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And now, live from the Valley of the Sun, your host, Roxy Lopez.
And I hope you're having a great evening. I love the holidays, don't you? We're halfway
through the month of December, pretty much, and I really look forward to Christmas, New
Year's, and all the rest. We have a lot going on at The Truth Denied. We participated in
quite a few fundraisers for some of our colleagues. And of course, I just want to congratulate
my home here, Revolution Radio. They had a telethon all weekend, and it was quite amazing.
Apparently, I got word that a thousand dollars was raised, and that's just absolutely fabulous.
So congratulations to Revolution Radio, and I want to thank our beloved owner and someone
who works extremely hard at keeping this all going, which is Hawk, Nighthawk, and he's
just doing a fabulous job. He is here, rain or shine, kind of like the postman, except
24-7. I don't know, this man just never even gets to sleep. Anyway, our show tonight is
going to be very educational for you all, and my first guest that will be joining us
shortly. His name is Howard Stein, and a lot of you are very familiar with Howard Stein.
If you want to look at some of the interviews I've done with Howard prior, just go to our
YouTube channel or go ahead and go to our website, which is thetruthdenied.com, and
just put in the search engine there, Howard Stein, and you'll get all the information
up. But Howard is a brilliant man. He is not an activist, per se. He does radio. He does
music on 7, 8, 90 hits all the time, all around the clock, and he actually is somebody that
I met many years ago, and he wasn't part of the conspiracy theories or whatsoever, but
a couple of years ago, he started to notice something, and he started to look into it
and read into a lot of information revolving around the year 2012. And as you all know,
this has become, for many years, 2012, and here we are, and here we are several days
away from the end of the Mayan calendar, December 21, 2012, and this has sparked many people's
not only imagination, but it's brought on fear. Many religious groups think it's the
end of the world. There's a variety of conversation. It's very controversial. Many people don't
believe anything is going to be any different on the 21st than it was the day before, sort
of like New Year's every year, you know, you don't really feel a shift or anything like
that. But Howard has a very precise feeling about this, and he's also, you know, pretty
much a prepper, you know, having been served in the military many years ago as well. He
was a bodyguard for I believe 18 or 19 years in Hollywood for some of the big, big stars.
He learned a lot about surveillance and how to protect somebody. That's what he did, and
they all loved him dearly. I don't believe Howard was ever fired from a job. We'll ask
him when he gets on the air. But my point being that he and his family are going to
be leaving on the road, I believe any day now. They are prepped to leave on the road.
They're taking animals, they're taking their family, and they're going to a safer place
for the 21st. And of course, Howard has mentioned on the show before that, you know, if nothing
happens, nothing shakes, nothing rolls, you know, then so be it. But nevertheless, his
prepper attitude is for disasters anyway, that we can all use this. My husband and I
personally, you know, for many years, you know, we have the, you know, wind-up radio,
solar radio, wind-up flashlights, you know, it's just something good to have. Several
other things that you can have if you want to go further. There's food that, you know,
25-year shelf life, things like that. It's always good to be prepared, you know, especially
with the catastrophic weather that's been occurring all around the world. It seems to
be speeding up. Many places of the world are getting hit two or three times in a year when
they didn't get hit one time in a decade. So, you know, with whatever it is, a hurricane,
a tsunami, an earthquake, what have you. So it's always good to be prepared. And, you
know, Howard has a really great attitude about it. At the same time, it's very chilling to
speak with Howard because how he brings into the picture a lot more than you and I would
normally see in front of us. So without any further ado, we do have Howard Stein on. And
by the way, with the second half of the show, it's going to also come right into this topic
as well. I'm very privileged, very honored to have Pastor Steven Anderson on the show.
We're going to talk about a documentary film produced by Paul Wittenberger called After
the Tribulation. So he'll be on in about a half an hour or so. And Paul Wittenberger
will also be joining us. So stick around. This is going to be, you know, quite the show.
OK. And without any further ado, I'd like to welcome my friend, Mr. Howard Stein. Howard,
how are you?
Not bad, Roxy. How are you doing?
I'm doing pretty good. I'm real curious to hear where you're at right now on the 11th.
I know that you're going to be heading out of town and you have some things to talk about,
so go for it.
OK. You know, I read a couple of comments. I have to address one that just put me in
stitches. I am not a Zionist plot leader to overthrow and lead everyone. That was actually
a statement that I picked up on YouTube that I saw written there and it gave me a good
laugh. Anyway, I'll tell you where I'm at. I have my vehicle loaded. I have a CB. I'm
going to be on Channel 22 every afternoon at one p.m. I'm going to fire the puppy up.
I'll be pulling out of what I call is the ring of fire. That's where I live and that's
why I'm leaving. It's not a great place to be. And all I could say is, another point
I want to make to people out there is hopefully nothing will happen. I am the biggest cheerleader
to hope for that because my kids are in Los Angeles. My grandkids are in L.A. and I will
lose family members and I am a huge cheerleader. I'm nothing happening. And if you wonder if
I will be disappointed, absolutely not. I will be opening and picking up a bottle of
champagne and celebrating. Anyway, I did pack up and I loaded up the vehicle and a lot of
people think survival means the things that you could bring with you. Obviously, you cannot
bring the entire department store or supermarket with you. It's a short-term deal. May it be
six months' worth of things, nine months' worth of things. But the true survival is
doing your environment and being in tune with it. And I basically am going to Nevada. And
from Nevada, Carson City, if things do happen, I will be heading towards the Colorado River
where there is water, where there's fish, where there's small game. And I also did a
research of all the indigenous native tribes that happen to exist in that area for thousands
of years and do quite well. And I was studying all their methods of hunting and trapping
and so on. That is survival. Being one with the nature around you. That's where survival
really kicks in. And I just want to tell people, the worst case scenario is you have a, if
you take this serious, you have a disaster kit, which I procrastinated on for many years.
And I've been through the Northridge earthquake. I've been through the Selmar earthquake. And
I have seen devastation and the ground kicking out from under me firsthand. And all I can
say is I procrastinated like so many people did. And this incident motivated me. I finally
got it together. So the worst case scenario, if nothing happens, I come back here and I
have one hell of an earthquake kit, which I should have put together 10 years ago. And
I think everyone out there should have some emergency kit of some kind because I don't
care where you live. You could be Midwest. You have the Madrid fault that could erupt.
You could be down South. You could be hit with storms once again, East Coast storms
once again, tornadoes. We all have our problems that hit and we're just too relaxed about
it. And we just think the government is going to come and ride in and rescue us. And rescuing
begins with yourself and motivating yourself and family and friends. That's where the process
really begins. And a perfect example, Staten Island. They received a one week warning that
they were going to be hit. Then it was three day warning to evacuate. You are definitely
being hit. It's definitely coming in. The day after the storm left, I saw people on
the news in the street. One woman really stands in my mind crying, saying, I don't have gas
for my generator. I have no food and I have no water. She had seven days to get that together.
And with a mandatory evacuation and a three day notice, she procrastinated further. And
then she has nothing. And where's the government? Well, picture a bigger scale incident. The
government's not going to be there. It's really up to you. And anyway, you want to go. That's
about all I had to say on that subject. Where do you want to go from here?
Well, you know, the focus, I guess, would be like at this time, Howard, because you
are leaving where you live to another state because of the 21st. I guess I'd want to ask
you why the 21st? In other words, are you subscribing to something that may happen because
of the Mayan predictions or indigenous tribes, et cetera? You know what I mean? Or what's
the deal with that? Why now?
Okay. The deal with that is I've never been one to jump on scenarios in the past. There's
always been doom and gloom crap and I've always kicked back in a chair and just rolled my
eyes at it. But for the very first time, I really read into this because it really did
interest me. And I find prophecy meeting science meeting religion and all three seem to be
in agreement here. And that sparked attention. And the more I started reading up on this,
the creepier it got. For instance, a lot of people made comments. The Mayans didn't put
in a leap year so the date has got to be off. And that sounds really cool, but if you look
up about the Mayans, they didn't base their calendar and time mechanism system on the
one we use today. They were far more advanced than we are. They did not need to add that
leap year. Matter of fact, they line right up with the atomic clock and they're only
off, one, they're only off by the atomic clock, I believe three one hundredths or five
one hundredths of a second. And that is it on the timekeeping method. And they're not
based on a calendar system. So when they say the 21st, they mean the 21st. And then I noticed
other comments in the past about if they're so gifted in predicting, why didn't they predict
the Spanish invasion and the demise? And I want to address that one real fast. The Spanish
invasion, meaning Cortez, that landed in South America in 1519, the Mayans predicted he would
land on that exact date, except the Mayans wrote it down 200 years before it occurred. So they
predicted not only the invasion, they predicted that date and even that day, 200 years before. So
they're definitely gifted people there. And science is now picking up that we're having, we
escalated, I believe, in seismic activity 500%. Everyone sees the weather change. I don't care
where you live. It's different from what you're accustomed to. And there's the storms, the
frequency of them and the size of them. Something's brewing. And once again, I got to say
prophecy, science and religion are all meeting on one subject. And they got my attention. So it
warrants enough to take action. And that's exactly what I'm doing on this one thing. I am taking
action.
And like you said, if nothing happens on that date, you know, nothing catastrophic, you know, an
earthquake or a tornado or whatever, you know, you're relieved and you go back home. But you've
also discussed before that, but this sort of prepper attitude, if you will, isn't going to
change for you, correct?
No, because just because this is over, I live in the ring of fire. I could be hit with a catastrophic
earthquake five minutes from now. As far as the 21st go, I don't know what's going to happen on the
21st. I'm not pretty to these top secret information whatsoever. It's just a lot of research
and a lot of reading I've done that tells me that this could be something to this take
precautions. And if I take precautions, something happens. Well, I am in a good situation for
people that took no precautions, roll their eyes up and said, nothing's going to happen. I would
really hate to be you if something does occur.
Correct. We have a question from one of the listeners and they're asking which area of the
Colorado River above Lake Mead or below the Hoover Dam?
Below and the odds are by the time I get there, there would be no dam. If this goes down and I'm
doing that truck, I can guarantee the Hoover Dam doesn't exist.
Gotcha. So there's no dam, but there's still water.
Oh, yeah, it's a natural river and it would resume its course of a natural.
Gotcha. Gotcha. Thank you. And by the way, any more listeners, if you've got any questions, feel
free to put them in the chat. The producer will get those questions to us. So Howard's only going
to be on the show for about another 10 minutes. So get your questions in. Howard, how are you
feeling about, you know, as far as intuitiveness goes, I'm just curious. I don't think I've ever
asked you that. Are you feeling, you did say it, that something is up, but as far as, right?
Yeah, I did. Something's up, something, you know, I don't know what it is. Something is up in the
air. I think most people out there feel it.
Well, what and not, you're basically, would you say that if the 21st, if nothing happens and this
became a really good trial run for you and your family, like a good exercise?
If the 21st occurs and nothing happens, I return, thank God, back to the house and I still have a
family that's alive in LA, which I will be quite thrilled about. At that point, I have a good
earthquake kit for anything in the future that occurs. I live in an area called the Ring of Fire.
It is prone to get a mega quake and a half and could happen anytime. And I have three volcanoes
that are quite alive, one to the north, two to the south. People remember Mount St. Helen. Well,
that's my home state.
True, true. There's some new evidence to support that. You know, scientists are even saying now
that there isn't even anything such as an extinct volcano. You know, they used to say after 300 or
400 years that the volcano was extinct and now they're starting to realize that they're not.
There's no such thing as an extinct volcano. And, you know, in mentioning that the Ring of Fire, not
only are we having the earthquakes and the magma and the plates shifting, but we're also having
volcanoes going off all over the world, you know, so and it does seem to be culminating. That's the
difference. It's not like one event every 10 years or one event every five years. It seems to be
culminating and happening quicker. Would you agree with that?
Without a doubt, I believe it's 172. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Let's see. I think it's 172 as far
as volcanoes activating in the past year.
That's extreme. Yeah, that is extreme.
And you and I were just discussing even earlier today about the, you know, the Philippines. I
mean, it's just it's tremendous. And it does seem like one after the other. And you're talking
catastrophic stuff. You know, it's like this Hurricane Sandy. I mean, that wasn't just, you
know, a minor hurricane or a big hurricane that hit. It spread through 14 states. I mean, the
satellite photos of it were enormous. Just absolutely the devastation. I mean, they're going
to be counting numbers, you know, for four years to come. This is becoming the norm. Catastrophic
events every single week. They're not even reporting. We were talking about that earlier.
They are not even reporting it anymore on mainstream news. Then you and I discussed that
earlier. And that's very interesting. You know, people who are listening to the show right now try
just looking on Google, searching on Google for your mainstream news regarding some of the stuff
in the Philippines that's happening lately. I mean, Philippines was hit by a seven point nine
earthquake only in August of 2012 and now just got wiped out by a typhoon. You know what I mean?
Indonesia the other day, seven two. Yeah. And but I guess my point was going to be exactly
exactly. My point was going to be, you know, for the listeners, try it out, start searching,
do a Google search and see what comes up. You're going to be amazed. And then if you have any of
you who watch mainstream news, Howard's correct. They're not even mentioning this stuff on the
news. And remember the days? I mean, I was there, too, Howard, as you were in the Northridge
earthquake. I mean, it was on the news forever. All over. It was now. It was world news. The whole
world was watching. So all of a sudden or I shouldn't say all of a sudden, but in the last
few years, I've noticed the same. I've noticed that we're not the news isn't reporting these big
events as as they should and as they used to. And these are seven point nine. Come on. A seven
point nine earthquake? I know it's not being reported. I just scan and I get the information
all the time and I have to look for it now. It doesn't come over the news anymore.
What do you think that is? You know, I don't know. And another creep factor about this
entire scenario going on is the underground excavation that has been going on from coast
to coast with our little government. I mean, we're not talking millions and we're not talking
billions. We're talking trillions. The underground networks that are going on right now in Missouri,
Arkansas, Texas, your home state, Arizona. Well, it's not your home state, but Arizona.
It's going on all over. And so what do they know that they're not telling us and why are
they spending such elaborate amounts of money tunneling? That that's a creep factor, too,
that comes to my mind. I don't know what's tied into this, but it's just just another thing on
the list when you go prophecy, science, religion and government lately, their activities.
Correct. And what's interesting, it is a cover up. You know, I covered that right here in Arizona
and from the first blast that we heard a 40 mile radius. And the police department,
who is within two miles of my home, claimed the first time that they didn't know what I was
talking about, nor all the other hundreds of people that were calling. And it's been a cover
up ever since. And it's happening all over the United States. And people are describing it the
same way I do. It's a very loud shaking boom, but it comes from under the ground. You just know you
feel ground shake. You know, it's coming from under the ground. And it's not because it's a
rumor or anything. But listen, I only have five minutes left with you. And so what I wanted to
ask you is, can you give us from the, you know, your list of things that you use for prepping
that you've put together? Can you give us a few of the items that you've done that you find it very?
Sure. A basic survival is the number three. Always remember the number three. It's a real easy one.
And that stands for three days, no water. You're dead. Three weeks without food. You're dead.
Um, my diet, basically what I've stored is really easy. It's rice and beans, two thirds of the world
population survive off of that. Anything else you come across? Wonderful. Rice and beans,
easy to store, easy to package and easy to transport. And so that is basically it. And
as far as water goes, you should get a nice amount of bleach because a lot of
bleach could actually purify and make the water safe to drink. You could Google
on how much bleach to use, make sure you don't get it scented. And, um, basically the elements
you need is shelter. Tent takes care of that. You need fire and you need a food and water.
And what about any communication devices? Do you have anything?
Yeah, I am on a CB radio. We'll be on a 22 channel 22 when I'm driving,
sometimes channel 19. It depends on reception and I will have that puppy on when I pull out of
Washington, uh, the 18th and I will have it on in Nevada. And if things are all wonderful and I
could return home, which I will be thrilled about, uh, I'll have it on and if things go south
and I'm heading towards the Colorado, I will have that puppy on. There's going to be a lot
of good people out there in the same predicament, in the same boat. Do you know anybody else that's
heading out the, uh, your, your way where you're heading to? Uh, no, but there is a, from what I
understand, a prepper login site that basically guides you to decent people and locations.
I'm a loner on this one. Yeah, no doubt. And I think a lot of people would be, don't you,
don't you think? Um, yeah, yeah, because, uh, there's a lot of people doing it.
I know a lot of people that are doing this as well. And, um, yes, go ahead.
Oh, one thing I want to address that really makes me sick, people that profit off of this in any way,
shape or form on people's fears and you know, on what's going on, that they're turning it into
a business and they're stuffing their pockets with cash. That is repulsive to me.
By overpriced goods and overpriced foods and overpriced everything.
Exactly. And now if you feel you need something, go on, go on the internet, go to Amazon,
you could order it. It's a little late in the game now, but rice and beans, for instance,
could get it in bulk at so many different places. At the Mormon church, contact your local Mormon
church because they have a, uh, the Bishop house and they have all this stuff already
canned for you with 25 year shelf life. So I've got another question for you from
the audience. Uh, so you feel fuel and or generators may be lower on the list?
No, I have a generator, but you could live without electricity. You can,
the main thing on survival, the basic is it's late in the game right now. If you have your
generator and you have all your stuff, cool, you're set. If you're sitting back,
listening to this right now saying, I don't have crap. Um, uh, the best thing in the world that
you could do is do I have any fishing gear? Throw it in the vehicle. Do I, do I have rice and beans?
Let me go out and get a 200 pounds of some rice, 200 pounds of some beans that will hold me over.
Absolutely. Well, Howard, it's, it's always a pleasure. I've got to let you go. We've got like
20 seconds. Hi, welcome back to the truth denied. I'm Roxy Lopez. Now for the remainder of the show,
this is going to get really interesting for those of you who have already missed the first part of
the show, uh, with Howard Stein. Don't worry, we'll have it up in an archive or you can look
up anything on the truth denied.com. We have everything linked for our guests as usual.
My next guest or a pair of guests, I should say first is pastors, Steven L Anderson and
Pastor Anderson has a really interesting story that he's going to share with us.
Uh, he has been a pastor of Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona. So I guess I would like
to meet him someday in person. He's been in Tempe, Arizona for the past seven years. He and his wife
have been married for over 12 years and they have seven children. In April of 2009, he was beaten
and tasered by the US border patrol at an internal checkpoint 60 miles from the border for refusing
a warrantless search of his vehicle. He was later declared not guilty on all charges and a full
jury trial. Pastor Anderson is an expert in Bible prophecy and has over 140 chapters of the Bible
memorized including the entire book of Revelation. So this is going to be very interesting. We're
also going to be joined by Paul Wittenberger who produced yet another film after the tribulation
to which Pastor Anderson is a big voice, a big part of the documentary film. So first I would
like to welcome onto the show Pastor Anderson. Welcome and thank you for being here. Thanks
for having me on. Excellent and of course I believe we do have Paul Wittenberger on the line
as well. Paul, welcome to the show. You can pop on if you need to. Yes, thank you, Roxy, for having us
on. This is going to be an exciting show. I can't wait to hear it myself. Thank you, right on. So,
if I may, I wanted to get a little bit more insight, Pastor. I'm alarmed at what happened
to you in regards to the beating at the US border patrol. Can you give us a little bit more insight
on that and what your feelings of the matter and what this has to do with perhaps even
after the tribulation, the film? Sure, it actually does tie in with the film, but I travel a lot for
business. In addition to being a pastor, I also run a fire alarm business that operates in California
and Arizona and so I travel back and forth every week and I've driven through these checkpoints
hundreds of times and what they are are border patrol checkpoints but they're not on any border.
They're nowhere near the border. They're on roads that don't even cross the border
and you pull up to these checkpoints and a lot of times they just wave you through
but a lot of times they want to ask you if you're a US citizen. They ask you where you're coming from,
where you're going or they might ask you to open the trunk, open the hood so that they can search
you. Well, I drove through these things many, many times, didn't really think much of it, but then I
started to wake up around 2008 and realize, wait a minute, this isn't right. I shouldn't have to
answer these questions and be searched. I'm an American. I'm just going about my business.
So in 2009, on that fateful night, I pull up on April 14th and I wouldn't answer any questions.
I wouldn't let them search my trunk. So there was a standoff that ensued for about the next 75
minutes where I just sat in my car with the doors locked, refusing to let them come in and search.
Well, finally after 75 minutes, they brought out the police, told me I was under arrest and so
forth and they ended up shattering my windows of my car and they really lied to me because they
made it seem as if they were just going to break my passenger window in order to enter my car.
But there was another guy that was hiding at the back of my driver's side of the vehicle and as
soon as he was about to break the window, they told me to close my eyes. So I closed my eyes,
put my hands over my face and next thing I knew, the window right next to my head was shattering.
Just out of nowhere, inches from my head, that window was bashed in with a baton
and I was shot by a taser and so the electricity shot through my body and when you get hit with
these tasers, you're totally paralyzed. You can't move. I couldn't even scream. I was trying to
scream. Well, the next thing I know, a hand reaches in from the driver's side, grabs my
head, shoves it down into the little mountain range of broken glass that was left after they
busted out the window and a guy just ground my head into that broken glass. I could just feel
the warm blood coming down my face. That went on for almost 22 seconds. The taser, well let me say
this, the taser was activated for 22 seconds straight which is a really long time when you're
being tasered and then they rolled me out onto the ground, stepped on my head, finally handcuffed
me and brought me to the border patrol trailer and then they drove me to the emergency room,
put 11 stitches in my head and then I spent the night in jail. Then the next day they released me
after having charged me with failure to obey and also blocking the highway because I was stopped
at a checkpoint that they forced me to stop at. And you obviously knew you're right so they
weren't allowed to do an illegal search and seizure of your vehicle but that's very interesting that
they let you go the next day. Right, well they let me go the next day because after they searched my
vehicle there was nothing illegal found. So to follow there was, right, now there was a trial,
correct? Right, there was a trial because of course when they searched my vehicle they didn't find
anything illegal because the way the police's mentality is that if you won't let them search
you, you must have something to hide. When in reality the reason I wasn't letting them search me
was because I value my fourth amendment rights as an American and that was the reason that I did not
let them search me was just because I was standing on principle. So when they searched my vehicle I
guess they expected to find something illegal, of course they did not find anything illegal.
So you know fast forward a little over a year later we finally went to trial there was a jury
impaneled and I was found not guilty on all charges and one of the jurors even walked up to
me after the trial shook my hand and said thank you for standing up for our rights as Americans.
So that was great but I'm suing them obviously for feeding the living daylights out of me and
tasering me for 22 seconds you know putting me in jail for no reason but obviously that takes
years and years and years so I'm not sure when that's going to happen. But that's unfortunate
but it also gave light to something I mean it made you aware of something didn't it?
Absolutely and I think it really woke up a lot of people that maybe they hear about these things
but it's always somebody else and they don't really think much of it but when they heard
about it happening to me I think it really woke them up that wow you know here's an innocent guy
just driving home from work and he just doesn't want to be totally invaded and have his privacy
totally invaded by them searching his vehicle and I mean they beat him to the you know within
an inch of my life there I mean they beat I didn't even know what was going to happen I mean you got
to put yourself in the situation you know sure I made a full recovery but at the time you don't
really know how it's going to turn out when you got this this gang of thugs beating you up in
electrifying you you don't really know how it's going to turn out.
Yeah it's definitely an emotional journey at that point and it's a very abusive one at that
and you're absolutely right because if they're going to stop you and do this to you
you know beat you and try to search you know your your car illegally without a warrant etc
then then they can set you up and put you behind bars in Guantanamo with this new NDAA executive
order that says we can you know our military can arrest anybody any United States citizen for the
first time in the history of the United States of America that a military you know employee or
whatever can arrest a US citizen without detain indefinitely with no warrant and ship you off to
Guantanamo so yeah I can see that your head was probably spinning and you were probably afraid
that if they did this at this checkpoint what are they going to do with me next.
Exactly exactly right now here's where this fits in to the new documentary that Paul Whittenberger
has produced these checkpoints I believe are just one small piece of the puzzle of an infrastructure
that's being put in place to enforce global government to enforce a one world system one
world religion that the bible has told us is coming and there's a false doctrine out there
that's called the pre-trib rapture and pretty much 90 some percent of evangelical Christians today
they believe in this doctrine called the pre-trib rapture and because they believe in the pre-trib
rapture they don't mind these checkpoints they're not afraid of any of these things because they
think they're going to be gone so let me just explain it to you in a nutshell what this teaching
of the pre-trib rapture is basically trib stands for tribulation the bible tells us that there's a
time coming in the future known as the tribulation and this time of the tribulation is a time that's
characterized by world warfare famines disease natural disasters and out of all this chaos
basically comes one man that becomes the head of a one world government and that man is known as the
antichrist well when the antichrist is fully in power he demands everyone on the earth to worship
him and in order to buy or sell the bible says that you'll have to receive this mark of his
number or his name in your right hand or in your forehead commonly known as the mark of the beast
and the bible says that no man might buy or sell save he that had the mark or the name of the beast
or the number of his name and of course that's where we get the 666 from there in revelation 13
well christians the bible tells us those who are true believers in the lord jesus christ
will not be deceived by this guy they're not going to receive this mark in their right hand they're
not going to worship him they're not going to receive the mark in their forehead and so therefore
he's going to command for them to be killed and they're going to be beheaded and killed in mass
numbers now those who believe in this pre-tribulation rapture believe that before
any of this happens before any of the events of the tribulation take place that jesus christ will
come in the clouds a trumpet will sound and that they will be caught up in the clouds and basically
removed from this earth before any of these events take place so when you try to warn them about
global government you try to warn them about hey we're going to a cashless society
and this is part of the implementation of the system where you're going to need this mark in
your right hand or in your forehead in order to buy or sell and you try to warn them about the
fact that you know these checkpoints today they're checking your quote-unquote immigration status
these checkpoints can be used tomorrow to enforce this type of system of you know you must have the
mark of the beast in your right hand or in your forehead and i believe that that's what these
checkpoints will eventually be checking for because there is a a produce inspection an
agricultural inspection that's on the border of california and arizona and i've driven through
it hundreds of times many other people probably have and it's an inspection point where they ask
you if you have any fruits or vegetables well i pulled up to that checkpoint before
and seen where all of the agricultural people were not there at all and instead it was all border
patrol and they were checking citizenship so obviously if you already have the checkpoint
and the infrastructure in place it's not hard to quickly change it from an agriculture inspection
to a border patrol inspection and then they can change it from a border patrol inspection to a
vaccine inspection and then they could change it from a vaccine inspection to a mark of the beast
inspection what i'm saying is that the infrastructure is there for them to use
checkpoints uh to to check for anything and so if if we believe the bible is the word of god which i
do we know there's a one world government coming we know that one man will be at the head of that
government he will claim to be the second coming of jesus christ he will claim to be the messiah
of judaism he'll claim to be the messiah of islam the imam madhi he will bring all religions and all
nations together under a one world government one world religion and all this infrastructure
is going to be used by him and by this global government system to enslave the population of
the entire world how soon do you think that's going to happen well it's hard to say when it's
going to happen i don't know exactly when it's going to happen but when i see the trends today
of us going to a cashless society at a at a break next feed and i see the trends of the
world government developing you know you see nations more and more looking to the united
nations as a global government body and i believe that the united nations is an embryonic world
government that is going to continue to gain more and more power just like with the invasion of
libya basically obama said that he sent troops into libya because he was you know following
the mandate of the united nations he didn't need congress so we see more and more that the united
states is letting the united nations or nato make decisions for it and so i think we see the
technology definitely there for this mark of the beast to be implemented and what's interesting is
that the bible says that the mark of the beast will be in your right hand or in your forehead
now a lot of modern bible versions have come out in the last few decades that that really
twist and pervert the scriptures and one of the things that they've done is that they've all
changed it to say on your right hand or on your forehead but the king james bible you know the
bible that the majority of english speakers have used for the last 400 years very clearly says that
the mark will be in your right hand or in your forehead so this could very likely be some kind
of an implantable chip and the bible is clear that in order to get the mark you must worship
the antichrist you must worship this man this messiah figure that's going to come and bring
all religions together and if you will not worship him the commandment is that you'll be killed
if you do worship him then you receive this mark in your right hand or in your forehead so i could
easily see someone you know having to go to the grocery store for example and you're going to buy
your groceries instead of pulling out cash instead of pulling out a credit card you're
basically just going to scan your hand or scan your forehead and that will be how you pay it'll
all just be electronic and since we're already on a paper currency which has no intrinsic value i
mean it's a piece of paper they could easily say tomorrow if they wanted to those pieces of paper
no longer have any value and as soon as the government said that they had no value they
wouldn't have any value just like the confederate currency you know as soon as the civil war was
over and the south had lost their confederate currency no longer had any value because it's
just a piece of paper well it today they could do the same exact thing where they say your paper
money is no good anymore we're going completely over to a cashless system and you know there's
too much fraud with credit cards there's too much identity theft this needs to be biometric
this needs to be something that's installed in your body it's a it's a microchip it's an rfid
chip whatever whatever uh technology will be used and this is your identity you're going to just scan
to show who you are instead of having to pull out a driver's license use a credit card write a check
it's all electronic and uh and they'll they'll also they'll be able to market this a lot of
different ways you know oh you know crime will will have a hard time existing because you know
black market and cash transactions you know we can use this in the war on drugs you know there
are going to be a lot of justifications that they use to implement this system but sure yeah and it
makes absolute sense when you reference control it's a great way to control uh all humans on the
planet uh with the technology that's already here you know it's already available it's just a matter
of implementing it so that's not hard to believe that's not hard to understand and it makes sense
when you're quoting you know you will not be able to buy sell or trade without the mark of the beast
i mean i've always thought that from when i was a kid i always thought that was a key line there
and it bothered me and you know when you're a kid you don't even know what this means you don't even
know the implications so you know um you definitely i definitely subscribe to what you're saying
personally um before we go any further i want to bring paul uh on on to the show as well um
and paul how did you meet the pastor and how did you get the idea to do the after the tribulation
uh film well i actually met the pastor years ago when we were making what in the world is a spring
uh mike mike murphy and uh i went to uh go see him in arizona and that was the first time we
went to his church and and i met him i i heard about him online through you know he has hundreds
of videos online you can just google his name pastor steven anderson tons of stuff will come up
and uh so that i mean just give you a little background i mean who i am and and you know the
importance of the topic that we're going to be discussing today is like i grew up in a christian
home my parents are actually missionaries and so i grew up half of my life in liberia west africa
and so i've been surrounded by biblical topics my whole life and so
but i was always taught this pre-tribulation rapture which which is always kind of weird
to me that we're just going to be going along and then we just disappear i mean it seems kind
of crazy so and and every time someone tried to show me like explain to me how the the end
of the world came about it never made sense to me and so and so when i was googling uh
pastor anderson i started listing his end times prophecy stuff and i it just hit home with me
because what he was doing is he wasn't giving me his opinion you know it was what he does is he
just showed you in the bible exactly what it says and the timeline of events and how it happens
it's amazing and once once i understood like basics of how it happened i mean the bible just
opened up to you and it just becomes so clear about you know all these events that are going
to happen and so that's how basically i got got into him and that's how i found out about him
and so and now we're here today and we're making this great film that i'm so proud of that i
actually just picked up the final dvd and blu-ray today called after the tribulation so i encourage
everyone to go to after the tribulation.com and or kjvprophecy.com and check out all the information
on it by the dvd it uh it ships out on the 19th of this month so and uh and i i would be so excited
you're really you've been really busy uh um uh paul with your films um and i didn't even hear
about this one and and until i think the pastor approached me and i was like i didn't even hear
about this one why didn't paul tell me about this but regardless um we do we got four films
we're doing right now are you yeah i'm i'm non-stop i so i'm it's really exciting stuff
i mean we're going to have another one out by march that's going to be the great calling our
food and or i mean our air we're going to do the air one next and then we'll and then by july we're
going to have the great calling our food out and then we have also me and pastor are going to do
another film together that is going to come out maybe late january we we're still trying to figure
out actually probably late february so i mean we're we're busy over here yes you are and and
and the public appreciates it i'll tell you that much and we'll we did put all of your links uh
for both of you and the pastor into the chat and then of course you know uh what we do with the
truth denied we're going to put it together a nice video of this show for you and all of your links
and you know advertise the films and so forth so it this just becomes an ongoing network for
all of us and so i appreciate that so back to after the tribulation um uh i also i guess i want
to ask the the pastor um there's a deeper darker sinister side to this what you term as the uh
what would it be preach pre-trib rapture fraud is that correct right the pre-tribulation rapture
fraud it is very sinister it is definitely something that the devil has concocted
in order to deceive christians so that they will be caught completely unaware
when these things come to pass now first of all let me say this the pre-tribulation rapture
is a is a new doctrine in the sense that there is no record of it ever being taught before the year
1830 so if we go back through all the historical record and keep in mind 1830 is pretty late in
history i mean you've got hundreds and thousands and thousands of sermons books commentaries
documents that exist from the 1500 1600 1700s and and on and on you have all kinds of material and
there is not one shred of paper before 1830 that records anyone teaching this because of the fact
that it is simply not in the bible now let me make clear one thing i do believe in the rapture
i'm not saying that the rapture is a fraud i believe that the rapture is taught in scripture
and it's taught in first thessalonians chapter four very clearly but the fraud is teaching that
the rapture comes before the tribulation when the bible very clearly states that the rapture comes
after the tribulation which is where we take the the name of the film so if if you'd like i'd like
to just read some of the scriptures from the bible where people are getting this from and
and then show you basically where they're going wrong and and where this doctrine is coming from
well it sounds like the timeline that you're talking about is different than the timeline
that's being taught in many arenas so obviously you know one comes before the other and i'm sure
there's an armageddon in there somewhere as well i mean these are really big words um uh that um
you know scared the heck out of people if you will and it sounds like they're and i'm very
interested and i sure i sure know our listeners are i'm very interested to see where it went south
and um where this came came into play and if it's just some made-up document that's been put
together by the new world order to be stuck in the middle of everything that people believe to
throw everybody off guard so that they're not prepared exactly because let me give you a perfect
example i've got a pastor friend in arizona and you know he knew about what happened with me at
the border patrol checkpoint he knew about my political views and and this guy is basically just
a guy who just whatever the republican party is doing he's pretty much right there with him
like a neo-con republican so this guy was always at odds with me on political issues because i'm
more of a ron paul supporter i'm not one that that follows the the neo-con wing of the republican
party and so he found out that i was preaching against the pre-tribulation rapture and that
i was preaching that the rapture takes place after the tribulation and he said to me oh no
wonder you're so paranoid now i understand why you're so paranoid about the government
well you know let me turn that around on him now i can see why you don't give a rip what the
government does now i can see why you're totally asleep and totally not aware of anything that's
going on in our country because the pre-tribulation rapture has told you it doesn't matter because
before it gets bad we're all going to be gone anyway so we've got nothing to worry about so
the vast majority of evangelical christians they're not they're not focused on the tribulation
at all this topic is not being preached in churches and so therefore when they hear it
they say oh conspiracy theory you know when you try to tell them about all this stuff because
they're not being taught the scriptures on this so let me give you first of all let me just give
you the main rapture scripture before you get into that we're going to take a quick break we've got
about 15 seconds left so when we get back to the from the break let's go directly to that pastor
okay good okay and uh paul are you going to be staying with us and welcome back to the second
hour of the truth and i talk radio and if you're just joining us it's a fabulous uh
show so far and we're just getting really into the depths of a documentary film uh created by
paul wittenberger and of course you know the name from what in the world are they spraying and
uh the great culling just recently released and of course now after the tribulation uh that is uh
as paul had just mentioned is just ready for release as well and so we have both paul
wittenberger and pastor anderson who is also a big voice in this film uh on the show today
and any of the questions that you may have for us please go ahead and present them in the chat
room and our producer will be happy to get them to me so that i can ask them any of the questions
that you have um now uh did you need to to uh leave us soon paul because if you do then i have
a couple of questions for you and then we can let you go and then i would definitely want to get
back to what the pastor was just going to illustrate for us yeah i need to get going into the next like
five ten minutes here that's fine um anything that you want to uh say can you give us the
website again for if anybody wants to purchase the film um uh right now let's say sure yeah if
you want to go support us please do um go to afterthetribulation.com or um kjvprophecy.com
um and then you can find it uh by now and and it ships out on the 19th of this month and so
we're very excited about that and and very excited about you know i mean this film is gonna
make waves i mean this is not like it is in your face and people are just they're just
they no one teaches this and it's true it's straight out of the bible and that's why
i think having passed around your show tonight is just so amazing because i mean 140 chapters
of the bible he has memorized this guy knows what he's talking about and and it's and and what he's
about to show you is just straight from the bible what exactly it says that it's after the tribulation
the rapture has to happen after the tribulation Matthew 24 29 says immediately after the tribulation
of those days shall the sun be darkened the moon turns to blood you know and and so it's just
it's just it's funny to me that all these pretty trippers they they can't even explain you their
doctrine they can't sit you down and say this is the this is how it happens you know and and that's
why they they don't understand it because they don't read the bible because they just they just
repeat what people have told them and so i think i think this show and i'm just really glad that
you're having us on your show today so we can get some exposure on this topic i'm i'm glad to do it
and thank you for taking the time paul you know it's it's no big deal um again you know what
you're describing uh paul and and pastor anderson you're also describing what i call um there there
is a sense in the whole world uh in all of humanity of uh of an awakening of a spiritual
paradigm shift occurring the old isn't working anymore anymore um the awareness is coming from
the um let's say the revealing you know uh the more awareness that we spread the more that we
teach others of what is true and what we have been lied to the matrix of lies if you will
the more the old paradigm no longer fits it no longer works it's systemically broken so
i think that your work here is is just is is a a big part if you will a part a piece of the puzzle
it's it's easy to recognize that just a big piece of the puzzle of uh the the world that we have
lived in we've been trapped within lies and we've been taught uh to to we haven't been taught
empowerment even unfortunately in spiritual practices and religious practices certainly
not government practice there seems to be a sense of less self-empowerment that's been taught so
i think that this is just one more uh big piece of the puzzle of the work that you have both done
so paul we really appreciate it that you keep bringing these types of topics um as your past
films to the forefront and we're always privileged and honored uh to um get the word out for you so
that's not a problem so much roxy i i mean i really appreciate what you're doing and and
having us on and to talk about these issues it's just it's really important that that these kind
of topics get out to people because no one talks about them and everyone's scared to talk about
them because no one believes these things but if they're true you know yes i do understand hey
you're welcome and it's obvious those of you who are listening you know paul you're a very
passionate individual i knew that for the first time i ever spoke to you on the phone
uh a few months ago or whatever and um you know uh you you're just pure as far as i'm concerned
you're just a pure heart and it's real easy to see that with you so your work will be your work is
timeless it will live past you and no worries um and we'll go ahead and let you go and then we'll
continue the conversation with pastor anderson okay great thank you so much roxy have a good day
you're welcome and you have a great night paul thank you all right bye-bye so pastor anderson
and and and in in light of that working with uh paul don't you find him to be so genuine
absolutely definitely i've really enjoyed working with him i've gotten to know him a lot better
over the past few months working on this film and uh yeah you hit the nail on the head he's
a very genuine guy and he really is doing this for all the right reasons and it's really important to
him to get the truth out there yeah he's just fabulous um and so are you by the way you're
very straightforward you resonate with me you're just uh as paul had been describing you and i mean
this you you have a resonance to your voice it's very straightforward you don't have any weirdness
to you whatsoever you know so i appreciate i'm intrigued at what you're going to illustrate for
us next where we left off at the break last hour so go for it right so let's get into it here is
the main passage that anyone who believes in the rapture is going to turn to whether they be a
pre-tribulation rapture or a post-tribulation meaning after the tribulation rapture which is
what the bible teaches but here's what the bible says in first thessalonians 4 it says but i would
not have you to be ignorant brethren concerning them which are asleep that you sorrow not even
as others which have no hope for if we believe that jesus died and rose again even so them also
which sleep in jesus will god bring with him for this we say unto you by the word of the lord that
we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the lord shall not prevent them which are asleep
for the lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel and
with the trump of god and the dead in christ shall rise first then we which are alive and remain shall
be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the lord in the air and so shall we ever be
with the lord wherefore comfort one another with these words so what he's saying there is that
they have lost loved ones that that were saved but they had passed on they had died and he's
calling them the asleep in jesus you know those who've already gone to sleep meaning that they're
dead and what he's saying is i don't want you to mourn for them like those who have no hope because
you know when jesus christ comes back he's going to bring them with them and then he explains how
when jesus christ comes back he's going to come in the clouds a trumpet is going to sound and then
we're all going to be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the lord in the air and so
shall we ever be with the lord so this is the passage that most graphically or vividly describes
what's called the rapture okay now in that passage that i just read you'll notice there was
no talk about the tribulation there was no talk about the timing of the rapture in reference to
the tribulation he was more talking about the rapture from a perspective of hey this is going
to be a time when you you know when you're caught up to heaven and you're going to basically see all
your your loved ones again okay but if you read the next verse a lot of people just stop reading
there well if you read the next verse chapter 5 verse 1 it says but of the times and the seasons
brethren you have no need that i write unto you for yourselves know perfectly that the day of the
lord so cometh as a thief in the night so he says right there i don't have to tell you about the
timing of this because you already know that the day of the lord cometh as a thief in the night
and then he goes on to say other things and explain other things but the bottom line is
that the day of the lord is a concept that's found in the bible over and over again all
throughout the old testament all throughout the new testament he talks over and over again about
the day of the lord the day of the lord the day of the lord the day of the lord and it's always
associated with the sun and moon being darkened and i mean we could look at so many scriptures
we're not going to but we could look at all the old testament scriptures all the new testament
scriptures that talk about how the sun and moon will be darkened before the day the lord come
well now listen to this from matthew 24 this is jesus himself preaching in light of what we just
read it says in matthew 24 beginning of verse number 29 immediately after the tribulation
and that's where we take the title of the film and sometimes i just want to ask people
you know what part of after do you not understand immediately after the tribulation of those days
shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the stars shall fall from
heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken and then shall appear the sign of the
son of man and the son of man is something that jesus christ called himself while he was on this
earth it says then shall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven and then shall all the tribes
of the earth mourn and they shall see the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and
great glory and he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather
together his elect from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other so there right there
jesus christ explicitly said that after the tribulation the sun and moon will be darkened
then jesus will come in the clouds a trumpet will sound and he will gather together the elect and
if you look up every single time the word elect is used in the new testament the elect is always
referring to those that are saved believers christians so basically we have the exact
same elements in matthew 24 as we have in first thessalonians 4 here's the difference
modern evangelical christians have heard first thessalonians 4 preached hundreds and hundreds
of times most of them have never heard the verses that i just read to you from matthew 24
the only way they've ever heard them is if they read the bible on their own because i promised
you those three verses that i just read to you from matthew 24 are not being mentioned in any
of these churches that believe in a pre-tribulation rapture because those three verses demolish their
false doctrine and the way that i learned about this was literally as a 12 year old boy because
i grew up in churches where they taught me you know jesus can come at any moment the rapture is
going to come at any moment the trumpet's going to sound it might be today i grew up hearing that
well literally when i was a 12 year old boy i decided that i was going to read the new
testament cover to cover for myself and so of course i started out in the book of matthew the
first book of the new testament and i got to chapter 24 i remember it like yesterday sitting
in the living room of my house i got to matthew chapter 24 and i read those verses that i just
read for you and i looked at that and said you know this says right here that it's after the
tribulation that jesus comes in the clouds and the trumpet sounds and he gathers up the elect
and from that moment to this i've never believed in this pre-tribulation rapture because it just
it just does not line up with scripture and the bible couldn't be clearer here in matthew 24.
so this exact uh scripture that i read for you in matthew 24 is also found in mark 13
and it's also found in luke 21 because of course there are the four gospels matthew mark luke and
john and they all tell the story of the life of jesus from a different perspective so this this
statement about the rapture being after the tribulation shows up in matthew 24 mark 13 and
luke 21 well you say well what do you know what do people that believe in a preacher rapture what
do they do with these verses well the biggest thing they do with them is just ignore them you
know you don't hear them preached in churches they just it's like they don't exist but if you
do confront them with these verses the answer that you'll get is this they'll say well the elect is
not christians it's not believers they'll say you know that's talking to the jews and they they
believe that basically the jews are god's chosen people not christians not those who believe in
jesus but rather the jews and so i'll tell you right now this doctrine of a pre-tribulation
rapture is tied in very closely with the concept of zionism which i do not subscribe to you know
i am not a zionist but but most modern evangelical christians have bought into this zionism thing
just hook line and sinker and they believe that the jews are god's chosen people and they believe
that the united states has to support israel no matter what and that otherwise god's gonna curse
us and that somehow the jews have a special blessing upon them and honestly nothing could
be further from the truth first of all if you look up every time the term elect is used in
the new testament it is always referring to believers and in several cases it is specifically
referring to gentiles for example he writes to the thessalonians that they are the elect well
the thessalonians are from asia minor they're not he wasn't talking to jews there he's talking to
gentiles here's a scripture that just makes it crystal clear that the elect is not referring
to the jews he says in colossians chapter 3 verse 11 where there is neither greek nor jew
circumcision nor uncircumcision barbarian cithian bond nor free but christ is all and in all put on
therefore as the elect of god holy and beloved bowels of mercies kindness humbleness of mind
meekness long suffering so there he's writing to the colossians who are not jews but they are
gentiles he's writing to these colossians that if you're in christ there is neither jew nor gentile
it doesn't matter whether you're a jew or gentile he says you're the elect so i don't know how people
can walk away from this and say oh the elect that's the jews that's israel when over and over
again the bible makes it clear that in christ there is neither jew nor gentile that you know
the jews who don't believe on jesus christ are not god's chosen people because they've rejected
christ he has rejected them and if you look at the demographic of the so-called nation of israel
which which is a fraud but if you look at the demographic of the so-called nation of israel
99 percent of the of the so-called jews living in the nation of israel do not believe on jesus
christ and so according to the bible they are under god's wrath not under god's blessing and
so christians have have been taught this basically jew worshiping zionist ideology for the past
hundred and some odd years in tandem with the pre-tribulation rapture because it's the only way
that you can believe in the pre-tribulation rapture you have to you have to buy into this
thing that the elect is talking to the jews and that matthew 24 is talking to the jews it's not
talking to christians because it says as clear as day that he comes in the clouds and the trumpet
sounds after the tribulation there's just no way around it i mean it's so clear now as far as um
you know the this uh rapture and then of course the tribulation the whole timeline of it
um on a bigger scale uh regarding christians or non-christians or what have you uh you know
humanity if you will is this all tied into any sort of timeline with the mayan calendar at all
i do not i do not believe that it ties in with the mayan calendar i do not believe that
the mayans were able to predict something like this but i would say this when it comes to the
december 21st date i believe that it could be a self-fulfilling prophecy because of the fact that
the people who are running our world which you know the bible calls them the rulers of the
darkness of this world you know those global elites that are running the show
they are into the occult and they are into these type of things and so even though i don't believe
that the mayan calendar date has any significance it could have significance if basically someone
wants it to have significance or if someone who is controlling things believes in it so it could
be a self-fulfilling prophecy where basically somebody makes something happen on that day so
i'll i'll say this right now if anything happens on the 21st and i personally do not believe that
anything's going to happen on the 21st but if something does happen on the 21st i say it's
man-made you know that that's that's the first thing i'm going to look at right or a false flag
of sorts or like you said a self-fulfilling where you could you know you literally condition
the world to believe that something's going to happen and you can bring it into manifestation
there's a there's many many different things that could occur but what's relative to december 21st
also is there is definitely a shift there is definitely an alignment an astrological alignment
a physical alignment that is going on so there are some things that have been culminating and
and it's quite interesting it's quite interesting but as far as the tribulation or the rapture go
um you know as far as i can recall and i do mean historically i mean historical books uh that are
you know much older than you know me and and and my grandparents and my great-grandparents
um the the end of the world scenario those exact words end of the world scenarios have been
going on forever ever and ever and ever and ever um and there is no you read something
uh and i don't remember remember who is the author i don't know if it was matthew i don't
know who it was i was just listening to what you were talking about but i didn't i don't
remember the author um but you mentioned that the comes like a thief in the night
i think were the words yeah comes like a thief in the night that that would give me the impression
that it can be at any time it could be today it could be tomorrow could be a thousand years for
now it could be five thousand years for now and the thief in the night to me indicates that you
will not know you will not know that it's coming well here's here's the thing that i mean isn't
that what it means it's i'm glad you brought that up in the night that term is something that those
who believe in a pre-trib rapture will point to they'll say like you just said they'll say well
you know because he's coming as a thief in the night therefore that means we don't know when
it's going to be it could happen at any moment it's going to sneak up on us and i grew up being
told you know it's coming as a thief in the night it's and there was even a movie that came out in
the 70s called a thief in the night that depicted the pre-tribulation rapture but here's what's
funny about that i read you that verse about the thief in the night right but if you go down
literally just a few verses down because that was first thessalonians 5 2 that i read for you
if you go down a couple verses in verse 4 it says but ye brethren are not in darkness that that day
should overtake you as a thief so basically he goes on to explain that it's not going to be as
a thief in the night to those that are saved he says if you're unsaved it's going to come
at an hour that you think not it's going to come upon you unawares it's going to be like a thief
in the night but it says but you brethren are not in darkness that that day should overtake you as
a thief ye are all the children of light and the children of the day we are not of the night nor
of darkness and then listen to what he says next therefore let us not sleep as do others
but let us watch and be sober well what's interesting about that that he tells us you
know that if we're watching and we should be watching because we know what the bible says
that if we're watching it will not overtake us as a thief what's interesting about that
is that in the chapter where he talks about the rapture happening after the tribulation
which is mark 13 he says at the very end of the chapter he just finished telling us after the
tribulation sun and moon will be darkened jesus comes in the clouds he gathers the elect
at the very end of the chapter these are the last words and what i say unto you i say unto all
watch so at the very end of that chapter he says i'm not just talking to you i'm talking to all
when i say watch and again those who believe in a preacher of rapture they tell you oh mark 13
is only talking to the jews matthew 24 is only talking right and then at the very end he says
i'm not saying this just you i'm saying this to all watch and notice he's telling us to watch
watch for what i mean if it could happen at any moment if there's going to be no signs of it
beforehand then what in the world are we watching for but the bible tells us here that it's going
to be as a thief in the night to the to the unbelievers but to those of us that are believers
we're going to be watching and he says when you see these things begin to come to pass
then look up and look step heads for your redemption draweth nigh correct and that's
exactly where i want to go what are these things that come to pass what are the things and i know
you talked about the dark moon and the dark sun and everything i mean is that it i mean is that
where it's all at that those are the signs or is there more to this because you're using it's
interesting that this language is you know so old you know the king james version um translation
it's so old yet these are the very words that activists today use please wake up
or the sheeple you know because they're asleep or you know uh or the people are asleep it's so
fascinating to me when i'm listening to this that we use the same language and what we're referring
when we say to people you know wake up it's like they have something that's come over them that
you know we're both looking let's say at a chem trail in the sky and one person doesn't doesn't
even recognize what it is and the other person's trying to explain to them look they're they're
this is artificial weather this is an artificial cloud and how can two people be looking at the
same exact thing and one person thinking uh i don't know what that is and i don't care and
the other person knows everything that it is you understand what i'm saying i know you know exactly
what i'm saying it sounds like it sounds like that the language is the same those who are in
the know and those who are just lost exactly right and you know what that's that's what i
love about the bible no matter what year you read it in it's always timeless time it's always timely
it's as timely as today's newspaper and so that's what i love about it and you're right the
difference between the one who looks up at the chem trail and just ignores it or is concerned by
it is the difference between the one that's asleep and awake well spiritually the same concept is
there those that are awake spiritually in regard to the subject of the tribulation you know they
know what the bible has said they've read the bible and when they see these things start to
happen they're not going to be surprised they're going to say wait a minute this is the bible's
prophecies unfolding before us hey and welcome back to the truth tonight and we are speaking
with pastor anderson about after the tribulation uh quite quite an interesting conversation we're
having you know in all uh that you're talking about pastor one thing that i i must say that um
it can all be very confusing especially if you're not a biblical scholar or you're being you know
let's say all the different churches and they're all teaching different things or different pastors
or different leaders of churches are teaching one thing or another um how do you i guess what i have
a problem with is how do you unify the world if everybody's going to be separating themselves via
this type of information how do you unify the world and isn't it important to do so
well it you know my goal is not to unify the world i i do not believe that i that we're able
to unify the world under anything except evil and if you look at what jesus christ said while he was
on this earth he said think not that i'm come to send peace on earth he said i came not to
send peace but division and so the word of the bible and the word of god has always divided
people and it always will divide people so it's not really a unifying force you know i'm just
being honest with you and telling you what the bible says i understand and that doesn't sound
good you know that its purpose is to divide well but that is what but whether or not it sounds good
that's what jesus said he said think not that i'm come to send peace on earth i came not to bring
peace but division and so that's not most people's image of jesus but that's that's a
direct quote from him in luke 12 and so jesus christ and his word always bring division the
bible says broad is the way that leadeth to destruction and many there be which go in there
at because straight is the gate and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life and few there be that
find it so in my opinion the majority is always wrong and the majority will always be wrong
now there is a unifying that's taking place at this time but it's a unifying around evil you
know you see the unification of all nations into a united nations into a global government you see
unifying of religion taking place where you know most christian denominations now are starting to
put aside their differences and all kind of join together and rally together but let's be clear on
that that is not the citizens of this planet that is not humanity humanity is not all for that
humanity is against one world government it is only the government it is only those in power it
is only that some of the churches it is only those who are putting this all and nato and the
militaries of the world but the people of this world the humans of this world no i i disagree
with you we are we are not part of that we are against that for the most part we do not like this
well you know that's a valid viewpoint because i mean i i do believe that satan and his minions
are orchestrating this from above but at the but at the same time i do see the bulk of humanity
or the majority of humanity going along with it i mean the majority of humanity keeps uh
putting these people in power i mean yes yes and that is quite a conundrum to me i must say it's
a i cannot wrap my mind around that either so i i must admit this to be true at the same time i
think that they are operating from a place of unawareness right asleepness uh uneducated
darkness which should i guess it fits into what you're saying um you know i what about
subscribing to you you're you're sort of uh identifying uh a chosen few are you not well i
you know i don't know if i would call it a chosen few because i believe that anybody who wants to
can be you know part of the group here because the bible makes it real clear what it takes to
become the elect or what it takes to become saved the bible asked the question one time
in the bible what must i do to be saved and they said believe on the lord jesus christ and thou
shall be saved and thy house and the bible says whosoever will may come so it's not a chosen few
as much as it's an opportunity it's an it's an invitation to anyone who wants to to believe on
the lord jesus christ and be saved and and to open the bible and read it and to know these things
and so you know it is a few you're right it is a few i'll definitely agree with that and somebody
even asked jesus that while he was on this earth they asked the question are there few that be
saved and you know he answered it in more words but he basically said yes it's few he says the
minority it's the minority and that's why i believe it will always be the minority it always
has been the minority and and look the majority of this world is going to follow the obamas and
romneys of this world and they always have and they always will and the majority is always going
to be asleep and the minority is going to be awake that you know i'm sorry you know this is
totally catching me off guard i don't think i've ever had a conversation with somebody who's quite
said this so i'm sitting here thinking well i thought the uh the purpose you know was unification
and and and bringing the world together as one uh the people of this world you know blah blah blah
but it doesn't matter um it's it's quite interesting nevertheless because you're you're
it this is very interesting to me that's all i have to say because what you're doing is you're
pointing out that my thinking is is right i mean you're you're you're validating a few things as
well as we go on this along with this show oh questioning line of questioning it's interesting
i'd like to have a talk with you off the air but um so in reference to what you were exposing in
this after the tribulation uh documentary um what you were exposing is actually quite big i mean
how many uh let's let's not turn anybody in unless you want to but how many churches are subscribing
to uh the opposite of what the after the tribulation is trying to uh expose how many
how many of the churches are preaching the complete opposite okay well i'm an independent
baptist say that uh 99 of baptists are preaching the opposite of what this film portrays
oh wow 99 and that's being conservative and then if we were to look at say just you know
step outside of just baptists and just look at all um you know let's say just evangelical
christian churches would say 99 are teaching the opposite but when it comes to uh for example
roman catholicism and i i definitely do not subscribe to catholicism and i have
problems with catholicism but they they don't really believe in any of this they don't believe
they don't really believe and you know a lot of your protestants don't really believe in any of it
but when we're talking about modern evangelical christianity baptists people that are more
fundamentalist or bible believing type people i would say 99 of them have been duped into
believing that the rapture comes before the tribulation even though there's not one shred
of scripture that says that and even though the word tribulation is used 22 times in the
new testament you can look up all 22 verses and i encourage anyone to do so not one of them even
comes close to saying that the rapture comes before the tribulation this is like the elephant
in the room where everybody knows it's a lie if they've done any kind of reading or study
but i don't know how in the world they have been able to pull this off but they have deceived 99
of christianity into just ignoring the clear scriptures that i just read to you a few minutes
ago from matthew 24 and i could you know and that's why i encourage people to get the film
because obviously in our limited time on this radio program we can't go through all the
scriptures you know and and the film goes through way more evidence that just you know demolishes
this teaching of the pre-trib rapture and i'm telling you this video is going to change a lot
of people's minds sure i've got a question um does the pastor believe that there is a
quote-unquote church that is separate from the physical church down the street no there's a
doctrine out there there's a doctrine out there that teaches that all believers make up quote
unquote the church like a universal church or an invisible church i do not believe that the
word church means congregation or assembly so i believe that a church is a group of people
a congregation of people an assembly of people so i have a fellowship exactly okay and then um
what he says okay uh that is one thing he gave you in his life you get to make the choices
during this life during that 98 of the physical church was started for control of the people
as far as the catholics go so that's what another comment that was made i agree with that i believe
that catholicism has been used as you know a controlling force that kept europe in darkness
during the middle ages and that definitely you know did not encourage people to read and write
and definitely wanted to keep people ignorant so that they could control them extort money out of
them and so forth and so there's a lot of corruption in a lot of religion and a lot of
churches and a lot of denominations but you know what that doesn't change the fact that the bible
is the word of god so we don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water i right word of god
i'm not following some kind of a man-made religion or a pope or a or a an organization you know i
just am a bible believing christian the bible is my final authority churches are corrupt that
doesn't mean all churches are corrupt though but you know a multitude of churches are corrupt
it's like everything else i said earlier the majority is always wrong so the majority of
churches are wrong the majority are wrong politically that's why democracy is not a
very good form of government because you're putting them in charge no you know it it the
way you're saying it it's it's fascinating because you're right most people follow
and so if you set the rule down or you set the note down or you put something on tv or on the
news or mainstream or what have you uh it's unfortunate but the majority of the masses
are easily um betrayed exactly easily sidewind it easily um conditioned easily just come over here
and do what we say and and that's what you know as an activist myself pastor that's what i'm up
against i can honestly say that is a very small percentage of people who get it right absolutely
that's kind of creepy i never thought of it that way you know i'm not scared because you know i've
read the end of the book and you know i know how it's gonna end up and i'm on the winning side
but there's gonna be hard times between now and then and you know this film is going to send a
huge shockwave through the Baptist and evangelical searches because this pre-tribulation rapture
doctrine is based on ignorance okay well this film cuts through ignorance it shines a spotlight
on on the bible scriptures to prove that this doctrine is beyond a shadow of a doubt
this isn't some gray area where well you know people have different opinions
i mean it's crystal clear in the bible and yet people are in total ignorance on this they've
been totally brainwashed and this film is going to i guarantee you gonna change a lot of people's
mind because there is no way any rational person can watch this film and walk away still believing
in the pre-tribulation rapture it just it's not gonna happen unless they just want to just be
willfully ignorant i mean this this documentary demolishes it and now i have a question in tempe
you know you um you are you you preach at a church in tempe i'm i'm sorry you know we're cutting out
we've been cutting up for a little bit and are you having a hard time hearing me too
yeah it's just starting to break up just a little bit you've been breaking up for about a minute
okay we're all breaking up is what the producer's saying and i don't know why that's happening
um i can you hear me at all i hear you i hear you loud and clear okay great um i what i was
going to ask you at the church in tempe do you preach this to to to your people there
oh yeah absolutely i mean obviously i preached the whole bible so i'm not talking about this
every week or anything like that but i i've definitely preached a lot of sermons on this
subject you know i'm sure i preached at least 30 sermons that specifically
dealt with this subject and what is your congregation's response
oh well they i mean they love it i mean they they eat it up because you know they're awake
and and and and the people in my church are the type of people who they don't just go to church
on sunday but they're reading their bibles on monday tuesday wednesday so when they get to
church and they hear this stuff preached you know they know what i'm saying because they've already
done so right now you have a website um that's uh is that kivprophecy.com
it's kjb i'm sorry i'm reading it wrong you're right it's kjv thank you for correcting me we'll
have that also in the article and on the on the video um and and and people are to contact you
through your website they can order after the tribulation there as well right
exactly if they go to kjvprophecy.com and that stands for king james version that's what the
kjv is so it's uh kjvprophecy.com right there on the home page they can click on the the poster
for the film and they can order a copy and here here's the thing even people that are not even
christians should order this film and give it to the christians that they know that are asleep
because i'll bet you that you know they know christians who have bought into this
pre-tribulation rapture and therefore they're shrugging everything off that it's a conspiracy
theory they don't want to hear anything about this stuff and put a film in their hand to wake
them up and so this film is just a great tool for uh i think it's a tool for anybody it's for
anybody christian or non-christian yeah i i think that this anybody could could take a look at the
film you know i i don't see why any there there shouldn't be any restrictions on it you never know
and how long have you been working on the film basically we we started really work heavily
working on in uh in january so basically it took a year to produce the film wow and basically we
did a lot of the the shooting back in february we shot a lot and then we shot a lot in october
and we've really intensely been working on it the last couple months but really we've been working
on it the entire year and you know spiritually speaking i've been working on this film my whole
life because i've been i've been studying this subject very heavily even since i was a teenager
right well i i think it's as described on the website i think this is gonna be a very hard
hit documentary smash bam boom uh for those especially those who are sort of in the know
or above for those who have subscribed their entire life to the opposite
and you know those who are open to like oh my god what the heck is going on here
in your in your church do you do you talk about the end times do you talk about what do you what
do you you know i'm just trying to get a little bit of background about what you do in tempe
arizona yeah absolutely you know i i preach the bible and i i definitely tied in with current
events i definitely preach about bible prophecy you know and i try to be well-rounded so i preach
every aspect of the bible you know i don't just spend all my time on this subject but i definitely
cover these subjects and i've definitely uh you know tied in current events with the new world
order and things like that and and you know how they tie in with what the bible is saying and i'm
definitely not afraid to cover these type of topics right it's in the bible you know i'm
gonna preach it and i'm tied in the day we live and that's the job of a preacher is to
is to uh tie these things and make them clear to people sure no doubt um and uh
what is your feelings as far as a timeline goes uh and what i asked what i mean by that question
is do you feel that there are some uh catastrophic times ahead of us hard times ahead of us do you
feel that we have um approached if you will an error that we may um really uh start to suffer
on the planet do you feel any matter is that enough is that not your concern oh that's oh
absolutely you know the bible see you know we've obviously we've spent most of the program talking
about you know how the rapture comes after the tribulation yeah we really wanted to talk about
what the tribulation is you know matthew 24 mark 13 go into it in great detail and also the book
of revelation goes into it but basically the tribulation is characterized by an
extreme amount of warfare it's going to be just the world is going to be at war okay and the
bible is very clear that there's going to be famine on the planet a global famine that's
going to take place during the tribulation it also talks about it being a time of disease
it talks about natural disasters earthquakes tidal waves these are all things that happen before the
sun and moon are darkened okay now people aren't being warned about these things at all christians
aren't being warned about it at all and you know we need to be prepared spiritually for the hard
times that are coming not only that but the biggest thing about the tribulation for believers
is that the bible is clear that christians are going to be executed during the tribulation
because when the anti-christ comes as the savior that's going to unite all the religions and unite
the governments and and you know solve everything basically if you don't worship him you're going
to be killed and the bible tells us that believers will not be deceived by this guy and so what we
have ahead of us as christians if this happens in our lifetime because theoretically this could
happen 100 years from now when we're all gone but i believe when we look at all the different
things technologically and and geopolitically i would find it hard to believe that this does
not happen in my lifetime okay well if this happens in our lifetime then what we have ahead
of us is warfare famine you know people are going to be starving to death there's going to be natural
disasters there's going to be all this persecution of christians and christians are not being warned
about this at all they're totally asleep they're totally in the dark it's going to catch them
completely unawares you know the average person has seven to ten days of food in their house
and you know when famine comes they're not even going to know what's happening they're not even
going to realize that the bible predicted this you know it's it's going to be a shock to a lot
of people when these things start happening sure now do you have any insight to who this
anti-christ is well i don't know who he is personally but i believe that he will be basically
the the the messianic figure of every major religion or he will claim to be for example
because if you look at the jews for example you know judaism does not believe that jesus was the
messiah they believe is still coming okay well they're gonna they're going to embrace this guy
as their messiah the anti-christ they will accept him as their messiah and then the muslims
they believe in a succession of prophets abraham moses jesus muhammad and they believe that after
muhammad another prophet will come that will be greater than muhammad that will bring an
all-inclusive religion okay well when the anti-christ comes they will accept him as the
imam madhi or their messianic figure if you look at the buddhists and those that you know those
that are in tibet that follow the dali lama they believe that the dali lama keeps being
reincarnated i believe that this guy will be claiming to be the next you know reincarnation
of the dali lama he'll be the fifth buddha he'll be the the messianic the messiah of the jews the
imam madhi of islam and to apostate christianity they will say this guy is the second coming of
jesus this is jesus christ this is the second coming of christ and so all these religions
are waiting for this messiah this anti-christ will bring them all together and be their messiah
only one catch get on board or be killed that's the only catch receive this mark in your right
hand or in your forehead or be killed you know he's doing a lot of great things he's bringing
a lot of people together but you better get on board or you're gonna die and you know this is
what we see coming in the tribulation that nobody's being warned about christians have no
idea that the bible teaches this so in the awareness of this for one to be aware of this
what would be the next step now that you're awake now that you know now that you see what's the next
step well the the basically the benefit of knowing is that you know when something's bad when
something bad is going to happen if you know about it it's a lot easier to cope with it spiritually
and psychologically just when you're when you're prepared for it so i would say the next step is to
warn everybody else about it you know and to try to get other christians awake on this subject
first of all if somebody is is not saved the you know the first step is to believe on jesus christ
and i you know i hope that i hope that some non-christians will watch this film because
at the end of the film you know we cover the plan of salvation we cover the gospel of jesus christ
and how people can be saved so the first step is getting saved well if you're saved and you know
about this subject the second step would be to warn other people about it and then as far as
being prepared you know i think it's great to have food in stock i think it's great to have
you know supplies and and a basic level of preparedness i think that that's obviously not
going to hurt you you know when you're going into something like this but at the end of the day
you know we're also going to have to rely on god to protect us and god to take care of us because
you know there might come a point where we might have all the food stored up but you know we might
have to flee or escape from this uh police state or prison planet or whatever you want to call it
that is encroaching on us and if they're you know if they've got a warrant out for my arrest
because i'm preaching against the anti-christ and i'm preaching the gospel well then you know i
might have to head for the hills so i think just first of all it's most important to be prepared
spiritually that's why i'm memorizing the bible that's why i'm just trying to you know stay close
to god secondly it's smart to have some food and and some supplies it's also smart to just be in
good shape physically and just ready for whatever happens but at the end of the day i'm i'm
ultimately relying on god to protect me because i may i may just have the shirt on my back someday
and i'm going to be trusting the lord to protect me and my family so i guess i'll put it this way
i'm prepared by making him pleased with me you know i want god to be pleased with me
and i want god to be uh to look down and and and see that i'm doing the right things so that he'll
bless me and protect me and help me get through the difficult times ahead so i'm not going to go
out and live a heated lifestyle because you know i believe that no matter what i do i'm still going
to heaven because i'm a believer i'm saved all my sins are forgiven but you know what i want to be
i want to be careful to live a godly life just so that god will bless me on this earth and protect
me well and it sounds like what you're doing is is you know a lot of people are whether they're
christians or not uh i know a lot of people who try to live a life of service and a life of love
and a life of care and um not necessarily you know uh christians as well but listen we're at
the end of the show the break just came right in on us and i just want to thank you so much pastor
it's been a very interesting talk and we'll have you back again the film is after the tribulation
it's at after the tribulation.com pastor thank you so much for being here you have a good evening
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