Christian hotlines are always fun.
You never know what you're going to get.
Perhaps we'll get a chance to talk to someone who's actually saved.
Maybe it'll be an outsourced call from Bangladesh with someone who'll say anything to get a
minimum wage paycheck.
Or perhaps it'll just be a good old-fashioned heretic.
Either way, tonight we'll be calling them up to see exactly what they have to say about
the most essential doctrine of the Christian faith, salvation.
By works, by faith, we'll find out.
But here's what we know for sure.
These hotlines tend to be damnable heresy centers that teach people they have to be
saved by works.
And for that, we're going to fight back spiritually and show them what it means to have the Baptist
Bias.
Thanks for joining us on the Baptist Bias.
I'm your host, Pastor Shelley, and by popular demand, we're bringing back a show from a
previous season where we called a bunch of Christian hotlines, and I'm not really sure
what to expect.
You never really know what to expect when you're doing live calling.
I'm not sure if we're going to get some people that are actually saved, confused, heretics,
somebody from India.
What do you think is going to happen tonight, Ben?
I think it's totally unpredictable.
There's no way to know.
I remember last time we did this, you spoke to a woman who seemed to be saved, and then
there were others that were completely wrong and total heretics.
So it's kind of a mixed bag.
It's a surprise whenever you do these kind of calls.
Guess we'll find out.
You know?
It could be anybody.
Well, I'm pretty excited to do the show.
We're going to have a spin the wheel, just kind of spice it up a little bit.
We have a couple of categories.
We're going to do like a character potentially, accent, rebuke, or maybe a switch.
I'm kind of interested if the switch is going to happen.
I think that if anything, everybody wants the Indian to come back out there for you,
Ben.
If it lands on accent, I'd be happy to break out soon to talk about it one more time.
How do I spell that, exactly?
S-U-N-I-L-E-R-U-H-G-H-A-B-A-N.
Alright, well, let's go ahead.
I wasn't even listening.
Thanks to our audience for tuning in to the show.
Of course, I do want to put it out there if you're interested in putting in the chat a
particular accent or character or something like that that you want us to try or you have
an idea, we'll do it.
Of course, doing this show live and trying to get people on the call, we don't know exactly
how that's going to work.
I don't know how long it's going to take.
We'll just kind of wing it.
We'll just kind of see how it goes.
Let's go ahead and see if we can start calling somebody.
We'll kind of start the process going and then once we have one, we'll go for it.
Thank you for calling TBN.
Let's spin the wheel for Ben.
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Ooh, TBN.
Alright, Ben, here we go.
Oh, nice switch.
So just whenever, just point at me and I'll have to point back at you or whatever.
Sounds good.
I might have to do it like where they can see.
Someone's going to clip this and call someone to CCM.
They played CCM music on the Baptist Bias.
All of our prayer partners are currently praying with other callers.
Please hold for the next available prayer partner.
I think my mom always watched TVN growing up.
Did you ever watch that or your parents?
My parents definitely did not.
I never watched it either.
I have zero experience with it.
Is it Kenneth Copeland on here?
He's on TVN?
I don't even know.
I think it's just like every hair I take you can think of.
Did you know that you can send TVN your prayer request on our website 24 hours a day at TVN.org/prayer?
Our prayer partners faithfully pray over every request we receive.
It's like pro-Israel right on the start.
Oh, that's a good sign.
Does it have to just be about salvation or do you want to just talk about other stuff
too?
I don't know.
Replacement theology.
Maybe we can try that later.
I don't know if you can pull up my screen.
Here's TBN.
October 7th, Ben.
Support.
Nice.
Why does it say October 7th, 2023 though?
Thank you for calling TBN.
This is Maria speaking.
What is your first name?
Hi.
My name is Ben.
Hello.
Yes, Ben.
What is your prayer request tonight?
Well, I don't know that it's necessarily a prayer request, but one thing I wanted to
ask about is I kind of feel like there's a lot of different opinions about salvation and
how to go to heaven, and I was curious what you believe somebody has to do to go to heaven
one day.
Okay.
Number one, you're calling the prayer line with strictly pray, so we are not allowed
to go and discuss theology with you, or I can tell you what the Bible says.
Yeah.
The Bible says that if you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and receive Him into
your heart, you will go to heaven someday.
That is written in the Bible, so that's all I can tell you.
Oh, that's all you can say?
Well, it is written in the Bible.
You either believe the Bible or you don't.
Does somebody have to do works, too, to go to heaven, or is it just believing only?
It does not say anything like that in the Bible.
It only says believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, that He's the Son of God, and you shall be
saved.
Is somebody always saved, or do they lose their salvation?
Do you have a Bible?
Yes.
Okay, I'm going to encourage you to read it because everything is there in black and
white.
I encourage you to read it, and if you have a church, I would encourage you to talk to
your pastor.
Well, my Bible does have red letters in it.
You said something about black and white.
That's right.
Yeah, most of the Bibles in black and white, the red letters are the words of Jesus.
What part of the Bible should I read to go to heaven?
It starts in the New Testament.
Is that the beginning of it, or the end of it?
Have you ever read the Bible?
I mean, I opened it before, but no.
You opened it.
Okay.
I will start in the New Testament.
It's kind of a little past the middle of it.
It will say the Gospel of Matthew.
That's the New Testament.
Matthew is the New Testament?
Yes.
It starts in the New Testament, which is the Gospel of Matthew.
Yeah.
Okay.
So basically, what the Bible says is that if somebody places their faith in Jesus Christ,
but they have no works at all, but they place all their faith in Jesus to go to heaven,
then that person would be saved?
That's what the Bible says.
It never talks about works because the Bible says that our works are like dirty racks.
So, you know, dirty racks are not for much use, like he died on the cross for your sins.
So that's what it says.
I will strongly recommend for you to read the Bible or talk to a pastor.
Okay?
All right.
Well, sounds good.
God bless you.
Bye-bye.
God bless you too.
You got the right answers.
That was good.
I mean, I had nothing to work with there, so.
Hey, TBN, they got someone in there that says it's just by believing.
That's pretty good.
TBN is saved 100%.
Let's go ahead and call the For Truth sign if we can do that one.
Maybe we can spin it again.
I think if we try to do the switch, you should try to do it maybe more rapid fire.
Like every time.
Okay.
Thank you for calling the Day Star Prayer.
But unless you want to wait to see if they're heretic first.
I'm trying to, yeah, I don't want to troll the same person.
It was weird that she wasn't willing to just pray still.
Maybe she's following a script.
Thank you for calling the Day Star Prayer line.
Your call is very important to us.
Our prayer partners are currently assisting other.
Thank you for calling Day Star.
May I help you?
Uh, yes, I was calling to see if you could tell me how to go to heaven.
I'm sorry?
Hello?
You can't.
Do you think that they watched our show last time and now they're like, "We better not
answer."
Yep, don't answer.
Don't answer these people.
They know who we are.
Actually, but there was, like I said last time, there was an interesting call last time
with somebody who was actually nice and we did plug the show.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Who knows?
Alright, I guess, I'll try it again.
I'll try it again.
Let's try a different one.
Let's, maybe the, uh, or you could do the same one again if you want to re-dial.
Well, I think, I thought the, the truth billboards, kind of interesting.
I, I would be surprised that TBN had that, but I think I just called, wanted to see what
it would be like, and when we were testing, and the truth person, like, seemed saved,
and then we called again and they worked.
It just varies person by person.
Yeah.
That's why I said you never know what you're going to get.
Thank you for calling the 24 hour crossroads anyone pray for a line, please stay on the
line and our first available prayer partner will be glad to speak with you, as you're
on hold, remember that God loves you, cares for you, and is always there for you.
I feel like the first, like, we got a good one and then it took a while to get the second
one or something.
Yeah.
Because we like trying different lines and it wouldn't work or something.
This is what happens.
Live radio, folks.
I think that what's good about a show like this is it just kind of, it kind of shows
how there's a lot of people that just don't believe the gospel.
Right.
Because I think a lot of people think that anything Jesus is good.
Yes.
And yet we're showing there's a lot of variance.
You can also leave a brief voice message by pressing one on your phone.
It might be too high-risk, but doing that video chat deal someday on The Baptist Biotech
might be interesting.
Somebody's saying, "Can we drop numbers for you to call?
That sounds dangerous."
It depends on how much you trust the audience, Pastor Shively.
Maybe if you send us a website that we can verify the number.
Does she pray Lime?
Yes, ma'am.
I was calling because I was concerned about how to go to heaven, and I didn't know if
that was something that you could help me with.
Your first name is?
My first name is John.
John, right?
Did you grow up in the church, John?
So I've been to a lot of different churches.
I've been to like a non-denominational church, been to a Pentecostal church, visited a Catholic
church before, been to Baptist churches, and like Southern ones, and then like the independent
ones.
And so I've definitely heard a lot of different things, but I just kind of wanted to get some
clarity.
Well, the scripture says, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever believes in Him would not perish but have everlasting life."
That sounds good.
Well, I think all that scripture, but you have to not just believe in the Lord, but
you have to receive Him as Lord and Savior.
The scripture says, "Many as have received Him, to them give you power to become the
sons of God, even to them that believe on His name."
Because you know what?
The devil believes in God, but he doesn't serve Him.
It's very simple.
God made it simple.
You simply have to recognize that you were a sinner, the scriptures that all have sinned
and come short of the glory of God.
You must tell the Lord you're sorry for your sin and then make a conscious decision to
ask Him into your heart.
I'm sure you heard that in the Pentecostal, probably the non-denominational.
Some Catholic churches will share that, but they don't always believe that all of God's
Word is wholly inspired, and the Catholic Church now will more so than in the past share
having a personal relationship with Jesus, but not all Catholic churches.
Yeah, I heard that the Catholic Church believes that you have to do catechism and other things
like that and join their church.
Is that true?
Well, I imagine for some Catholic churches it is.
There are some Catholics that believe in being born again and having a personal relationship
with Jesus.
The Baptist I heard said that all you have to do is believe and that once you're saved
you're always saved.
Is that what you're saying?
Well, we won't get into that theological debate once you're saved you're always saved.
I personally believe that when you give your heart to the Lord you truly do and are serving
him that you are secure.
But there are debates on that.
However, I think you know enough, you've heard enough to know if you're going to heaven,
John.
Well, I just want to make sure I understand, are you just saying as long as I pray I'm
saved?
No, I never said that.
Okay.
You were saying like I have to commit an sin or say I'm sorry for my sin.
Ask the Lord into your heart.
When you do that, the Holy Spirit dwells within you and you go from being God's creation
to becoming a child of God and the scripture says the gift of God is eternal life through
Jesus Christ our Lord.
So that's the starting point and you can compare it to a relationship with a person.
If you've just walked away from that person and said, "Well, yeah, I'm getting to know
them."
You don't spend time with them.
How good is that relationship going to be?
Yeah, you still know that person.
They know you.
You know things about them.
They know things about you.
How good is that relationship?
How deep is that relationship?
The same thing with God.
I'm just comparing that.
It's not the same thing as a human relationship because the other person, God, is perfect
and we're not.
So, do I have to have a good relationship to be saved?
What if I have a bad relationship?
Would I still be saved?
You know what?
We have got a good mentoring program we can refer you to.
Okay.
What I can do is I can take your information, the pastor will call you back in a few days
and he'll give you a link and when you go onto that link, they can provide for you someone
who can mentor you by email, answer all the questions that you need to ask on an ongoing
basis in your walk with the Lord.
What kind of pastor is it?
Because I said all different churches, I was just kind of curious.
I don't know who he's got his papers with but he does our follow-up when people give
their hearts to the Lord.
Okay.
It's up to you.
Would you like me to take your information and have him?
He won't be calling you back tonight, probably sometime.
Nah, it's okay.
He can hang up that one.
It's kind of annoying these lines are just being really vague.
You know, they're just not really saying much.
It's kind of sad because it's like these are great soul-winning opportunities.
Why can't they just have a clear message?
I get not debating but why can't they just give us a clear answer, Ben?
Well, I think it's because they don't really have a clear answer and/or they're following
a very strict script and they can't deviate from that script.
So if you want to try to engage in some kind of conversation about doctrine, they're unable
to do that.
Also, you have to keep in mind, these are random people that they're hiring.
Perhaps each individual, even though they have a script, they have the autonomy to
choose how to deal with every call that comes in.
So they may decide, "Hey, if this person wants to talk doctrine, I'm ready to talk
doctrine, let's go," but there are others who maybe they don't have that capability.
So as soon as you start bringing it up and wanting to talk about eternal security and
things like that, they're kind of just like, "I'm not interested."
This is just a prayer line.
I mean, you heard the first lady.
This is just a prayer line.
So I really think these calls are completely random.
I really don't know that there is a uniform rule that applies to all of them.
I miss the Canadian guy that would argue with us and he was bringing up verses.
To me, the more horrible they are, the better they are.
Can someone tell me what the line was?
Was that the truth billboard one?
Okay.
Let's do another one for Ben here.
Let's spin the wheel for him.
See if we get a different style here.
Character.
Thank you for calling the KCM prayer line.
You do...
Hello, this is Kenneth Copeland.
We really do appreciate your call today and Gloria and I along with our KCM staff love
you.
We're praying for you.
Oh man.
That was fantastic.
They just want Indian bins so maybe we'll just give them what the people want.
I could just do that now.
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Have you ever asked yourself these questions?
Can I really know what is true?
Hello, anybody there? Hello?
Thank you for calling Gospel Billboards. This is Mark.
Hello, how are you doing?
I'm doing great. How are you?
Very good, very good.
I'm calling because I'm wanting to know what you have to do to go to heaven, to go to heaven, to go to the heaven.
Okay. Have you read the Bible?
I don't know. I've never read the Bible. I don't know anything about the Bible.
But I'm wanting to know how to go to the heaven because I don't want to not go to heaven. You know what I mean?
Sure. The alternative is to be separated from God in the lake of fire.
Oh, so India?
No. The alternative to heaven is to be separated from God in the lake of fire.
In India? I'm asking, what do you mean?
No, not in India.
Oh, okay.
Separated from God in the lake of fire, ultimately.
Okay, but how does somebody go to heaven? Do they go by believing, or I hear that you
go in by believing, or there are other things that people say? What do you say about that?
Well, I'll just tell you what the Bible teaches. The Bible says that all have sinned and come
short of the glory of God. There's none righteous, no not one. And so, we need the righteousness
of another. And Jesus Christ came to give us His righteousness, so that we can be just,
right? The Bible says that He, the Son, died the just for the unjust, that He could bring
us to God.
Okay, what else?
So, if we repent of our sins and we put our faith in what Jesus has done for us, then
He will restore that relationship with God that was lost in the Garden of Eden.
I don't, I don't, sorry, sorry sir but my English, my English not very good.
You're telling me repenting, what do you mean, repenting, what do you mean by that?
Okay, so repentance means changing your mind and turning away from your sin.
So no more doing bad things.
No more doing bad things.
Correct.
Okay.
I want to ask you one more thing sir.
What is your name?
What is your name sir?
My name is, my name is Mark.
Your name is Mark?
That's right.
Okay Mark.
One minute.
I, I am, I also working for, I don't know, have you, do you know about Amazon?
Yes.
Okay Mark.
One minute.
Okay Mark.
I see that you, you have outstanding balance of $500 with Amazon, is that, does that sound
right or no?
No.
It's incorrect.
Okay.
Because what we need you to do, sometime what you need to do, if you have any Walmart next
to you, if you go to the Walmart, you get five gift card, one, two, three, four, five
gift card and you give me gift card over the phone and you can pay the $500 outstanding
balance you have with the Amazon, do you know what I'm talking about?
I do know what you're talking about.
Okay.
Can you go to Walmart right now and do that?
I can.
Okay.
Go right now.
I will be waiting for you.
Go now, please.
Oh, no, I can go, but I won't be going.
But why not?
Well, I think you know.
I don't know what you're talking about, sir.
You have $500.
You owe me.
I don't owe you.
You owe me.
So what you need to do, go to Walmart right now and go get gift card for me.
I need five, one, one, two, three, four, five gift card.
If you can get it for me, I really would very much be very happy with you.
And in fact, if you get me the gift card, you and I, we can go to India.
We can go pet tiger together.
I'm not interested in that, though.
Well, let me share with you one other thing, something that Jesus said.
He said that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall have to give an account
of in the day of judgment, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you
will be condemned.
Okay, but I need to ask you, I don't know what you are talking about.
Do I need to, you tell me I don't do a bad thing to go to heaven, but how many bad things
do I need to stop doing, because I, working, let me tell you something I haven't told anybody,
even my wife doesn't know, my wife Rajaan, she doesn't even notice that I do scamming,
I do scamming every day from Bangladesh, India, and I need to know how much bad thing I need
to do, or how many bad thing I don't need to do, to go to heaven, how many thing do
I need to stop doing?
You never told me.
Yeah, you'll need to repent of your whole entire life.
Everything?
You're going against God, everything.
I don't believe it.
Who could do that?
You don't have to believe it.
But who can do that, sir?
I could never do that.
Well, I'm sorry, you'll wind up in the lake of fire.
But I left India.
I left India already 10 years ago to come to America, I don't want to go back to India
again.
I can't believe that guy kept talking to you.
I figured you would just ask him more about how many sins you had to repent of first before
you did anything.
Nah, I just went right into it.
Oh man, that was so funny how he just doesn't even like, he's like unaphased.
He's just like, whatever.
Many people are telling me in the chat room, your accent is very good.
This is how I really talk.
I don't talk other way.
He's not American.
I talk like this.
And for all the Indian out there, they're saying, oh, he's making fun of me.
No, I'm not.
I'm doing tribute for you.
Tribute.
Because I love Indian people.
You eat too much Indian food.
Which hotline was that?
Okay, I did it.
So now everybody can stop bothering me and saying do the Indian again.
You got your Indian, all right?
Now you can all be quiet about it.
Thank you.
Go ahead, Pastor Schell.
What hotline was that?
Random one.
It's all you, though.
I am afraid all of the operators are busy at the moment, but please hold.
I can do a worse Indian.
You sound like a white guy pretending to do Indian.
Good.
That doesn't seem like this one works.
You're Lebanese?
Then how do you sound so good at this as an Indian?
That's a mystery you'll never know.
Can you even do any other accents?
I can do Arab.
What is the difference?
Of course you would ask that.
There's a difference.
You're calling the Christian Television Network prayer line.
Our prayer partner is not available right now, but please call back later and someone
will pray with you.
We do our...
Some of these lines.
I think this is what we did last time, we were going down the list of bad numbers.
We went down the list.
We need to mark those.
I think we should warn the audience which one of these are bad.
I would think, this is my thought, if we find someone that is good, we should commend them.
And if we find someone that's bad, we should discourage them.
We're not going to troll, we don't troll even save people.
Yeah, of course, we just want them to be encouraged to keep going.
Why would we not want to stop people from preaching a false gospel?
People are just like, "Do you think this is okay?
You're lying.
You're not being truthful.
Blah, blah, blah."
It's just like, just stop.
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Maybe we should just switch accents consistently.
The battle never works.
Thank you for calling Morris Cerillo prayer line.
How may I pray with you tonight, please?
Hello.
I was calling to give donation to the hotline, but first I want to know if my donation will
help me get to heaven?
The donation is to help the ministry.
Okay.
To help the work of God.
The donation is not taking you to heaven.
What?
What do you take me to heaven?
You have to take me to heaven is you have to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
Okay.
And live a holy life.
Live a holy life.
How do I live a holy life?
That is what you take me to heaven, not your donation.
Oh.
The donation is to help the ministry.
Okay?
To help the ministry.
So how holy do I have to live?
How holy do I have to live?
Do I have to give, do I have to give money?
No, you don't give money for holiness.
You have to read your Bible every day.
Okay.
Read your Bible.
The Bible is the word of God.
Yeah.
And it's God.
As you are reading the Bible, it's God speaking to your heart.
Okay.
Your soul is in pain.
And you have to read the Bible.
Oh, I have to read the Bible.
Read the Bible always and pray and fast.
Yeah, man.
You have to have a very secret God.
Okay.
And live a holy life.
How many holy life do I have to live?
The holy life doesn't have, be kind, do good, you have to, don't do any evil thing, any
secret thing.
God knows our heart.
Okay.
God knows our heart.
I don't know.
I don't know your heart.
I don't know, I don't know either and I'm kind of curious, if I don't follow the commandments,
am I still saved?
If you don't what?
If I have to follow the commandments, am I still saved?
There's only one way to God to be saved is to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
Then you are saved, your sins are forgiven, but you have to live according to the word
of God, read the Bible, go to church, fellowship, do things God's way, and not the money you
give, not your donation, and you can't count the number of holy life usually, okay?
I'm not really sure, but if I believe, is that enough?
Mate?
Aye.
You have to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
Alright, well, if I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, is that going to be enough to get
me into heaven?
What?
If you do what?
If I just believe, is that going to get me into heaven?
Why are you laughing?
I didn't understand what you just said, I didn't understand.
I'm sorry.
You said what?
When you do what?
Hello?
I'm sorry ma'am.
I just wanted to know if I believe and I go to church, how much holy living would I have
to?
You can't count the number of your holy living.
Just live perfect, work perfect with God.
Work perfect with God.
And you cannot be with God and be doing something else with Satan.
There are only two things.
You are either with God or fully with God or you are fully with Satan.
You can't be half-half.
And there is only one way.
I don't know why I have to be, why do I have to hold my heart?
Listen.
What are you saying?
Listen to me.
You have to follow Jesus with all your heart, spirit, soul and body.
And there is only one way to heaven, to God.
Jesus said He is the way, the truth and the light.
So if you don't follow Jesus, you cannot go to heaven.
What do you mean by heaven?
I mean, I would like to go to heaven.
You want to go to heaven, you have to be saved.
Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, and walk according to the word of God.
And nobody is on this earth right now, nobody is perfect, we are being prepared to be perfect.
Okay, so I don't have to be perfect, but do I have to, how many commandments do I have
to follow?
The commandments, Jesus said, when you read the gospel, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Jesus summarized
all the ten commandments to do.
Love your neighbor as thyself and love God, worship God.
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense, so if I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, I'll be saved.
Yes.
I'm just kind of curious though, if I go to church and I get baptized and I give money
to the poor, would that be enough holy living?
That can, that giving to the poor is all part of it, but you can't say because I've given
money, I've given money to the church, then you're going to live anyhow, you live your
life anyhow, you understand?
So if you are following Christ, you follow Christ with all your heart, your spirit, your
soul, and your body, and then you win souls, you bring people to Christ, you win souls,
the Bible says so.
I'm sorry ma'am, but I wanted to know if I believe, don't you go to heaven, eh?
Believe, yes, believe God, everybody believe God, but we are not perfect, you understand?
You have to work at your own salvation, it's here in trembling.
I'm kind of curious, what accent do you have ma'am?
What?
What part of the country are you from?
The country you are from, that's where I'm from, what country are you from?
I am from many countries.
Where I am from is not important.
The important is we are together doing the work of God, that is the most important thing.
When you go to heaven, God is not going to ask which country you come from.
What kind of money can I give you?
I would like to know what kind of donation, can I give you the pesos or what kind of money
do you accept?
Yes, we are in America, so they take dollars.
Ok, so can I give you some euros?
I don't know, where are you talking from?
Would you like, I could give you euros or bitcoin or do you take francs?
I don't know about that, all I know is we take america, where are you talking from?
I am talking from Texas.
You are in Texas, you are saying you want to give euro, you want to give bitcoin.
I don't know anything about bitcoin.
I don't know what you are saying, but from what I have heard, going to heaven is just
believing in Jesus, it's a free gift, it's just by faith, it's not by holy living.
Holy living is part, you have to be holy please, live a life, perfect life, live a life pleasing
to God.
I don't know, because if I do that, there is no way I am going to go to heaven.
It is not your money, giving money and all that.
I don't think anybody can be holy, I think it is just a faith.
It is your faith and live a life pleasing to God.
You cannot be going to church, you have accepted Christ, and then you are doing something else.
You lie, you tell lies, and you hate somebody, somebody does something to you, you don't
forgive.
Yes, sometimes I tell lies, but I don't try to lie much.
Do you lie much?
Unforgiveness, you have to learn to forgive also.
How many forgive?
That is why you have to read the bible every day, when you have to read the bible the word
of God will talk to you.
I read the bible.
I have the bible.
Do you have the bible?
What do you want me to pray for tonight, please?
In my country, we give gospel.
Gospel is believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.
According to the bible, it's a free gift by faith.
I would pray that you would change your mind and believe in Jesus Christ.
It's a free gift, you don't pay money for it.
It's a free gift.
I don't know what you are saying because you keep saying holy living but the bible says
salvation is by faith, it's a free gift.
I feel like you don't know what you are saying mom.
I think you should change your mind, I think you should repent, I think you should look
up video called the bible way to heaven on youtube and you should look how to believe
in the lord Jesus Christ for salvation.
If you don't believe, you will be ok, let's say you believe in the lord Jesus Christ and
then you start, if somebody does something, you don't forgive the person, but Jesus is
never forgiving you, why can't you forgive that person?
Yeah, you see, if you don't believe, you are going to be curtains, yeah.
Alright thank you ma'am, I don't even know what to do here.
I didn't realize your Russian was that good, where did you learn the Russian accent from?
I just was throwing stuff out, I figured at some point she'd be like, what's going on?
No, they just, they go with the flow.
I'm sure these people get all kinds of wacky insane people calling them 24/7, so nothing
shocks them anymore.
I was curious if I changed accent if the person would say something.
Nah, they're used to it.
Obviously it's probably bad, it doesn't sound that good, but it was different.
I'm sure they're used to it, or she assumed there was like 10 people on the line simultaneously.
See, I don't know what to do with those people, I want this person to get saved, but they're
like a heretic, giving people the bad gospel.
What was the number for that?
Can y'all help me?
What was our call line for that, did y'all remember?
Morris Swillow.
Alright, we don't even know.
Pentecostal.
So that was a Pentecostal.
Look folks, Pentecostals don't have the right gospel, they're going to teach you holiness.
That's why you got to find a fundamental Baptist church, King James only.
And look, that's what we're demonstrating with the show.
We're demonstrating that when you go to these other denominations, you talk to these people,
they don't have clear answers.
They're not giving a clear sound.
They're not giving you saved.
Somebody in here said I had to give a donation now because I quote, "Promised."
I don't think I...
I think it's tongue in cheek.
I don't think I promised it.
Tongue in cheek comment there, Pastor Shelley.
I don't think they're being serious.
Okay.
There we go.
All right.
Go ahead and key up another one for Ben.
What do we got this time?
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You have the accent again.
Do you have another accent?
We know this because he says in Jeremiah 29, 11 and 12.
Yeah, what do you have?
Do you have something else?
I know the plans I have for you.
Plans to prosper you?
Not really.
Plans to give you a hope in the future.
Just give us some Bernie Sanders.
Call upon me and pray and I will listen.
I have an idea, but I want to do it in my normal accent.
All right, that's fine.
Your normal accent.
Normal.
Whatever that is.
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Hey.
Going pretty good tonight.
How about with you?
I'm doing pretty good.
So, this is a...
I'm fine.
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So, this is a prayer line?
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You can pray or talk or...
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But mostly prayer is what people are calling for.
There's something I needed to talk about, so I was kind of driving down the road.
And I saw this billboard that was like pro-LGBT, and I realized I just...
I hate homosexuals.
And I was curious what you think about that.
I just hate them.
I kind of wish they would all die, to be honest with you.
Have you had an experience with a homosexual that made you feel that way?
Like has someone wronged you or you just grew up thinking that wasn't just a bad behavior?
I just...
I just hate them.
Like just the fact that they exist.
I mean they defile children, they're pedophiles, you know what I mean?
Well I don't completely agree with that because I do know some homosexuals.
I've seen them protest churches too.
I was reading in my Bible, it was Leviticus 20, it says that if a man also lie with mankind
as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination, they shall surely
be put to death.
Their blood shall be upon them and it kind of made me realize these people should be
put to death by the government.
Now, unfortunately the prayer and crisis referral network doesn't want us to talk about things
like that on the prayer line.
It's primarily to pray for people who are hurting or in need of some sort of healing
or direction, but we cannot have the political sense to have them.
I'm definitely hurting because of these sodomites, I'll tell you that much.
They hurt my spirit, I'm vexed every day with the filthy conversation of the wicked.
That I can tell you.
But so is it just that one sin that bothers you or is it, cause you know there's so many
other things in the world that are wrong to God and that hurt God as well.
I hate all sin, there's no question about that, but man that one really really just
angers me because they're filthy.
You know, the Bible says they're brute beasts.
I tell you what, how about you do this favor for me, okay, and then we can cut the call.
Just go to SodomiteDeception.com and then you'll see where I'm coming from.
How does that sound?
Alright.
I'll do that in my spare time.
So we have an agreement then.
You go to SodomiteDeception.com and you check out that documentary and you will see where
I'm coming from.
And I can guarantee you this.
After you watch that film, you may be the one calling me talking about how much you
hate the homos.
Well, thank you for sharing that.
Alright.
Well, hey, God bless you.
Have a great night.
You too, sir.
Bye bye.
Alright.
I hate faggots.
How do you really feel?
Although I don't feel like you expressed yourself clearly enough.
That was weird.
She's just like, "Oh.
Have you been injured?
Are you okay mentally?"
Oh man.
So that was my character.
Was it character or accent?
I think it was still on character.
That was accent.
My accent is I hate homos.
I hate fags.
Is that an accent?
So that's an interesting accent that you have there, Ben.
Oh man.
Alright.
Did I take the show in the direction that you didn't expect?
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We are so glad that you called.
Oh, Rod Parsley.
I think he's another Pentecostal too.
The World Harvest Church.
The large non-denominational Ohio.
The World Harvest Church.
The large non-denominational Ohio.
He's on Daystar, The Word Network.
Maybe he's saying...
This is Pastor Rod Parsley.
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Oh boy, this is where the show gets serious.
We're going to be like, "Pastor Schoen is dancing with Cece here."
Oh yeah, it's on the back of his bias, lying, deceiving false prophets, calling them out.
He had 50 accents, he was making fun of Chinese people and Indian people and Asian people.
He had a terrible British accent.
The British accent was no good.
Really?
I liked the Russian one, but the British.
I feel like I was better at British than the other ones.
I thought Russian was top-notch.
I feel like my Indian's pretty bad.
Indian not so bad.
Russian was good.
I kind of tried to have like a Minnesota Canadian accent.
I tried the Italian, but the Italian's kind of like over the top.
The Italian was a little bit stereotypical, but that's what makes it fun.
This will be on YouTube in the morning for sure, a channel that gets good views.
They'll say, "Pastor, I mean, I really, it's funny at this point, like I don't even know
that I have a reputation, so I don't know what there is to destroy."
What is there to be said about you that hasn't already been said though?
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I'll take it back.
I actually think your British was okay.
We might have dropped that one.
This is Pastor Rod Parsley.
We're still on hold.
Oh, okay.
There's a lot of other people doing Christian Rotland podcasts right now, apparently.
Apparently everybody says, "Oh, the Mexican."
There we go.
How did you do Mexican?
Oh, British.
You did Mexican?
Yeah.
I didn't even notice.
Ebon and Float?
It must have, yeah, or it just wasn't that good.
Stay away.
I have to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
I think Russian was clearly the best.
No one said Indian.
It's okay.
I can only do one accent.
Well, two.
Give us some Lebanese.
I want to hear it.
The Lebanese, they talk like this.
They don't know how to do a certain sound, so they talk like this with kind of accent.
They talk like this.
But they put a little bit of Arabic word in the sentence, because they don't know only
one language.
They speak one, two, three, three languages in Lebanese.
That's a hard...
I feel like I would just go into Russian if I tried to do your accent, because it's
like a little bit...
I do the same thing, and I put a little bit Arabic in it.
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That was how I got saved? That's how you got saved?
Wow. That was really lame. Let's go to another one.
Did we try the truth boards? Those usually are always hair ticks.
Oh, T.D. Jakes, great.
That'd be cool if the real T.D. Jakes answered.
Or Cliff Dollar, what's his name?
Preflo.
I'm sure I could learn some others like French.
I don't know if I can do a French accent.
No offense to French people.
I like that.
I think I can do a Scottish accent.
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This just seems like money, money, money, bye.
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Ooh, I love truth.
Have you ever asked yourself these questions?
No.
Can I really know?
Hello, this is Orly with 83 for Truth Gospel Billboards.
Hey, this is John.
What was your name again?
Orly.
Orly?
Orly.
Yeah.
You said it.
Orly?
Right.
Thank you.
Yeah.
O-R-L-I-E.
O-L.
What was your name again?
John.
Okay.
Yeah.
Sorry.
I just wanted to know your name.
So Orlando, what do you have to do to be saved?
What do you have to do to be saved?
Did you see one of the billboards?
Is that what prompted you to call?
Yeah.
I just, I mean, I just wanted, I'm just kind of nervous about it.
I just, you know, I like the truth and, you know, I want to talk to you.
It's Orion.
Is that your name again?
No.
Orly.
O-R-L-I-E. Orly.
It's a little different name, but you're saying it just right.
It's a silent H.
Well, I am so thankful that you're calling about this.
This is probably the most important question that you'll ever ask, is what do I need to
do to be saved?
I agree.
So, again, I've heard a few different things, I just wanted to be sure, what is it that
I have to do to go to heaven or be saved?
Jesus said, in the Word of God, Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life.
No one cometh to the Father, but I am He."
Amen.
So, to go through Jesus, which is by the blood of Christ, to believe in Jesus, to believe
in His life, that He was born and was here, and in His death, how He died on the cross,
and then His resurrection, how He rose from the dead, this is something that...
Well, I believe all that.
Does that mean I'm saved?
And then to follow.
Okay.
And then to follow Jesus.
Follow.
What does that mean?
Well, what that means is you deny yourself, you take your cross upon you, and you follow
Him.
And He will lead you and guide you in the way that you should go.
And that involves a lot, you know, as far as that goes.
But you know...
Do you think salvation is like a one-time thing, like it's a one-time decision, or do
I have to constantly follow?
Yes, you constantly follow.
Yes, you do.
I mean, Omar, I'm just not sure what you mean by that.
It is a thing that you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior.
You need to do that.
That's the beginning.
That's what they call being born again.
If you come to the place to where you repent, see, this is the thing of it.
All of us have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
And so, we do have sin in our lives, and we need to bring this to Jesus and recognize
the sin and simply confess that sin and repent.
I opened the Bible, and I went to this book called Romanos, or Romans, and it said in
Romans chapter 3, it said, "Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption
that is in Christ Jesus."
So, this verse says that it's free.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, it's free?
It's a free gift.
Oh, okay.
It says in verse 28 here, I'm looking, it says, "Therefore we conclude the man is justified
by faith without the deeds of the law."
So, does that mean I don't have to follow?
See, when Jesus came, He fulfilled the law.
Yeah.
All the law and the prophets, Jesus fulfilled that law.
And He came and died for you, for us.
Jesus died for you.
Yeah.
It doesn't matter what your sin is, but see, this is where people have a tendency in our
day and age to stumble.
Okay.
And that is this thing that, well, it's a free gift.
And so I don't have to do anything.
All I have to do is accept it, and then that's it.
Well, that's what it sounds like.
But if you go back to James and you read the book of James, then it explains that faith,
if you have faith in Jesus Christ, faith without works is dead.
Okay.
But does that mean that the faith can't exist without it?
Yeah, faith can't exist without works.
If you have faith, it will make a difference in your life.
Jesus will give you new life and the prophecy is this, "A new heart also will I give you,
and a new spirit will I put within you.
I will take your stony heart out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
I will put my spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statutes and to keep my
judgments and do them."
See, that's how Jesus, He accepts you exactly where you are but He'll never leave you there.
He'll walk with you and take you further and then the sanctifying process, the sanctifying
process which is walking with Jesus and to follow Him and that is a life-long process.
Well, you brought up James.
I was kind of curious because I flipped over there.
It says in James 2, 23, it says, "Abraham believed God and it was imputed unto him for
righteousness."
So, in James 2, it says that it's just by believing that you would have righteousness.
Mm-hmm.
And how do you believe?
If I flip back to that Romans book, it said something about, "Faith cometh by hearing
and hearing by the word of God."
I think it also says that, "If thou shalt confess at thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt
believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
So, it sounds like all I have to do is just believe.
Then if you read on in James...
Yeah, I just read James.
It said all I had to do is believe.
Yeah.
then you continue on, not just what you, Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for
righteousness and he was called the friend of God. You see then that man is justified
by works and not by faith only. So that's saying, that's saying that he was the friend
by his works, but he was saved by his faith, right? That's right. And he proved his faith
by his works. So I don't have to have works to be saved, I just have to have works to
be a friend. Well you have to have works to be saved. In other words, you will have works.
But there's a verse, someone show me a verse in Ephesians 2, it said, "For by grace are
you saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God not of works." List any
manageables. So how could Ephesians 2.9 be right when it says "not of works" and then
you Orlando are saying that it's by works. Also by works. But it said it's not of works.
It seems like a paradox, doesn't it? It sounds like you're lying. In other words, if you
read in Romans, you go to chapter 6 in Romans, where Paul talks about this continuing in
sin, Romans chapter 6. Dead be sin alive to God. What shall we say then? Shall we continue
in sin that grace may abound? And he says certainly not. How shall we who die...
So we shouldn't sin, right? That's what that verse is saying. We shouldn't sin, right?
But the verse, there's a couple verses before that. It says in Romans 5.20, it says, "But
where sin abounded, grace did much more abound." So it sounds like even if I do sin, God's
grace covers that and I'm still saved. Okay, so I don't have to have works to be saved.
If you fall into sin, but you do need to repent of that sin.
Okay, but what if I don't? Well, if you don't, then you get to the place
to where you are separated more and more from God because you're not obeying and you're
not following and you're living in sin. But I don't understand, Obama. If I believe,
won't I be saved? If you believe. But if you believe, you will not continue in sin.
So what does it mean to believe in your mind? Is believe like a one-time trust?
In my mind, the way it works is that if you believe, you show by your life that you believe.
So if you don't show by your life... But here's the thing. Omar, if you were to stand
before God and God said, "Why should I let you into heaven?" What would you say?
Oh, what would I say? Now, why am I deserving of going into heaven?
Right. Like if God's like, "Why are you going to get in there, Ornando?"
Yeah. Just simply by your grace and by the blood of Christ and by your mercy and grace
and the blood of Christ, that's how I'm going to get into heaven. Not by any work, by anything
that I do, not by any merit that I might think that I might have, nothing like that. It
is all by the grace of God.
So Osteen, I just don't understand, like you said earlier it was by works and now you're
saying it's not by works. So if I were to stand in front of God, would I say like, "Well,
I went to church. I read my Bible. I tried to do good." Would that get me into heaven
or is it Jesus died on the cross and paid for all my sins? Which one is going to get
me in?
Jesus died on the cross and saved you from your sins. That's the one that's going to
get you.
Okay. Do you think someone could lose their salvation?
Let's see here. This is what I want to point out. And that is for as the body without the
spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. That's in the book of James. And
so that is why, that is why. And I guess I might ask you this question, sir. And that
is, your name was John, right? Yeah. Yeah. I might ask you this question, John. And that
is why do you want to continue in sin? Why do you not want to have any works? Well, look
Obi-Wan Kenobi, I just, sometimes I just, you know, have a bad thought. I look at, you
know, things, you know, differently. And I think like, according to the Bible, I'm not
even supposed to lust after money or things or women or any of this kind of stuff. According
to the Bible, you know, it seems like just even hating someone is murder. That's what
Jesus said. So the way I look at it, we probably sin every single day. So it's not that I really
want to. It's just the fact that I feel like I can't stop. And I'm not saying like I'm
doing something. I'm not killing a lot of people or anything like that. So it's just,
I just want to know like what I have to do to be saved. And I mean, you know, look Oprah,
I just, I want to know what's the bare minimum so I can know I'm saved.
Yeah, that seems to be, that seems to be a little, that seems to be a little, there's
something not quite jiving up. See, Jesus put it this way. He said salvation, now that's
in my words, but it is like, the kingdom of heaven is like this pearl that the person
found in the field. Okay. And he sold, I like pearls. And he sold everything that he had,
he sold everything that he had. So I have to sell everything. Yes, so that he could
purchase this field that had this, had this treasure in it, that had this pearl in it.
Well, I live in Texas, so if I buy a Texas field, will I get a pearl? How was that again?
Pardon? Do I have to buy a specific field to get a pearl? No. Oh, I'm sorry. You get
the guess of the message. Okay. And that is that salvation through the blood of Jesus
is so precious. Yes. It is, being in the kingdom of God is so precious, it is worth so much
that we give our entire life and everything that we have. So if I, okay, so I have to
give everything. We surrender that to Jesus. I surrender it all. You surrender it all.
Well I mean, okay, forgive me, is it Orville Ruddenbacher? Is that your name? No, it's
Orly Troyer. Oh, Orly Trailer. Yeah, Orly Troyer. Only Trailers. O-R-L-I-E, Orly. You
got that? Yeah. Okay. So, I'm sorry. I just, I'm really bad at names. I just, I feel like
I've heard people say "surrender at all" and I've heard people say "believe." It seems
like according to the Bible though, salvation is just a free gift though, again. I don't
understand why I have to give it all or pay it all like if it's free. Like if someone
said like, "Hey, I got an all-you-can-eat buffet and it's free," and then I show up
and they're like, "But you got to give all your money to me," I'd be like, "That's
like a lie."
Yeah. I see what you're saying.
I mean, okie dokie, I just don't understand like what I have to do to be saved. I feel
like I'm so confused.
Yeah. That's the thing of it is that because…
I'm just kind of curious like how long have y'all… y'all like train for this, right?
Like do you go to a church? Okay, what kind of church do you go to?
I'm a Mennonite.
A Mennonite.
I'm a Mennonite.
Oh, okay. And this is… is like all of your… the guys that work for you, are they Mennonites?
Are they different kinds of Christians or…?
The people that work for us?
Yeah.
They're not all… they're not all Mennonites.
Do Mennonites wear those funny hats?
There's one. Yeah, the women wear… the women wear a covering on their head.
Okay, and like do you like ride a buggy to like work?
I didn't think y'all were allowed to use technology.
Why are you on the phone?
No, we don't.
We don't.
We don't drive buggies, horses.
Is there like a mule or something that's like carrying the signal?
You mean the mule?
Is that what you said?
Yeah, like a phone mule.
No.
Is this like a phone booth?
No.
We have phones and we have electricity and…
Oh, okay.
I thought like electricity was like the devil for y'all or something.
It's like lightning fell from heaven?
There are Amish people that live like that.
Oh, okay.
So y'all don't like the Amish?
We are and yet we aren't.
It's a little bit different.
Are they like cousins or something?
Are y'all all related?
Maybe that's a good way to put it, but no, we're not all related, not at all.
So would you like marry an Amish person?
Yes, probably.
Okay, what about like a Christian?
We used to be Amish, but we're not anymore, we're now Mennonites.
So why did you split?
Well, the reason that we did the transition to Mennonites is because the whole church
decided to do that.
Man, I was born, I just can't even believe it.
I'm just kind of confused, like, okay, so according to the Bible, salvation's a free
gift by faith.
I can understand why you're confused.
So the Bible says salvation's a free gift by faith, not a works.
You say it's surrender your life and it's by works.
So should I believe you or the Bible?
You need to believe the Bible.
So the Bible says it's a free gift then?
The Bible also says that it is a free gift if you accept it.
You have to accept this gift.
Right, so I accept it by faith, right?
Like John 1-12 says, "But as many as received him to them gave you power to become the sons
of God."
Now that's, what does that mean?
Well, it means to put your faith in what Jesus did, right?
Because if Jesus paid it all, and I put all my faith in what He did, that would make
me saved.
Whereas, if I believe by my works, then I'm trusting myself to get to heaven.
Yeah.
Why would it take power to become the sons of God?
Well, the power is given unto me by God to become a son of God through faith.
I become born again.
And I'm born again by the Spirit.
And then what happens?
Well, now that I'm saved, I should try to read the Bible.
Well, I should try to go to church.
I should try to have works that accompany my salvation.
But my salvation was accomplished by faith alone in Jesus Christ.
That is right.
Sounds like you said everything.
You have said it correctly.
But what do you believe?
I believe that.
I believe those works are simply accompany your faith.
If you don't have works, you don't have faith.
It's just that simple.
But what about the Bible, Romans 4.5, it says, "But to him that worketh not, but believeth
on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."
Doesn't that say somebody could have no works and be saved?
"His faith is counted for righteousness."
Look, I think that you're just confused here.
I think that you grew up in a cult that teaches work salvation, and you've never probably
heard the clear gospel.
But the Bible says salvation is a free gift by faith without works, and it's once saved,
always saved.
You don't have to do any of these extra faith and following and surrendering, because if
you had to do that, Jesus didn't need to die on the cross.
Jesus already died on the cross, paid all your sins, all you have to do is put your
faith in Him one time, and that's what causes you to be born again.
You're teaching a works-based salvation and you're not even saved.
And it's weird that you're on a hotline trying to tell other people how to get saved when
you're not even saved.
Oh my goodness.
Well, I think so.
You need to watch The Bible Way to Heaven on YouTube or Rumble.
You need to find a Baptist church.
In fact, which Bible do you use?
I use, right in front of me, I have a New King James Version.
Well you need to get the King James.
You don't need the New King James.
The New King James is bad.
You need to go to PreserveBible.com and watch the documentary and at the end of the video
to explain how to go to Heaven and how to be saved.
The King James Bible is the Word of God.
The other versions twist and pervert the scripture.
How did you say that?
I would like to hear that again.
Go to PreserveBible.com.
Did you say the King James Bible does, is, is, is true?
Yes, you should use the King James Bible.
The new King James perverts the scripture.
I have.
I also have the new King James.
Yeah, that's garbage.
You should get rid of it.
It's just in a language that we speak more closely, but the King James Bible is what
I have used from a very small child on earth.
Well you should watch the Bible Way to Heaven, Oswald, because the reality is salvation's
a free gift just by faith.
I feel like you're teaching a false gospel.
It seems really clear that you're not saved.
You need to change what you believe and put all your faith in Jesus Christ.
I thank you for your time sir, okay?
Please change your mind.
Please believe in Jesus.
I'm out.
That guy would have talked to me forever.
That's like the Canadian guy.
I think that was the same, was that the same one?
No.
Was that 83 truth?
Yeah, I think that was 83 truth.
It's so frustrating.
The Canadian guy pissed me off more.
Maybe we need to have our own Baptist bias hotline Ben you can call.
They can call you and you can get them saved.
Call me?
Yeah.
Okay, sure.
Easy way to get my soul in again.
Right.
Man, that's just sad.
It's just sad that people are calling these people wanting answers and they just get that.
It seemed like he tried to just agree with me at the end no matter what I said.
He obviously was playing both sides of the fence there because he was saying that he
would just proclaim his faith in Christ if he were asked why he deserves to go to heaven
but then at the same time he pretty plain blank said that you have to have works to
be saved.
These people contradict themselves because obviously they don't have the Holy Spirit
inside them.
They're blinded and so they're I guess unaware of the fact that they are holding to conflicting
views.
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Let's do one last one.
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It's got like 500 hearts, so at least 500 people like it.
But maybe they're liking the attack, not our event.
Spencer Smith said, "This is a cult, and they're not a Christian organization, and
they're not a church."
I wasn't the impression that we were, but I guess not.
I was pretty sure that Spencer Smith was King James only, wasn't he?
Yeah, but he hates us, so the doctor doesn't matter.
Is he even saved, or is he like a hardcore "Penny or Sins" guy?
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What?
That's weird.
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In Psalm 139 he tells us he loved you from the moment he created you.
It's so funny because it's like if you have an American flag that's been tattered or worn,
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You're not supposed to throw it away or anything like that.
You're supposed to just get rid of it, but it's like you burn ESV and replace it with
a King James and everybody loses their mind.
Right?
Screw him.
Acts 19, 19, that's all I have to say about that.
I mean they burn witchcraft books for sure.
Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together and burned them before
all men and they counted the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.
Go cry about that.
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Is that the guy from the anti-OSAS documentary?
Anybody know Spencer Smith?
Is he right on the gospel?
I know he hates us, but I'm just kind of curious what people think of these.
I don't think that he's the president of our fan club.
Do you think he likes us as much as Greg Locke?
Probably.
Greg Locke is more likely to hang out with the friendly atheist.
Bunch of people are asking me about all the "drama" going on in the world, but, you know,
if you want to know, just listen to the sermon Wednesday night.
That's all I gotta say.
We are less than 24 hours away from that.
Yeah, I'm planning on talking about it once and then just leaving it once.
Are you gonna drop a nuke?
I'm definitely not gonna have a "private meeting" since I can't do that anymore.
Such a thing.
Constantly being recorded.
Yeah, talk about Big Brother.
I guess that's what everybody likes, it's communist already.
Are these people gonna even answer us?
Maybe we should just go back to good old 83Truth, 'cause they really like to chat over there.
You're gonna drop the atom bomb and then just walk away.
That's so funny 'cause that Spencer guy has this thing called "atom" or something.
It's like these documentaries he made, it's like "atom 1" and "atom 2" or "atom 3".
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Can I really know what is true?
It's funny to me because I've seen these people out there already like kind of putting
these...
Is this John again?
Hello?
Hello, John?
It's Ben.
Oh, it's Ben.
Is it a different person than it was before?
It's the same phone number.
It is in fact a different person.
Same phone number but a different person?
Yes.
How does that happen?
I have no idea to be honest with you.
Okay.
That was fantastic.
Best call of the night.
Orly.
Right there.
Good job, Ben.
Good job.
All right.
I guess...
Fantastic.
That was awesome.
All right.
Billy Graham one.
I think that we've done at the bottom.
I think 24.
The Billy Graham one had a save person on it last time.
It's been mixed.
It's like a mixed bag, I think.
Yeah.
Let's try this so we can get one more.
That guy seemed nice, though, right?
I mean, I wasn't...
I wanted to rebuke him because that was what I was supposed to do, but I was trying to
just...
You seem like kind of an old man, you know?
I kind of feel bad for him.
Maybe I've just gone soft or something.
Probably.
Well, you got...
I mean, it's like hard because it's like this is a person that's...
Like this is a real person.
We want them to be saved, you know, and it's just kind of frustrating.
What about number four?
Did we already do that one maybe?
But someone's like, "This is a medical alert center."
Well, you know what?
I thought our show last week was pretty good.
It actually got a lot of views.
It was kind of spicy.
It's kind of funny that, you know, saying that almost is a nice thing we can say.
But rather...
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Like are we...
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Like are we gearing up for this?
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I mean, I don't think we're in the End Times.
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These people think that we're terrible and awful, but then they watch everything that
we do.
They watch everything we do.
They're our biggest fans.
What's the point?
Yeah.
They actually like us.
Yeah.
The people who like us watch less than the people who hate us.
Could you imagine that?
It's probably because the people who hate us have absolutely no life, nor are they life.
I feel like they would be depressed if the new I.B. didn't exist.
If the new I.B. didn't exist, they would have nothing to live for.
Absolutely nothing to live for, period.
It is what their being revolves around.
It is why they wake up in the morning.
It is why they breathe air.
It is why they eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
It is what makes them tick.
It is their obsession.
It is their compulsion.
It's their tattoo.
It is what they do.
It's their life's work.
They were anti-new I.B.
They wake up every morning and they just think of new ways to hate us.
It's like, this is what's funny about it, it's like the worst Christians out there,
the worst preachers, it's the new I.B., right?
You know what's the problem with America right now?
As America is only bob, sled, straight to hell with faggots and communism and leftism
and feminism and all kinds of false religion, the new I.F.B., that's what I'm gonna spend
my entire life warring against, is the new I.F.B. because that's what's wrong with America.
Right.
It doesn't seem like a coincidence that we've been just killing it lately and then all these
people come out of the woodwork to hate us or whatever.
Little rats typically come out of the sewer system, so what do you expect?
At least it's hard to get a hold of these people so they're not damning a bunch of people
to hell.
You know what's not wrong with America?
These hotlines getting people the false gospel all the time.
Yeah, apparently it's so difficult to connect to them anyway.
It's us calling them and telling them that they're not saved.
Deany, thank you for calling the Christian Broadcasting Network.
This is Brian.
How may I help you?
How's it going, Brian?
This is Ben.
How are you doing?
How may I assist you this evening?
Well, I was just kind of calling and seeing, you know, a lot of people, they have different
views on salvation and how to go to heaven.
There's some folks who believe that salvation is kind of like just by faith alone on the
Lord Jesus Christ.
There's others who would say that salvation is a combination of faith and works.
So I was curious if you would be willing to offer your position on this crucial issue.
Well, it's against CBN's policy for me to preach teacher, give my opinion, so I would
not be able to answer your question.
All right.
I wasn't expecting that.
So how are you doing then?
Well, anything.
I'm fine.
And you?
Is there anything else that I can assist you with?
What can you talk about?
You have a prayer request?
You know, I'm here to pray for you if you have a prayer request.
I would like to pray.
My prayer question would be like, I want to pray that you would tell me what you believe
it's necessary to be saved.
Well, sir, again, it's against CBN's policy.
For me to preach, teach, or give my opinion so I would not be able to answer your question.
But what if somebody is about to die and they need to go to heaven, like what if I'm about
to die?
Like, wouldn't you tell me?
Well, sir, my position is if you would want to pray the prayer of salvation, then I would
be very happy to lead you in that prayer of salvation that you come to know Jesus Christ
as Lord and Savior.
But again, it's against CBN's policy for me to preach, teach, and to give you my opinion.
Well, that kind of puts us in a bit of a bind here, because the whole purpose of the call
was to see what you believe, and you're not willing to give that to us, so I guess that
about does it.
So appreciate your time today here on the Baptist Bias.
Thank you for being our guest tonight, and we look forward to having you on perhaps sometime
in the future.
I don't know what else to do.
Oh, man.
I mean, I just, what's the point of these hotlines?
These hotlines suck.
I mean, they're just terrible.
I can't answer that question.
I'd love to.
Why, why is it that the devil is so committed?
Like think about it.
This costs a lot of money.
This is a lot of time.
This is a lot of effort.
This is a lot of energy put into these hotlines and they don't even have, they won't even
tell you how to be saved?
It's against their policy to give their opinion on anything.
I mean, I'm just repeating what the guy said.
Like hey, what if I said like, hey, I want our church to start a hotline, but it's going
to be our policy that we can't tell anyone how to go to heaven.
What's the point?
Well if you're just hiring Joe Schmo off the street who hasn't cracked open a Bible and
doesn't know the difference between Genesis the book and Genesis the car manufacturer,
then you would want to have that policy, right?
I mean, I really just, do they even get enough money from that?
Like do you think these hotlines really bring in enough money?
Well, I'm sure they probably bring some money in.
They probably solicit, you know, donations and stuff from people.
It's because they have it on the TV so they need someone to call, like they're just, they're
constantly just like, call now if you want to donate.
Call now.
Call now to donate.
And then like, that's what they're expecting us to say.
Yeah, and then you get a blessing in response for donating.
You can pray and then you can give them some money or something like that.
Exactly right.
I don't know, that's just sad.
There's really not much else to it.
It is a scam almost, a spiritual scam.
We have another one on the line, is that what I'm hearing?
Yeah, it looks like we're currently on hold with one more.
Okay, I guess we'll just finish on this one.
But folks, you know, it's so hard to get connected to these people that it kind of makes me feel
a little bit better that it's so difficult since the majority of them preach a false
gospel.
It must mean that they're not reaching that many people.
Or they're just busy damning people's souls to hell while we're waiting.
It's also possible.
Although we got that same guy.
That was funny.
We did.
Yeah.
He's like, "This is the same number."
Let's probably block this now.
Well, he asked how that could be possible, and I really didn't know what to say at that
point.
People said we need more street debates.
What do you think, Pastor Shelley?
I kind of would like to go maybe back to some of the schools and talk to the students again.
I thought that was kind of fun.
That was kind of fun.
It's just kind of sad that the college kids are just so uneducated.
Yeah, that kind of seems oxymoronic considering that they're at an institution that is supposed
to be higher-learning, educating them, but it's really propagandizing them with left-wing
garbage.
Hello? Hello? What are you speaking? Are you demon-possessed? Hello? Hello? Do you
need help? Are you foaming at the mouth and rolling around and barking like a dog? Well,
this is a great hotline right here. They definitely hire high-quality callers or hotline people,
whatever they're supposed to be called. Alright, we can cut it. That was fantastic. What a
great call. I don't even know. If you got a question, we might answer a question real
quick. Otherwise, we're going to wrap up the show. Alright, questions from the chat room.
Next week, we have Layton Flowers coming on. He's a former Calvinist, and we're interested
in talking to him, him explaining to us how he decided to transition away from Calvinism,
which I think is kind of a good idea. To transition from Calvinism? No, from Calvinism away from
Calvinism. So he used to be a Calvinist, and then he totally realized that it was wrong.
I guess he didn't have a choice. It's kind of funny, it's like, that would be funny,
like I believe in Calvinism, but I don't believe in Calvinism. It's like God forced me to not
believe in Calvinism, but Calvinism is true. It's just I don't personally believe it, but
it's true because God forced me to not believe in it.
How could they hold you accountable for something that God forced you not to believe?
Like could you meet someone that's, like have you ever met a Calvinist who's not elect?
That would be the funny, that would be like a funny skit. It's like the non-elect Calvinist.
He's like, yeah, I don't believe in Calvinism, but it is true. It's just that I don't personally
believe in it because God didn't elect me. God didn't want me to ever believe in Calvinism.
So it's unfortunate that I'm damned. And, you know, of course, Calvinism is true. And
of course, you know, the election is true. I just am not the elect one. It's just a sad
day. Like, I've never heard a single one make that claim and I don't think I ever will.
Wouldn't that be funny? He's like the non-elect Calvinist. He's just like, man, yeah, it's
the same that, you know, I just wasn't elected. Nothing I can do about it.
Too bad. But Calvinism is still true. That'd be funny if they say that.
Right. He's talking to a Calvinist. He's like, so what can I do to change the fact that I'm
not elect? Nothing.
Oh, okay. So I can't believe? What can a dead man do?
I mean, the thing that's hypocritical is they would tell the person to believe. So, I don't
know. It seems like haters are just fixated on one
topic. They can't move on. All right. Well, that's pretty much going to do it for us.
Thanks for joining in. It wasn't as fun as the first time, I think. It kind of burned
out. Folks, the sequel is never as good as the
original. No.
How are you going to realize that? The original is always the best.
I guess we're talking about Star Wars, in which Empire Strikes Back was probably better,
for sure. Is there a movie where you feel like the second
one's better? Empire Strikes Back, better than A New Hope.
What about Toy Story 2? Did you ever see that one?
I never even watched it. I feel like Toy Story 2 is pretty good.
That's my wife. Did you ever watch the Lord of the Rings series?
I think I watched it one time as a kid. I got bored maybe 20, 25 minutes in and turned
it off. Like just the first one?
Yeah. Is that the one where there's a guy that's talking about...
The hobbit with the ring and everything. He says that the ring's precious and he looks
like a demon. I don't think that's about it.
There's some worldly movies out there. I thought the second one was better.
I mean, there's a lot of films out there that you could argue is the exception to the rule,
but in general, the sequel is no longer... What about Home Alone 2? Have you seen Home
Alone and Home Alone 2? I think I saw the first one. I don't remember
watching the second. I feel like Home Alone 2 stood its own.
Oh, somebody said in the chat Shrek 2. Someone said Dark Knight. I don't know if you can
really count Dark Knight as a number 2 because it's like there's a million Batman films.
Terminator 2 for sure is what someone else said. I would agree with the Terminator series.
Christmas Vacation. Someone put Sound of Freedom, but how is that a sequel?
That's not a sequel. I don't even understand how that's a sequel.
Someone says Home Alone 2 is better. Is that the one with Trump?
Yeah. Yeah, it's at the specific hotel, the Grand. What is the one? It's by the park.
Trying to think of which hotel they go to. Someone can help me in the chat.
They go to a famous hotel that's like right by the park.
Have you ever seen that one? I don't know. I've never seen that. Top Gun 2.
Do you know what that is?
Oh, the Plaza. That's right. Yeah, the Plaza. Ace Ventura When Nature Calls.
I've never heard of that.
You know, Pet Detect is pretty good, but...
What about the one with Harrison Ford? Jones.
Indiana Jones. Yeah.
So is the first one's Temple of Doom?
You're asking the wrong guy.
I think Temple of Doom was... Is Temple of Doom number two?
Okay, what was the first one then? Is Raiders of the Lost Ark?
Yeah, first one's Raiders of the Lost Ark. So what do you think is better, the second one?
Hmm. I don't know. I really love the scene in the Raiders of the Lost Ark
where they open the Ark of the Covenant and their faces melt.
Because that's what I made the West Coast Baptists.
When they're watching Pastor Anderson preach. That was a funny clip.
People say Raiders is the best. I think Temple of Doom was decent,
but I think Raiders is probably better. I never even watched the one with
Shia Buff because, I don't know, it didn't even look very good, but
someone said Kingdom of Crystal Skull is best. What is that?
Indian Jones again? Someone said Godfather 2 is better.
No, no, no. He was saying isn't the second Godfather...
Oh, you're right, you're right. Always Baptist said that. And then Peter James
responded isn't the second Godfather generally agreed to be the worst one?
Third Godfather is the worst. I've never, I've actually, this is probably blasphemy,
but I've never really seen the Godfathers, but I've seen like a lot of scenes from them,
but I think I've seen the ending of the third Godfather where,
spoiler alert, where his like daughter gets killed on accident or something.
I've never seen the movie. You just ruined it for me.
I can't, how am I supposed to watch it now? I don't know.
The Last Crusade is the best. Are you kidding me?
Oh man. Sean Connery. Sean Connery.
What about, what about James Bond films? Did you ever watch James Bond films?
I've seen a few of them. Okay.
Do you have a favorite one? Our production crew said Roger Moore is the best James Bond.
I don't know that I have a favorite to be honest. I can't really pick one.
I bet my, I guarantee my dad would agree with the production crew.
I actually strangely enough thought Pierce Brosnan was a pretty good James Bond.
I think he was probably the best James Bond. Like from a stereotype.
Yeah. He's kind of tall, seems British.
When I think of James Bond I think of him.
I mean Sean Connery seems like the most classic. Like he's just kind of a classic.
Honestly I don't even mind the Daniel Craig. I feel like he's okay.
Yeah, Pierce Brosnan for me.
Pierce Brosnan. It's like when video games got popular.
So we always played Goldeneye. Did you ever play Goldeneye?
On the PlayStation 2?
N64.
Oh, N64. I'm thinking of a different game then.
We played it. It might have been on that too.
And then it had Perfect Dark that came out.
It was kind of a weird alternative version of this or something.
So, Jews in Space. Is that a movie?
Rush Hour 2. Okay, there you go.
Rush Hour was a funny comedy, I remember.
We used to play, I used to have like all the guys would come over to my house and we'd play Goldeneye.
This is for LAN parties, so you just have the four corner screen.
And then we'd do Halo, so we'd have to do LAN parties because you could hook them up
without internet. You could just basically connect with a cord or whatever.
With an ethernet cable, you could basically connect to each other.
It's basically how computers work. It's just you're in only one network or something.
We would just play.
Yeah, I don't know what that's like. I used to go outside.
All right, well that's probably going to pretty much do it for us.
We talked a little bit about movies there. There we go.
Some people like shout out to Goldeneye.
That'll get clipped. Worldly Pastor Shelley reminisces about movies that I saw.
I don't even, I haven't even seen like new movies really because
it's like they seem like they're all trash probably, but.
Well, you've seen Sound of Freedom and things like that.
Yeah, I did see Sound of Freedom, but not like...
You saw it too, right?
I did.
What did you think?
Very, very difficult to watch. I wept. Honestly, I wept through it.
So that was a hard watch. Really pissed me off because I felt this rage for The Sodomites
after watching that film and human trafficking and everything like that. A very emotional movie
for me and tough to get through, I would say, from beginning to end. Real tough to get through.
Yeah, obviously it's like a reenactment, but at the same time, it's pretty heart-wrenching.
Yeah, I almost left. There were moments where I said,
"I'm just going to walk out of this theater. I can't handle this anymore."
Well, thanks so much for tuning in, guys. We're next week again going to be
doing a guest, Leighton Flowers. He's going to be coming on. He's going to talk about his transition
away from Calvinism, which is pretty interesting. I think it'll be a pretty good guest.
Seems like he's right on the gospel. I don't think that he's necessarily,
he's not a Baptist or anything like that. He's just kind of a Christian
apologist or something like that. But I think there's probably some Christian
apologists out there saved, I think. Don't you like Frank Turek, I think? Isn't that a guy?
Frank Turek is saved based off of what I'm able to gather. And so I consider him a brother in
Christ. And you know, I think that he has some good content. I realize he's not like us and he's got
a whole bunch of issues and things like that. I understand. Okay, so don't flip out on me here.
But I do like some of his content and I do believe he's a brother in Christ.
Someone asked me what's the best golfing score I've ever had. I guess that would be
the best I've ever shot is a 66. Did you ever get a handicap eight or whatever? Handicap eight.
Remember from the debate when Trump and Biden were talking, he said he was an eight handicap.
Well, Biden's definitely not an eight. The way a handicap works is it's kind of complicated,
but they take like about 20 of your rounds and then they take like the best maybe five or seven
scores and then they average them based on the course rating and then which tees you played from.
Gotcha. So it's loosely about how many over par you would shoot in a particular round,
but yeah, the best I probably shot was like five under, which was it was a par 71. It was like,
so I shot like 76 on that particular round. Well, here's the thing. I challenge you to mini golf.
Good luck. Mini golf. Do you even know how to spell golf? No, I don't. Okay. You'll have to
enlighten me on that after we get off the air. All right, good. All right, thanks so much, guys. This
was the Baptist Bias. It was kind of just a fun show tonight, but make sure to tune in next week.
We got to get some Calvinist bashing in because everybody's got a perspective. You got to get the
the baptist bias.