After a long day of work, I want nothing more than to kick back, fire up YouTube, and listen
to some good old-fashioned preaching.
And the options are endless.
I could turn on some Joel Osteen for a supply of feel-good catchphrases from an always smiling
spiritual used car salesman who totally doesn't just do what he does for money.
I could turn on Victoria Osteen and listen to her dish out the same exact positivity,
but this time from a woman because forget about what the Bible says about women preachers.
Forget about what it says clearly in plain English.
Bible never condemns women like her.
The Bible never condemns female pastors, female preachers at all.
Then there's Stephen Furtick, ready to yell about how he is God Almighty, literally.
And maybe he'll be wearing his wife's sweater as well.
What, you got a problem with that?
Don't be a legalist, all right?
And let's not forget John MacArthur, who apparently thinks that Christians aren't saved by the
blood of Jesus Christ.
Hey, I could listen to John Hagee, twist the scriptures as he always does into a pretzel
to worship the state of Israel and Christ rejecting Jews.
Got to pay his bills somehow, right?
And how could the Jews reject that which was never offered?
Have you thought about that before?
But here's the problem, okay?
I've got a brain in my head.
I've got the Holy Spirit.
So obviously, I'm not interested in charlatans.
I'm not looking for false prophets.
I want nothing to do with the likes of Kenneth Copeland or Joyce Meyer who, let's be real,
can moonlight as a scarecrow during their free time.
I'm looking for a preacher who has the Spirit of God, a Spirit-filled man of God.
I'm looking for preaching that is with that unmistakable Baptist bias.
Thanks for joining us on Baptist Bias.
I'm your host, Pastor Shelley, and I guess we're having guest Joel Osteen on the show?
First time ever.
Big time guest.
You've got a big following.
Looking forward to asking him some questions today.
Yeah.
I think he got a tan or something like that.
And whitened teeth, as per usual.
Maybe moved to California.
Actually, we have return guest Pastor Mejia on the show.
How's it going?
Going great.
I resent that.
Do you have lots of coffee ready to go or what?
Mascarpé right here will also laugh at your calamity and will mock when your fear cometh
right there.
Oh, man.
Man, that's a nice setup.
Look at the setup he's got going.
He looks better than us.
I'm trying to keep up with you guys.
Oh, whatever.
Hey, how's everything going over there in California?
Everything going smoothly?
Going great.
Yeah.
Great weather, great food.
Nothing to complain about.
Great soul and great churches.
Yeah.
Nothing to complain about.
The promised land over there in California.
How's everything going with you guys?
Yeah, we're doing great.
Good to see you again.
So...
Good to see you too.
How are you doing, brother Ben?
Great.
Thanks for asking.
And I will go on record in saying that I don't think California is nearly as bad as
many people make it out to be.
I always enjoy my trips out there.
I actually like it.
It's a great state.
I'm just trying to suck up again.
It's obvious.
Maybe.
I just don't want to get on past from his bad side, so I'm starting off, you know,
positive.
Well, we got a cool show tonight.
We're going to talk about some bad preaching and honestly, I hope this is a segment that
we bring up a lot in the future just because I think it's something we can integrate in
the show a lot and kind of show lots of clips and give some commentary.
So it's going to be kind of a different show.
We also will be taking some call ins if you want to give us a shout.
We'd like to hear if there's a specific bad preacher or a clip or something that you've
heard that you'd want us to comment on and our production crew is pretty great.
So, it's possible we might be able to find it out there, but if you want to call into
the show, 231-BABDIST, you can call in, see if you have a recommendation for some bad
preaching.
I already see a lot of comments in here filling up and we've got a lot of people we can talk
about this evening, but I want to kick it off to you, Pastor Mejia.
Is there any bad preaching out there that you've heard recently that you'd like to
highlight?
Well, yeah, that one right there.
So, I mean, I'm on Instagram a lot, and I'm always putting out content on social media,
specifically on Instagram.
So I see a lot of bad preaching all the time, and some of them you're going to highlight
tonight.
But unfortunately, you know, one of the groups that are catching a lot of momentum are the
Catholics and the Orthodox.
And I think you have one highlighted right there, and this guy was apparently attacked
in one of his services, but he's a super wicked preacher.
I mean, he's a false prophet.
The guy's a priest of the Orthodox Church, and he's being elevated as being some man
of God because he was attacked or whatever.
But you know, he preaches really bad.
He has a lot of false doctrine, and you know, good preaching has the right type of doctrine,
the right type of salvation.
It is pleasing unto God because it actually is in harmony with the Word of God.
But this guy is a false prophet, and he obviously believes in a false gospel.
And you know, unfortunately, you know, a lot of young people are falling for that stuff.
And so this is the guy who keeps actually coming up on my feed like over and over again
due to the supposed attack that he had.
And he's kind of capitalizing on that.
Yeah, I think there was a maybe a Muslim who came in and attacked him with a knife.
It was it was pretty viral.
I think he's in Australia, specifically.
you know, do you know about this guy? I don't know much about him. I've heard of the incident
that you're describing where he got stabbed or something like that in the middle of one
of the sermons, but I don't know much more than that. I think it was recently and the
guy's name Mari Mari Emanuel, is that his full name? I believe so. Mari Mari. I thought
it was Mar Mari. Mar Mari? Yeah. I don't know. I remember. Oh yeah, I think you're right.
Mar Mari Emanuel. Alright. Mar Mari. Mar Mari. I think that he has a reputation for being
like a hard preacher. The new IFB of orthodoxy here? But let's play a little bit of this
clip and if you want you can comment but while he's playing it let's see what this guy has
to say. Some denominations in Christendom they say once you receive Jesus as Lord and
Saviour you're saved forever. This is a false teaching, be careful. It is not Biblical
at all. Just because you receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour come into my heart,
come into my life, come into my spirit, come into my being. That's it, you're saved no
matter what you do. Hello? Anybody home? No way. Before you come to faith and Jesus...
You can cut it. This guy is good. That's a good preacher but you know this is what's
so funny to me is this comment. It's not Biblical at all. Isn't it just like Biblical
or not? Like what is it? It's partially Biblical. You know like it's not even a viewpoint that's
out there. It's like this isn't Biblical at all. You know. Need to persuade. Yeah. What
a great exegesis of scripture here too. What verse did he quote Pastor Mejia? First opinions
one one apparently. Yeah. I mean I obviously the guy's not even saved. You know that's
not even a question because if you deny internal security like that. You kind of wonder if
he preached this beforehand. You kind of wonder if that's why God allowed that attack
on him for mocking the word of God and mocking one saved always saved essentially mocking
the gift of his son Jesus Christ the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross. You know he's
mocking the way of salvation the biblical way of salvation and essentially shutting
up heaven for those who are trying to enter and take away the key of knowledge and you
know he's he's mocking it and all of a sudden this attack happens on him. You kind of wonder
if that person was doing the Lord's work just because you know God's gonna mock him and
I don't know I think he now he preaches with like a patch over his eye or something like
that and you know but I think that's probably the reason why that happened to him. Well
you know obviously I try to be I try to be careful when it comes to Christian churches
and someone getting attacked because I don't want to just instantly think like that person
deserves it and I think that bad people may persecute good people. So I didn't really
want to pass judgment on the guy especially when I first heard about the incident. After
hearing him preach it's very clear the guy's not saved whatsoever. So you know obviously
I'm not really pro anybody going into a church and stabbing somebody or hurting someone no
matter who it is really but at the end of the day obviously if God wants to allow the
devil to torment and afflict false prophets then you know I'm not going to stand in the
way of them or anything like that. It's definitely a shame that we see a lot more violence going
on in churches in general but again you know it could be and it's very likely that someone
that's preaching a false gospel I think God could attack or you know raise some evil person
up or you know I don't even know that I would say this directly like God but it's more
like God just doesn't even care and just allows evil wicked people to just kind of do whatever
as I think that God kind of puts a hedge of protection around the saved and about you
know preachers that are preaching the right gospel and these people that are not they
don't have that they don't have like a bunch of guardian angels or a hedge about them like
Elisha or someone like that but you know what is your what are your thoughts on this guy
Mari Marmari I'm kind of afraid I'm kind of upset he didn't
finish the job anyway no I obviously he's a false prophet he's a devil and
and just to echo what pastor Mahia was talking about if you're gonna mock and
ridicule and attack a doctrine as beautiful really as one saved always
saved don't be surprised then if something like that happens and there is
no hedge of protection about you you know the Bible talks about in 1st John
chapter 5 and this is the record that God has given to his son eternal life
and so I feel like you know if that's going to be your modus operandi I will
rail on one saved always saved and claim that it's not biblical and preach
against it well I guess don't expect a bunch of angels don't expect a legion of
angels to protect you when you're under attack I mean you know the the Lord
didn't protect the limus the sorcerer when he was trying to hinder the Apostle
Paul from trying to win someone to Christ and he let him go blind you know
darkness fell upon him and he was struck blind so you know very well could have
been the Lord just kind of smiting him causing him to just watch his tongue a
little bit and not just flippantly disregard clear scriptures in the Bible
that teach because once they've always saved isn't just like a matter of
opinion or a secondary doctrine that's something that's very clearly laid out
in the Bible you know even if you believe for example that you know oh you
have to do works or whatever it may be you know to just mock salvation in general
and say there's just nowhere in the Bible you know it's kind of crazy to say
that yeah I mean when you got the most famous verse in the Bible it's saying
that whose are believing them should not perish but have everlasting life you're
basically just contradicting the most famous verse in the Bible like you think
you'd have some clear verses on that and you know to kind of echo this the
sentiment you know if someone makes the statements that this guy's making it's
clear that he doesn't believe salvation is by faith alone he's he's like mocking
that idea he's mocking that concept and of course that would prove that he's
not saved and someone that's not saved and preaching a false gospel you know
the Apostle Paul said to let him be accursed you know but specifically you
know I thought of the story in Amos because a lot of people would be really
offended by someone calling out Mari or saying that you know this attack
could be because he's a false prophet but think about what Amos said to a
specific other false preacher or false prophet he said in verse 17 of Amos 7
"Thy wife shall be a harlot in the city and thy sons and thy daughters shall
fall by the sword and thy land shall be divided by line and thou shalt die in a
polluted land and Israel shall surely go into captivity fourth of his land." That's
way harder than anything that we just said and it's kind of crazy you know
when you think about it like because that was that's some intense preaching
back in that day to literally like look at a guy and be like your wife's gonna
be a whore and then just say like you're gonna die you know there's a lot of
preaching like that in the Bible where the men of God were basically just
proclaiming like the worst things for false prophets specifically and you know
again some people say like you don't have a sweet spirit I'm sure they
probably said that about Amos too and Amos was told to shut up basically and
that was his response go home stop preaching and his response was to turn
it up to 11 yeah he doubled down and how much more should we when we hear a guy
who's calling God a liar he that believeth not God the Bible says in 1st
John chapter 5 hath made him a liar because they believe it not the record
that God gave of his son and this is record eternal life well this is what I
want to know did Amos even know this guy's wife like think think about this
testimony I mean you've probably called out a lot of false preachers but we ever
just like man that guy's wife's a whore that's pretty yeah I mean you think
about the fact you like you think about the psalm against the prophetic psalm
against Judas yeah I mean God's kind of not just going after Judas he's going
after his descendants and his wife and let them be fatherless and let his wife
be a widow and I mean the curse is just extends beyond Judas and goes to his
future and it kind of makes you it kind of opens our eyes to see that you know
God really does hate false prophets and he despises those who persecute the Lord
and you know he's a lot more you know wrathful in his words than we could ever
be and so you know it's not not a surprise that something like that would
happen to a false prophet in modern days because of the fact that when you look
at the spirit of God in the Word of God and how he feels against those who lead
others astray who take away of the key of knowledge who try to hinder those and
try to essentially be unreasonable like that and just lie against the Word of
God you know it's kind of what happens yeah and make people twofold more the
child of hell than themselves yeah the spiritual predators is what they are
spiritual predators well and here's here's the interesting thing my opinion
doesn't change anything like if I get up and I said the most positive thing I
could possibly think about Marmari or you know just Joel Osteen she's like God
bless him or something or if I say you know God's gonna curse him and destroy
his family that's not gonna change really what God does and what we would
expect God to do is be consistent in his character the Bible says I am the Lord I
change not and if God has these extreme harsh curses and judgments towards false
prophets from Genesis all the way to Revelation then the best thing we could
do would be to bring that to the attention of that false prophet and other
people so they could actually fear God because again me pointing out how God
treats false prophets isn't really gonna make a difference God's gonna deal with
them however he sees fit the most loving thing I can do is actually call to
attention how God truly feels to not soften the blow to not pretend like hey
you know God doesn't matter God doesn't care that you're wrong on this doctrine
or that you're off but rather saying like God feels so strongly about this
that he may cause your wife to go out and be a prostitute and a whore and
cause your children to be fatherless and he may just destroy you and cause your
your your intestines to fall out and you to be eaten of worms and you to be
blind like Simon Simon the Sorcerer and just you know some really extreme harsh
punishments because that's who God really is and I think we don't want to
sugarcoat that message to false prophets they need to fear the Lord. And you see
this in the Old Testament. Go ahead Pastor McHale. I was just gonna say one of the
things that really upsets me regarding that whole situation is the fact that
you know a lot of people who are not very educated when it comes to the
different you know quote-unquote sex of Christianity obviously we don't consider
Orthodox or Catholics to be Christian but just you know under the canopy of
what is Christian you know it's causing a lot of people to compromise and just
kind of say well we need to put our differences aside we need to support
one another and more sympathies being given towards orthodoxy even if in time
past people disagreed with their doctrine about salvation or other
beliefs you know that are that are essential to the faith you know they'll
put those things aside because this horrible thing happened to this guy and
I've seen this a lot on social media where you have a lot of Protestants and
just different individuals who call themselves Christians are reposting what
happened and offering their sympathies and calling this guy a Christian and you
know just kind of you know showing support for this false religion and I
don't think God is pleased with that you know the Bible tells us though hand
joined in hand the wicked shall not be unpunished and God is not pleased when
unbelievers or excuse me when believers sympathize with wicked false prophets you
know shouldest thou help the ungodly love them they hate the Lord therefore
wrath is upon thee from before the Lord and you know we can't intervene with
God's judgment and even if something really bad and evil happens to these
false prophets you know obviously you could just kind of be silent and just
not even have any words to say about it but one thing that God doesn't want you
to do is he doesn't want you to offer sympathies towards that person or their
false religion you know because then you're gonna essentially be a tool to
spread that false religion so much the more because even though you guys have
differences of opinion this one particular event brought you guys closer
together and this is how it always should be this ecumenical type of
mentality right yeah those are some great points and honestly we could talk
about a lot more I want to try and go and do some some more rapid-fire clips
but I think is important for us to kind of help the audience understand that you
know our attitude towards false prophets is not a sugar-coated love them and just
be gracious anyways like the Bible serious God serious the gospel serious
there's many false prophets Elijah mocked the false prophets of Baal and
this show is not going to hold back we are gonna mock the false prophets of
Baal all right let's play clip 2 how can you explain this it's as biblical as
this shirt what is happening this week over just north of us at another church
something is happening that I would be happy to share with you but it's very
despicable this is our film is very hateful there is a misreading and a
misunderstanding of God's Word that has pained me greatly oh no as much as I
wanted to publicly denounce that I sought counsel and instead of doing that
it gives us an opportunity to pray and it gives us an opportunity to know
within ourselves that there are good and right things but there are people who
deceive to the point specifically a conference is happening down the street
with a name that may make you chuckle it's called make America straight
again sounds great yeah roll your eyes absolutely the pastor that has a pulpit
and said that if I could have a button and I could press it and it would make
all people who are homosexual die I would press that button until my finger
broke amen amen and then use another finger gospel is not destroy people
he's crying no gospel is to rescue people it's to save people okay well can
we save them from predators this is the only time where a soft answer does not
turn away wrath I agree man that was so bad actually how could any straight guy
go to church like that you can't I don't think it's possible but that was from
just in case you are wondering it's like I want to forget that so let's just play
another clip all right just move on he's a faggot oh we can't hear it I don't
know political party he's like a modalist God because he's in covenant
with himself he's like I'm in covenant with God Almighty I am God Almighty is
it the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh oh man it's like the first
thing oh man that doily sweater yeah pull this one up oh man I don't I
honestly don't think that transsexuals look this gay like I think that he
literally would make like fags blush yeah because they would be like this guy
he's making fags look bad because we would never dress this ugly and faggity
at the same time so it's just like that Twitter cost $2,000 by the way is it was
it on like was it like on target or something I don't know it was really
expensive you have something that the angel says to the women and it is like
these annoying parents that try to coach their kids from the bleachers when I go
to watch my kid wrestle they'll say things to the kid that is probably the
right thing to keep them away from kids but it's not that this guy should not be
around children when you're out there doing it I heard one parent say to a kid
who was wrestling that helps dad thanks I think it's just a woman's sweater is
that even a man's sweater look what he says to the women he says and that's
easy for you to say you're an angel your big angel a BA you've been in the
presence of God you weren't there when we watched him die you're not bound by
this fledge Wow it gets worse don't be afraid like all that like this is
exactly how women dress like they wear these over-the-size sweatshirts with
skinny pants like it's like he's literally like a latte I was just he
just needs a latte and needs to sit on his on his knees on a couch with the
blanket over his lap or something like that you know right he's just missing
Uggs and a Starbucks frappe latte mocha cappuccino yeah and then sit like
Indian style on his couch looking out the window or something
right i feel like the company that sells this didn't even actually make any of
these they just put up a really bad image
and were like two thousand dollars and they just like
someone actually put this in the cart they were like oh no we have to make it
now like did they even sell more than one
it's it's like his attempt to wear like a long robe
you know right the long robes too old school yeah
it's the modern yeah it's a modern progressive take on long robes
this is the this is the closest you could get to having holy garments
the long robe would have been better than this yeah
i would more yeah i would way be more likely to wear
a long flowing garment than that like the judge's robe or something
like i'm more likely to be seen in that than this thing i think i can tolerate
marie mars long robe more than a faggot at least
like see he's not just sitting by wearing the long robe it's
it's the faggoty effeminate queer outfit on top of that
plus i think he wore this i think this is like a easter sermon too
just because this happened on easter he just hates jesus so much that he just
has to wear the most faggoty clothing it seems like on these
false prophets they love to just come out with the most
weird blasphemous crap on easter itself michael todd on easter
had like some sort of satanic performance
with dancing oh yeah rap music and and just horrific garbage the basketball
pastor yes you kind of wonder if they're like if
obviously they they have to be doing it on purpose but
to to choose like easter to do the most blasphemous thing they're just kind of
they're trying to mock the lord jesus christ and mock easter
to to you know by by doing that which is completely against nature
right yeah i don't think it's a coincidence they are playing for the
devil's team so it it's no coincidence in my mind that
they would pick a day in which we're supposed to be
celebrating the resurrection of the lord jesus christ
to come out with some weird show some satanic ritual like michael taw did
a bunch of beyonce style dancing you're a freak
maybe maybe we can find that i i also have a clip of mike
yeah uh michael taw i'm sending it to my production crew it's it's
him playing basketball but you kind of wonder why like
people even defend this stuff you know like how do you know these guys dressing
like this i mean when you listen to michael taw preach
there's people in the building and i'm telling you who it is
it's aunt jamima uh-huh that's right you preach it
that's who's there at furtick's church or michael no michael taw
i don't know about furtick well i mean with with preaching like this i mean
what else do you need that is the gayest walker ever
what is he doing oh man it's supposed to be comedy it's supposed to be funny
it's like the guy he looks skinny fat like like what is that well that might
be like a costume isn't it might be a costume or something that he's trying to
look like they might they might be doing some sort of skit or something but
that that zesty walk is just a little too natural for him
yeah how do you just net how do you just pull that off like that so
so i actually watched this clip like maybe a few minutes before and after
and then he he ties what he just did to a specific
doctrine i want to give you guys a chance to what do you think that's what
you think how what this what this would relate to
biblically like what what would be the thing you would
preach after doing that dunking i have no idea i mean going to
hell or something i don't know god casting you to the lake of fire
it's god casting them into the lake of fire is that what it is that's the only
thing i can come up with i think i know what it is all right go for it
baptism it was tithing is that how you're supposed to throw your tithe in
the in the basket or something or what he said he said god
uh you're supposed to slam it into the basket you're not truly spiritual
until you take the tithe and you slam it in the offering plate
he said he even points out the fact that he literally just dunked on a seven
foot goal but he's basically saying i could never
dunk on a real goal i needed like assistance
and he's like so god's giving us that alley oop so that we can dunk
and that alley oop is like us giving him the tithe so we can bless us financially
anything to preach tithing yeah so i should have talked about rest of the
scriptures costumes yeah i should have i should have
guessed that what's the other clip we you had another one
from from michael toth yeah let's play this other one let's get this guy oh boy
transformation really really cringe trans i think it's like one of our last
clips we had it's towards the bottom you had you had it pulled up i think it was
like maybe clip 18 there it is right there that's it that's
perfect god decided male and female no no no i'm
not this is not a bad i need y'all to hear my heart on this
this is not a bashing this is not a key if i was there maybe i would have told
him is there something in the middle you could do like kind of a like a little
maybe if somebody well i was born like this i don't know how i feel that i
feel you and i wish that there was an option
of other in the kingdom i know honestly i wish god would have made it so much
simpler and it was like a b c or d like
frik wow the pastor's like so what do you think about
listening to this trash but i do know in the kingdom it literally says kingdom
they're gonna cast me like wait wait go what in the world whoa wow
it's like a backwards k and this is dumb it says dumb this guy this guy is like
mocking god and that's what he's doing because he's
saying that god made it complicated yeah a and b is is complicated male or
female is complicated i wish there was a b c and d and and he
feels like a tranny inside in reference to genders he wants four he's
literally saying like when the bible says can the thing form say to him that
formed it why hast thou made me thus he's the one saying that
yeah well he he's like criticizing god for how he created everything like well
it was up to me you know i would have created like a
tranny category but this is what's even weirder he's pretty much admitting
that it doesn't exist though like yeah in a backwards way he's kind of saying
like i would love for you trannies to be
real but you're fake right god didn't make you that way and it's
complicated that he didn't make you a tranny
yeah and not to mention i don't know if you caught this one pastor mahiya but
he's like you know i get asked what do you think about gay marriage
i don't know it's like this is like the most
yeah the way he like he's like frustrated like he doesn't know what to
say about it or something it's like why are you even a pastor then
people are supposed to be going to you for the answer for the black and white
answer no gray in between and you're just saying like i
don't know the one of the most simplest doctrines
you know are thou a pastor of a church and know it's not these things
it's crazy bring bring it back on the screen because
look at the fine print it says the rise of a holy rebellion oh man what in the
world i can't even see that like this guy is just so wicked like
yeah oh yeah let's let's be rebellious the rise of a holy rebellion being
dumb he's definitely the king of that he is the king of dumb people this is the
worst preaching like it's it's so cringe that it exists and let alone that it's
like the largest church in tulsa and people are making noise as he talks on
youtube he's literally calling the things of god
dumb i mean he's saying that they're stupid and the bible says for the
preaching of the cross is to them that perish
foolishness but until us which are saved it is the power of god
it's so crazy that like a lot of these false prophets they'll literally
just blatantly go against what the bible literally says
you know well the bible says that rebellion is as the sin is witchcraft
so like this is like witchcraft but you know the bible says
and then again i'm not trying to like tell people we're in the end times or
anything but the bible says about the end times like there's gonna be a great
falling away like i don't know how much worse it's
gonna get like this is this is so bad like i just
don't even know at like what point are they gonna be human sacrifice
on the stage like i don't know what are you gonna do i think that's next
obviously there's like sodomite churches where they're promoting sodom we're
gonna unfortunately get to see some of that too
but there is a smorgasbord of bad preaching out there
this is what's sad this stuff is so far from being good
like there's plenty of other stuff that's bad this is just atrocious
i didn't even believe and the guy is sick he's a pervert he's grotesque he's
evil and he has these people in the palm of his hand and that's also
i think part of the delusion here is that people look at this guy
and they say whoa he's making a great point
is there a brain in your head somewhere and every word that comes out of his
mouth he thinks you could tell just the way
he talks he thinks he's making like the greatest
point ever every word that he says let's go let's go to john getch an oldie
but a goodie oh man this lifestyle is a part of the
culture we live in there's no place for a crude or vile
attitude toward those living in this sin faggot
no place i mean there's no place for it in a pulpit there's no place for it in
the pew well i'm not in a pew there's no place for
us to degrade a lifestyle what about our show you know why
we're hesitant some of you kind of bristled when i said we got to call this
a sin you know why the reason it's hard to call sin sin
in cultures because we're not willing to call sin sin in here
that's good people are the grace of god i am what i am
don't blame your game has been kind of like hey i know what i believe about
this and then this is kind of just dumb to me because
i'm not putting up with this lifestyle i hate it and i tell everybody about it
look if that's you you ought to be grateful that you're not a fag
that you've lived at least in this area according to the word of god but it's
only by god's grace that you have every human being regardless of their
ethnic background their education their financial status
their religious beliefs and sexual their religious beliefs
deserves to be treated with respect and dignity
so so you can never disrespect any religious belief
say that's insane open satanist that's totally fun
it's crazy that he thinks that uh you need the grace of god to not be gay you
know to not be he's like i wish i had that gift but
you know i know a bunch of unsaved people who are not homos and they don't
they don't even have the grace of god in their life you know
that's just like a freebie when you when you're born
that you're not a faggot yeah oh man well i think it's amazing how he says
there's no place for a crude or vile attitude
so having a vile attitude he calls it vile
right toward faggots so the faggots aren't vile it's your
attitude toward fags that are vile that's what's vile
not the fags themselves well you can't be upset like the bible says to abhor
that which is evil so what are we allowed if we're not
allowed to like have an upset feeling towards sodomy
like what are we allowed to be upset by nothing i mean they can go up and down
the streets and say we're coming for your children and we're not allowed to
have in his words a vile attitude they could be as vile as they want he
reminds me of proverbs 29 27 where it says an unjust man
is an abomination to the just and he that is upright in the way
is an abomination to the wicked exactly right that that
verse fits perfectly with because he's calling like
god doesn't even talk about like a vile attitude towards the wicked
i mean he calls them vile literally it's just reading the bible yeah
out loud and he blesses those who a vile person
is condemned in their eyes yes yep that's what the bible actually teaches
yep so he's literally trying to lead people away from being blessed of god
because god says he'll bless those when a vile person is condemned in our eyes
yeah like was that song 15 yes song 15 but it's like the person that's
is blessed by actually having a vile attitude
he's saying it's not welcome at their church so he doesn't want the blessing
of god in their church so the king james bible
would not be welcome you know the bible says in psalm 128 too i thought of this
the wicked walk on every side when the vile men are exalted
and so oh we need to praise the sodomite
well then we're gonna have the wicked walking on every side like
todd michael todd like john getch like a lot of these steven furtick
i mean again they they act i mean steven furtick
looked so faggity fags probably wouldn't feel uncomfortable in that
church because they would like appear more straight
and more normal than him so it's like these guys are literally
allowing for effeminacy and faggotry and queerness
to be welcome in the church as john getch is saying come on in michael todd
saying i i really wish i could like change the bible but you know i'm on
your team buddy like i get it dress like a fag be a queer come in my church
i mean data does anybody say trainees aren't welcome
pastor mahill was that um earlier you quoted proverbs 17 was that right
covers 15 pre-15 sorry proverbs chapter 15 there there's also in uh chapter 24 i
thought this was relevant too he that saith unto the wicked thou art righteous
him shall the people curse nations shall abhor him
yeah i mean people man us because of joe biden and it's like
yeah of course and and in fact a lot of people even hate us for some of our
false prophets and it's just like yeah of course i mean
it's an embarrassment i mean think of when we were in the bahamas everybody
hated Christianity i could see like imagine if this is your only exposure to
Christianity is john getch michael todd and steven
fertile like i would think this is the most
fact i don't want anything to do this well you see some young people
who are realizing i mean that this is all they're exposed to
and so they end up going into false religion as a result sometimes they'll
convert to like islam or something like that
which is obviously horrible but my point is is they're exposed to this fake
Christianity and they think that's what it is
well christianity does seem to have the most variants
i mean obviously within muslim the muslim religion
religion islam there is sex like there's the shiite and the sunni
but the most liberal muslims they're not like this
i mean i've never seen muslim churches acting and behaving like this i
wouldn't be surprised if every muslim's fine with throwing them off buildings
you know it's like it's just it's it's ridiculous that this
represents christianity it's it's embarrassing
it almost does seem like god is like sending strong delusion or doing
something because it's just like it's not only these people are
existing these are some of those popular preachers in america
having some of the biggest churches in america that's what's crazy to me
yeah it's sad unfortunately there's a lot more
let's uh since we're since we're kind of on
a a topic here let's let's keep this topic going a little bit because i know
that we have a few more clips that are like
this go to clip 17 with mike winger first of course i have to show you what
he says so you can understand this teaching and how it's problematic so i
apologize for what you're about to hear um it is uh not going to me too if i had
a button on the pulpit i could push it every homosexual would fall over dead i
will push it until i break my finger speaks for itself the next clip is where
he was asked what advice he would give to homosexuals i don't have any advice
for homosexuals except to put a bullet in your own head so that you don't molest
my kids or anyone else's kid yeah man and finally the short clip i want to give you is where he
talks about the possibility of a homosexual being saved by jesus and i was just wondering is it
possible for somebody that was gay to actually be saved and come to christ no i don't believe so
because of the fact that you know if you look at john chapter 12 yeah he doesn't have anything good
to say in john 12 um but in luke 13 oh yeah i don't want to hear that some of us are sinners
that deserve judgment but others are better that gets utterly refuted he doesn't say no one deserves
it though that's what the the secular view would be oh yeah but we're good people nobody really
deserves judgment instead jesus goes the exact opposite and says everyone deserves judgment
and this is the truth when you examine your heart and you know okay i've done some good things but
i've also done bad things like is this guy like a real bad people like that's the nature of things
when you realize how holy god is how holy god is it's got a lot of you realize this that if steven
anderson had a button like that on his um on his pulpit and he had a button he could push it and
all those who were under the death sentence of the law would die everyone would die everyone that's
the distorted weird view that turns into something that looks a lot like hate speech that looks a lot
like oh yeah it is hate speech groups of people or or or highlighting you know one particular sin
thing that you hate it you just look hypocritical because ultimately it is um we all die so if i say
i want every murderer to die it doesn't stop in violation of scripture yeah because the wages of
sin is death oh that debunked ah this i actually hear this argument all the time right and it's
just stupid it's like you really you really have to basically say you would believe in
anarchy at that point to say well there should never be a punishment for anything because we're
all just sinners we all deserve death so you either have if you're going to take that logic
to its its end conclusion do you have to do what he said press the button everybody dies or you
would have to say there's literally no punishment ever but you can't then cherry pick which capital
punishments you want if you're going to be biblically consistent and then this is what
i always point out to be able to say then why if you're so mad though here's the thing pastor
anderson is not does not have that button okay but you know what governments today really do have
that button it's called the the electrifying chair the electric chair for murderers and they are
killing murderers today so like why are you not so mad at texas legislature for having literally
on the books a law saying that murderers will be put to death like you're so against the death
penalty and you're so against people standing against this then why aren't you campaigning and
making videos against the texas legislature if you're going to be logically consistent but
they're not they're not logically consistent they don't understand the argument and they
just want to be popular they want to have a youtube channel so they can't say hey that was
a good i like that point i like i hope you all these guys sound really soft too yeah they just
sound like really effeminate and soft you know i i yet to see like a hairy legged man you know
steven ferdy who is actually like espousing these beliefs sorry go ahead pass from here i apologize
no i mean it's it's true you know going back to that point of the fact that you know nations
will be cursing you know the the person who exalts the wicked you know you kind of wonder why all
these the world just mocks america and mocks christianity in america and i think of this
verse here in jeremiah 18 verse 15 that says because my people have forgotten me they have
burnt incense to vanity and they have caused them to stumble in their ways from the ancient paths
to walk in paths and not in a way not cast up to make their land desolate and perpetual hissing
everyone that passeth thereby shall be astonished and shall wag his head and i'm just thinking like
the world is just looking at us and just like they're just embarrassed for us and that's why
a lot of people are converting to other religions who are espousing you know traditional families
and everything because they see christianity in america and those who represent it such as
joel sting and furtick and all these other false prophets they're probably just wagging their head
as they're looking at how gay they look and how they talk and what they defend and you know that's
why nations don't like it i want to continue with this thread because i have a lot more and i don't
want to get to andy stanley but we do have a caller on the line and i want to give them the
opportunity to talk to us for a minute we got um someone from the promised land past me tony from
california hey tony how's it going can you hear us yeah i can hear you from the promised land
yeah thanks for calling in how you doing brothers doing great yeah it's great to see you uh
yeah it's great to see you guys um i wanted to i just wanted real quickly i was wondering if you
brothers what in mind uh going over the doctrines of baptisms the doctrine of baptisms uh because
there's a there's a brother i'm not going to say any names because i just want you to go ahead and
talk about it yourself but he's confused on the difference between the indwelling of the holy
spirit versus the baptism baptism of the holy spirit baptism of fire and water baptism and uh
in acts 238 mark 16 16 he thinks that's talking about baptism of the holy ghost so if you guys
could just touch on that for some clarification well you know again when it comes to the word
baptism i think a synonym is immerse and so i think all of them pretty much use that terminology
and it can be used in a lot of different contexts one that you didn't mention is the baptism of
repentance so that's where essentially john the baptist is preaching that you have to completely
change your mind kind of be immersed in a change of mind so there's water baptism obviously being
immersed in water that's what you do after you get saved there's the baptism repentance that's
mentioned in scripture that's talking about completely changing your mind and getting saved
the baptism of the holy ghost so it again being being filled with the holy spirit and we see
that in x chapter number two specifically where the disciples literally have like a fire above
their head they're filled with the holy spirit and they were able to speak with tongues and do other
miraculous signs and wonders to testify of the gospel of jesus christ um you know the bible
talks about the earth's going to be baptized with fire when it's essentially just nuked um i don't
know did you have a comment there pastor mehia on no i mean i think it really depends upon what
scriptures are we talking about because you know like you mentioned just baptism is used in various
ways and i think people get confused because when they think of the word or read the word baptism
they automatically associate it with water baptism and so um they essentially you know kind of give
that definition to every single time that they read it but like you mentioned there's various
types of baptisms the bible talks about one baptism and when you think about it in regards
to salvation when you get say when you believe on the lord you're immersed in christ and so
you know it really depends on the context but one thing we know that it doesn't mean is that you
know you don't have to be baptized or immersed in water for salvation which is what people try to
use x238 for and other portions of scripture you just got to go according to the context and you
got to allow you know the immediate interpretation regarding salvation being justified believing on
the lord to be the scriptures that you go to when talking about salvation and not try to use these
other scriptures that are that may seem kind of cryptic regarding baptism and salvation
you know it really depends on the context and where it's being used. Did you have uh Tony did
you have kind of a specific example or do we kind of answer your question? Yeah I'll give you a
specific example and I agree amen brothers um but the specific example that I have is people
thinking that Mark 16 16 and Acts 2 38 is talking about baptism of the Holy Spirit rather than
baptism by water you know in the Great Commission. Well I you know again I believe in in Acts chapter
2 you see kind of a baptism of the Holy Spirit upon the disciples there but when we talk about
Acts 2 38 you know they're kind of asking them like what should we do and the first one of the
thing is repent which is get saved and then of course when they bring up being baptized that's
obviously the water baptism that they would want them to do. I and I would think that Mark 16 16
is certainly water baptism as well just because you know that's the first step after getting saved
and it's in context of preaching the gospel Gilead all the world and preach the gospel every creature
is Mark 16 15 and then it clarifies that he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.
So I believe that that's definitely in reference to water baptism. I mean especially back then
people there was pretty much no hesitation. People found out that salvation was by faith and they
wanted to get baptized kind of immediately. That's what we see a common pattern in the
Old Testament. I believe that the baptism of the Holy Spirit was kind of a a special thing
that was happening to specific individuals in the book of Acts, that they were given a a special
anointing of the Holy Spirit so they could speak with tongues, they could perform certain miracles
and you know many of the disciples they were saving baptized for a long time before the
baptism the Holy Spirit came upon them. So I think that that's I think it's probably pretty
clear that those two references would be water baptism. I don't know if you've had another comment
Pastor Mejia. No that was good. What do you think Ben? I agree. Well Acts 2 38 specifically doesn't
make sense for the baptism there to be anything other than water because it says repent and be
baptized every one of you for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy
Ghost. So baptism is actually about the Holy Ghost proceeding. So I have to like to me the gift of
the Holy Ghost there's the filling of the Spirit so it's like I have to get the Spirit in order to
be filled with the Spirit. It's kind of a weird it doesn't fit the context doesn't even fit the
verse itself. Mark 16 I don't blame somebody for wanting to try to make that about the Holy
Spirit because then it gets rid of a quote problem passage so I understand the motivation
but I don't see it based on the context either. I've thought about it myself and I'm like is there
a way that it could fit but it's water baptism it's part of the Great Commission it's clearly in
reference to what Jesus Christ wanted converts to be doing. Yeah I grew up I grew up in a Pentecostal
church and they would always talk about this second experience after salvation where you'd get this
like baptism of the Holy Spirit and you'd start speaking in tongues and even most Pentecostals
they pretty much attribute you know the baptism of the Holy Spirit to a tongue speaking event.
I've never even in those churches they never pointed Acts 2 38 or Mark 16 16 as proof
and they're like super wanting proofs for you know the baptism of the Holy Spirit but you know
again I kind of believe that that was limited to that time period as kind of a special anointing
because you know the Bible gives us commandments to be filled with the Spirit and you know we're
supposed to sing to ourselves and we're supposed to basically work on increasing our being filled
with the Holy Spirit whereas I think back then God just kind of gave them just a supercharge like
hundred percent that's why they're being immersed or baptized or completely filled with the Holy
Spirit as a special miracle because think about it some of these people they got saved in the
book of Acts and then they immediately had the Holy Spirit come upon them and they're preaching
the gospel like that's not a normal experience today people aren't able to just have that much
special knowledge and ability to go so wanting I mean some people are saved for a long time before
they ever feel comfortable even bringing up a verse like these people are just like immediately
preaching the gospel and in a foreign language and they've never been studied it before
like this was a special thing because God wanted to to fast track the spreading of the gospel back
then he wasn't allowing time to to take its course so again I would limit that to a special
event and when it comes to Mark 16 16 I believe this is like a this is you know of course just
for all time I could see where they would come up with that because the ending of Mark does bring
up some of the apostolic gifts the gifts right that yeah so I've thought about it and like I said it
you know yeah I tried to make it fit I think you could if you want to but but again my point would
be like everybody that I know that saved a pastor doesn't preach that and even the Pentecostals
don't preach that so it would be such a weird reading into the text and it's not really it
makes more sense to couple water baptism considering that's the common pattern throughout
everywhere else in scripture. So I hope that addresses your question brother Tony. It does
and I really appreciate the in-depth response brothers. Thank you. Thank you. God bless. Have
a good night. We got one more caller. Let's go ahead and take one more caller. We got David
from San Antonio. Hey David how's it going? Can you hear us? Oh hi. Hello pastor. It's good being
back on here again. Yeah how's it going? Uh going good. Uh hello to you uh brother Bruce Mejia aka
Armando Dancin and of course brother Ben the Baptist himself. How's it going? I don't know
what he just said. Yeah. How's it going? Uh I'm sorry sorry I'm trying to talk into my mic because
I have my headphones on. No no I just don't understand the language. You got a you got a
question for us? Yeah. Oh yeah yes I wanted to talk about like because it's on the subject of
bad preachers like I've noticed a lot of like these preachers that you think about they're
what we would call on their spiritual high horde because I have a verse here that that applies to
them and right here in a second Timothy chapter three verse seven it's all these false prophets
they're ever learning and never even come to the knowledge of the truth because they just
they're just arrogant on it even I didn't see them in like the mainstream IFV like like for
example I know this one guy even a brother Stucky has uh has encountered him before but real arrogant
it is uh Dennis Correll I don't know if you all are familiar with him he was even on the
repentant blacklist okay yeah he was really big where is he where is he yeah he was really big
I don't know where he is I can't remember but he used to be very big with uh Jack Hiles he used to
preach a lot at how Vanderspun and he's a he's a known attacker of the NISB too like he's a he's
a clown basically did you so did you have a question for us yes uh yes like like how can
you deal with like those who are like defenders of these guys who are up on their spiritual high
horses especially when they're on their spiritual high horse like do I tell I like could you like
speak with them at least twice and then like cut them off or how would you approach them
well I mean here's the thing I don't I don't really uh try to approach these people at all
I mean if you know especially you know Michael Todd I don't want to go around him or hang out
with uh Steven Furtick and try to shop for sweaters or anything like that so you know again for the
most part you know I try to avoid these people. He shops in the men's department so you know
yeah he doesn't have that issue. Furtick shops in the ladies department so don't ever bump heads.
Yeah that is true but how would you approach like those who are part of their church like to try to
get them out like it's kind of my question. Well yeah I mean again I'm just I'm not really approaching
a lot of people except for just soul winning specifically and so to me you know I think that
I typically have the same approach you know you're just checking if they're saved and
if they have something specifically like a pet doctrine you know then you might have some verses
prepared but honestly I wouldn't it's not something that I think you need to really obsess about like
to me it's like these people are wicked you just kind of avoid them you know do so go soul winning
and like you share clips share clips of preaching or share verses with people that you think maybe
address certain issues if you like know them personally or you have kind of a relationship
with them already but you know I'm not I'm not like going over to to Michael Todd's church and
standing outside with a sign saying like hey this guy's you know bad you know come talk to me or
something it's like I'm just gonna live my life because you know the Bible says in Revelation
22 he that is filthy let him be filthy still so you know I think that yeah I'm not necessarily
pursuing those individuals I'm just gonna keep in my lane and of course if I do run
into somebody I'll discuss anything in the Bible but most important thing is making sure
they're saved because if they're going to church like this probably not even saved so you want
to get them saved first before you even bring up doctrine because otherwise it doesn't even matter
don't you experience that when you're talking with someone and they they're not even saved
like doctrinal discussion is worthless totally not worth it whatsoever I want to yield to
pastor Mejia and see if he has any thoughts you hanging out with false prophets lately or what
no like I have friends who are stuck in there and I'm trying to get them out
so I would say like you know first of all I'm what I think he's referring to is like IFB churches
because Dennis Corley is a fundamental baptist and so unfortunately a lot of the old IFB have
they have like false prophets preaching for them and you know you think of like someone
like Stacey Shiflett who mocks once you know he mocks faith alone and you know he uh mocks
the biblical way of salvation what do you do with people who are your friends who are under that
preaching or they think that those people are you know men of God the the first thing is is that I
don't I never approach them about it I wait for them to approach me and ask me about my opinion
regarding a doctrine or a person but secondly you know I don't want to cast my pearls before swine
and typically if I ever get into a discussion with someone in a member of the old IFB
regarding a particular you know false prophet or someone who maybe is not saved or preaching to
repent of your sins I'll just give them the biblical evidence and if they love the Bible
they love the truth they'll receive it and I'll convince them but if not then the Bible says he
that is ignorant let him be ignorant still and so if they want to remain in ignorance then all right
see you know that's to your detriment and I don't really associate with people who are willingly
under that kind of preaching. I don't really like to be friends with people like that because you
know I want to be around people who love the truth and if they give me an inkling that they
don't love the truth and they're just ignoring the clear evidence that someone's a false prophet
then see you later you know I'm not going to waste my time. Yeah well thanks so much for calling in
brother David and asking those questions. Again I would just advise you you know just try to avoid
those kind of individuals. Since you mentioned Stacey Shifflett I saw name was dropped I saw
a post on Twitter today from a guy that says he's a Baptist Ben the Baptist I don't know if we can
pull up I tried to send it to my crew I wonder if they can pull up this tweet pull it up let's see
what's interesting is I post so so I saw your your Twitter post you retweeted him and you kind of
or you quote tweeted him you basically I quote tweet you put some information on a lot of people
so I clicked on his comment and I I basically posted a comment like I responded I saw and what
did you do remember what I said you I said so what does repent me yeah does God repent of us I said
what does repent mean when God does it and then I just posted John or Jonah 310 that's right and
then he blocked me I can't view the post I had to switch what a weasel I had to switch accounts to
even view the post now so what a stinking weasel sorry sorry it's taking us a second to pull this
up but you know I guess when you ask like I it wasn't even an insincere question it's a legit
question he doesn't want to interact with his argument the guy posted this thing about how
pull up his big we don't believe in his comment we don't believe in repentance correctly well okay
we've responded to your claim interact with the argument no yeah he just blocks you this is the
same guy who got all upset because brother luke from verity called him had the audacity to call
him and ask him about salvation what does he believe about something could you imagine pastor
shelly pastor me here somebody calling you and asking you hey what do you believe about salvation
how do you go to heaven and you getting upset about that it's weird i mean this guy so this
guy's post for those that are just listening maybe it says repentance with big like you know
warnings labels here i'm talking about the old-fashioned holy ghost rending new testament
requiring soul saving kind not this newfangled water downturned from unbelief to belief definition
that's called believing and then you can't see it on the post i don't know if they can click the
show more or not but it says repentance and believing are two sides of the same coin but
they are not the same thing it takes both that's so funny to me because it'd be like saying like
looking at the back of a penny and saying it's not a penny and then looking in the front saying it is
a penny it's like you know i don't i don't mind people when they say it's the two sides of the
same coin because it is true like someone commented i liked some of the comments someone was saying
it's like saying come over here and get in the car he's like in order to get in the car you have
you got to come over here right and he said like so repenting is the coming over here in the sense
that you're changing what you believe to then believe the gospel because in order to believe
the gospel you have to change your mind like you have to that's what i put i said in order to
believe one must turn from under yeah what did you let's read your comment a little bit what did
you put here i i mean i thought i was fair in my response axe 19 4 then said paul john verily
baptized with the baptism of repentance saying to people that they should believe on him which
should come after him that is on christ jesus in order to believe one must turn from unbelief
that's repentance yeah i mean the guy's just a clown i mean here's the thing how how does
you how do you take your definition of repentance and then apply it to god because he repents plenty
of times in the bible now not to mention the book of jeremiah talks about repenting of good things
so pastor me here what do you think yeah i think the guy is a flaming false prophet i think he's a
wolf in sheep's clothing and you know these guys who just kind of go out of their way to preach a
repent of your sins doctrine like that and attack um you know easy believism are extremely wicked
these aren't people who are confused about it and they're just straddling the fence and you know i'm
sure a lot of his uh advocates and supporters who still don't seem to believe that this guy
does not believe in the right type of salvation you know i'm sure they're going to say why don't
you call him brother you know why don't you have a conversation with him but apparently you guys
have tried and he's blocked you so he's not trying to have a conversation about it he just wants to
foment this false doctrine and not be accountable for it and so the guy is a complete clown he's
a false prophet here i'll bring stacy shifflett on the show any day any time he wants to explain
to us what repentance really means as long as i can you know explain my position like but again
these people don't want to talk about it and it's kind of funny like if you're not supposed to ask
the pastor how to be saved who in the world are you allowed to ask who are you supposed to clarify
and he made some comment like i'm not going to respond to every single comment on twitter and
it's like okay that's fine but how else does someone contact you though like do they have to
be tithing at your church well then maybe you talk to them or like what's the what's the requirement
here and again it's it's frustrating frustrating to see a lot of people defend him still in spite
of these clear statements that he's made about his belief on repentance yeah and so you know are these
people being respecter of people what's the deal you know i just can't necessarily go ahead brother
ben i would just want to say i just don't see how that's possible he's made it so clear that
he believes in work salvation i don't know how anybody could still defend him pastor mehia yeah
he's a he's a wolf among lambs well there's a there's another comment says the easy believism
crowd isn't going to like you it's like okay yeah at least they know and then this is someone
comments on that comment and said is it hard to be saved of course they're not going to like him
we hate every false way do you want to be the team that's like we believe in hard believism
like what like if you don't believe in easy believism what do you believe difficult works
yeah oh we believe salvation's hard and it's my works okay well they don't like it when you call
them out and say they believe in works they're like i don't believe in works i just don't believe
its faith alone okay and if i grace then it is no more of works otherwise grace is no more grace
oh man yeah they even stacy shiflett did this in one of his sermons where he's like you know
people accuse me of teacher work salvation i'm not teacher work salvation i'm just saying you
got to turn from your sins i'm thinking like okay can you explain how it's not worked you you claim
it's not yeah how can you tell me how no you can't because it is and you're a heretic that's turning
from sin is literally an obedience to god's command and so and if the bible says that we're
not saved by the commandments because that's considered work then it's works jona 3 10 therefore
we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law it just drives me
insane because the word is repent is a neutral word like i alluded to a few moments ago in
jeremiah 18 10 if i do evil in my sight that it obey not my voice then i will repent of the good
wherewith i said i would benefit them so it's possible to repent of something that is good
because the word is neutral but what shiflett does is he attaches of sins to every single mention of
the word making it nonsensical and it doesn't matter how often we repeat this they just ignore
the point and they respond with well you just don't believe in repentance okay yeah i don't
believe in repentance he brought back the 30 pieces of silver felt sorrow and he still split
hell wide open bingo i'm getting pissed because he believed not from the beginning exactly i'm
trying i'm trying thank you pastor mahiya for trying to share some sense a screenshot it's like
again i i just comment on the thing and i'm just like okay so then what does it mean when god
repents and blocked blocked that's what it means it's like like how can you have zero and this is
this is the best part though i want you to show the proof i want to show the proof if you can
but this is the meanest of the best part i don't have time to respond to all these comments and
look at what everybody's saying but obviously you had plenty of time to look at my comment and read
it and decide that you need to block me right i mean the guy that just doesn't have time to
manage his twitter account he has plenty of time to block people that ask him really sincere genuine
questions like and here's the thing if someone asked that genuine question it's not like i'm
the only person has a brain with that would like to potentially see or have that answered so it's
like okay there was no ad hominems you didn't come at him like you devil worshiping piece of filth
answer my question like you just asked a theological question yeah but i'm saying somebody else has
got to have that question probably like sincerely why wouldn't you want to answer it like i'm not
even i'm not even mad necessarily when we have trolls or somebody asks questions or whatever it's
like okay well i'll just answer the question because you know there is a there is an answer
to that question like or even if you don't even if you choose not to answer just leave the question
up like why even block it so other people can't see it yeah like who was afraid of what's the
purpose of like blocking you and hiding the comment there's times when people ask me questions and
i'm not going to look through every single question but i'm not going to block people
you know blocking someone would be like i don't want anybody to get this idea in their head or
something or have the same question or something yeah i've blocked people on twitter that are bots
and spam or like showing gross pictures of stuff but it's it's like i've never i've never blocked
somebody because they asked me a question with the bible like was it you know again these are
the defenders of the faith this is the guy that's earnestly contending for the faith which was once
delivered into the saints hey what does jonah 3 10 mean blocked hey uh will you you explain your
position on repentance in these verses no will you come on the show no he's like debate your
position he's like i hate pastor shelly for he never prophesied good concerning me but evil
i actually like the guy i visited his church and i've even sat in his office and had conversations
with him and i want to like the guy but he just he will not answer these questions he will not
he will not tell you what he believes on these things he won't address them he's not being
sincere about it like it's just you know it's just bad i don't know what to say i think we
should go to another video otherwise i'm just going to keep did you want to do this one here
with uh winger again since we're on the topic of salvation let's yeah that's fine we'll save the
end consider two clear categories i'll be right back fuzzy categories of people a christian who's
clearly a christian as far as you can tell you have real strong reason to believe they're
christians an unsafe person who's clearly unsaved like you okay you've got them then you have these
other categories where you've got like a person who um claims to be a christian but they're really
not saved and then there's a person who like you claims to be a christian they're they're saved but
you but you could barely tell right like they're in that fuzzy zone and you have these groups of
people who you go are you the unsaved person who pretends to be christian or are you the
safe person who just has a lot of compromise but you're still going to be saved i don't know how
to unfuzzy these two groups personally i know there's warnings towards them i know there's
warnings towards them hey if you're living these lifestyles you're not going to inherit the kingdom
but how do i know how much sin is so much where i go you're clearly not saved now am i saying
that your your sin made you unsaved no i'm saying your sin reveals that your claim to believe in
jesus is not genuine you don't have real faith but how do i know like where exactly where's the
exact moment where i go one less issue of sin that's clear you'd be saved one more you're not
like how could you even know you're saved we don't know this so there's this his whole videos i don't
know paul just warns people he goes hey look if you're in this zone like you're in the scary zone
get over here where your life is clearly scary zone oh where your life is in christ or where you
believe a false gospel um this doesn't mean i go around saying you're saved you're unsaved
look if you reject jesus you're unsaved if you embrace jesus and your life appears generally
consistent with the gospel of christ i would be like i feel confident you're saved but we need
his list of how many i'm gonna i'm gonna be hopeful i hope you're saved i just don't know
because i have these warnings in scripture and i'm not sure how they apply to you
that is the reality um a lot of pastors feel compelled to tell everybody who's even remotely
in this group that they're all saved and this is very heartwarming and i feel the compulsion i want
to tell you that but i don't think it's biblically true i think it's okay to be a little scared
sometimes because your lifestyle is contradicting your claims of faith it's okay to be scared to
doubt your salvation if that's you and you're listening god has given us a spirit of scared
the the answer is not to grow despondent or depressed and not to be all woe is me those
are all the bad things that got you into this situation get the sin out of your life is to
turn your faith and trust in christ genuinely oh get saved again have an attitude of repentance
and pray god help me have a real attitude of repentance here and have words there the
bear fruit that shows that that was genuine get saved again and have one solution is turning your
life and focusing on jesus that's why these people get saved every week this is what got you into
this mess that kind of thing let me explain to you why what passage is he is he referencing
pastor mehia uh it wasn't in the clip what passage is he referencing it what it wasn't in the clip
and i can't tell you specifically but pastor mehia he is responding in the in that clip to
passages like first corinthians six uh verse eight where it lists these bunch of sins
and then it says they're not going to inherit the kingdom of god you know there's several places
in scripture like that revelation 21 eight first green things chapter six so he's trying to say
basically that if you have too much sin in your life you're not really saved it's pastor mike
winger oh he's a pastor who is the pastor of bible thinker online ministry so he pastors a
computer screen he passes a computer screen he's a uh i got the verse i got the verse galatians
521 envyings murders drunkenness revelings and such like of the which i tell you before as i've
also told you in time past that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of god
that was him expounding on that passage there yeah i mean galatians chapter five is absolutely
right and it starts off with saying that the works of the flesh are made manifest and obviously in
the bible when it talks about flesh it uses it synonymously with that which is corrupted right
which is why when we get saved you know the only aspect of our being that is immediately redeemed
is our spirit but our flesh remains corrupted which is why there's a constant battle between
the flesh and the spirit if once we got saved the batteries came included if we did not sin
that there would be no need for a command to walk in the spirit to not fulfill the lust of the flesh
so the immediate the solution to the sinfulness of our flesh is the resurrection which is crazy
to me that you know some of these guys you know they always talk about you know oh man you just
have to have true repentance they're trying to fix a problem that only the resurrection can fix
you know they're always trying to repent of their sins and not sin this way and making sure that we
just live a complete clean life absent of sin but that's never going to happen you know God
this side of eternity that's only going to happen at the resurrection when we receive the redemptions
of our bodies and so you know the Galatians chapter 5 is absolutely right these are the
works of the flesh and the Bible tells us in first Corinthians 15 that flesh and blood shall not
inherit the kingdom of God which is why it requires a glorification of the body in order to go to heaven
you know at the rapture amen first Corinthians 6 9 I got the the verse wrong it was verses 9
through 11 that he likes to misquote as well or misinterpret let me just say this the whole point
of that video is to make you doubt your salvation if you have a certain number of sins in your life
that's the whole point and to get resaved and to get resaved and do more work to determine that
you're really saved so you could have an unsuspecting Christian maybe they're backslidden
maybe they're not going to church maybe they're not necessarily living a very spiritual life at
the moment right now and they come across this video by Mike Winger the beta male and they listen
to him speak and they say to themselves I must not really be saved or they start to doubt he said
you should be scared that's okay to be scared the Bible says these things have I written under you
that believe on the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life that you
may know Mike Winger says you can't really know because if you have a certain number of arbitrary
sins that I can't tell you how many there are then you're not really saved to begin with go to hell
how do you really feel I just said perfect love casts it out fear you know God did not give us a
spirit of fear but of power love in a sound mind you know if I could only pastor YouTube churches
I'd be out of a job these guys with the YouTube man they think they are like the greatest things
in sliced bread give me a break well yes I have a channel but you know I'm not Mike Winger okay
yeah and I get 10 views if the woke the most woke company in the world is the one promoting me
maybe I'm not really the best pastor like like have you ever thought about hey Mike Winger you
know who also is popular on YouTube uh Transformation Church and Michael Todd so what does that say
like oh I'm being promoted on YouTube I must be good it's like yeah look at all the other people
that are popular on YouTube so how does that justify the fact that you even have a church or
a path I mean who are you shepherding you're shepherding literally no one you literally
I mean imagine being an online shepherd pixels yeah but just saying like what do you do for a
living I raise sheep oh how many sheep do you have well I just do it online can I read this
verse real quick because yeah the fact that he said like you should be scared is such a wicked
statement and it's obviously he's divulging the fact that he himself is not saved because
the bible says in Romans 8 uh in verse number 15 but ye have not received the spirit of bondage
again to fear but ye have received the spirit of adoption whereby we cry abba father the spirit
itself bear with witness with our spirit that we're the children of god and so the fact that he
says he's a little scared and other people should be scared he's obviously saying that he has that
spirit of bondage he's not a child of god because of the fact that he doesn't know if he's saved but
you know we know that we're saved because based upon the promises of god not based upon my obedience
or you know my conduct my conversation it's based upon what god says in his word amen pastor mehia
here's a question let's try to apply saving faith is never a lone doctrine right so if you have
somebody in your church and they backslide they get into alcohol drunkenness and they drop out
of church and you go meet with them according to this doctrine if you want to actually be consistent
with it you wouldn't try to get them you know turn away from that sin necessarily you would
have to take them to the roman's road it's like hey you're backslidden you're a drunk now don't
you realize that we're all sinners deserving of hell and you have to believe on jesus doesn't make
any sense that's stupid nobody does that in practice like in a practical way no one literally
says oh you're backslidden you're in this particular sin you're a drunk whatever in
fornication let me preach the gospel to you that salvation is by faith alone like what
well again hear the thing their gospel isn't faith alone their gospel is works they claim it is so
they will preach works to them right they'll be like hey you don't really have the fruits of the
spirit buddy you haven't really repented of all your sins you need to repent of all your sins so
they can't preach them the right gospel they have to their gospel is not a once for all gospel it's
a constant repeated lifestyle evangelism it's the blind leading the blind into the ditch
let's go ahead let's go to another clip here we got your favorite preacher kenneth copeland
and uh give you a chance to raise your income praise god you missed the place to shout right
there that you need to get used to this now i can see why i can get into it now glory to god of course
all of our so he gets demon possessed here in this clip for the outreaches of kenneth copeland
ministries and and especially kenneth copeland ministries canada and it is and and the the
territories under which the canadian office uh is
in
he just goes on like nothing happened
he's like an all-star agent or something
next time i forget what i'm about to say that's what i need to do
good idea actually
lose your train of thought and just go crying and dying i think the best part of it is he just he
totally just ignored the fact that he just did that knowing because like that there is of course
i don't believe in speaking even though i don't believe in this modern day understanding of
speaking tongues first trillions fourteens is you have to have an interpreter where was the
interpretation maybe he was interpreting his own thing that's why he kept talking maybe they all
speak gobbledygook so it doesn't really you know they they all understood we just didn't understand
you need to get saved in so you can understand what he said evidently that was like the most
entertaining speaking in tongues i've ever seen actually that's pretty funny goobily gobbly i
thought you i thought he was gonna do the thing where he like he's like doing the slot machine
have you seen that one i don't know if we can find or not but there's this one of kenneth gopland
and he's he's screaming he's like money come to me now he's like screaming at the top of his lungs
i like the the the wind blow like remix that he made for covid or whatever how he's gonna blow
covid away or something aren't we still in the two week slow the spread or they never go away or
what happened i have no idea well we're not on youtube so we can at least mention it but all
right let's what do you have another copeland clip or what what was the oh we got uh yeah well here
we go what is this lever sticking up out there in front you get a hold of it and i mean you get it
in your hand you got your teeth gritted you got a good grip on it and grip it down some more and
you say that everybody's doing it look at the people all the women okay you shout about it
all right so when the bible warns about people being greedy for the liquor or like the sin of
covetousness mind of these people like i'm screaming at the top of my lungs money in the
house of god what how could you ever justify that seems like a borderline case of someone who is
covetous i know people that like him and i've i've showed them you know people that like show them
these clips and they still defend this guy so i mean i'm that's i'm just thinking like what does
covetousness look like to you like to me it would be like hey if someone's standing in church
screaming about money like coming to them that might be covetous you might be covetous if you're
in church screaming money just a tad a little bit like i'm all for hallelujahs and stuff but
that's you know i've never been in a church service where we were all screaming money come to me i
appreciate my my crew for indulging me because i honestly didn't even do it justice it was way
worse than i i remember you were sub but i didn't i didn't want to like over exaggerate it yeah let's
get the under the best preacher in the world the joker himself it did not come easy and i'm 45
years down the road but i finally only 45 maybe in the last like 15 years i can say that i don't
waste any of my time feeling guilty i really like who i am i don't want to be like anybody else i
don't compare myself with other people i've got some faults and i can tell you what they are
but i've got a lot of good things going on too and so you need to learn to celebrate the progress
you've made instead of being mad at yourself because you still have a ways to go how old do
you think this clip even is it can't be that old it's modern online it says she's 80 years old
well maybe it was like 45 years from a particular event like how long she's been preaching yeah
or something like that i don't know that's old she's been preaching a false gospel for a long
plastic that is like a profit a painted on grin like the joker yeah why is it why does she have
like this perpetual weird grin thing is it plastic surgery or something like that i think they like
did a tuck or they like they went like this folder she's just like can you imagine when she's mad
that is that is a clown right i'm so mad at you that is a clown get i get off the train i can't i
can't even look at it can't even look at it it's so vain like what's she her hair is shorter than
almost every preacher like she has shorter hair than steven furtick what is the outfit she's
wearing these people just have the weirdest outfits leopard skin maybe like this is this is a modern
day christianity yeah a woman looking like it the clown getting up and telling you you should never
feel guilty about anything and how wonderful she is she's a god never matter she has another she
wrote a book called that she has another clip where she celebrates that she got a tattoo let's
do let's give that one the tattoo clip across back there and it says i belong to jesus that's a tattoo
another jesus and just for good measure i put love on my foot to remind me to walk in love of course
day he got a flag let's say i could get it mixed up all the time oh there's a guy this one guy we've
got dragged there by the ear dave's 82 and got a tattoo this this is what the modern day church is
about tattoos and in what way are they fulfilling the commandment that says let women keep silence
in the church there's no silent woman there it's like the loudest church service it's like a bunch
of seals this makes the new ifd seem quiet literal seals but here's the reason why i'm
telling you this this is the kind of stuff that we do the whole thing is it's between me and god
leviticus 1928 and when i stand before god on judgment day uh-oh before he makes any
decision about me he's not going to call any one of you and say is there anything you'd like to add
about joey's let her own words can give her at least she admitted she's going to be there on
judgment day you know give her a standing o each of us is going to stand before god and give an
account of our life and he's not going to ask somebody else what they think about what we did
do you honestly think that i'm yeah because all of them like you and god doesn't care he's going to
condemn you it's an honor to god let's stop the judging the criticizing please and really just
don't bother writing me letters telling me you think it's i won't i mean they're there they're
not going away i like them i don't have any conviction about it and there may even be people
here that think it's wrong and i'm okay with that i'm really okay with everybody having their
opinion but i have a right to mine too your opinion sucks and this is what we got to get
through our head if you think something's wrong don't do it let's let's stop i can't let's stop
getting a tattoo at the age of 80 of a cross on your back you know that thing's looking like
a steak or something or a spear all the skin sagging what probably doesn't even look like
a cross anymore she's putting love on her ankle and it probably looks like cursive writing now
you could see how like some worldly guy is going in to apply at the tattoo parlor and and they're
like look dude lots of times girls come in here and take off their shirt and give them a tattoo
and he's thinking cool and then it's joyce byer he's like you guys ever do like the uh biology
thing where you had to like you know you get the frog and you have to pin the skin to kind of like
stretch it out you know when you're dissecting like an animal yeah you have to like pin it to
like stretch you kind of wonder if that's maybe what they have to do to her in order to actually
do the cross you know what i mean it just kind of stretch out her skin and just then it won't look
right they won't look right when it's what it like folds back in or whatever yeah i'm sure they
weren't like sitting here like please can i do it they were probably like hey it's your turn get
the new guy hit the new guy they probably have to do what they probably have to do is if you
remember those old comic strips like mad magazine you know it would be like a fold in and so you
have like a picture and you know you fold it out and it becomes like another picture so that's
probably what they have to do to her back you know all the skin kind of folds and then you just kind
of unfold and you just get another mural inside or something like that i'm just trying to guess of
how that worked you know i don't know many 80 year olds that are getting tattoos like that
like i would think like the tattoo guy she's like hey i want to cross on my back and he just started
laughing he's like what are you serious he's like i don't know if you'll survive that she's like
you're obviously joking look at your face you can't stop smiling she's like sorry that's how i am
sounds like a dude too well that was she admitted that she's gonna be there on judgment day though
you know it's it's i don't be accountable for her works i don't know that he's violating
first dimothy 212 or first corinthians 1434 at all because that's a man well you know at the end of
the day being a false preacher is not good being a woman preacher is worse but being a false
preacher is not good i agree with that she just says no she has no she she she's struck out in
every way but you know joel joel's wife is a preacher too i think we have a clip from her
vicki see jesus was man until god touched him and put the spirit of the living god on the inside of
him oh man that's encouraging today what the hell was that so jesus wasn't god jesus was just a man
until god touched him and put the spirit of god on him so maybe at his baptism so did he became god
so did he become a god yeah that's what vicki is teaching us here oh jezbel i'm actually surprised
i've never even heard that before but that's so blasphemous like i would think even people in
his church would be offended by that that's that's surprising so you brought up jezebel is is this
what the revelation to woman was like you think i think this is worse because god actually gave
you know jezebel space to repent you know yeah well it's definitely not joyce meyer because no
one's gonna sleep with that well joyce meyer is a man so it doesn't qualify yeah no one's
no one's gonna it's still yeah it's still a no jezebel did paint her face on though so there's
that little parallel that's true hey that's a different jezebel though i don't know we're
going to ahab's wife here right right right hillary hillary clinton is do we have another clip i
guess play it if we got it i want to remind every one of us today that we are not victims to our
circumstances but we are victors see god called us more than conquerors we're not a slave to
circumstances we're not captivated by our own thoughts but we can think the thoughts of heaven
we can literally think the thoughts of our champion jesus christ he says that we are more
than conquerors through christ jesus you know what when i think of a conqueror you know what i think
i just picture this this ring with two boxers in there and i think about these boxers and how they
have those big old boxing gloves on and they they smack each other in the face and you know what they
don't fall down they keep on at it they keep at it they keep at it because they're champions they
don't go into that ring thinking they're anything less but a champion now if they get knocked down
have you ever watched them they bounce back up see champions have all the time bounce back
god has called you a champion in jesus christ god has said you have a bounce back but how do we keep
this mental bounce back how do we keep this emotional bank account 12 minutes long by the
way all right let's just stop i mean i'll be honest nothing she said i really disagree with
in general i mean she's just i do i mean what about the whole boxing smacking you don't smack
in boxing well smack them around the face yeah obviously i don't like the way she's saying it
but i'm just saying like she's just saying we should bounce back from sure the obstacles of
life she's really yeah she's not so bad that's i i would way rather go to that than george meyer
yeah but here's the thing even if they say things that are right it's still wrong
she shouldn't be preaching right i agree so that's that's the bigger deal let's go to this
jew oh no man bible says for zion's sake i will not keep silent and for jerusalem's sake i will
not i like the graph christians united for israel are not keeping silent we are speaking out in the
defense of israel and the jewish people israel is not a political issue israel is a bible issue
king david commanded all believers everywhere for all time pray for the peace of jerusalem
what verse is that prosper that love you david writes just always pray no matter what who made heaven
and earth listen behold he that keepeth israel neither slumbers nor sleeps that word keepeth
is a military term meaning to defend he who defends israel neither slumbers nor sleeps
there's an all-seeing eye constantly watching israel and it's god almighty man i am ready i
don't know about you guys just no matter what just pray for the peace of let's go to israel
what about what about what jeremiah was told by god not to pray for the people and they were living
in jerusalem this stop too much bible too much common sense stop i mean was jeremiah like was god
telling him to sin because david had already written that psalm so that psalm would have been
accessible to jeremiah and he would have had it are we are we what do we think do you pray for
jerusalem every day past me here or what yes no i don't i pray for it you know i you know i think
of it like elijah that he may get the intercessions against israel you know i like to follow the
examples of the for the men of the bible kind of go according to their pattern there well since
you know all the men and and and romans towards the latter end of romans uh chapter 10 and the
beginning of romans 9 or excuse me beginning of romans 11 you have all these great men of god
making these imprecatory prayers against israel well i like how they they kind of twist things
because he he says like the bible says and then he's like for all people for all time
to pray for jerusalem and then he quotes the scripture and it's like yeah the scripture
says pray for Jerusalem but doesn't say for all people for all time he just adds that and then
kind of makes it seem like that's what the verse saying whereas jeremiah 7 16 god's telling jeremiah
pray not thou for this people neither lift up prying nor prayer for them neither make intercession
to me for i will not hear thee well that's an excellent point but how do you apply pray for
the priests of jerusalem priests excuse me pray for the peace of jerusalem how do you apply that
in 2024 well here's the thing they're not they weren't praying for buildings back then they
weren't praying for inanimate objects they're praying for the people which the people were the
people of god so you would just pray for the people god people pray for pastor mahiya when
his church is bombed we pray for that's a good idea pastor jimenez when his church is surrounded
by 600 sodomites we pray for the peace of jerusalem in that context but yeah i'm not praying for a
physical building and i'm not praying for a bunch of god-hating synagogue of satan individuals to
just have peace no matter what well i guess we got to ask ourselves you know um are there
bible-believing christians in jerusalem is is there a house of god there there's not
because in psalm 122 in general psalm 122 tells us for my brethren and companions sake i will
now say pray with peace be within thee because of the house of the lord our god i will seek thy good
and so obviously during that time you had the temple you had believers there but now you know
the bible describes israel as being spiritually sodom and egypt and you know there is no temple
of god there you know the bible tells us that the church is the is the is the house of god the
pillar and ground of truth that believers are the temple of the holy ghost so that means that we
should be praying for other brethren we should be praying for churches not for a nation that has
completely rejected jesus christ and mocks him then i want to we're getting kind of late on the
show but i do want to play a couple of these stanley clips because they to me they encapsulate
the worst preaching i don't know we've seen some really bad stuff but in the same vein as some of
the earlier videos andy stanley really just makes me angry let's go ahead play this clip you don't
seem to like him if one of us christians has attempted has attempted to impose one of our
christian rules on you i'm sorry um you know anyone who said but the bible says or jesus said or god
you know and they they just try to impose one of the our christian rules on you i just want you to
know i am so sorry how you choose to live your life is really none of our business this is a
context this is an apology to fact send it by one of us that this is completely on us but this is
what he said you're gonna love this lead a quiet life and you should mind your own business where
did you get i thought we weren't allowed to say jesus says we are to impose our rules our family
rules on people who don't even want to be in our family but one last thing while the rules don't
apply to you as love the rules don't apply to you he loves you as if you are already in this is no
morality related to him why does anybody go to hell if the rules don't apply to them so he got
he got in a lot of heat for preaching pro homo messages and then he made this like apology to
the homos like i'm so sorry that any christians ever said the bible says or jesus says now let
me say that jesus says 2013 even apply to well he calls them clobber passages i think we have
another clip let's let's play another clip clobber passages the gay men and women who grew up in
church and the gay men and women who've come to faith in christ as adults who want to participate
in our church oh my goodness i know first corinthians six and i know leviticus and i
know roman's one it's so interesting to talk about all that stuff is it but just oh my goodness a gay
man or woman who wants to worship their heavenly father who did not answer the cry of their heart
when they were 12 and 13 and 14 and 15 god said no and they still love god they don't we have
some things to learn i like how he has fire like surrounding Jesus someone made it with us
special effects we gotta figure this out and you know what i think you are i think you wouldn't
come to a conference like this or you wouldn't have come back right we are and we'll be criticized
for it go ahead and go to the other clip but i give this longer one of them they don't want
to worship god they want to worship the creature more than the creator i'm 26 years old oh this is
someone getting baptized in this church what is this what what are we looking at going through
the motions when it came to this is a homo and attending church this is a tranny i've always
taught that the bible was a book of rules and god was the rule master this brought on a lot of fear
when thinking about having a close and personal relationship with jesus christ the people in my
life that mattered to me the most i don't know if this is like a dude trying to be a girl or girl
trying to be a dude i'm sure it's a chick trying to pretend to be a dude for god to love and accept
that for some reason the blackness of darkness forever and anyone else's in september of 2014
i had a decision that would completely alter my life and everyone around it die including my
friends family your decision should be to die i was lucky to meet up with elaine scott and clay
scroggans immediately church in order to see can we skip this one bullet head took to receive a
make you suffer into his heart i'm not looking at it that's not the answers i need exactly as you are
it's a woman and the confidence that comes from knowing that your life is forever a pastor
baptizing and i am this tranny honored to do your best oh that's the pastor based upon your
profession of faith it's like an assistant pastor in the name of the father and the son
and the holy spirit keep them under keep them under yes so so it's like people act like oh
ailey stanley's preaching doesn't affect anything or whatever all these pro homo messages but then
he's now having trannies baptized in the church open trannies it's not even like you know from
their perspective they're not even trying to like stop being a trainee they're not even like repent
of your sins like they're just open trannies yeah now no need to even repent this is just
insane he i i want to make sure i have the other clip do we have the oh yeah show this tweet
this is a tweet from andy stanley he said i don't do gay weddings but i can't say i would never do
a wedding if my granddaughter asked me someday maybe i would you know the only reason he doesn't
do gay weddings is because he hasn't been asked yet apparently well i think every wedding's a gay
wedding but not everyone is a faggot pedophile wedding not everything's a mockery of marriage
it's a two sodomites play play this last clip of him and maybe maybe you could join me in this
hatred for andy stanley let him explain this i met a family in our children's ministry a husband wife
and their elementary school age daughter and we got to be friends and meal together i did a couple
of funerals for um parents and just you know not super best friends but knew them tracked with them
knew what's going on see them at church about five five and a half years ago she discovers that he's
in a relationship with another guy and it's was it devastating of course and it breaks her heart and
there's you know there's just the deceit and all the stuff that goes with with those kinds of things
and of course confusing for their daughter and embarrassing it's just it's just it's just a big
mess it's embarrassing so she gets an attorney um you know and and to their credit they asked the
attorney to represent their daughter so that however this worked out it would be best for her
so a single attorney worked this out it'd be better six months they're divorced and there's
all the shrapnel and all the wounds and all the betrayal and all the confusion and all the you
know all it's all there you've been through that you've seen it you have family members
whether whatever kind of divorce it is it's just all there and it's as painful as it can possibly
be and then some months after the divorce was finalized he shows up here at our north point
campus with his partner and she's here and it was either easter or christmas i can't remember it
was a it was it was a big sunday and she is mad at add three syllable mad okay she is upset she
is you know she's like you would feel if it was you or your sister your daughter is like she got
a space she said look this is my church you know you cause this problem you go to any church you
want to in atlanta but you can't come to this is my church i need a worship free i need a trauma
free zone and so you go somewhere basically she kicked him and his partner out of our church and
so they left well as you know we have someone was willing to kick them out of church turned out they
decided to attend a different one of our churches and it was the one that was closest to them so
they attended buckhead church and as the story goes the very if i remember this right the very
first sunday they showed up at buckhead church was our strategic service sunday and a strategic
service sunday we spend the entire time recruiting people to volunteer and i and i cast a big vision
and you know we're going to change the world come help us change the world and so my friend's
partner said hey i like this church i think we should get involved so on the first sunday they're
there they go down and sign up to be a strategic service and join a host team one of our guest
services teams well a few weeks go by and i'm checking on her how's it going and she said
that's good you know we talked about the you know she kicked them out of the church and how's that
going you know and and she said well the good news i guess is that they're back in church i said oh
great where she said they're going to buckhead church she said then she kind of chuckled and
she said not only that they're serving i said really she said yeah they joined a host team now
what i knew and i double checked with her to make sure i was correct was the last i where we had
left off was he my friend's partner and he's a friend now but back then not so much my friend's
partner was still he became a closer friend and so i said to her i said now he's still married
right and she said yeah the divorce is taking longer than they expect it's kind of getting
dragged out so i called my buddy and said okay i know things have been awkward you know between
us but look and i'm glad you're in church that's a good thing and i'm glad you're at one of our
churches you know that's a good thing but your partner he's he's still married so see this is
just good old-fashioned adultery like you're in a sexual relationship with someone else's husband
you know it was you know i've never said that before but anyway so i said so you can't be on
a guest services team okay this is you're just living in you know this is clear and he you know
he he said and he's getting on him for adultery it's funny now it wasn't funny then he said well
he's married but he's almost divorced okay we're oh he's almost divorced they're at the very end
i'm like you can't be almost divorced okay you're married or you're not as long as he's married
you can't serve on a guest services team and so i kind of kicked him off the team he said well
my partner he's going to be really upset about this because he loved the church and he loved
the fact that we're going to be able to connect i said well you know what i'll i'll talk to you
if you guys want to come in i'll talk to you about this so they came in to see me now a few weeks
ago during the an rice message i introduced some of you to a new word the new word was disputatious
okay disputatious so when they came to see me the three of us had a disputatious conversation
it was really really awkward and bad and to the to our you know to my friends partner's defense
it's because they showed up at buckhead church and they never saw me down there just pause it for a
second you know at any moment he's gonna say he's gonna end up saying like my partner's friend or
something like like this is so funny to me is they they kind of say like you know christian is not
like a bunch of rules and you know we're not just imposing all these rules on people like
don't be a faggot but but then he's actually applying rules on this individual and the reason
why it's so confusing is because he's unwilling to apply the right rules because if he applied
the right rules he would never have to address this specific situation he's like i wonder why
like it's so confusing the bible doesn't address this kind of a weird scenario or whatever it's
just like uh it already did he should have been stoned to death he should have another funeral
that would be the solution but of course he's now trying to explain to a faggot why he can't serve
on a team not because he's a faggot but because he's committing an adulterous type of faggotry
he's not being faithful in his faggot relationship well he's not being a faithful fag and here's the
thing it'd be okay he here's what his instructions are divorce your wife be in the relationship with
this other dude then you can serve at our church but as long as you're married to a woman you can't
serve at our church right like let's just play the rest of this clip because it's just so bad
and so he said how can you kick me off out of a church you're not even the pastor there i'm like
well you're right so i did what every great leader does i said let me give you the name and number
you're a great leader at buckhead church and you can call him and talk to him about this all of
our churches have different pastors and so i gave him jeff henderson's name and i called jeff and
said someone's gonna call you it might be disputatious and so to their credit to their credit because
who's got time for this they talked to jeff and jeff said as long you know you're married this is
just adultery you can't serve on a guest services team and so understandably they um left the church
oh and you know if i were them and saw the world the way they saw it at the time i would leave to
who wants to go to a church that says oh we want you to come help us oh you can't help us
so they left the church wow wow did he say if he was them he would have left the church too
is that what he said that if he was them he would have left the church too he should just leave the
church for sure he should just leave this earth i mean this this guy i feel like he was just angry
that his buddy didn't pick him that he picked this other dude and he's just like booed him out
yeah so he's like you know fine then just leave you know whatever what kind of i ben what do you i
want to hear what you have to say on this issue do you like this i don't know what we just listened
to but i could tell you this that uh this is a predator this is a revolting sick sub human
degenerate and this person needs to leave the planet immediately well this is this is what i
think is so funny about the story too if you pay attention he's like i wasn't really a friend with
him back then but after he came out as a faggot and divorced his wife and started sleeping with
another dude then we became really good friends i'm like oh what did you come in common with
after that like you know you become friends with people because you have commonality it's like we
weren't really friends when he was married and straight normal but then when he divorced his
wife and came out as a faggot we became really close what in the world he has to be a faggot
himself i mean there was no other explanation to me for this degeneracy for this deviancy
he is a pervert he is sick he needs to stay the hell away from children this is a subhuman rat
and let me tell you something right now this is christianity in 2024 the representation of
christianity in 2024 mainline christianity in the modern era this guy is profaning the name of the
lord jesus christ he is an embarrassment to the lord jesus christ the fact that he would use the
name of jesus at all ever in his entire life is embarrassing it is sick it is grotesque it is so
evil i cannot even put it into words i cannot believe what i just listened to i've never heard
that before i cannot believe what i just heard that's the real bin that was the bin i was waiting
for it just took you a minute to reboot but because it was so bad just like like this is
church today and again this is charles stanley's son who is a really famous preacher had tv show
for a long time highly respected this guy is this guy is so bad even the liberal pastors are calling
him out like that's how bad do you have to be for liberal pastors to actually say something about
you i guess we have our answer right there it almost seems like they're having a competition
to see who can be like the most blasphemous at this point like i don't i don't even know like
they're just 20 years ago when i was a little kid in church there's no way you could convince me
people would be doing these things no where are we are we headed to worse it's unheard of and i
think you're literally seeing it get worse and worse by the day to have somebody get up and say
the things that he said i mean you have churches today that they're not just endorsing faggotry
they're literally like opening the doors wide open and saying we love you more than even straight
people there's there's these these false prophets that get up now and they say fags are actually
more godly than christians i've heard that before i mean this is what yeah this guy says the same
there's another clip of him i don't think we have that one well he makes that point he makes that
and he's not the first one to make said that uh basically they uh they're braver than all
christians he said that fags are braver than all christians because they're willing to go
into an environment where they're not welcome and he said which of you actually no he said they had
more faith he said they had more faith than the christians in his church because they're willing
to go to places where they're not wanted and i'm like that's not faith that's being a reprobate
with a seared conscience going somewhere where you're not wanted i mean why would i want to go
somewhere where i'm not wanted i'm not going to walk into a mosque and and just try to hang out
with a bunch of muslims like i don't want to be there what these homos do is they go to places
where they're not wanted that's why they harass these are spots in your feast of charity amen
that's why they went to first beating themselves without fear hey pastor mehia i love end times
bible prophecy i know you do as well do you see it getting much worse than this when the end times
begins i mean like once daniel's 70th week hits is it going to be like even worse than it is now
when it comes to these false churches well i remember just like 10 years ago thinking
it was pretty bad i didn't think it was going to get this bad and you know recently there's a
there's a conference uh like a men's conference where uh one of these false prophets was attending
his name is mark driscoll and it was a men's conference and they literally had like a male
stripper there and he got up and like rebuked it but then was rebuked and then he apologized for it
and it's just like what the hell is going on you know you just kind of wonder is this like a posse
can this apostasy get any worse but obviously you know if you have the whole world wondering
after the beast or worshiping the beast this is a group of people who have been desensitized to the
truth for years on end so it could possibly get worse i mean you know this is why it's important
that we preach the word that we're instant in season out of season we're proven rebuking and
exhorting with all long suffering and doctrine for the time will come when they will not endure
sound doctrine but will heed to themselves teachers having itching ears they're going to turn away
their ears from the truth and be turned into fables and so obviously the bible predicted this
and you know this is where the line is drawn between bible believing christians and those who
are you know essentially parading masquerading as bible believing christians if you're not sickened
by this if you're not angered by it if you don't if your blood does not just boil to hear and see
those things you know either you're just a wicked person yourself or you're just you've grown
completely apathetic towards the things of god and you need to get right with god because
you know this should anger any even the most lukewarm christian should get angered by listening
to something like this and you know this guy and all he's doing is moving the goalpost of what
christians should be fighting for obviously we should be angry at adultery but he's literally
saying that adultery is worse than being a sodomite and so you know that's all i got to say
about it you know and it's just it it angers me it upsets me but it makes me want to preach
doctrine that much the more and draw the line and be very clear and concise about what the
bible actually says so that i'm not a part of the problem you know as to why churches
are doing stuff like this i mean could you imagine in one of your churches gentlemen some faggot
walks up to you who you know he wouldn't be allowed to walk up to me in the church
who you know uh cheated on his wife with a dude right and you find this out i mean i couldn't even
before the neurons or whatever they're even called in your brain begin to fire that dog that filthy
dog would be grabbed by the neck and thrown through the glass out of the building let alone
sitting there having this negotiation or whatever the hell that and Lee Stanley was doing we have
we have the other clip of him and i want to play i can't take i will explode i will i will literally
lose my mind oh sheree on my righteous soul is vexed right now gay person who still wants
to attend church after the way the church has treated the gay community i'm telling you they
have more faith than i do they have more faith than a lot of you gay men and women who grew up
in church and the gay men and women who come to faith in christ as adults who want to participate
in our church oh my goodness i know first corinthians i know leviticus and i know roman's
one it's so interesting to talk about all that stuff but just oh my goodness a gay man or woman
who wants to worship their heavenly father they don't have one and they still love god just keep
the picture up because you are a faggot you are a predator you need to be prevented from being
around children he's worse than you are disgusting you are filth what a devil you are a reprobate
you will split hell wide open god hates you i hate you we hate you
yeah but but here's the thing that's that's frustrating is because youtube doesn't allow
us to even be on there make clips because here's the thing we would make clips of this guy and show
how stupid and faggity and query was making fun of him and they would be so viral they would be so
popular everybody would be like oh wow christ real this is real christianity and oh there are some
cool christians out there but they have to ban us and then leave this crap up to just make
christianity look bad that's the frustration i want it to be where when people search for preaching
they see pastor bruce mehia they see pastor steven aderson they see pastor jonathan shelley
not this demon yeah and again it's like they leave the flat earth conspiracy on youtube
to just make conspiracy theories look stupid and they leave this trash this filth this reprobate
this false prophet up to try and represent christianity this is not christianity this is
fake this guy is probably a sodomite probably wants to be a sodomite and even if he isn't
he's a lover of sodomites so you know he's just as wicked as they are he's even worse because he
preaches a false gospel and he's damning souls to hell he's bringing these predators into his
church causing children to stumble causing children to get effect with this in fact i i'm pretty sure
we definitely don't have this clip but he explained how he wants to create a program to deal with all
the teenagers in their youth department that are openly gay because he said that they had a whole
bunch of kids like young kids coming out saying that they're gay and they're sodomite in their
church and they need to figure out how to like deal with that situation and it's like this guy is a
breeding ground for sodomites like this guy is literally the queen bee producing fag after fag
with his false gospel and that's how fags are produced folks is by preachers preaching a false
gospel and damning their souls to hell making them twice dead two-fold more the child of hell
themselves and that's why his church is filled with fags it's not a cultural issue it's a
spiritual issue and he is perpetuating this faggotry he is scum he is the worst no one should ever
listen to him i'm embarrassed that he claims the name of christ i wish god would strike him dead
right now i wish that the guy that went to attack mari mari would go go to him go to this guy and i
hope nobody else is harmed in the process just him just him and the fags in his church and his
buddy and his buddy's buddy and all their buddies but i don't want the innocent good people to be
harmed by them but at the reality i mean praise god for rumble that we can at least expose this
to a few people but boy you know we need you guys or listen we have over 300 people in the stream
we need you guys to wake people up you know i can't talk to pastor shiflett anymore someone needs to
talk to him for me okay you know i'm blocked i'm banned you know shadow ban whatever but you know
we need people to get out there and make some noise point out who these false prophets are
you know i'm glad that we have men like pastor bruce mihia in california and pastor mihia you
had a pretty good following on youtube before they decided to unperson you where the jews got me
you need to make some some instagram clips with with uh some of these false prophets because your
instagram clips are awesome your video looks good your your suits you always like wearing like the
best suit i don't even own a suit as nice as all like your worst suit i'm just trying to look like
a fundamental baptist you know you got all these guys on on instagram just you know making videos
in their bed and in their pajamas or whatever and sweater in their pink sweater you know i just put
on a suit with a shirt and tie and just give doctrine i don't know if i can make any clips
about these false prophets though because i'm already sick to my stomach i mean my soul is like
my spirit is just vexed just from listening to this guy i'm kind of sad that i have to end my
night this way with that guy's voice in my mind you know you know it's filled with conversion
from uh from the sodomite deception maybe that'll help and on a good note cleanse the palate a little
bit it's kind of like you you eat too much food or something fogo and they give you that weird
thing that cleans your palate or something i don't know have you ever tried it it's like these weird
bananas or something it looks like a banana but it's like not oh i've never eaten them i've looked
at it and have not eaten them oh that's good stuff those are good those are like that what is it
pains it's plantains fried plantains it looks delicious but i was like oh that is not what i
was anticipating it to taste like i i i really hope i think that there's a clip maybe i can find it
for my production guru there's a clip of pastor anderson ripping on john gatch it's inside of my
deception all right let's go ahead and play it not the censored version though yeah somebody sent me
a clip from this phony baptist preacher from west coast baptist college you know paul chapel's
little queer factory he already sent us pastor polka dot to start his little queer sounding
music and skinny jeans church in tempi he's got this guy dr shetler i believe is his name jim
shetler this guy is a grown man and he's preaching to grown men and he's preaching false doctrine
about repentance right as a lot of independent baptists are messed up on that subject this guy
is a grown man speaking to grown men and i kid you not i'm not exaggerating at all and you can
listen to it for yourself this is how he talks to grown men he's like all right now when we talk
about god repenting you know we're gonna have to learn a little bit of hebrew all right this is exactly
how the guy talks so what does it mean when it says god repents well here's what the word means
it's really cool the hebrew word means it has actually two meanings and here's here's the first
one the first meaning is all right let's play let's play this other clip for a moment because
that we have okay every human being regardless this is what's so funny that stupid whale noise
you would think that that had you know the bible says that all things work together for good
to them that love god to them that are called to his purpose you think i can i actually use
that whale clip that that moaning of jim shutler in this video at the end see if you can see if
you can find it but it's an ethnic background their education their financial status their
religious beliefs and sexual orientation deserves to be treated with respect and dignity liar let me
say it again every person on this planet regardless of their sexual orientation what happens with west
coast deserves respect and dignity and it has this guy john getch okay independent fundamental
baptist this is the center and here's what he said he said every person on this earth deserves
respect and dignity regardless of their sexual orientation this is in a baptist church in the
house of someone does not be afraid that god is not just gonna strike the one yeah hold i mean
do you not even believe god exists john getch can you stand up beyond your pulpit as a man of god
and not think god's gonna strike you dead to stand up and talk about people's sexual orientation you
faggot and the sacred death i get why is he so defending bags bag loving idiot hey that
looks like a good looking movie maybe you should watch that people should check it out sodomite
deception.com has an epic epic intro sodomite deception it got me in trouble on the airplane
it was so epic it was like during covid and i'm like over here blasting and like laughing and
this lady's like you gotta put your mask on oh that's why i was there i was like she actually
threatened it was epic we're on the tarmac and she threatens to turn the whole plane around
because of you it was too epic of a intro thanks again pastor mehia anytime we need an intro we
just have to ask pastor mehia because he just makes like the coolest movie intros i have to be
highly motivated and so that movie was you know i like to be a part of those types of projects
and pastor mehia also gave us the intro to lgbt terrorists awesome epic intro as well which we
saw and we're immediately frightened because of how good it was and we're worried about how to
make the rest of the film match that yeah it's okay we didn't but you know we did yeah the best
part is where he timed the like the beating on the window i thought with like oh that was great
beep beep beep you know that was that was really good that was brilliant well that was some bad
preaching sorry to vex your soul there maybe yeah i'm pretty depressed now that our ears are
bleeding i have to be honest though i really enjoyed pastor anderson's rant and i really
enjoyed ben's rant here that was really you know your your rant made me feel better because see
i've already gone through this suffering personally so it wasn't my first time i'm i'm going through
the healing process still and you were helping me heal by uh preaching some of that live therapy
baptist therapy yeah i'm starting the healing process now this isn't this isn't honestly the
like the worst stuff honestly there isn't even worse stuff i mean we didn't play like clips of
literal fags with their church services and what they're saying and doing i'm warning you it's way
worse there is worse stuff out there i believe you you don't have to convince me but i i think that
is important for us to at least you know not pretend like these things aren't happening but
address them because again i think these clips would be viral on youtube but youtube doesn't
want to play their clipped out version with us commenting on it that's for sure well do you have
any uh final thoughts for us here pass me here anything else you wanted to say before we kind of
wrap up yeah i mean the only thing i have to say here is you know this is why we preach as hard as
we preach so don't get mad at us you know we have this type of content for our fuel and we are
angered by the unrighteousness and the perversion of false prophets and this is why we preach doctrine
we're specific we're not vague about it we use a lot of bible content because of the fact that we
are fighting the wave of false prophets in this world and we're trying to show the world what true
biblical christianity looks like and so you know don't get mad at the messenger when we draw the
line in the sand to let you know what is right and what is wrong we're trying to draw that
distinction there get yourself in a bible believe in church especially if you are a part of one of
these churches with false prophets you know you need to run screaming in the opposite direction
go to steadfast baptist church join yourself to a new ifb church get involved and get in the fight
amen you know i i i can't understand how people they they say like it's hard to listen to our
preaching and they listen to that like that is the hardest stuff i've ever like it's so hard it's so
cringy to have to listen to i want to read some of these comments corbin russell said if stanley
isn't a literal fag then i don't know what is my thoughts exactly deacon russell my thoughts exactly
oh man we've got we've got uh lots of people saying shout out hey that's my pastor also corbin
russell how does god not strike that guy dead on the spot what a re are and i i don't know how to
pronounce this dude pastor anderson is such a breath of fresh air after all that terror we just
sat through god bless him fbc vancouver that dude is a fag that really just i don't know what that
was said but it applies when pastor anderson met polka dot in public bearded baptist 6 11 and with
the ending of the sodomite deception hey you got it you got are you are you willing to do that or
no the whole movie no no just watch just watch it on your own i guess yeah we we've got a lot of
people in the chat sodom bible college that's definitely from miss king oh corbin russell said
for you ben to get the rope get a rope happy to do that a lot of amen pastor where he is
a lot of amen pastor driscoll drifter from jtech 2000 as in the days of noah that's definitely
inapplicable corbin's got the zingers maybe we should have brought him on he would have probably
had a lot of uh could call this person says pardon my french but even some longtime baptist
approve of this and it sucks someone says oh sbc banker says shetlar jim shetlar i'd call him
something else but i don't want to get in trouble what does that mean you should know you should
explain it to me bring in the jews let's go to the jew oh man well thanks so much for tuning in
guys live uh we've got another great show next week we're bringing on a special guest from australia
nick holt who's actually done some interesting interviews he's interviewed carrie lake he's
interviewed uh one of the best trump impersonators out there um i'm pretty just excited to have uh
another guest on that can give us an idea what's going on on the other side of the world because
a lot of people have no idea what's going on i think it'll be an interesting conversation
i'm really excited to have that show and then there's also um some other exciting guests we're
going to have um we actually are going to have uh owen shor back in the show to do a special
interview about his experiences in prison that's coming later this month you want to check that
out also we have a couple debates that are going to be coming down and i'm just going to go ahead
and just say it now but apparently there's this flat earther that wants to have a discussion or
a debate and i really never thought i would ever do this but i guess just once for all we will
bring them on for the most hostile debate ever because flat earthers either stupid wicked or
both it's hard to find one that's not both what do you think about a flat earth debate call him
stupid and i'll be happy okay guaranteed but uh that's all i want you know you wanted me
to bring jonathan burris on but i just it's just lame he won't he won't debate me on the internet
he's probably hey jonathan is he watching well i'm sure he is what's up bud he loves you
y'all are like best friends i think we've gone back and forth a little bit he hasn't blocked me
yet though so but he you know i would be willing to bait online whatever but he just wants to be
in person so can i put a bow on my thoughts with a couple of verses oh yeah give us a final thought
and we'll sign off jeremiah 23 is savage and i love this chapter but in verse 11 it says for both
prophet and priest are profane yea in my house have i found their wickedness sayeth the lord
wherefore their way shall be under them as slippery ways in the darkness they shall be driven on
and fall therein for i will bring evil upon them even the year of their visitation sayeth the lord
one of many passages in which god is rebuking false prophets verse 14 says i have seen also
in the prophets of jerusalem an horrible thing they commit adultery and walk in lies and it goes
on that's god's opinion of these spiritual predators so don't wince don't get upset don't
get mad at us and some of the things that we said over the course of this live stream we are doing
nothing other than echoing the very same sentiment that you find in the king james bible over and
over and over again regarding these liars regarding these charlatans who intentionally twist the
scripture for their own self aggrandizement and monetary gain we haven't done anything that isn't
backed by scripture on this broadcast and i would hope that you would recognize that instead of
getting mad at us get mad at the liars open up a king james bible and understand how god feels
about these people and feel the exact same way put on the lord jesus christ his character not
your own and i want to say thank you so much for passing me here coming on the show uh great guy
great pastor you got to go to first works baptist church in la i don't even care if you live in
california just drive out there just just go see it i mean basically it's it's one of the coolest
places and they're not in la so that's the the cooler part about it they're actually in orange
county so i've heard it's like magaland so ben would of course love it out there wearing his trump
shirt and uh but no seriously it's great church great in fact not only is pastor he's great his
whole church is great they have some of the coolest people and honestly it's it's kind of
not fair that they're on our team because they're so cool they kind of it's like that cool friend
that you get and uh they definitely we like to give them a hard time even though they're a lot
cooler than us but that's pretty much going to do it for us on the show make sure you tune in
tuesdays 8 p.m we're gonna have a couple special streams as well so check just the the stream
we'll put out announcements follow me on band pastor don't be like stacey shiflett and ban me
because you know what everybody's got a perspective but you need to get the baptist bias