Are you tired of lame, watered-down preaching, compromising standards, profit-driven faculty
and board members, embracing traditions and standards of the world and committee decision-making?
Would you rather be provoked into a red-hot zeal that no one will ever be able to take
from you?
Then you should definitely go to Bible college.
You say, well, which one?
Well, honestly, any of them will do the trick.
But if you don't want to be persuaded into believing that King James Bible is the perfect
inerrant word of God like those fundies out there, you could be confident that at Bible
college you'll finally get a chance to be around people who are going to accept the
fact that the cornucopia of English Bible translations all basically kind of in a way
communicate what God mostly wanted to say.
At Bible college, you won't have to be around men who dress and act like men or see ladies
and girls dress in modest skirts and dresses, but rather we allow the students to freely
express themselves so as not to deter enrollment.
In fact, any rules or standards here at Bible college that would cause a church or wealthy
family to be offended will be modified promptly to address the obvious need for more modern
inclusivity.
Here at Bible college, we don't want any potential enrollment dollars or excuse me, I should
say students to be turned away for something silly like a verse from the Old Testament.
It's called the Old Testament for a reason, folks.
We don't want to be stuck with the old rules or the old standards.
We need to be flexible and accept other ideas, religions and streams of revenue.
And that's exactly what you'll get here at Bible college.
I should also mention the fact that Bible college has added even more class options
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Programs such as Accepting Worldly Music 203, Rebuke Not a Stack of Cash 101, Unclear Doctrines
Part 2, Non-denominational churches are not a denomination, and this one's my personal
favorite.
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a single solitary soul.
So important.
And remember, the fool hath said in his heart, "Who needs Bible college?"
Oh, that's only something a stupid person would say.
Those who disagree with what I'm saying right now have the utterly contemptible mindset
we at Bible college refer to as the Baptist bias.
Thanks again for joining us this evening.
I feel like Ben's really pumped up.
He's got a shirt on here.
First Works Baptist Church.
He's convincing me I need to go to Bible college and get that expensively once-in-a-lifetime
education.
But actually $450,000.
$450,000 is not much, I mean inflation these days has made it to the point where that's
nothing.
All right Ben, say hello to everyone this evening.
How's it going everyone, excited to be on the show tonight talking about Bible college.
Really it's Bible college exposed and we're here with Pastor Bruce Mejia as our guest.
Of course it's March 14th, 2023 and my milk expired today so I was kind of upset about
that but of course I can always go to the store and get a new one but other than that
I'm doing great.
Well don't cry over spilled milk.
Let's bring on our guest, Pastor Bruce Mejia.
Are you joined here with us?
I'm here.
I'm ready to go to that Bible college that Brother Benjamin was talking about.
I mean I feel like he took that straight out of a Bible college brochure or something.
That was perfect.
Online orientation and yeah I mean it's a very affordable price of $450,000 and I think
that you know these people out there who want to trash Bible college they just don't understand
the education they're missing out on.
Oh yeah definitely.
Well obviously we're not nearly the expert you are.
Neither me or Ben went to Bible college but we know that you have some experience in this
area.
Why don't you give us a little rundown of kind of your experience with Bible college.
Yeah well as soon as I got saved I enrolled into Bible college probably about a month
after and basically the essentially the reason why I went to Bible college is because the
church that I went to told me that if I wanted to be in full-time Christian service, if I
wanted to be a pastor, if I wanted to serve in the ministry full-time the next step would
be to go to Bible college because soon after or right after I got saved I had the desire
to preach and I was under really strong leadership and pastors who were preaching really hard
and so I wanted to do that it created within me a desire to do that and so I expressed
that desire to my leaders and they basically said oh you got to go to Bible college and
so I enrolled and I went and I was there for about five years or so and then after I graduated
from Bible college I was actually a teacher there for I don't know about two years and
then soon thereafter is when I you know left that church or was let go from that church
but yeah I was there for about five years and honestly I was really excited in the very
beginning because I thought that everyone who was going to Bible college was there for
the right reasons and I essentially viewed everyone who was there as a person who was
on fire for God, they loved the Bible, they loved wanting souls to Christ, they wanted
to get involved in full-time Christian service but I was really naive because that wasn't
the case and I just remember being in those classes and learning about different Bible
stories and going through Old Testament survey, New Testament survey and I was still reading
through the Bible for the first time so a lot of these stories were very much new to
me and so I was kind of blown away by a lot of things that I was hearing just the Old
Testament stories and the different books and different characters of the Old Testament
and I remember I would express that to my colleagues and just kind of want to talk about
those stories after class and just be like, "Wow, Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale."
And I distinctly remember that particular story that I was really blown away with that
because I never really heard about that and they were just kind of like, "Yeah, I've
already heard that story before and yeah, yeah, whatever," and they were just kind
of lax about the Bible and indifferent towards the things of God.
And after a couple of months, I started realizing that everyone who was there wasn't really
there for the right reasons.
And so that was basically my first year there.
I sort of realized that not everyone wanted to be a pastor or missionary or be involved
in full-time Christian service.
They were just kind of there because their mom sent them there, their dad sent them there,
or that was just a thing to do after high school is you just go to Bible college.
But you know, I had a rude awakening when I went for sure.
Now, of course, you know, the whole episode is to kind of talk about some of the problems
with Bible college.
But I assume, you know, there were some good things out of it.
What are some of the things that you feel like from your experience that were pretty
good about it?
Yeah, there is definitely a lot of bad stuff in college, in Bible college.
But there's obviously a lot of good there as well.
And I can't say that I didn't learn any Bible because I did.
And they taught me a lot of just the history of the Bible.
They taught us how to be King James only and they taught us about soul winning.
They had us memorize scripture.
And I think one of the most important things that we learned there was social skills, just
how to work with people, how to work hard, how to just kind of give yourself to the ministry.
And so they taught me a lot of discipline, they gave me a lot of structure.
And that was one thing that I definitely appreciated going to Bible college.
But you know, that's probably the only thing.
Yeah.
Well, it seems like to me, you know, I didn't go to Bible college specifically, I went to
just a regular state university, West Texas A&M University.
And it seemed like to me that you kind of got out of college what you put into it, that
it's a little bit an ability for you to just do whatever you want.
And you know, if you really want to learn a lot, there's no one holding you back, there's
a lot of resources that are available to you.
But at the same time, if you don't really want to learn anything, you're not forced
to at all.
And to me, I guess I almost would think that some of that's similar in Bible college in
the sense that, you know, some students are there reading the Bible a lot, studying, really
paying attention to curriculum, working hard on their assignments and they could, you
know, going soul winning and different activities, working hard on preaching or whatever other
actual curriculars exist.
So you could get a lot out of Bible College, but it's kind of up to you a little bit.
And Bible College is not necessarily going to force you to be like that.
It's more kind of, it's open.
Is that kind of what your experience was?
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, when I was there, I took it very seriously and I did not have the attitude towards Bible
College that I obviously have now.
And so when I was there, I worked really hard and I really believed in that system because
I thought that it was the right type of system for someone who wants to get involved in full-time
Christian service and be a pastor and learn how to preach.
And so I put my heart into it and I studied hard, I read the Bible a lot and I learned
the doctrine, I did my best to pass my exams and to stay accountable and go soul winning
and just do all that.
But again, just in my first year there, I realized that not everyone shared that same
disposition.
There are people in Bible college who didn't have that same attitude, but there are others
who definitely didn't.
The majority, I would say, of students who went to the college that I went to, did not
share that same attitude and they were just kind of there just to please their parents
and they're there to kind of do their year or their two years so they can go out and
just get a regular secular job, which is nothing wrong with that, but just kind of get a secular
job and just move on and just please their parents and so they weren't really in it for
the right reasons I guess you could say.
And the people who graduated from Bible college who are still serving in the ministry in my
opinion survived Bible college or they came out and were successful in the ministry in
spite of Bible college because they went into it with the right disposition and the right
goals and so I don't know if that answered your question.
Yeah that makes sense and kind of what I'm saying you know for me it seems like the resources
to learn and grow spiritually are not insulated in Bible college in so much that you couldn't
have the same growth or positive learning experiences outside of Bible college that
the people that do well are the ones that are putting all the extra effort in anyways
and they could do the same thing apart from Bible college and really where kind of from
my angle or what my perspective is that Bible college is only going to kind of distract from
those things or possibly even put a wet blanket kind of similar to what you've been saying here
when you notice other people not really putting the same effort in, not really caring, not sharing
your same interest. It could kind of be a deterrent or try to limit your zeal. It makes me think of
how two tribes of the children of Israel don't really want to enter in the promised land and
Joshua is really upset with them because he's saying you're going to discourage your brethren.
And so when you don't see everybody coming alongside fighting, having the same zeal,
it can actually discourage the brethren, cause them to not want to study as hard,
not take things as serious. And obviously iron sharpens iron. So when you're around other people
that maybe do something better than you, it could cause you to do even more or work harder.
It can provoke you to try harder than you did before. I know in sports, you know, if you play
with people that are worse than you, you never really get much better. But if you play against
people that are a lot better than you, it actually challenges you to grow, learn how to have more
skill, different skill. And I know that going to Faithful Word and being around people like
Pastor Stephen Anderson and other brethren who are trying to memorize whole sections of the Bible,
going soul winning all the time. That always challenged me to do more, learn more, and to
grow more. And I don't know that I would have had the same feeling if I go to an institution like
you said, Bible College, where the staff or even a lot of the students aren't that interested,
don't care as much, are taking it easy, quote unquote. Yeah. I mean, I was just thinking about
the fact that, you know, going back to that same point, I was really bothered by that. And it kind
of made me disillusioned for a little bit because of the fact that I felt as though those students
that were there, you know, they had a lot of privileges in the sense of, you know, they grew
up in church, their parents are in church, they are very much involved, they've been there for
decades at the church, and they don't want to be there. And I'm just, you know, my parents weren't
in church at the time, and I was basically the only one there. I'm paying my own school bill,
I'm getting myself to Bible College, I'm making sure that I'm kind of holding myself responsible
and accountable for my responsibilities in Bible College. And it seemed as though, like, if it
wasn't for their parents or some other authority that they had, you know, they would be out of
there. Whereas me, I was thinking to myself, you know, I don't really have anybody provoking me to
be here, or to go to college, you know, I'm kind of just motivating myself and trying to be a
self-starter to be here. So it really bothered me when I saw apathy in the Bible College,
because it's like, I'm actually here for the right reasons. And these students don't seem to even
care about the things of God. And, you know, obviously, there were people who did provoke me
to righteousness and to be zealous for the things of God, but there are very far few and in between.
The majority would mock people like us. And if you even brought up a conversation about the Bible,
it would, you know, be looked down upon. If you expressed any desire to just kind of go
above and beyond in soul winning or learning the Bible or memorizing scripture,
you were kind of seen as just kind of like a weird person in the Bible college.
You know, God forbid that you would want to, you know, do a little more soul winning or read the
Bible more in a Bible college. And so, you know, the major theme of Bible college, or should I say
the narrative that people would push, the leaders would push, was that the Bible college students
were the cream of the crop. But then I would hear that from the pulpit. But then when I see the
students, I'm like, you know, I'm not sure. I think there's actually church members that are
more on fire and zealous than the actual Bible college students. You know, men who are married,
who have children, who are serving God and they love winning souls to Christ. I kind of had more
in an affinity with them than I did with a lot of the students in the college. And so, you know,
that was definitely a wake up call for me. Well, you know, interesting, back before I even became
King James only, and I was still going to non-denom church, I actually applied for a seminary,
because same thing. I was told and kind of looked up online and stuff. It seemed like you have to
go to Bible college if you want to go to the ministry, if you want to be on staff at a church
or any of these type of things. And so I enrolled or applied for Denver seminary. And you know,
they're not King James only. And at the time, I don't know that I think I was slowly learning
about that. They did seem to at least on their doctoral statement, say salvation was by faith
alone. And they had a lot of just kind of the cores that's doctrines that seem to be right. But
I remember hearing preaching from Pastor Steven Anderson about how you shouldn't go to Bible
College. It's a waste of time and you should just train at a local church. And a lot of that kind
of resonated with me to where I totally changed and I decided not to pursue seminary. And I
was then trying to be trained in a local church and I ended up joining an old IFB church that
the pastor, I approached him about training me to be a pastor. And he definitely said,
"Well, you should go to Bible College." And I said, "Yeah, I don't know that I want to do that. I
would rather train locally." And he was willing to do it, but he didn't really have a program
and he never really started anything. And so, that's why I ended up just moving to Faithful
Word and training with Pastor Anderson there. But it's kind of a similar, at least, approach
from a lot of people where they just really push Bible College on you. And I know, Brother Ben,
you went to an old IFB church. Was there ever any pressure to go to Bible College? Or is that
something you ever thought of doing? Yeah, I definitely did think about doing it. And
there was the pressure because they would bring in Bible colleges regularly to basically advertise
themselves to the church. And at the time, when I first got saved, I was going to a secular college
and back when I was 23. And the thing is, I did think, wow, it would be so great to go to a college
that's, you know, revolved, or at least supposedly revolves around Scripture, where you can learn
about the Bible, where you can some of the things Pastor Mahee was talking about, memorize
Scripture, learn more about Bible stories, etc.
So it seemed appealing to me at the time, and it wasn't until I heard some of the preaching
that comes from our friends from the new IFB, and also some of the testimonies I've heard
from people who went to Bible college, that I realized I actually didn't miss out on
anything.
Although I felt like I did for a while, I felt like I'd been missing out, I felt like
I would have liked to go do it, but then I quickly realized after hearing the testimonies
of those who went, I didn't miss out on anything.
Yeah, you know, I think that's a lot of people share the same experience.
I know that we have a lot of people in our live stream and we're going to take calls
tonight if we have anybody that wants to share a Bible college story or example.
So if you have like something really crazy that you heard, a doctrine or an experience
you had, we'd like to hear from you, you can call 231-Baptist, we'll try to bring
you on the show for a minute and just get you to share that one experience and we can
talk about it.
I wanted to share one quick thing.
Go ahead.
Pastor Shelley, Pastor Mejia, you guys have mid-week Bible studies where you go through
a chapter of the Bible, expository style, and you do it in great detail.
One thing I heard from a friend of mine who went to an old IFB church is in discussion
with his pastor about his preaching style.
The pastor confided in him and said, "Well, you know what?
I hold things back from a doctrinal perspective and don't necessarily feel like it's appropriate
to preach the meat of the Word, because if people want to attain that, they can go to
Bible college.
They can go to Bible college and get the meat of the Word there."
What a shame.
And that's really, I wanted to get your guys' reaction to that.
I mean, as pastors who do regularly preach the meat of the Word to your congregations,
isn't it a shame that some pastors feel the need to hold back in that area because they
feel like if people want to get that, they have to pay for it and get shipped off to
Bible college.
What's your reaction?
Yeah.
I definitely have heard that multiple times and that was just a common, that was a common
thing back at our old church with our old Bible college.
And that was that if you wanted to get into systematic doctrine, that you would have to
go to a Bible college to get that.
And you know, they want to keep things on the bottom shelf for the congregation.
But if they want to go a little deeper than that, you're going to have to pay to learn
deep doctrine.
And I didn't really understand why at the beginning, you know, there's a lot of things
that I feel like I didn't question initially, because we just kind of all went with that.
And it was just what we what I learned, what I thought, what I was taught.
And so but later on, obviously, when I heard some preaching, especially from Pastor Anderson,
I did begin to question those things.
And I remember thinking a lot of that, like, why is it that we hold back on systematic
doctrine?
And the funny thing is, you mentioned, Brother Ben, that you're at a church where people
would come and advertise the Bible college.
I was actually one of those people, believe it or not, I was on a tour group.
And I was actually a college recruiter.
That was like one of my jobs when I was working at the college there.
And my job was to get recruitments for Bible college.
And in fact, one of my church members, who's my song leader, Brother Marco Sanchez, I actually
recruited him to Bible college.
So he left his church and city and he ended up moving to Long Beach, he became a part
of the Bible college and he ended up going to college there until he was kicked out for
coming to visit our church when we started, back when we were Faithful Word Baptist Church.
But we used to recruit people all the time and I remember going to a particular church
where we were recruiting students and I remember the pastor preaching and he was going verse
by verse on 1st and 2nd Timothy, I think it was in 1st Timothy at the time.
And I remember thinking to myself like, I've never heard anything like this.
I thought this is something you only do in Bible college.
And you know, his was like an unorthodox kind of way of doing it because he was going verse
by verse and he was kind of like asking for answers and so the congregation would like
answer out.
So obviously, you know, we didn't agree with that.
But you know, unfortunately, or should I say fortunately, a lot of the church members knew
the answers to what he was asking regarding systematic doctrine, which shows that he was
teaching his people, you know, and and they were actually taking it in and I remember
coming back feeling a little discontent thinking to myself, you know, why don't we do this
at our church?
And then it was one of those reminders, well, that's what you get in Bible call.
And so and I and I even remember a church member coming up to me and saying like, hey,
you know, I have a full time job, I have a family, I don't think it's fair that, you
know, why do I, why do we have to pay to go learn the book of Hebrews in Bible college?
Why can't we get it in church?
And I honestly didn't even have an answer.
Because I never really thought about that.
But it's true.
I mean, it's it's, in my opinion, obviously, it's wrong, it's wrong to charge to teach
the Bible period, learn the Bible, let alone, you know, just kind of hold back and keep
key doctrines or systematic teachings from the church.
Because that's that's reserved for the cream of the crop, which ends up being a group of
people who don't even want to learn it to begin with.
Well, I don't have any experience as far as actually being in a church where there's this
big discrepancy from what's being taught in the Bible college or at church.
But you just trying to think about it biblically, you know, the Apostle Paul talks about how
he held back nothing.
And in fact, pretty much every epistle kind of says like to be read in the church, like
it doesn't say just for the Bible college students enrolled at the church.
It's like to be read in front of the men, women and children.
So to me, it almost seems unbiblical if you're not going to every single one of these passages
and every single one of these instructions.
To me, the Bible is really clear that we should be teaching everybody the whole counsel of
God and that we shouldn't be holding anything back.
So it really just to me is almost in the face of scripture that people would even do such
a thing.
And, you know, to me though, again, my viewpoint is that Bible college is more about money.
And if you don't have this gimmick of, well, you're only going to get this lesson if you
come to Bible college, then, you know, that might actually entice someone to pay.
Whereas if you say you're going to get all the same instruction, all the same information,
then it kind of is like, well, why do I go?
And it's like, exactly, why would you go?
You know, I didn't go to a Bible college, but I went to just a regular university.
I got a management degree.
And I remember I wanted to change careers at one point and get a software degree.
And I talked to somebody that was in the software industry and he said, oh, don't go to college.
It's a waste of your time.
They won't even teach you how to be a developer.
You're going to use archaic and outdated programming languages.
They're not going to really teach you very much.
You could just learn on the job and get really far ahead.
And I never got a software degree.
I don't have really any training formally as far as software, but I've had a job for
several years.
I've had really high positions.
I've been a senior developer and, you know, never has it even been a question of whether
or not I had a degree or if it mattered.
They don't even care.
But it does seem like in our world and, you know, I'm not you, Pastor Mejia, so I don't
have a Bible college degree.
But a lot of people ask me like, "Well, where did you go to college or where did you get
a seminary degree?" and, you know, I just say like I just trained at a local church.
And I think a lot of people look down on me for being like that.
But I would venture to believe that most of my church knows the Bible better than a lot
of these Bible college students.
So it's kind of, what does it matter?
Do I need letters of commendation or, you know, what did I really miss out on?
I don't know.
But yeah, I agree 100 percent, I mean, the Bible says that, you know, apostles and pastors
and teachers and evangelists are given to us for the perfecting of the saints, for the
work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ.
And then it says that we henceforth be no more children tossed to and fro and carried
about with every wind of doctrine by the sleight of man and cunning craft in this whereby they
lie in wait to deceive.
So what Ephesians four is basically telling us is that if we want to mature in the Lord
and in our knowledge of the Bible so that we're not spiritually children anymore and
become spiritually mature in our understanding of scripture, we need to be in church.
And if we need to be in church that the implication there is that there is a leader there who's
preaching the word of God, who's maturing us through the Bible and through preaching
through the deep things of God.
And so, you know, there's no mention of a college Bible college in, in, in the scriptures
when it, when in reference to teaching God's people or helping them to mature, being an
extension of the ministry, as many people put it when it comes to Bible college.
You know, it says that we were, we were learning these things in church.
And so, and you're right.
I mean, I think of my church members, many of them can run circles around many of the
Bible college students.
I mean, I remember being in college and my first year and kind of going around, I don't
know what it was.
That kind of sparked my curiosity and I started going up to different students, just asking
them, like, why are you a Baptist or why are you a fundamental Baptist, do you know?
And I wasn't doing it, you know, just to kind of like, you know, put them on the spot.
I genuinely wanted to, I wasn't trying to troll them.
I genuinely wanted to know why they thought that they were a Baptist.
And I think it was also because I was trying to figure out why I was a Baptist.
And so probably one out of the 15 students that I asked that question to probably gave
me a solid answer, the other ones couldn't.
And the other ones kind of brushed me off or they're just kind of like, "Why are you
asking that?
That's not important.
You're asking a stupid question," or whatever.
But when I would ask some of the church members, they actually knew, some of the men in the
church actually knew why they were fundamental Baptists.
And so it's crazy to see that contrast there between those who are supposed to be learning
the deep things of God through Bible college and those who are using the God-given institution,
which is the church to learn it.
Yeah.
And, you know, even the church I went to, it seemed like the people didn't even know
why they were King James only, whereas some people in the church were and they knew why,
but it's like that should be taught to the whole church.
Why would you want your church to not be solid on doctrine?
Because that's all reason I believe people should be going to our church is because they're
choosing it, not just because their parents drug them there or tradition or it's five
minutes from their house, but you want people to choose your church.
And you know, that's one thing I love about the church that I get to pastor is that it's
very clear that people coming to my church are choosing to come to my church.
It's not just out of convenience or close to their house or anything like that.
It's rather because they know what they believe and they want to find a church that aligns
with what the Bible says and of course that should be the main motivating factor.
I think that because we have the truth on our side, we shouldn't be afraid of teaching
everybody all the truth because that's what's going to keep them grounded in the faith that's
going to keep them steadfast and doing the first works.
You need a lot of that doctrine to be motivated to do the right things.
Of course, I've heard and there's even way worse Bible colleges out there than the one
you went to.
The one you went to is probably great in comparison to 99% of Bible colleges.
Given where you were going, was there any kind of doctrines or heresies or anything
that you were like, "Whoa, that's not in the Bible."
Was there something that kind of threw you off while you were in the school?
Well, our college like most colleges are dispensational.
They do adhere to, you know, dispensational view, not hyper dispensational but very much
dispensational in the sense that they're pre-trib.
They believe that the Jews are God's chosen people.
So things of that nature.
But as far as discrepancies in regards to salvation, I never heard anything.
They're very much King James only and even the church that I went to was King James only.
And there were a lot of right doctrines at the college.
And honestly, I accredit that to the fact that the college was very much tied into and
overseen by the pastor.
So it's not like the college was like off campus somewhere else run by another leader.
Like the pastor of the church oversaw the college, he was very much involved, he taught
there, he preached there.
And so he kind of kept a short leash on the college there.
And I remember one particular time a pastor was invited or evangelist or something.
You may have heard of him.
I don't know.
I'm not sure if you have, but his name is, they call him Bible Doug.
And he came and he was, he's very, he put himself forth as like King James only.
And he was really big and old IFB type churches, or at least he was making a big splash at that
time.
And he's King James only.
So obviously he came under the guise of being King James only.
So we liked them and we thought, you know, have them come and teach, you know, a couple
hours of just the Bible or just different things.
But then he started mentioning some things, you know, he was teaching through the gospels
and he started implying that people were saved differently in different dispensations.
And we're, I remember my reaction was like, whoa, and my pastor never really had got,
he never got up and preached against dispensationalism or hyper-dispensationalism.
But he did teach the right way of salvation and the fact that it was always the same.
So by default, I knew that whatever this guy was saying was just wrong.
And I remember like, I raised my hand and I'm like, are you saying that people were
saved differently throughout the ages?
Because we believed in ages at that time, obviously, because we were pre-trib.
And he's just like, well, I'm just saying I believe the Bible.
And I'm thinking to myself, well, then you're implying that, you know, you do believe that.
So I was kind of floored when he said that.
And I had a good relationship with my pastor and he always kind of kept the office door
open for me if I wanted to talk to him.
And I went to go talk to him and I said, hey, this guy's saying that you can be saved
differently throughout different ages.
And I don't know if that's biblical.
I don't think that's biblical.
That doesn't sound right.
He's saying people are saved by the sacrifices and the Old Testament.
And then my pastor was like, whoa, well, this is the last time he's ever going to come.
And he's like, that's called hyper dispensationalism.
And he said, we're dispensationalist, but we're not hyper dispensationalism because
hyper dispensationalists have, they teach a false doctrine that people are saved differently.
And so I really, my respect for my pastor grew even more because of it, because he just
said he's never coming back.
We're not going to sell his books.
You know, they had a bookstore and he's like, we're not going to sell his books.
He's never coming back.
And he even canceled the future engagement with another pastor because he ended up finding
out that that guy was a hyper dispensationalist as well.
So as far as those types of discrepancies, you know, we didn't have anything that crazy
during my pastor's time there.
But when he got sick and he was no longer the pastor there, there were different individuals
that came and were teaching false doctrine.
They particularly, I remember in one instance I was just going over this one of my church
members earlier this week that they had a missionary who was a missionary in Africa
for like 30, 40 years or something.
And he was like 130 years old or something like that, you know, some crazy age.
But this guy was not King James only.
He was major Zionist and he taught some really weird doctrines.
And I remember they hired him to teach a class on missions.
But the entire class ended up being a class on Zionism.
So he never even went through what he did on the mission field or the worst that he
did.
He spent the majority of the time talking about why the Jews were God's chosen people
and why replacement theology is wrong.
And so, you know, a lot of that started coming in.
And I remember some of the students just kind of being like, this is kind of weird, you
know.
Did he even go to Israel?
I mean, probably not.
I mean, if you're a missionary to Israel, maybe that makes sense.
I don't even know.
He was big on it though, like, and one thing that kind of freaked me out was the fact that
he said he was using the King James and he was like, but I prefer, and he said some other
version.
And I was like, what?
You know what I mean?
And I couldn't believe the words that were coming out of his mouth.
And I remember thinking to myself, like, this is not good.
Why are we having this guy teach here if he doesn't even believe in the King James Bible?
But things like that were tolerated, unfortunately.
And they were permitted.
They were tolerated.
They were not corrected.
And little by little you can see that the college was going south doctrinally later
on because of the fact that when you tolerate things like that, they're not corrected, then
it just gives way for more false doctrine.
And then we have students who are coming from different churches who were not King James
only.
They were using a new King James.
And I remember one particular instance where the teacher was having the students read a
passage.
He was teaching, I don't know, a particular passage and he was reading out of that passage.
He called on this particular student and it just sounded weird.
And the teacher stopped him and was just like, "All right, we're moving on to someone else."
And he kind of picked someone else.
And it was just like, the guy's reading out of a new King James Bible.
Can we talk to him about this?
And he was permitted to stay for a while, and eventually they talked to him, and he
ended up getting a King James.
But it wasn't by conviction, just because he was at the Bible college where they required
a King James Bible.
And so I saw a lot of that stuff, and when I was there, that wasn't really a common
thing.
But later on, definitely, the college, I would say, began to take a soft stance on King James
onlyism, soul winning, things of that nature.
That's a shame.
You had mentioned earlier about one of your church members who kind of got thrown out
of the college, I guess, for attending your church.
So do you have, I feel like you and I've talked about this in the past, but you've had some
experiences where Bible colleges are kind of disavowing the quote, new IFB or Pastor
Bruce Mejia is so scary.
You don't want to rub shoulders with this guy.
What kind of experiences have you had where Bible colleges are basically just swearing
off the new IFB saying have nothing to do with them or we'll kick you out or what can
you share on that?
Well, before I say anything about that, let me just say is that there's a lot of Bible
college students that actually like the new IFB and I'm just not talking about my old
college, but there's other colleges where they have new IFB listeners.
I would say it's probably the students that are there for the right reasons in the sense
of they want to learn the Bible, they want to get involved in full-time Christian service
and they love the truth.
And we're in the age of the internet, we're YouTube and all these things and so they hear
about something and then they tune into the preaching and I've had many students who go
to Bible college tell me that they listen to my sermons even though they're in a North
Valley Baptist or Golden State Baptist College, West Coast Baptist College, that there's
people that listen to the new IFB.
But it's obviously not the students that are against this, it's the leaders.
The leaders don't like the students to be exposed to this type of preaching because
it messes with their money.
Because then they could potentially get out, they might hear a sermon on how Bible college
is worthless and they might leave Bible college and actually get into a leather long Bible
believing King James only soul winning church and get training there.
But as of recently, I haven't really heard much as far as colleges speaking out against
the new IFB.
When I was a Bible college teacher, I heard a lot of it and mainly it was obviously against
Pastor Anderson and there's meetings at the college where the leader would get up and
say this is not a Steven Anderson church.
This is not a new IFB college.
This is not a Steven Anderson college.
We do not believe the same.
And so stop spreading that nonsense and they would just rip on the new IFB in that way.
And they obviously felt threatened by Pastor Anderson.
They felt threatened by the new IFB and I think it's because of the fact that young
people were gravitating towards new IFB preaching and so they feared that they would become
radicalized or something and start believing the Jews are not God's chosen people and start
hating sodomites and just become these overly zealous type Christians and end up stirring
the pot at the college.
And so that was really big when I was there and I just remember multiple meetings and
staff meetings where they would go over that and just kind of just do a lot of damage control
where they're just like, don't listen to them.
You can't listen to this preaching.
You can't do this.
You don't go.
And, you know, obviously that's one of the reasons that I was like, Oh, it's because
of that.
And so the guy who got kicked out of my, out of the college there, you know, he, it was,
he came to faith award Baptist church, Los Angeles, when pastor Anderson was preaching,
he wanted to come here and preach and he came and he posted on his Instagram, a picture
of pastor Anderson and soon thereafter the like, you got to go.
So they booted him out and I just, I don't know, I don't remember what it was.
I don't know if it was like a Sunday night or a Thursday night, I was like preaching
and he just comes walking into the church and you know, later on we're like, Hey, what's
going on?
He's just like, I got kicked out, you know, it was just, I, they didn't, they're not,
they kicked me out for coming to this church and so, you know, we, we all high fived him
and congratulated him.
That's probably the best thing that ever happened to him.
Yeah, yeah, cause he ended up, I mean, he ended up being here and he's, now he's married,
he has a son, he has a family, he's involved here, I mean.
I'm sure he's learned a lot more, he can enjoy the Bible more.
I mean, I can see why they're threatened.
I mean, if I lived in LA and I had a Bible college, I would be afraid of anybody learning
about Pastor Mejia cause go learn way more from him, way cooler church.
I mean, they got the merch too.
I mean, you know, that's the one thing about college they have the merch, but Pastor Mejia
has cooler merch.
So you know, you got to go to First Works Baptist Church if you're anywhere near LA.
Ben, did you have anybody demonize the new IFB to you while you're going to church or
interested in Bible college or anything?
Do you have any experience like that?
Yeah, absolutely.
Even in Jacksonville, Florida at an old IFB church, pastors by somebody who now by the
way has decided to advance and progress away from the King James Bibles, no longer King
James only.
That's a whole different topic.
Who?
Oh, wait, wait.
Okay.
I thought you were talking about Adam Fannin.
No, he's a loser.
Yeah.
That's a totally different story there, too.
Correct.
He should go to Bible college.
Yeah, I agree with that.
But no, I had people come up to me and just be like, "Hey, have you heard of this preacher
from Arizona?
He's a really extreme guy and he says that sodomites should receive capital punishment
and he's super extreme.
I think his name is Anderson something.
So people would come up to me with that kind of rhetoric and I witnessed church leadership
just attack Pastor Anderson mercilessly.
Oh, if this guy were in our church, we'd kick him out and I hate him.
He's a complete just loser.
They would attack him, like I said, showing no mercy whatsoever.
And here's the thing, as a naive baby Christian, I'm walking in here and I'm thinking, oh,
this is an independent fundamental Baptist church.
I bet they're all like Faithful Word, they're all friends, they all like Pastor Anderson.
So I walk in and a few weeks later, when I found out how much they hated him, my stomach
kind of sunk because I was like, oh man, that's such a bummer because I kind of, I mean, I
liked other aspects of the church, but yeah, the leadership and other church members would
confided me, quote unquote, that Pastor Anderson was a really horrible guy. And so they were,
of course, very upset with me when I left to go to steadfast.
Well, you know, when it looks, when we look at Bible college as a whole, you know, there's
definitely kind of a King James only independent final Baptist realm where there's some Bible
colleges and things like that. But as a whole, most of them are not King James only, most
of them are not Baptist even necessarily, a lot of crazy things are going on in these
places. And you would think that those would be the most liberal, but even amongst independent
final Baptist, it seems like they're going crazy too. And I want to play a clip of John
Getch. And it's something that I had made a long time ago, but it's he's, I believe
the president of West Coast Baptist College. And that church there is Lancaster Baptist
Church, a pastor by Paul Chapel and John Getch. You can go on YouTube right now and find the
sermon on their YouTube channel that we're going to play a clip from. So it's not like
this guy is recanted or changes opinion, but the guy has just become crazy. I mean, not
even just like liberal, like extreme. And I don't understand exactly the motivation
here. I think that some of these individuals are just feeling the pressure to increase
enrollment or to appease certain people. And so maybe they just, money is just too big
of a factor and they just kind of accept some liberal stuff. But I also wonder if some of
these people are just wicked. Some of them are just super evil. From your perspective,
Pastor Mejia, I know that you're pretty close over there to Lancaster Baptist Church. Do
you think these guys are just coming from a wicked element or do you think it's just
a lot of pressure to kind of maintain the status quo and keep enrolling up and just
kind of get the money flowing?
I think it's both. We would go to Lancaster Baptist Church every year for their fine arts
competition and we met a lot of their leaders and kind of fellowship with their students.
And I feel like I met both types where there was just really these watered-down, soft-soaked
type of Christians who were believers, but they just kind of took a soft stance on a
lot of the controversial issues of the day. But then you'd have these other individuals
who are just like, "I don't know about this person. Red flags. They teach a repent of
your sins type gospel. They don't seem very sincere. They just seem like they're really
bad people." You get the false prophet vibe from them. When you have a church that big
and a college that big, a lot of infiltrators can easily make their way within that institution
because of the fact that the leaders who are saved and the leaders who believe the Bible,
they're still taking a soft stance. They often tolerate it and allow that stuff into the
church and they won't fight against it. In my experience, when it comes to these colleges
like Golden State and West Coast Baptist Colleges, you have a mixture of both. Unfortunately,
the saved are often the ones who defend the wicked ones, as seen with Mike Zachary for
example.
Yeah. Well, we're about to switch over to a rumble-only stream. I just wanted to prepare
you guys. We're going to play a clip here. Unfortunately, it's got a little bit of YouTube
censorship, but once we get off of YouTube, we'll be able to say whatever we want. As
the topic will get a little bit spicier, it's probably very much needed. I want to play
this quick clip, and we'll talk about it for a second, but we're going to be switching
over to rumble. I'll put the link in the description as well, but let's go ahead and play the clip.
Every human being, regardless of their ethnic background, their education, their financial
status, their religious beliefs, and sexual orientation, deserves to be treated with respect
and dignity. Let me say it again. Every person on this planet, regardless of their sexual
orientation, deserves respect and dignity. And it has this guy, John Getch, okay, independent
fundamental Baptist, and here's what he said. He said, "Every person on this earth deserves
respect and dignity, regardless of their sexual orientation." This is in a Baptist church in the
house of God. Can someone just be afraid? I'm not just going to strike them. It's wonderful.
Anyone can be that bold. I mean, do you not even believe God exists, John Getch? Can you stand up
behind your pulpit as a man of God and not think God's going to strike you dead to stand up and
talk about people's sexual orientation? You f*ck it! You're a death! Some respect! To God! Talked about, talked about!
Why is he so soft and interested in defending f*ckers and f*cking idiot and bashing the f*ckers.
Clip that I made a little while ago and we kind of lost our YouTube channel anyways. But yeah,
we're going to be going to rumble here just in a few minutes so we can talk about this a little
bit more in detail. But isn't that just insane? Pastor Mejia to see, I mean, this isn't like
a liberal university. This is a fundamental Baptist university or Bible college president
and at a fundamental Baptist church preaching this kind of stuff. I mean, I know you're aware
of this clip, but I mean, what in the world? Yeah. I mean, the guy is a complete false prophet. The
guy is a complete fag loving idiot because of the fact that, you know, any Baptist preacher,
evangelist who gets up and says something like that, obviously, you know, Pastor Anderson was
saying, how can you be so bold? It's because of the fact that the guy's not even saved. The guy,
obviously, sincerely feels this way about sodomites. And so, you know, I just don't know
that like a safe person can just get up and say something like, you know what I mean? Right. And
obviously, John Getz is not saved because he teaches a repentant or sins gospel. But you know,
that definitely is the icing on the cake when it comes to that. You can see that the guy is
obviously, he obviously disregards the Bible, does not respect, he respects people more than he
respects the word of God. He respects people's sexual orientation more than he respects
Leviticus 2013. And so the guy's a complete joke and I hope he dies soon. Well, tell us how you
really feel. We need to play the uncensored clip. So you guys have less than 60 seconds. We got like
90 people watching on YouTube. You're gonna have to make an exodus if you want to follow the show.
And I think you can catch it on Facebook as well, but Rumble out there, GodResource,
you should be able to check the show. We're going to be moving over there. And also you can call
231-BABDIS if you have a testimony about a weird experience or something you heard in Bible College.
We'd be willing to ring you on the show to hear that. But we're going to drop off here
and we're going to let YouTube go to hell. We did a diagnosis and we realized they have AIDS and
unfortunately there's just no going back. It's an incurable disease and so we're just going to
basically have to say bye to YouTube. You know what? YouTube just go to hell. All right. So now
we can actually begin the show now that we don't have Jews controlling us what to do anymore.
I do want to play that clip if our production crew can get that one teed up for us so we
don't have to have the stupid YouTube censorship over there but I really want to believe that
West Coast students watching Pastor Anderson almost just like melt when they watch him
just because it's probably so extreme to what they're used to. I mean did you ever run into
somebody that was just it almost seemed like they just kind of had melted or were just so
easily offended by new IP preaching? Is this something that you kind of experienced?
Honestly I've only run into students who really like it and even when I was in I remember being
in our old Bible college when I was a teacher there there's a guy there who he was from a
different church and he loved Pastor Anderson's sermons on fags so much that he used it as a
ringtone and he I think he used one of Pastor Anderson's rants where he's just going off on
fags and he just used that as a ringtone for when like he had to wake up or something like that
because he loved it so much and a lot of them will secretly watch it in their dorms you know it's
just like they're not watching porn they're watching Pastor Anderson so like someone walks
into the dorms they're like they're like closer to their laptop really quick you know what I mean
but um they're almost like saying the opposite they're like oh it was just something I shouldn't
have been looking at it's actually porn they're like it's actually porn you know well yeah it's
not pastor anderson though it's sad but if it was if it was that smut they'd probably get less heat
for it than if they were watching new ifb preaching right yeah it seems like it at least i don't know
yeah for sure obviously the students out there that are just I remember when when I was booted
out of our uh out of the church and uh the students some of the students were like going
around just kind of railing on me and saying he's a hate preacher now and I can't believe some of
the things that he's saying he's against gay people or whatever and you know but there's other
students there who kind of defended me they're just like well I mean doesn't the bible say that
like you know doesn't Leviticus 2013 say that and I was just like they were it was just kind of like
they were kind of appalled at the fact that these students were so against what we're saying because
they thought that that's what we're supposed to believe so I feel like though the the general
consensus amongst students is that they like new infp preaching they really do but they understand
the the controversy that surrounds it and so they kind of keep quiet and they they're kind
of like closet listeners I mean when we're in Los Angeles we had a lot of Bible college students
visit our church and you know even even from churches of the pastor that I preached against
by name like I called out their pastor by name I preach against their church by name and they
would come visit our church you know and they knew that I was against you know their college and
their pastor because of false doctrine or whatever because they're pedophile loving idiots or whatever
and they're just kind of like they just snuck away you know to come be a part of one of the
services. Well you know you're probably right because it's probably only like the faculty
or something that get that offended at the preaching. I'm sure the people actually want
that. They're probably dying inside to hear it and so we're going to give it to them. Here is the
unedited, the raw version of the sodomite deception on Rumble. Let's go ahead and play it.
Dial is a part of the culture we live in. There's no place for a crude or vile attitude toward those
living in this sin. No place. There's no place for it in a pulpit. There's no place for it in the pew.
There's no place for us to degrade a lifestyle. Every person on this planet, regardless of their
sexual orientation, deserves respect and dignity. And it has this guy, John Getch, okay? Independent
fundamental Baptist. And here's what he said. He said, "Every person on this earth deserves
respect and dignity, regardless of their sexual orientation." This is in a Baptist church in the
house of God. How could someone just not be afraid that God is not just going to strike them with a
thunderbolt? How could anyone be that bold? I mean, do you not even believe God exists, John Getch?
How in the hell can you stand up behind your pulpit as a man of God and not think God's going
to strike you dead to stand up and talk about people's sexual orientation? You faggot! You're
wicked how can you get behind the sacred desk have some respect for the house of
God for God's word for God's pulpit this book doesn't talk about a sexual
orientation it talks about sodomites filthy dogs vile brood beast damnation
and hell what it talks about you faggot well how dare you call him a faggot well
you know what faggot faggot faggot because you know what if he's not a
faggot then why is he so soft and interested in defending fags yeah
fag loving idiot at best he's a faggot at worst are you I just loved the last
part we had to include that in there oh man probably the best part or at least
one of my favorite parts of the sodomite deception right there and one of the
greatest rants that pastor Anderson has ever gone on before well it's very much
needed after having listened to just that nonsense and I mean think about the
extremity of how that could be applied what he's saying are we gonna truly say
that we have to have respect for a pedophile for someone that's a
beast of file I mean what one of these people that protests us they claim
they're in this like try like a polyamorous relationship where it's like
three or four people I mean what if you had three people coming into your church
claiming they're all married to each other claiming that they also are in
relationship with an animal and children and you have to according to him you have
to give them respect and dignity I mean what this is so anti-biblical it's hard
to believe the guy saved and of course I don't believe he saved at all because in
the same sermon he taught you have to repent of your sins to be saved so it's
very clear the guy is wicked evil but this is coming into a giant fundamental
Baptist College I mean West Coast has got to be one of the largest Baptist
colleges in America at least of the fundamental stripe and I know tons of
people I mean when I went to independent fundamental Baptist churches they're
pushing West Coast Baptist College they love Paul Chappell's materials and his
books and I don't really even know what to think about Paul Chappell
specifically I mean I don't know if he's just totally sold out and he's just
allowing this kind of garbage to go on or if he's really bad himself I mean do
you have any kind of idea do you have an opinion on Paul Chappell himself yeah I
kind of go back and forth when it comes to him only because of the fact that you
know in times past he preached the right gospel and in times past he
actually preached hard believe it or not there was times when he was preaching
from the pulpit talking about women looking like sluts and you know just
kind of hard preaching and of course he doesn't preach like that anymore and so
you kind of wonder you know are you is this guy really saved because he seems
to only surround himself with a lot of wicked people so why are wicked people
always attracted to be under your leadership why do you lead all these
evil people who are preaching false doctrine and the false gospel and
catering to fags and homos and and you know spewing out this kind of nonsense
and you're okay with it and so you know I go back and forth on it you know if I
were to surmise whether he saved or not I probably say he's probably not
saved only because of the fact that it just you know a saved person would be
grieved at it even if they took like a soft stance on it they would be grieved
at a statement like that you know I mean they maybe they get up and say you
know I don't agree with Brother Getch on everything but a lot of what he
said was true or you know just someone apologized for what he said if he's
saved but he seems to agree with what he's saying he put him he's the one who
put him up there to preach that crap and so you kind of wonder you know is this
guy enjoying this type of preaching he's in agreement with that type of preaching
you know I don't know I mean the guy seems to be really greedy a filthy
lucre too. It seems people that have gone there are saved like some of them I'm
not saying all of them but it seems like there's been some good people and some
people that have been saved that have gone there and I've read through his
discipleship book because my pastor made me disciple someone I had gotten saved
and brought into church to like go through a Paul Chapel disciple book
discipleship book and everything that he had in the book was really sound as far
as what was on paper it I mean I don't know it to me I almost lean towards these
may be saved just just because the church seems like it it was good in the
past and it kind of was built up from maybe some good roots but it's almost
maybe like the kings of Judah where they ended up partnering with the kings of
Israel or making really bad relationships or jihosh if that comes
to just kind of going really bad or obviously making some horrible
decisions he's loving the ungodly and he's helping the ungodly and loving
those who hate the Lord yeah and so I feel like he has this testimony where if
he is saved he's doing a really bad job showing you you know and I mean he's not
providing a good amount of evidence for us to see you know the Bible says you
are epistles written our hearts known and read of all men his epistles all
bag it loving stuff you know it's just like is there a shred of evidence and so
you know and and I've seen his material and I know his material in the past was
good I've seen some of his recent material within the last couple of years
and you know it just the salvation message seems a little convoluted it
doesn't seem very clear very watered down so you just kind of wonder and he's
a very wealthy man I will say that the guy owns like you know five houses and
all types of cars so you just you just kind of wonder you know he's not a man
who's necessarily about five houses oh yeah oh yeah would you have five like in
the same area or just like all over I don't know where he where they're
located exactly well this issue we added to West Coast Baptist College because
you also have this university I pulled up on my computer Abilene Christian
University says Abilene Abilene Christian University take two says we
affirm the dignity and worth of every person is created in God's image ACU
affirms the full humanity and dignity of all human beings regardless of their
sexual orientation or gender identity we recognize that there are individuals
who identify as LGBTQ or who experience same-sex attraction within our community
we strive to love and welcome all individuals if you want to go to Bible
College this is the fag loving garbage you're gonna have to deal with these
bunch of sodomite sympathizers and you know what Pastor Mejia referenced the
verse I'll go ahead and appeal to that as well
2nd Chronicles 19 2 says shouldest thou help the ungodly and love them that hate
the Lord therefore is wrath upon thee from the before the Lord and these
people ought to be shaking in their boots afraid of God's wrath coming upon
them for trying to bend over backwards for the scummiest most disgusting
perverted predators on the face of the planet well you know what these colleges
do have faculty that are sodomites - yeah sodomites their pedophiles I mean
Golden State you know has had a history with that with Mike Zachary and all
that and so what happened there didn't he wasn't he had another university or
something so he initially started at Golden State Baptist College under Jack
Trever and he was the music guy there well he was one of the music guys there
he was the pianist there but he basically oversaw that ministry and but
the guy was a faggot the guy's a pedophile and he ended up getting
discovered you know and then getting discovered that he was committing that
with one of the students and so he was removed from his office there but then
he relocated they basically transferred him over to West Coast Baptist College
and you know Paul Chappell and Jack Trever they're just kind of going back
and forth regarding Mike Zachary and now I mean the last I heard he's like in
Lemon Grove near San Diego serving under I can't remember the guy's name but he
it's a Baptist Church and he teaches like a couples class or something like
that but yeah I mean the guy was there for years on end in working with the
Bible College students I mean this is a really bad fruit of not believing in the
reprobate doctrine that you would just pass these sodomites and predators all
around well we have a caller actually in fact David from San Antonio and I believe
he wanted to share with us something about the sodomite deception as well
David can you hear us hello hello yeah how's it going David can hear us yes I
can hear you Patrick really hello hey thanks hello to you brother Ben and
brother Bruce or as I like to call him by his actual first name as a model
then seen well yeah the only time I call him that is when he insults Texas or
what a burger and just little if you're hearing me brother Bruce in and out is
still spit it out oh man obviously we're getting spicy you must be a Bible call
hey you must be the subject like which I was watching the podcast right now it's
true what you're saying about like I didn't even know I never thought it was
impossible for Paul Chapel to be a hard preacher even though you said he was
like decades ago but it's true a lot of these Bible colleges are like they're
filled with a bunch of sympathizers these fags and and pedophiles like it's
disgusting and all like every time I see someone wears like a rainbow like in
sitting on them I just want to puke or just get out of there like the plague is
in town well they're contributing to the destruction of America it's that kind of
limp-wristed spineless preaching and teaching that's contributing to the
destruction of this nation no but I have a lot of friends who were in Bible
College and I've met like people who listen to pastor Anderson even from
Howells Anderson because I have because I talked to another brother who's who
watches us our brother Eddie Vegas and they're like he sees a lot of stuff like
he knows some a few people who actually watched the NISP but I heard John
Francis is like a real big-time anti-NISP and they don't want to get
expelled so they have to keep it like under like keep a lid on it but like I
talked to my friends like probably the only like two Bible colleges that
actually preach doctrine and actually go soul winning is First Baptist of
Hammonen and Emmanuel Baptist in Longview with Bob Gray because like Jack
Treber like nope nope he actually the only good one who actually
preaches hard at his church is what's his name uh Sloan David Sloan he's the
actually the only one who's actually sound and doctrine who actually just
preaches hard in fact he comes from a line of preachers he's like a third
generation preacher his grandfather was uh what's his name uh LH Ashcraft the
father of veteran missionary Tommy Ashcraft which is like a well-known
missionary family in Mexico but but overall the and the only good one who's
at like even who actually is even good at Lancaster is what his name uh Jerry
what's his name the Spanish pastor what's his name Jerry Collins he's the
one who actually preaches hard there but a lot of these colleges if they have one
bad seed it's gonna affect everybody including this liver-bristed crap that
that they don't that they are yeah I mean the Bible does say a little leaven
limit the whole lump what is the like do you have you been to any of these
churches or anything like that is there is there a crazy thing that you've
heard yeah I've actually have visited Longview because I help I help
supervise the teams for the annual Longview convention well a team
conference and I I have personally actually visited a First Baptist Church
of Hammond during a big conference that they usually have at the end of February
I have there any was there anything there the herd like why don't you give
us one testimony if there was something weird that you saw or a weird doctrine
yeah well brother Bob Gray he's very salmon doctrine but I usually check out
Jack Treiber the website it will his YouTube and sometimes like sometimes
they're not even preaching doctrine at all like it's just all these
storytellings and all like sure they'll throw a good amount of verses there but
still it sounds like their music even sometimes when they're singing they
don't seem like real men when the men actually do sing like you could just
tell like like like the Holy Spirit's nudging you to get out and I and
sometimes they do bring in these these preachers like can't remember one what's
his name I can't remember his name but he was preaching repenting your sins the
repenting your sins thing you know like no no no no no no no no I just have to
shut it off well we appreciate you calling in brother David and and
listening you know we want to make sure that everybody has the right perspective
when it comes to you know the Bible college issues and what's going on did
you have any last one last thought for us I think we I think he cut out his
mic was a little scuffled there but you know I've never heard of the David Sloan
guy or the Jerry I think he mentioned Collins I believe from West Coast is
that somebody you've heard of Pastor Mejia? I've heard of the first guy his
name's Fleming right now but brother Sloan he was a missionary and I haven't
really heard too much of his preaching the only thing that I know about him is
he's a major major major Zionist and he's most of his messages that that or
his books and material that he writes are about Israel and supporting Israel
but I don't know too much about him and I don't know anything about I've never
even heard of people preaching hard at Lancaster Baptist Church I don't know if
that exists out there I don't know if they know how to preach I don't even
know if they know what preaching is there so something else that I think is
worth mentioning is that single men going to local independent fundamental
Baptist churches are walking in and they're not seeing a lot of women right
and what I've heard is one of the reasons for that is a lot of the single
women are being shipped off to Bible colleges and in fact all the young
people are being shipped off to Bible colleges and not getting sound doctrinal
preaching from the church but specifically when it comes to getting
married right marriage and singles looking for spouses and things like that
has it gotten to the point where a lot of them have to go to Bible college to
find a spouse because they've all been shipped off there by their parents yeah
I mean it's funny that you mentioned the fact that you know all these young
people go to the Bible college because of the fact that a lot of these churches
and Bible colleges call the new IFB like sheep stealers they claim that we're
stealing people's sheep and you know bringing them to our church and leaving
their church but Bible college I don't even believe in sheep stealing but if
that was a real concept they're probably the most guilty of doing that because
they literally go to different churches where they take the youth the real the
the the group of people in the church that can do most of the work and you
know they go to these colleges and most of the time and I mean most of the time
they don't come back they end up either staying there becoming members of the
church they're working full-time staff there because if you have a really good
student you know what I mean who wants to serve the faculty the pastor or the
president wants to make sure that person stays there because they're a producer
and so a lot of the times that these students they go to these colleges and
they end up staying there for the rest of their lives and the pastor
unfortunately of the church that where they came from is looking forward to them
getting trained getting taught and then coming back a full-fledged full-time
Christian worker but they don't get that you know they end up feeding into this
monster this Bible college industrial complex where it's just like you send
all your young people there and they just this black hole where they just
never come back. Why are girls even going to these but like what are they going to do? I think they're going to get married but the problem is is there's not a lot of real men at these colleges. Skinny-jean men. A lot of the guys that are in my mind that are really zealous or strong-willed or have a lot of masculinity have kind of rejected a lot of the soft preaching and they're just kind of like out of college or they're out of church in a lot of ways it seems like.
And they need like a fundamental Baptist Church to relate to. I know that we have
another caller here I want to get to him real quick who actually has a story
about Bible College. I think we have Gage from Louisiana he has a story about
Bible College class. Can you hear us Gage? Do we have Gage on the line still?
Gage speak now. I can hear you. There he is. I can't hear anyone else. Okay well I can hear you Gage why don't you go ahead and
tell us about your Bible class that you experienced that you had. Yeah so I went
go visit a friend of mine and he lives in Mississippi. He goes to a William Carey
University. I knew it was a Christian college and I kind of knew what to expect
you know just going to visit him but he invited me to go see one of his
Old Testament classes in the morning so I went you know just to be polite and
all and then man as soon as I got there it was like it felt like I was in almost
like a Southern Baptist just buzzword just mumble mouth vomit class you know
they weren't really getting into any kind of doctrine he was just saying very
vague things and then then he started talking about some weird things like he
said uh at one point he said like you get saved at one point in your life and
then you keep on working for that salvation you're not really saved until
you die and get to heaven and that sounded weird right off rip and then
another point he said was uh he was like nobody should call themselves a friend of
Jesus or a friend of God because that's blasphemous and you don't want put
yourself on equal grounds with God which sounds pretty stupid to me because in
James 2 23 it says and the scripture was fulfilled which says Abraham believed
God and it was imputed onto him for righteousness and he was called the
friend of God so pretty much like in these classes you know it's just you're
not even I will hear from like a sermon from like pastor Anderson or pastor
Brispia or like any you know NISB pastor and they'll actually get more
into the Bible than these like just mouth vomit, buzzword, vague preaching, Bible
college classes, whatever. Did they even bring up any Bible verses? They did but it was like
there were like three or four and it was all ESV you know. What was the what was
the name of the school again? William Carey University. William Carey is it
even are they like King James only or Baptist or is it just kind of generic?
It's a generic. It called me off guard because I met this guy from a Baptist
church we used to both go to. He stayed within the Southern Baptist Convention. I
started going to an IFD church. So I'm thinking oh this is at least a Baptist
college you know and by no means is it at all. It's pretty ecumenical over there as soon as I
started showing up. You know they had like idols and statues of like Mary there and then they
had like a bunch of like Pentecostal professors and anything goes. That's crazy. Well thanks so
much for sharing our story or sharing your story Gage and thanks for calling in. We also have
another caller that wants to give us a little bit information about his experience and really
you know a lot of these Bible colleges we have to understand if you want to get an actual
doctorate you usually can't go to an independent fundamental Baptist Bible college you have to go
to an actual university or a seminary and that's how you actually get one of these doctrinal
theses that you have to go through and you get a master of divinity and and that's really what a
lot of the Southern Baptist push and you'll notice that some of these independent Baptist
preachers will go to the same college with these Southern Baptist or even just as I call them
non-evangelicals and they basically just have to go there to get the master's degree so they can
impress everybody because they're a doctor and now they're a doctor of the law you know and of
course the Bible doesn't really have any positive things to say about a doctor but that's uh for
another discussion or master of Israel yeah master you're a master of Israel no it's not these things
well let's let's bring on Sam Hale from New York he wants to talk about Bible College as well
and some hey pastor Shelley real quick what's the number to call in someone's asking me 2 3 1
Baptist 2 3 1 Baptist and you can share your story let's see if we can bring on Sam Sam can
you hear us I can hear you can you hear me loud and clear thanks for joining us yeah I'm from
Buffalo New York but I've been following everything going on in Texas appreciate your
boldness brother it really is a is an example and it's impressive thanks for the encouragement
the um so one of the one of the beefs I've always had with Bible College we send these young boys
out six oh 17 18 years old they don't they don't have a wife they don't have children
but they're already training to be a pastor we do this to boys all the time we say he's going to
grow up and be a pastor one day we don't know if the Lord's going to give him children we don't
know if he's ever going to be qualified and now we're not only sending him off but we're spending
maybe a hundred thousand dollars to get him something that we don't ever know he's going to
be qualified yeah and i think that's how we get a that's how we get a novice that's lifted up in
pride and we get someone the other thing is you get these young boys we don't even know if they've
read the bible all the way through and now we're going to spend a hundred grand on a christian
education and that's how you get somebody wrapped up in this uh pre-trib rapture or all this other
weird stuff like that that ridiculous stuff john getch was saying because the only people are
going to believe it is a 17 year old pup pup who's never read the whole bible and and is a novice
you know what i mean right no that's a really good point um i see i see a lot of problems with that
and additionally you know a lot of these people are initially put into the youth program
and so a lot of these younger individuals who maybe don't have children or maybe they're
they're recently married they're kind of put into this program where they're with the youth and you
know it's kind of strange about this if you think about a lot of these guys are 19 20 21 years old
and now they have a youth group filled with girls who are 16 17 and 18 that you know they have this
supposed leader or spiritual leader over them and it causes all kinds of problems. I mean how many
university ministers have been caught with their students or in these relationships and I mean you
know if you're a single guy and you're around girls that are not that much younger than you
obviously that's a that's a weird temptation to be putting these young men into. That's why it makes
sense to allow pastors to be married men with children and also not even to divide these groups
and have just the young single girls alone with the pastor, the youth pastor or whatever. But I
agree with you. That was great. Great point Sam. Thanks for the encouragement. Thanks for the call.
We want to we want to get to a few more callers. We got a lot of people that finally finally
people are calling us, you know. That's right. We got a good line going. I want to mention to Sam,
you can find us on Rumble. Steadfast Baptist Church is on Rumble. So make sure you search for
us on Rumble. YouTube decided that we're not allowed to be on there because we actually preach
the Bible. So Steadfast Baptist Church on Rumble to hear more of Pastor Shelley's preaching.
We got a couple callers. I'm going to get to the first one here. Eddie from Chicago. He wants to
talk about some of his Bible college experience as far as connection to the church he was going to.
Let's see if we can bring on Eddie. Eddie, can you hear us? Yes, Pastor. How are you doing?
Doing great. Thanks so much for calling in. Yeah, great. I just want to say, you know,
God bless the new INFP and, you know, God bless you guys with everything you guys have been doing.
Been watching Pastor Anderson since like 2016 and, you know, blessings to Pastor Shelley and
Pastor Mia, your brother Eddie, your Guatemalan guy from Chicago. Oh, I thought that sounded
familiar. It's a fellow trapeze. But I just want to give you guys a quick thing that when I first
started listening to Pastor Anderson and actually the way I kind of like started getting into the
INFP was watching After the Tribulation movie. And at that time, I just started attending Moody
Bible Institute in Chicago. And of course there, I got a full load of pre-trip, repenting your sins,
you know, Zionist movement. And it just didn't really jive. So at the end, when I started,
you know, studying, going along with, you know, what they were trying to teach me, and then
everything that I was learning with the new IFP, you know, obviously didn't make sense.
And I had to make a decision and I just left. And then, you know, I started searching around
for churches in the Chicago land area. It's hard to find, though there aren't really any UNFB
churches in the Chicago land area. So stick to one, stay grounded there or whatever, and keep
following, you know, keep, you know, keep the faith. But an interesting connection there was,
when things come full circle, is that throughout all that, after I left, I made the decision that,
you know, I got to find out through the experience there, that, you know, in the end, college makes
students, the Holy Ghost makes preachers. And at the end, you know, you know, I just kept studying,
keep trying to be a, you know, good blessing to the church. Go out of soul winning, you know,
keep doing what you got to do as a church member. And like I said, the thing where it comes full
circle is, you know, I left a Spanish Baptist church that was Reina Valera in 1960. You know,
me and my family were, you know, Reina Valera Gomez, and there was a battle there. And at one
point, he actually wanted to send me out to the Bible college. And he's like, you know, he wanted
to train me and this and that. And then like, but then the big issue was the Bible, 19, you know,
the Reina Valera 1960. And I just wasn't going to go with it because I was Reina Valera Gomez.
I already studied all the differences and everything. So that, you know, obviously then,
you know, in the front, I was like, where are you going to send me? And he kept talking all this,
you know, like basically like bad mouthing, Kyle Anderson College and first part, you know, first
Baptist church on him in Indiana where everything had gone bad. And it's kind of funny how some
people put their foot in their mouth because, you know, I just let it slide. And then after we had
the issues, they actually, it got to the point so bad as far as the 1960 issue where the church held
a conference and he invited all these pastors. They're like staunch 1960 guys. And I sat there
for like three days, right. And as you know, as a good member, I didn't stand up and make a big
deal, but I let them know the issues after the conference. So I walked away and then we left the
church. We started attending First Baptist Church of Hammon, Indiana, the Spanish ministry, so their
church was Cross Street. And Pastor Gomez was a good man of God and everything. He's a hard
preacher. And one thing I noticed was right away was not Zionism to like an extreme degree, but
it was, you know, the Jews are, you know, we got to give praise to the Jews, this and that. It's
always repenting your sins like every other week, you know, as far as that goes. And then
an interesting connection was I went to a conference there. I sent my son to a teen
conference there at the House Anderson College. And I walked in the second night. And then
who's there? My ex sparse Baptist pastor with the kids from this conference there. And after that
bad mouth the whole, you know, House Anderson College and everything else, he was there, you
know, bringing the kids there. And then they start bringing in these other pastors, guest speakers.
And there's an interesting connection because I didn't think that, you know, this was the actual
connection was there actually have graduates, or I'm sorry, our pastors that there are missionaries
or come preach at First Baptist Church in Indiana. And I think Pastor Mia knows, I think from when I
heard Pastor Mia graduated with John Wilkerson there, or you went to Bible College with him or
something. But anyway, those guys, a lot of the pastors are graduating or they're sending, like
I guess for the guys who don't or don't have access to go to Alexandria College that live too far away,
they're sending their guys to Bodhi Bible Institute. And it's like, you know, they're in
partnership with that. So it's like, we got, you know, the whole thing, like, you know, for me,
in a way, you know, kind of getting full circle, like what is going on? And no wonder, no one of
these pastors today are still with this repenting your sins, the pre-trib, you know, the whole Zionist
thing is just like a repetitive cycle. And it's like, unless you're in the clique, you know what
I mean? Like unless you're in the clique, you're not going to make it. You're not going to be
preaching at any time as a guest speaker at First Baptist Church in Indiana or even in the Spanish
ministry. It's like, unless you're, unless you're going to be fully devoted 100% to their cause,
you're not going to house Anderson College. Oh yeah. I mean, they're not going to. I've never,
I've never heard that. You're not going. That's crazy. Yeah. That is, that is 100% true. If you
don't adhere to those. That's what is important, but like I said, you know, like I said, I don't
think there's, you know, uh, Bible college, you know, has, you know, has its, uh, has its points and, uh,
you know, I'm sure some people got saved through there and all that, but at the end, like I said,
I just found in my own experience that, you know, at the end of the day, you know, Bible college,
you know, makes students as the Holy Ghost that makes preachers. Well, thanks so much for calling
Eddie. That was a great point. Yeah. Um, I want to get a pastor to hear his thoughts on that too.
And, you know, to me it's like Bible college makes queer baits and the Holy Ghost makes
preachers. But, you know, from a practical application that makes sense, because if you
read the qualifications of a bishop from the Bible, that's the Holy Ghost speaking. And so,
of course, you got to meet those requirements to be a legit pastor. That's why, you know,
you have to listen to what the Bible's saying about which kind of men should be leading the
church. A man like Pastor Mejia. Now, I know you had some connections there. You were going
to say something Pastor Mejia. Yeah, I was just thinking because he had mentioned the fact that
once you're a part of that system, you know what I mean? It's hard to get out of it. And it is true
because of the fact that I personally knew someone who he didn't go to Bible college, but he was
within that system of, you know, being a part of these churches that preach these specific doctrines
and being invited to those churches. And he was a good friend of mine. And, you know, he listened
to the new IFB. He was a Spanish pastor. He, you know, began to integrate, you know, the replacement
theology into his preaching, the reprobate doctrine, even the post-trip re-rapture into his
preaching. But when it came to the 1960, you know, he couldn't buck on that. He couldn't change that.
And it's because of the fact that all his friends were 1960. And once you make that switch from the
1960, you're no longer a part of that system. You no longer receive the support from the pastors.
You're going to be ostracized in the Spanish world for not, you know, or for changing Bible
versions in that respect. And so, you know, that is very much a true thing. And there might be
pastors out there, even in the English ministry, that agree with a lot of what we're saying.
They like our preaching. They would like to just let loose and even preach the things that we
preach, but they can't because they're like stuck in that system. And if they do, they're going to
be blackballed. They are going to be ostracized from their friends. They're not going to get the
preaching engagements, which obviously, when it comes to us, who cares, right? Like for us, it's
just, you know, so be it. You know, that's the company we don't want if they don't love the
truth. But for them, it's, you know, apparently it's really important, you know. Well, we got
another, we've got another good caller coming in, a guy named Marcos from, from I think the
promised land. Oh wait, it's not Texas. So let's see if we can get Marcos on the line. Marcos,
can you hear us? Yes, sir. All right. Now, I thought you were going to be in the line right now.
Uh oh. Well, you're going to be in the line for about 10 hours because everybody in California
has no good taste. It's worth it though. Oh, okay. Well, I heard you had some interesting
Bible college experiences. Why don't you give it to us firsthand? Yes, sir. So, I mean,
Bill Starlin, Pastor Mejia, recruited me for Bible college. So,
he's the one that kind of recruited me for that. But obviously, that's all we kind of knew at the
time was like, if you want to be a preacher, then you had to go to Bible college. And I had just
been saved for like, probably a year and a year and a half. And that's when Pastor Mejia came
with the tour group. And then they kind of recruited me to come to Bible college.
And I went and you know, at first, you know, like all they bring out, they roll out the red carpet,
they put out the glitz and glamour, like everything's so like, like just so new to you,
you know, and after a while you start seeing things you're like, okay, like, like not everybody's here
for like the right reasons. Like, they would often say, like, you know, some, some guys here are like,
mama, mama sent Papa called, you know, and, you know, you just have these guys like, that
don't even want to really be there. They just are there because their mama sent them. And, you know,
they're there like just to wear skinny jeans and just to, you know, just to please their parents
so that they can live under their roof kind of thing. And, you know, it kind of frustrates you
because you would see like these people, they would get away with so much stuff. I remember like one
guy, like he came from another church. And I remember him just like always being involved in
like something shady, like he would always be going to the movies, get caught, and they wouldn't kick
him out or something, you know, and like, like they would get on us for just like, you know,
just being, you know, right, you know, just being on fire for the Bible. They would be like, oh,
you know, you guys are just, they would call us like hyper spiritual or something like that,
you know, but it just, it just, it just really sucks to just to see that like they would like,
you know, allow that those guys that they didn't want to be there to just want to do their own
thing. And it just kind of leaves you with like a, leaves you with a bitter taste in your mouth,
you know, because this is why like, why are you allowing this to happen? But, you know, with us,
you know, once we start listening to Pastor Anderson, once we started wanting to live right,
once we start wanting to, you know, actually believe what the Bible actually says, it's like
you guys get on us, you know. I'm sure they weren't sneaking off to watch Sodomite Deception,
but that'd be a cool way to get kicked out. You apparently got just like tossed out. How did that
go down exactly? So it was when Pastor Mejia and Pastor Anderson had started the church here.
It was Faithful Word at the time and I was still in Bible college and I was kind of just like
just on the fence of just trying maybe going to Faithful Word at the time. And I remember Pastor
Mejia was just like, "Just come, you know, come check it out." And so I did on the night that
Pastor Anderson came to first preach. And I remember like the next day, like the dean,
I don't even know if he's the dean or the principal. He called me into his office and
he like found out that I had come and everything. So, you know, I was like, "Okay, so..."
How did you find this out? Did he tell you?
I think I just, oh, I didn't show up for the Thursday night service over there at Pacific Baptist.
Okay. So, yeah, so he found out. Then a couple months passed by, and I was just like, you know,
the New Year was going to come around. I was like, "You know what? I'm just going to go to
Faithful Word and just make that my home church." Because in Bible college, you had one or two
options. You could either serve at Pacific Baptist or you could serve at your home church.
And my home church, it was in Barso Baptist Temple in Barso. And I didn't really agree with things
with the pastor, and we kind of had a falling out after I told him, like, what I believe now.
And he just stopped talking to me. We just weren't good friends anymore. And so I was,
you know what, I'm going to make Faithful Word my home church. And I remember putting down my
New Year application to go into my semester. And I remember, like, the girls at the front desk when
they found out when I put down, like, Faithful Word as my home church, that's where I'm going
to be serving at this semester, which was going to be my last semester in Bible college, too.
And they just looked at each other like, "Oh, man, this guy, he's like, he's bold for doing this,"
you know? And then, like, so the semester rolls around. Probably, like, the first week, you know,
I get a text from the principals, like, "Hey, Pastor Meyers wants to meet with you." And I'm like,
"Oh, this is it." And I think I was at Pastor Meyers' house when I got that text. And I was,
to be honest, in reality, I was kind of fearful because I was like, "What are they going to do?
You know, what are they going to say to me?" And looking back, I was like, "What's the worst I can
do? Like, they're not going to kill me. They're not going to do anything to me. They're not going to."
So I was just like really fearing for nothing. I guess it was just like fear of like just losing
friends and just losing just what I had already had there. So they broke up with you via text?
No. So I went to, here's the thing, I went to the meeting. Pastor Meyers was there and he just
tells me like he's oh hey like you know I saw that you put a faithful word as your home church
you can't be in this Bible college anymore and I told him like well why not you know it's like
they just you know we just believe differently uh we have the same gospel and everything he's like
yeah but you know it's just their spirit is not right and you know everything that uh that that
that's been going on it's just it doesn't sit well with us it doesn't give back to the good name
and i'm like well it was like whatever you think and like well i'll just leave and so yeah they just
kicked me to the street so yeah if they said hey where were you on thursday or like oh i was
watching an x-rated film they'd be like okay well that's all right but it's like you go to
faithful word and it's like oh man you went there i mean they have the wrong spirit you know you get
kicked out for going to faithful word not for going to to r a the movie or something or watching
smut right yeah exactly that's that's how it was though like in the dorms like i remember brother
ulysses who's our evangelist now over here at first works um we would we would have to like
when everybody would go to sleep like him and i after we would get done lifting we would go watch
panther anderson and like turn on the volume and we're like yeah yeah yeah or sometimes if i'd be
like like i'd have to check the rooms like okay so like no one's here i'm i'm home alone in the
dorms and i just like find a corner and just like have a laptop to myself pointing at me and i'm
like and with someone walking i just told her right away and this is like why am i doing this why am i
it just feels so wrong yeah shades of north korea north koreans have to do that when they listen to
south korean radio i'll make sure nobody's listening to us sort of the same thing it is true i feel like
they would be less harsh on you if you backslid into sin yeah yeah it could be like smoking pot
or something and it'd be less of an offense is it is it pastor anderson's position on fags is that
really the big deal here no i think well that and then just uh the whole post-tribulation rapture
belief and yeah and the anti-jew thing it's just that but to be honest like jews always hear like
things yeah but they would always like take shots at pastor anderson um i remember one of the
teachers uh he was taking shots at pastor anderson is like you know what pastor anderson or uh he
didn't even name him he just said this guy that's pastor in arizona you know who has a small church
you know what he needs to focus on is not going out so many and you know everybody thought like
all all baptists at that time thought like pastor anderson had a small church yeah and i remember
the next day in class he actually apologized he said hey you know my wife actually told me that
he actually has a pretty big church and he actually does go so winning so it's like
you know they just they just uh cast all these railing accusations at pastor anderson so it's
like they just try to take shots you know so yeah they just don't like pastor anderson they don't
like the new iv so that's crazy i mean it's it's crazy to go i mean how long were you in bible
college you said it was like your last semester so like what kind of years my pilgrims are few
and evil okay i mean you get it's like you get all the way to the end and then you wake up and
you're married to leah or something you know i had enough years to get my doctor we'll just call you
doctor doctor sanchez i should get like an honorary doctorate degree from bible college
doctor the doctor of divinity well i guess he could be like pastor anderson he's the same boat i
believe that he had to he left in the last semester of his bible college as well so just couldn't
quite just couldn't quite make it um well thanks so much for calling in um you know obviously you'll
need extra prayer after eating in and out and uh we'll try to make sure obviously there's there's
still some issues over there that you guys have but um we'll pray for you and uh you know everybody
can be in texas i get it so but hey water burger sucks all right so i'll piss everybody off there
we go i said it i mean ben what ben likes mcdonald's so you guys are definitely better than him so no
comparison but thanks marcos hey uh pastor shelley going back to that point it's funny you know we
joke around and we just about the fact that um you know it was it's almost as if like if they were
caught watching an r-rated movie they'd be more you know merciful to that person but i specifically
remember because there's dorms there where there is a person who was living in the dorms and there
were just kind of letting them live there he wasn't necessarily a part of the college as of yet he was
going to be and or he kind of went like part-time to the college but he was expressing to everyone
at the dorms that he didn't even believe the bible and he didn't believe the bible he didn't you know
and then i caught wind of it and so i went to the president of the college and i said hey this guy
probably shouldn't be here he doesn't believe the bible and and they're like how do you know i'm
like well there's three witnesses that said they had a conversation with them and he said how do
we even know the bible is true and make any statements that he was kind of like undermining
the bible i said so i'm guessing we're just going to kick him out then right because this is a it's
a it's a bible college and so like you would have to believe the bible to be in the college
right and i'm like well you know we just we need to work with him and and and i just almost i've
wow pretty much lost it and i was thinking about stuff like what i'm like the guy is acting like
an atheist he doesn't believe the bible why is he in a dorm a bible college dorm if he doesn't even
believe in the word of god and so that really frustrated me a lot and there's a lot of there's
a lot of there's a lot of stories like that where it's almost like richard dawkins it's like if
you're listening to richard dawkins and going to see him speak that would be more acceptable
than listening these other fundamental baptist preachers and of course i get like if there is
a heretic right i mean obviously we would have problems with our church members or people that
we cared about going and listening to uh you know some heretic td jakes if they're going to td jakes
church or if they're going to kenneth copeland's church obviously that would be an issue that you'd
want to address with the individual but they never seem to be able to point out any of these heresies
they never seem to be able to point out like what's the clear doctrine that this person is denying
like the trinity or a false gospel or something that's a real dividing issue it's always these
secondary issues minor things or railing accusations which tends to just kind of turn all the right
people off i mean someone that actually cares about the truth is gonna is gonna say well that's not a
reason to separate or that's not even true about him i mean if you find out the pastor Anderson
has a big church you're gonna be like well what else is my pastor lying about yeah what's
interesting about that is that we actually there are staff members who were preachers and teachers
there who ended up becoming missionaries who believed in the posture pre-wrath rapture you
know they were that's what they believed and the faculty knew about it the pastor knew about it
and you know one in particular he he believed in the posture pre-wrath rapture he was replacement
theology because of Roland Rasmussen who kind of spearheaded that uh that movement of posture
pre-wrath rapture back in the day and so you know and they were fine with that so it it caused us
as as young people to kind of be disillusioned with the leadership because it was just like
you're saying it's about the post-trib you're saying it's about the Jews but then you have
staff members who believe that what's really the issue and it's just like well it's the spirit
you know in which they say it or it's you know it it's almost as if they just don't like
person or they're afraid that they're going to lose influence or you know it was one of those
things where it's just like can you just pinpoint one thing that you know what's wrong with this
person or what's wrong with this type of preaching that we don't have here you know and so it was
it was just weird. Yeah the hypocrisy becomes evident and then you kind of start realizing
it's just about money, influence, envy and it I think it's hard because you don't want to
think poorly of your leaders you don't want to think poorly of these men who have probably done
good things or invested in you loved on you in certain ways but the sad reality is I think Bible
College is in as a petri jish to get infected with the love of money there's too much pressure
there's too much just area for compromise to get enough students in to get enough churches to agree
and it just brings you down to the lowest common denominator and it really just tests to see how
much you're willing to compromise. I think that anybody put in that situation it's going to
probably go to the lowest point of compromise that they will reach whatever that is whereas whenever
you can actually be kind of independent and you're not dependent on these streams or yoking with the
other people it kind of maximizes your extremity like kind of pushes you to what's the furthest
you're going to push these things and that's why i'm a big believer in independent baptist churches
yeah amen and i will say this you know that was my experience with bible college but within the last
recent years many of these individuals including the president of the college where i went to
are actually starting to see it our way where before it was just like they they clearly stated
they don't believe in the reprobate doctrine but uh as of recent i've spoken to that same person
they say i do believe in a reduction and they they're starting to reconsider a lot of these
doctrines and you know they'll even text me and they'll call me and they'll say hey uh i'm
teaching at this in the bible college what's your interpretation of this or can you help me out with
this interpretation of this particular parable or you know they're kind of reaching out to like new
infp people and they're even listening to the preaching where the pastor of the church that i
went to is now in times past he would condemn people for sharing new infp material now he's
the one sharing it so now he's like sending it to staff members saying hey you need to watch this
it's really good or whatever and you know it could be i don't really know why or you know and i'm not
sure how far they'll go i'm just happy that they're kind of moving in the right direction
but you know at the end at the end of the day i'm just thankful that you know they're kind of moving
in the right direction and it could be that our country's gotten so vile it's gotten so disgusting
and wicked and perverse you know that we're starting to look pretty good to them you know
and they're kind of thinking you know what these guys actually aren't so bad you know i kind of
they're kind of looking for someone to stand up for the truth even if it's not them so they admire
that so i think that's a good thing i think that in the times of darkness in times of
regression as a culture as a society in dark times people are looking for leadership they're
looking for someone to resist they're looking for someone to follow and so i think that that gives
a unique opportunity to people like you pastors like you who have taken a bold stand who have
said you know what doctrine does matter i'm not going to just tolerate you know this kind of
level of compromise or you know i'm not ashamed of what i believe and i think that people look
at that and they say wow i want to be like that because i think even in the bible college
experiment a lot of people there have different beliefs than maybe what their college or their
church has but there's no there's no environment to think critically or to express a different
viewpoint and they look at a pastor like pastor mahia who just says everything he believes he's
not holding anything back and they say i want to be like that i want to follow someone like that
i want to learn from that individual and i think that you've personally shifted the overton window
you know specifically in your area and of course the whole world but you kind of push back and show
people look enough good people walk away and they start doing the right thing people are going to
see the fruit of that they're going to realize you know what maybe we are wrong here and it's
going to cause you know good people to say you know what that is right this is the good example
let's follow this man you know jihoo kind of seemed to inspire a lot of people to get right
and and to cast off the shackles of jezebel and i think they were just all looking for a leader
to finally just call it out and finally say you know what needs to be said and you know the fakes
and the phonies will never go along with us but those who actually have the holy spirit inside of
them when they hear the good preaching they can't help but be like i was right they can't they can't
help but just acknowledge you know that's the voice of the shepherd and you know after hearing
John Getch say what he said it's like i don't know if Pastor Anderson is allowed to say that
but i liked it you're like but it felt right and of course i'm sure you know the people love Jesus
i mean Jesus was rebuking the Pharisees and the Sadducees and the common people heard him gladly
they were just like yes this is call it out you know and i think that there's just a large group
of people that just want someone to call it out they just want someone to preach what the Bible
says and i just feel like Bible College is not gonna do it you know yes there's some good in
there but i feel like we need men outside of Bible College we need more young zealous men of God to
get plugged into a local church not willing to hold back gonna preach the Bible and we can drag
everybody along with us you know we need more pastor Bruce Mejia's more brother Marcos and
other men that are willing to say this is what i believe if you don't want me here i'll go but
i'm not going to change what i believe yeah amen yeah i think that the the Bible College system
has failed miserably and i think we've seen that over the last couple of decades it hasn't produced
what it claims it can produce i think it's it's it's just been a complete failure of a system
and which is a good thing it's good that it's completely failing it's good that it's not
producing legitimate grounded godly spirit-filled pastors and preachers and missionaries it's good
that it's just kind of a deck of cards it's just coming apart because now it's going to show those
who really want to be a part of the ministry want to be pastors or even just be on fire christians
it's going to bring them back full circle to what God originally intended and so you know it's good
for Bible college to just completely destroy itself so as to show the people who genuinely
want to know what it is you know to to to lead a church to win people to Christ to priest the truth
where they got to go to to find that which is at your local New Testament church it's going to
bring people back to the institution that God set up and so you know obviously like with anything
else you can get something good out of it you know I learned good things out of it I learned good work
ethic and discipline and I don't regret it as far as what I've learned there you know that's what I
was there for and God allowed me to do that but you know obviously it's not God's original intent
and so it's I don't believe it's His will I think God wants the young people you know our church for
example has a lot of young people and I think that's what God wants it to be I think He wants
young people to be in the church under a pastor and to to be on fire for God there and win souls
to Christ and learn how to socialize with adults learn how to speak to uh individuals you know
strangers and preach the gospel and and and learn those things in a local New Testament church
because that's the institution that God has set forth and so I really hope that there's Bible
college students out there that will begin to see that and say you know what I'm going to go back
to my church or I'm going to join a new church you know I want to get under uh some fiery leadership
because I'm not getting the training that I need here I really hope that's the case. Yeah I mean
if you move to Bible college uh you know if you're going to take that kind of uh a big move why not
move to First Works in California into LA and then serve with Pastor Bruce Mejia it'd be one
of the best decisions of your life and you're going to actually grow a lot plus you know one
thing that's kind of not really stated but I think's a big deal is how young single guys are
pretty immature and when you're in a church where you're around a godly pastor and other men that
are married have children it helps mature you it helps you to have the right perspective on life
whereas if you're just around only other young single guys a lot of times you kind of have that
rebel in the group that drags everybody down with them and causes a lot of young men to get
in trouble and so you know to me that's a great decision's really clear and I don't even personally
have any doubt about it because to me the fruit proves who's right here you know without exception
virtually speaking you know the Bible college is not producing a high quality product we don't see
great men you know really infecting the culture that are being sent out of the Bible colleges
directly and that are believing and teaching the same things that the Bible colleges I mean the
men that I have respect for are the men they are despite Bible college they don't recommend
Bible college and we don't see Bible college producing any good fruit anymore. I do believe
in the void of good churches you know Bible college might have produced some fruit here and
there but it was more despite the Bible college experience and we've seen independent Baptist
churches being more successful producing a better crop and having better results not having Bible
college so to me the argument's already been won it's crystal clear what we should be doing
the Bible doesn't say anything about Bible college it doesn't teach this type of an institution you
know the pillar and ground of the truth is the church and there's there's really anytime you
separate any part of the church it seems to fail whether that be nursery Sunday school Bible college
or even these life groups cell groups with adults in them all of them fail none of them are are the
right model the right models have a spirit-filled man of God as a pastor leading the flock like
Pastor Mejia and to have the whole church rallied behind him and plugged in and every aspect and
part of that body so as it can thrive you know the Bible just like my body needs every part
the church needs every part let's not take all the young people and throw them off to some Bible
college somewhere let them be you know the the strength of that church you know the Bible tells
us in first John that young men are strong and so that's that's a really unique attribute and
characteristic that we don't want to strip from the church we don't want to strip all the strength
and you know being manly and masculine is an important quality that we need in this country
and in this world and you know that's that's what I love about going to first works I've been there
before a couple times and man is it filled with some strong men and you know I really appreciate
y'all zeal over there. This is probably one of our longest podcast streams that we've ever done.
Sorry about that. No no no I'm glad that you're willing to stick around with us.
Brother Ben give us some thoughts I know you've been silent for a while. I just think that it's
patterning a lot of these churches are patterning themselves after the world the whole college model
and structure is found in the world I mean the world advocates that people go and pursue
post-secondary education where when it comes to the secular colleges they are then brainwashed
and propagandized with the worst filth imaginable with sodomite propaganda and other things feminism
leftism things like that and yet churches are modeling that by telling their young people to
pursue quote-unquote post-secondary education in a sense of sending them to bible college where
they're learning false doctrine where they're learning abraham's bosom where they're learning
to doubt the bible where they're learning dispensationalism and where great churches
that are on fire for the lord are being demonized churches like first works baptist church faithful
word baptist church and others and so i would 100% concur with everything you guys both said and
for those of you listening to this podcast right now i think the common theme is this go find a
local church that's on fire for the lord and doing mighty works for god and eschew bible college
amen amen well and specifically you need to go to first works baptist church why don't you give us
why don't you give us some plugs here pastor mehia you got a lot of stuff going on and you
have a great podcast too the rod of iron why don't you tell us where we can where we can find your
info yeah you could just go on our youtube channel antipas and um that's where the live streams are
that's where we put the podcast we have a new podcast coming out this week uh i believe on
thursday it'll be it'll be uploaded and we're we're reacting to the chosen that godless series
and um and so a lot of put a lot of material on there you can follow me on instagram i'm very
active on instagram and so you can find me on that's wild underscore olive underscore tree
on instagram and i'd like to say one more thing regarding bible college before we
before we conclude yeah you know what about your website what is your website too oh it's uh it's
uh fwc fwbcla.org great and so uh you can contact us you can email us at fwbcla1@gmail.com as well
if you have any questions but let me just say this is you know we mentioned that
people come out churches are started pastors you know whoever went to bible college they
became successful in spite of bible college but the truth is is that many of those pastors and
churches that started that went to bible college the bible colleges they went to were our style of
church and so many of those bible colleges were like for example my pastor came from his the
bible college he went to and the church that he that it was under was kind of our style of church
it was hard preaching it was soul winning king james just you know sold out for the lord
on fire zealous type of of an environment and so you know now you can get that at a church like
stephans baptist church minus all the bible college stuff minus all the fees minus all the
bus ministry and the you know all the drama that comes with that you can get at a local new
testament church and so a lot of these guys who started churches and became successful when they
got out of college is because they went to a college that had a church that had our flavor
type of ministry and so it kind of just goes to show that the way we do church is the way to go
and for people out there who think oh it might be kind of cool though to go sit in a class and
listen to the to a professor preach or i should say teach the bible well then when you go to first
works baptist church or when you go to steadfast or whatever church you might attend why don't
you show up with the same mentality i want to come here to listen to the pastor listen to the
man of god teach me the bible take some notes pay attention to the preaching treat it like it is a
quote unquote class have that mentality that you're there to learn and then you'll get even more out
of it somebody has where they can get this awesome merch good works raiment.com in fact if you just
search good works raiment usually comes up as one of the top links and you can get some awesome i
saw there's a king james only sweatshirt kind of like the one you have there and some cool hats
and a lot of first works they also let me just say they have great first works merch but if you
contact him personally okay which is uh through good works raiment instagram if you can personally
dm him and there's things he can't have on the website because um yeah even some of the even
some of his printers they he's trying to print new ifb stuff and they're just like well that's
a hate group we can't print for them and so the the the places he's gone to they know about the
new ifb but if you contact him personally he will custom make you know any anti-fag stuff that you
want and so if you have an idea of something that you want a rainbow flag being burned or something
like that or whatever it is he can make it for you he's the black market babbist yeah so he has a
lot he had a lot of great stuff on his website like a lot of good king james stuff a lot of
baptist stuff a lot of new ifb stuff but you know some of the some of the stuff under the table you
know what i mean oh yeah in the back room the good stuff that's the really good show me the good
stickers he has i could just pull out the stickers here yeah man let's see it let me let me just show
you so this one's one of my favorites right here it's a trash can with uh all the rainbow flags and
tranny stuff wow leviticus 2013 it's a great sticker it's wonderful uh you know you got your
leviticus 2013 sticker here you know this this one right here is probably one of my favorite though
one of my favorites and it's it's jude one seven and as you can see it's a skull but it's actually
sodom and gamora being destroyed oh wow that's super cool that is awesome people there is like
the teeth it's a really cool sticker and then of course you have your classic you know no dogs
allowed that one got us in trouble our landlord told us to take that one down i told him no but
he has a lot of this stuff just real novel ideas and and like anti-fag stuff you know it's a great
place to get your stuff like that well the baptist bias brought to you in part by good works raiment
so there we go i'll look for my check in the mail and uh we'll send you a packet of stickers
yeah that that's that'd be cool um well thanks again so much for being on the show uh it's it's
great to uh hear from you pastor mahiya um we we definitely are praying for you guys out there
and i know you guys are doing some some great works out there some of the first works
so thanks so much for being on the show uh really really i think pastor mahiya is one of my closest
friends he's he's a great guy he's done a lot to help our church and uh you know if you're
anywhere in california that area you got to at least visit if not just move out there it's a
great church amen well you'll have a good night thank you for having me pastor shelly i really
appreciate being here i love you pastor shelly brother ben good to see you love you too love
steadfast baptist church thanks for having me on the show god bless have a good night god bless
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we had a lot of people in the show and we had some great call-ins of course we got a couple
more episodes this season so you don't want to miss it Tuesday's 8 p.m. Texas time or obviously
the promised lands time for those of you that aren't aware but this is pretty much going to
do it for us Ben where else can you hear I want to get those podcasts real quick yeah we're on
Apple podcasts we're on Spotify we're on the Stitcher radio app we're on Google podcasts as
well we're on Podbean all you have to do is just google the Baptist Bias podcast feed and I'm
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tune in on the go it's very convenient well that's going to do it for us from the Baptist Bias
have a good night Ben sent us off that's it for the show we thank you so much for tuning in at one
point we were on the home page by the way the front page of rumble.com thought I'd point that
out until next time for Pastor Shelley Pastor Bruce Mejia it's Ben Naim signing off God bless
you all we'll talk to you again after a while