As we have received mercy we faint not so number one don't quit
You have this ministry. We have this ministry. So what's the one thing that we should never do?
We should never quit on soul winning, but it was such a joke because I know that pastor never goes soul winning
He will not get off his lazy hind end and go out and with the people we begged him to go soul winning before
We said hey, will you please go soul winning? He said why don't you take your ball and bounce it someplace else?
started as Verity Vancouver on October 3rd
2016 and has since become sure foundation Baptist Church
Aaron Thompson who was the leader of the satellite was ordained as pastor on July 22nd
2018
Pastor Thompson was born in Portland, Oregon
43 years ago. His church is full of soul winners
Men and women who love the Lord and people who are on board with the new IFB movement
Pastor Thompson was ordained the right way by getting biblically qualified
learning under a man of God and
Eventually getting sent out to lead a church having been trained under pastor Roger Jimenez
It's safe to say that pastor Thompson has learned from one of the best and he's just getting started
in Vancouver, Washington
He's a strong leader who didn't become a pastor to glorify himself
He did it to feed the flock of God
ladies and gentlemen from sure foundation Baptist Church
pastor
Aaron
Thompson
Hello everyone. Welcome to another edition of the preacher profile series
My name is Ben the Baptist and this time I'm joined by the pastor of sure foundation
Baptist Church in Vancouver, Washington
He was recently ordained by pastor Roger Jimenez who was featured in the last edition of this preacher
profile interview series right here on
youtube.com slash Ben the Baptist
I'm not gonna waste any time here he is right now the man himself
pastor Aaron
Thompson joins me pastor
Thank you so much for coming on and taking time out of your busy schedule to appear on this special feature
For my youtube channel. I appreciate it. How you doing tonight? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it
It's a honor to be on the show
You know, there's a lot to talk about
the new IFB
Whatever you want to call this movement. It's growing and it's growing at a rapid pace
You're one of the newest to get ordained one of the latest I should say to get ordained now you have a totally independent
fundamental Bible believing Baptist Church pastor Jonathan Shelley as well recently started his church and
You know, I'd love to get him on sometime in the future, but pastor Thompson right off the bat
I have to ask you in these early days here as you're establishing yourself as a pastor
Has there been an adjustment period or has it been a smooth transition for you without much of an adjustment given that
you have been preaching for quite some time and
You know being a part of the leadership of that church prior to your official ordination as pastor
Well, I'd say the adjustments been pretty smooth actually I mean
You know, it's it's
Yeah, I've been doing it for almost two years before I got ordained and
So doing it by as I mean by that is
Pleading the church in Vancouver. So it was it was pretty smooth
I mean, it was kind of almost red tape at that point, you know, so I was really excited to have me
be ordained as the pastor in our church and
I was excited to be the pastor. I mean, of course, there's
Lots of you know, I mean the only thing I'm getting hard having a hard time getting used to honestly is being called pastor
And people always like they'll say
Brother Aaron, I mean pastor Thompson. I'm sorry, and I was like, I'm still brother Aaron. So, you know
But yeah, I mean people are trying to be respectful and they keep forgetting to call me pastor and that's really the major most major
adjustment I think I've had so
But right now I believe you're the first preacher that I featured on this series
Who started out as an evangelist, I believe right where you were you actually ordained as an evangelist?
No, actually, I wasn't I was just the satellite leader and gotcha
But we didn't do that route
But yeah
so you were the first person to be that that I'm featuring on this series who started out as that satellite leader and
Leading a satellite church prior to getting ordained as pastor
There are two ways to do this
Obviously, you know a guy who's qualified can get sent out and be a pastor right off the bat
And the other way is to start out as a satellite church and then eventually cut the cord you did it that second way
What are your thoughts on that method of starting new churches? We see that obviously with the church
I'm going to steadfast Jacksonville with Adam Fannin and of course faithful word Baptist Church
Los Angeles is another example of that model. What do you think of that model? I
Think the model works great
Actually, I've started another satellite church already with our trip, you know already out the gate with in Canada
So I'm pretty familiar with the model. So it works really good for me
the great thing about it is that you know, I mean what what happens when you get to the point where
Maybe that person isn't ready or maybe they just decided this is too hard
This is too much and then you know instead of having that person sent out and they're like, hey, I'm quitting
You can have that person, you know
You know, maybe they haven't met all the qualifications yet
Or maybe they have and you just want it to be started out as a satellite
I just think that you know, there's a lot more advantage to it that way it you know
As opposed to the other method not not that any methods better
I'm just saying you know
It's it's easy that you could just pull the plug and say hey this guy's gone the way of Balaam or you know
This guy's a total clown. He's not able to do the job or whatever
Reason, you know and you can just pull the plug or you can replace them people have a little replacement theology and
Just replace the guy, you know what I mean?
so you don't have to totally just you know have the guy quit and the church folds its
You know closes the doors you can just say hey
Well, you know, we're gonna have somebody else step in for you and complete your task or complete, you know
Step into that role. So I think it's a good model. I think in the Bible. I think that's what you see
Really happening. I mean
all
told Titus to ordain men in every city and Crete and
You know, there had to have been somebody already doing the job there. Otherwise, there wouldn't be people to ordain
I mean, he's just not telling people to hey go
Let's go pick somebody out of a hat and ordain them as the pastor
I mean obviously all traveled all over and all over the world and
You know got people saved and then he probably started these little
churches and that they were led by somebody that was
Qualified or getting qualified and then they were ordained as the pastor. I think it's a great model
so maybe I'm just biased because I started that way but
Well, you know, I'm not just saying this because I'm speaking to you I would think that
Starting out as a satellite leader or an evangelist at a church
that's affiliated with an independent Baptist Church would really help because it gives you an opportunity to get your feet wet before
you're officially ordained as a pastor you get to preach every week you get to prepare sermons every week and
You know, it kind of gives you a taste of it. You brought up
What Paul did it says in Titus chapter 1 to Titus my own son after the common faith grace mercy and peace from God
The Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior for this cause left I thee and create that thou shouldest set in order the things
That are wanting and ordained elders in every city as I had appointed thee and that's what the new IFB is doing
Ordaining elders in these cities across the country
I think there's gonna come a day pastor where we see a new IFB church a like-minded church in every state in
America I
Hope so, I mean the Midwest or you know, the Great Plains areas are very barren right now
It's like the East Coast is filling in the south is starting to fill in
I mean the East Coast is kind of you know, setting up more churches right now
So we get the West Coast got to get back in it here now
I mean, we're just it's more sparsely populated over here, honestly
But you know, I mean, I want to see even places like Montana and Wyoming
I mean, they're not as heavily populated but Boise Idaho is supposed to you know
Have a church here pretty soon by brother Joe Jones supposed to start that church. So as we set out a Verity Baptist and
It's not a huge state. It's not a population wise but that's the biggest city in
Idaho so it's starting to kind of expand
Inwards a little more so I'm excited about that. I want to see a new IFB church in every state, you know
And then even start to fill in the small towns, too
You know the smaller towns like, you know hundred thousand or even less. I mean, it's nice to have a church in your town, right?
so
So let's talk about you. Let's talk about
Your salvation testimony. We're gonna go from all the way to the beginning of this journey
And then we'll eventually get to where you're at today, but how did Pastor Thompson get saved? What occurred?
What did you see who got you saved talk a little bit about your salvation testimony?
Well, I was riding this horse and then all of a sudden I saw this blinding light. No, I'm just kidding
You know, I don't know I mean I think it took God some extra
Touches to get me saved. I don't know and I was a hard case. I remember as a kid
I hardly ever went I went to an assembly of God Church one time and
Like I remember learning about Jonah in the Sunday school class, and I really liked it
But when I went home my stepdad was a total reprobate. So
He said you're never going back to church again, and it's probably a good thing cuz you know
The assemblies of God is kind of you know, not teaching the right salvation and stuff like that
My dad was in a cult
It was called the word of faith movement or something like that
But the guy's name is John Robert Stevenson, he's dead in hell right now, but
Anyway, my dad got wrapped up in that and so occasionally when I was growing up
I in as a teenager a couple times I'd gone to that
Church it was like a charismatic tongue speaking
You know roll not not rolling on the floor necessarily, but just tongue speaking. The guy said he was Jesus Christ and
you know, he was really weird the guy not not my dad, but the
Cult leader and Yoko husband was like wrapped up into it
Anyway, I'm just trying to give you a little bit of my church background, which was not
so I went to another church and I remember this guy at the end gave like a invitation and
I remember making a profession of faith, but I don't think that he you know
I don't know if he did a good enough job because I don't work
I don't think I was saved even after making a profession of faith. I
Remember him leading me in a prayer and stuff. I was 14 years old
But anyway as I as I got older I didn't get saved till I was 25. So what happened was
Me and my wife were just boyfriend and girlfriend at the time
When the first like the first interaction I had with the guy that got me saved
So I was eating I was at my birthday and I was at a Chinese restaurant and I started
you know sparked up this conversation with this guy and
We were just talking about how the news is fake and I was kind of a truther before, you know
There was any any truthers?
I mean, I was kind of a conspiracy theorist guy even at that time
and so we're talking about how fake the news is and he started talking to me about the Lord and I
Just said, you know, I'm not really interested. My dad was in a cult and you know
I just would rather not talk about that and he was like, that's okay, you know, no problem
He said here's my card and his card was a little double and it said covenant drywall
So
Anyway, I was working for my uncle at the time. This is a long story. Do you want a long story?
No, I'm interested go for it. If I get bored, I'll tell you
So anyway, my uncle he had been given some left-behind books and like we were just talking about like God
We had no clue or talking about so I was like this is you know
A few months or maybe a month after I talked to that guy and I said hey I got this guy's number
I was called him and asked him some questions
Well, I had lost his number
and so like okay, well, it's kind of a roadblock but
and then so I
had three deaths in my life between there and
July so I had a great-grandma died and a great-uncle died and I'd never been to a funeral before and so I
think that that was kind of God's way to prepare me to my salvation because you know
Bible talks about it, you know it being a good thing to be at a funeral, you know in the book of Ecclesiastes
so anyway, um, I
was
My best friend he and my brother and a bunch of friends have gone out
Drinking and partying and they got into a fistfight
They were both drunk. They're fighting in the middle street and a car came by and hit and killed my friend and
So he was like a grand ron Indian tribal member and so he had a big huge funeral
my sister had a son with him and so my nephew was at the funeral and
You know all my friends, I mean we had tons of friends. We were like super party type people
But anyway, the Indians like did like this mixed
Salvation
It was weird. It was like Jesus and the totem pole, you know
The peyote religion mixed with Christianity and he was they were just saying like he's fishing with Grandpa moon
And you know, I was like really seriously taking it in like, you know, what, you know, what happens to you after you die?
I was really seriously considering like what happens
I was like in astrology and all kinds of you know, just weird conspiracies. There you stuff anyway
I remember talking to one of the
Indians after the funeral because they like said if you drink alcohol or do any kind of drugs for seven days and you're cursed
And just all this stuff and I just was talking to him. I said do you think all this stuff is true?
Anyway, you know, he didn't have any answers for me basically and at this time
I had just started working for a roofing company where I was working for all Jehovah's Witnesses
So they're trying to get me to buy buddies
I'm doing astrology and looking at you know, these books at the same time like in the witchcraft basically and then
You know
and then I have the Grand Ronde Indian tribe telling me that he's fit my friends fishing with Grandpa Moon out in outer space or
Something it's all just really confused and my me and my wife we weren't married at that time
We were we were set we were broken up boyfriend and girlfriend was still friends
She
Give me some some comic books that were chick comic books. You know what I mean? Have you ever seen those before?
So I read them
Yeah, there's one called sabotage that she had given me and like her aunt and uncle were like his uncle was a deacon at this
Baptist Church, so
Anyway, I read that comic called sabotage and it's kind of corny
But it does tell you like how the King James Bible came to be
You know why all the other ones are perversions and like that
that's
Silly comic book got me to be King James only before I was even saved Wow
Like when I was studying like I went to a study with the Jehovah's Witnesses and I was like, you know
Cuz in that comic it kind of says these people in Alexandria were like the Jehovah's Witnesses
Where they corrupted God's Word and this guiding origin, you know
And just it kind of explains the whole process of how the King James Bible is the perfect Word of God
So I know I don't promote jack-chick and I think that you know
His in with his tracks are wicked as hell and they treat teach a false gospel
But that actually got me to be King James only that book. So anyway
so
Six so a month after my friend died
I had gotten a King James Bible
From a friend of mine's dad and it was like a big family won't Bible with a picture of Jesus on the front
I remember like praying one time. I was really confused
I just remember praying and saying, you know Lord or I just said God if you're real
Will you show me what's right because I'm super confused. I
Remember specifically praying that prayer as I was trying to read the Bible like I had a King James Bible
I knew I was supposed to be King James only or whatever and I was reading the book of Revelation
And book of Matthew and I was just like I didn't understand what I was reading
so
Anyway a month after my friend died. I went to have Chinese food at a different place. It was done in Milwaukee, Oregon
And who do you think was there when I walked inside?
Let's take a wild stab in the dark the guys the same guys got six months earlier Wow walked in
I said I said hey, I've been looking everywhere for you
You know, I got all these questions for you and and he was like, well, hold on a second
He said do you believe that Jesus Christ?
This is a son of God and then he died for your sins. I just thought for a second
I was like, yeah, I do. I do believe that and so he said let's go outside
So this is like in a restaurant full of people, by the way, I just didn't care
You know, I wanted to know what the truth was. So anyway, we go outside
Like I just I remember not caring like I just want to know what the truth was and I felt like this guy had the
Answers for me. So I went outside with him and he's like, hey you got a Bible and I said I do I said
He said you got a King James Bible
I said I do have a King James Bible and I grabbed that little family Bible out of my
trunk and he went through the Romans Road with me and he said
Asked me if I believed everything went through all the verses with me and he said so do you you know?
Would you like to call upon the name of the Lord and ask him to save you and I said, yeah
He said I said, where do you want to go? He's like right here
so I got on my knees right there and downtown Milwaukee and just asked Jesus Christ to save me and
been saved ever since
So Wow, yeah
That is actually a really cool testimony
Yeah, I mean that's the shortened version of it. I mean, but yeah, it seemed long. But yeah, that's the short version
This this man who you saw on a couple of occasions at the Chinese restaurant
Does he see now who you are today? Does he know who you are? I can't find him
Wow
No
I've tried to find him again
I can't find when I've looked him up and Google searches trying to find like the name
You know his company because I don't remember his name to be honest with you and I felt really bad about that
but
So yeah
That is crazy. I mean think about just for a moment
Think about the impact of soul winning ended up itself
You have no idea the person you're getting saved at the door
You have no idea
Who they're gonna be 10 years from that point 20 years from that point pastor
Romero is an example of that a guy knocked on his door a faithful soul winner knocks on his door
Goes through his the goes through the gospel presentation with him gets him saved and now look at pastor Romero
He's a pastor right and he's made a huge impact and it's the same with you
This guy at a Chinese restaurant gets he saved and all of a sudden you're the pastor of a church and you know
I would hope one day that he comes across your preaching. Hopefully he likes it. I mean, who knows right?
That was in 2000. So I've been saved, you know for 18 years or whatever. Yeah, so but yeah
I mean it was really cool
and so like after that I like knew that I needed to get married to Sherry my wife who's my wife now and
I
Took me three months to get her saved
So like she at one point she even said I wouldn't even get back together with you if you were a preacher
As well, you're wrong about that
So anyway, yeah, so we ended up getting married and you know
For a long time, so that's awesome, you know when I first got saved I kind of had this naive
point of view when it comes to
IFB churches and I thought they were all the same because you know, I got saved listening to
Pastor Anderson and
Specifically it was his sermon once saved always saved because that was the point that I was hung up on
once I got saved I
Remember going. All right, I gotta find an independent
Fundamental Baptist Church and then it'll be just like this guy Steven Anderson's church
You're gonna walk in it's gonna be the hard preaching. They're gonna say that homos should be
Executed. I mean, it's just like I'm ready. I'm ready for Leviticus 2013
He's ripping preaching and I remember going to my first church and
It was nothing like
Faithful word at all
and in fact, that was when I realized wait a minute this you know, these independent Baptist churches are
There's different versions of them. Now. What kind of churches did you go to?
After you got saved, okay
Well, I gotta tell you how how this happened too. So remember I told you my wife's uncle and aunt were no
He was a deacon at this Baptist Church in the same independent Baptist Church. It was actually here in Vancouver
It's still a church here in Vancouver
but
she had given me some Kent Hovind VHS tapes and
actually, I remember watching those specifically and like when he destroyed like
You know the gap theory and just like just all the all the garbage I've been taught in school that I really didn't believe fully
But I was like, oh man, that's so stupid. I can't believe that
I actually believe that and so I realized he was King James only and
He was Baptist. So I was like, well, I'm going to a Baptist Church
I mean, so I never stepped foot in any kind of church besides the Baptist Church and I know that like
Kent Hovinds kind of
You know either not saved or just gone off the rails completely with what's a lot of his teaching. But anyway
He I have him to to thank for being for going to a Baptist Church at least and so I went to that Baptist Church
And the first day I went it was on an evening service and it was a prophecy conference now
I've read Revelation and the book of Matthew and
Started to understand the Bible a little bit
As because I didn't go to church for about six months after I got saved
And so I show up to this prophecy conference. This guy's preaching and I'm like in a tank top and shorts. I smell like cigarettes. I
Walked in I just start raising my hand like asking questions through the middle of the sermon like I had no clue
I was supposed to act in the house of God and wow
Very patient with me though. And like I was just asking the pastor all kinds of crazy questions
You probably thought I was nuts, but you know, we just kept going to church and you know, we just started to learn
You know, I started to read the Bible and learn a lot about the Bible and you know
We just started serving the Lord and I started preaching in like junior church and stuff like that. So
Um, yeah, that's basically I've never you know, I've just always gone to Baptist churches so since I've been saved
And at what point did you or I should say how did you find?
The new IFB movement, you know, it's funny. I was watching
Recently one of Pastor Anderson's old Q&A videos
He did a few years ago where he would answer questions via telephone and now watching that in 2018
I can recognize certain voices and actually recognized your voice. So
You were you asked him you had called in and asked him a question
I forgot what it was. But my point is, you know, when did you find out about this movement? And how did you?
That's really funny. Um
I have the rockmanites to thank for that
So I was like a rock when I it was a King James only
Facebook group and it was defenders of the King James version and these guys were
Super jerks, I mean we're I was fighting with them all the time inside this group and one time
One of them because I'd already told them I was post-trip because I've never been pre-trib
I didn't have everything completely figured out but I knew it was after the tribulation
Like the first time I ever heard a sermon about the preacher rapture
I was like, wait a second is the Bible says after the tribulation, you know, what is this? Right?
We're talking to the pastor afterwards. I was like this doesn't make sense because
You know, and so anyway, I just have never been pre-trip
I've always been post-trip, but I just didn't completely understand all the parts of it
Like I thought maybe it was the full seven years and then Jesus comes back. I thought that I was kind of
stuck in that kind of mode
but anyway, um
So anyway, I forgot what I was saying. What was the question again?
About how you found out about our like-minded churches, right?
Yeah, so I'm in this group and then I started talking about this Steven Anderson and
like maybe a few months before I'd click cuz I I realized I
Because I had moved away and moved back to this the church
I started at and that was the same church that I got baptized in married at
I
started to I
Started just think now there's something wrong with these churches, you know, something's wrong
I just couldn't put my finger on it and I was like the Sunday school superintendent
I was the
basically, like the youth pastor at this church and
I just I remember quickly
Typing in Baptist preaching one time and I saw a pastor Anderson preaching this hard sermon with the white door in the background
Like I don't even know what the sermon was. So I listened to it for like maybe 10 minutes
I was like, that's pretty good, you know, but then these rock when I it's so fast forward
these rock when I it's are fighting and saying I challenged him to a debate and he's too scared to debate me and
this and this and that and so I was a kind of Steven Anshin after the tribulation because all my
Christian life in these Baptist churches
I was post-trib and I felt like an outcast because of it because if you were post-trib, well
You were just you're just wrong and so it's kind of something, you know
I had legitimate questions that I would ask pastors and I didn't think it was wrong to ask me questions, but I'd felt alone
I felt like I'm the only one that believes this am I just wrong or what?
And so when I saw that there was a Baptist preacher that believed in it I wanted to find out more about him
So I looked him up
I think on Facebook and I looked up and I found and after the tribulation
Was out at that time and so I was able to watch the film and I thought it was great, you know
So that's kind of how I started watching and I just slowly started watching things
And I kind of knew that like where we were at at that point that my wife might not approve of some of the things
Preaching and so I kind of steered her away
Like I kind of I would like after church. I would like put it on
You know some of his preaching and she was like, who's this arrogant guy, you know
And so it took a little while for her but she's like, you know, once she started hearing the pre
You know that the preaching was just Bible. She was like, wow, this is pretty good
so we started to like kind of grow from the preaching that we were listening to and
Just start getting rid of some of the stuff that we shouldn't have been doing
You know like it gets the scent out of your life when he heard her preaching, right? And so
Yeah, so she you know kind of came around but I remember her calling me at work like this the Proverbs 31 wife
Sermon really got under her skin and she was called me crying at work and she was like, I can't believe you would say this
I'm never listening to him again. And then she'd go. I'm just gonna listen to one more than she
Been a couple hours later. She's like, I can't believe you would say this and you know, so it took her a while
But you know, that's just her processing the preaching because we had heard like that, you know
Except for like a church camps or something, you know, I mean said church camps
It seems like pastors would just rip hard, but then you'd come back to your church and it's like
You know
No, right. You'd heard hard preaching before but it'd been a while. So but
That that preaching was definitely way harder than any preaching I've ever heard before so
Anyway, so so talk about how you ended up getting involved with Verity Baptist Church
Well, you know one time I just went down and visited them. So I
Drove down there visited with them and just kind of got to know past pastor took me out to dinner one night and
When we were down there and then it was another full year before I went back down there again
and so we went to
the sweetheart banquet and hung out and
You know kind of reconnected and I think we we just we were going to a church and we were able to do lots of
Great things at that church and started soul winning program and a men's preaching night and he was cool
He knew that we you know, who we listen to and all that stuff even like at the support on soul winning
Marathon he that my pastor came to the dinner that we all had and paid for everybody's bill. It was really nice
He let us use the church. So that
Sermon from Portland was that the church that we went to which was pretty cool. But anyway, we we went down there and
We just I just got to become friends with pastor Jimenez and we went down there for Father's Day that same year and
You know after the Father's Days over no, it was before Father's Day. What year is this?
2000
It was right. It was well, the first year was 2015, I believe
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I
Think it was yeah 2016 2016 is the same year. We started the church on that. So yeah, I'm sorry. I'm
That was a big year
Yeah, so when when we've just visited like the week before the Orlando sermon and so
like when the
The freakout happened and you know all the sodomites
Raging we're like me and the Joneses and some other friends see brother CJ that goes to our church
we're like we're going down there to support pastor minutes and
So he went down there and it was crazy
But it was cool. I wouldn't take that back for anything and I was like, you know, I I was you know
I got I got to say I was maybe a little bit worried that
People were I worked by find out or see me on the news or something, but I really wasn't it was like whatever
You know, I'm gonna support my friend. I don't care and
so we went down there and supported pastor Menes and and
Walks through it was like when we walked through that sea of sodomites
It was like, you know in Exodus when the wall of the of the seas were on both sides
It was like walls of sodomites that we walked through at the end
If you ever look at that that coverage where it shows us walking out from the building
I mean, it was it was a surreal feeling man. It was it was crazy
So, but yeah, that's how we became friends
just you know, and then
so
We were supposed to have a guy come up and start a church and I was kind of just gathering people together
And we were going soul wanting and doing stolen in events and stuff like that
And so that would I don't know I'm getting ahead of the questions aren't I?
What I find interesting is that
Eventually
You were tapped to be the leader of this satellite church now describe that process
What were you thinking when you were the guy that pastor Roger Jimenez was going to rely on did he know?
When he chose you that you would one day pastor that church or were you originally just supposed to be a temporary guy and then?
Get replaced by somebody else talk about that process a little bit getting Verity Vancouver
Started and you specifically being chosen to lead that satellite church
yeah, I was kind of it was kind of interesting because so we got the news that the person was supposed to come start the
church up here wasn't gonna be able to do it and
So it's gonna be more time and it already been like two years and and people were getting antsy
we had a big group of people soul wanting and
Just you know, but we were just hanging on by a thread with these churches
We're going to it was just like, you know how it is man. I mean
You're hearing lame sermon after lame sermon and it's just right where's on you?
And so at that point I was like, well, I'm just gonna move them, you know
never I think everybody was just gonna move to different churches and
I was trying to consider where I was gonna go and
Pastor Anderson made a video and it was like how does another other ways to start churches and
So he like explained the process of the satellite church and
he was I think he was start about to start faith for Baptist North and
Kind of was laying the groundwork a little bit to explain to everybody
Well, this isn't some new concept people have been doing this kind of church plant for a long time
And so that video like spoke to my heart like wow
You know, what if we did something like that up here and you know
Someone could stand in the gap here in Vancouver, Washington
Everybody wouldn't have to move, you know, we could have a church here
Kind of like that and and so I kind of figured pastor Anderson's church would be too far away to do something like that
but
Anyway, I called pastor Romero and asked him for his advice
About I said, what do you think about this? And he was like, ah, I think you should move
So, but he always says that you know, but you know
It was it wasn't bad advice though
I mean, it was still solid advice, but I called past I called pastor Menes and I was just like, you know
This is after the Orlando. This was like during the Orlando stuff. It was like right after it and
I just said what do you think about this? And I was like, I don't really want to move
I don't I don't want to leave
I don't want to let Vancouver Washington Portland, Oregon go to hell and just have nobody to stand on the gap up here and I said
What do you think about doing some kind of a satellite church and he's like, well, you know, let me pray about it
Let me look into let me watch the video and you know, and so, you know, he got back to me and said well
But you know, let's try it. Let's see what happens and I said I'd be willing to do it
You know just until yeah, it was kind of
It was kind of like I didn't I wasn't sure at that point whether I wanted to be the pastor or not
But I had a couple guys that we were going Brian Gallagher was one of them
He said what would you think about being the being a pastor up here? And I was just like, well, no, I mean, I
You know, he's like are you qualified?
I was like, well, I've never been horse and you know, I've been saved for a long time married for a long time
You know, I don't have not have the qualifications, right?
Anyway and then Justin's lawyer, which I think he saw his sports video remember I was showing you and
And
Yeah, that's great preaching right there
Yeah, so Justin he was like you just need to step up bro. So what's gonna happen?
He would say that he seems like the kind of guy based on his preaching that would say something like that
You just need to step up
So I had two guys saying, you know
And I was just like it's not like I've never thought about being a pastor before but I just kind of thought well
Maybe my times past. I'm kind of getting older and you know, so I
Can't say I was reluctant
I was willing
to do it and I was willing to be the guy that would lead it if pastor man has found somebody better or somebody qualified
And so the deal never was like I I'm gonna be the pastor
It was never set in stone that I would be the guy right willing to lead
until there was somebody or if I was qualified but
Anyway, I know the pastor like the first after the first weekend pastor was like, you know
I'm not saying you're gonna be the pastor. We said that we're pulling for you, you know, basically so
That was it was good to hear that from pastor Madison, you know
so that was pretty scary the first after the first weekend of the pastor Anderson preached and then
Pastor man is preaching and brother stuck
He came the next weekend and preached and then like I knew I was on my own at that point
It's like here it is, you know, it's your opportunity
Baker's slam, you know
But
That's kind of how it started. I mean
Now talk about learning under
pastor Roger Jimenez
And I think it's appropriate that he was the last guy I interviewed
For this series because we talked a little bit about you and the church but you know to me
I think it would be an invaluable
experience learning from somebody like him so professional he dots his eyes and crosses his tees and
Obviously knows what he's doing when it comes to the ministry and to my knowledge, you know
I would think that he helped you out a lot and gave you so much information that I'm sure you're using today
So how was it?
You know learning from somebody like him and then eventually getting ordained by Pastor Jimenez himself
And what I'm sure was an amazing moment. We'll get to that ordination specifically here in moments
But first of all, I just want to know your thoughts on learning under Roger Jimenez
Well, you know it was a great honor
I mean is you're like you said he does dot his eyes and crosses tees, but he's a very generous and humble and
Knowledgeable in the Bible. I mean he just got a lot of wisdom, you know, he's been through a lot
he's been through the bumps in the road and you know, of course going through Orlando is like
You know that whole thing was just crazy
But you know learning from Pastor Jimenez was you know
I'll never he's taught me so much and I was always able to call him and lean on him whenever I needed to
Excuse me, but
Yeah, I mean
Learning from Pastor mess. I mean that's like learning from one of the best pastors in the whole world
You know, I mean if you think about it, yeah. Yeah, I would agree with that
and
Talk about the ordination pastor you you get an opportunity
He lays hands on you. What are you thinking in that moment? You know, are you nervous?
Are you thinking well, this is just a formality
what are the thoughts that are going through your mind as you're being ordained as
Pastor and that cord is cut and the church you've been leading for the last several years
Really becomes yours in a sense that now
The buck stops with obviously Jesus Christ, but it becomes an independent Baptist Church led by you
Yeah, I mean it was kind of a surreal feeling to be honest with you
It was just you know, I mean, I remember just praying that you know
the God will just leave me and guide me and you know, I was just very thankful to God for the whole experience and
you know, I mean, I
Don't know how to explain this but like the ordination part itself
Like we were trying to figure out how would the best way to be because you know, I'm taller than him
So it's just a little taller
Goofy and he didn't either and so kind of before the service
I just like what if you just stand at the top and then like I just come up and
You know, you probably seen the pictures or saw the ordination and I just thought that that looked great
I mean that was the best way we could have done it and
Just I preached about this lot about the ordination process last night a little bit about how the hands are
You know, the hands are laid upon, you know, how Moses laid his hands upon Joshua. It's a biblical thing and
you know, it's like
That virtue is going out of that's that you know soul winning that spirit filled man of God and you know
It's power. I believe that you know that there's a transfer of power or something that kind of happens at that process
Which I can't explain
but you know, I just
It is it's hard to explain like the ordination problem like the laying on of hands, you know, it's like
You know, that's it kind of seals the deal right there
At that point of you being the pastor and it was just it was an awesome experience
The sermon was spectacular. I mean just sitting under that sermon before I got ordained was fantastic
I mean if you haven't heard the sermon you should listen to it. It's really good. So but he's a
Fantastic preacher and I want to be more like him, you know
I want to get to where I can preach like him at some point in life
As a pastor, so a long ways to go
Well, that's actually a great segue because I wanted to ask now about how you developed your preaching style
It's a question that I've asked several of the guests that are out here on this series
And you know one thing I noticed about you is you have your own distinct style if I'm gonna listen to pastor Aaron Thompson
I'm listening to pastor Aaron Thompson
I'm not listening to somebody who's trying to be
Somebody else or who's trying to mimic somebody else you have your own stuff and I appreciate that and I think that's you know
How it is in our movement?
Pastor Roger Jimenez is his own man pastor Steven Anderson pastor Donnie Romero and others
They have their own distinct style and it's an eclectic group of preachers. You're not gonna get you know, pastor major
You know, he's got his own style as well. So
How did you develop that how did you basically what I'm asking is how'd you get good?
I don't know. I mean, I just I just am who I am and I just study I study really hard
And it takes a long time for me to write my sermons
It's gotten where I can write them faster now, but I mean I I know that I've spent
Hours I mean
Six seven eight hours on just one sermon easily
I mean and that doesn't include the build-up to writing, you know, the thought process that goes into
you know, I don't know if you've read the teaching on preaching by Jack Hiles, but he kind of
Explains the process of how he says on son
He would sit down on Sunday night and just kind of gather his thoughts and say, you know, what does my church need?
And so I kind of go through that process every week and it's not because of Jack Hiles or because of the book
But it's just the way I do things so I think what does the church need to hear, you know?
What what would be a good sermon, you know, just things like that
And then I go through the week and I I just you know, I add
ideas to the thought process I have of that particular sermon and then I get like a
scripture
Set of scriptures that I want to read out of or preach out of
and I just build on to it throughout the week and
Then the day before or even sometimes the morning of it's bending on how busy I am. I write my sermon
so
But as far as the preaching goes, I don't know. I mean it was pretty rough at the beginning
I think it was you know, I just tried to preach the Bible and even if it's not good
at least you're getting some Bible out of it and
But
Like I don't know I want to be dynamic and you know, so I tried to be dynamic when I need to be and
You know, but I also want to teach the Bible I don't want it to just be you know
Some me just yelling and screaming because I'm yelling and screaming, you know, yeah, we're putting on a show or something like that
Yeah, I'm not putting on a show. I just wanna
You know preach the Bible and the things I get excited about I get excited about
You know
So I appreciate that it's genuine though
I mean
That's the thing is certainly that balance between being dynamic and teaching the Bible is something that I think
the pastors in our movement they've been able to strike that balance and
You know when it comes to that anger that you feel when you're preaching
Is there a specific doctrine that you would point to and say this one gets me most?
Pissed off. I mean, this is the one that I can't stay is it, you know
And I excluded when I sent you this question beforehand to kind of prepare you for this
I excluded repent of your sins because I mean that's come on that's about salvation
But is there any doctrine other than that one that you could point to and say I hate that one the most
Well, I hate the doctrine of people saying the hell most can be saved I really hate that one but
That one drives me nuts because it's either they can believe and be and still live in that sin and be saved because it's
Belief only or they're reprobates and they never were saved which that's what I believe
But the other one that really fires me up is the King James only issue now
I just preached about this last Sunday and
Say, you know like that
We're kind of the last stand against a lot of different things and we're the last stand against the homos
I don't care what anybody says unless it's some church
We never heard of but nobody is fighting against the homos like our churches are and the reason why I think that God's
Probably staying a lot of judgment because someone's still standing in the gap
Somewhere in America preaching against these filthy faggots and I hate almost with a passion. So
Portland is number two on the home work chart
So, I mean I have to see those filthy beasts all the time
I got this, you know, I mean they make me sick
but anyway child molesters
but the Kings right issue really bothers me because
There's a lot of Baptist that say they're King James only but in reality, they're not
You know and brother Joe hates, you know
the homos we keep he calls them the homos the
Original manuscript only us and I hate that too because they're basically saying that well
They're only preserved in the original manuscripts. Some people are King James only and say well, it's the best
Translation that we have in English, but it's not perfect, you know, or they'll say well Jesus didn't really go to hell
Hell means something different and they'll go back to the Greek or they'll go back to the Hebrew
And so they just try to explain everything away
That you know would be controversial
right, so they're really not like I believe our movement of churches is is
Really King James only and these people are these other people are pretenders like pastors that say oh
Well, you could get saved from a testimony or you could get saved from an NIV or you could get saved from a new King
James, I don't believe that and I think that first Peter 1 23 through 25 is very clear
It says that's how you know that the gospel, you know that you're saved from the incorruptible seed
Not the corruptible seeds
So the NIV was translated by some faggot and a bunch of other people that aren't saved
So that is an incredible scene. Yeah, I mean pretty plain and clear people go. Well, that's Jesus
Okay. Well, you know, you can't walk up to someone's door and say Jesus and somebody gets saved
I mean, that's ridiculous
It takes the Bible to be saved and it takes the perfect Word of God to be saved an incorruptible seed
Which I believe the King James is but you won't see other pastors and Baptist churches teaching this in fact
They teach against it
You know Rockman is King James only as he was supposed to be would sit and preach and say that people could get saved out
of other
Versions, you know these people that are anyway, I see you see how mad I get about it
I mean see I got you going on a rant now. Yeah, I know
But you know, it really pissed me off
So and you know, don't say you're King James only but you believe that other versions can save you because that's garbage
Anyway, absolutely agree with you pastor 100% and how about this one?
How about people who claim to be King James only but then you kind of touched on it with the Jesus going to hell issue
But then they believe doctrines that are propped up by false
versions of the Bible
For example in Acts chapter number two the Bible very clearly states that the soul of the Lord
Jesus Christ was not left in hell and according to us working James only we see the word hell there
So we just assume hell means hell. There's no two compartment nature
So what are your thoughts on those people who you know?
They claim to be they profess to be King James only but then they're propping up doctrines that are promoted by false Bible versions
And not the KJV
You
Did I lose you yeah
Connection oh, there we go. There you go. You're back. Okay. Sorry. It was like, all right
Like what am I gonna like the question?
All right
Think one of my kids is on the internet or something. My wife's like, yeah
So anyway
Did you hear my question yeah pisses me off because they think that you know
They'll just say well hell doesn't really mean hell right there
I mean and people you know Baptists it seems like that is one of the main things that they dispute with us again
Against it saying that Jesus went to there just like they can't you know, Jesus didn't go to hell
He's he said it was finished on the cross
Well, it wasn't finished because he had to go to hell and you know
Any anybody in the Old Testament all the sacrifices were were roast with fire?
You know explain how why that what the symbolism is of them being roasted fire
Well, the Lamb of God had to be killed perfect Lamb of God roast and fire, you know
I mean, I mean, it's pretty pretty easy to understand they just
They don't believe the King James Bible is the Word of God like we believe it
I guess is the only way I can explain that. I mean, they're not really fully King James only, you know
They're they're pretenders
I
would agree with that and obviously so then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God the Bible says in Romans chapter
10 you talked about the necessity of
Having the Bible in your hand when you go out soul winning to get somebody saved
That would be something you would think that other Baptists would agree with us on given that it's the foundation. It's a fundamental
Part of our faith, but that just shows you that
We're in the falling away right now with all the confusion of the false doctrine at least in my estimation
But let's move on to talking about the most challenging aspect of your job as a pastor now
I would think based on the the fact that you have to preach
Something at least, you know something topical at least twice a week
You have your Wednesday night or Thursday night Bible study, but you do Thursday nights, correct? What right so
To me that you know, I it would seem that it was it's kind of hard to come up with something
I could picture somebody starting a church and then after you get through your sermon on the
Reprobates after you get through your sermon on the homos the filthy beasts made to be taken and destroyed
You're after the trip your salvation sermons things like that
You get through some of those basics those distinctives that some would say set us apart from your mainstream
Baptist Church that you might run out of stuff. Is it hard to come up with topics?
No, I don't think it is I don't think it is hard to come up with topics and a lot of times
I just rely on God to bring me those topics. I'll pray and say God
You know if I'm even coming close to struggling with something to come up with I just pray to God
I said God will you give me something I can preach this Sunday that your people need to hear and then it always happens
So because you want to feed the flock
It's not about you being this big superstar YouTube guy with the comments and the subscribers
You want to feed the flock of God and that is the mentality
Pastors should have what is the most difficult aspect of your job?
Um, the most difficult aspect of my job is having to deal with people now, I know that sounds bad
Because I like dealing with people I love your friendly guy, that's the best part of the job at the same time
It's the hardest part because there's people that you know, give give you problems, you know
And it's the people that give you problems and really the people that have given me problems
They're not in our church anymore because I kicked them out. But you know
It's determining whether that person's a bad guy or not
That's the hard part and you know
I'm learning to realize that once they come and start giving you red flags right off the bat
But that's kind of you know, I mean once the flag goes up then it's like, okay
It's just a slow progression and to into the set, you know, the dis I mean some people are real easy to pick out now
You know, obviously we haven't had a Tyler Baker type situation where the guy just blended in or Dominique Davis or whatever
Those guys blended in really well Garrett
We haven't had that
But that that person that just digs in deep seems like they're one of us and then you know goes Australia
It's too it's too soon for that. Yeah, but I've had to kick three people out Wow
Let's see. Wait one two. Yeah, three people
three people out so far which isn't a lot, you know, pastor and she probably kicks out me on the week, but
I
Don't want to kick people out, you know what I mean?
But some people need to be out some people need to go and they're a cancer in our church
And you know right now we're freak free. So it's kind of cool. You know, I mean you can make free
I like it. Yeah, like weirdo free
There's not someone going and trying to preach some kind of strange doctrine to people as a that I know of right now
I try you know, our church is small enough right now that I pretty much know everybody when someone's gone
I know that they're gone. I miss them. You know what I mean? I
Got one of our guys one time. He was like I said, he's like you probably didn't even notice I was gone
I was like, yeah, I noticed you were you were gone. It's like I noticed this service this service
You know, it's like and I named the services he was gone
He's like wow, I can't believe that you knew that I was gone. I was like, of course, you know, so I try to keep my
Finger on the pulse of our church and I care about the people that's you're right
It's not about being some kind of star on YouTube or whatever. Well, I want to preach to our people, you know
And I want them to learn the Bible. So
One of the difficult things also is realizing that not everybody grew up in a Baptist church
So like when I first started I'm like I'm Baptist to the core, you know what I mean?
I've always been back once Baptist always Baptist, you know
Like when I got saved, like I said, I went right to a Baptist Church and I haven't left since so
He a lot of people grow up in different churches the AG churches the Assemblies of God
charismatic churches or whatever and so some people don't know how to behave in church and so you have to teach them and so
Our movement a lot of people that maybe don't know how to behave in church yet. And so sometimes
Trying to determine whether that person just doesn't know how to behave in church or whether they're a snake
It's kind of hard to determine
Well, it takes discernment I think that's part of the job
I would you know is that you have you have to have discernment to be able to read people to read
You know kind of file away red flags and things like that
But you brought up people not knowing how to act in church
I could tell you that there have been times where and it's really was nothing major at all
But there were times where you know, I made mistakes and it was because I was new to the
independent Baptist
world and I
Think what you have to do is you have to humble yourself and say hey listen, you know, I didn't know that
I apologize for that and
Move forward and take that correction with a humble attitude
Pastor as somebody who leads a congregation. Is that what you're looking for? Somebody who's willing to humble themselves? Oh
yeah, of course and
You know sometimes sometimes I feel like I've maybe have been a little rough when I
Probably should have just taught something instead of just like, you know, sometimes I'll just I'll get I'll get you know
pointed with people and
You know, I got to realize that not everybody was always been Baptist, you know
So like there is a way that Baptist like older church services and you know, not everything in the old IFP is bad
I don't think everything in the old life be as bad and a lot
You know a lot of the things that they still do are good
but they just
you know
But a lot of the people that are part of our movement or joint come to our church for the first time
They've never been to a church like ours and they've never been to a Baptist Church. They don't know, you know how to act
They don't know
Certain things that I mean, I don't know. It's it's just a little nuance. It's not a big deal
I mean I now I realize that that's the case and so it helps me to be a better pastor
Yes
did did you always have that name sure foundation in mind and
How did you come up with it? I didn't actually
Have that in mind. We had a lot of different people trying to suggest names for the church
My kids really liked anchor Baptist because they wanted I think they wanted to sing that song
We have an anchor which is a great song, you know
but
Bigfoot Baptist was one of the other alternatives
Knife point that everybody in our church every man in our church not
With a clip, you know, it's like our signature
so anyway, I think probably a lot of the guys in churches carry those but anyway
So actually my wife showed me that verse and I just she was what do you think about this name?
I was like, I love it. I love this name and
So, you know we got that verse out of Isaiah and you know love it
So that's stuck like I looked up church Google Church names with your foundation Baptist
there's one like in North Carolina and
They're really lame and weak but
Hopefully they shut their doors and we're the only ones love because it's right
Definitely not preaching right there
So anyway, but yeah, that's how I picked the name and I really liked it and
So that's how I came up with it. So when it comes to growing your church
Did pastor Jimenez give you any tips on that? Have you employed any different strategies to get a larger?
You know to get more people, you know coming in to listen to you preach
Is it more of do you do a lot of follow-up? I mean, what have you done?
To grow that church to what it is right now
Well, really we're the only game in town to be honest with you
I mean if someone doesn't want to move out of the northwest or they you know
There's a lot of people up in the Seattle area or a couple hours away that have just come to our church
We have several traveling families that come to our church and the traveling found a lot of those traveling families
They either moved here or they moved to a different church
but
Really, I mean a lot of the people that we have came from listening to the preaching of pastor
He meant is and the preaching of pastor Steven Anderson and the preaching of honor all these great pastors
And so when they find out about our church and they realize that we believe the same thing that that's a lot of the thing
that helps the YouTube presence helps but one thing that I
When people come I want to be super hospitable. That's one thing that pastor Jimenez taught me that I really
think is a big key to reaching people because
when people feel special when they come to your church like, you know, they like that and
It's not like it's a trick that I used to get people to come back
but I just I feel like you know, that's what pastor Jimenez was like with me and it got a
instant bond between me and him and you know the church family down there and
When someone comes three hours to my church
I want to take them out to eat or I want to spend some time with them somehow and
I think that being hospitable is a huge key to
my leg
But
Now we're called ours this week so a little construction heavy laden with construction. So anyway, I'm good now
But yeah, so the hospitality man, I mean that is a huge key and I think that
A lot of people have stayed and come back to our church because of the hospitality of our church
It's not just me taking someone out to dinner or whatever
We talked to people that come and visit and we spend time with them and the people in our church are very welcoming
So our church is very friendly
If anytime if you ever obviously you're invited to come whenever you want and come check it out, but I'd love to our church
Yeah, come on up man. We'll roll off the red carpet for you. But uh,
not trying to steal you from your church, but
But but anyway
Hospitality is a big part of our church and we're very
Still all right, brother Adam, so anyway
Yeah, that's just I mean hospitality is a huge key and I think anybody that's lacking in hospitality that wants to be a pastor or
Is a pastor, you know
I mean, obviously your church gets pretty big and you might have to employ other people to help you with hospitality
Right now I think you know, we're we're running about 90 people and
It's still maintainable to be hospitable for me. So
So that so you you have a good-sized group of people that have come to to listen to you preach and I would assume
Every church I've gone to in our movement is very tight-knit and the people fellowship
They love talking Bible
I even saw a video of the fellowship after one of your services where the people are talking about the scriptures
They're talking about the sermon. They just heard breach. They're talking Bible. They're having meaningful conversations
It's not just hey
Let's you know
Get out of here as soon as it's done and run to the buffet to talk about the football game the people love the Lord
They love talking doctrine
Isn't that awesome to see as a pastor seeing the people go into your church?
Just how much they love the Word of God. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah when I'm Blake brother Blake is one of posted that
he goes to our church and
You know, it was amazing and I mirrored exactly what we have at steadfast. Yeah
Yeah
and that was right after pastor America done preaching and he just kind of did like over 360 of the room and it's like that
After every service people have their Bibles open. Hey, look at this. What about that? Yeah, it's cool stuff
It is
Awesome, man. I can't say enough great things about the people in our church
very loving very giving very
Hospitable and they they want to know the Bible, you know, they're hungry. So and they're great
We have a hundred percent participation in soul winning. Wow, that is a
Laurel I like to rest on
That's good stuff. Yeah, I mean and you know
I guess I always try to say 99.9 because there's always that visitor that hasn't gone yet
But I mean people every person that goes to our church is a solar or trying to be one. So
amen
We love when we first started the church. We had several people that we had way more non talkers now
We have like it's hard to find people that are not talkers now
I mean and so I figure once everybody is trained up then that's when God's gonna bring the next wave of people our way
Because he builds the church
God's the one that builds the church. It's got nothing to do with me really
I mean, I just have to be a willing vessel, you know, and you know the people, you know, I don't know
I mean, it's just it's crazy how it works. I
Tell you what, you're doing a good job of selling it to me
I'd love to come there and visit some time go soul winning with some of the brothers there that you've got at sure
Foundation Baptist Church and of course listen to you rip face in your preaching
Let's round it out with this. What's the biggest misconception people have about pastoring?
Do people think it's easier than it really is are there components of it that?
Maybe men don't think about that want to join the ministry that catches them by surprise when they do join the ministry
What would you say is the biggest misconception about pastoring a church that you found out once you've done it for yourself?
People did I think I don't I think people that go to it to one of our style churches know how hard it really is
like nobody in my church
I don't think thinks it's easy because oh, I mean one of the things about our churches that I let them in preach there and
We have a lot of guys that can preach at our church a lot and I send them everywhere preaching and we have a
Ministry to
Assisted living and so we just preach very simple doctrinal sermons and everybody gets a chance. They're all in a rotation and
They preach something simple
but we got guys have been preaching for a long time and I'm sending a couple guys up to Canada to
Kick off the new building that we got up there. We already got a building going and
So we're gonna kick that off and that'll we'll start putting their sermons on YouTube and things like that
But the things that people think you know
I think that people get this conception that they just want to get up and rip face and they think that's all it is
You know, right your first of all your wife
House is a big part of it and I have a great wife
That's a big part of our church and she is a help me
Above lots of help mates. I mean she's great
She's a great counselor to the ladies, you know, because we got ladies in all different types of situation
We got ladies that are single we got ladies that have been divorced before and or ladies that are you know
Just having a hard time, but we also have ladies are married that you know, she just counsels with everybody
She takes time to spend time with those ladies
If you don't have a wife that's willing to jump in with you and do the work
You're never gonna you're never gonna make it
You're just not gonna make it and I'm glad that my wife has been a help
She if I didn't have her we wouldn't make it, you know, she is
You know, it's part of the package, you know, if your wife leaves you and your pastor
You gotta quit
Unless you're Ruckman and you have like 15 wives or whatever, you know
Your wife is a big part of it and you have to make he's on board for real, you know, that's right
well, if you want to be a pastor someday, you better pick the right wife because if she's
Like too delicate for the work
I mean, you know, she's got to be able to get her hands dirty and get in there and help out and withstand the
Potential for persecution that will come your way inevitably because of the nature of what you're preaching which is the Bible, right?
So and and people think that it's easy to you know, you have to be you have to be a people person
You have to you know
You're dealing with people that are half that have problems. We're all sinful
We all have our issues and if you're not if you just think that's just showing up and preaching and that's it
And everybody goes home. That's not
Pastoring, you know you think about Jesus having the lamb, you know on his shoulders coming back that went astray, you know
Pastoring is is a lot like, you know, it's a lot. Well, it's always mentioned as like a shepherding situation
You know, who did he pick he picked a lot of guys that had been you know shepherds for a reason because
They realize what it takes to be that person and we're expected to not just preach and rip face
And know the Bible and have great wives and have great kids and subjection and all those qualifications
But you know if you're not willing to be a pastor to your people then you're gonna have a hard time
And if your wife is not a people person and you are
You're gonna have a hard time
So those are some things I could say that we'll have a misconception about it's hard work it's really hard work
Yeah, and it was overwhelming to me in certain points. I thought there's a few times
I got a minute that I was like, I don't know man. I mean am I cut off for this?
but you have to face those waves as they come and
Then you know, you just gotta say I'm not gonna quit. I'm not gonna put it. I'm gonna keep charging through this and
It's hard, but you know, you gotta have the grit to keep going
You know Adam Fennan is not an official pastor yet
But he leads steadfast Jacksonville and as a friend of his I can tell you
There is a ton of work that goes into it
this is a guy who's working hours upon hours upon hours and
He's doing it because he loves the Lord and he loves the people that go to his church
it really is about being a servant and
Those who go into it like Tyler Doka that heretic false prophet piece of garbage who teaches that you could lose your salvation
He go, you know, he went into this got ordained by somebody who's not saved and there's even rumors that he wasn't even ordained
but my point is he clearly went into this to get fame and glory and
popularity on YouTube and others who undercut the qualifications do the same thing for that very reason and
They don't understand that this is not about the individual it's about the people it's about the flock of God
it's about being a servant and that takes
meekness it takes being able to humble yourself and I think only if you're able to do that, will you be
Exalted pastor. I want to thank you so much for your time. I know you probably had a busy day
But I appreciate that you came on here and you were an open book and you gave your story your testimony
How you started the church a little bit about you know, how you became the man of God that you are today
It was a pleasure to meet you at the marching to Zion conference
And I hope that we get a chance to fellowship again sometime soon
I thought we had a really cool discussion and you're certainly a great guy to hang out with
So pastor before I let you go
I wanted to give you an opportunity
To add something anything at all that we didn't touch on that you wanted to add or even any plugs that you wanted to get
There to the people I know you have some upcoming
Documentaries that you want the people to know about and things like that
But you have the floor any final words you wanted to say before I let you go
Well just to add on to what you were saying about having that servants heart
I was when I was preaching last night. I said, you know, Jesus washed his disciples feet and that's servant leadership
I mean if you went down and wash someone's feet, I mean that was the humility
That it can that it takes to be a good pastor
I mean you got to be willing to get down and and do the things and be a servant you guys lead by example and
It's it's a great example that Jesus gave us when he washed the disciples feet. I think about that
But yeah some shameless plugs. Um, well, I just just made a video about our upcoming
Trip to Hawaii for our missions trip to Hawaii. Now. I know that you might have saw that. Yeah, you saw that
So we don't have all the details but we do have the dates so if you are interested in going we're going
to Oahu and
There's some great areas of someone in there
We already have some people that are kind of plugged in that our locals there
And I want to you know, people always laugh when I say that I want to go to Hawaii
But for some reason I've never been there before but for some reason I have a heart for Hawaii and I don't know why
You know, maybe I just want to you know, I I really don't think I like flying on planes so
Is a six-hour flight, you know when I went to New York man, I was rough but anyway
I want to reach people in Hawaii and I would love to see a church like ours be started there
you know and
You know, I wouldn't you know, it's not gonna hurt me to visit there, you know from time to time
But you know people always laugh about you know, they all I'm called the Hawaii or I'm called the Tahiti
And I'm not saying I'm called to go there, but I would love to go there to preach the gospel
And so what this trip is is about also is a time for you to get away with your family, too
So what we're doing is we're doing half-day
Sowing like maybe four to five hours now, of course
You always get the diehards are like hey, if you're not going 12 hours, then you're not right with God
Whatever, you know, that's fine want to be if you want to go 12 hours a day, that's fine
But I kind of want this to be a family trip also
And so anybody that wants to go and just take their family
The reason why we chose this week is because it's the cheapest flights to Hawaii
During the year that you know, Ryan is like a travel master. So he knows everything, you know, so just ask him. Okay, but
The chip tickets are like 300 bucks or something right now to get to that trip
I mean, that's pretty cheap stuff to go to Hawaii. And so
We want to see people save there, you know, we want to see
People, you know get saved in Hawaii and I want to see a church started there
But we also we want to have a good time over there. So part of that good time
we're trying to have a Baptist luau on the last day and have like
You know, we don't want to people ladies and hula dresses and or you know, it's fine if they're in dresses
But you know, we want the top cover
But we want to have like a Baptist luau where we roast a pig in the ground on the last day and have like a
great church service there and
Saturday would be kind of be a free day and if you want to do some so one in the morning
We'll have some apps for that too. But we want to just you know, we want to hit it hard
But we want to have some fun. So
Nothing wrong with that. And then brother Ryan is going on his trip with brother norm
And brother Evan from our church. I was trying to find the dates for that
But they're going all over the world the globe. Yeah, they're doing let's see. It's
November 14th or 6 is that is they're going to Denver for the flat earth conference
so
review these
So called famous flat earth people and they're gonna go there and film some stuff there and then November 14th, or excuse me
November 19th through December 2nd, they're going on their unto the uttermost trip, but they go to 13 countries
Seven
continents and 13 days and they're gonna be doing soul winning and then also gathering data for our film
Which is upon the circle the flat earth exposed. So
That's really the main things we got coming up
You know, so that's my shameless plugs as far as that goes pastor minutes
he's coming up to preach on the 16th and he's marrying my daughter and
to a guy in our church named Brandon and
so that's gonna be the 16th of 17 pastor minutes will be here so and
Yeah, so that's kind of the main things that are going on right now
So a lot of cool stuff going on at sure foundation Baptist Church that Hawaii trip
Definitely
Interests me and I you know, my wife would love to go to that
She will flip out if I tell her that I plan on going she looks Hawaiian
So she'll probably fit in and certainly it's she's not at all Hawaiian by the way, but she looks at
Like at the Congress, she had like a flower in her and she was like she came up
She was like, I'm so excited about the whole Hawaii trip. I'm trying to get my husband to go
she would love to do it and
So, you know if I can get the days off work
Which I'll start working on that as early as I can
I think that you might see Ben the Baptist hop on that bandwagon and go to my first ever missions trip in Hawaii
So I guess I'll never get to live that one down people make fun of that
Make fun of me for that for all you first trip to Hawaii, huh?
It's like it's kind of like a foreign country though
If you think about it, if you people are afraid to go on a foreign missions trip
If I'm not saying it's what it is kind of the culture there is so different than it is in the mainland
I mean, it's a lot about respect. I work with a guy from Hawaii and they're
They just do things different. You know, if you get mad at some work you beat him up after work, you know
It's just you know, it's just completely different. So the foods different
It's almost like you know being in a different country with some of the cultural things. So
But it also you don't have to have a passport to go there
It's the United States so you don't have to have a passport
It's like going on a foreign missions trip because it's far away and it kind of gets your feet wet
For you know getting prepared to maybe go on a foreign missions trip. That's it. That's it. That's what I was thinking
It's a great way to get your feet wet to go on those foreign trips
Which obviously I have an interest to do that as well pastor
Thank you again for your time and appearing here on the preacher profile series
That's gonna do it any last words for the fans listening tonight
just you know, thanks for for listening and God bless you and if you ever want to come out you have a
Red carpet invitation to come visit our church and see what's so special about your foundation Baptist Church. So thanks again
Brother Ben for having me on I appreciate it
It was my pleasure and I definitely enjoyed it pastor Aaron Thompson
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Preachers who are ordained and qualified
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Commanded us to do when he said going into all the world and preach the gospel and he preaches hard against him
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God bless. I heard something. Maybe I'm just going crazy
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