Hey everybody, thanks for joining us for a special episode of The Baptist Bias.
I'm your host, Pastor Jonathan Shelley, and we have our co-host, Ben the Baptist, joining
us for a special stream about the temple.
Ben, how's it going?
Going great.
Appreciate the opportunity to be here.
Excited for the stream tonight.
I'll be paying close attention to the chat room, and we'll be introducing questions
that come from the chat when appropriate.
So I would invite all of the people who are listening to the stream right now to participate
in the chat.
Ask your questions.
Give us your comments.
We want to include you in the broadcast tonight.
Should be an educational and spicy show.
Yeah.
And of course, even if you want to call in, I think we're going to take some call ins
maybe later in the show.
But if you put your comments in, there's a good chance we may even read it a question.
If you have a question, we are doing the show live and we've got a couple of special guests
for you to this evening.
Just want to kind of introduce the audience to the show real quick before we bring on
some of our guests.
We are going to be talking about the temple, and I don't know if like inside your heart
bin if there's like this little part that wants to like blow stuff up, or like how do
you feel about the temple anyways?
How do I feel about the temple?
Well I guess you just described the old man that I struggle with every day.
You've got the new man and the old man as a born-again Christian, but no I mean I don't
really as a New Testament Christian it's not something that I necessarily think about,
but I do think that what's interesting about the subject for me is it kind of brings the
geography of the Bible to life, which I think is pretty cool, and in studying this issue
I feel like I know a lot more about that specifically, so that's what I would say.
What about Lebanon specifically, do these people like the temple, do they have negative
feelings, positive feelings, like do you have any idea?
I wouldn't know about their view on the temple, I do know that Lebanese are very much anti-Zionist
by and large, and very much anti-Jew, and so when my aunt came to visit actually I ended
up giving her an Arabic translation of "Marching to Zion" and at least the beginning portion
of it, I think it was just the beginning like cinematics that was in Arabic, but she loved
it. She really loved it. So definitely an anti-Jew, anti-Zionist sentiment in Lebanon.
Well, I want to help our audience because this topic is something that I think a lot
of people just don't have much familiarity about, especially if you live in America or
if you don't know much about the Middle East, but there was a book written by a guy named
Ernest Martin years ago, 1994. He wrote a book about the lost temples of Jerusalem and
essentially, I don't know if you can pull up, probably not just yet, but if you go and
look at a Google Map image, you can look at the Temple Mount location, which is in Jerusalem.
There's this giant platform and there's what's called the Dome of the Rock on it today. Historically,
this was seen, yeah, perfect. So I'm going to zoom in on this image probably a little
bit here, but if you kind of zoom in, in Jerusalem, you have this Temple Mount right here as a
top view. This is like over here. This building right here is the Temple Mount structure and
I'm drawing on my screen. It doesn't look like, I don't know if it's coming up for the broadcast
or not. I'm just kind of curious if y'all can see. It doesn't look like you can see what I drew.
So, okay, there we go. And then if you look at the other side, here is the Temple of the Mount
over here. And so if we kind of zoom out, I'm going to zoom out actually. So we have a
telestrator now. Yeah, I know. We are fancy. Our broadcast is just getting fancier and fancier.
So you kind of zoom out. Here's Jerusalem, which is obviously in the Middle East. So you got Israel
right here. You kind of zoom all the way back in. You got Jerusalem. And right smack dab somewhere,
you know, kind of close to the middle of Jerusalem. You have an area which is known as the Temple
Mount. And just to make sure that I get it right in there, I'm just going to just click on it.
Of course, that's the traditional location of the temple. So and you can kind of see a rough
outline here. I'm going to kind of draw others challenge that, of course, but so you kind of
have this rectangle box here. This is going to be the Temple Mount platform. So when we talk about
these things, this is the Temple Mount, the Dome of the Rocks there. And so a book was written by
a guy named Ernest Martin years ago, telling us that really the Jerusalem temple is wrong.
Solomon's temple was not built here. Hezekiah's temple was not built here. And I'm sorry,
you know, the second rebuilding, the book, I'm sorry, Nehemiah is the one. Nehemiah's temple,
Zerubbabel's temple. And then it's also called Herod's temple. So essentially you kind of have
a couple of different names for that second temple. Herod's temple or Zerubbabel's temple,
maybe Nehemiah. And they're saying it's not there. It was actually somewhere south of here. Go back,
I'm not quite done with that. If you want to go back, yeah, there we go. They don't need to see
my face. But if you go a little bit down here, they kind of say that it was somewhere here in
the city of David. Just not necessarily exactly there, but just in the circle somewhere in the
city of David down south. Well, a guy named, you can go back to my screen now. A guy named Robert
Cornuke wrote a book called Temple, and then he ended up making a documentary called Temple,
and he basically puts forth his opinion on this subject. And then there's a new movie coming out
called The City Lost. And that movie is based on the work of Temple and this documentary Temple
by Robert Cornuke. And we're going to watch scenes from the Temple tonight with Robert Cornuke. It
also has Pastor Tommy in it. And then it has Elisha Crone as like one of their main stars.
And someone had told me before, they said, if you watch this documentary, you've basically seen
Paul's film. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, you've already seen it. So we're going to show those
things. We're going to be debunking it completely and showing how stupid it is. And I'm not just
saying that because I have some personal animosity or something. It's just a bad, bad film. It's a
bad theory. It's a bad idea. This is a bad, bad book. I've read it. It's filled with lies.
And it's even hard to read because it's just so dumb, honestly. Again, the book of the Quran is
really hard to read because it's just so filled with lies and stuff like that. And I just kind
of find the same with this book and the documentary and stuff. But we're going to be playing clips and
let them speak for themselves. Now we have a couple of guests. We can go ahead and go to our
preview screen. We're bringing on Pastor Steven Anderson and Pastor Aaron Thompson. Pastor Anderson,
how's it going? It's going great. Thanks for having me on. Now I know this subject is just was so
intriguing to you years ago that you had studied it for hours and hours and now you finally get to
unleash all of that knowledge, right? Oh yeah. I was so into it that when we were at the Marching
to Zion conference, I actually just stayed in my room during the session and just washed my hair
instead of attending that session. And then in 2019, 2020, when Paul Wittenberger was still
going to Faith Forward Baptist Church, he had talked to me about this idea. He had approached
me with this idea and I basically just told him, "I have no interest in that. I don't want to work
on that. I don't like it." And I basically said, "I think we need to start seeing other people when
it comes to making documentaries." But I mean, in all honesty, this is not a topic you'd even
researched that much at that point in time. It's more of kind of a new thing. I had not researched
it at all. I had researched it zero. So Pastor McMurtry pulled out some old clip where I
basically said, "Oh yeah, the Wailing Wall, if they think that's the temple, that's ridiculous.
It's just like they're bound down to a Roman fortress or something." The reason I said that
is because I just had no clue about the subject at all. But there was one thing I knew for sure
was that that Wailing Wall certainly couldn't be part of the temple. And I think anyone knows
that because it's not even the type of building that the temple was. I mean, it's way bigger
than the temple. It's these big, rugged, ugly stones. The temple was never made out of these
really big, rugged, ugly stones. And it wasn't that size. So, you know, I just knew whatever
the heck that thing is, it certainly can't be part of the temple, especially because Jesus said that
not one stone of the temple would be left upon another. And so if you have this wall that's
been there for a really long time that obviously predates even the time of Christ, then obviously
that's not the temple. That's all I was saying. You know, he was trying to make it out like I
believed in this theory that they're now putting forward. But I had never even heard of this theory,
except just vaguely hearing about it. You know, years later, I vaguely heard about it,
like at that conference or Paul talking about the idea for the film. But I didn't actually
research the subject at all until within the last, I would say like 12 months or something,
probably like the last six months. I don't have a very good concept of time, but it was because,
you know, A City Lost is coming out and we were sort of seeing discussions online about it.
Different people who worked on the film and that were actually part of the production of the film
were saying things like, yeah, I don't think this is really true because of this Bible verse in
Second Chronicles, you know, five verse two. And so I was kind of seeing those things. But then,
you know, now that I've seen A City Lost, I've watched the whole film by Paul Wittenberger,
like, I think I've seen it like three times on double speed. And of course, but it's the only way
to do it. But basically, you know, now I've gone through and looked at it. And I feel like I'm,
you know, pretty up to date. I don't know as much about it as Pastor Shelley, but like,
I feel like I'm pretty up on it at this point. Well, and just you have made a short clip,
essentially giving some critiques and some criticisms of the project trailer and I think
the film itself. And tonight's show, we're not really planning on rehashing that entirely. I'm
sure we'll bring up a few similar points, but we really are going to be showing a lot of new
information this evening because it seems like every time we look at it, there's just even more
lies or crazy things to dispel. I recommend, if you're interested, you can see Pastor Anderson's
critique review. I think he's put it out there. I also want to introduce our other guest, Pastor
Aaron Thompson from Sure Foundation Baptist Church. He's joining us this evening. How's it going,
Pastor Thompson? It's going good. How are you guys doing? Doing great. I think you've preached a
couple sermons on this, maybe not necessarily directly, but at least you've talked about it
in some of your sermons. I think you've also kind of looked at some of this information.
You even bought this book, I think, this temple book. So, you know, tell us a little bit about
your experience with this project or this idea. Well, actually, I was just preaching through the
book of First Chronicles and at the tail end. Actually, it wasn't even that. It was actually
in Joshua where the Gibeonites are kind of put to force servitude to be hewers of wood and drawers
of water. And I kind of just had like a little mini rant at the end of my sermon about it.
And because the idea in their film is that, you know, how could they have gotten the water
there? And so I just put forth this, well, the Gibeonites were forced to bring water.
And specifically, it talks about in that chapter that, you know, it was for the service of the
house of the Lord. They had to bring the water there. So it doesn't matter how far away it was,
they had to take it there. So, and, you know, they were, the house of the Lord was at Gibeonite
at a certain time period. And they were Gibeonites. So it kind of makes sense that,
you know, it was pretty, probably pretty easy for them. I mean, even though they had to take it up
to the top of a mountain, but anyway, my, I just kind of brought those things up and, and, you know,
and I didn't even name names. I didn't bring up Bob Cornuke or any of those guys. I just was talking
about some people believe these things about how the temple wasn't in the right location and things
like that. And then, you know, McMurtry, of course, his old graceful self just starts,
you know, ripping me a new one and calling me out for it. And he's like, I'm going to,
when I get back from this conference, I'm going to just, you know, have fun taking this apart
and whatever. So I just thought, well, I might as well just unload the whole truck. And so I
preached the whole sermon about it on Sunday and just, I mean, I thought just from the Bible,
just prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that there's no way that the temple was ever in the
city of David. The Bible specifically says it was taken out, the tabernacle was taken and put in
the new temple after Solomon built it. And that all that stuff was taken out of the city,
the ark was taken out of the city of David in second Chronicles chapter five, number two. And
I just, you know, he was accusing me of just getting all my talking points from the internet,
but I literally, the only thing I got from the internet and that whole sermon was how far it was
from the Gihon spring to the temple Mount itself. That was the only thing I got from the internet
besides just copy and pasting my Bible verses. But I mean, it's just easy to prove even without
going through historians and all this stuff. And that's, they like to, you know, use Josephus and
all these pilgrims that went here and there and some general that they he's like, well, if I was
the general of the army, I would've got the high ground. It's like, what does that have to do with
anything? I mean, you can just use the Bible and it just very plainly tells you there was on Mount
Moriah, it was not in the city of David. They took it up and I don't know, they just have a lot of
garbage arguments. They try to use the argument that they went down to get Paul, but obviously
the Roman fortress was there and it was kind of overlooking on the, on the west corner or whatever
and they went down the stairs to get Paul and brought him up. I mean, but yeah, I think those
are, I think those are good points. And of course the house of God has not always been in Jerusalem.
It journeyed with them in the wilderness and other places. And so they didn't have a spring
underneath the house of God forever. So, you know, I think those points are definitely valid
when we talk about some of the arguments that people make for an alternative theory suggesting
that the temple was not on the temple mount platform. Now, of course, I personally could,
could not really care less, I guess, about the exact location of the temple being over in
Jerusalem because I just really don't care. I don't know that I've ever had that much
interest in it. But at the same time, I do care about the truth. I guess I just care about things
being right. Also, I think, you know, in kind of researching this topic a little bit, I was pretty
ignorant when it just comes to the topography of Jerusalem, where some of these locations were.
And I think learning this has helped me just kind of get a little bit of idea of what some of the
layout of Jerusalem looks like, where the Kidron Valley was, where the temple was, where the Mount
of Olives was, and just some basic just knowledge about what the geography looks like. I'm kind of
a visual learner. So I do think that there's been profit in kind of just learning about this subject.
And I'm hoping, you know, as I read my Bible more that some more things will kind of stick out.
But, you know, I want to kind of start out this film, or I'm sorry, not this film, but I want
to start out this show with kind of a clip from Robert Cornuke and it's going to be our media one.
And I want to show kind of one of the arguments that he makes. And I feel like this is kind of
their main argument, maybe their first argument is they kind of talk about the Western Wailing Wall
and how that's existence kind of debunks the idea that the temple could have been on the Temple
Mount platform. And so we might as well get their opinion here and let them kind of argue this for
a second and then we'll talk about it. So let's play clip one here. Biblical explorer Bob Cornuke
has spent the past few decades searching for the real Mount Sinai, the Ark of the Covenant, Noah's
Ark, and the Apostle Paul's shipwreck in Malta. His search for the location of Solomon and Herod's
temples really began several years ago when he was reading Matthew 24. The Bible tells us in Matthew
24 where Jesus is speaking and he's speaking to his disciples and he's walking away from the temple
and he is looking up at the temple and he tells the disciples he said truly I tell you not one
stone here will be left on another everyone will be thrown down not one stone total annihilation
and that's what we hear from history that the temple was totally destroyed the hill called
zion and jerusalem the building there that is to say the temple has been utterly removed or shaken
it was so thoroughly laid even with the ground by those that dug it up to the foundation
that there was left nothing to make those that came thither believe it had ever been inhabited
but if harrod's temple was utterly removed how can the western wall of the temple exist today
either jesus was inaccurate in matthew 24 or perhaps the western wall wasn't part of the temple
so okay yeah that was painful i apologize an area sounds familiar i meant for those to be on
double speed so uh i guess you get a little taste of the pain here but um that particular clip
bob cornuke we got a little intro to this guy he claims to be this explorer he finds all these
biblical sites and and one of them is finding the true location of the temple and he's saying
well the the temple was completely and totally eradicated it was it was just totally destroyed
well you know that's not what the bible says the bible doesn't say that the stones were totally
destroyed it says that they were thrown down you can't really throw something down that's been
destroyed or totally eradicated and i think one of the arguments it seems like they keep trying
to make here is as if like the stones just turned into dust or just completely disappeared
completely from sight but that's not what the text says the bible does say in matthew 24
we'll pull this pull up my screen so you can get yeah there we go matthew 24 uh let's read verse
one it says and jesus went out i'm gonna bring that in just a hair all right there we go and
jesus went out and departed from the temple and the disciples came in for him to show him the
buildings of the temple and jesus said unto them see not all these things verily i see in you there
shall not be left here one stone upon another that shall not be thrown down now i've already
done several shows on this i did a whole show on the western wendling wall we did a whole show with
uh with todd fink and it's very clear that this proof does not prove anything as far as they're
concerned in fact i would argue that this is very strong evidence for our view because number one
the the it's saying the buildings of the temple in verse one i mean you see it right here buildings
of the temple it does not say the temple mount or some other thing but i would almost argue that
the temple mount is being referenced here because it clearly says be thrown down and you have to
ask yourself this question thrown down from what and of course our view is that it was thrown down
from the temple mount which in one of the other uh shows that i've already done there was a
section over here by the western wailing wall so i'm just kind of zooming in here on my screen
but hey pastor shelly if i could just jump in here because i just want to make this clear for
the viewer here just just to make sure everybody at home understands what's going on okay is that
the western wailing wall and correct me if i'm wrong but the western wailing wall it's obviously
not part of the temple no one serious thinks that it's part of the temple no one serious
is claiming it's part of the temple except just maybe just super ignorant people that just think
that because they just haven't even studied it but anyone serious is simply saying that the western
wall is a retaining wall that's part of like the temple mount platform and so even if you just
completely level the temple to the ground flush with the ground throw down all the stones it doesn't
mean you annihilated the whole mountain and that wall is a retaining wall of the mount am i right
pastor shelly yes and um i've done kind of like whole shows on this already but you can see the
western wailing wall over here and specifically um you can kind of see it down here you can't see
my mouse but okay this is this is a kind of a view that helps one and two this is the buildings of
the temple what we would say is the buildings of the temple and then again the western wailing
wall is down here which is part of a retaining wall for the platform itself not only that if you
look at the construction and this is in part of todd vink's um video but this yellow structure here
this little square this is what was known as the original retaining wall for the temple it wasn't
even part of the temple it's just the original retaining wall the first temple would have been
built on this the second temple would have been built on this then later harrid came and built
a bigger retaining wall that's outside this white one that's where the western wailing wall is so it
has nothing to do with the temple the original temple retaining wall it has nothing to do with
the temple complex it's simply a retaining wall to just keep dirt in to have expanded this out
during Harrod's expansion this red part is part of the Hasmonean expansion and the white part is
part of Harrod's expansion so again if you go to the temple mount there is this kind of outward
section if you kind of scroll i'm going to scroll up a little bit right here is the temple mount
i'm sorry is the temple mount location of the western wailing wall from a from a topography
perspective from a top view. But this section down below it, they had found all kinds of stones and
large rocks that had been thrown down and they've been excavated. And that's what's considered the,
you know, the fulfillment of Matthew 24 where foundational stones and other rocks had been
thrown down. According to this other view, they don't have a location of stones or rocks where
they have, where they were thrown down, where they could have been found, where they could
have been excavated. It just all disappeared. And then they just keep claiming that somehow
Matthew 24 cannot be true if the Western Wailing Wall still exists. And it's just, it's just really
just kind of like a dishonest argument to say. Hey, what about the subject? Oh, sorry. Go ahead,
Pass Thompson. I was just going to say that they have a sifting project that they still continue
to do to this day, where they go through all the rubble and all the stuff that they've collected
and they dump in the valley and they go through all that stuff and then they find artifacts that
they found from the temple because that was all the stuff that they cleared off the temple mount
and they're still going through all that stuff today. They like go through every little piece
and put all these little mosaics together and all the pieces from things that they took off the
temple. They're still going through it all today because the Muslims like just dumped it so that
the Jews couldn't get access to it, but they found like the rubbish piles or whatever and they're
still going through it today. Another thing I just want to say real quickly is that underneath the
Dome of the Rock, where the temple used to be, is the top of that mountain where the Ark of the
Covenant used to be, where the Holy of Holies is. You can't really see that if you just go to click
on the Google picture. You can't just see the pictures of that, but you can find pictures of
it. I think that there's a little short done by, I think Robert, by Brother Fink. Remember that
short that I showed you, Pastor Shelley? It has a real quick one-minute synopsis of what it looks
like and all that. I don't know if you have time to show that later. I don't want to mess with your
groove, but I just wanted to remind you of that. Maybe that'd be beneficial to show that. Anyway,
go ahead. Apparently, this topic is so boring to people. They're arguing about In-N-Out Fries
in the chat. It's really hard to get anybody interested. We're trying our hardest to get
people interested in this topic. It's just so difficult. That's me. I'll take the fall on
that. All right. I was part of that discussion. I apologize. Go ahead. It's kind of a more
interesting conversation. Let's just see if we can key up media too. We'll just try to get through
some of this quickly because, I mean, look, the fact that the Wailing Wall exists is not debunked
Matthew 24. It has nothing to do with it. It's simply a retaining wall and it wasn't even
constructed at the same time as the first or second temple. It was a later construction by Herod.
Do you see any validity, Ben, to the idea that the Western Wailing Wall existing somehow debunks
Matthew 24? No, especially because it's talking about the buildings of the temple being thrown
down and that clearly wasn't part of the buildings of the temple. I don't know of anybody... But
being thrown down, doesn't that almost suggest the temple mount exists? It does because it had to
be thrown down off of something. Additionally, I don't know that anybody believes that it's
part of the temple, including some Jews. I'm pretty sure they just think that that's
just the closest they can get. But I don't know that even Jews would argue that that was actually
part of the original temple themselves. So it's an argument nobody actually would make.
Yeah, I think it's more just like maybe some Christian in America is just like,
"Oh yeah, that's the Western Wall of the temple," or something like just somebody who hasn't really
thought about it or looked into it or something. But what I wanted to say a minute ago, just because
you had brought up Pastor Shelley, this idea that keeps coming up in Cornuke's film and in
"In a City Lost Itself," of the stones of the temple being like annihilated or turned into dust
or turned into powder or something, that they're just like broken apart into nothingness. I wanted
to point out also that in "A City Lost," at minute 17 and zero seconds, it says, "The stones of the
temple were carted off and used for public works." This film is extremely internally inconsistent.
Over and over again, it will contradict itself. One of these is, on the one hand, acting like the
stones are just annihilated because they're trying to get gold out of them, so they're smashing them
all or whatever, and then on the other hand, they're being carted off and used for public works.
Or they'll call the temple Mount Moriah, and then they'll say that, "Oh, the Roman fort's built on
Mount Moriah," when obviously the Bible says that temple's built on Mount Moriah. So the use of
terms and everything is very inconsistent. It's very confusing. And then the stuff that Pastor
McMurtry is teaching now contradicts his own film because, for example, the film says, "We know
that the temple was located within the Jebusite fortress." But then when McMurtry is going after
Pastor Thompson and acting like Pastor Thompson's so dumb and criticizing Pastor Thompson, he says,
"Yeah, it probably was not within the Jebusite fortress. That's not what I meant." And he's
acting like Pastor Thompson's dumb for, I guess, just taking stuff that a city law says seriously.
A city law says we know it's within the fortress. That's what Pastor Thompson's going by. Now all
of a sudden Pastor Thompson's dumb because he didn't read Tommy McMurtry's mind that Tommy
McMurtry doesn't even agree with his own film and thinks that the temple is outside the Jebusite
fortress. Which one is it? And by the way, I just want to say, you know, I think that Pastor Thompson
is a very smart person. I listened to his whole sermon on this subject and it was very coherent.
It made excellent sense. Everything made clear sense. It was biblical. His point about drawing
water and bringing it to the house of God totally debunks the film's idea that, oh, you just have
to have spring water on tap to do anything in the temple when in reality running water is rarely
mentioned with regard to any worship at the house of God. They're just exaggerating and you just
need running water for everything. Well, then what are all these Jebusites doing? You know,
these points that Pastor Thompson brought up in his preaching are valid points. And, you know,
every time that I've spoken to Pastor Thompson about any subject, historical, biblical, or
otherwise, he has always brought something intelligent to the table. He's a reader.
And so I don't understand where these ad hominems are coming from. You know, I guess just because
he's so huge, he must just be a big dumb animal or something in people's minds. But honestly,
you know, I've found him to be an intelligent guy. Yeah, these are these are excellent points that
you're making. I want to comment and say that the chat is still raging about french fries.
And so I don't know if ever I'm firmly on the side of in and out. So in and out fries,
dude, in and out fries are awesome. Wow, wow. This is so bad. They're probably using frozen
fries. I don't even know if we can continue the stream at this point. But it's a California
thing. I think that's why... Pastor Anderson had such great points and was articulating himself
great until that. But I have definitely agreed. Pastor Thompson is very intelligent and he
challenges me often. When I listen to his sermons, I feel like I learn things. And when I listen to
these frenemies or these haters sermons, I feel like I'm constantly thinking like, "Have you not
read?" And I'm constantly confused at why they bring up so many things that are inconsistent in
the Bible. Just to comment on what you said, Pastor Anderson, the film does say, "Total and
complete eradication in regards to the stones." And then Cornuke says, "Jesus says those stones
will be totally destroyed." Well, here's the thing. Anytime you say a "Jesus says," you better have
like a chapter and verse. And Jesus does not say anywhere in the Bible that the stones are going to
be "totally destroyed." But then again, internally inconsistent, later it's like, "Oh, these stones
are carted off and used for public work. So which one is it?" Well, just shut up and believe in any
ways and give us money. So, you know, that's one of the things that's annoying about a film is like,
you should be putting forth a coherent narrative and a theory. Like, here's what we really believe
and here's the consistency as opposed to just like, "No, you should have understood what we
meant when we used confusing terminology." Like, it's not just like a random sermon or something,
a random clip. This is a documentary that you spent six years on. You should have visited with
a fine-tooth comb to make sure that the audience isn't going to be confused by the language that
you're using. And so, definitely a major criticism of the film. But let's play another clip here,
Media 2. This is another thing, I think, that's coming from Cornuke about this subject at all.
Okay, so thank you to my crew for giving us that at double speed, because otherwise these clips are
just so insufferable. But I just want to ask Grok, and I'm doing this live, so bear with me,
because I've already asked it before, but let's see. Have we found any stones of the Fortress
Antonia? Let's see what Grok has to say. The Fortress Antonia. Yeah, here we go. Is this
saying like no bricks ever been found? I don't know if this is even answering the question that
I asked it, but here we go. In short, we have found plenty of Herodian era stones around Jerusalem.
Some possibly queried or moved from Antonia's site. No smoking gun discovery bears an inscription or
context screaming Fortress Antonia. There was another time I asked it and I'll just, let me see.
It said one key piece of evidence is the rock scarp at the northwest corner of the current
Temple Mount where the modern El Omaria school now stands. This scarp approximately 50 cubits high
as Josephus described is believed to be the foundation on which the fortress was built.
So I'm going to go back to this map and essentially up in this northwest corner there's a school over
here and I'm going to draw. This is that school that's being mentioned by Grok and this is also
known as the Barris in times past but throughout history they've said that the Barris was
reconstructed into the fortress Antonia. Not saying it's this exact shape but just in this general
area and there's foundations and so I'm just saying like there's no bricks down found. I just
find it just kind of a technically misleading argument and you can ask Grok lots of questions
about that or ask other sources like Josephus and I don't think that it's even found to be accurate.
But again, well I mean even so absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, okay. You can't prove
oh it wasn't here because we haven't found a brick of it because you know there's a giant
shopping mall in Mesa until recently called the Fiesta mall and now it's been completely
demolished. So if I don't find a single brick from the Fiesta mall does that mean that it didn't
exist or does it just mean that it's not there anymore? Well again it's just like yeah of course
like Solomon's temple we don't have any stone from Solomon's exact temple complex so but yet we still
believe obviously the first temple there existed but you know when it comes to this particular
argument I don't even find it accurate but it's kind of contradictory to say we've never found
any stones and then they're just like oh it's actually this entire temple mount so it's like
which one is it have we found the stones or it's kind of a circular I think it's a circular
argument too because basically what you're saying is that what you've got circled on the screen
there you're saying this is the uh you know the the fortress antonia and then they're saying well
it we don't think that stone is the fortress antonia therefore a single brick of the fortress antonia
has never been found because the brick that you're pointing to and saying is part of the
fortress antonia we don't buy that right you see what i'm saying it's just a circular argument
because it's kind of it's kind of like when they say no experts believe this and then you show an
expert and then they're just like oh well they're not an expert so then it just like they kind of
just qualify their own statement here um but again i don't historians and archaeologists would not
even agree with that statement so i think it's kind of just a silly statement to just make this
this claim no one's ever found a single brick of the roman fortress you know there's plenty of
people that think they found stones and rocks that did uh pertain to the fortress antonia and
it's just saying like most historians and archaeologists aren't so brazen to just say like
this is for sure it they'll just say well we believe this is what we think this is our theory
or whatever but you know it's just kind of like a straw man to say no one believes this or
no one's ever found this you know i think it's just false there's pictures though if you like
look up the portholes on the fortress antonia i think that there's it's like carved into the
bedrock or something i don't know i mean i think that brother fink was showing pictures of that
where it's like actually dug into the bedrock i don't know you might be able to just like i
just googled portholes in the fortress antonia and pulled up a bunch of pictures that i think
that he had showed on his documentary i don't know might be worth a look it just kind of it
doesn't really put anything forth either though like the biggest proof is the fact that we haven't
found a brick but let's let's play let's play clip three let's go to media three and let's get into
some more other arguments that they're making in fort elizabeth jar the commander of the israelite
staking refuge at masada said jerusalem is now demolished to the very foundations and have
nothing left but that monument of it preserved i mean the camp of those romans that have destroyed
it which still dwells applies ruins the traditional view places the roman fort called the tower of
antonia at the northwest corner of the temple mount this three acre plot supposedly house the
entire tenth roman legion but how large a legion history tells us that a legion is approximately
six thousand soldiers with the support personnel it could reach as high as 10 000 people if i was in
command of the tenth heavy roman legion sent to jerusalem to keep the peace i would have occupied
the high ground i would have put my soldiers on the temple mount and as i look at the little bitty
building that is called fort antonio today it's almost laughable to believe that six thousand
soldiers and some four thousand camp followers occupy that so okay a couple things that i want
to mention about this particular clip is is number one they put a quote up there of josephus
now in their film i tried to look at their references and their citations they actually
cite josephus's work and they have a an error in the citation so it took me a while to find
it but i ended up realizing why they made that error is because they just found an article
that had a quote of josephus and then had the wrong citation so they just quoted the citation
this article and they didn't actually read the quote from josephus but the quote was wait a
minute so you're telling me that robert kernuke is not a real scholar that sits around reading
josephus because a real scholar would have picked up josephus if he's an expert on the subject he
would have read the entire book he would have started at the beginning and finished at the end
but rather he's a hack that gets an article off the internet and just grabs a josephus quote and
by the way didn't even bother looking at it in the original language or anything like that
because if you look at it in the original language of course it's not even legion anyway
but that that's just a loose english translation and then he's reading into that english translation
you know this is the kind of just hat scholarship that makes you can't really take someone
you can't really take someone like robert kerning seriously he's just he's just kind of like one of
these pseudo scholars pseudo archaeologists just he's he's just that's why i would call him a
charlatan he's he doesn't actually read the sources he's just kind of riffing off of a bunch of
articles and well again you said he's like pastor mcmurtry is claiming that pastor thompson is
getting information off the internet but then it's just provable that's what cornuke has done in
fact cornuke's book yeah is just simply a recopy of earnest martin's book so it's just recopy his
book here's an article i'm just going to quote josephus in it and then in in the article where
has the quote of josephus it says nothing remains except for that monument of preserved i mean the
camp of those that destroyed it which still dwells upon its ruins then they they stop the quote but
the quote keeps going because i actually looked up josephus and read about it it says some
unfortunate old men also lie upon the ashes of the temple now this is what's interesting is like
they're not going to bring up this part about the temple and people being on the temple mount
and being on the temple but they also cornuc just makes this big deal about oh the camp of those
that have destroyed it but it's bringing up the city jerusalem if you look at in this quote it
doesn't show you what it was but it's saying the city jerusalem why is why is the camp of the roman
legion in the city of jerusalem their camp existing then proof that the roman fortress antonia
is the temple mount but that's the that's the point that robert cornuc brings up he says let
me just say this is a mic drop moment that is just proof that the roman fortress antonia still
existed because quote i mean the camp of those that hath destroyed it look why would you set
up a camp if you have a fortress like if you already have a fortress you would just inhabit
the fortress you wouldn't need to set up a camp you set up a camp because you don't have a fortress
and again they're trying to make this argument that like somehow the fortress antonia exists
because it says the word camp here but again that's most of their film and most of the arguments is
to just take something that's actually stated reword it in a way that's not stated at all and
then just claim like we won mic drop that's it and then of course they bring up the clarify
i just want to clarify one more thing for the viewer at home too is that their big thing is
the fortress antonia being on the temple mount but everybody's agreeing that the fortress antonia
was at the temple mount because according to the traditional view it's at the northwest corner
right up against the temple mount there it's and it's towering above in the drawing that they put
on the screen isn't the fortress antonia like kind of towering above and right there at the
northwest corner of the temple mount and looking down upon it so you know it's not like oh antonia
fortress is at temple mount go to my screen for the temple it's really just a question of
how much of the temple mount it's taking up is it is it just this thing on the corner which is
the true story that it's that thing on the northwest corner or they're just claiming that
it just took up the entire thing but either way the fortress antonia is at the temple mount
because there it is in the drawing and i think pastor thompson was the one that talked about
the coming down aspect yeah they're gonna make that argument here in a little bit so i think
we can address that wouldn't that still work in this picture that we're looking at yeah absolutely
so what the heck are they talking about with this coming down stuff we'll we'll address that here
in a minute i think that i might have a better picture let me see but they're camped on top of
the ashes of the temple but they burned down is what they're saying and that's where they were
they were camped on top of the temple mount where the temple once stood where they burned it down
that's why they camped there that's what that's what the quote's saying and they they leave that
off on purpose they're just i mean why else would they leave that part out of the story
it doesn't make sense unless they're trying to be disingenuous well that's probably true
let's uh the other thing i want to bring up well hold on they're leaving it off
pastor tobson they're leaving it off because they didn't even read it because it wasn't in the
article that they read because remember they did not pull the quote they did not pull the
quote from josephus they pulled the quote from an internet article and the proof is that the
internet article made a typographical error in its citation and they carried over that citation
into the film that error i should say and so that shows they did not have josephus open in
front of them and then they're oh let's cite this yeah and the article quote is the exact same quote
it's the exact same quote with the exact same bookends so it's not like they use more or less
and it's obvious that they just use this like article so you know i i had a hard time finding
it because i was trying to find it based on the the citation and the citation was just wrong so
then once i just got rid of the citation i ended up figuring out where it actually was because i
thought wow this is just not this is not even factual like this doesn't even exist and they're
just making stuff up but then i just realized oh they just have it wrong because they're just
copying this article and the article is the only one that had the wrong citation so but again the
point that you're making is going to be addressed a little bit later as far as just coming down
they they kind of make we'll make that a media clip eight in fact we can just let's just go there
just go to clip eight if you can but before you play it i i saw people kind of making a big deal
about that online the whole coming down yeah let's we let's just make we'll make the point right now
but i want to say that you know the one other thing that we brought up uh just you can just
like play it loop it in the background or something if you want but the particular um argument that
they were trying to make is that uh you're bringing up this word about a legion versus a cohort and
again the the the idea that there was a legion in jerusalem at the time of christ is just false
historically it's false from a logical perspective and there's no evidence and in fact that all the
evidence is that they were in syria you ask grok this the roman legion legio ex fratensis was in
syria and we're going to talk about that here later in the show as well but they the legion of six
thousand troops doesn't really exist but one of the things that's kind of silly about this is
think about it if you had a temple mount structure that big which is almost as big as they make this
like entire city of jerusalem or the city of david and then you have six thousand troops inside of
it how in the world would the jews have taken that over and then they like how would the romans have
lost this and then the jews conquered it and then later another legion comes and actually has to
reclaim it like you would think that if you had six thousand troops manned in the fortress antonia
and it's this big overwhelming the entire city like they would have won handily in comparison
to a group of troops outside of the fort because when you have the fort you just have so much of a
strategic advantage there that there's just no way that it even makes sense so there's there's
no logic to what they're saying they just make claims well actually it was really a legion and
josephus said plus josephus again one witness he's not necessarily entirely reliable we don't know
for sure isn't even saying that anyway that's just basically an english translation that they've
cherry picked that even uses that word legion because yeah did josephus even say legion no
because josephus isn't speaking english and the greek word that they're translating as legion
is usually not translated as legion well and here's a whole lot here's another ways they're
going to quote josephus again in this about some like 600 foot bridge but that quote doesn't even
exist so let's you can start at the beginning of the video let's just play the audio now
little known historical account describes two covered bridges or colonnades that span some
600 feet between fort antonia on the north and herit's temple to the south josephus describes
them now as to the tower of antonia it was situated at the corner of two colonies of the
court of the temple of that on the west and that on the north he then describes fort antonia as
a guard to the temple and mentions that it is located on a higher hill and that it hindered
the side of the temple on the north these descriptions confirm that the fort was on
the higher temple mount while the temple was 600 feet to the south and at a lower elevation
there's a story in the book of acts that also confirms this it describes the time that the
commander of the roman soldiers quickly deployed troops from the fort down to the temple to rescue
the apostle paul from a riotous situation at once the commander took along some soldiers and
centurions and ran down to them then verse 40 describes how paul addressed the crowd
paul standing on the stairs spoke to them these were the stairs leading back up to the fortress
antonia all right so go go back because i want to bring up that quote on the screen if you can
from josephus because they said that there's this bridge that's 600 feet from the fortress antonia
see you can see the 600 feet there and then they they say josephus said that let's pause okay now
as to the tower of antonia it was situated at the corner of two cloisters colonnades of the court of
the temple of that on the west and of that on the north now again i've read this entire quote in
context it does not bring up 600 whatsoever it doesn't bring any up any bridge up it doesn't
bring up any of the things that they just said and if even if you ask grock or you ask some ai say
like hey where's the 600 foot bridge and all this stuff it just doesn't exist so this is just like
another just false claim that is made by robert cornuke he says like he's just talking about
josephus like he talks about a bridge going 600 feet from the north of the temple connecting to
the fortress antonia so the romans could keep troll just doesn't exist second point you know
it doesn't matter when the bible says that they ran down because number one you could even have
it actually being uh like from an elevation perspective you could have the fortress antonia
lower than the temple mount and that could still be true because they like ran down the tower like
they were up in the tower and they ran down the tower but even if putting that aside the fortress
antonia even on the traditional view is north and a higher elevation than the temple mount so this is
just a point for both teams we should just say like point for both teams move on because it
just literally does not prove anything that they believe it's a point for both teams except for the
fact they just lie and say there's a 600 foot bridge that is just made up it's just another just
fabrication just made up claim and if it really exists show me the quote from Josephus's works
where he talks about a 600 foot bridge because that's the claim they're making i want to see
this claim uh i want to see the exact quote even if you ask but on our previous on our previous
videos though and stuff that we've put on youtube rumble whenever the other side comes on and
comments it's like they think that that quote is just the smoking gun i mean they can't stop
mic dropping they're so yeah they're so excited about it and i'm looking at the diagram of the
traditional view and i'm just what are they even talking about yeah i mean like you said it's a
themes go back go back to my screen from a tower and they come down and grab paul it's pretty easy
to explain isn't it yeah look i mean they're just what about they're up here and they're gonna come
down again when they go up and take the ark up into the temple what about that one we don't want
to talk about that one out of the city of david how about that well they just they just took it
for a parade they took it for a parade and brought it back that's the problem it was a teddy bear
picnic they were on anyway i mean there's plenty of drawings of and again the fortress antonia
drawings are varied obviously they're just artistic illustrations but there's just all kinds of
different drawings of the fortress antonia it's always higher built up they're coming down from
the tower that's where they saw them that's where they had the vantage point to look at them so
they're coming down they ran down from the tower and and essentially you know that's what it's
describing so it's just a silly point it doesn't have anything to do but again i just want to focus
on the fact that they they definitely lied when they're just randomly claiming this 600 foot bridge
it just isn't a true statement it's it's not a good claim so i want to go i want to go back though
to some of the other media clips that we had can we go to media four i think is the next one they
bring up this idea about the bordeaux pilgrim which is a clip where they kind of talk about
some guy some french guy who had visited this site in 333 ad so we're talking you know about
300 years after jesus christ was here and he's just looking at the landscape and he's just describing
all the geography that exists there 300 years later and they act like this is a smoking gun
so let's see if we can play this clip here soldiers and support staff is the 36 acre
temple mount in 333 ab the so-called bordeaux pilgrim traveled to jerusalem and describes what
he found i'm in a high tower about 100 feet high right next to the church of the holy sepulcher
it's a fascinating place because from this position the bordeaux pilgrim said that he looked due east
and all i could see was a long wall of a roman fort when i look due east of here all i see is
the long wall of the temple mount so what i think the bordeaux pilgrim was describing was looking
at the roman fort from this spot in fact that's pretty conclusive that's what he was looking at
was the temple mount complex certainly i believe was a roman fortress that housed the 10th roman
read okay so number one point i want to make is talk about internal inconsistency he said
that no one's ever found a brick of the roman fort and then he he quotes the bordeaux pilgrim
having found the roman fort and talking about the roman fort so which one is it did he find
the roman fort or did no one find the roman fort how did that work secondly the quotes from the
bordeaux pilgrim there is not a quote where the bordeaux pilgrim says roman fort or anything like
that ever he never says anything like that he does say something about where he believes pilot may
have been and people have said well based on his comments about pilot perhaps that is kind of a
reference to the roman fort cornuc makes this point like oh he never mentioned the temple
but that's not true because he mentioned the temple multiple times in and in fact he actually
describes walking around and then walking to the temple he says this he says in the same place of
the temple there are two large cisterns one on the side of the temple and the other on the other side
which Solomon made and in the temple itself there are two wells one inside one outside
so he actually describes the temple he describes bodies of water near where the temples were
he describes the pool of Siloam and then walking north and then walking up through to the temple
in another quote I'm not necessarily gonna give all the quotes but if you look and ask Grok it'll
actually give you the the original language that this was written and if you can read it I can't
I can't read it I'm just reading the translation but it does talk about a very tall tower that he
he saw but again there's just nothing about Roman forts notice they don't bring a quote up on the
screen notice Robert Cornuke and again you watch what production they made they don't put a quote
of the Bordeaux Pilgrim they don't put a reference of the Bordeaux Pilgrim just Robert Cornuke just
shut up and believe him he says that the Bordeaux Pilgrim saw the Roman fort case closed and again
that's how the movie is the movie is just filled with baseless claims of just Robert Cornuke just
saying things with no quote no reference no evidence and then you look it up and it just
does not exist just like their theory of the temple it doesn't exist it's just it's just kind
of insane i don't know if you guys want to comment on this one or we can just move on to the next one
but it just well it's their opinion it's even if it was said it was just their opinion that's not
a fact it's still it's still just someone's opinion even even if they said that but like you're saying
it's not necessarily even it wasn't show me the bordeaux pilgrim quote about the roman fort
so we here's the first one was show me the 600 foot bridge doesn't exist show me the quote from
the bordeaux pilgrim saying here's the roman fort okay and again i'm not saying that i'm an expert
on these things and i'm relying on ai and stuff to read large bodies of work but at the end of the
day like i don't have the time to read all these large bodies of work but i didn't make a documentary
on this this film making these well outrageous claims i'm on grok right now and i've got the
bordo pilgrim pulled up and i've got it pulled up in the original latin and this latin is so simple
because medieval type latin almost so it's it's so simple that i feel like even spanish speakers
could probably understand a lot of this that i'm looking at but it i'm looking at it and in the
original latin it says you know where the he's saying that he's here where the temple of solomon
was built and he's walking around and he's describing the you know piscinae is what it
says in latin which would be like the spanish word piscinas like swimming pools right
somebody who spoke spanish could literally probably read this like it's not difficult at all and it's
saying exactly what you're saying and he's definitely talking about the location of the
temple and and we keep calling him he of course in a city lost it says he or she yeah because of the
fact that we have no idea who the heck this person even is so why they're just all of a sudden this
huge authority is beyond me since we have no idea of the provenance of this document so much so that
we don't even know if it's a male or a female talking and like you said there's no mention of
the fortress antonia but what we are seeing in the original language i'm looking at it in latin i'm
looking at it in english a spanish speaker could look at this and probably understand it and it's
flat out saying that he's walking around you know like you said these are the pools this is where
the temple was built and stuff like that so so go to my screen go to the and here's grok this is
what it says the bordo pilgrim does not explicitly name quote fortress antonia in the text but he
describes features that some scholars connect to the roman fort so some people might think it might
be connected but it never describes it directly but it says he mentions the temple mount area
noting quote there are two statues of hadrian and not far from them a periferated stone which the
jews come and anoint so he's claiming that the temple of of hadrian or the two statues of hadrian
are on the temple mount area where the temple was specifically and he's not mentioning the
fortress antonia whatsoever and if you look at the film by paul wittenberger tommy McMurtry claims
that hadrian built those things where the temple was so if we ask grok and we ask the bordo pilgrim
they say that these statues are on the temple mount mcmurtry claims that those statues were
built where the temple was so sounds like we have a case closed it was on the temple mount
according to tommy mcmurtry but i would love to know where tommy mcmurtry even claims that the
building or the buildings or the temple or the statue of jupiter that hadrian made was built
because they claimed that their temple mount was completely eradicated and destroyed and the stones
were just gone and it's just this guion spring so did hadrian put a temple to jupiter on top of the
spring did he have it floating on cold faithful or something like i would love for mcmurtry to
explain where this this hadrian temple or statues were built since everything was eradicated and
gone in our view the temple mount still existed because that wasn't the the buildings of the
temple and so it was a great place for hadrian to come and put something on top of it like these
statues which are described by hadrian and then you listen to their family they say oh the board
of program never mentions the temple never mentions these things he only mentions the roman fortress
and it's like the exact opposite it's like he does mention the temple many times doesn't mention the
fort explicitly and then he even mentions specific geographic structures on there so
is this even on their side he's probably just uh you know like you said just plagiarizing
or just maybe earnest martin setting right that's what somebody like that is saying something about
the port of bordo pilgrim and the thing is when you do real research and real scholarship
you go to original sources you know you don't just believe what someone tells you that the bordo
pilgrim says you don't read an article about the bordo pilgrim you go to the original latin text
you know and you go through and you see exactly what the source material is saying and he clearly
didn't do that because it's it's as plain as the nose on your face you know where he says this is
where temple of solomon was built yada yada yada and it's just yeah yeah i mean again so let's um
let's go to the next clip here uh i think we have i think we're talking about the temple
in the jebusite fortress so let's go ahead and play this clip five by the lord to purchase the
threshing floor from ornon the jebusite and then second chronicles chapter three verse one here's
pastor tommy it says that solomon first began to build the house of the lord by the threshing floor
that was purchased from ornon the jebusite solomon's temple was in the city of david
the jebusite fortress okay so they claim that the temple was in the jebusite fortress
and they're like if we take second chronicles chapter three verbatim then we're going to believe
that now go back to the beginning of this don't they bring this quote on the screen i'm pretty
sure that they bring this quote keep playing i think it's a little bit further in didn't when
this other pastor tommy i want to i want to see i think they had it on there uh pause okay it's
kind of hard to see but it if you stick because of the yellow but it says jerusalem and then it says
dot dot dot so this is the this is a quote second chronicles chapter number three verse one so mount
mirai i'm gonna pull it i'm gonna pull it up on the screen seems like mount mirai is missing there
um let's see let's see mount mirai and i'll zoom in here actually let's just uh that might be
harder to see that's real convenient let's use this one because this won't be easier that's a
gail ripplinger trick there so we'll zoom in a little bit so you can see this better but
then solomon began to build the house of the lord at jerusalem in mount mirai where the lord appeared
unto david his father in the place that david had prepared in the threshing floor of orna and
jebusite go back to their screen so i want to see okay they said in jerusalem mount so they just
they basically just say they just drop the phrase in mount mirai uh oh they're using a different
version that's why i was like okay go back to it they're using they're not using the king james
so well either way they're dropping mount mirai and and remember these other version people that
aren't king james only they cherry pick bible versions so you know you'll listen to a sermon
from some of these guys they'll switch bible versions five times in one sermon sometimes
because they find the version that fits what they want to say so you know they intentionally
picked a bible version that leaves out mount mirai and and by the way if we believe that the
devil is behind these modern versions well then you know why why would we be for this theory
that's like propped up by modern versions that the king james just demolishes in second chronicles
three one the modern versions yeah and i mean this this guy's just like some no-name pastor pastor
tommy who's just a no-name person so they just make a film with cornuke a no-name pastor tommy
and elijah crone that's how they make these films and this yeah this guy just drops the mount mirai
apart because then it's just like super clear that we're not talking about the city of dave
we're talking about a slightly different location now if you read josephus and again they don't
read the whole text but you read josephus he describes jerusalem in great detail he says that
jerusalem's built upon two mountains and then in between is a valley and then he says the valley
was filled in and that's what now is known as the oafle so i think if you go back to my screen i
might have a picture of this yeah yeah so here's mount mirai and then this this oafle down here
is like a fill in of dirt that used to be a valley and you know that's that's kind of referenced a
few different times in the bible actually the oafle so that's kind of it was like built up to
connect the city of david with mount mirai because they're two different mounts additionally if you
look at um the text in the bible of zion the bible says in psalm 133 and i'm i want to see
if i can zoom this in so you can see i'll read this i can't find a modern version that omits
mount mirai i just wanted to make that clear yeah they don't think admit that they just changed
the i was about to exact say the exact same thing ben because i'm on bible gateway looking at this
in every version and every version has mount mariah it has so so is is this guy just playing
with eternal damnation because doesn't the bible say that if you remove from the word of god you
know your your your part is going to be removed from the book of life like is is is bro a reprobate
is he a false prophet because well that pastor tommy is like friends with all kinds of heretics i
looked him up he's like friends with all the tbn and all the weirdos but look at this the bible
says mountains with stacy shiflett yeah i don't know maybe different tommy different pastor tommy
different psalm 133 says the mountains plural of zion so you know a lot of people don't realize
that zion can be alluding to a lot of different things even a large geographic location and
it's the mountains of zion because we we kind of have two different mountains there mountain mariah
was where the the threshing floor of orna and the jebusite was where they built the house of the lord
and then second chronicles chapter number five they bring up the ark out of the city of david
the bible says let's see i'll go to second chronicles chapter five yeah so after the
house of the lord's finished then the bible says that the solomon all the elders assembled together
it says so then solomon assembled the elders of israel and all the heads of the tribes the chief
of the fathers of the children of israel under druslim to bring up the ark of the covenant of
the lord out of the city of david which is zion so they took the ark out of the city of david
and then they took it where they took it to where we would presume is the temple mount which is the
temple which solomon had built and they put it in there now they make this point in the film and i
want to play this clip before we kind of talk about this point because i know you guys would
like to talk about this but let's play media seven uh we'll skip to media seven and let's see if we
can play them saying this is this is cornukes explanation because he claims like oh this doesn't
disprove our theory that the temple was in the city of david uh let's just let's hear what he
has to explain about this you know there's not a theory that doesn't have a long list of critics
that line up especially the temple theory it's so shocking to a lot of people say wait a second
temple in the city of david and the stronghold design and then they say wait wait we have a
great verse here that tells you that you're wrong about the temple being in the city of david
it's all assembled the elders of israel and all the head of the tribes to bring out the arc of the
covenant of the lord from the city of david which is zion it was brought out of the city of david
thus it was brought where they surmised to the temple mount i wasn't saying where it was taken
it was placed into the holy hoes after that underneath the wings of the cherubim now where
was it taken what was taken out of the city there's a huge festival where all the priests of israel
came where they slaughtered so many animals they couldn't even count them the bible says the city
of david's just a 12 acre area very very small confines they couldn't have done that in the city
they went ahead and had this big festival like a state fair it's not going to be done in city hall
and then they brought it back into the temple which was in the city of david so this is what's
funny he says we need a large area to do all these sacrifices i agree the temple mount is several
acres why didn't they just take it all to the temple mount and do all of that and put it in
the temple that they had on the temple mount it's funny that he's saying they're like joyriding with
the ark of god though they're just like there's like taking out of the city um and just like you
know nuts to uza you know we got this covered we're gonna go have a party with the ark of god
and then just dance around with it and bring it back how reasonable has that been do you think
people are just joyriding with the ark of god just for fun no i mean i don't even see that
anywhere in the text and the thing is it's like people come up with fan fiction with the bible
and it just pisses me off like where where are you getting this from so that's all i have to say you
can bring the verse back up on the screen but you know what what it comes about this is absolutely
made up like if you read the text the clear plain reading of the text is that you take the ark out
of the city of david and you install it into the temple that was built that's all the text says
anybody just read second chronicles five you pull it out you take it up from the city of david and
you stick it in the temple that's what the text says his thing of like take it out joyride with
it and then bring it back to where you got it from it just simply isn't in the text he is approaching
it from a preconceived idea where he wants it to be the city of david so that's what he's reading
into it and then claiming oh every single bible verse is pointing to my theory no this verse is
very clearly and and i'm sorry if i just had 60 seconds to explain to someone why this film is
wrong i would just say okay open your bible to second chronicles 5 because it's over game over
for this film second chronicles 5 2 that's the mic drop that's the smoking gun this chapter
annihilates their stupid theory and they can talk for an hour and 53 minutes all they want but at
the end of the day second chronicles chapter 5 is more powerful than an hour and 53 minutes
of their fake quotes and fake scholarship well it's funny how he's he described this he didn't
say like i found this verse he says people come and bring this verse to me and say hey we can
debunk your entire theory and he's like oh no no no i'll just make up this story about them joy
riding with the ark that has nothing to do with the bible again like it does it never says they
re-enter the city of david with the ark so that's just made up it's just a it's just a fact they
take it out another thing sorry this just popped into my mind but you know and again pastor tommy
mcmurtry says something totally different here's what he says well yeah they took it out of the
city of david because he says that the temple was not in the city of david as defined by this verse
but that it's in a broader city of david and remember this is why pastor tomson is so
intellectually lacking because he doesn't understand that the city of david means
different things at different times and so what's funny is listening to pastor tommy mcmurtry answer
the criticisms of the film and then watching the film itself mcmurtry is like debunking his own
film like like he does not agree with the city laws and he's like the strange woman where like
his ways are movable because like mcmurtry just moves the goalpost anytime he's challenged on
these things and so if you listen to cornuke's explanation on second chronicles 5 2 and then
you listen to mcmurtry's explanation they are dramatically different contradictory and mcmurtry's
view is contradicting the film because again the film clearly says we know that the temple was
built within the jebusite fortress we know that from the bible is what the film says but then
mcmurtry says no no no no it wasn't it probably was outside of the jebusite fortress and city of
david in in second chronicles 5 2 that's talking about the jebusite fortress so yeah they took it
out of there and put it in the temple it's just these people need to get their crap together
well about the fact that the whole i want to make a point and i'll let you go to pastor thompson
here's the thing they it is a it is a thing to consider like that sometimes borders of a city
or a town or a state can change over time and so you could like use that argument but here's
here's what's silly about it the city of david is so small already they've already ran out of real
estate like i've already circled on the screen like the city of david like oh well the city of
david back then was this big but then it's like magically bigger later like there's no room to go
like even if you wanted to make that argument you already have ran out of real estate because it's a
tiny tiny section of real estate already so you know this idea that the the borders of the city
of david is randomly changing or ramp rapidly expanding over time is just kind of a fan fiction
because the oval is is the distance between the temple and this city of david i've circled it was
filled in with dirt because it used to be a little bit of a valley here and so there wasn't any
landscape there's no extra room hardly this little tiny real estate in between this like box ended
up being kind of the palaces of solomon and some of his structures after they built the oval but
it wasn't even possible to build there at that time because it was a valley it's filled in by
solomon and others later so that they can then make an easier journey from the city of david up to
the temple mount where the temple was the 600 foot bridge though oh i forgot about the 600 yeah
let's let's go find that i'll let you you give your opinion on this pastor thompson i was just
going to say that i mean despite the fact that the whole context surrounding all those verses
is that it's talking about the temple being built so but just all of a sudden magically that verse
means something different about the whole context of what's going on here they're building the temple
and then it even talks about how they take the old tabernacle that moses built which that's a pretty
big point you know that that they take the old tabernacle and they bring that old tabernacle
into the new temple and that's the tabernacle that they use the one that david made for the
ark was not the tabernacle that moses built there's two different tabernacles there's two
different high priests there's two different places where they're doing things david has brought the
ark into the city and the place where they're doing the sacrifices is on is in gibia even at
the point when when solomon prays that prayer for wisdom that's at gibia he still has not gone to
the temple at that point so you know i mean just some context around it and then when they finally
put all that stuff in like that whole chapter is explaining this is all the stuff that they are
bringing in all the tools all everything the tabernacle of moses and then they then they take
the ark out probably just as carefully as they moved it the last time because david knew what
happened last time and his son probably was reminded of that fact and then they took it all
into the temple the next chapters you have psalm and praying that big long prayer all the sacrifices
are done it's not some state fair where they're eating corn dogs and you know putting the ark on
hydraulics or something and you know there's like you know ferris wheels and stuff going on or
something that's retarded i don't even under the it's like the guy's just intentionally just
that's why i called him a charlatan in my in my sermon because this is what he is he's a fake
indiana jones he's a want he's just taking other people's discoveries and trying to make him his
own and he's just you know he even that last scripture quote that you shared there was
another dot dot dot behind it i don't know but that was all it was it was fine it just it's an
ellipsis that was just giving more context to the people that was bringing up but um yeah again
it's silly because their view they're just saying that they're just coming out here and just joy
riding all around and then just coming back like that's that's basically corn oaks view and it
just it just doesn't make sense it makes sense that they're obviously they're taking it out and
they're just going and putting it into the temple so uh that's that's what the text is directly
implying it explicitly states it was taken out of the city of david they just make stuff up and
claim that it randomly came back um or again mcmurtry's version slightly different because
they don't even agree you know do we agree on all these things absolutely not yeah it's like oh it
changed oh it's you know and then like i'm an idiot because it changed didn't you know that
that's it was well i feel like i feel like mcmurtry mcmurtry needs to watch a city lost i feel like
i'm serious because like because he he constantly is contradicting the film well he didn't make it
and and he didn't make the trailer and i brought up 30 problems with a city lost and anybody who
watches his rebuttal he agrees with me on like 80 of the points yeah that is a problem yeah yeah
okay oh that's but then when he's not just explicitly agreeing with me and saying like yeah
yeah i guess that is yeah that was wrong yeah i misspoke oh whoops we messed up when he's not
explicitly agreeing he's just like oh i gotta go back and watch that i gotta go back and check
that i gotta it's like watch the watch the film a few times bro if you're gonna if you're gonna be
defending it so much maybe you should have paid attention you know hey i don't know maybe he's
got a way to watch it on triple speed or something if so fill me in because because i'd prefer to
watch it on triple speed if that's an option i think watching temple doc yeah that's why he's
missing temple documentary on youtube is like quadruple speeds because it's only 30 minutes so
you can get through it a lot faster like we're doing yeah the youtube premium you can watch it
on triple speed but but the thing is you know tommy mcmurtry is contradicting the film repeatedly
in his apologies for the film okay and then when i criticized the trailer it says oh paul didn't
make the trailer paul didn't make the trailer paul didn't make the trailer because he has to agree
that the trailer is super deceptive and misleading the way let's just play parts of the trailer
well he says well yeah but paul didn't make the trailer and then when i'm pointing out all these
other issues about inaccuracies grammatical errors spelling errors factual errors he's like well this
this film's made by human beings and human beings make mistakes and and you know we're just real and
we're just talking from the heart and that's why we make these mistakes it's like no this is a
documentary film like if we're doing a live broadcast like we are today you would expect
us right now to maybe make a few errors like you know getting the fries wrong or something
you know from texas or whatever from the from that side they're speaking on the fly
they're gonna make grammatical errors they're gonna trip on their words but when you're making a
documentary that's five years six years in the making okay you go through and you proofread that
stuff and you go through and you fact check everything you check your original sources
you cross your t you dot your i and when you have just a slovenly sloppy approach to the editing and
proofreading you know what is underlying that is a slovenly and sloppy approach to the scholarship
and to the biblical study behind the film because it's slop upon slop okay that's what's going on
and that's why it's so dumb for him to just say oh yeah of course 80 of the things that you brought
up are true but that's because i'm human it's like okay but your documentary is not human
your documentary is a documentary it's supposed to be polished right and people and by the way
people started donating to this project back in 2020 as the quote-unquote secret project they
didn't even know what they're donating to and people gave hundreds and thousands of dollars
to paul wittenberger back then for the so-called secret project and he's like trust me guys this
is going to be the best film i've ever made i'm not going to tell you what it's about you're not
going to be disappointed you just got to trust me and donate i mean you guys remember when it
was the secret project well then it then it turned into then it turned into temple then it was just
it was just called temple because it's like that's the name of the book that's the name
of the documentary and it's just a complete repackaging virtually no information's new
no extra so which is the worst remake of of 2025 which is the worst remake city lost remake of
temple or the snow white remake like which one is the worst remake of 2025 this is hard
it's like eating uh in and out fries or something it's painful i think that i would find at least
snow white entertaining and parts but i mean you know i don't know like if somebody put a gun to
your head and said like sit down with your wife tonight and watch city lost on single speed or the
new snow white film i would definitely watch snow white it's not even close you'd be like i hope
i would i would i would rather watch snow white on single speed than temple lost on quadruple speed
so you know it's it's just it's just so bad but um it is a special kind of punishment but let's
let's go to clip six i think well maybe it could be used as a way to punish your wife then that
way you know well we can't because it's not physical abuse it's just we make them watch
yeah it's psychological abuse if you make your wife watch a city lost well i'll say this you
know i've said that i don't think women should separate from their husbands but if they're
making watch a city lost on single speed you have the right to retreat you have the right
to separate temporarily because that's cruel and unusual punishment so let's let's play media six
better to retreat than watch a city lost and this area we have seen in photographs in the 1930s
and we see these terrorist farms you can even see the people out there killing the ground
it's very interesting that the bible says this in a prophecy the minor prophet micah says in 312
zion shall be plowed like a field Jerusalem shall become heaps of ruins and the mountains of the
temple like bare hills of the forest the temple is going to be like a plowed field well there's no
plowed field up there those walls have been up there you know a couple thousand years if that is
really the temple micah says that should be a plowed field it never was this area was so we can
be assured that in the city of david it matches with what the prophet says and what the bible says
so this is what the prophet says now let's play the trailer let's see if we can play trailer one
clip because this is where we get this this really awesome quote from cornuke fulfills the prophets
this does not it's a meme he's showing this like weird picture frame holding it and he's like
this fulfills the prophets this does not i feel like this is gonna be a meme template forever
i feel like it's gonna be a meme for the rest of our lives like like whenever we're anywhere like
when i'm in public like with my kids or with friends or something like whenever there's two
options between something it'd be like you like i would point it in and out burger and say this
fulfills the profits all right you're at in and out and you're looking at the burger this fulfills
the profits you look at the fries this does not that's fair oh man buy that this is from the
trailer i don't order fries in and out i just get two double doubles that's what i order so that's
hey now i'm on board with that the double double as far as like fast food or fast casual in and
out puts out a quality burger and i will say that and again it's way better than water burgers so
you know i can't side with the texas crowd you know in and out is definitely got way better burgers
i just wish they would make better fries in fact i told them i said i emailed them and i said if you
make better fries and you season them better then i will promote it on the baptist bias and so they
wrote back to me their their marketing department's getting back to me on that but uh i'm willing to
promote in and out fries i'm sure they're chomping at the bit yeah potatoes oh they are just potatoes
they just put the potatoes through like a a chopper all they have to do is put some cajun stuff on
there and it's in their gold oh yeah cajun fries i love cajun fries oh yeah now to answer this point
they claim that you know that jerusalem's gonna be a plowed field and so
you know because the temple mount still exists that somehow debunks this or something like that
but but number one of course jerusalem being plowed like a field even if you believe that applies
to this particular point it does so so match match additionally the temple mount because those walls
are retaining walls they're still dirt on them and they've still plowed sections of the temple
mount platform and and put other vegetation other trees other things on the temple mount
so like there this is another one of those points where it's just a check mark on both sides
and even if you want to debate the mica prophets prophecy and i get that point it still is just a
check mark on both sides it was plowed plowed check check check it doesn't it doesn't make any
real difference i i don't see any theological necessity for it to be plowed like a field
because in jeremiah it clearly says that god repented of what he had said he was going to do
in mica and so there is no theological necessity that that took place but but you're right either
way any way you slice it it doesn't matter anyway now because dr fink in his documentary
literally shows a plow a literal plow like a picture of a plow parked on the temple mount
right you know exactly you know so like you said it's a point for both sides but but like i said
i don't even buy that argument for one second anyway because there is no theological necessity
and what's funny is that i said in my response i said well no it doesn't say it in the prophets
it only says it in mica the prophet and then my mercy is like oh he doesn't know about the
jeremiah passage but then i then like a second later i'm like no man jeremiah passage is not
jeremiah talking like mcmurtry in his response thinks that it's jeremiah talking it's really
like the elders of israel debating and they're just like discussing the mica passage yeah so
that's not another prophet prophesying that's elders of israel in jeremiah discussing the mica
passage and about how god didn't do it because god changed his mind so to me there's no theological
necessity for god to change his mind again and plow it like a field when he said oh he was going
to do that and then he repented of that evil that he was going to do so again that's my view but
i think you're what i think yeah what is thing about a pre-trib argument like when we're trying
to explain to someone pre-trib like how it's not right and how we believe it's post-trib pre-wrath
watch after the tribulation you can still buy it on framing the world and you can watch pastor
anson's gospel presentation uh in that film you can't watch it for free but you can pay
and then you can watch it because he's not qualified for a free gospel he's only qualified
for a paid gospel presentation but anyways you know when you argue with them they say well we're
not appointed under wrath and you're like okay check mark on both teams though you know when
you're arguing pre-trib against the r-view you can't make these points that fit both sides just
like this whole plowed argument just fits both sides and again that's what most of their movie
is most of the movie is just arguments fitting both sides or just history claims that don't exist
600 foot bridges that don't exist bordo pilgrim quotes that don't exist and just all kinds of
random stuff that just does not exist um you know and and again what fulfills the prophets is the
word of god what doesn't fulfill the prophets is what cornukes says out of his mouth you know what
fills the prophets is out of the city of david which does not fulfill the prophets is cornukes
saying they had this random party and then brought it back in um pastor thompson do you want to
comment on this you know this this idea of like this plowing does it have any bearing on it anything
i don't know if you got muted or something muted you might muted yourself i did sorry about that
you're good um well i mean the temple mount is you know it's a retaining wall and it's encasing a
mountain and that's not the temple so the temple is not going to get i mean the temple was plowed
like a field it was destroyed it was thrown over the side the rocks are still there that's the funny
thing about the evidence of the boulders you know they're not destroyed they're not not existing
anymore you can you can go you can zoom into them right now just like you did earlier and actually
look at them you can see them on interviews that joel kramer video where the dude's literally
sitting on them he's like jesus was right i mean a jew saying that jesus was right is just funny
as heck but anyway he's just like i'm sitting on them you're you're filming them right now it's
like yeah but i mean that's just evidence right there so it was plowed like i feel that if you
look at it like the temple buildings themselves were thrown off the side when if you're wanting
let's bring up the elephant let's bring up the elephant in the room it doesn't say Jerusalem
is going to be a plowed field he's showing a picture of a plowed field and saying this
fulfills the prophets it doesn't say Jerusalem is going to be a plowed field it says it's going to
be plowed like a field it doesn't say it's gonna be a literal field being literally plowed literal
aggro that is not what it says and and i think that's what pastor Thompson's getting at is that
by just you know throwing down all the buildings of the temple and no stone being left out upon
another and just flattening the area is the simile fits it's plowed like a field it's it's
it's flattened it's dug up it's you know because what is plowing right you you flatten everything
out you dig everything up you remove the stones you prepare for agriculture but it doesn't say
it's going to actually be a plowed field i think it says something about it also being i'll have
to pull up and again this is all just totally hypothetical because like i don't even buy into
the whole you know yeah but this is important because you talked about internal inconsistency
here's a quote from mcmurtry in a city lost so there's no way this area could have ever been
plowed and have become a forest because nothing here looks like a forest. So in one side he's
claiming that it needs to look like a plowed field, but in the movie, Tom McMurtry claims
that it was supposed to be a forest and supposed to look like a forest. It doesn't say a forest.
It says it's going to be as a forest. It's going to be plowed like a field. It's going to be as
a forest, meaning that there are aspects of it that you could compare to a forest. There are
aspects of it that you could compare to a field being plowed. It's not a forest and it's not a
plowed field. It's just, these are just similes talking about the desolation. The fact that if
you're in a forest, okay, if you're in a plowed field, that's the opposite of being in like an
urban area where there are beautiful buildings and structures that you're admiring. You know,
Jesus and the apostles are admiring all these beautiful structures. Well, that's the exact
opposite, right, of being out in the wilderness or being in a plowed field. And so they're missing
the point of that it's a simile with like or as not literal. But here's the problem I have with
this quote is they're claiming that the temple mount doesn't look like a forest, so it couldn't
be where the temple was. But then where they claim the temple is has zero trees. So it's like,
it's almost like they're just trying to make the Bible be wrong. It's like it's almost just like
denying what the Bible says with both sides because he's claiming, "Oh, it doesn't look like a forest
over here." But it doesn't look like a forest anywhere based on their definition or understanding
of what a forest would even look like. So it's just basically, again, it's not instead of a
check mark on both sides, it's a minus on both sides, which would really be you're not interpreting
the Bible correctly here. There's something wrong with your interpretation. There's something wrong
with what you're saying. And it's definitely not what you're claiming because even your own theory
does not have an actual forest structure. I mean, can you claim that this is a forest bend? I mean,
do you have thoughts on this being plowed like a field, like a forest? What's your idea?
Yeah, in Jeremiah 26 verses 18 and 19, verse 18 is quoting Micah 3, but then verse 19,
"Did Hezekiah king of Judah, and all Judah put him at all to death? Did he not fear the Lord,
and besought the Lord, and the Lord repented him of the evil which he had pronounced against them?
Thus might we procure great evil against our souls." And I believe, Pastor Anderson,
that's what you're referring to, right? When you talk about how there is no theological necessity
for us to be able to point at this prophecy and say, "Look, it actually occurred." Because in
reality, the book of Jeremiah makes it clear that because of how Hezekiah turned back to God,
actually God repented of what he originally said he was going to do.
Yeah. And their answer to that is, "Well, no. When God repents of doing the evil,
He only postpones. He has to do it later." But I don't see how that is a theological necessity,
that God has to later pull out a judgment that he had previously threatened and then repented of.
Why would he have to do it that way in the future? Again, it's a stretch.
But even if you grant them that point, even if you say, "Okay, Micah has to happen," then Pastor
Shelley's point is totally valid. They're really homing in on the plowed field aspect and downplaying
the forest aspect when both of them are there. And my response would be, "In what way is it
going to be like a plowed field?" It's not going to be a literal plowed field, just like it's not
going to be a literal forest. What are forests like? What is a plowed field like? A plowed field is
flat. That's what's going to happen to the Temple Mount area. It's going to be flat. And what does
it look like? It looks pretty stinking flat to me. Whereas the thing that they have doesn't look
like a plowed field at all. It looks like terraced agriculture on a mountainside, which yeah, you
could call that a plowed field, but I think that the more classic view of a plowed field would be
more, you know, a field would be more like something flat is what you would, your mind would go to
first than this kind of terraced agriculture on a hillside. But then again, why is it like a forest?
Because again, the forest is the opposite of being in an urban, architecturally rich area,
you know, it's it's the absence of architecture. That's what I think he's getting at with the with
the forest. So it may not even happen. So like, exactly, we're arguing a hypothetical, but their
idea of a forest still doesn't match either location. So they're just so it's just wrong.
But I feel like a great point. We've been missing boil in our entire conversation.
I think he made the movie. So is the movie. The movie's missing. But the thing is,
the trailer, baby, the trailer, he carry the paintings, every quote of boil in the film.
So if you want to know every line of boil, it's in the trailer. Let's see if we can play some of
this. I want to make sure we get it. And Pastor McMurtry was kind of lamenting this. Like he was
like, man, boil only had like a couple lines and then he's in the trailer more than me, even though
he's barely in the film. Probably because he knows that way more people are seeing this trailer than
seeing the film, because the film is going to be behind a paywall. Yeah. And when you put things
behind a paywall, they don't get a lot of viewers, especially when they're not exactly the hottest
thing, you know, to watch when there's so much wonderful free content out there. When you can
watch the exact same content on Robert Cornuke's documentary for free, you know, are you really
going to pay to watch a city lost? I haven't yet. So let's go. Let's, let's, let's get some boil.
I need some boil my life. I got to have more boil baby. People often wonder how we could get
something as significant as these. Oh, what, what? It would pause. Maybe I gave you bad timestamps
or something as significant. We can't cut them off. This is just one line. One line in the film.
I got to have more cowbell baby. We can get the most important mountain in the Bible wrong.
Could it be that we would get the location of the temple wrong as well? Apparently you did. So,
okay. How the heck is Mount Zion the most important mountain of the Bible anyway? Isn't that a little
bit subjective because when they said the most important mountain of the Bible, I was thinking
of a whole bunch of other mountains. I didn't even understand that he was talking about Mount
Zion when I saw the trailer. Then when I watched the actual movie, I saw that he's talking about
Mount Zion. When he said the most important mountain of the Bible, I thought he was talking
about Mount Sinai. Well, you got Calvary. You've got a couple options, I guess. Even if you grant
him that, it's just silly that we lost it because no one's ever lost it. In fact, it's been fought
over and argued and battled for. How did it get lost when it's literally just the most contentious
part of the entire earth? There's more conflict over this specific area of earth than anywhere else
ever in history and then we're going to claim that we lost it? What are we even talking about anymore?
The problem with these people is that they don't understand that the word "Zion" refers broadly to
the entire city of Jerusalem. It can even refer to a larger area than that. You pointed out earlier,
Pastor Shelley, the mountains of Zion. I believe it's what? Psalm 133? The mountains of Zion.
How could we get Mount Zion wrong? I don't know. Maybe because there's more than one of them,
because it's the mountains of Zion. So maybe it's not that we got it wrong. It's like,
is this Mount Zion? Yes. Is this Mount Zion? Also yes, because it's the mountains of Zion.
It's the whole thing. It's this whole area. And sometimes even city of David could be just
referencing just Jerusalem in general. Right. Zion is just Jerusalem in general. Sometimes
it's more narrowed down, but sometimes it's not. And so first of all, I don't know that it's really
just that clear what the most important mountain in the Bible even is in this trailer. It's not
explained anywhere. And then in the film, they make some big deal about, oh, the little tourist
Mount Zion changed over the years. It's like, well, that's because the whole thing is Zion.
Yeah. It's not even wrong. It's not even wrong with that part. It's just that they're talking
about some other part of Zion. It'd be like if I took you to one part of Texas and then claim
that that's not Texas just because it's El Paso or something. It's like, yeah, El Paso is still
technically Texas, but it's not necessarily the best part. I know that you had a lot to say on
this point, Ben. Well, just again, I think one of their big arguments is that word Zion. And they
want to make the point that since the city of David is referred to as Zion, that must mean
that that's where the temple was built. And just not understanding or ignoring the fact,
and you guys already alluded to it, that Zion is used to describe Israel in general, Judah in
general, the land as a whole, a lot of different places are designated as Zion. And then one other
point I want to make regarding Patrick Boyle, you know, there may be some Patrick Boyle fans listening
to the stream tonight, and you may not have gotten your fix of Patrick Boyle through
City of David when you watch, I'm sorry, A City Lost. When you watch the documentary,
you might be thinking, you know, I want some more Patrick Boyle in my life, and I would invite you
to watch The Preserved Bible, in which he appears for a longer amount of time, I think.
Yeah, I think he has more lines in The Preserved Bible. I don't know, someone could fact check us
on us. Maybe we could ask Grok, but he definitely had some lines in that film. You could check it
out. Preserved Bible is a great film to watch. Definitely not as boring. So how much does it cost
to, how much would you expect to pay to watch Preserved Bible? Because I know City Lost, you
gotta buy a DVD, you gotta pay. How much would you expect to pay to watch a film like Preserved
Bible? It gives you more boil as well. It gives you more. More boil for less. If you go to the
PreservedBible.com... It's absolutely free, as his dad would say. And it's just free!
Absolutely free! That's about how much it costs. Yeah, the dad also thinks the earth is flat.
You know, they needed to put some other people in the film. They need to put someone like Joseph
Goode. And this Joseph Goode character is labeled as a temple expert. So I went ahead and just tried
to like see like what's going on today. This guy made his own documentary about this particular
subject or his own like interview about this subject. I want to play some clips of Joseph
Goode because he is featured in the film. He is one of the experts in this film. And you know,
just like Eli Shukrone famously said temple mount temple on temple mount period. I love that quote.
Joseph Goode also has some interesting statements. And he's one of the stars. I mean, he's just as
much a star as Boyle. Let's let's play some of these Joseph Goode clips here. Start with clip one.
First off, wait, wait, I'm sorry, I want to get that question. It goes fast. I want to get this
question read. Was there any connection between the Gihon spring and the temple? Now, we're kind of
transitioning because they make a big deal about the Gihon spring. In fact, I feel like I've done
this out of order. We're coming back play media nine. Let's play media nine. Let's get it from
Cornuke's mouth first. Then we're going to listen to their own expert from their own film what he
has to say about the Gihon spring. So let's play this clip first.
Okay, so just I just want to, sorry, I just want to say that footage right there. That is
in a city lost. It is imported wholesale into city lost. This part right here.
Yeah. So just, just to make it clear what they're arguing, they're claiming that the
Gihon spring is the only spring in this area. It's not exactly where the temple is. It's about
600 feet away south of it. And so therefore the temple could not have been on the temple
Mount because it's not directly over the Gihon spring. And they claim that there's not enough
water near the temple Mount to have cleansed off all of the blood sacrifices and blah, blah, blah.
But there's another expert in their film, Joseph Good, and he has a talking point on this. Go to
that clip now. And I want to read that question again. Was there any connection between the Gihon
spring and the temple? Let's let Joseph Good, their own expert, explain what he believes about it.
First off, the temple does not use the water from the Gihon spring. The Gihon spring is south of
the temple down in the city of David. The water for the temple, we have three sources for this.
One is to collect rain water. Okay, so you go down to Masada and you see that the technology
they have for collecting huge amounts of water is remarkable. Secondly, there is south of Bethlehem,
what is called Solomon's pools. This is going to long pre-date Yeshua, going to at least the
Hasbonian period. Conduits, massive. I've been down to see them. Have you ever seen these? Oh man,
it is mind-boggling. Just picture this. You have three of these and you could probably put in the
largest one, oh I'm going to say 50, Olympic-sized swimming pools. I mean, the volume of water. Now,
they built a conduit system, an aqueduct, that came and the engineering was absolutely remarkable.
And it brings the water into the temple. Harry comes along later, he repairs what is there and
adds a larger aqueduct. Later on, the Romans will come back with another. You can still see up until
the 1900s, the aqueduct, the water system, was still in use. And in fact, if you go up on the
temple mount, you can follow the line of the aqueducts, okay, underground. Now, I'll tell you
in a moment how you can follow them, but they're charted first. All of this was charted by those
explorers from the Palestine Exploration Bot. And so we can see where they are because there are
little manholes and they're all in a line and they follow exactly the path and I can take you up on
the temple mount and I can walk, we can walk directly five minutes and you'll be able to go
by yourself and follow the conduits wherever they go in there exactly. Okay, so he, their own expert,
disagrees and claims that there was never water from the Gion Spring to the particular temple
mount, but rather there was an aqueduct system and this aqueduct system brought the water to
the temple mount. Now, go to my screen for just a second and I just want to show, again,
they have all kinds of different, I don't think this is the right picture. Let me see if there's
one. Go, give me a second. Maybe, I need to find something else. So Pastor Shelley, you say that
the Gion Spring, because it's in the city of David, which is like a residential area, do you think
that probably the Gion Spring was something that just the public could just use for their just water
needs as far as just drinking water? Well you wouldn't want to just take all of it. I mean
it's like that meme where you have that giant conduit pipe going to one guy and it's like you
wouldn't want to just steal all the water for the entire city. Like you want the city to have access
to fresh water so you're not going to just build a giant temple on top of it and just restrict
everybody else from having water. But yeah because here's the thing that in A City Lost they claim
in the film that the reason that they built the city of Jerusalem where they did was they built it
because human beings need water to live and so they're going to build the town. And that if
the spring would have been somewhere else Jerusalem would have been somewhere else because it's like
oh we the people live in the residential area so they could have the water. But then later in A
City Lost they say oh the Romans couldn't have even dipped their toe in the Gihon spring because
that's holy water and that's only for the temple and everything. So if that's the only water and
it's so holy that it can only be used for the temple and everything then what the heck is
everybody else drinking because you know wouldn't it make more sense that you know springs would be
public and that basically people are you know using it for the residential water supply then to just
build a temple on top of it declare it holy and then because they're claiming there's no other
water around. I mean right it makes more sense that the Gihon was like a residential water supply
for a lot of people at times. Go back to my screen again here is all the different water sources
that they have like all the different cisterns and everything and then they even have a giant
aqueduct system that's coming in here. Now again the other side will just say oh well
that was built later but again the traditional view is that the Romans came along and the
aqueducts already built there from northern cities and they're bringing water down
and that they're just simply improving upon the existing water sources. But let's just take their
argument for a second they claim that there's 6 000 troops a legion of troops living up here
with no water. How did they even get water? I mean that's a lot of people just have zero water.
I mean again this is absurd. Well they say in the film they say oh well they're using the cisterns.
The Roman legions using the cisterns that's why they have the cisterns there. That's what they
explain but there has to be running water for the religious stuff for the priestly stuff which is
bull crap because anybody can just open a Bible searching software and search the word running
water search the word living water right search for those terms and if you search for the terms
running water and living water you can find that there's almost nothing I think I don't remember
but it was something like six or seven verses total there's literally like three rituals out
of all the hundreds and hundreds of rituals described regarding the temple and tabernacle
like three of them involve running water it's like cleansing a leper and stuff it's like these very
specific things but according to cornuke in the film just every single day like you clock in for
duty at the temple and the first thing you have to do is wash yourself in running water before
you clock in every day to do your temple duties he's just making that up that is not in the bible
i mean it says to drink waters out of their own cistern and running waters out of thine own well
i mean but again earlier earlier in the passage leviticus it says that birds should be killed
in an earthen vessel over running water and it like it explains to you to like get a vessel and
put it in there and then you're just like pouring the water the water is just moving it is basically
saying you don't want to like putting it in standing water the the running water is is just
talking about it's moving in general doesn't have to be a spring references how many references are
there even to running water in the mosaic law because nine hundreds of rituals and purifications
and you have these baths and you have lavers and you have all of these what they you know they want
to talk about it as a mikvah you know they like to go to the original language but the point is
how many rituals are because this this stuff in song of solomon and jeremiah is not it's not
relevant right just it's really just the mosaic law and and how much is there that really requires
running water it's almost nothing it's three things out of hundreds and yet in the film it's
like oh man you can't even show up for work without running washing yourself and running water
according to him he says you can't have it he says you can't even have a temple without
running water living water like there's no verse in the bible says that that's the actual element
in the room is that he's just making it up the bible doesn't say that it just flat out doesn't
say that any verse in the whole bible does not say can't have the temple without it goes back
to your point pastor thompson about the gibyanites bringing water for the service of the temple right
well there's the molten sea that has 2000 baths obviously that's another access to water through
the lavers so they don't really account for that but i believe that the molten sea was of was heated
so they had hot water to clean off all the instruments and everything that they were doing
wash their hands wash their feet plus you had to purify yourself to even come into the temple area
so that would have been done somewhere else off site which dr fink made a point about that water
again you do in the pool of siloam or something yeah but either way it's just running water is
just kind of like silly because it's just it's just water that's moving it's not like it's some
magical water it's just water that's moving and it's usually moving because of just simply gravity
itself the spring is just simply water that's flowing down off a mountain or something like
that or potentially it could be in a spring underneath but again it's just it's just water
that's moving because of gravity and if you look at how the aqueduct systems work there was just
northern sections of israel where water and snowfall and stuff collects and then they ran
that down through conduits and aqueducts and had just a fountain supply of all kinds of water i
mean what are the things that hezekiah is even stopping you know so that people won't find much
water it's obviously the aqueduct system that already existed before the romans even thought
of existing so you know again their arguments are bad he makes another statement this uh joshua good
i think it's just 15 seconds play clip two real quick at the time uh she in fact surveyed the
guion spring she was adamant the guion spring does not supply water to the temple mount it is
infinite but this well so again saying that the water of the guion spring never supplied water
the temple so this is their expert that they put in their own film let's play clip number three
it's not possible stop sorry with what we know about the measurements of the temple from history
is it possible for it to physically fit in the city of david all right now let's play i mean
absolutely impossible um and before i go into that i mean uh in conversations with elixir
the leading archaeologists every one of them said it's impossible so the entire city of david it is
a ridge of the slope of mount mooyat the lower slopes of mount mooyat it is the top of that ridge
is only 14 acres the temple mount is 35 acres when solomon first began to build it it was a
ridge and what he did was he built platforms and he broadened the area to make an area large enough
for the temple because the temple requires a huge amount so this guy and again i'm just going to
play i'm going to go a quick quick run through these clips he says that it's absolutely impossible
including elijah crone which is another expert in their film so him and elijah crone say it's
literally impossible their theory their theory their theory is wrong it's impossible it's too
small it can't fit all things necessary and even cornuke himself admitted that when they performed
the animal sacrifices the city of david was too small they had to go somewhere else why would you
then put the temple somewhere where you can't even do all the sacrifices that you needed like his
his own statement contradicts his own theory because he's saying it's too small to have all
these sacrifices here duh then why do they why would they have built the temple there all right
let's look at clip four spice we have uh i know that the those that are putting forth the theory
that is down at the city of david they said oh well the temple mount was really the fortress
antonio and they had and they said there was a legion there actually the word angry is identified
as a cohort a cohort is about 600 men at max whereas a legion is six thousand i don't have
any problem with six thousand okay they have a number of ten thousand six thousand ten thousand
the fortress antonia in itself was big enough to house that how many people do we have that are in
the temple on a daily basis we had the letter of eris theis it says there were 700 priests and it
says it's not counting all of the individuals so if you have 700 priests you have 700 levites that's
1400 how many okay i just want to say something about this everybody could be like oh you're
just making stuff up or attacking their theory basically this guy a couple years ago who's the
expert in their own film knows nothing about the new ifb have never contacted him he's making all
the exact same points that we're making he's saying that no the word legion doesn't exist
it's cohort he's saying the city of david's too small for them to have fit he's saying that the
guion spring did not supply the water uh he's saying the temple mount was was not the temple
of the fortress antonio that's what they're claiming because they're the legion but they're
wrong go to clip five and what they're saying is it's right above the guion spring okay so
for you know what are we talking about in reality we're talking about something in their version
is the size of a large department store now that's for the temple building the altar that's for the
inner courtyard the court of the women the outer courtyard and all the buildings that you have
associated all right so we have the cubits the measurement all right what we've discovered is
the there were three different cubits that we know of right now that we use on the temple mount one
was discovered by uh benjamin mazhar and uh by gleen revier it's called the royal cubit it was
the original wall around the temple was called the royal cubit 20.67 inches we discovered and
the mishnah tells us as well as in the book of ezekiel that they used a six handbreads cubit
and then we also have a reference to a five handbreads cubit we discovered the size of
these cubits the six handbread is 23.04 cubits the five handbreads is 19.2 cubits the uh cubit
if we're going to put the temple at the city of david we're going to have a cubit that's less
than six inches which is virtually impossible because the smallest cubit ever discovered in
the world was 14 inches so to you have to deny uh math you have that the size of the temple mount
before hasmoneans expanded it to the south and period extended it further to the south and to
the west and to the north the size of the cubit was 500 cubits by 500 cubits that's 861 feet on
each side guess what you don't have 861 feet going across the top of the city of david so what you're
saying is to do with they are claiming mathematically is impossible it doesn't fit the measurements it
doesn't get the demands of the space you need for all the people that are coming the site okay so
their expert again says you have to deny math to believe that the temple is built on the guion spring
all right i got two more and we'll be done clip six here's him also explaining their theory all
the information about the temple you have to deny everything we have in the bible everything that
we have in the jewish writings of the mishnah in the talmud everything that we have there everything
that we have in josephus because josephus he if you follow it out what he's saying he's describing
a gigantic enormous temple not a little box so this guy who they claim in their own film
is the temple expert and studied for 40 years four decades is saying you have to deny everything in
the bible everything josephus said i mean so cornuke and tommy mcmurtry outsmarted their own expert
and their own why do they even include this guy in their film since he vehemently and vitriolically
disagrees with their own movie like it's just insane i have an answer to that i'll tell you
exactly why they included him because there are no archaeologists or experts who agree with them
zero that's why they can only use archaeologists and experts who don't agree with them because
they're the only game in town because isn't it accurate pastor shelly to say that every actual
archaeologist who like does the job of being an archaeologist disagrees with the premise of a
city lost well there's some that secretly agree but they can't because of fear for their family
it's all just the secret in fact cornukes book chapter one he basically just says like elijah
crone agrees with me but he won't tell anybody publicly and i'm thinking like well if he's so
afraid of that information getting out why would you publish a book and tell everybody that that's
what he believes like wouldn't you think one of the worst ways to hide a secret is having to be
published in a book for people to read about how you actually disagree like if you're going to get
discredited wouldn't you be afraid of a book having your opinion out there claiming that you
believe something alternative well they they also imply this in the film as well because um in fact
i'm going to read for you from the transcript of a city lost it says at one hour four minutes and
11 seconds uh cornuke says to chou crone i think that this is the place of where solomon's temple
was then cornuke comments well of course he didn't think that was true about chou crone like he says
i think this is the place where solomon's temple was of course he didn't think that was true
but then chou crone says well now that you said it there's something amazing i want to show you so
the way that they portray it is like basically chou crone ostensibly doesn't agree but then when
cornuke says it hey i think this is where the temple is then chou crone's like well now that
you said it let me show you something amazing and then he shows him temple zero kind of like it
reminded me of when you know ponch's pilot asks jesus like are you the king of the jews and he's
like well thou sayest yeah it's almost like it's almost like chou crone is saying like well you
said it not me it's it's this this garbage where cornuke is just acting like everybody and their
brother and he does this throughout the movie too everybody and their brother agrees with him
tour guides agree with him scholars on university campuses agree with him chou crone agrees with
them the two top archaeologists that founded archaeology in Jerusalem they all agree with him
but they're like if we confess this openly our families will be killed they'll come after us
we know we'll lose everything we'll lose our jobs we'll lose our prestige it's just this lie so no
one agrees with them openly but according to cornuke and like you said chapter one of his book
everybody secretly agrees with him and it's like taboo and so they're like well you said it not me
yeah but if you watch the movie it seems like elijah crone agrees with them and then the quote
that you're giving like i thought when i heard that that what he was saying is that specific spot
was the temple and he doesn't agree with that particular opinion but that doesn't even
discredit the idea that as a viewer you're thinking elijah crone still believes in their
theory just maybe not that precise location was that exact spot because cornuke if you're if you're
if you're watching the trailer the trailer intentionally misleads and and mcmurtry even
admitted this that the trailer but he's like but paul didn't edit the trailer the trailer
intentionally misleads the viewer that elijah crone agrees with them and it says either he's
lying or he's telling the truth about elijah crone the way the trailer is edited in the film
itself there are these very subtle little disclaimers like well does elijah agree with us on
everything well no he doesn't agree with us on everything or oh he didn't think this was the
exact spot there are these two kind of vague if you blink you'll miss it disclaimers but you are
absolutely right pastor shelly that in general the film is leading you to believe that elijah crone
is on board just like it leads you to believe that joseph good is on board everybody seems like
they're on board if you're just watching a city lost you would think that all the experts on the
screen agree when in reality none of the actual archaeologists and experts agree none of them
right well and let's get let's get his last comment joseph good's last comment here
the you know people a lot of people follow this theory that it was down the city of david but it
does not work will not work uh you know uh elijah told rico cortez and i had gone we had a meeting
with her this is back several years ago and she said she went to one of the the individuals that
was putting forth this theory and said look it doesn't work it won't work it is impossible
and you know if you talk to the archaeologists basically most of them will just laugh because
it's such a ridiculous idea and if you go and you look it'll never work it'll never work the
evidence is there the evidence that shows that the temple mount is exactly where we say the
temple mount is located uh the archaeologists agree the uh the men from the palestine expression
fund they agreed a hundred years ago we have the rabbis agree all the text agree we have there is
ample evidence uh it is uh it is evident that the temple we found the evidence that this is the
temple we know exactly where the temple building was looking now people like to say oh there's a
conspiracy you need to get to the bottom of it the actual truth i don't believe that everybody
that thinks this i think people are caught away not knowing the facts they're caught away and
they run with it but this is enough i mean the guy's clear all of these people secretly told
cornuke that they yeah all of them right yes it's just a conspiracy or whatever right but again
this guy's in their film why didn't they interview one of the guys that secretly agrees with them or
something like that i mean this guy's just over the top he says this view does not hold water
it's just it's it's complete garbage done they should have gotten all of these like secret
agreeers they should have put them in like a room with a shadow over their face and use like a voice
changer yeah i can't tell you i can't tell you that i agree with you but in chapter one of my
book elijah cron secretly agrees with us oh it's it's mystery uncovered like i mean it's just it's
just silly and in fact robert cornuc says explicitly that he believes that the temple zero is solomon's
temple he says he believes that and what's crazy zero is a restaurant i don't even think it's a
temple it may not even be a temple i think it's a restaurant it could be a butcher shop it could be
all kinds of different things there's no there's no evidence that it's a temple other than here's a
funny theory i want to make sure that we're not lionizing well eli shukran here because because
you know they just flatter the crap out of eli shukran every time they talk about him and i guess
to make up for the fact that they're like lying about him in chapter one of the book that they
have to like flatter him to try to balance that out but but you know a lot of people are like
expecting us to just agree with eli shukran and everything even eli shukran makes some bozo
statements because you know what archaeologists make things up for a living they basically just
they find a few little scraps of evidence and then they make up a whole story about it
right and so this whole temple zero thing eli shukran just makes up a big story about this
and one of the things he says in the film is like you cannot wait with olive oil you must use olive
oil right now which is absurd and stupid because sorry olive oil actually lasts for a long time
i think it can handle the trip of like a few thousand feet or whatever when the stuff is
literally shelf stable for months you know i i'm pretty sure yeah but then they even showed jars
where they store it in city lost he's like you must have the olive press right in the temple
you cannot wait with olive oil yeah let's play let's play let's play clip 10 here because we're
getting ahead of ourselves for the audience the audience has no idea we're talking about
let's play this clip to get temple zero because it's this is really confusing recently who was
this director of archaeology in the city of david i think he stumbled across an area that was within
part of the structure of solomon's temple this is from the first temple period even before that
we're going to back to the minerva spirit 800 years before king david would place this around
the time of abraham and mochizadeq they use this place as a worship area and then they still use it
till the end of this area it's like the end of the eighth century began seventh century a bc
this is the only place that we know in the city of david that we can say here it was some worship
with a standing stone with a stela with a place for sacrifice all what we have around here and this
is a place for worship this is a place for praying this is a place for a sacrifice and this is a
place people connect with the god we're here in this incredible archaeological site right below
my feet here is an olive press you can see where the wood beam went in here and they ground the
olives olives are very important for anointing someone going into the temple right close by
within 30 feet we have the guillon springs and you needed that rushing water to anoint the priest
before they went to the temple we also read in scripture where solomon was brought down by a
mule to the guillon springs right here and he was anointed with the oil when he was a crowned king
at the guillon springs which is right where we are and amazingly archaeologists have recently
uncovered this area that is dated to the first temple period and it has within it channels if
you look here this is a channel where the blood ran the blood ran here it would kill the animals
and the blood would go through here we can see where the animals were actually tied up this is
where the rings went through this tethered animal when archaeologists came here they found just piles
of bones all through here evidence of that could be anything grooves in the ground and these are
believed to be the archaeologists here that these were stands like wooden stands or metal stands
so this area here going well over there and here is an old ancient sanctuary which i believe is a
is a part of solomon's temple itself okay now i just want to make a few comments here because
this is what's funny to me first of all he says this is salt he says this is solomon's temple
then they say it's dated back to the time of david then they say it's dated back to the time
of melchizedek so i have to believe that the second temple was so eradicated that all of
the stones just completely disappeared then i have to believe that they were carted off which is
internally consistent then i have to believe that they actually found solomon's temple this is
solomon's temple then they claim it's melchizedek's temple it's like what is literally everything
according to mcmurtry this place is everything temple zero okay like first of all everything
that you just heard it's easy to just listen to archaeologists talk and just believe everything
they say there's a hole in the wall oh well this is where they tied up the animals oh see this is
just a gutter. It could be literally a sewer line. Oh, this is for the blood to run. It's just making
things up. And even everything he describes is like an olive press, uh, tripods for butchering
animals and for the blood to run out. It could literally just be a, it could be a kitchen where
they're just making food for a restaurant or selling. It could be someone's house. It could
be anything. It could just be a pagan temple. It could be a pagan temple. It could be literally
anything. Three tripods, an oil press and a hole in the wall and a gutter. Temple zero,
Melchizedek's temple. But remember, Pastor McMurtry has this bizarre doctrine that there was a
tabernacle, a physical house of God going all the way back to Cain and Abel. And that when the
Bible says that Cain fled from before the presence of the Lord, that he was actually fleeing like a
physical house of God that was there in the days of Cain and Abel. And that in the book of Job,
when Satan presents himself, you know, when the sons of God present themselves before the Lord
and Satan came also among them. Tommy McMurtry thinks that that happened on this earth at a
physical tabernacle. And that Mount Sinai with the building of the tabernacle, like the tabernacle
is nothing new. It's just like, well, now there's a mosaic tabernacle, but you know, all the way
back in Cain and Abel there's a tabernacle, Melchizedek's got a tabernacle. Just like to me,
that doctrine is so weird. It's like Mormon level or Scientology level weird to say that there are
these like tabernacles going all the way back to Cain and Abel. There's too much. Look, there's too
much to say on that. That's going to be a different show. And it's called, it's called, what the heck
did McMurtry say? Because it's insane. Like the millennial reign of Christ pales in comparison to
the 2,700 years that Jesus was ruling and reigning in Jerusalem, but, you know, in the Old Testament.
But we'll get there at another stream. That deserves its own, its own thing. But just like,
think about what we just heard. They're claiming that they found literally Solomon's temple,
but the second temple was completely eradicated. Like, how does that even make sense?
Like you have no, not one stone left upon another, but then here's all these stones left one upon
another. They just contradict their film just endlessly and then just suggest that this,
again, we're in this tiny little cave. Where is this giant temple complex that they ever claim
actually existed? It doesn't fit just like Joseph Good said. It doesn't fit here. It doesn't meet
the measurements. It doesn't fit the history. No one has thought this. They're just showing
you a random cave with some random items, just making up a story. And, you know, again, this is
just crazy because McMurtry just hits this button of everything's temple zero now. It's like he
showed up here and this became his Mecca where just everything that happened in the Bible
happened in this location. We don't even know if it wasn't a pagan area that Ezekiel or somebody
came and saw them like worshiping the sun or like saw all kinds of weird satanic stuff happen. Like
there's just no evidence this is even godly or it was even a temple. Like they all had to have
animals. You know it's just it's just it's just insane. Do you have a comment Pastor Thompson?
I feel like I haven't let Pastor Thompson talk on this. Give us some thoughts. Yeah okay so in my
sermon I kind of mentioned this like so Solomon gets supposedly he gets you know well he he does
go to Gihon and they make him king there right? Yep. So then David goes to a specific place called
the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite but already supposedly the temple is already there
right? So this is where the temple's at right here where they're talking about this place right here.
Temple zero yeah. So like it's like hey I'm gonna you know the the angel of the lord's gonna come
and you know he's gonna show David this place and it's like okay well I'm gonna go and it's like
surprise it's right where you're at already. I mean you're already there. I mean how retarded is that?
Because Pastor Thompson in the trailer don't they say in the trailer this is the this could this be
the temple where Solomon was coronated so they're claiming that there was already a temple there
when Solomon was coronated wouldn't that be where the thrashing floor is at is that what you're
saying? That's what I'm saying yeah and so but then it says it was in a different I mean what
wouldn't it wouldn't it connect all those things like when it connects it with Abraham being mount
Moriah where he sacrificed Isaac and then it does connect it when David goes there and he sacrifices
there it very clearly explains that David could not sacrifice at Gibeah because he was afraid
because of the angel of the Lord but he's not here at this location it doesn't say he's at Giham
which is the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite doesn't say that it's a different place and so
you know it doesn't make sense if that's the same location as the threshing floor of Ornan the
Jebusite it's a different spot so their their whole theory just does not make sense it just
absolutely is full retard well if it's if it's Solomon's temple why do they even call it temple
zero just call it Solomon's temple but they they don't even believe it's Solomon's temple they
believe it's temple it's just always been there they just say it's Melchizedek's temple i mean
can you just like here David wants to show you where it's at he starts walking it's like surprise
it's right here just turn around and go right back where you were you just find a random room
somewhere and all the excavations and it's just magically Melchizedek like just lottery ticket
just oh instant winner we found Melchizedek we don't we don't even know that Melchizedek did
anything in a temple like i've always envisioned it being in an open field because Abraham's out
there battling on the field and like slaughtering people it's i thought it said that Melchizedek came
out to meet him doesn't isn't that what the text says yeah yeah but according to them they're
basically saying that he left his temple and came to meet Abraham but of course there's no temple in
the text this is all just made up you have to read it into it so Melchizedek has a temple now
and it's here it is we found it so did shut up well can't enable we're hanging can't enable
can't enable you're hanging out at the temple okay fact Melchizedek's temple that's how they
this is how they are the just fact no one disagrees no one knows it's on the screen right now can't
you see that circle in that line fact Melchizedek's temple if you don't see this you're dumb
here's the interesting thing about the temple in the bible is isn't there a lot of imagery both
at the tabernacle and the temple like you have special like candelabras and you have like palm
trees pomegranates lions like you have these different imageries it seems like any religious
site is going to be dominated by some kind of symbols or imagery there's going to be a cross
you know on a church in in 2025 or if there's not a cross there's at least going to be some
kind of a text of signage there's going to be artwork you're going to be like religious
artifacts religious texts what religious object have they found at temple zero because when i
watched a city lost and when i watched this stuff about temple zero everything is food related it's
just like it's a gutter for the blood here's where they tied up the animal here's where they
butchered three animals and here's where they pressed olives what what about that is screaming
religion to you because i'm just getting hungry thinking about it well again the point that you're
making is really important because in dr fink's documentary proving the temple mount location
he says they excavated a large section there the muslims and dumped all that dirt out and
when they sifted through it they found all kinds of artifacts and and pottery and just pieces of
solomon's flooring and just like all kinds of stuff that would pertain to that particular
period so it's called the sifting project and they have found like the flooring where did
they find solomon's flooring here where did they find solomon's instruments or structures
they did find they did mention that they found pottery at temple zero but they're not but again
pottery is again food related it's holding food it's holding drinks it's holding oil and stuff
like that but uh pastor thompson you talked earlier about that sifting project wasn't in that sifting
project they weren't just finding just pieces of pottery weren't they finding like really specific
things like like coins and like yeah they're finding coins dating back to that time uh there
was like didn't have like a shop surrounding it there's mosaics there was like like yeah mosaics
flooring special flooring and stuff right piles uh all kinds of stuff yeah they find all kinds of
things that would relate to the temple or the businesses that were even surrounding it at the
time so they dated back to the time of the destruction but yeah lots of pieces of of
what would be the temple the original flooring so what's temple zero god you know that's religious
in nature that that actually is you know a smoking gun that this is even a religious site of any kind
let alone that they're even worshiping the lord because let's face it when we read the bible didn't
they frequently pastor shelley keeps talking about could be a pagan temple because weren't they
frequently also worshiping other gods and didn't they set up altars to other gods on every street
corner of jerusalem the bible says on every corner they've got a false god set up and there's all
kinds of shrines and pagan temples and shrines on every corner of jerusalem so how do we know
this isn't just one of those or like i said even more likely that it's not just a food prep area
there's other um videos on the internet about temple zero and many people argue this was a pagan
temple so like some people are arguing it's a pagan temple elijah crone is claiming it's
melchizedek pastor anderson says it's in and out in its early stages and so you know i guess we're
just gonna have to hold hold all opinions because let's just be honest it's just not a fact i mean
can you can you please at least just admit like there's no actual evidence that this is legitimately
melchizedek or solomon and again you're contradicting your own theory by claiming that
there's not one stone left upon another and then you're like oh here's the temple oh here's solomon's
temple oh here's where they did sacrifices blah blah blah blah like is this supposed to now be
the holy of holies or is this near the the molten sea like what are you even claiming about this
like nothing makes sense it's at the bottom of the mountain too isn't it it's near the guion spring
so it's down it's down like it's down like elevation yeah i mean the spring's down in the
valley wasn't mount mariah on a mountain right well again tommy murtree tommy murtree says
in the film he says mount mariah is zion and he he says specifically like that's that zion the city
of david zion mount mariah zion and that's where the temple was and then earlier in the film they
have another expert claiming that the fortress antonio was built on mount mariah so they just
like again not consistent they they bring up another thing though about this roman legion being
in the in the fortress and they they say they have a smoking gun i wonder if you can pull up
this image can you guys i don't know if i have it labeled i apologize there's it's just like an
f-r-e-t it's just an image i want to see if you can pull this up on the screen it's at the bottom
of our dock just underneath um while we pull that up you had you had mentioned something that i
think may go over the people's heads because you said you said it quickly and i just wanted to
re-emphasize your point they point to the retaining wall of the temple mount platform
and they say well the traditional location can't be true because of this retaining wall because
Jesus said not one stone shall be left upon another but then they're trying to point you to
archaeological evidence for a the structure for the structure of the temple in the city of David
and they're like there's structural evidence for the temple in the city of David but hold on a
second I thought one not one stone will be left upon another so it's like they want to press that
button only for the retaining wall which has nothing to do with the temple but they ignore
that argument when it comes to all the supposed structural evidence that you know they think is
found in the city of David for the temple exactly there's not there's not one stone upon another
when they want it then the opposite's true and Cornuc makes this big this big argument about how
well the fortress antonia is the temple mount because look at this inscription fret which i'm
not even going to argue that this wasn't potentially inscribed by the 10th roman legion
frantensis but at the end of the day like if you look at this i feel like it's the exact opposite
point that he's trying to make he's saying this is the inscription they had at the entrance to
prove that this was their structure but i would say why would it was the label why would you
graffiti your own building because this doesn't look like an actual official label signage they
claim this was the signage at the entrance if this is the signage at the entrance why does it look
like crap it looks like crap that's why it's crooked this is not you labeling something
this is a bored soldier with a couple hours graffitiing so this right here this is this is
a first year latin textbook and inside this textbook every single chapter has a section
on graffiti so that every chapter gives you roman graffiti to read for fun as you're learning latin
because there's just so many examples of graffiti because just like today there's no new thing under
the sun it's graffiti look at it it is not and didn't you have some examples of some some good
inscriptions that you were yeah i want to i want to show like what an actual one would look like
because here's the thing you wouldn't graffiti your own building you would but it would make
sense if it was the temple mount and it's the jewish temple mount that when the romans show
up and they conquer it and they throw all the buildings of the temple off that they would
graffiti one of the retaining walls now here's like an actual monument from the first century
of rome like basically a labeling something like this actually looks like okay this is something
they did on purpose they cut it out it's smooth they smoothed it out like notice how that is flat
the other thing is just a rough rock that just randomly exists someone just walks by and just
hey let's just graffiti the building say hey rome was here man yeah for tensis was here brah
whereas this is like actually explaining something it's inscribed on purpose it's a different color
it's professionally and artistically made so and again this is the same timeline this is the same
era of a type of inscription and you can see the major difference like if it's your own building
that's taken this much time to create you're gonna have a nice inscription to describe like this is
where the 10th Roman legion lives or this is our spot you're not just graffitiing your own building
like that that's a weird argument i mean does this even hold any relevance to you ben like do
you think you're gonna graffiti your own structure no i i certainly wouldn't want to do that but i i
do think the question though would be well then why does that inscription exist and i would point
to the if we want to speculate i mean you know there's a seven-year roman jewish war we know
that in the midst of it the roman empire invades jerusalem they end up destroying the temple perhaps
you know there's some leftover remnants of that in the form of graffiti i'm not sure that's
speculation but you know if there's some markings that seem to have come from the romans then you
could argue that perhaps it's just leftover from the uh the roman jewish war i don't know if you
guys have any thoughts on that or agree disagree it's ugly so it's graffiti there you go it's like a
porta potty when you're bored you know out on job site or something and someone just writes you know
so-and-so was here or something you know that's kind of what it's like so i want to there you go
so so that's a that's a big point that they have like this is that's a big thing they're just
acting like just case closed whatever there's one more and and this is where cornuke just explicitly
states is a mic drop moment like he just proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's right and
they have an image similar to this in the film and i'm going to kind of draw on this but they're
giving a quote from josephus talking about how he specifically uh journeyed and and and just kind
of like went from the pool of xylem up to the temple and i just want i just want to kind of
show on the screen so this is what josephus is saying and this is what's claimed in the movie it
says in this in describing these ancient walls of the city of david he says they went around the pool
of xylem here which is down to the bottom then it says the walls turned east and then the walls
went coming upward in a northern direction so they're saying it went down then it went east
then it's coming up and as it's going up it says then they intersected with the ophlos that is the
place he said is where the eastern cloister of the temple is so they show this image and then they say
that the eastern cloister of the temple is intersecting the ophil now if you look at this
image and it's very similar to what they have in what they present but notice that the ophil then
does connect and intersects with the eastern cloister of the temple mount but here's the
problem in their own film they actually draw a little temple here which again there and you know
for sake let's see if we can change colors real quick let's go to like something else all right
so they have their little temple here okay i'm gonna go back to yellow some yellow color notice
that the eastern cloister of the temple does not intersect with the oval that's over here
yet they draw an x on the screen over here and then and then he just says this intersects the
eastern cloister of the temple which is what joseph says joseph says that the oval intersects with the
eastern cloister of the temple which is over here and then he goes this is a mic drop moment
and i just i couldn't even believe what i was seeing they put this on the screen and then they
claim this is a mic drop moment where the east in the the drawing that they have the eastern cloister
the temple doesn't even touch the oval it's not even anywhere close i mean we're talking about
just a major major discrepancy maybe doesn't understand the word east the northwestern cloister
of their temple they could argue but again it says the eastern cloister of the temple
and that matches exactly what we believe it goes down here comes up the gate would go all the way
up here and then touch that which would make perfect sense because this is a ridge it's kind
of hard to see but this is like going straight downhill this is a huge valley and this is going
straight down it wouldn't make sense to want to build this giant gate all around here like that
doesn't even it doesn't really make sense it doesn't fit the topography would have been super
difficult and and they claim in the movie that this Gihon spring is like at the time of christ
is this gushing geyser that's just like shooting water up like this but it's cold and i'm just
thinking like how did they even build a temple on that like if you have just gushing water just
shooting way up like how are you going to put rocks and stones and buildings on that how are
you going to divert the water long enough to get this temple construction the bible even says that
the second temple was built in 46 years so they just cut off the main water source for the entire
population oh there we go i believe just read a bible verse that just destroys that yeah quickly
in genesis 22 it says and he said take now thy son thine only son isaac whom thou lovest
and get thee into the land of mariah and offer him therefore burnt offering upon one of the
mountains which i will tell thee does that look like a mountain no that's the valley that picture
you just showed is the valley that's down a steep embankment and that that little spot that you drew
right there that's where temple zero is right it's at the bottom according to them the bottom
is that a mountain does that look like a mountain or does that say the kidron valley too the kidron
valley i mean the bible says it's on a mount and it's it's a mount it's one of the mountains
that are there but the kidron valley is mentioned in the bible it's and and then we we don't believe
it changed why would we then use the word why would you use kidron valley and mount mariah
interchangeably when the bible doesn't use it that way people were there don't use it that way
and if you read josephus if you read josephus he says that jerusalem is a city built on two mountains
which it would be this mountain and this mountain and then he claims that there is a valley in
between them and i'm not going to pronounce the name right because it's like trophy on or something
i forgive me i did not pronounce right but they said there was a valley here and then he says they
ended up filling it in so that you could walk between them and that was what became the oafle
so that's why it's called the oafle is because they filled in this valley that was existing
between these two mount peaks and again this one over here is mount mariah it's always been known
as mount mariah only ever been called mount mariah and then the bible just explicitly says
the temple is built on mount mariah which again also the bible says is adjacent the temple was
adjacent to the mount of olives and the mount of olives is over here so the mount of olives and
there's this ridge over here that you can walk to the mount of olives and go back and forth
and the bible is constantly talking about that their little temple over here is not adjacent
to that it's not adjacent to the mount of olives it doesn't match joseph's description it doesn't
match anything that we have in history it doesn't make sense you can't build a building on top of a
geyser like none of none of these things are true none of these things match reality it was not a
mic drop moment it was just simply uh wow this guy needs to be put to bed like grandma and i
appreciate the meme um hey pastor that valley that was there before like in joshua chapter 15
it explains like when it's when they're divvying out the land of juda and caleb kind of you know
he gets his his part but in joshua 15 it explains the kidron valley and explain it kind of just
explains the geography and it talks about this valley of giants that it northward it intercepts
in the valley of giants like do you think that that's what it's talking about is maybe that split
right there i don't know you don't know i'm not familiar i'm not familiar with that passage in
joshua 15 so i'd have to read up on that okay well if you get a chance maybe joshua series
so it's not fresh if you get a chance to just maybe look at it and yeah text there's another
image that i want to pull up with this it's like a 3d view and it just kind of makes it a little
bit easier to see for the audience just because yeah here we go so again this is the pool of
cyclone that we've been showing on that other image and then this is the this is the wall that
josephus described he said that was coming down and sorry i'm not drawing that right you can't
really see it but it's it's coming down and then it goes here east and then it goes up north to
the oafle and then intersects with the cloister of the temple they're just like building some
random magical temple out here where there's just this huge just ridge and just doesn't make any
sense like it just it's just completely asinine it just makes no sense it's just in a random spot
they would have to build so much dirt and then what happened to all the dirt did the dirt just
disappear why would they build in this valley like nothing that these other people believe just makes
sense at all it's just a completely stupid theory it doesn't hold any water it makes no sense
the brook kidron was right there in that valley right there it dried up eventually yeah and in a
storm you know you get all that water rushing in there like who's going to build a temple at a
place where in a desert place where if there's a big amount of rain the storm is going to destroy
any building that's down in the valley well we have a poll can we hand the poll to the chat or how
do i how do i get people to the poll we you just oh you just type yes or no and okay we're doing a
poll in the chat if you believe that the temple was on the temple mount say yes if you believe
it was in the city of david type no so let's just see if we have any nos i'm just curious
if we have anybody it's on the screen but i don't know how that's being calculated just the chat
just picks this up so the chat automatically picks it up just if you put no it'll pick it
up if you put yes and we have some memes that we've made actually i feel like we've made too
many memes on this but we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna have some meme wars here in a minute
but no nos yet still waiting so i guess we're just in an echo chamber it's just a kool-aid
drinking echo chamber we have we have we have what 171 people tuned in on rum ball it's just
it's an absolute echo chamber i just think it's an absolute miracle that 171 people give a rat's
whatever about what we're even talking about yeah i apologize this is kind of like because here's
let's talk about the elephant in the room is that you watch a city lost and you know what i said to
people even years ago because this film's been in production for years and i i said to people years
ago i said you know what as soon as the city lost comes out the part that i'm super interested in
seeing is i want to fast forward i want to watch the last seven minutes of the film because the
last seven minutes of any film is where you have the closing where you explain like why this is
important or what's the takeaway and i'm just like what the heck is going to be the importance or
the takeaway of this film that supposedly according to paul is his most important film ever so he
blew the cover on the pre-trib rapture he exposed the modern bible versions exposed the jews you
know the the military industrial complex all this stuff but no no the most important film that he
ever made is about the location of the temple okay and i'm wondering like what's the big takeaway
and at the end of the film it is so confusing because you have mcmurtry saying oh well you
know the temple's bad and rebuilding the temple's bad and it's of the devil and it's going to be
the anti-christ that inhabits the temple then it goes to cornuke saying like man this is really
exciting that we're building that we could build the temple here because the jews already own the
land so you know if the jews could figure this out they could build right away and then it's just
like and then it's just like yeah this is really cool the bible's literally coming to light before
my eyes and then roll the credits so you're trying to figure out like like mcmurtry's saying temple
bad cornuke sounds excited about it and then it's just like isn't this cool it kind of reminds me of
the chris farley like hey uh you know you remember when uh you remember when you like kind of showed
where you know the like the real um location of the temple was and it's like yeah yeah i remember
that that was awesome it kind of just ends with that was awesome and it's kind of like you don't
really know like why does this matter guess what it doesn't matter and and you know then people
could maybe ask question well why are you doing this live stream then and pastor shelley talked
about at the beginning of the broadcast that although the the location of the temple doesn't
affect the price of tea in china at all the reason that we're fired up about this issue
is because of the fact that we just love truth and so we're just exposing lies and it's more
like this is symbolic of just not caring what the bible says doing crappy scholarship being a fake
scholar being a charlatan or whatever and it's it's more like we're just annoyed by the fact that
it's just lies and fraud it's not that we really care that much about where the temple really is
right and unless someone say that i'm just being sour grapes because a lot of people were saying
online like well if pastor anderson were in this then it would be the coolest thing ever
that's funny because i was offered to participate in this film i was offered to work on this film
because when paul started this project he was a member of our church and you weren't sour grapes
then i literally said no man i'm not interested in that subject at all i don't want to make this
film i don't want anything to do with it i when it was our conference that we were putting on i
was up in my room you know trimming my toenails or something then to sit and watch this thing
yeah well he was he was going to finish the daniel series but do you remember what you
were doing during the original presentation at the marching design conference well i wasn't
really interested but i didn't know about i didn't have a room so i was just kind of sitting there
and i just pulled out my laptop and started working on my sermon because it was so boring
and they weren't talking about anything that made any sense um so i've still not watched it to this
day i still haven't seen it is it is it online somewhere or something because i haven't seen it
i think we should it would be on the dvd of the conference presumably yeah there's a comment
that i want to read because there's a guy that i just found commenting this is this was this is
actual footage so you haven't seen it but here's the actual footage of the conversation that they
had at the conference um see can you pull up yeah okay wow that's really small is there is
there any way what are we looking at here this bigger this is a comment and and bear with me
because i just love i just found this comment i was searching joseph good and i was trying to
find and this is a guy that has obviously nothing to do with the new ifb just a random dude he says
i haven't read ernest martin's book but i've read robert kornuk's book which goes along the same
lines and gives pretty much the same information in conclusion so that's this temple book that
this guy is giving a review on he says being informed from the start about all of the research
on the second temple uninformed kornuk had me sorry being uninformed from the start about all
of the research on the second temple kornuk had me convinced so he's saying again this is their
film could be convincing to an uninformed audience or someone that doesn't know anything they just
believe all these random quotes and all these different statements it says this then i started
studying the actual research that has been done joseph good has been over 40 years learning
everything he can about the second temple it's the location the services practice therein the
architecture the history of jerusalem the geography of the area in and around jerusalem etc he is
considered one of the world's foremost experts on the temple after learning what i know about
the second temple i could barely reread cornukes book it's not only wrong it's dead wrong and if
martin's book is anything like cornukes then it's going to be dead wrong also i can understand why
joseph put the book the book down after page 38 it's like an incoming freshman's first research
paper being presented as a doctrinal thesis it would be rejected before the whole paper had been
read the only thing that i could that one can learn from martin's and cornukes books is what
poor research looks like the evidence is overwhelming and falls on the side of joseph good's teaching
so again this is the guy in their own film this is not some guy just randomly joseph good is in
their own film here's a reviewer saying i watched cornukes stuff fell for it then i actually looked
at the research looked at joseph's information and i realized it's all wrong they're total frauds
their research is garbage that's not my opinion that's not the new ifb's opinion this is joseph
good's opinion yeah and basically the people that love this movie are people that just hate
pastor anderson it's like find me someone that doesn't hate pastor anderson or isn't writing
a book or financially incentivized to like this film that thinks it's awesome i would love to
find that person and you know the x and y of b is just like they want this movie to be so awesome
but i have no problem admitting it was awesome and i'll say this the camera work in the film
is great like paul is a great and a professional production cameraman and he did a really good job
like filming i personally believe he did a good job with cameras and like there's aspects of the
film they're done good the music is pretty good in the film but just the film itself sucks the
story writing is garbage it's horrible they have two intros at the beginning of the film which is
confusing it's boring it takes forever to get there and just a tip to them is this like nobody
cares like i'm trying my hardest to drum up attention to this and i can't even hardly do it
people just don't care people come up to me say i have no interest in this i don't want to know
i mean these are like the lowest numbers we've ever had on the baptist bias because it's just
like people don't care about the subject and i'm just like throwing them a bone but again like at
the end of the day like i don't care if everybody watched it and got saved from the movie like that
would be great because if they ever found our content they would be like wow this is so much
better and and frankly speaking the film is just well yeah honestly like you know but i'm mad my
personal perspective as pastor anderson you know like it's in my best interest that this film
would succeed and thrive and do well because if the film succeeds and thrives and does well
then basically everybody's going to look at paul's body of work and they're going to look at all of
his past films and most of those films are starring moi and written and co-produced by moi and so
therefore like obviously yeah i would want people to love this film if it were a legitimate film
and then if paul if paul and i went our separate ways and then he's making awesome films people
are going to go back and listen to his old album and then they're going to be watching what after
the tribulation new world order bible versions marching design babalon usa and the revelation
series and all that stuff and but at the end of the day like i'm sorry but people like robert
cornuke just piss me off people like ron wyatt piss me off it just it's a pet peeve of mine fake
scholarship this kind of just charlatan kind of just garbage of just oh look we found the arc of
the covenant in ethiopia oh look it's paul shipper it's just all this just made up junk people like
this just irritate me and you know what super irritates me is somebody who keeps saying oh the
bible says this the bible says that jesus said this jesus said that and it's nowhere in the bible
and that is what happens throughout a city loss is just cornuke telling you what the bible says
and it's it's not what the bible says and just he'll just make claims or they'll read a bible
verse and then just make a claim about that verse that was nowhere in the verse or or cornuke saying
oh the you know the bible mentions tradition 14 times and all of them are negative nah man not so
much there are two positive mentions of tradition in the bible right to me this kind of error you
know call me ocd but it's just it's just irritating when just every minute or two in the film there
are factual errors and really here's the thing when when i was working with paul i was sitting
and watching these films and like fact checking everything and and going over it and saying hey
you know i i would listen to like two hour interviews that we did you know let's say we
did like a two hour interview with tex mars you know which was a tex mars a great guy and i i
loved meeting him i loved interviewing him and i went and sat and watched the two hour interview
with tex mars and i fact checked everything he said and a lot of it was great a lot of it panned
out but there were certain things in that interview that he says and then i i went and fact
checked him he's still an awesome guy loved the interview loved him in the films but not everything
he said panned out when it was scrutinized and fact checked and so part of the job of working
on a film like this is going through and vetting everything and making sure that the film can stand
up to criticism and scrutiny because you don't want your answer to everything be oh we're human
we were speaking off the cuff oh we misspoke oh i misspoke about the wrath and the tribulation
oh i misspoke it's everything's a misspeak because we're human well you know you just
if tommy mcmurtry is going to step into my role going forward like you know and be teaming up
with paul on films because you know i teamed up with paul in these films if boyle or mcmurtry or
someone else is going to step in and fill that role then they're going to have to do what i did
yeah which is to sit down and watch the film and fact check it and not just be like oh this is so
cool i'm in a movie cool just yes looks good looks good rubber stamp everything it's like somebody
needs to be addressed like like if it's so easy for us to pick the film apart why couldn't the
people that are working with paul on this you know why couldn't they pick it apart while it's
in production before it's too late like wouldn't it have been mcmurtry's job or boyle's job to say
hey this bible quote's inaccurate this this citation is inaccurate this fact is inaccurate
this is spelled wrong you know what i mean like that's that's the kind of thing that you would
expect them to do if it was one two three mistakes i get it you know whatever but when when the film
is just wall to wall mistakes it makes you wonder if they cut out all the mistakes they wouldn't
have a film they just i mean there's just there's just almost nothing in the film that's accurate
it's filled with just error false docker there's one really accurate statement in the film that
that's that's bulletproof and that's the statement we know that gold melts in fire yeah sorry that i
i forgot like we and we know that gold and silver melt and fire just fat have a hard time arguing
with that that's the best line of the narrator the narrator just sounds so just confused because the
the writing is just so poor and look i'm mad got a good voice yeah i'm just mad because people in my
church people in the new ifb friends that i have donated to this secret project to this idea that
they're gonna have this great thing and then it's just it's just not obviously hard you know hard
evidence there's not anything good here this is a complete train wreck anybody that actually is
knowledgeable about this subject it's it's honestly funny like the movie's a comedy at how bad it is
and how many mistakes it is and so you know honestly for me it just it just kept being funny
like how many times they just make up random accusations just random baseless claims it just
hey you know the border program said this did at least like how do they know that they say about
Josephus he says everything he wrote about geographically was precise how does Cornute
get to make a claim like that like how do you just know fact everything Josephus wrote geographically
was precise again just wild claims assertions no evidence when you look up their quotes
they're wrong their own experts in their own film disagree and look it's okay to put a contrary
expert in a film but you'd want to present them as a contrary expert like james white in new world
or the bible versions but nobody walks away watching that film thinking james white's on
their side he's an obvious antagonist in the film whereas their quote protagonists are are saying
publicly this is wrong this doesn't hold any water you're denying math you're denying history you're
denying archaeology you're denying the bible like that's your own expert i didn't even have to go
find somebody disagree with the film you provided them for me with your own quote expert witnesses
and of course people make mistakes in films the preserve bible i think somebody finally found a
mistake in our film and sent it to me where we had like a uh a miss quote on a bible chapter
it's just wrong like we accidentally had the wrong reference something on one of the verses
so yeah comparisons i get it every film has a few mistakes but you know what you're not going to
find is just every minute marker a false claim things that are not true inaccuracies that's
frustrating because like we watched it a thousand times and somehow it still slips and look we did
watch it a bunch of times and anytime there was something slightly off or not accurate
we would just drop it cut it replace it i mean there were many times where i put something in
there and added a citation and you're like i want to see this source and i'll show it to you and
you're kind of and and then there were there were several instances where you said this is not
a good source you know you just took it from a website or something and that's me and my
inexperience you know the bible tells us sound speech that cannot be condemned but he does the
contrary part may be ashamed you know having no evil thing to say of you your mentality for that
documentary was you wanted to make sure it was as bulletproof as possible so that the opposition
couldn't pick it apart like crazy yeah because of inaccuracies and stuff like that and if there were
some things that you saw that maybe could lead to that happening you told me to delete it cut it
and and i didn't go online by the way and whine and complain and moan and cry about it in a big
long post because that's not normal that's weird just freaking get over it you don't have to make
all the decisions go ahead sorry i just wanted to say pastor mcmurtry said oh we could probably do
the same thing with after the tribulation and new world order bob version marching design we could
fight no you just you can't you know because because i feel like if you go back and watch
after the tribulation marching design and babylon usa i would say that they've stood the test of time
and that people have not gone through and ripped them apart factually or otherwise now when new
world order bible versions came out it had some really stupid typos in the first edition because
of the fact that paul changed some graphics after the last i had watched what i thought was the
last rendition of it and then he had changed some graphics and introduced some typological errors
and i was like super humiliated and and whatever that the fact that at the screening it had these
and then you know it was fixed right after that but it was like but no if you go but other than
that that's the only time i remember anything uh you know egregious making it into a film was in
that first edition of new world order bible versions there were some graphics that i'd never
seen i thought i had you know watched the latest version but he had changed some stuff at the last
minute and it was it was trying to sneak sneak it in there or what it was a miscommunication
you know i was i thought that i had seen it and i hadn't and so i hadn't actually proofread the
final whatever but again go back and watch after the tribulation and it was just a couple of
misspellings well he's been begging to come on the show after the tribulation and i want him to just
find 30 problems with after the tribulation and 30 problems with marching design and 30 problems
with whatever and point out this kind of stuff right you know i think you're gonna have a really
hard time doing it because those films are i have stood the test of time in my well mcmurtry really
believes in this film just like he believes the roman centurion saw into the holy of holies i
think i think we actually have a picture of the guy who saw the veil the roman soldier see if
you can find that image and pull him up because i think we found him but yeah i don't feel like
we've seen all the meme shit but here's the thing i will debate tommy McMurtry on this show about
this subject whenever he wants so i've already contacted a mutual friend donnie budinski for
standing for truth i offered him to moderate i he thinks he's he's can crush us on this and he's so
much smarter than us i am willing for him to crush me on this subject because even though i've milked
this cow dry i'm willing to milk it another time just for the benefit because you know why do you
want to keep talking about apparently i'm just so i'm just so well he will never do it i don't
think he would ever do it because he's already been destroyed in this everything he said is
contradictory um we're gonna make a whole movie about it he's already talking about the next movie
is golgotha yeah it's again it's gonna be another adjustment it's dead on arrival look there's no
demand for this nobody's interested in this topic i'm exhausting it as much as you could possibly do
and i'm still willing to do it more if he thinks he can shut me down if he thinks he can prove
everything we said in this broadcast wrong i am i'm willing to give him equal time to to present
his nonsensical arguments and and kind of just move his way around and just say well that's not
what we meant that's not what we said like i don't think that's really how it went down and just kind
of just word salad he's welcomed he's welcome to do it but you know i don't personally don't think
he would ever do it i invited him to come on the show uh months ago before any of the drama even
happened between us and i said something about him coming to present his end times view because
i don't even know if he knows what his end times view i was curious if he could explain to me what
his end times view was and he refused to come on the show but now he's just like begging everybody
if he can come on the show well here's your open invitation tonight he was begging to come on
tonight right everywhere yes comments he's messaging ben he's just like i well i well you
know maybe you're willing to talk to that idiot on the air but i'm not yeah no i mean i mean i guess
if i wanted to talk to him about something i would want to talk to him about that preaching
clip where he preached four years ago about like horse whipping women and giving them a spanking
and everything like that and then and then now all of a sudden he's just this champion
of just how that's just the worst thing in the world when he got up and unironically preached
that years ago you know let's you know that's that's the only thing i'm interested in talking
about but i'm not gonna i wouldn't even give that idiot the equal time because of the fact that like
at least as as crappy of a subject as this is at least the enjoyable thing about this broadcast is
that all four of us are making sense like why do you want to just subject your viewers and this is
why i don't like debates in general why would you want to subject your viewers to having to listen
to 50 of the time somebody who's full of crap who doesn't have any coherent view on where the temple
is it changes all the time he doesn't even agree with a city lost he's contradicting a city lost
okay he has no coherent end times view all he does is debunk everyone else's end times view
but he cannot articulate his view where's his chart where's his coherent fully developed view
on the end times okay it isn't there where's the actual drawing that we can pin them down on on
exactly where the temple was they don't tell you that it's just oh sometimes it's in the
Jebusite fortress sometimes it's outside the Jebusite fortress the guy is a bozo and making
your viewers listen to that bozo for 50 percent of the broadcast isn't fair like at least tonight
off the cuff all four of us are here making sense and people are actually learning stuff and we're
still hearing from the other side by playing the clips from from the film i i agree with everything
that you said but i i'm still just a glutton for punishment and i'm i'm willing to you know have my
ears bleed for a little bit of time just just so he can at least say he got his opportunity
to to shut us down and and prove me wrong and blah blah blah because obviously like like he's
a schoolyard bully or something but he wouldn't have the guts to say any of that stuff to anybody's
face but you know it's just the way he picks fights like i won't even bring up your kids and
i won't bring up how dumb tom said it's like you just did though it's just like yeah that's how
you're doing it though like you think we're stupid enough to actually follow your dumb tricks it's
like i mean i gave an open invitation to jonathan burris and he wouldn't do it i don't think any of
these people would would debate on any any subject because they're cowards and they don't have a real
view and they know they're wrong and mcmurtry is extremely wrong on this and mcmurtry's become
extremely prideful and arrogant he's very arrogant and he made another video uh that we're gonna
we're gonna show some clips from in another stream and he taught some of the most bizarre things i've
ever heard and just like strange heresies that no one else i think even believes i don't think
there's another person on the planet even believes what he's been teaching about the temple zero and
all kinds of just strange heretical views and it just kind of goes to show like when you become
prideful and arrogant and you just hate god's people god can just like blind you mentally to
where you just believe dumb things you harken to lies and i think that's what's happening i think
paul and mcmurtry have just harkened a bunch of lies and then they've drawn a lot of liars and
railers and weirdos out of our churches from all of their nonsense they've been spewing for the
last six months because they have fallen victim of a spiritual blindness and we're watching it
before our eyes why is it that they have these dumb views there's something wrong with them
there's something wrong with them spiritually they don't care for the truth they don't care
for what the bible says and we're just we're just showing it to the world we're showing these people
don't care about the truth they don't actually fact check anything they don't care about
researching anything they're pseudo intellectuals they just want attention they want people to say
look at me and it just kind of sad to watch people just attack people of god and come up with dumb
lies and steal money from people look i think it's stealing money from people to make a film
that they don't know they disagree with yet because no one disagreed with marching to zion
after it was made no one disagreed with after the tribulation like the people that donated the film
they were like can i get my money back because this is totally not what i thought it was
they got what this is totally misrepresenting whereas there's many people that have approached
me and said wow i totally regret giving money to this project i totally disagree with this
project i don't like this project it's super boring like i would have never given my money
to this like it's complete open thievery to just take a bunch of money from people on this quote
secret project thinking that pastor anderson is going to be in it thinking that it's going
to be similar to other films that have been made and then it's just not with him it's totally
deceptive you know move your donation from the daniel series to covid land and you know he can
he sit here and complain about how the daniel series is terrible but he was never going to get
it done i mean riddle me this when was paul going to ever get that film done or get that that that
project series done and then he has to complain about us giving him money to finish it for him
well hold on a second didn't he do like 80 of the editing of episode one of i think it was higher
than that so so then why is there no discernible difference in quality between episode one and the
other episodes if supposedly the quality went down then why is the quality consistent throughout the
daniel series because i think the daniel series is great when if you compare it to the revelation
series i'm not going to say that it's you were talking about it i mean i don't think that there's
an obvious difference even between it and the revelation series negative the revelation series
is maybe a little bit more entertaining as a subject matter to some people like more people
maybe have more interest in revelation but we're also comparing oranges to apples here because when
youtube was hot like you just put something out it's going to get tons and tons of views whereas
now we don't have the same case you could easily make the case that the daniel series is the
superior product i like a lot of the daniel series and i thought it was good it had better b-roll
like the other the revelation series didn't even have any b-roll and you know the bible
shots it had a few it had a little bit of i mean but here's the thing those episode one and episode
two tell me the major differences between them and look ben did a great job on this
and ben's a good editor and you know he can say we did it half-heartedly but let's say we don't
have the skill that paul does we still put our effort energy into it and try to get it done
and you know what we got it done it didn't take us like five years to not do it it took us like
six months to do it we like actually accomplished it why didn't he just accomplish it even though
you even offered him more money to get it done you were offering him even more money to edit it and
get it done the guy he said he said that the reason why he didn't get it done is because this
project was urgent yeah okay well it still isn't out and then covid land was urgent but he he
thought that this project was urgent as well if this project was urgent in the year of our lord
2020 then why is it april 5th 2025 and a city lost is still not out yet i mean people at home
are asking how have you guys even seen this how did pastor shelly and pastor anderson and pastor
thompson how have you guys even seen a city lost because let's make it clear to the viewer at home
this film has not come out yet this film might come out in may but it is not yet released well
and again you know paul's like threatening to sue me about this and it's just like i thought we
weren't supposed to sue brothers in christ but you know i i mean i i don't even know what's going
on like it's just you know this it's just it's just sad to see paul is talented paul's a good
cameraman paul has connections he could make some really good film still he could make some really
good projects and it's just sad to see all of that talent wasted on a project like this stealing the
money and the donations from people stealing everybody's time coming out with such a product
that is just not polished tons of mistakes but again if you cut out all the mistakes you don't
have a film so you know it definitely needed the mistakes in order to carry the film forward
it's a repackaging of cornukes book if you read cornukes book you already know everything if you
watch his documentary if you watch cornukes temple can't you watch cornukes temple documentary on
youtube for free yeah that's what we shared tonight and make it clear we didn't show any of
paul's movie or anything like that we just showed things you can find on the internet things that
you can find in cornukes documentary the publicly released trailer that paul made you know i wouldn't
want to release his film earlier do anything like that i don't have anything to do with it but you
know if you want to pay money to watch a city lost you can if you if you want to watch i don't even
think i don't where can people go to pay money to watch city lost on april 5th 2025 they can't pay
money to watch this film anywhere that's my understanding i mean i know that there was like
a theater where it was played in illinois or michigan or whatever uh for like friends and family
and and you know church people there and then i know that obviously some people have been sent out
like um you know people who are big donors got advanced copies of the film we've seen advanced
copies of the film but i'm saying the viewer at home if they want to go watch a city lost right now
they can't even watch it because it's not even out yet but one of the people documentary they're
getting all the same information am i right so so if they want to save a buck or two they can just
if they want to if they want to hurt themselves if they hate themselves then they can just go watch
cornukes temple documentary on youtube yeah the guy same stuff how many how many how many
documentaries have you put out since 2020 three well four i mean that include the daniel series yeah so
so we did we did um it would include daniel series sodomite deception we did the preserved bible then
we did lgbt terrace and then we did the daniel series and now we're working on a soul winning
documentary so so the daniel series is is so you basically did 11 you know i know there's 12 chapters
and daniel but you said that one 13 we did 13 episodes uh admittedly we didn't do the camera
work at all that's all paul paul did all the camera work and paul did i mean paul pretty much
edited episode one i mean we barely did anything to episode one and so you know of course hasn't
come out with one or he's come out with oh he came out with covid land he came out with three
movies he came out with the one two and three yeah he came out with a trilogy of covid land
and then okay and then um and then he came out with like a um a prequel to a city lost although
i don't think he knows what the word prequel means because that's not what the word prequel means
but like he came out with a so-called prequel yeah which is like a 25 minute short or whatever and
then a city lost is not yet out but it's it's coming soon then how much money did you ask for
how much money did you ask for for all that me i've received zero dollars for any of these films
okay yeah pastor shelly you did you did you say to people we need money to get these films out
the door and people get and people could talk about how like we paid you know yeah but paul's
paul's quality is way better well you know what i sat in the theater and watched preserve bible
and i'll say it right now preserve bible is superior to new world order bible versions as a
film how much did i pay you to say that no that's my opinion i mean and i'm a co-producer of new
world order bible versions and i did not produce their bible at all it just pisses me off to have
him slam i will i read his his little editorial thing that he wrote his little slam of you guys
and i watched some of your your direct i mean you did help direct i i don't know if it was
uh babalon usa pastor anderson but you remember when you were we were doing all those interviews
of the pastors where we'd sit down and we would tell little stories of our lives or whatever well
i got outside the editing room yeah and i don't know were you doing uh babalon usa was that what
that was and you and paul were you were directing him on what you wanted to cut out of the film
but like you're like no i don't like that i like this let's do this with that and i'm sure that's
what you do after shelly yeah the film that i was barely involved in as far as that i wasn't super
involved in was after the tribulation like because i was working a full-time job at time but i still
spent hours and hours at all's apartment at the time watching cuts of the film and giving critiques
and stuff so i did get a co-producer credit on after the tribulation because i did help him with
some of that stuff but i was the least involved with after the tribulation but new world of bible
versions marching design babalon usa beyond jordan look at the just look at the credits of the film
i'm listed as a full producer credit not and and it's not that's not from donating that's from
doing the job and more importantly i'm listed as the writer of the films and it's not steven
anderson and paul wittenberger it's written by steven anderson okay each of those films look at
the credits look at imdb look at the movies themselves look at the back of the jacket of
the film and i was heavily involved in you know making editing decisions and writing the script
writing the outline writing the film crafting the film from the beginning middle and and throughout
the process post production all of it i was traveling i was doing the interviews i was doing
stuff the only other one that i was not very involved in was i was not very involved in
deported because most of the movie takes place even after i was gone and i wasn't really heavily
involved in the production of deported but but when it comes to like beyond jordan Babylon USA
march and design new world order i was super involved doing half the work you know and he
tries to downplay that yeah and so like you know he's he's doing all these copyright strikes and
all this stuff but like don't you i mean what do you just not have any any rights to any of
those films at all because of no i don't obviously the the films belong to him i have no problem with
the films belonging to him that but we we always had an agreement that i was allowed to distribute
the films online for free that the films would be available to watch for free on youtube and i could
distribute them physical copies for free so i could distribute i could get at cost as many dvds
as i want and physically hand them out for free and that it would be available for free online
he has since reneged on that okay but i i never he offered me money to at various points for
working on these films and he offered me a cut or offered me money and i always said no because
it's like i didn't need money i get a paycheck from the local church i don't care i just said
look all i want is to be able to distribute it for free that's why i did all this work was to get
the information out for free and and and here's the thing he can huff and puff and blow the house
down anybody can watch any of these films for free right now and so it's like you know what i it
doesn't really bother me that much that he has lied and and filed these copyright claims and broken
his agreement and broken his word because at the end of the day we're still going to continue to
hand out copies of the film anybody can watch it online there are tons of websites where people
can watch it people can email the church and we can set them up with any of these films and you
know what paul you can go jump in a lake paul and you know what come sue me paul now because i don't
own anything i want to give some credence to our uh chatters and k river 16 says that they watched
the stupid movie that direct quote i watched it stupid movie he said yes after watching it it gave
me a headache and he says he doesn't agree with their movie so i don't i'm just kind of curious
if anybody else in our chat has actually seen the film someone else ernie 1611 says never go
full mcmurtry oh man first worker said let's go or let's get pastor mcmurtry here to see
what mrs mcmurtry thinks about all this ernie says a prequel coming out before the actual film
laugh face uh we have osas 2001 uh saying you guys did great um rosemary heim says i love
the daniel series god bless ben that's right bam and god bless texas yeah god bless texas amen
21 trip says after the city lost one you don't mess with said paul will have a hard time selling
yeah i mean i i really don't know what to expect i mean i feel like unless they could get a tv deal
there's almost like no chance that they're going to get some kind of profit from this because i
just i just don't think the general populace is going to want to pay for something like this
you know another guy bro joe steve the bro j stew says i have seen it too does that mean you like
it or what i don't know he didn't give a comment he just just i've seen it and uh my prediction
bankruptcy in the near future my prediction okay river says that they paid for it so they i guess
they they paid to see the film um bro stew says no it's bad i mean again i think that they had
like a hundred people for the first airing they they watched it in a theater up in illinois
somewhere or something and rave reviews i think it got a gold medal at a film festival i think
there was three films entered entered into the documentary category and paul got first out of
the three um i know that it was entered into the international christian film festival and i think
that i i it's still supposed to air maybe in the future i think like they now what were the other
two films that city lost was going up against wasn't one of them a guy who died and went to
heaven for a while and then came back yeah he said it was 20 years ago and he doesn't really
remember it anymore but then they made a film about it and i saw an interview where they asked
him they said hey describe for us what heaven was like what did you see and he said pure joy
and then they just move on still sounds more entertaining i was kind of curious to see like
what i mean i guess you know that was the film you know there was another film where it was
like something like a bunch of teenagers were competing on some kind of like tv show competition
to like build something i don't know i wasn't really like so this was like a really prestigious
film festival i think they have like 50 speakers and i didn't recognize any of them now admittedly
i'm not necessarily super into christian films i've always thought they were cringe and really
horribly made so i'm not sure if they've changed since then but pretty much every single person
at this film festival that was a speaker like 50 something speakers or something i didn't recognize
any of them now that doesn't mean that they aren't super popular super famous they may be
but i just didn't notice anybody that i could pick out of the crowd the guy who said that he
paid for it k river 1611 also just wanted to make sure you knew that he asked for a refund perfect
i mean that's probably what you should do i mean you should just say hey i don't really agree
but i mean i don't know if there's refunds i mean hey i don't know how you would just don't just
don't donate the secret projects yeah sorry for the danis series yeah i mean it's just it look it's
just sad and you know there's i think we should just play there's a song that uh somebody made i
don't even know it's it's like two hours lost or something like that i don't know two hours lost
can we can we find this that was awesome um if you can find it just just tee it up and and we'll
just end with the song because i don't it's two hours long i want to put in our crew get this i
want to put the pastors on the spot real quick what's your favorite ai song that's come out on
that nifb parody channel if you had to pick one that's my favorite one it's hard to pick because
there's so many bangers on that nifb parody channel it's hard to pick but like some of the
ones that pop in my mind are finish the job by pastor Jimenez oh man i mean that one's a real
banger and then uh bring bring back the 2006 pastor anderson that was another uh that was
another one i like i think i heard that one i knew you caught up yeah somebody put in the chat amanda's
echo is their favorite yeah that one that one was really good oh man yeah i mean i don't know what's
going on with that but i guess there's too much to make fun of i mean honestly this you know these
people if anything at least they give us a little bit of comic relief and uh it's pretty just it
just but it is sad it's like i i would rather be working with them on making cool movies and like
doing something building something but at the same time i think it's important to watch what's
happening and just for people to realize you can go down a bad path you can become extremely prideful
and hateful towards your brethren and then you're going to make dumb movies you're going to make
dumb projects your projects are going to be in vain um you know i i thought that hollywood this
was kind of weird to me i thought that hollywood for the most part they gave awards out to films
that were successful like they they would have the film come out and then like everybody watched it
and it was a blockbuster and they made all their money and it was super awesome and then they gave
them award for best actor best film all this stuff it seems like it's kind of weird to get all these
awards for a film that hasn't even come out that like the general public hasn't actually critiqued
yet if you even look at the the worldly films though they come out at these film festivals
sometimes and they will win a ton of awards at a film festival and then they'll flop at the box
office that that is definitely something that exists because you know the critics loved it maybe
because it was really cerebral or something but the general public wasn't entertained you know
and and and so there is that you're talking about like an academy award yeah which happens after
whereas like if it's like the sundance film festival or something then that'll happen like
i think before it comes out but i mean like major blockbuster films do they really i mean
maybe i'm ignorant but do they really put take them to all these film festivals i feel like not
necessarily i don't think so i think it's only certain types of films but i'm not an expert on
it either so all right so we're gonna finish we're gonna finish the show we're gonna give you last
few minutes to say something and then we're just gonna we're gonna just cut cut our feet and just
play uh a song to end the stream so thanks so much this subject has just been really rough
and we're just i don't know what you're talking about this is the most exciting subject in the
history of my vlog but i do want to make one plug we're gonna do the mega marathon april 19th
we're gonna do a live stream about it and post the results you guys are both welcome to come back on
the the mega marathon stream if you want and just to talk about any experiences you had but i think
that pastor stuckey is going to join the mega marathon results train um we also have pastor
thompson pastor anderson i think a lot of our friends some of our friend churches are going to
be participating if you want to participate or you want your church to participate let them know
and have them email us and we will include their results or get them in contact but we're trying
to do a big push for soul winning marathon mega marathon april 19th the day before easter it's a
saturday we're going to be doing a marathon in uh pretty close to our church in mcgallen not mcgallen
what is the name of the stupid place dang it uh it's just on the other side of jopool lake
it's mid it's not midlothian it's mansfield sorry mansfield we're having our marathon
and i didn't know mega marathon was back that's cool yeah yeah mega marathon uh i don't know how
many people are going to participate but and and i might make another short video i think it's kind
of it's kind of a maybe a little bit of a soft launch of it this year yeah churches are pitching
in but uh you know maybe next year we can do like a big push and get a lot of people involved and
really uh do something big so it's more of a i think it's more of just kind of a uh a smaller
one this year but i think next year is going to be we could probably you know put more planning
and effort and and do something big with it next year again amen but uh but one thing i'd like to
plug i just want to plug real quick that um oh go ahead 25th april 25th i'm preaching in seattle
seattle april 25th yeah d down b square pastor thompson what do you want to plug you got your
kvg conference coming up anything else you want to say yeah well pastor anderson's coming to seattle
um that's friday april 25th at 7 p.m don't uh think you're going to leave at the last second
and drive some place from distant washington on a friday just think you're going to drift in on
regular time just try to get there early early they'll be going into two o'clock check out the
video on our youtube page and you'll see all the details for the whole weekend events that are
going on we're going to have a solidly marathon on saturday i'll be preaching there on sunday
and we have a building there address in the description of the video so um and yeah we're
having the big conference coming up it's coming up quicker than i realize but it's still coming up
quick so pastor anderson pastor shelly pastor mahi will be preaching at the conference then
the baptist will be there to do q and a's we're trying to set up a q and a or we're trying to
set up like a podcast room to maybe do some baptist bias before uh that's right for preaching services
every day we're gonna do a hike on beacon rock on friday at 10 a.m beacon rocks on the washington
side yeah it's in vancouver washington it's is mark ward gonna be speaking um no no he's uh he's
uninvited this year unless you wanted to debate him or something i don't even want to hear him
speak for five seconds i'm just glad he's not even gonna be in the building um you'd have to
have one of those voice things like you were talking about earlier like where he has a dark
but over his face of him like he's a dog like this or something yeah we'd have to put some
granules in his mouth or something but anyway yeah so the KGB conference pastor is kicking
it off on thursday night and he's actually preaching two sermons this year so um he's
gonna it's gonna be you know it's gonna be new material he says and so um thursday night and then
pastor mahiya friday night and uh pastor inderson saturday morning we're gonna have a barbecue on
saturday after the morning service and then sunday's pastor shelly then i'll be preaching
the last portion of the conference gotta be there yeah it's gonna be great and uh it's gonna be all
new decorations this year it's gonna look nice and it's the red hot preaching substitute am i
right yeah this is gonna be uh the first big conference of the year so um i hope everybody
shows up and then we got fvb we got fvbf in august which will have both of you guys out uh fvb
at the end of august that's also another substitute in case the viewers are wondering it's because the
red hot preaching conference was cancelled this year we don't know if it's going to be back next
year or what but pastor Jimenez had cancelled the conference for this year so you know if you're
looking for that option around that time of year the kjv conference in portland oregon area or the
fire breathing baptist fellowship in dallas area that's in what august yeah 28 through the 31st
those are two great options like everybody's lamenting the fact that there's not gonna be a
red hot preaching conference but i mean these these two conferences it's not like we're gonna
bring soft preaching at these conferences so it's gonna we're gonna be ripping face am i right
yeah i do i do like that parody song bring back the red hot so you know i'm all in favor for that
but uh anything any last words there pastor anderson nope that's i have spoken ben what do
you got for us mark ward sounds like a faggot i feel like that was too kind of a comment so
that's pretty much gonna do it for us on the baptist bias thanks guys i know this is an exhausting
topic uh you lost a couple hours but you know we'll give you a song to console yourself
two hours lost guys you got to get the baptist bias and check us out we're gonna have a couple
more episodes soon sat down in the dark with popcorn did he lost they said some grand old
plan jerusalem's right there everybody knows it through history's glare then jane's town's name
slipped out a whispered tease i'm lost my mind's disease my soul's been bruised a film so dull i'm
just confused spelling's wrong the plot's a mess temple talk but i care less too lost and now she's
gone but it all the temple it's sacred ground these words is found true or so after just that
james town's just pure distress but it's wrong i stayed in james town