01:55:16.720 are Pastor Jimenez, I watch you on YouTube." And they literally live down the street from 01:55:16.720 --> 01:55:21.760 our church and don't come to our church. And I mean, I've had stuff like that happen a 01:55:21.760 --> 01:55:28.640 lot. And if they take us down from YouTube, then maybe people will actually get their 01:55:28.640 --> 01:55:38.590 rear ends in the house of God, which wouldn't be a bad thing. So like you said, one great 01:55:38.590 --> 01:55:46.220 way to not have the sermons canceled is for you to go to New Jersey to the preaching night, 01:55:46.220 --> 01:55:51.300 be there. If you don't mind, let me plug the Red Hot Preaching Conference in July, which 01:55:51.300 --> 01:55:53.940 Pastor Shelley is going to be preaching at the Red Hot Preaching Conference. We have 01:55:53.940 --> 01:56:00.720 a great lineup this year. Of course, Pastor Anderson, Pastor Mejia, Pastor Thompson, Pastor 01:56:00.720 --> 01:56:06.490 Jones is invited to come, and Pastor Burzins is coming. He hasn't came in a few years, 01:56:06.490 --> 01:56:15.350 but he's coming. And Pastor Buzarnsky, I hope I'm not forgetting anyone else, but we're 01:56:15.350 --> 01:56:17.930 going to have a great lineup. And here's the thing about the Red Hot Preaching Conference 01:56:17.930 --> 01:56:22.340 is we can't stream it on our main channel because it gets shut down. We have to set 01:56:22.340 --> 01:56:27.360 up a secondary channel, which if you want to be able to watch the Red Hot Preaching 01:56:27.360 --> 01:56:31.420 Conference live stream, go to badbutnotbound.com, sign up to our email list because we will 01:56:31.420 --> 01:56:35.290 disseminate the link through there. And if it gets shut down, we'll start up another 01:56:35.290 --> 01:56:40.190 account and send it that way. So we'll do our best to get the information out there, 01:56:40.190 --> 01:56:45.430 but here's a great way to not miss it. Just come. Come to the Red Hot Preaching Conference. 01:56:45.430 --> 01:56:53.230 And it's this year, July 14th through the 17th. So we'd love you to come to Red Hot, 01:56:53.230 --> 01:56:54.350 of course. 01:56:54.350 --> 01:57:00.190 Amen. And that's absolutely right. If you're anywhere near Sacramento, California, you 01:57:00.190 --> 01:57:07.050 need to go to Verity Baptist Church. And especially if you can't just make it to every service, 01:57:07.050 --> 01:57:11.150 you need to come to the Red Hot Preaching Conference. It's the greatest conference 01:57:11.150 --> 01:57:18.590 of the year. I've been there almost every single year. I kicked myself because of course, 01:57:18.590 --> 01:57:24.720 I didn't make the first year and I was like, I asked a whole bunch of people and at church 01:57:24.720 --> 01:57:29.640 I said, "Hey, who wants to go with me on a carpool?" And I couldn't find anyone. And 01:57:29.640 --> 01:57:33.750 I just didn't make the drive by myself. I should have just driven by myself, let's be 01:57:33.750 --> 01:57:39.590 honest. But I made it the next year and I made it almost, I think almost every year 01:57:39.590 --> 01:57:43.960 since then. I think the year that I had to start Pure Words Baptist Church, I was, I 01:57:43.960 --> 01:57:47.670 can't remember. I can't remember. I might have missed one of those years there too. But 01:57:47.670 --> 01:57:56.190 great conference, great spirit. I think they had over 500 last year. And I wouldn't be surprised 01:57:56.190 --> 01:58:01.450 if it's a bigger number. Of course, you know, with COVID and things like that, it kind of dampened 01:58:01.450 --> 01:58:06.470 some people's plans. But I think a lot of people are kind of over that now. And I wouldn't be 01:58:06.470 --> 01:58:11.850 surprised if this conference grows to where it's literally thousands in the future. It's one of the 01:58:11.850 --> 01:58:18.320 most anticipated events. People love it. Every single time I've ever gone, everybody seems to 01:58:18.320 --> 01:58:23.510 have a great time. And they have a lot of great activities. Hey, it's where I met my wife. Hey, 01:58:23.510 --> 01:58:28.820 some people get married. Single guys out there. And you know, I know they had they had a football 01:58:28.820 --> 01:58:35.950 competition. Last year, they had a ping pong competition. I think the person that won was 01:58:35.950 --> 01:58:40.470 from what was the church? Ping pong? Yeah, who won the ping pong? I can't remember. Who was that pastor? 01:58:40.470 --> 01:58:48.040 Well, well, you know, you know, just like Google put out new laws as a result of my preaching, 01:58:48.040 --> 01:58:53.790 we might have to put out new laws as a result of steadfast baptist church because you guys brought 01:58:53.790 --> 01:59:01.520 these professional ringers in. And you know, you paid them to I'm sure you paid them to fly out to 01:59:01.520 --> 01:59:06.790 the conference. And the good thing is we got them saved while they were here. No, I'm just kidding. 01:59:06.790 --> 01:59:13.360 Well, I have to say that, you know, we did have a couple of guys from a church come, 01:59:13.360 --> 01:59:22.520 they were in the final finals. In fact, there's another person that finals. I think it was just 01:59:22.520 --> 01:59:29.040 all steadfast finals. Once we got to the last three people in the competition, I had to gracefully 01:59:29.040 --> 01:59:36.840 bow out and but steaming others better than yourself. Yeah, exactly. But I did not pay 01:59:36.840 --> 01:59:43.220 a single dollar, I don't think for these men's trips. So you know, they were just there. And 01:59:43.220 --> 01:59:50.670 they're definitely welcoming of the next ping pong, you know, game if we have that again, 01:59:50.670 --> 01:59:56.520 I don't know if you're bringing that. Well, you know, the first year we did football. And we lost 01:59:56.520 --> 02:00:04.400 that to Sher Foundation. And then the second year we did the you know, the year after that we did 02:00:04.400 --> 02:00:10.040 ping pong. And we lost that to steadfast. So we're just gonna keep changing it till we find 02:00:10.040 --> 02:00:14.020 something we can win at. So I think this year we're doing water polo. Now I'm just 02:00:14.020 --> 02:00:22.660 something we're doing ping pong again, and table tennis. It's just football was nice, but it was 02:00:22.660 --> 02:00:27.780 just, there's a lot of work and being outside and all of that. It worked out really well with the 02:00:27.780 --> 02:00:32.000 table tennis because we were able to do in our fellowship hall and people had a good time and 02:00:32.000 --> 02:00:37.180 the ladies were more interested in that than football too. So the kids were able to participate 02:00:37.180 --> 02:00:40.760 which they weren't able to participate with football. So we're gonna do table tennis again. 02:00:40.760 --> 02:00:49.200 So, but yeah. Well you had some great kiddos in the table tennis. Some youngsters were 02:00:49.200 --> 02:00:56.300 really tearing it up and ping pong and so I look forward to seeing how the competition goes again 02:00:56.300 --> 02:01:01.370 this year and we really appreciate you putting on that conference. I know it's a lot of work and a 02:01:01.370 --> 02:01:07.770 lot of effort but you know what you can't get censored when you're at the conference and you're 02:01:07.770 --> 02:01:12.610 hearing you're hearing it live. You know that's the best way to hear sermons is in person. That's 02:01:12.610 --> 02:01:18.130 how it's always been done. That's how it's all going to continue to be done and while they can 02:01:18.130 --> 02:01:22.600 definitely shut down a lot of things as long as we got breath in our lungs, we're going to keep 02:01:22.600 --> 02:01:27.600 preaching and that's what God's called us to do. I really appreciate you coming on the show. I know 02:01:27.600 --> 02:01:31.800 there's so much more we could talk about but I feel like we've taken a lot of your time already 02:01:31.800 --> 02:01:38.870 and we really appreciate you coming on for one last podcast this season and I know it's probably 02:01:38.870 --> 02:01:45.450 better than other podcasts in California but I do at least appreciate you coming on the show 02:01:46.080 --> 02:01:52.250 and supporting our church too. Pastor Minas has been a supporter of Steadfast Baptist Church and 02:01:52.250 --> 02:02:00.420 they've done a lot for our church emotionally, financially, sending preachers to fill pulpits 02:02:00.420 --> 02:02:06.780 and you got a great staff over there. I really can't recommend Verity Baptist Church enough. 02:02:06.780 --> 02:02:12.810 It's a great spirit and obviously all are doing a great job over there. I can't imagine being in 02:02:12.810 --> 02:02:20.740 Sacramento, California. The weather is beautiful. I'm just not a California guy. But you know what, 02:02:20.740 --> 02:02:29.720 I would move there for Verity Baptist Church. To me, that's the appeal of Sacramento is Verity. 02:02:29.720 --> 02:02:35.520 To some people, it's the one blemish and to me, it's the one bright spot. 02:02:35.520 --> 02:02:43.320 I really appreciate the work they all are doing out there. If you have any final comments, I'll 02:02:43.320 --> 02:02:49.260 let you give us your final concluding thoughts here, Pastor Menes. 02:02:49.260 --> 02:03:09.910 Yeah. Thank you. You have a great church there. I know you've been getting hit a lot 02:03:09.910 --> 02:03:28.180 in a lot of different ways. I got him saved. I got him baptized. I performed his wedding. 02:03:28.180 --> 02:03:37.070 Hopefully, the tree is known by its fruit. Hopefully, he's making me look good over there, 02:03:37.070 --> 02:03:42.610 but I know he is. We love Brother Dill and Pastor Thompson, of course, everyone. 02:03:42.610 --> 02:03:48.810 I appreciate you having us on. I just want to encourage people to keep fighting the good fight 02:03:48.810 --> 02:03:57.530 and definitely get in a local church. Find a good church in your area and get connected. That is 02:03:57.530 --> 02:04:03.330 the number one plan. When it comes to censorship and how we're going to fight it, I'm all for 02:04:03.330 --> 02:04:12.010 looking for alternative ways and trying different things. At the other day, the best way to fight 02:04:12.010 --> 02:04:19.810 censorship is to have ordained preachers sent out to start local churches. If we can have 02:04:19.810 --> 02:04:27.590 a new IFB church in every city in this country, they can't stop us. They could stop me. They 02:04:27.590 --> 02:04:33.210 could stop you. They could stop individuals, but they can't stop all of us. That's really 02:04:33.210 --> 02:04:40.010 what we need is church planning, soul winning, preaching the word of God using every available 02:04:40.010 --> 02:04:45.010 means. At the end, I realizing that the answer is the local New Testament church. 02:04:45.010 --> 02:04:55.310 Thank you so much for coming on. Get into Verity Baptist Church. If you come back, maybe we can 02:04:55.310 --> 02:05:03.660 give you a better Ben. We're just kind of just working on our bench players here. But thanks so 02:05:03.660 --> 02:05:09.160 much. Tell them I miss them. Yeah, I will. Thanks so much for coming on. And we'll throw it over to 02:05:09.160 --> 02:05:13.070 Dylan. Do you have any final thoughts for us? Yeah, just a couple things. First of all, thank 02:05:13.070 --> 02:05:18.410 you very much Pastor Minnis for coming on. Like you said, you got me saved, baptized me, you married 02:05:18.410 --> 02:05:24.070 me and my wife. And so I really do look up to you. And you definitely mean a lot to me. I look up to 02:05:24.070 --> 02:05:28.710 you as a leader and I just appreciate all the work you've done. And honestly, you've changed my life. 02:05:28.710 --> 02:05:34.910 So keep doing the great work. I'm sure that many other people have that testimony. And you know, 02:05:34.910 --> 02:05:40.570 like you said, we just have to keep preaching. And since this is the Baptist bias, I want to 02:05:40.570 --> 02:05:46.840 read some scripture here because there was a point where people wanted Jesus Christ to shut his mouth 02:05:46.840 --> 02:05:51.430 and they weren't just threatening to, you know, take him off YouTube or kick him out of his building. 02:05:51.430 --> 02:05:57.560 It was actually a lot worse than that in John 5. He had just healed a man. And in John 15 it says, 02:05:57.560 --> 02:06:02.710 "The man departed and told the Jews that it was Jesus which had made him whole. And therefore 02:06:02.710 --> 02:06:09.320 did the Jews persecute Jesus and sought to slay him because he had done these things on the Sabbath 02:06:09.320 --> 02:06:14.940 day." So Jesus, He wasn't just facing, you know, being deplatformed. People were literally trying 02:06:14.940 --> 02:06:20.190 to kill Him. And sometimes we have to put things in perspective of the level of persecution that 02:06:20.190 --> 02:06:26.180 we're facing now versus the level of persecution that we can face in the future. But what was the 02:06:26.180 --> 02:06:32.210 Lord Jesus Christ's reaction in verse 17? You know, did He cower? Did He stop preaching? Did He 02:06:32.210 --> 02:06:39.640 apologize? He said, "But Jesus answered them, 'My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.'" He just 02:06:39.640 --> 02:06:45.410 kept preaching, just like these pastors are saying. That's the answer. When Jesus Christ was faced 02:06:45.410 --> 02:06:50.850 with persecution, with people wanting to shut Him up, He didn't shut up. He didn't let them stop Him. 02:06:50.850 --> 02:06:56.300 He kept preaching, and guess what? It did cost Him His life eventually, but you know what? If He 02:06:56.300 --> 02:07:01.230 wouldn't have done that, none of us could be saved. And so, that might even be the level 02:07:01.230 --> 02:07:07.240 of persecution that God may require of us and of our generation so that other people would be saved. 02:07:07.240 --> 02:07:11.750 And what we need to do is we need to pray for boldness, because it's real easy to just say, 02:07:11.750 --> 02:07:15.390 "Oh yeah, keep preaching," you know, even if it's up to death. That's real easy to say, 02:07:15.390 --> 02:07:21.480 but I have to imagine that that's a whole other thing to actually do. And so, you know, 02:07:21.480 --> 02:07:27.120 church members watching this, what you can be doing is being, is to be praying for your pastor, 02:07:27.120 --> 02:07:31.360 praying for the people that are preaching the Word of God, that they'll have the boldness and, 02:07:31.360 --> 02:07:35.330 you know, us ourselves as preachers praying for ourselves that we would continue to have 02:07:35.330 --> 02:07:40.450 the boldness to preach the Word of God. And there's one more thing that I'd like to plug before 02:07:40.450 --> 02:07:48.290 we sign off, and that is next month, April 22nd through the 25th, is going to be a 02:07:48.290 --> 02:07:54.440 soul-winning marathon put on by Shear Foundation Baptist Church in Detroit, Michigan. I'm going 02:07:54.440 --> 02:07:58.740 to be going to this. I know Deacon Corbin Russell is going to be going to this, and many other people 02:07:58.740 --> 02:08:03.450 are going to be going. It's a great soul-winning marathon to go to, especially if you've never been 02:08:03.450 --> 02:08:08.480 to one before, especially because the tickets are so cheap because no one wants to go to Detroit for 02:08:08.480 --> 02:08:13.340 any other reason. And I got my plane tickets for less than 200 bucks. So if you want to learn how 02:08:13.340 --> 02:08:18.130 to preach the gospel or you want to just have some receptive soul-winning, come out with us 02:08:18.130 --> 02:08:26.090 to Detroit, Michigan, April 22nd through the 25th to preach the gospel. Well, thanks so much for 02:08:26.090 --> 02:08:31.740 tuning in to The Baptist Bias. You can check us out on all kinds of different podcasts. We've got 02:08:31.740 --> 02:08:39.050 Apple Podcasts, Podbean, Spotify. Obviously, we're trying to be on YouTube and Facebook as much until 02:08:39.050 --> 02:08:45.560 they censor us. And of course, the Jews didn't like how many subscribers Jesus was getting. They 02:08:45.560 --> 02:08:50.580 were afraid he was going to eventually have them all so they had to crucify him. And of course, 02:08:50.580 --> 02:08:55.370 they're going to constantly try to shut us down, but we're going to keep fighting. And I look 02:08:55.370 --> 02:09:01.430 forward to season two. We're going to have a lot of good ideas and a great show. Hopefully, maybe 02:09:01.430 --> 02:09:06.140 we can have some guests back on the show, maybe Pastor Menah is back on the show for a future 02:09:06.140 --> 02:09:11.400 episode. But that's going to do it for us for season one. Thanks so much for tuning in the 02:09:11.400 --> 02:09:18.580 Baptist Bias. Check us out, share us, blog us, tweet us. We'll see you again after a while.