You know, even after I got saved and I just kind of wondered, what's my purpose in life?
And once I started soul winning, I was like, man, this is why I'm here.
It all makes sense now. This is our purpose, is to get people saved.
And you know, we ought to have stories that we can pass down to our kids.
We ought to take them soul winning.
We ought to have some stories we can pass down to our kids.
I remember when I was a kid and, you know, my dad would always talk about sports
because that's what I liked and that's what, you know, he had really partaken in.
He had played sports and I would just hear the stories about my dad, my granddad.
And as a kid, I just sat there listening to every single word.
I was excited about it. I was interested in about it.
My dad would just tell stories for hours and I was just listening to him about it.
You know, would to God we would have stories about soul winning that we could pass down
and get our kids excited about something that really matters,
something that's life changing and tell them stories about the great works that they've seen,
the people you've gotten saved, the great works that have been done
as a part of this church and the soul winning that's taken place.
We ought to have works of the Lord when it partakes to soul winning.
We need to be a soul winner and we need to have stories to pass down with friends.
We need to be out there preaching the gospel.
Brother Matthew Stuckey is a Verity Baptist Church staff member,
a Bible preacher and a soul winner who was born on October 14, 1984.
Brother Stuckey grew up in Bridgeport, West Virginia
and he ended up at Verity Baptist Church in September 2015.
But his journey didn't end there.
He quickly set his sights on the ministry and after visiting the Philippines in 2014,
Brother Stuckey is scheduled to start a satellite church in Manila very soon.
He isn't subverting the word of God.
He isn't taking the easy road to a leadership position.
He's doing it the right way.
He's leaving his home behind to acquiesce to God's plan for his life.
Brother Stuckey is the very definition of faithful
and he's my next guest on this edition of the Preacher Profile Interview Series.
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome
Brother Matthew Stuckey of Verity Baptist Church.
Hello everyone and welcome to another edition of the Preacher Profile Series.
My name is Ben the Baptist and I'm the man behind the YouTube channel,
youtube.com slash Ben the Baptist.
It's going to be a very special edition of this video podcast.
I'm joined by the man from Verity Baptist Church.
Some of you know who this is, Brother Matthew Stuckey.
He was kind enough to join me on this episode of the show
and I really look forward to getting a chance to speak to him.
Brother Stuckey, thank you so much for your time.
I know you've got a lot going on, but you made it here on Preacher Profile.
You are the next preacher that I'm featuring on this series.
I finally made it to the big time.
You made it to the big time.
I really appreciate you having me on here tonight.
You know, it's my pleasure and I was saying this off the air.
I've listened to your preaching for a while now
and I like the distinct style that you bring.
I certainly appreciate the way that you preach the Word of God.
I wanted to start things off like I usually do,
by going to the beginning of your timeline here.
Let's talk about how you found out about Verity Baptist Church.
And you know what?
I'm going to say this.
Thank God that you found out about what's going on with you today
and all the great work you've done in the ministry
and what you plan on doing here in the very near future.
Brother Stuckey, I've seen old video of you courtesy of Brother Fanon
at Ron Paul rallies.
And you were in a completely different world before.
But now, like I said, doing some great work in the ministry.
But how did you transition?
How did you end up finding out about Verity Baptist Church
and getting involved with the new IFB movement?
Well, I've known Pastor Mendez actually before he was a pastor
by about five years probably.
Maybe a little less than that.
But I kind of met him through Pastor Anderson.
And so when I got married,
because I was at Faithful Word for a couple of years.
And as a single guy, I had a lot of good soul-winding friends back east.
You know, Brother Richard Simes, Pastor Jason Robinson.
And being a single guy, I figured I can listen to sermons online.
I ended up moving back and still go soul-winding.
But then once you get married, it kind of puts you in a different place.
It's easy as a single guy.
You can serve God.
You have all the time.
But I was just saying when I got married,
you know, the church I went to was a decent church.
But, you know, I mean, it was an independent Baptist soul-winding.
But, you know, a lot of the ladies were talking to my wife and saying how,
oh, you've got a nursing background.
That's great.
You know, you can find work here really quickly and everything.
And they were trying to be nice,
but they certainly weren't helping me out, you know, being newly married.
And so I realized very clearly I got to set a date on moving and pick a church.
And there was less churches at the time.
But, you know, I had saved up some money.
So we visited all four churches.
And I kind of just went to where I thought my wife would fit in the best.
And I had visited Verity a few times.
So I definitely love Pastor Mendez's preaching.
And I really felt like he could help train me for the ministry.
But I was really looking at, you know, where do I think my wife's going to fit in?
And she had a friend at the church that she knew in the Philippines.
So it's just a really good transition.
And it definitely worked out.
I definitely think God led me because I think any of these churches,
you're blessed to be at them.
But I definitely think God can lead you in certain directions.
And I definitely think he led us out here.
So I'm definitely thankful for that.
The reason why I like to start off with questions like this
is because I find it interesting to see,
no matter who it is that I'm interviewing,
the journey they've taken to get to where they're at today.
And for those of you who don't know,
Brother Stuckey is going to be heading out to the Philippines.
And, you know, we're going to get to this a little bit later on.
But there are people in the Philippines who know he's coming.
Some false prophets who are issuing, quote,
warnings about Brother Stuckey and his ministry.
And that should be lots of fun.
But like I said, we'll get to that a little bit later.
Now, when did you realize
that you wanted to be more than just a regular church member?
You know, I think honestly, when I was 19 years old,
it was less than a year after I got saved.
And, you know, the church I was going to,
they weren't even King James only.
They were a Baptist church.
And at the time, the only thing that mattered to me
was eternal security,
because I just didn't know as much at the time.
And so we went to the church and it was kind of
a non-denominational type atmosphere
with music and stuff like that.
But, you know, I told the pastor and, you know,
he gave me an opportunity to preach.
I remember my freshman year of college,
I'd been saved because I got saved as a freshman in college.
And it was at a movie theater.
So the first sermon I ever preached,
I'm looking up at everybody and everyone's like 15 rows back.
It's like, man, it's intimidating enough preaching
when you have an elevated platform.
And so that's the first time I had a desire to be a preacher.
But honestly, I didn't know about,
I thought about going to Bible college,
but I was like, well, I don't even know which one to go to.
I didn't really know what the process was.
And, you know, thankfully the church I was at,
the pastor actually suggested to me
to get a college degree first.
You know, so it's something I could fall back on
because, you know, I was excited and zealous.
I might've just jumped into some seminary
or Bible college or something,
put myself in a bad situation.
But I would say when I was 19 years old,
I just, you know, I kind of felt like I reached,
found the meaning of life, you know,
which obviously what we're doing,
it is the meaning of life to not only get saved,
but lead people to the Lord.
And I didn't really understand soul wanting
as much at the time I was trying.
And I was just like, man, I want to do this permanently.
So that's the first time I think I had a desire.
And it's been in a lot of ups and downs
because honestly there've been times
when I changed kind of my mind
and you go through uptimes and downtimes
and everything like that.
And, you know, I think you gotta just be diligent
to fight through it because you're gonna have ups
and downs in the Christian life.
And, you know, if you're gonna go into the ministry
because, oh, wow, I really enjoy it.
I mean, you're gonna have times where you're like Elijah
or Moses or whomever,
you don't have times where you don't feel
like doing it anymore.
So, but I would say when I was 19 years old,
as a freshman in college, it was the first time
I really felt like God laid a burden on my heart.
And I was like, man, this is what I want to do.
I think you hit the nail on the head right there.
There are gonna be times,
even if you're not somebody that wants to be a pastor
or a missionary or an evangelist or something like that,
where just in the Christian life in general,
where you might, the flesh might say,
well, you know, I'm getting persecuted.
It's just a lot of hard work
and trying to live for God and walk in the spirit.
Maybe this isn't worth it.
You know, that thought might creep into your mind,
especially if you're going to, you know,
try and become a pastor or a missionary
and get in the ministry,
where that thought might creep in your mind.
Is this really worth it?
Because Brother Stuckey, I'm sure you can attest to this.
It's a lot of work.
Right.
Yeah, I mean, you got to just decide,
I'm going to stay up late,
wake up early to do my Bible reading,
do my memorization to do what I need to do.
And I think a lot of people are excited to do it.
But then once you see how much work it is,
you know, a lot of people change their mind.
And I had a lot of friends in college who,
you know, they went soloing all the time.
Once they got out of college, they stopped.
And I think it's just because, you know,
they had a really busy schedule
and they just kind of decided,
well, my priorities aren't just, you know,
being fully set on the ministry and soloing all the time.
So they just kind of became just regular church members.
Because, you know, if you're in the Christian life,
there's never a moment where there's not more you can do.
We're unprofitable servants in the end.
We can always read the Bible more.
We can always memorize more.
We can always pray more, go soloing more.
So it's kind of intimidating.
There was something you said in your sermon
from this past Red Hot Preaching Conference,
where you talked about how if you see a sermon,
if you're scrolling through YouTube
and you see a sermon about a topic
that you already are very well versed in,
for example, we use the sodomites, right?
I mean, to me, and I love listening
to preaching against homos, don't get me wrong.
I look at that as kind of like the junk food.
We all love eating burgers.
I like to have my Oreos and milk,
even though I saw some article somewhere
that said it gives you cancer or something like that.
Whatever.
If I perish, I perish.
I saw somebody put that on Facebook.
Anyway, my point is it's kind of like the junk food.
You know, you like it.
It's fun to eat, et cetera.
But then the sermons about, you know,
the Old Covenant versus the New Covenant,
those doctrinal sermons.
That's your vegetables.
Those are the greens that you should be eating.
Can you speak to the kind of preaching
that you believe is most profitable for you as a listener?
What kind of sermons do you like to listen to?
Because obviously we've all learned from somebody.
Right.
So I like sermons where I'm going to learn something.
That's like the main thing.
I'll say this, that because there's this balance
of going in depth.
You know, you can talk about end time stuff all the time,
or just the basics like soul winning, salvation,
and stuff like that.
But you know, you can go in depth on the basics.
You know, you can write sermons on salvation
that are not boring.
You know, I've heard Pastor Mendez preach sermons
just, you know, where he's talking about soul winning.
And I'm thinking, man, I've never thought of that example.
It really impacts you.
And I think that's kind of the,
that's a really important thing to try to strive for
as a preacher, because you got to keep teaching
the same old things.
But you don't want to just always go to, you know,
Act 16 to talk about salvation.
You want to go to a lot of different places.
So I like sermons where I can either learn something
kind of new or learn a little bit better
how to explain things I know.
You know, like if somebody gives a nice little nugget
on explaining, you know, why we're post-trib
or something like that, you know, that it will help me
that I can teach other people.
I really like stuff like that.
So I really like to learn.
Because honestly, you know, it's just some people have jobs
where they can just listen to sermons all day.
But most of us, that's not the case.
And so when I see a sermon on the sodomites, for example,
that's like the last sermon I'm going to listen to.
Not that it doesn't need to be preached.
I mean, obviously in the world we live in,
we need to preach on that.
We need to preach the whole council.
But you know, my main goal is to learn something.
And so, you know, if somebody preached a sermon
and I learned something, I'm like, man, that was awesome.
Because that's my main goal.
Because in the old IFB, you pretty much resigned yourself
to not learning anything.
You literally learn like nothing in the sermons.
I mean, how many Sundays you just sit through the pews
and you learn zero.
I mean, it's embarrassing.
And it's like that ought not to be the way it is
because the Bible is so in depth that if anybody
who's spirit-filled and has read the Bible a few times,
if they really put their heart and soul into a sermon,
I should be able to learn something
or learn how to better explain something
or get edified in some way.
You know, a friend of mine, Jacksonville Joe,
he told me, he heard from an old IFB pastor
that if you want to learn actual doctrine,
you got to go to Bible college.
That's what he said to him.
And so that's the mentality.
I mean, that's their mentality, brother Stuckey,
is that church is not meant for actually learning things,
but rather just to regurgitate the very basics.
But I appreciate what you said there,
about the fact that we can,
or that the preachers in our movement,
they can preach sermons about the basics,
but go in depth on them
and you actually end up learning something new.
Right.
How did you develop your style though, brother Stuckey?
Because you, like a lot of the preachers
I've spoken to on this program, have a distinct style.
If I'm listening to brother Stuckey,
I know I'm listening to brother Matthew Stuckey.
You're not trying to imitate and be somebody else.
How'd you develop that?
I'll say this, when I first started preaching,
I tried to mimic pastor Anderson.
When I first started listening to his preaching,
it's kind of like when someone first goes soul winning.
The best way to start is have a good soul winning demonstration
and you just try to mimic it.
But if you're going to become a really good soul winner,
you have to end up making it your own.
You don't want to just be a robot repeating stuff.
And so when I first started,
I was really trying to imitate him,
maybe not consciously,
but I think that's what I was doing.
But obviously I learned a lot.
It was still good.
He obviously is a great teacher.
But then I started just kind of writing my own sermons
and there's more preachers in the movement.
So I kind of took things here and there that I learned.
And one way I got a lot of practice is,
this might sound crazy,
but in West Virginia when I drove,
I would just preach while I drove.
I would just have a sermon in my mind
and I was just thinking about how to explain it.
And honestly, I recommend to people that have trouble
being dynamic behind the pulpit.
That's how I learned to actually cry aloud.
And so I would just kind of preach while I drove,
just a short little 10-minute thing while I'm driving
and just for practice.
And sometimes even in West Virginia,
there's places where you're in the woods,
there's nobody for miles
and you can honestly just kind of practice the sermon.
And so I just kind of tried to practice as much as I could.
And at my church in West Virginia,
I got to preach every week.
I preached at junior church.
And so I got to really just get a lot of practice.
But over these last several years being at Verity,
I've definitely changed my preaching a lot.
I've definitely learned a lot from Pastor Venice.
And I think he mentions a lot of times in sermons
that every sermon that there's a reproving and a rebuking,
but there should also be an exhortation in every sermon.
All three of those should be in every sermon.
Not just, well, this is a sermon where we reprove,
but you kind of end with some sort of exhortation
so we can take that sermon and do something with it.
And obviously, we don't believe in the altar call.
But the one thing that the altar call's goal is
is to drive you to one moment to kind of make a decision.
And I don't think that's necessarily bad.
I mean, the altar call itself is bad.
It's not biblical.
But it is good to have something to take away from a sermon
that you're thinking about in your head.
And so that's something I really learned
is to not just have good content,
but actually end with a real conclusion.
It's not just like some sort of movie
where all of a sudden it's the end,
and you're like, what just happened?
You actually have something that you can take away from it
to do with it.
And you quickly learn once you've done it a few times
that it's not just about getting behind the pulpit
and yelling about a false prophet,
although there obviously is room for that
and smacking the pulpit and doing that sort of thing.
But I think a well-rounded preacher,
and you could obviously get your,
I wanna get your input on this.
A well-rounded preacher can teach the Bible,
but has multiple styles in doing so,
so that you can have,
obviously you have your sermons
where you're getting up there
and you're ripping face on sin,
you're ripping a face on the Sodomites.
But Brother Stuckey, how important is it
to not be a one-trick pony
and to be able to do more than just the preaching
against the false prophets?
Yeah, I think your preaching,
especially if you're a pastor,
it's gonna start getting really boring
to the members of your church.
And I mean, honestly, if every single sermon,
you know, Brother Fannin or Pastor Venice
just preached about one false prophet after another,
it would get old to almost everybody there.
You need to have all kinds of different types of sermons.
And honestly, when I think of my preaching,
sermons that I like the most
are not the ones that get the most views on YouTube.
They're not the ones I'm really yelling,
but I'm just kind of teaching something
and explaining something that I really learned.
And so you have to have the balance, obviously.
If you're preaching against Calvinism,
you gotta get up there and cry aloud
and talk about the wickedness.
There's also sermons
where you're just kind of explaining passages.
And if you're explaining a passage,
you don't wanna necessarily just get up there
and scream while you're doing it.
You wanna show them and kind of explain and just...
Yeah, I definitely think being well-rounded
is one thing to think about is it's a spiritual fight,
but if you're thinking of an actual fight,
a good fighter is gonna be well-rounded.
He's not just gonna be good at one thing.
If he's only good at one thing,
he's not gonna be much of a fighter.
So I think it's the same thing with preaching.
We need to be well-rounded.
I agree with you.
And your sermon topics tend to be different
in a sense that...
I'll listen to one of your sermons and go,
man, how did he come up with that idea?
That's a cool idea.
So I'm gonna ask you now that I'm talking to you one-on-one,
how do you come up with your sermon ideas?
I would say that when I'm in a good pattern
of really memorizing the Bible,
half the sermons come from something
that I was memorizing the passage
and it really just spoke to me.
Like my last sermon, I was from the book of Joel.
And for whatever reason, I didn't finish it,
but I started memorizing Joel 1 when I was on the plane
and I just saw stuff I never saw before.
And my goal is not to preach something new
or different because it's still the same old truths.
I didn't preach anything weird or different
or anything like that.
I was just preaching on how to reach the next generation,
pass this on to our kids, stuff we've all heard before.
But that's going back to explaining something
in a different kind of way.
So oftentimes it's when I am memorizing something,
but honestly, when I listen to sermons,
sometimes I'll hear a pastor explain a verse
and never really thought about it before.
And I try to make a good habit of writing it down
and making sure I don't lose that thought
because you'll lose it if you stop thinking about it.
And I try to write sermons sometimes in advance,
so it helps me when I'm reading to kind of add to it
and stuff like that.
And who would you say, other than Pastor Roger Jimenez,
who are the top three preachers you look up to?
Man, I thought Pastor Jimenez was going to be one of those.
That makes it even tougher.
Well, obviously, Pastor Anderson is the first person
that brought me into this.
When I first started listening to Pastor Anderson,
I think it was in 2008, so it's been a long time.
I remember I came across this preaching.
I listened to a sermon of his,
Why Billy Graham is Going to Hell, just randomly on YouTube.
I was searching for false prophets and stuff like that.
And I knew Billy Graham was a false prophet,
but I didn't start listening to his preaching.
It was just kind of like one sermon and that was it.
But then I ran across this question on Google.
I was reading my Bible and I saw an exclamation point.
And so I was kind of curious,
well, how many exclamation points are there in the Bible?
And someone said, well, the King James is famous
for having no punctuation.
And I'm looking at an exclamation point.
I'm like, well, obviously, that's not the case.
And Pastor Anderson actually answered that question
in his Bible forum, and he had a link to his website.
And so I went to his website.
I was already an independent fungal Baptist.
I had already fought the repentance fight.
So I already knew worship salvation and repentance of sins
was work salvation.
So the first sermon I listened to was John 3,
because I wanted to make sure that he's even saved.
And so I listened to it and I thought, man,
I know John 3 really well, like the back of my hand.
And then when he preached it,
there's a lot of stuff I learned.
And I just kind of got hooked after that
because I really learned a lot in the sermons.
And obviously when he first started preaching
on the sodomites, I thought it was a little bit much
because you get brainwashed by the world.
But I learned a lot from his sermons
and obviously he's a big inspiration.
I would look at Pastor Romero.
He's definitely someone I would mention.
And one thing I really like about Pastor Romero
is that he's not afraid to preach something different
than the other pastors in our movement.
If he has a verse where he has a different opinion,
he's not afraid to preach that.
And I like that because sometimes on some of the things
he's preached, I agree with what he says,
even though it's an alternative view.
But as a pastor, we're local independent churches.
We're a movement and I like that.
I'm not against that.
I'm for that.
But at the end of the day, we're independent churches.
It's not like you have to worry about,
uh-oh, if I preach this sermon,
so-and-so is going to be mad at me.
And so that's one thing I really like about Pastor Romero,
but he's just an incredibly friendly guy.
And I think that's one big reason
why he's had so much success.
He's just a really friendly guy.
And I'm kind of biased, but I'll add Pastor Jason Robinson
because obviously we've been friends for a really long time.
And I've known him before.
We roomed together as sophomores in college,
so I've known him for a really long time.
But I'm really impressed with how much he knows the Bible.
And even me, knowing Jason for a long time
and talking to him about the Bible,
because I talk to him all the time about it.
I've listened to his preaching and I'm like,
wow, I'm learning a lot.
And I can tell he's read the Bible
even more than I even realized.
So I think he's doing a great job in West Virginia.
I'm looking forward to seeing how that church grows
through the years.
Amen to that.
I think all three of the men you mentioned there
certainly deserve to be mentioned.
With regard to Pastor Romero specifically,
I can tell you that, yes, he is not afraid
of preaching what he believes,
whether or not it's what everyone else does.
And I will say this.
There have been times where I've given him a call
because, like you said, there are certain passages
where maybe he has a different take on it.
And I've talked to him on the phone.
I said, hey, I've heard that you preach this
kind of differently than I've heard it before.
Can I talk to you about it?
I'm interested to get your interpretation on it.
And I'll come away from the conversation saying,
man, I think he's right.
How did he see that?
That's amazing.
So it's good though.
And what you mentioned is also correct in the sense that,
hey, we're independent Baptists
and we shouldn't be afraid to have,
obviously, no one should be preaching heresy.
But if somebody has a different view on James 2
or Hebrew 6, something like that,
that's slightly different than what you would hear
at other churches in our movement,
it shouldn't cause an uproar.
And it doesn't because we understand the I and IFB.
Right.
And recently, I don't remember what sermon it was,
but I mentioned how you could have two pastors
and they have a doctrine they believe
just as strongly as one another,
like the reprobate doctrine.
But one pastor could look at Hebrew 6 and say,
I just don't think that's the time
about the reprobate doctrine.
That doesn't mean that they believe in it less
than the other pastor.
It's just they don't think that verse is referring to that.
So, I mean, when you look at the pastors in our movement,
by and large on every key doctrine,
they're in full agreement.
They might not agree on every single verse,
but I think we're all going to get to heaven one day
and realize we were wrong on some of our interpretations.
I mean, the Bible is really in depth
and obviously we know stuff like the Bible says
immediately after the tribulation,
but do we understand everything in the end times?
There's probably a lot of stuff that we're confident in
and we may be just are misinterpreting
some verses here or there, so.
And you know what else?
I mean, that comes to mind is Romans chapter 11,
all Israel shall be saved.
I've heard pastors in our movement
have differing kind of views on that,
but you know what they're all in agreement on?
That it's not saying the Jews are going to automatically
be saved when they say Jesus.
And I think that's the key,
that we agree on the fundamentals.
It's just that there might be certain things
where there's some differing interpretations.
Now I want to talk to you about the Philippines.
This is a new era and I'm interested to know,
when did you realize that you have a heart for that nation
and that you wanted to do something there for the Lord?
When I was growing up, I wasn't necessarily someone
who was, I don't know, traveling a lot and stuff.
I went to a few countries, but I was really into soccer
and I always thought different national anthems were cool
and flags and stuff.
So I'm not really surprised that later on,
God touched my heart to go to a foreign country
because I was always kind of interested in different cultures
and things like that.
And when I visited there in 2014 in September, I believe,
and I'd been talking to my wife for long distance for a while
and I decided to visit the country and everything.
And once I visited, just seeing how receptive people were,
I mean, it was amazing because I remember just telling her,
you know, we're going to go out today.
I said, God's going to give us an opportunity
to preach the gospel to someone.
And there'd just be like one random person there,
just like 30 minutes ahead of time.
Then we talked to them and they'd end up getting saved.
And I definitely think he kind of touched my heart
when I was on that trip.
I wasn't a hundred percent for sure
that I was going to go there at the time,
but just everything's just kind of lined up in that way.
It's just kind of obvious to me
that's where God wanted me to go.
And I was off Facebook for a long time
just because I wanted to work on my own personal life
and my own spiritual growth and everything.
And when I was off though,
my friend brother Richard Stimes who was in the Philippines,
he would just message me all the time
about people that were excited
about the potential of a church in the Philippines.
It just kind of showed me
that that's where God was leaving me.
And so I told Pastor Mez when we moved to Verity
that I was seriously considering going to the Philippines
is where I would want to start a church.
My plan was to go there and start from scratch
and work a full-time job
in addition to starting a new church
when I was qualified as a pastor
because obviously the evangelism thing
was kind of a new thing for moving here
in the last few years.
And so my plan was to work a full-time job
and just start from scratch like the other pastors did.
I had no idea that there would be a market.
So it wasn't that there's a lot of people there.
It's just kind of where God led me.
And then all of a sudden I found out, wow,
there's a lot of people actually waiting
for a church like this.
Now, how is the soul winning there?
It's incredibly receptive.
Not only is it incredibly receptive,
but there's just so many people.
I mean, I always want to have a door-to-door ministry
because I want to reach every single house in an area.
But you could honestly just stay at a park all the time.
We had like 100 soul winners
or 80 soul winners in the park
in Luneta or Rizal Park in the Philippines.
And we didn't overstep each other
because it's like a mile wide
and there's just so many people.
So there's so many people and so many opportunities.
And you can obviously, you can preach in schools,
which is different than here in America.
You can preach pretty much everywhere.
So there's a lot more opportunities.
So I would say they're more receptive.
I will say that for Americans going to the Philippines,
they need to kind of slow down a little bit
because the accents are new.
And they have to realize that the person they're talking to
would pray with them two minutes into the conversation,
probably, even if they didn't explain anything.
Because just because they're respectful
and stuff like that,
and they're generally pretty religious.
And so people need to be careful when they go there
not to just try to get a big number
because you'll get a big number by doing it right.
But people can get big numbers there
without actually explaining the gospel.
And so I haven't seen that problem
with the people in the Philippines,
the people that I know that are doing a good job.
But obviously, when you see the joke of soul
when you're going on at Great Harvest Baptist
and that sort of mockery,
I don't want to ever see that atmosphere come.
It's not a competition for me to get more saved than you.
I mean, the person that we're talking to,
we need to make sure we do a good job
and not just try to be able to report some big number,
which is what a lot of churches do.
Not just heretical churches like their church,
but just run-of-the-mill IFB churches.
They do that with their altar calls and stuff like that.
It's just a joke.
It's not just an innocuous number.
It's a soul.
It's a real-life soul.
And I think we ought to treat them as such.
What's the timetable, Brother Stuckey,
on you going there?
What city are you going to be in?
Describe where you're moving to.
Well, we're moving in, as of now,
pretty much a week from now.
We're going to be at the San Francisco airport
a week and a couple of hours.
And we've got an Airbnb for a couple of weeks.
I don't know if you're familiar with Airbnb,
where people will rent out an apartment or a condo.
So we've got that for a couple of weeks.
And we're going to look at month-by-month apartments
because we're staying at a hotel for our church services
for the first couple of months.
But obviously, that's not ideal long-term.
It's just kind of the temporary thing.
We had guys there looking at buildings and stuff,
but it was just a lot of work,
and it would just be easier for me to be there
and get used to the area.
So we're going to look for a month-by-month apartment
until we can really lock down
where we want to have the church
because I'd like to be pretty close to the church.
I don't want it to be super far away,
especially because you're getting used to a new country
and with directions and everything,
it can be kind of confusing.
So we're going to look for something
that's kind of month-by-month
until we kind of lock down.
But we're going to be starting very close to Resolve Park
or Luneta Park,
which anyone from the Philippines can know where that is.
It's a huge tourist spot.
And then we'll be in Metro Manila,
but we're not positive where.
It kind of depends on where we can find a building
and the prices and things like that.
And we're not sure how many people
are going to be showing up for the first services.
You know, there's going to definitely be some people,
but a lot of people have emailed with interest,
so we could end up having more than we expect.
We might not, I'm not really sure.
So it makes sense not to try to have a building ahead of time
when we don't know how many people are going to be there.
It kind of makes sense to kind of wait a little while,
find out a rough number of people
that are going to be a part of the church,
and then look for a building once we get down there.
Now, before you move there,
what was the longest stint you've had
up to this point in the Philippines?
Like a trip that you've taken.
How long have you been there?
I think just a week is the longest I've been there.
So I've been there a couple times
and a week's the longest I've been,
but I do like the, I'm a pretty simple guy
and I like the idea of not having a car,
less responsibilities in that way,
and just getting public transportation.
I know a lot of people don't like that,
but you could ask my wife
and I'll just kind of go out sometimes
for a walk for a couple hours
and, you know, I find it entertaining.
I'm just, you know, memorizing the Bible,
we're doing whatever.
And so it's not the lifestyle for everyone,
but I like that simple sort of lifestyle.
And no, honestly, there's a lot in the Philippines.
They've got amusement parks
and pretty much everything we have here,
but I just kind of like the atmosphere.
I love the warm weather.
I hate cold weather.
Can't stand it whatsoever.
There's a lot of things I like about it.
Yeah, it's awful.
There was something though in the Philippines.
We went to, I think it was Ocean Park,
might've been the name of it.
I'd have to ask my wife,
but they have this one indoor room
where they have snow coming down
and it's like really cold
and they have real penguins in there.
And so when I visited the Philippines in 2014,
you know, you see everybody lining up
and everyone was so excited to put on winter coats
like that they gave them to go in and everything
because nobody owns winter coats.
Everyone's so excited and I'm thinking,
man, I'm on vacation.
I'm on vacation from West Virginia
and then now I'm going in here and seeing snow.
I was like, this is the last thing
because there's no Congress within this.
Now, obviously, you know,
the Philippines is different than the United States,
I would think.
Do you anticipate there being an adjustment period for you?
I mean, you're moving there.
And the reason why I asked the question prior to this
about how long you've been there during any given trip
is because if the longest you've been there was one week,
I would think moving there means
you're gonna have to make some adjustments.
Are you anticipating that, looking forward to that,
or are you a little bit worried about adjusting
to this brand new nation so far away?
Well, I'd say this, that anytime you do anything big,
there's kind of a mix of emotions.
You know, you'll have a mix of some excitement,
some fear, some happiness, some sadness.
So if I was honest, I'd say I have a mix
of a ton of different emotions right now.
And I think anytime you're stepping out in the water for God,
you're gonna have a mix of different emotions.
So I definitely enjoyed when I was down there,
but I definitely think there's gonna be
an adjustment time period.
Obviously, it's a new culture and things like that.
Since my wife is from the Philippines, though,
I've definitely made some of those adjustments
before I've even gone down there,
just start to understand their culture better,
watch tons of documentaries.
I know that's not the same thing,
but just to try to get an idea, you know,
and everything like that.
So I definitely think there's gonna be an adjustment,
but I'm definitely looking forward to it.
I'm definitely excited about it.
I think it's where God's leading me
and Pastor Mendez even preached yesterday
in a sermon about how when you start,
it's gonna be exciting,
but once the excitement wears away,
you gotta find God in the still small voice.
So it's gonna be exciting, I think,
when we first go down there.
There's a group of guys that,
you know, a group of people
that are already looking forward to the church.
We're gonna have soul winning,
be excited for the preaching,
but then it's gonna come down
as just kind of your normal routine
where I gotta just make sure
I'm still reading the Bible every day,
praying every day,
and just having my person walk with God.
Amen.
Now there are some false prophets there
who apparently have been tipped off
that you're coming
and that you're starting a church.
Can you talk about some of the opposition
that's waiting for you in the Philippines?
Yeah, so before I went,
I figured, you know,
I'm gonna preach a lot about Catholicism
because obviously 85% of the country's Catholic
and I'm still,
I'm sure I'm gonna preach a lot about Catholicism,
you know, more so than I would here.
But, you know, my arch enemy,
Calvinism, that's like the doctrine I hate the most.
And these are Calvinists that are attacking us,
the Bible Baptist.
And the reason why they're attacking us
is because they know they're gonna be losing new,
they're gonna be losing church members.
And they're kind of afraid of our movement
going over there
because they've been able to kind of make their own rules
because they're the best church
that those people can find out there.
And now that there's other options,
they're getting kind of mad about that
because a lot of their young guys are, you know,
saying, hey, you know,
you guys are preaching a false gospel
and stuff like that.
And they're leaving their churches
and looking forward to going to a new one.
And so their strategy was,
well, let's just tell people
this guy's a false prophet ahead of time
and it's gonna cause people to, you know,
just kind of flee from our movement.
It's doing the opposite.
I wasn't planning to fight them at all.
I wasn't planning to make videos
because honestly my life right now is pretty busy
getting, looking forward to the move.
But I was like, well,
I'll put in a little bit of extra time
to make some videos and prepare for this
so people are aware
because they're helping spread our name,
you know, all throughout the Philippines right now.
And, you know, they're attacking people
that are gonna be a part of our church
and everything, calling them devils
and false prophets and everything like that.
And it's like, well, I mean, you're helping us out.
You know, I wasn't planning to fight this fight,
but I think for the first few months,
I'm honestly gonna preach a lot about topics
related to repents of sins and Calvinism
because most of my church members
are gonna be coming out of those backgrounds.
Now, as the church goes on,
I believe most people are gonna be coming
from Catholic backgrounds.
So I'll probably start preaching a lot more
about idolatry and Mary worship
and things like that.
But at the beginning,
I'm probably gonna be preaching a lot
on the repents of sins issue,
you know, Calvinism and, you know, the basics,
which they're coming from those sorts of backgrounds.
Now, one thing I'll say also about this,
what's interesting about the Philippines
is their religious leaders
are really high up in government.
I mean, the big Bible Baptist preacher,
Benny Avante, you know,
he was a Senator in the Philippines,
but you look at some of the cults,
Eddie Villanueva, he ran for president,
you know, the leader of INC,
Iglesia Ni Cristo,
which is their big Mormon type cult
where everything happened in the Philippines
and stuff like that.
He's like the leader of,
President Duterte appointed him
the head of overseas Filipinos
because the Philippines is the country
that's more spread out
than any other country in the world.
There's like 16 or 17 countries
with a hundred thousand Filipinos living in it,
which is more than, you know,
any other country in terms of people
that were born from that country,
but they work overseas.
And so he's the head of that.
And so Apollo Kibiloy, you know,
he's friends with Duterte,
you know, he's friends with the president and stuff.
So their false prophets are really high up.
So it's kind of interesting.
I think a lot of people are afraid
to preach against them
because they're afraid what's gonna happen
to them, to be honest.
Does the thought enter your head
that there might be a threat
if you preach against these people?
So with Apollo Kibiloy,
I'm honestly not concerned at all
because I think the only way
he would really get ticked off
is if you preached about
a lot of the scandals
that are happening
and uncovered some stuff,
because honestly his followers
are so brainwashed
that it doesn't matter
what verse I show them.
You know, there's no way
they're ever gonna switch.
I think he realized that.
I don't think he's all that worried.
And honestly with all these other cults,
you know, I'm not planning
to go way overboard
on one particular religion.
So I personally think it's gonna be fine.
I'm not really too worried about it.
They go back and forth
with each other all the time.
You know, INC goes back with MCGI,
they argue.
So they put up all these videos
unloading all the scandals
one after another one,
you know, one on one side,
one on the other.
So they've kind of already
done all the work for us.
You know, people already know
about all their scandals.
So I kind of figure at this point,
if people see all their scandals
and they don't leave,
then they're not going to.
But, you know,
I've thought about doing video series
on them and just showing them
why they're wrong
on various verses,
just so my people will be aware
of how to explain stuff
and things like that.
But I'm really not too worried.
I believe God will protect you,
you know, especially if you're trying
to do work for the Lord.
And I'm gonna be smart about it too.
I'm not trying to go overboard
attacking one religion.
It's like you got to figure out
what's your battle.
It'd be like in America,
if you want to try to take down
the government.
Well, that's a stupid goal.
You know, obviously the government's
corrupt and everything like that.
But if you get too far on the inside,
you're going to end up six feet under.
You know, it's better off just,
you know, letting other people
fight that battle
and we'll focus on soul winning.
Same thing in the Philippines.
So yeah, Ephesians chapter six
makes it clear that
we are fighting a spiritual battle.
And one thing I want to talk to you
about is the fact that
depending on what region you go to,
it does appear that there is
a particular false doctrine
or false religion or cult
that has a stranglehold
over that region.
I know here in Jacksonville,
there are certainly many
repent of your sins baptists
and many oneness Pentecostals.
At least that's, you know,
the group that I've encountered most
when I go out soul winning
in more ways than one, by the way,
in terms of Pentecostals,
not just valiant,
but I'm talking the tongue talking
devil worshiping style.
And in the Philippines,
I'm interested to know,
and you kind of already touched on it,
but what is that major false religion?
Is it Calvinism?
Is it Catholicism?
What would you say is going to be
that major false doctrine
in your region
where you're starting Verity Manila?
You know, honestly,
I thought dispensationalism
was the doctrine
we'd really be focusing on
because almost all the baptist churches
are dispensational.
Like guys like Andrew Sluder
are popular in the Philippines.
So you're talking the dipsticks
in the Andrew Sluder type dipsticks,
the different gospel hyper dispensationalism?
Yeah, they're very popular
in most Baptist churches.
The only reason why the Bible Baptist
are really here now
is because they started the fight
and they've got members that are leaving.
So it seems like more good people
are coming from Calvinist backgrounds
than dispensationalism,
which is kind of interesting.
But pretty much all the Baptist churches
are Calvinist or dispensational
or somehow they're both.
Some of them, which is weird,
because usually those are polar opposites
from one another.
But you know,
I know a lot of people
that live in Metro Manila
and they look for a good church
and they can't even be confident
their pastor stayed.
Wow.
So it's pretty bizarre.
It's not like America.
America, you can find a decent church.
It might not be the greatest church,
but at least you don't have to worry
about your pastor being saved.
But it's not really like that
in certain places.
And in the Philippines,
you know, a lot of these people,
they can't find anything.
But I'm not sure if there's one particular.
I would think it would be dispensationalism,
but I guess I'm still trying
to figure that out.
I will say this,
that one of my friends
who goes to a Baptist church,
you know, he preached a sermon on hell
and he preached about how,
you know, obviously when people die
unsaved, they go to hell.
And then he was told afterwards,
you know, by the pastor that he was wrong
and that they said,
we don't believe anybody
goes to hell when they die.
And not until the great
white throne judgment.
And you wonder,
where did that come from?
Well, that came from a
Galatian e Christo.
That didn't come from,
so I mean,
INC has influenced
some of these Baptist churches.
It'd be like if Mormonism
had influenced our churches
and we were believing
some of their doctrines.
So it's pretty bizarre.
It's a pretty bad situation.
But since there's so many people
looking for a good church
throughout the Philippines,
I really think that God's
going to bless that area.
And our goal is to really help
train people that are already
in the Philippines,
not just always having people
move from another country.
But there's a lot of guys
that are going to be a part of the church
that have a desire
to be a pastor potentially.
And, you know, I think of Titus,
where he said he was left in Crete
to ordain elders in every city.
It's not like he was just left there
for, you know, six months
and he took the 20 best guys
and he was gone.
You know, it was like a real job
where I need to train people
and the things are wanting.
They're already in need of great churches,
but we don't just ordain the best
we got if they're not ready.
You know, we got to make sure
that they're trained and ready.
And so I want to try
to help these guys out that have that,
because obviously people
have been part of their time
to help me out.
And I want to help these guys out
that are part of the church.
So we need 13 million people
in Metro Manila.
You need more than just,
you know, one church.
You need a lot.
Well, there's certainly a need over there,
and I'm actually getting really excited
hearing you talk about this
because the Philippines needs
a good old-fashioned,
independent, fundamental,
Bible-believing Baptist church
that has its doctrine right.
And the next question
I want to ask you, brother Stuckey,
is what are your goals?
You talked about sending people out,
but where do you see yourself
10, 15 years from now?
You're going there
with the Verity moniker
as a satellite church.
Will we see the cord cut one day
and maybe I'll be able
to call you pastor?
What are some of your biggest goals
that you're most looking forward
to achieving over there
in the Philippines
on this epic journey
you're about to go on?
Well, I do want to eventually
be a pastor one day,
but we have one child right now,
so that's still at least
several years away.
So obviously this is a big opportunity.
I don't believe in rushing into things
you're not ready for.
Like, I believed all along
that I'll be ready
once Pastor Menes tells me I'm ready,
which is pretty much what happened.
You know, he basically just told me
he thought I was ready,
and so we kind of just figured out
the time frame,
because in the Bible,
people never lift themselves up
to prominence that succeed.
It's only bad people that do that.
You know, it's especially
on something like this.
This is not something you want to do
if you're not ready.
You want to make,
because everybody thinks they're ready.
That's generally how it works.
People think they're more knowledgeable
or more ready.
That's just kind of the way
we are as humans.
And so I do eventually
want to become a pastor,
but when I'm looking at the church,
I know people are going to be moving,
or people are going to be coming in
from a long distance away.
I don't want it to be something
where like 10 years from now,
everybody's driving like two and a half,
three hours to come to church.
I want eventually where people
are going like 15 minutes to church,
where basically there's
a lot of good churches.
And so, you know,
I'm not for sure if my roots
are always going to be
where we're first starting this church,
or maybe if somebody else
is qualified and ready,
maybe, you know,
they'll be ordained the pastor
and I'll go somewhere else.
I'm not really sure.
There's a lot of new stuff to learn.
But I would say the big goal we have
is to definitely get
a lot of churches started,
because people are already
going soul winning there
without a great church for a year.
And so I could pretend
like I'm going down there
and take credit for all the soul winning
that's going to happen,
all the numbers we're going to have.
There's going to be like
video game type numbers,
but real numbers,
because people are receptive
and there's a lot of people
going out quite a bit.
But the truth is,
they've already been doing that.
So I would measure my success
based on if, you know,
five or ten years from now,
you know, if I've helped
get some churches established.
You know, I feel like
that's a bigger goal.
Obviously, I'm going to go
soul winning a lot.
Obviously, I believe in soul winning.
But, you know,
I think my first sermon
I'm going to preach,
I'm going to talk about the vision
of Verity Baptist Church Manila.
And I have six points in the sermon
and some of the points,
every IFB church
would have the same point.
For example,
spiritual growth for your members.
Obviously, every church believes,
hey, we want our members to grow.
Physical growth,
where your church is actually
growing numerically.
Great fellowship.
Obviously, that's something
that you want as a church.
These are all vital things.
And I'm forgetting one of them.
But the first one I want to talk about
is getting church,
well, lots of soul winning, obviously.
That's the other one.
Obviously, every church
wants to do those things.
They want to get a lot of people saved.
Even if they're old IFB,
they want to get people saved
just don't necessarily
have the same methods.
But one goal that most
IFB churches do not have
is getting churches started.
They have no vision for it.
They have no goal for it.
It's not on the radar.
They're relying on the Bible colleges.
That's a big goal
that we're going to have.
And then the last goal
is kind of like the cherry on the top,
where I'd like to have
a really thriving YouTube ministry
that can really help people out.
That's really Philippines specific,
you know, because obviously
our movements reached a lot of people.
But I would like to eventually
really help reach people
outside of where they've been reached
through Pastor Anderson
and Pastor Hernandez
or all the pastors
and churches in our movement.
So I would say those are like
the six main goals I have.
And I would say most of those
every church is going to have
and they're vital things.
But the idea of getting churches started
is just something most IFB churches,
they don't have any sort of goal
or plan or anything.
So I anticipate
that you're going to get
a lot of people saved.
And when you announce those numbers,
they're going to be real numbers,
at least 90 some percent of them.
Unlike that fraud heretic,
false prophet in New York,
Tyler Doka and his effeminate evangelist
who recently published a video.
Oh, we got some people say
some ridiculously unrealistic number
that nobody with a brain actually buys.
This is a real church.
You're going to do actual soul winning.
You're going to get people actually saved.
They're going to go to heaven one day
because of the work you
and the people there
are going to do going door knocking.
And that leads me to my next question,
Brother Stuckey.
When it comes to the main differences
between soul winning here in the United States
and soul winning in the Philippines,
what would you point to
as one or two things
that are really different?
Because me personally,
Brother Stuckey,
I have not gone soul winning
outside of the United States.
So I'm interested to know
what if I were to go to the Philippines
and maybe pay you a visit sometime,
what I need to be ready for
in that nation versus right here?
Before you do that question,
let me go back to Doka for one second.
Absolutely. Go right ahead.
It kind of ties into something
important in the Philippines.
Like in the Philippines,
Baptist churches will ordain anybody.
You know, they say,
well, hey, if you're called by God, brother,
let's just get this done right now.
And they'll ordain you
without being married,
without having read the Bible cover
to cover one time.
The majority of Baptist pastors
have not read the Bible cover
to cover one time.
And they're not really ashamed to admit it
because plenty of people I know
have heard various different ones.
It's not just one wild story,
but plenty of them have never read
the Bible cover to cover.
And you know, Doka is obviously
not qualified to be a pastor.
And for someone who's been waiting
to be qualified
and has wanted this for a long time,
before he was called out as a heretic,
before he declared himself to be a heretic
with a flat earth and everything
and things that got worse,
I did not like the guy.
He was smug.
He was arrogant.
And then when I saw on his website
that he had an evangelist,
I was trying because I was like,
maybe this guy,
I feel guilty about like disliking this guy
because as far as I know,
he's saved and kind of like this.
But I was like, man,
I cannot stand this guy.
He just seemed smug.
He seemed arrogant.
And I think that all of us have learned
that if someone's going to lift themselves up
before they're ready,
they're going to inevitably probably bad guy.
We've kind of seen that.
And so I want to stop that mentality
in the Philippines
because a lot of the guys
that are at our church
come from that sort of background.
And so they realize
that they're probably more ready
than all these other phonies
that are going out there.
But you know what?
God established a system.
And if you're going to be a pastor in a church,
you're in it for the long haul.
And that's 30, 40, 50 years.
What's another three years
to make sure you're actually ready
and qualified by God's standards?
And so that's something in the Philippines
that I definitely want to fight against
is this idea of just,
you know,
hey, you know,
let's just get ordained,
even though we're not really trained and ready.
As for the soul in the Philippines,
real quick,
I just want to say,
I guess one of your early sermons
then are going to be about
the qualifications to pastor
coming out of.
Yeah, yeah.
I'll definitely have to talk about that.
And one thing you mentioned too,
Brother Stuckey,
is that you're working
your tail to the bone
to make sure that you do it the right way,
that when you get qualified,
you're biblically qualified
based on what the scriptures say
you need to do to be a legitimate pastor.
And, you know,
how do you feel when you see these guys
circumvent those qualifications
to exalt themselves?
Yeah, it definitely makes me mad.
And I've talked to other people
kind of off the record,
people that are close friends,
and it really bugged them and stuff.
But then when you really think about it,
it's just like,
you know what,
if you lift yourself up,
you're going to be abased.
So I really shouldn't let it get me down
because, you know,
the proof is going to be in the pudding eventually,
you know,
with people that aren't ready
and aren't prepared and stuff like that.
So, but the thing I don't like about it,
it's the same thing with shallow soul winning.
Shallow soul winning spreads
because there's just something
kind of prideful in us
where we want to come back with a number.
You know, we hate coming back
with not getting anybody saved.
And when other people are kind of doing a bad job,
there's like a slight tendency
of not doing as thorough of a job.
I've seen that,
especially with so many marathons
and stuff like that,
where all of a sudden people seem to think,
well, you're in a marathon,
so let's just kind of,
you know,
spend five less minutes at the door.
It's like, no,
you're going to do things the same way
and let somebody else come back with eight saved.
You come back with your one saved
or none saved or however many,
you know.
And so it's the same thing
with people exalting themselves to be pastors,
because when I've seen people
that I know are not ready
and I know I read the Bible more than them
and prepared more,
honestly, in my flesh,
yeah, it makes me mad.
Like someone like Doka,
I was just thinking,
you know, what a joke.
Because, yeah,
and if you're just looking for a church
that will ordain you,
you can find a Baptist church in America
that will ordain you.
It's not like it's a struggle.
So it's not like you get anything
to deserve it at all.
And so it definitely does bug me.
But then in the end,
it's kind of like God's going to exalt some people
and he's going to bring down others.
If you exalt yourself,
obviously with salvation,
if you exalt yourself
and never humble yourself,
you're going to be a base.
But even just in our lives,
you know, there's a guarantee
that if you lift yourself up,
you're going to be brought down.
And so in the end,
I don't think it should necessarily bother me.
I just hate seeing that mentality spread.
I don't want to see that spread,
you know, in the Philippines.
You know, I definitely want to do things
the right way.
So, amen.
And I appreciate that.
Sorry to interrupt you there,
but we were going to talk about the difference
between the United States
and the Philippines on soul winning.
You just brought up soul winning
and the importance,
you know, bringing back legitimate numbers
and not being shallow
for the sake of coming back,
seeing got somebody saved.
But what are some of the main differences
you could say for somebody like me
who's never gone soul winning
outside of America?
Well, I'd say when we have like mission trips
and tons of people coming,
we're going to do almost all
of our soul winning in parks
because it's way too hard to organize
80 people out soul winning
and get maps and everything like that
that are coming for the whole week
when there's tons and tons of people in the park.
So when people come to visit
and they're part of these big groups,
we're probably going to focus a lot in the parks.
And also there's some universities nearby
where actually the guys from steadfast
had I sent them there a lot.
They went they were staying at a hotel near there.
That was probably the most successful area
because there was not at all a language barrier.
Everyone spoke 100% fluent English,
which most people speak English in the Philippines,
but there is no barrier whatsoever.
And they were getting double digit
saved every single day.
You know, the guys that came from steadfast
and so I've been door to door in the Philippines
before back in 2014.
I didn't do it this most recent time.
And, you know, people were receptive.
They remember on one street we had,
we gave the gospel to at three different houses
and out of like 10 doors,
you know, the majority of people
they answered were interested.
So you'll just find it's a lot easier
to be motivated to go soul winning
because you know for pretty much the fact
if you go out for two hours,
you're going to get somebody saved.
You'll just find a lot more people that are interested.
And most of the soul winners I know in the Philippines,
actually all of them,
they use the King James Bible
and then they'll explain some stuff in Tagalog if necessary.
But in terms of the Bible issue,
there's not necessarily a set standard
two plus two equals four.
We know for sure this is the right one
or anything like that.
There's various ones that were translated
from the King James,
but even the soul winners I know
are more comfortable using the King James.
I would say that one thing I learned
this most recent time,
it's so hot outside that when you're talking to people,
one of the first things you can do is just say,
hey, do you mind if we just go over here in the shade
and talk about this?
And you'll find more people likely to listen to you
because you know the heat's kind of overwhelming
even if you're from the area.
So just kind of little nuggets like that are helpful,
but otherwise I would just say
that people are more receptive
and it's not really that hard to get them
to reject Catholicism and get saved.
I'm sure if you were to look back at all those saved people,
they'd still probably have a lot of traditions
that would take more than just an overnight
to get out of them
because idolatry and Catholicism is linked in
with all of their holidays and festivals and celebrations
and they might not realize all that stuff is wrong
from day one.
They might not have that discernment.
It's gonna take them some time.
But in terms of them being willing to get saved,
usually they're pretty open to it.
So.
And let's round out our discussion on the Philippines
with this.
What's gonna be the most difficult aspect
of what you're doing?
Will it be what we talked about earlier,
the new culture?
Will it be starting a brand new church?
Will it be the travel?
I mean, what would you say
is gonna be the most difficult challenge
that you're gonna be faced with here
as you start Verity Manila?
What if I think, and I could be wrong,
but over this past month,
my schedule has been like all over the place
because we had our house.
We just sold it.
We had our house on the market,
selling my car and just all kinds of stuff.
I'm normally a routine guy
where it's like my alarms at five in the morning.
I start my Bible reading, start my prayer
and just go by routine.
But I haven't really had that routine over the last month.
And I would say that most pastors in our movement,
it's really hard to have like a set routine all the time
because honestly the ministry can be all over the place.
And it's easy to read the Bible
when you just have a set pattern
from five to six in the morning or whatever it is,
where you're just like, this is just what I do.
But I think just me establishing my own personal walk
with God is gonna be the hardest thing
because I think you're,
especially if you're in the ministry,
in your mind, you can justify,
well, I've been going soloing all day, stuff like that.
You can kind of justify not having your personal walk right
where you're reading the Bible and praying
and things like that.
Because I think as long as I have my personal walk with God
and my wife has her personal walk with God,
we might encounter some really tough things,
but God's gonna get us through that.
But if I don't have my personal walk with God,
then I'm gonna get lifted up full of pride,
covetousness, worldliness or whatever.
And eventually it's gonna crumble.
So I think just keeping a pattern of myself,
having that personal walk with God
is probably the most important and difficult thing.
Because it's something that you can easily let slip
if you're not diligent.
And I think when you look at people
that kind of drop out, so to speak,
I think it's because they just don't have a walk with God.
They come to all the soloing marathons and stuff like that,
but they probably don't have much of a prayer life
or Bible reading and stuff like that.
And if they did,
I think it would get them through those rough times.
That's what I would say is probably the biggest obstacle.
And it seems simple,
but I think that as long as you are on fire
for God, not just in the public eye,
but privately as well,
then God can do what he needs to do
to get you through everything.
Because I'm sure there's gonna be
a lot of difficult things and new things,
but as long as I'm making sure I'm reading my Bible
and praying and memorizing the Bible,
I think he's gonna get me through all those things.
About your most hated false doctrine,
I heard you mentioned Calvinism.
What is it about John Calvin, the reprobate
and his doctrine that angers you the most?
I think that most people probably hate doctrines
that they've come across a lot.
For example, somebody was a Jehovah's witness
and they got saved.
You mentioned brother Joe at your church.
He was Orthodox, right?
If I'm remembering correctly.
I believe so, yeah.
So I would assume that's probably his most hated false doctrine
because he has that background.
He did a sermon on it.
Yeah, I listened to that sermon.
And I don't really have a background
of being a Calvinist myself,
but I had family members.
I had various people that I was friends with
before I really understood the Bible as much.
And one thing that makes me mad about it,
and I think most people in our movement kind of get this,
but Calvinists are not saved.
And a lot of people think they are.
A lot of people think, well, they say it's by grace alone.
And then they don't think there's any works
and they believe in eternal security.
And obviously, we know that's not the case,
but they do a very good job of masking
what they really believe.
It's like when we go door to door,
you run into people that will say,
oh, I know I'm going to heaven.
And we know that they don't really know.
They're just saying that.
And usually it's really obvious,
but the Calvinists are good at masking it
where they'll convince people that they really are saved
and no one believer knows if they're going to heaven.
They don't know that they have eternal life.
The Calvinists are very, very confident
they're one of the elect, but they really don't know.
But they do a good job of masking that
and making you believe that they are 100%
when they're really not.
They're not convinced.
But I think just because back East,
there's a lot of Protestants we ran into
and most Protestants are either Calvinists
or they have Calvinist type teachings
that are ingrained in their heads.
And I've read the book, The Bondage of the Will,
which is supposed to be the book
of the Protestant Reformation by Martin Luther.
And he's a four-point Calvinist.
He just doesn't believe in the perseverance of the saints.
And all the other ones,
except the one perseverance of the saints,
he just thought you could throw away your salvation.
But everything else he thought it was elected.
And then once he got it,
you could still choose to walk away from it.
But I've just been around a lot of Calvinists
and they're not receptive to the gospel.
You have pretty much no chance.
I find Jehovah's Witnesses far more receptive than Calvinists.
Jehovah's Witness, I found Hindus more receptive,
even Muslims more receptive,
but Calvinists that actually believe in all five points,
I've never seen one of them get saved.
Now, maybe other people have a different experience,
but James White, you can go on YouTube
and somebody asks him this question
of whether or not he believes that pedophilia,
child abuse was ordained by God.
And he kind of sidesteps the question,
but then the guy brings him back to it.
And then James White admits that,
I believe all actions are chosen by God, so yes.
And all Calvinists believe that,
that actually believe in their doctrine.
He's just the only one dumb enough to actually admit it.
But it's like to have that sort of mind,
to believe that God wants children to be abused,
it's like, what is wrong with you?
You're just showing that you're a full-blown reprobate.
And I think when people go that far into it,
by and large,
there's people that are confused on some of the points,
but when people are just like,
man, I'm a five-point Calvinist, I believe everything,
I think the majority of them are just bad people
because their mind and consciousness is defiled
when you really think about what they believe.
So I don't know, you can tell I'm venting here.
I'm all over the place answering this question.
I think I just have a lot of experience
with them, so that's why I don't like them.
And that's the ones who are bringing the fight
in the Philippines.
So it's like, well, thank you, God,
because that's the topic I've really studied a lot about.
So it's like, you kind of threw me a softball there.
I'm ready for that.
So it's great.
Yeah, if there's anybody that we can count on
to take them down, it's you.
I've branded it as a psychotic doctrine
because of what you just mentioned.
Dr. James White, the theologian,
the pseudo-intellectual with a stupid bow tie.
Says that what you've mentioned,
their child molestation and all the rest of it,
essentially that God ordains that
and he is like the puppet master up there
controlling every single evil or good
that goes on in the world.
And it's not just the false doctrine.
I mean, it's not just that they take scriptures
out of context and just butcher them,
butcher what predestination really is
and things like that.
But just the fact that these people
are such prideful, arrogant,
little pseudo-intellectual minis
running around with their big words,
with the hypostasis.
Like, first of all, speak English.
Nobody talks like that.
Nobody uses those dumb theological terms
in regular conversations.
Second of all, it doesn't make you seem smart.
It makes you seem like a prideful, arrogant loser
who I want nothing to do with.
Go ahead, sorry.
Right.
Yeah, that's actually probably a big part of it.
I didn't even mention it.
It's just that they're so prideful.
I can't stand it when you're talking to someone
and it's very obvious that they think you're 20 times,
that they're 20 times smarter than you.
And it's just obvious the way they talk
that you're an idiot and I'm so much smarter than you.
And they're not the only false religion that does that.
But the Calvinists are the ones,
and I'll be honest, if I had never gotten saved,
I could see myself getting confused on Calvinism
just because they're generally more conservative,
you know, whatever that means.
A lot of Calvinists homeschool and stuff like that.
And so it kind of makes me even more angry
just because I look at some of the religions
that are just really stupid.
I don't know how anyone ever buys that.
But Calvinism can be tricky.
They can just bounce around and make it confusing
what they actually teach.
But if you really boil it down to what they teach,
you're like, whoa, that's pretty evil.
But they're just really arrogant and I don't know.
So I don't know if we're going to keep having that fight
in the Philippines, but that's the first fight we have
is with the Calvinists.
And one of their big pastor out there, Benny Avante,
he preached a sermon and I listened to part of it.
He said it was soul winning in the light of sovereign grace.
And then it was really funny
because I made a clip about this where he's saying,
he's like, you know, I haven't heard
a lot of people preach about soul winning in the light of,
he's like, I've never heard anyone preach
about soul winning in the light of sovereign grace.
It's like, well, yeah, dummy,
because there's no point of going soul winning
if you believe in sovereign grace.
Cause soul winning is antithetical to your theology, moron.
Yeah.
I think the only reason why some do go in the Philippines
is you're more likely to get visitors at church
in the Philippines than in America.
At least from limited experience I have.
So I think some Calvinists do go soul winning in the Philippines.
I think that's why Spurgeon probably,
you know, he talked about soul winning.
He probably did go a little bit
because it actually was beneficial to build his church.
Whereas in today's world, you know,
it's hard to get people to come to church.
You know, maybe it's always been like that,
but I feel like Charles Spurgeon talked about soul winning
as if he was really zealous for it.
If he went soul winning, the only reason why
was because he could bring visitors to church,
not because he really believed in it like we do.
And you know what?
I'm not the sharpest drawer in the knife,
as you can tell from that botched statement,
but I can tell when I'm out soul winning
and the guy I'm talking to is a Calvinist
just from the certain terms that they use, Brother Stuckey.
And you're right that they are sneaky in that
when it comes to perseverance of the saints,
although they want to brand it as something
that's somewhat similar to one saved always saved
or even is one saved always saved.
It's not because what they're saying is
if you really are saved, you will have the works to show it.
That's how you prove you're saved based on your works,
which is a backdoor work salvation.
Right.
When I first got saved, I thought Calvinists were saved
because I was like, well, they believe in eternal security
because I just didn't understand
all the false ways that were out there.
And so there's a lot of people
that I think are confused about that where,
because I thought perseverance of the saints,
like, well, yeah, I believe as saints
we're going to go to heaven when we die.
I didn't realize what they were teaching
was something completely different.
So they're just really sneaky
and they're just complete phonies.
And the ones in the Philippines are these big money grubbers.
They have this crazy doctrine where God requires
not just your 10%, but also one month salary.
They call it their first fruits doctrine.
And it's like in America,
you'd only have the Pentecostals preach something like that.
But they literally will say,
you have to give one month salary and get for 10%.
The first fruits that the Bible talks about.
And it's like, are you kidding me?
I mean, you would never get that from any Baptist in America.
Maybe you would, maybe Jack Treeber, I don't know.
But I mean, in general,
even Baptist wouldn't do that in America,
only the Pentecostals.
But the Calvinist Baptist do that in the Philippines.
So it's preaching for filthy Luther's sake.
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
Brother Stuckey, I really appreciate your time.
You got a lot going on, you're moving soon.
I could tell from the background
that you've already packed some stuff.
You also said that you were packing some stuff
prior to us beginning this taping.
Is there anything else you want to say,
anything else you want to add that we haven't covered,
something you want to plug
that you want the audience to go check out,
whether it's a social media account
or anything at all that could help people follow your work
and check you out?
Now's the time, go ahead.
Well, one thing I'd say is we have our YouTube channel,
Verity Baptist Manila.
And especially for any Filipinas that might be watching,
we're trying to make it specific for the Philippines,
because obviously we're trying to reach
a new segment of people.
We've uploaded some hymns in Tagalog and things like that.
And we have the soul winning presentation
from Kuya, Brother Jeff at our church,
who did it in Tagalog.
And so Verity Baptist Manila,
if you want to subscribe to that.
I will say that when I preach,
obviously I'm going to preach sermons
that are specific to the people I'm preaching to,
which a lot of it's going to be the same things
I would preach here in America.
But if people did listen, then they have to realize,
well, if I'm preaching a lot of Catholicism in three months,
it's like, well, that's because everyone's Catholic.
So I do think that obviously if you go to a great church,
your pastor has a sermon, God's late on their heart
specifically for that church.
I think that's the most important thing for you to hear.
But if our YouTube channel could be a blessing,
Verity Baptist Manila, then that would be great as well.
And I would say now, since we did this interview,
it's your job to make me look good.
I did my best.
Now you've got to like shade it
to make me look better than I actually am.
So not too difficult to do.
Not too difficult to do.
If I had Brother Fanon on, that'd be a different story.
That man, that takes so much editing.
I'm making fun of him because he's not here.
He's going to get me back for that one.
Folks, I love Brother Fanon.
That's just a joke.
All right.
I want to say this to you, Brother Stuckey.
It says in 1 Timothy 3, this is a true saying.
If a man desire the office of a bishop,
he desireth a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless,
the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober of good behavior,
given to hospitality, apt to teach, not given to wine,
no striker, not greedy, a filthy looker,
but patient, not a brawler, not covetous,
one that ruleth well his own house,
having his children in subjection with all gravity.
For if a man know not how to rule his own house,
how shall he take care of the church of God?
Not a novice, which you obviously are not,
lest being lifted up with pride,
he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
Moreover, he must have a good report of them,
which are without, lest he fall into reproach
and the snare of the devil.
And Brother Stuckey, the reason why I read that
is because those qualifications right there,
we talked about it.
You are doing it the right way.
You want to meet those qualifications.
And for that, I say, thank you.
You're not a fraud like Tyler Doka
and the rest of these guys who are trying to circumvent
and subvert that.
You're doing it the right way.
And I believe God is going to bless the work you're doing.
I believe God's going to bless you and exalt you.
And so just thanks for taking a step
outside your comfort zone
and heading over to the Philippines.
It takes courage.
And I'm going to be praying for you, my friend.
I appreciate it.
Thank you very much.
So definitely thank you for having me on here.
I appreciate it.
No, it was my pleasure.
No doubt.
It was certainly my pleasure.
And folks, he is Matthew Stuckey.
Check out his YouTube channel.
I'm going to put a link to the description box
in the description box below right there.
So you can all subscribe.
You have to do it.
Check out his preaching and certainly
follow the work he's doing there
and keep him in your prayers as he goes to the Philippines
and starts a church and fights a very important
spiritual battle over in that nation.
Brother Stuckey, any last words?
No, just appreciate being down here.
Thank you very much, Brother Ben.
All right.
And folks, that's going to do it for this episode
of Preacher Profile.
This is Ben the Baptist.
And you just heard Brother Matthew Stuckey
telling you all about what he plans on doing
over there in the Philippines.
And he's stepping outside of his comfort zone,
like I said.
And he's going to do, I think, a great work over there.
He's going to get multitude saved
and preach some fantastic sermons.
It was a pleasure to get a chance to speak to him
really for the first time in an extended conversation,
that is, right here on this Preacher Profile interview.
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