Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Preacher Profile interview series.
It's the eighth episode of this video podcast.
I'm going to be joined in moments by Pastor Jason Robinson, but first take a look at this
video package highlighting exactly who Pastor Robinson is before we get to the interview.
Check this out.
You have the flesh and you have the spirit, and you have to choose whether you're going
to walk in the flesh or walk in the spirit, and a Christian can choose to walk in the
flesh for the rest of their life, and they'll still be saved because God is not a liar.
Because God said that He'd give us eternal life unto Him that believeth, not unto Him
that perseveres unto the end, not unto Him that keeps all the law, it's Him that believes.
And it's very clear that all things are becoming new, but it's not until our resurrected statement
that's going to be true body, soul, and spirit.
Right now, our soul and spirit can say, yeah, all things are becoming new, but we grow for
the redemption of the body.
Pastor Jason Robinson of Mountain Baptist Church in Fairmont, West Virginia is the latest
man of God to be featured on the Preacher Profile series.
Pastor Robinson got saved in 2002, and he began to grow in the years following to where
he's at today.
The Clarksburg, West Virginia native has over 70 chapters of the Bible committed to memory,
word for word.
He's also committed his life to reaching the lost with the gospel of Jesus Christ, feeding
the flock of God, and using his ministry to advance the cause of Christ.
At Mountain Baptist Church, like other churches associated with the new IFB movement, children
and infants of all ages are welcome to hear the preaching during the services.
And the preaching they're going to get to hear will edify them.
Pastor Robinson is unapologetic about what he believes.
Recently, he even made that fake doctor, James White, look like a fool on his own radio program.
Tonight, I sit down one on one with the pastor of Mountain Baptist Church, Pastor Jason Robinson,
on this live broadcast, Preacher Profile.
It starts next.
How's it going, everyone?
You're watching Preacher Profile here on my YouTube channel, youtube.com slash bend the
Baptist.
I'm here with Pastor Jason Robinson of Mountain Baptist Church, the next pastor to be featured
on this series.
Pastor Robinson, it's great to get this opportunity to speak with you tonight.
How are you?
Doing great.
Thanks for having me on here.
Well, it's good to see you, Pastor, and obviously you are the next person I'm going to be highlighting
here on the eighth episode of this series.
And what I usually do to start things off is talk about your testimony of salvation.
I talked about this with several other guests I've had on this series so far.
But I saw on your website, it said you got saved in 2002.
Talk a little bit about that and how you ended up becoming a child of God and believing on
the Lord Jesus Christ.
Okay.
Well, I grew up Catholic, so my mom's side of the family was Catholic.
My dad's side was more so Protestant, but my mom's the one that went to church.
So I grew up in the Catholic church, never liked it, to be honest.
Everybody was pretty pretentious in that church, which is a good thing because maybe not want
to be there.
But my friend, Mike Maludich, who I was friends with in high school, he went to an independent
fundamental Baptist church and he was just kind of inviting a whole bunch of people to
come to a revival at his church.
And so he invited me to come to it.
And I remember I was going to a non-denominational church with my dad when I was in high school,
and basically I'd heard that it's by grace and it's not by works.
They kind of give lip service to that in a lot of churches.
But this revival I went to, the preacher there was basically preaching on eternal security
and preaching that, hey, if you think you've lost your salvation, you're not trusting in
Jesus Christ alone.
You're adding some kind of works to salvation.
And it kind of took me back.
I was just like, oh man, I never heard that before, but I was like, that makes perfect
sense.
And so after that, I talked to Mike and we kind of just talked about it and stuff like
that and got saved shortly after that.
And then I ended up being roommates with him in college.
We both went to WVU for engineering and so met a lot of good friends up there and stuff
like that.
That's the short of it, but yeah, I mean, I got saved.
It was a fall revival of 2002, so it was in my senior year of high school that I got saved.
Since then, obviously you've grown exponentially as a Christian and your Bible knowledge as
well.
70 chapters, correct, you have memorized?
It's over that now, but yeah, it's somewhere over 70 chapters.
I haven't counted it recently, but yeah, so.
70?
Man, do you have to make me feel like a total loser?
There's people that have way more than I do on that, so.
All right, we'll get to that a little later on, because I want to ask how you were able
to accomplish that feat.
But before we get to it, I have to ask you about Mountain Baptist Church and the origins
of it.
When did you decide, hey, you know what, I want to get into the ministry, I want to be
a pastor.
When was that moment for you?
Well, it was one of those things, actually, it was when I met Pastor Anderson.
So I met Pastor Anderson back in 2008, and we had been listening to him, but him and
actually both of the Persians were going to be down in DC.
And anyway, we kind of got tricked into going to a Ron Paul rally, which is not a bad thing,
but anyway, all that to say is that when I was at that, and I met Pastor Anderson for
the first time, I remember saying, you know, there needs to be good preachers out there
and all that stuff.
I just don't think, I don't know if God wants me to do it, you know?
Like if God's calling me, you know, the old, you know, God's calling you kind of thing.
And Pastor Anderson, he said to me, he said, do you think there needs to be more good churches
out there?
I said, yeah, of course.
He's like, then God wants you to do it.
And so I was like, okay.
But obviously back then I wasn't, you know, anywhere near qualified, I wasn't married
or anything like that.
And so basically from that point on, that was kind of a goal, you know, is that I wanted
to do that so that, you know, I was basically just trying to memorize as much as I could.
And, you know, read as much as I could and just try to gain a bunch of knowledge, get
soul winning, get plugged into a church.
And so, yeah, I'd say since 2008, it was pretty much on the forefront.
That's what I wanted to do eventually.
And Mountain Baptist Church, talk about how that came to fruition and any memories you
have of the first service.
When was the first service over there at Mountain Baptist Church?
September 17th, 2017.
So actually we had the, I was talking to Brother Bruce, we had the same opening.
So when Brother Bruce, they started at Satellite Church in LA, it was actually the same exact
weekend.
So, but yeah, September 17th, 2017 was our first service.
It's kind of surreal.
It still kind of is.
It still feels pretty new, even though we're about a year and a half in.
But it's been great ever since day one, so I've been enjoying it.
I believe there's a scripture in NAMM that uses the word mountain.
Can you talk about the name of the church and how you came up with it and why you decided
to go with Mountain Baptist Church?
Yeah, so I wanted a name that kind of was associated with soul winning.
I didn't want to be super cliche or anything like that.
But West Virginia is known as the Mountain State.
So that's like a moniker of our state because our whole state is covered in the Appalachian
Mountains.
So I was kind of thinking of how I could tie that in, but I wanted something that was soul
winning.
So in NAMM 115, it says, Behold upon the mountains, the feet of him that bring good tidings that
publisheth peace.
But also in Isaiah 52, it says, How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that
bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace, that bringeth good tidings of good, that publish
to salvation, that set on design thy God reigneth.
That's actually where Romans 10 is quoting back and saying, as it is written, how beautiful
are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace.
And so I tried to tie it in with soul, because I wanted our church to be known for soul winning,
to be honest.
And so that's kind of where that name came from.
And I was thinking like mountain of truth, or mountain view.
It seemed like everybody had those names.
I didn't want to be Mount Zion, everybody would think I was a Zionist, or holy mount
or something, you know what I mean?
And so mountain, I just want something simple, that when you go up to the door, it's very
easy to say, you know, we're with Mountain Baptist Church, and you know, I didn't want
a mouthful, but that's where that name came from.
So it's kind of geographically the reason, but also because of the association with soul
winning.
I think it's a cool name, so you did a good job.
John Anglin in the chat room is asking this question.
He says, what kind of engineering does Pastor Jason do?
Is it coal mining engineering?
No, I do structural engineering.
I got my engineering degree in civil engineering, which a lot of times mining is, you can get
a mining degree with that.
But I do, I design commercial buildings, so hotels, offices, stuff like that, mainly low
rise type buildings and stuff like that, so yeah, I'm a structural guy.
Very cool.
Now let's talk a little about your ordination.
Do you have any memories at all of that day?
The ordination?
Yeah.
Excitement that has finally happened.
I got sent out from Emmanuel Baptist Church up here in Mauringtown, West Virginia.
It was kind of bittersweet because I had a lot of people there at the church that I really
liked being around and stuff like that.
It's not like I was just ready to flee from everybody there, but at the same time, I didn't
want to start the work and I wanted to get through it.
It was one of those things from the years since 2008, like I said, but then going to
churches where they didn't like us and we were always the troublemakers that were going
around and talking about non-pre-trip stuff.
You're them rebels, huh?
That's right, that's right.
But all that to say is that it was a pretty surreal moment, but it was awesome too because
my whole family was there and just different friends and stuff like that, and it was kind
of like this is finally happening type of moment.
That's awesome.
I want to give a quick shout-out to some other people there in the chat room.
I see Maribou Guzman, 1611.
Dustin Lone, who I gave mod powers to to take care of some trolls, so thank you Dustin Lone
for accepting that responsibility, and Heath Hendricks is in there as well, along with
Matthew Martin.
So thank you everybody for tuning in to this live stream here.
Again, I'm with Pastor Jason Robinson, episode 8 of the Preacher Profile series.
Now Pastor Robinson, I want to ask you about how you discovered the new IFB.
We talked about your ordination, we talked about the origins, the beginning of Mountain
Baptist Church, how you came up with that name.
But now let's talk about the new IFB, specifically Pastor Steven Anderson.
When did you discover Pastor Anderson, and what was it about his preaching that intrigued
you?
Yeah, so actually Brother Matt Stuckey is the one that found him, and this was back
when YouTube wasn't a big thing, so I want to show my age a little bit here, meaning
that he was on a forum and he was defending the King James Bible, and that catches our
eye because we were King James only, and we just loved people that were standing up for
the King James Bible.
Well, Brother Stuckey found his preaching online, and the number one thing that caught
our eye, besides the King James Bible, was that he was post-trib.
And that was something that Brother Stuckey and I, we were roommates one year in college,
and we had taken Matthew 24 and Revelation 6 and put them side by side, we're like, it's
very clear that Jesus is coming after the tribulation.
We didn't have everything all mapped out like we do now, but we did know that Jesus was
coming after tribulation, but before he poured out his wrath, and we're like, there's no
way that there's a Baptist preacher that believes that, because every single Baptist preacher
we listened to was all pre-trib.
And so we started listening to him, and then Brother Stuckey's like, he believes something
interesting about the homosexuals, and he's like, he believes that they can't get saved.
I was like, and off the cuff, I was kind of like, that kind of sounds wrong, because you
think of everybody, you die for everybody, but then you listen to it, and you're like,
yeah, there's almost like this key that unlocked a lot of things, and you listen to it, you're
like, oh, that's unforgivable sin, like he's blinding people's eyes with parables and stuff.
It's like everything makes sense when you come to that realization.
And so it didn't take much for me to come around on that doctrine.
It was more so Bible ignorance before I heard that doctrine.
But yeah, that was, I don't know if it was 2007.
I know I met him in 2008, but I can't remember exactly when we started listening to his sermons,
but I think it was maybe later 2007 that we actually found his stuff online.
It's amazing when you line up Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, the fancy theological term
obviously is the Olivet Discourse, but when you line up that with 1 Thessalonians 4 and
Revelation 6, you look at all those scriptures together, and it's clear they're all describing
the same event, Pastor, which then the logical conclusion is the rapture recurs after the
tribulation but before God's wrath.
It seems like you believed that before discovering Pastor Anderson.
There are many people who understood this position after watching the After the Tribulation
documentary, and I find those to be very interesting stories, but for you specifically, it seems
like you believed this prior to discovering Faithful Word Baptist Church.
Are there other doctrines that you already believed before listening to Pastor Anderson
that once you found him and realized he believes like you on those things, you were excited
about it?
Anything else that you believed before?
The one thing that I really loved about him is his soul-willing presentation on going
into eternal security, and that was something we were dealing with before that as far as
shallow soul-willing on the one, two, three, repeat after me a little bit, and I loved
that about him.
I loved that he knew that's where the rubber met the road, and so really the King James
Bible was huge, that it's perfect without error, and it was right after that the Jack
Scott thing came out where there was this big division in the IFB on whether it's just
preserved or if it's inherent and preserved, the inspired argument, and so that was a big
thing.
Honestly, though, there was a doctrine, the repentance of sin stuff.
We weren't really privy to that, if that makes sense, meaning that that was kind of something
we were just getting out of, meaning that we were in a church where this guy was starting
to preach repent of your sins, and I remember Mike Mullidge's dad, Mike's the one that
won me to the Lord, his dad walked out of the service when this guy preached repent
of your sins, and it was one of those things where we were like, I didn't know what he
said that was wrong, because a lot of people say repent of your sins, but they just mean
realize you're a sinner, and that was a big issue that was coming up, and Pastor Anderson
was obviously preaching hard against the repenting of your sins and stuff like that, so it was
kind of like we were coming to that knowledge that the repentance of sins was a big, major
Paul's doctrine that's out there, and then we met Pastor Anderson, and then, you know,
all that stuff, but the soul winning, I think, was the big thing that really drew us to him,
is a zeal for soul winning.
I saw the soul winning demonstration he had up with him and Pastor Burzins.
That really drew me to him as well, looking at how clearly the gospel was presented there.
It kickstarted a fire and a zeal and a movement for soul winning that's grown today here in
2019.
Somebody's asking in the chat room here, Matthew, Garrett, how old were you when you got saved?
I would have been 17, because it was the fall before I turned 18.
I mentioned it earlier, but over 70 chapters, the video package states 70 chapters memorized,
but you've gotten some more since then, but that's a lot, and I'm curious, what did you
do to gain all this Bible knowledge for someone out there or for a lot of people who might
be watching this, whether it's live right now or on the archived version of this podcast,
if they're sitting there thinking, man, I want to be able to memorize 70 plus chapters
one day, I want to be able to know the Bible to that level one day, is there any advice
you would give somebody?
And basically what I'm trying to understand here is, what's the secret formula?
What did you do to gain this much knowledge?
Well, first of all, Pastor Anderson was a big proponent to why I started memorizing
chapters and books of the Bible, because I remember when I first started listening to
him, I saw one of his sermons was where he quoted the whole book of Hebrews, and I was
like, wow, that can be done?
It was almost like this, I didn't even think it was possible to memorize that much.
And when I saw that, I was like, oh man, I want to try that.
So my thing is, I would start off with a small book.
And so I started off with Titus, so Titus was my first book I ever memorized, and it's
like pretty much 15 verses per chapter, and so it's pretty short, but there's a lot of
good stuff in there, and you can get through it, and you kind of see the light at the end
of the tunnel, and you're like, oh, I got a book down.
And so then I went from there, I went to Philippians, and I kind of worked my way up to where I
was starting to do bigger books and stuff like that.
But honestly, it's just repeating the verse over and over again in your head, saying it
out loud.
And there's certain ways that I would, when I was memorizing 1 John, I would go to the
gym and I would run a mile on the treadmill, and I wouldn't stop running until I quoted
the book of 1 John.
So that was one way that I would try to keep it memorized.
And obviously, you're kind of punishing yourself if you can't remember it, and you get stuck
on a verse or something like that.
So there's certain books that I have that are a lot more hardcore down.
1 John is one of them, and Titus is one that I could quote off any day of the week, just
because I don't know if it's just because it was the first one I did and I spent a lot
of time on it.
But honestly, there's no real trick to it.
It's just consistency, just staying consistent and just getting that hunger for it.
I think the way that I look at it, and I tell the people at my church, because we've been
doing a chapter memory challenge, and I tell them, I said, you've got to look at it like
you're owning it.
Basically no one can take that away from you.
You memorize that chapter, and it becomes this addiction, I'll put it that way.
It's very addicting, where you're like, I want it all.
I want it all.
I want it all on my mind, and I want to know every single one of them.
So you've got to make it fun.
You've got to make it that avenue of, hey, this is something I really want and I need
to have.
Well, if there's anything that I would think it would be okay to be addicted to, it'd probably
be memorizing God's word.
Do you quote the chapters you've already memorized regularly in an effort to keep them from fading
away into your mind?
Because if you memorize something but never quote it, I would think eventually it would
atrophy in your mind and you might forget it.
Do you take time out of your day to quote all these chapters just to keep yourself refreshed
in that area?
I don't do it as much maybe as I should, but I'll say this.
When I memorize a book, when I come back to it, let's say you took off and you didn't
memorize it for three months, you're probably not going to be able to quote it off immediately,
but just refreshing it, you'll be able to get it within a day.
Sometimes I'll just say, hey, I need to quote off Philippians.
I haven't done that in a while.
I'll just take a day.
Just throughout the day, I'll just be trying to do it.
Usually there are just certain verses that you're getting caught up on and everything,
but there is something to be said about putting it into your long-term memory.
If you were to memorize a chapter today, or let's say in a week you memorize a chapter,
if you just quoted that off every single day, that's really only in your short-term memory
at that point.
You almost need to take a break to where you have to come back to it and try to pull it
into your long-term memory.
I find that sometimes, and here's the thing, it's there.
Don't get discouraged.
You're like, ah, I don't know if I have that.
Listen, we all get bogged down with that, especially if you're doing a bigger book,
and you're like, I don't know if I have the first four chapters down, and then you get
bogged down trying to make sure you have those memorized.
In the end, if you were to, let's say you memorize the whole New Testament at one time,
but you couldn't quote it all off confidently, you're going to still know exactly what's
in each one of those chapters.
There's no downside to it, so don't get discouraged if you're like, ah, I don't think I could
quote that chapter off at this moment.
I guarantee you could probably still tell me exactly what's in that chapter, and you'll
still have it in the back of your mind.
You may not be able to quote it off perfectly, but you know what it says.
I do try to keep up with it, though.
I'll pick certain books and be like, all right, I'm going to work on this, kind of refresh
that one on top of trying to memorize new chapters at the same time.
How many hours of study does it take to reach a level of biblical knowledge to the point
where you're able to preach three times a week, to where you're able to expound on the
number of Bible doctrines you would need to to preach original sermons all year long?
What I'm trying to figure out is, how many hours did you study the Bible as you grew
to one day become a pastor yourself?
I'm not sure.
So basically, with my reading schedule, I do a lot of audio and Bible, too.
I'd say I get through the Bible about four times a year with audio alone.
A lot of that has to do with, you know, like I drive to work, so that's pretty much in
my truck.
By myself, which is most of the time, I'm listening to the Bible.
And so it's just a constant, like I'm just hearing it, you know.
But then obviously I have my Bible reading on top of that.
And so, you know, I would say from when I started listening to Pastor Anderson from
2008 to 2009, I'd say around 2008, I've listened, just alone listened to the Bible four times
a year since then.
And it's just a routine, you know, I just got into a routine of doing it.
And you know, honestly, the preaching three times a week, the Wednesday night's easy,
because it's expository, meaning like, I don't have to figure out what subject I'm going
to preach on.
Right.
I'm locked into the subject.
Now, that doesn't mean that I don't need to still study out what I'm going to preach on.
But that's pretty easy.
But as of right now, I mean, there's so much stuff that goes on in the world, that I'm
constantly like, I don't have enough time to preach what I want to preach on.
So a lot of times I'll be preaching on what's going on in the world, or what I've just read
recently, and something that I just want to preach on.
But I do have a list of doctrines.
So I have certain doctrines that I want to get through in a year.
You know, hell, eternal security, just different things, you know, from baptism to the Holy
Ghost to, you know, different things that I want to hit on.
So I do have a list, and I'm like checking off and making sure I'm not missing something.
So, but yeah, I don't know, I don't know the answer to that.
I don't know.
I never really like...
You don't have a stopwatch sitting next to you as you're studying your Bible.
But I would assume it was a pretty good amount of time.
It was definitely a priority.
And when I was single, it was even more so.
I remember I read through the Bible in one month, one time, and it was really a friend
of mine that did it.
And a friend of mine, he's like, I read through it in a month, and I'm like, what a good night.
I'm like, a month.
But I was single, and I remember reading through it in a month, and it was intense.
But I tell you what, it gave me a very big picture of everything, because you're like,
in the New Testament, you're like, I just read the Old Testament, you know, last week.
And so I don't recommend doing that all the time, for those that are listening.
You need to tone it down a little bit to where you're actually chewing on the word a little
bit.
So I do think there is an extreme where you're going too far with your Bible, and you've
got to actually think about it too.
But yeah, when I was single, I did a lot.
And obviously when you have kids and stuff like that, you kind of have to really plan
out when you're going to do it and all that stuff.
When you became a pastor, we've already touched on this a little bit, now you've got to preach
three times a week.
You talked about the expository preaching that takes place on Wednesday night, the Bible
study where you're given a chapter, you've got to study it out and deliver a message.
But on Sundays, you're preaching two topical sermons each and every single week.
Have you found that to be challenging at all, always having something ready to go each and
every Sunday night?
Or are there plenty of topics for you to hit on and it hasn't been an issue for you at
all figuring out what to deliver on a Sunday morning and Sunday night?
It hasn't really been an issue.
Honestly, throughout the week, I'm usually thinking of sermon topics.
They're usually in my head, and usually on the weekend I'm just putting it down on paper
and trying to structure it to where it's in a manner that people are going to understand
it.
Because in my head it makes sense.
If only I could just open up my head, give it to someone else and be like, all right,
there you go.
So the big thing with preaching to me is the structure of it to where it's on the bottom
shelf and it's very simple to understand.
Because you're going to have complex stuff, too, but you can make complex things.
You can explain it in a simple manner.
There's times where there's things going on and you're just like, yeah, like when the
abortion stuff, when the New York City passed that law to kill babies up to birth.
I knew what I was preaching on Sunday morning.
I preached on God is Angry with the Wicked Every Day, and it was pointed towards those
wicked people.
So that stuff's pretty easy.
But honestly, I haven't had problems with trying to figure out subjects.
But here's the thing.
A lot of people in my church have questions sometimes.
And so sometimes, a lot of times, I'm preaching on stuff that someone just asked me a question
about.
And so a church member asked me, what about the Holy Ghost in the Old Testament?
Were they filled with the Spirit, with the Comforter, and all this stuff?
So I was like, OK, I guess I need to preach on that.
And so they're all good questions, but usually if someone in the church has a question on
something, then maybe someone else in the church has that same question.
So that'll determine sometimes what I'm preaching on.
I don't preach on, like, if someone tells me about a sin they're in or something, I'm
not like, well, I'm preaching on that Sunday morning, they know what I'm talking about.
But it's usually like a doctrinal type thing.
Certainly makes it easier for you, I would think, if you're getting questions from your
congregation on certain doctrines they need help with for you to figure out what it is
you need to preach in order to feed the flock of God and what the people want.
There's a question from the chat room.
It's Ed Wesson, he's asking, how many times should one read their Bible per year?
Well, I guess it depends.
I would say, you know, the average Christian at least once a year.
I would make that your goal.
But if you're wanting to be a preacher, if you're wanting to be a pastor, or you're wanting
to be in the ministry of some sort, I would set the goal up four times a year at the minimum.
And honestly, I'm just being honest with you, with the audio I go through four times
a year and then more so with the Bible reading on top of that, and I still feel like I don't
know enough.
And so when you're in that position of leadership to where everybody's looking at you for the
answer, you know, I never feel like I know as much as I should, and so I'm constantly
wanting to know more.
If I was less than four times a year, I'd feel very inadequate for a preacher, for a
pastor.
But when it comes to anybody that's sitting in a pew and stuff like that, I would set
the goal as far as the bare minimum once in a year, and that's really just 15 minutes
a day.
And let's say you're a really slow reader, 30 minutes, okay?
And with audio Bible and stuff like that, you really don't have much of an excuse because
most people are driving to work and stuff like that, and you can get that stuff on your
phone, you can get apps and all that stuff that'll do it for you, and turn off the radio,
turn on some Scorby, you know, and listen to the Bible.
Is that your Bible narrator of choice, Alexander Scorby?
Yeah, yeah, I'm partial to Alexander Scorby.
But I'm not against, obviously, other people, but yeah.
Well, I want to ask you this question.
It's another one that I tend to ask a lot of the guests I bring on here for the Preacher
Profile series, and it's a simple one.
Are there any pastors you look up to, whether they're in or outside of our movement, any
pastors you look up to and say, this is somebody I've learned a lot from?
I'm assuming Pastor Anderson's going to be on the list, but if there's anybody else,
who would you say that is?
Yeah, so obviously Pastor Anderson's on the list.
I would say the pastor that sent me out, Pastor Huggins, is one that, even though we're not
exactly the same stripe, he was very patient, and I learned a lot of patience and how to
be patient with people, and a lot dealing with the pastoral aspect of things and dealing
with people and stuff like that.
So I definitely learned a lot from him.
Pastor Jimenez, I met him back in 2009 at a camping trip, and he's actually a year younger
than me, but I always think he's older than me, just because he was so mature.
The wisdom.
Yeah, but he's such a nice guy.
But his preaching style, I love his dynamic preaching style, and so I've looked up to
him as far as how to preach a lot, too.
And then Pastor Burzins and other people I talk to, actually Brother Bruce, he and
I, we've kind of talked a lot, too, and I listen to a lot of his preaching, and I think
he's got a lot of good stuff, too.
There's so many guys, but obviously I've known Pastor Anderson, Pastor Burzins, Pastor Jimenez
longer than anybody, and so I kind of looked at them just because I've known them longer
and been friends with them a lot longer.
Awesome.
For those who've just joined us, this is Pastor Jason Robinson here.
We talked about his salvation testimony, his ordination, how he came up with the name Mountain
Baptist Church, a little bit more about what it was like to first become a pastor, how
he gained the Bible knowledge he has today, the Bible memorization skills that he's got
going for himself as well.
Now I want to ask you about when you became a pastor, whether or not there was anything
at all that caught you off guard about the role.
From the outside looking in, there are going to be things you expect about the position
that you're going to have to be a minister to people, that you have to exalt others and
esteem others more than yourself, that you have to be humble, that you've got to preach
three times a week, and you've got to know your Bible and constantly be in your Bible
and continuing like a sponge to absorb as much biblical information as possible.
Was there something at all, Pastor Robinson, that once you were given that position caught
you off guard a little bit, or were you expecting everything that came at you once you became
the man of God of Mountain Baptist Church?
I knew everything.
I would say that when you become a pastor, and you kind of know that it's there but you
don't know it until you're in it, is the responsibility, the responsibility that everybody's
looking to you, that you are the leader, that the buck stops at you.
That became real.
The moment I started the church, I'm like, wow, I'm the leader here, I'm in charge.
I'll say the thing that surprised me, I don't want to say it, it may sound bad, is how much
I care for the people there.
I always think about the Apostle Paul where it says, and last of all, the care of the
churches has come upon me when it comes to all the things he's dealing with.
It's one of those things where when you have a family, you care for your children, but
when you're a pastor, it does tie in where if something's going on in the church, I take
that home with me.
It's hard to let it, you don't want to let it go, I don't want to say that, but if someone
in the church is going through a hard time, I tend to emotionally be there with them in
that.
That's one of those things that I didn't really think, I didn't really, I figure you know
it's there, you know you're going to be there and be the pastor and the flock's there and
all that stuff, but it's just that care that you have for that church.
We have a bunch of really good people at our church, and I wouldn't trade them for anything
in the world, and so I'm very blessed to have a really good core group of people and families
at our church, but I would say that's probably the thing that surprised me is just how much,
you know, because you just, I don't want to say worry, but you just care and you want
to make sure everybody's doing alright, you want to make sure everybody's good to go,
and just making sure you're doing a good job, you know I don't want to mess up, you know
I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
There's a scripture, and this is what I was looking at if you saw me here pastor, but
there's a scripture in 1 Thessalonians chapter 3 that I think demonstrates the love Paul
had for the congregation for the church in Thessalonica that I wanted to share real quickly.
It says in verse 6, but now when Timotheus came from you unto us, you probably have this
one memorized too don't you, anyway, but now when Timotheus came from you unto us and brought
us good tidings of your faith and charity and that ye have good remembrance of us always
desiring greatly to see us as we also to see you, therefore brethren we were comforted
over you in all our affliction and distress by your faith for now we live if you stand
fast in the Lord for what thanks can we render to God again for you for all the joy wherewith
we joy for your sakes before our God.
As a leader he felt joy and it says for your sakes, I want to ask you pastor Robinson,
as a leader of your church when you're seeing members of your congregation excelling, when
you're seeing them hit spiritual milestones, is it kind of like the proud papa watching
his son walk for the first time, if you will, and excuse that analogy there, but talk about
that from the pastor's perspective as you're watching people growing as a direct result
of your teaching.
Yeah I mean I look at it and I don't think it's me, you know, I mean there's families
in our church that started going soul winning for the first time and have been winning people
to Christ and I love seeing it, you know, it's almost just a joy to be there to watch
it and yeah I mean to think that I have any part in that is I can't explain the joy to
you.
I mean, you know, no greater joy do I have than to see that my children walk in faith
and listen a lot of these people, I didn't win these people to Christ but it's awesome
to see that they're not just listening to the sermon but they're actually applying it
and just to see the growth and all that stuff, I mean, yeah, I mean that makes you want to
go on and not that I've like thought about, you know, like hey I want to quit or anything
like that but I'll say the one thing that, one big thing that'll keep you going is like
I can't, they need, you know, like if I quit, you know, the repercussions of like all these
people that are growing and what they're doing, you know, that is a huge motivating
factor to say no, I'm going, you know, no matter what because they need to press forward
and if I don't then that can hinder them and, you know, but yeah that's a great joy that
God would count me worthy at all to be a part of that but yeah, so yeah, I'm just super
blessed to be honest with you. I didn't imagine it to be this good. It was almost like, you
know, where you're like I'm going to start a church, I can finally, you know, I'm like
the shackles are off, you know, when it comes to a lot of these doctrines that you get annoyed
with and that's I think was in my mindset more so as far as like I can finally preach
on this, I can finally, you know, do this or that but I don't think it registered to
think that hey there's going to be a lot of people that are going to just be doing great
things for God that are going to be in this church and that this church is the one of
the big reasons why and it's not just me, I mean there's tons of people in the church
that, you know, just come together and that have, you know, just the friendships that
have been made to where people are just excelling at our church so yeah, to think that I have
any part in that is just mind-blowing to say the least.
Switching gears here, in the opening video package, I referenced your appearance on the
James White show, The Fake Doctor, I thought you made him look like a fool, I recorded
a video shortly afterward just to show my support and I really enjoyed your appearance
there other than the technical difficulties, it wasn't your fault, I thought you wiped
the floor with him.
I wanted to get your thoughts on that experience, going into the hot seat and facing James White
on his radio show, going into his territory, we know you didn't do it because you thought
you could change White's mind, you went into it with the mentality that perhaps you can
get somebody who's on the fence who might be tuning in for that particular episode to
change their mind about the false damnable doctrine of Calvinism, describe the experience
of going on to that White show, dialoguing with him, and doing that back and forth with
White.
Yeah, so that was definitely a crazy experience.
So I didn't know what to really expect, now James White, that's what he does, is debate.
And I'm just going to say up front, I'm not a debater.
But the thing that was annoying about that whole thing was not where I had my time to
say what I believe, and he had his time to say what he believes, it was the question
time that, here's the problem with debaters.
They load their questions, meaning that you ask them a question, and then they'll put
in things, so it's kind of like if I were to ask you a question, and then you started
stating off a whole bunch of stuff that had nothing to do with that question, but you're
basically putting in a bunch of poison in what you're saying, well, in his format, I
can't rebut that, I just have to ask another question, right?
It's like, wait a minute, we need to unpack what you just said.
And so there was a lot of that where he would ask a million questions, and I would answer
the last one, and when I look back at it, I'm like, man, I should have nailed him for
that one thing he said right there.
But when you're in it, it's not in my element to know how to do that or to deal with that
situation.
So I was basically just pulling out the last question he asked, because honestly, James,
I can't stand listening to that guy talk, so I'm just trying to hear the last thing
he says, and then I'd answer that.
But all I have to say is that I believe everything I said was right as far as doctrine-wise,
and what the Bible says.
The big thing was is that he was trying to go back to the Greek and saying all this other
stuff, and you're basically, you're in a different ballgame when you're dealing with someone
like that.
So if you're dealing with someone that would just stick to the English, you can just annihilate
them on their doctrine, right, because you can just basically pull it.
But basically, he's got this trump card, oh, well, back in the Greek, it says whatever
I want it to say.
And so then he goes off on this thing.
And so his exegesis is, you know, let me make the Greek say whatever I want it to say.
And people that are listening are going to eat that up.
But I did get some good feedback, meaning like I had some people contact me and said
they really enjoyed that I came on there, and they were not my new IP people, they were
just people that listened to James White.
And so my whole point with that was like, hopefully someone that's listening in that's
just kind of on the fence, that's just listening, would maybe say, hey, there's another side
to this.
You know, it's not just what we're hearing by James White.
There's another way to answer this passage.
And if that's enough, that's enough for me, and you know, let the chips fall where they
may, I guess.
So
I'm not sure how you were even supposed to operate within the arena of a structured discussion
with a guy who refused to just stick to what the King James says, and would constantly
go back like a pseudo-intellectual to the original language and, oh, well, this in the
Greek means this, and I'm so smart, I'm a theologian using big words that nobody else
uses.
It was ridiculous to me, sitting there watching it.
But Pastor Robinson, my question to you is, were you nervous at all?
I didn't want to mess up, if that makes sense.
I wasn't nervous about what I believed, or that I was right about what the passage says.
But I was more so, I wanted to do a good job, I didn't want to just freeze up, or I wanted
my mind to be there to where I can think on my toes kind of thing.
But it was just one of those things where I don't know if there's a good way to really
even answer the guy, meaning that what I tried to do with that is, he would say something
and just be like, well, this is what the Bible says.
I was just kind of sticking to, here's what it says, take it or leave it.
And people will look at that and be like, well, he's not intellectual because he doesn't
know the Greek word and all this stuff.
And I've studied Greek and stuff like that, and I'm still studying Greek.
And it's interesting, but I'm not going to go toe-to-toe with him in Greek when it comes
to that, because we should be able to go to the English and look at it anyway.
And I ran it, there's a guy that I go to, he actually runs the gym that I go to, and
he watched it.
I'm like, he watched that.
He's like, it popped up on my YouTube feed, and he told me, and here's someone that's
not saved, I've tried getting the gospel before, and he said, he's like, James White was like
this jerk.
And he's like, he was just condescending, because when he would go into the Greek, he'd
be like, well, you don't know, you got to know all this stuff.
I think a lot of people that are outside looking in, when they hear James White, they see someone
that thinks, that James White thinks really highly of himself, let's put it lightly.
And he may not, the guy that I was talking to, I don't know if he agreed with what I
believe on that, but he didn't like James White, I'll say that, and he liked the way
that I handled it.
But yeah, when it comes to those type of formats, if I would have done it differently, maybe
I would have just been a little more, just be like, I don't care about the format, I'm
going to tell you that you're an idiot on what you just said, you know what I mean?
Going back, you know, obviously hindsight's 20-20, because I've never been in that situation,
to be honest with you, to know how to handle that.
He exudes arrogance and pride, there's no doubt about that.
He also seemed to get really angry because he wanted to go to other scriptures to interpret
scripture.
Yeah.
So, yeah, the thing with that is, he kept saying this, and it was so annoying.
He's like, you're reading that passage backwards.
All I was doing was reading a full sentence.
So in Ephesians 1, where it says that they predestinated to be conformed to his image,
who first trusted in Christ, I was reading a whole sentence.
It just happens to be that that sentence takes up more than one verse.
And so he's like, oh, you know, this goes against everything, you know, when it comes
to exegesis.
It's like, what, reading the whole sentence?
You know what I mean?
That makes no sense.
But also, the fact is that it's a fallacy in thinking that in Rome, all they had was
that letter that he's writing to him, to where they didn't have anything else to compare
to when he said, whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate, that that's all they
had, to know what he's saying there.
It goes against everything about the Bible.
Right.
And so...
Putting scripture with scripture.
Yeah.
You're friends with brother Jeff Utzler.
You have been for quite some time.
Brother Matthew Stuckey as well.
Talk a little bit about that group you had going together.
It's you, Matthew Stuckey, Jeff Utzler, is there anyone else I'm forgetting?
Brother Richard Simes.
Oh, that's right.
I wasn't in there.
My bad.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, we had a good group there.
And even before that, we had a huge group of people that were really sold-out soul-runners
and stuff like that.
Some have kind of fallen off, meaning they're not really in it like they used to be, unfortunately.
But yeah, brother Matt Stuckey was a big one there from the beginning.
And then brother Jeff Utzler, I met him in 2012, I think, and then brother Richie even
before that.
But yeah, when we were going to Emanuel there, we had brother Stuckey, brother Richie, and
then brother Mike was there for a little while, the guy that would let me to the Lord.
And it was like a powerhouse, soul-winning church there, meaning we were just, we were
wanting tons of people to Christ, and then everybody left.
All my friends left me.
And so I was like, well, I'm either leaving or I'm going to start a church.
But it's good.
I mean, obviously, spreading out to do other things, we can't all stay together.
Well, the reason why I brought up brother Utzler is because he recently produced a documentary
proving that the oneness heresy is damnable, and Tyler Baker and his cronies at Valiant
Church, fake pretend Pentecostal church, that they're unsaved, that they're false prophets.
What did you think about his film?
You were a pretty big part of the film.
Your interpretation of Isaiah chapter 9, verse 6 was in there.
As he sat down and watched it, I'm assuming you have.
As he sat down and watched it, Pastor Robinson, what did you think of Jeff Utzler's effort
there with the movie, and just your overall thoughts on that documentary?
I thought it was great.
Did a really, really good job.
I really enjoyed my part—no, I'm just kidding—I really enjoyed the Abraham-Isaac relationship.
I can't see a whole new side of you here, go ahead, I'm sorry.
My sarcastic side.
But the Abraham-Isaac, and there was obviously a lot of good things in that film, but that
picture right there should be enough for people to say oneness is retarded.
It's just foolishness.
And that alone right there should be enough.
So I really enjoyed that, and just how he pieced that together and showed those different
things with that, and how the father-son relationship.
And the argument—I'd say the most blasphemous thing that I've heard Tyler Baker say is when
he was mocking that the father was sending the son.
When I saw that video, I was livid to think that someone's mocking that God would send
his son, or that, you know, you just go do that for me son, like God's a coward, like
God the Father's a coward.
And you automatically think of this, and we're going to be doing a live stream with Pastor
Anderson and Pastor Burzins tomorrow about the Trinity, but I have two girls and one
on the way.
I would, without a shadow of a doubt, it would be easier for me to give up my life than for
me to let one of my daughters die for somebody.
Because you have natural affection.
You're normal.
Yeah.
Well, it's just anybody that has children knows that's true.
That the love that you have to have to let your child die for somebody is the most love
you could ever give.
And I've heard people say this, and I don't mean to get into a Trinity discussion here.
Go right ahead.
But I've heard people say, well, you know, the Bible says no greater love hath a man
than this than that he lay down his life for his friend.
It doesn't say that he lay down his child's life.
I'm like, Jesus is the one that said that.
And Jesus didn't have physical children.
So you know, you got to understand that the Father, what's the most love he can show by
giving his son?
What's the most love that Jesus could do?
Giving himself.
Obeying that, yeah.
And it's stupid stuff like that.
But I'd say that's the most blasphemous thing that I've heard in my other mouth.
So yeah, there are devils.
And I hate modalism.
So I don't know if it's the number one false doctrine, but it's up there.
That's on your hate list.
And in fact, you just gave me a pretty good segue, because I wanted to ask you that question
about your most hated false doctrine.
For me, it probably is modalism, but to be honest with you, it's something that changes
some weeks.
I hate other false doctrines more than other weeks.
It's kind of like my list of favorite pastors.
It constantly changes depending on a sermon, the last sermon I heard, to be perfectly honest
with you.
But Pastor Robinson, what is it?
For me, modalism, for example, if somebody tells me they're a oneness, they're essentially
saying in my estimation, they don't believe Jesus is God because of its attack on the
eternal sonship of Christ.
But is there anything, Pastor Robinson, you would point to and say, that by far is my
most hated false doctrine?
Is there anything you could point to and say, this one gets me fuming smoke out of my ears
more than any other one?
Anything else?
How would you answer that?
I mean, top of the head, Calvinism.
I hate Calvinism.
It's a good one.
It's a good pick.
I mean, dispensationalism is up there and all that stuff.
But Calvinism, just, I hate it.
One of the big things about Calvinism is that it's close to the truth.
And so those are the ones that I hate the most are the ones that are like the counterfeits.
And Calvinism is pretty much the counterfeit to what we believe.
It's got the same points that we believe, but it's always bastardized.
And so, yeah, I really, really hate Calvinism.
But yeah, I mean, obviously Zionism and dispensationalism, that's up there too.
And modalism, probably more so now, but see, here's the thing, modalism didn't used to
be a big thing.
You know what I mean?
Like, so it's kind of rising up in the ranks of me hating it.
But it wasn't always a thing.
But yeah, I agree with you.
When it comes to modalism, listen, they believe in a different God.
That's right.
And I remember asking one of these guys, I said, when you look up in heaven, what do
you see?
When you look at God, what would you see?
And they'd say, I'd see one person.
Like then that's where we disagree.
You have a different God because you at least see the Father and then the Son sitting at
the right hand of the Father.
I mean, if you were going to just go off biblical basis, right?
But obviously you're going to see three because you have the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
And yeah, it's a different God.
And so it's a big deal.
It's not semantics.
It's not something that like, oh, these people are just confused.
There are people that get sucked into it that are confused.
But people that are preaching this stuff, like Tyler Baker, no, he's not confused.
He's the devil.
Got to agree 100% with that.
Regarding Calvinism, you know, it teaches that Jesus didn't die for everyone.
It's kind of a backdoor work salvation with its perseverance of the saints doctrine, the
idea that if you really are saved, you will persevere to the end in the sense that you
will continue living for God and exhibiting works until the day you die.
And if you don't have works, you were never saved to begin with.
What aspect of Calvinism is the worst of the Tulip doctrine?
Would you say if you had to pick one?
I would say the limited Atonement is the one I hate the most just because it's blaspheming
what Jesus did.
I mean, Jesus died for everyone.
He's the savior of all men, especially of those that believe.
And so I hate that one because it attacks my savior so much.
But obviously I hate the perseverance of the saints with a passion because, and James White
actually just came out and admitted, he's like, perseverance of the saints is not eternal
security.
He actually said that before I got on there, I believe before I jumped on his program,
he just basically flat out said, he's like, they're right, we do not believe the same
on that.
I'm like, at least you're honest about being deceitful.
So the perseverance of the saints, I hate that one because it's so muddy and it creeps
in the Baptist churches because this is where you get the people that are saying, well,
faith is going to produce works, therefore that's my way of knowing whether you're saved.
And it's just this back door work, salvation.
And it's almost, well, and it's, this is the metric because how far do people take that?
You've got to be like, okay, so let's say someone gets saved, but then they never come
to church, never do this or that, or they still go into heaven.
And some people will be like, well, no, like, well, then you believe it works, you know,
but then they'll be saying, well, no, I'm not saying that I just wouldn't know that
they're saved.
It's like, okay, well, then maybe you're okay.
You're just looking at the wrong things as far as how he knows whether someone's saved.
Right.
And so, yeah, I hate, I hate that doctrine.
I hate every point of that total doctrine, right?
All means all.
So when the Bible says all things become new, it's not some things, therefore, if it's a
reference to the flesh, then everyone who gets saved must then be sinlessly perfect.
So clearly it's talking about the new man.
Right.
You would agree with that, Pastor?
Yeah, exactly.
And I think that's a huge problem that Calvinists, first of all, they don't understand the reprobate
doctrine and the old man, new man doctrine are the key to destroying Calvinism.
Because the reprobate doctrine will answer all those passages where they're trying to
say people are totally depraved and that they cannot believe.
It's like, obviously, we believe there are people that cannot believe, but they're reprobate
and they didn't start off that way.
The other key is, like you said, with the old man, new man, and the fact that, you know,
we have the new man that has no sin, the soul that's sinless, and then we have the flesh
that does sin, and it's our choice daily whether we're going to walk in the new man or walk
in the old man.
And that honestly answers everything if you understand those two concepts that are in
the Bible.
Well, Pastor Robinson, I want to thank you very much for being generous with your time.
There's a question out of the chat room I wanted to ask real quick before we wrap this
thing up.
It's a question I also asked on a recent edition of The Week in Review, and it comes from J.
J.
Black.
When you're talking about family time and whether or not you set aside family time to
make sure you're spending that time with your wife and children, I'm going to assume the
answer to that is yes.
I'm going to change it a little bit and ask about the importance of setting aside time
to spend with your family despite your busy schedule.
Talk about that a little bit.
Yeah, I think that's huge, especially since, because I work full-time on top of pastoring,
and so it's a huge thing.
Obviously, I'd love to go soul-winding more.
I'd love to do more than I am doing, but the family needs a big priority.
Honestly, I've told my church this, and they know this, and I'm not neglecting the church,
but my family comes first when it comes to this, because if my family fails, then the
church fails, meaning that if my family fails, then I'm not qualified to be a pastor.
When I say family first, it's like saying God first, but then your wife next.
It's not like I'm saying all the church is way down on the list.
It's just the fact that I need to make sure my house is in order at all times.
I do make a point, and we're all guilty of this, I'm sure, but when I come home from
work that I just put everything down and I try to spend time with the family.
It's a time where I'm not on my phone and trying to get away from whether work or church
related things, because my kids need dad.
They need dada there to just have fun and to be kids and to have that family time and
not everything be about church and not everything be about work.
So I think that's very important.
We're in survival mode right now when it comes to our kids, meaning that we just try
to get as much time as we can, especially with Holly and I as husband and wife.
But we're going to have another one this coming July 1st, just a due date for our next child,
and it's going to be another girl, so the emotions will be high in our house.
But all that to say is that with all the toddlers and stuff like that, it's definitely busy,
so you just have to make time.
Well it was a pleasure to get this chance to talk to you.
Thank you for coming on here and being the highlighted pastor on this eighth edition
of the Preacher Profile series.
You have a live stream coming up tomorrow night about the Oneness Heresy.
We touched on that tonight on this live stream, but is there anything you want to plug to
the audience before I go ahead and close the show?
Anything at all you want them to go and check out that you'll be a part of?
So I'm going to be out in Washington March 8th, I'm going to be preaching at Schur Foundation
Baptist Church, and Brother Gallagher's putting together Upon the Circle of the Earth, and
so I'm actually going out there to preach and do an interview with him on that.
So by the way, I'm not a flat earther.
That's good.
If anybody was wondering, no, obviously I believe the earth is a sphere.
But yeah.
You want to talk about retarded doctrine, flatter.
As an engineer, it must make you go even more insane.
You put out a really good video debunking it, by the way, a few months ago when Tyler
Idiot Doka came out with it.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Yeah, that was just frustration where I was just like, I got to say something.
I can't hold it in.
But yeah, so that's coming up.
I'm going to be out there.
But that film I think will be great.
Can't wait for it.
Yeah, it's sad that the film needs to be made, but I think it's needed.
Anything like that.
And then the live stream tomorrow is at 8 p.m.?
Yeah, 8 p.m. tomorrow, Eastern Time.
And I'll be hosting it on my channel, it's on the Mountain Baptist channel.
And so if you want to check that out, Pastor Anderson and Pastor Bergen's, actually Brother
Bruce Mejia was supposed to come, but he can't make it.
So it's going to be Pastor Anderson, Pastor Bergen's.
One big thing that I want to get out to people was that Pastor Anderson never believed in
oneness.
And I know that he said that, but I know Pastor Bergen has known him longer than I have, and
I've known him pretty long, to know that this has never been a thing.
And so no one has changed doctrines on this, but it's pertinent that we need to go through
that type of discussion with Trinity and this oneness stuff.
He actually explicitly preached against it, and Jeff Utzler's documentary shows footage
of that Pastor Anderson very clearly preaching against oneness in 2015, I believe it was.
So that was two years before Tyler Baker was exposed as a heretic.
Pastor Robinson, anything else you want to say?
No, just thanks for having me on.
And yeah, it was fun.
Definitely.
Thank you for your time.
I appreciate it.
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