here we are back live 1340 a.m. with Lucas Zahn and Mike Heywood this is
love guns and freedom just to let you know guys you can listen to any of our
shows on the internet in the archives go to their website lovegunsfreedom.com
we have a special guest I mean this guy really it's a guy that inspired me a few
years ago when I saw YouTube of him there are a lot of things is a pastor by
the way I don't want to call it this guy is a pastor is a church and we will tell
you right now more about himself and we bring to the shows to the show here
people that we agree people we don't agree sometimes I agree off sometimes I
don't agree but there are a lot of things I agree with Pastor Anderson I
think he has a great spirit the spirit of freedom a spirit of Bill of Rights
there are some other items that I may disagree or say I disagree but that's
gonna be part of interesting interchange we have here so I really
like mr. Anderson pastor and just let me put them live
pastor Anderson how you there yeah I'm here thanks for having me on hey thank
you by the way I really appreciate you know you have no idea when I watch your
video a few years ago of the electrifying moment I called it with you
know with the border patrollers Homeland Security was exactly the gentleman give
you that yeah the guy who tasered me was with the Arizona DPS wow even worse
than we know even federally our own state scumbags there so please let's
before we introduce you as from a spiritual point of view let me introduce
you as a point of the American that who understand these rights who wanted to
stand stand for your rights and you stood for your rights so much that you
got beaten up face and also charge and you still fought till the end you were
found not guilty let's give a little bit of a refresher to the listeners
exactly what happened and when happened the situation absolutely yeah I was just
driving down the road coming home from work like I always do between Southern
California and Arizona and I was coming down the interstate 8 and it was you
know about 1030 at night and I got stopped at one of these Border Patrol
checkpoints but they're not on the border they're like 75 miles from the
border and I was traveling from west to east I had not even crossed the border
and they stopped me at this thing and they wanted to search my trunk because
they said that the dog had alerted to them that there were either drugs or
bodies in my truck well turned out later in the trial it came out that the dog
had never alerted but that was their story you know they basically lied to me
and said that the dog had alerted I never saw the dog alert so I asked them
to bring the dog back out and show me and they they took the dog away and
never brought it back so we had a standoff for about an hour and 15
minutes where I was just refusing to let them enter my vehicle without a warrant
so after an hour 15 minutes the Arizona DPS Highway Patrol shows up and they
said you're under arrest and I said what am I under arrest for they said for
failure to obey me right now Wow so that's what you see on that short video
the two-minute video he says you know failure to obey me right now and they
basically told me if I don't come out of that car they're gonna bust into my car
and I told him I said fine if you're gonna violate my rights and break into
my car then go ahead and break in my car but I'm not letting you do it I'm not
letting you into my car so they acted like they were gonna bust out my
passenger window so I was just thinking okay fine break my window whatever but
what they actually did they had another guy hiding at the back of my car ready
to break out my driver's side window right by my head so they told me to
cover my eyes so that I wouldn't get broken glass in my eyes really it was
because they didn't want me to see the guy coming at me from the left yeah so
they shattered both of my windows at the same time shot me with a taser which I
also did not see that coming they shot me with the taser and I was electrified
for 22 seconds straight which is a pretty long time you know if you count
it off one one thousand two one thousand yeah 22 seconds straight after
I've been electrified for a few moments one of the Border Patrol thugs grabbed
my head and slammed it into the little broken glass mountain range that was
left over from where they had busted out my window and he just sort of ground my
face into the broken glass just ground it into that jagged edge and there's
pictures of it online where you can see the jagged glass just covered in my
blood in the shape of my head so he just basically just shoved my face in
that broken glass I could just feel that glass just cutting into my brow while
I'm being electrified 50,000 volts then they swung open the door rolled me onto
the ground stepped on my head electricity was still flowing and
finally after 22 seconds they shut off the taser and I hear them all yelling to
me get up get up get up so then I you know stagger up to my feet and they put
handcuffs on me took me back to the Border Patrol trailer and then when they
put me in the trailer they started mocking me and laughing to me saying oh
you thought you were gonna win well we won this time and they're like you thought
you were gonna put this on YouTube but you're not gonna put this on YouTube
because we beat you this time and the reason they say this time is because I
travel through these checkpoints hundreds of times going to and from work on a
weekly basis and when I did so you know I would always just when they would ask
me questions I would just not answer them because I was just exercising my
Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights but every other time they just let me go
this is the first time that they just would not let it go yes by the way how
can let a slave rice your head and then you know you start to spread this sort
of freedom that we supposed to have and other people may take the example
from you and that's very bad president that's why I think they wanted to set an
example with you because that cannot happen anymore in the new America you
know Fourth Amendment it's gone in their books that's why I say you know I have a
lot of respect for you because as a human being as an American there you
knew exactly you were outnumbered alone and you stood by the principle that for
me you have right only if you're ready to stand for your rights not because
somebody writes somewhere that you have rights you have rights only if you are
not afraid to stand up and that was a perfect example of course you had some
sort of a very hard times because you had to go to the hospital and more
important you were charged with a crime right exactly yeah I went to the
emergency room and they stitched up my head and then I was charged with failure
to obey an officer it's a felony and I was also charged with obstructing the
highway which is stupid because they're the ones who stopped me and told me I
can't leave yeah question did you go I would ended up this criminal charges I
mean you went to I know I ended up but let's remind to the listener you had to
fight all the way you didn't plead guilty you fought all the way right yeah
and here's what's funny if I would have pled guilty I would have been like a
$400 fine yeah but instead I spent like 10 grand on a lawyer to beat the thing
yes so bait but basically in the end we actually got a jury trial which was kind
of an act of God because they don't even give you a jury trial anymore
unless it's like a felony yes and and you know what that's all that's wrong
because in the Bill of Rights it says in the Sixth Amendment that all criminal
charges did get a jury trial over six amendment over $20 correct right yeah
well that's the Seventh Amendment Senate amendment said over $20 for civil
disagreement yes and then the Sixth Amendment says for all criminal trials
jury trial now a lot of people will say this well you can't just have a jury
travel trial for every little thing but here's what I say to that Luca it's such
a little thing why are you even arrested me for exactly exactly you're right you
know by the way I would like to put I mean oh this video already probably
millions of people watch it but for the new listeners or for people that maybe
had the first time heard about you you gotta watch this because this video
looks like for me something I may have shot if I was going to be to China in or
North Korea or maybe I don't know Russia not anymore I guess they're
pretty much better off than us right now anyway so you gotta watch this I will
upload this video exactly on love guns freedom calm in this today shows where
there is also the photo of a pastor Anderson so people need to understand
what takes today to exercise your rights takes a lot of faith I believe that and
also a lot of courage because we are in this dimension and we are still made of
flesh and bones and hurts to be taste 24 seconds or so that's an experience
that many people may have be dead I mean if you have a weak heart you may kill
you and and then of course taking the courage to defend yourself in front of a
jury with judges and lawyers and a money that you had to pay me not everybody can
do that that's why I say I give a lot of respect to pastor Anderson first of all
as an American to stand for the bill of rights and is exactly what we need to do
more of us Mike has a question Michael go ahead did you say this was right on
the border was this a few miles in inside the border this was actually 75
miles from the board so it was not it was not at the border at all 75 miles
away where does the border patrols are they allowed to do that that far in or
is that in there well they they are actually allowed to patrol anywhere in
the United States I used to live in Sacramento California and the Border
Patrol would drive around in Sacramento California but which is nowhere near the
border but as far as setting up a checkpoint like this they can do it
anywhere within 100 miles of the border so because they were 75 miles you know
they're within that hundred right and they're called constitutional free zone
and been sarcastic here they created sort a hundred miles from the borders
you are pretty much in nobody's land this is not America anymore you are in
this sort of a new constitutional free zone that they can pretty much avoid
every type of bill of rights I mean they can say get up on your car and we have
an excuse a problem they have their own reason now you must comply otherwise
you're gonna be taste and you know that people might not know this but majority
of Americans live within that constitution free zone yes you're right
yeah that's exactly right because it includes along the oceans as well yeah
exactly pretty much the most of our population lived you know on the East
Coast in that zone or west on the southern border California yeah you're
right so that's my point guys you know this is another proof that the land of
the free Omo the brave unfortunately is way gone unless we take it back and we
becoming pretty much the land of the field on the slaves I'm telling you
because everything it's a fee everything is pretty much is under color of law in
my opinion now let's talk about you as a pastor this is a the first time I found
about you wasn't about you as the American standing for your rights now
let's talk about you as a person that the spiritual person that also your job
your mission in this life is to spread the word of the Lord tell me exactly how
you started your your your mission in being a pastor when when did you start
to do this well I started pastoring eight and a half years ago but I've
actually been a Christian you know since I was six years old and I grew up
reading the Bible serving the Lord and I just I've been pastoring now for eight
and a half years and you know my main mission about that is you know preaching
the gospel of Jesus Christ which is that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our
sins he was buried he rose again and the Bible asked the question this is another
this actually is another viral border patrol video I have is the one where I
try to give the gospel unto the border guard he basically he just wants me out
of there somebody somebody upload a video to YouTube called the fastest way
to get through a checkpoint uh-huh and it shows me Paul my Bible and try to
give him the gospel and he's just like I feel but I asked him the question you
know that the question that's asked in the Bible what must I do to be saved and
they said believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved so
according to the Bible to be saved we have to believe on Jesus Christ it's not
based on how good we are because we're all sinners you know the Bible says as
it is written there's none righteous no not one so none of us is good enough to
go to heaven it's just it's through grace you know that Jesus Christ has
died for us if we believe on him we'll be saved okay but other than that you
know I've been that's that's the main message of the Word of God and the Bible
but here's the thing the Bible also talks a lot about issues of freedom and
issues of government and unfortunately most Christians today ignore the Bible's
teachings on government and on freedom and instead they just kind of go with
like a Republican Party type of a teaching on government okay whereas I
believe that the Bible you know has everything that we need about all
subjects including you know government freedom political issues as well okay so
I preach on these type of things as well and one of the first things I like to
point to is that in Ephesians chapter 6 it says for we wrestle not against flesh
and blood but against principalities against powers against the rulers of the
darkness of this world against spiritual wickedness in high places yes so right
right there the New Testament tells us that we are in a spiritual battle
against the rulers of the darkness of this world and spiritual wickedness in
high place and when you look at the people that are running the US
government today I believe that that verse applies to them I completely
believe that because at the end of the day you know even though we're in this
physical dimension you know we have made of flesh and bones I this is something
happens to me the last few years before I was just looking at the material
things you know okay this is good there is evil there is that laws that is my
freedom there is my rights now this is about the final goal is to pretty much
conquer your soul I believe that now even just because we are in this
physical dimension we are fighting also more important a spiritual battles this
is my personal interpretation sometimes in life we've been given the chance to
say or do something regardless the odds of winning that battle or that situation
but we have to side we need to decide that you're going to be with a good or
siding with the evil we have that choice and sometimes even just being silent
happens that you say okay I'm just saying Monday my business if you're
silent me you consents and for example sometimes you know there is a things
that happen in this world and they think they may be bigger than us for example
okay there is a these illegal wars that they are not even worse they are United
Nation international police force like the Iraq conflict that millions of
innocent kids people don't want to talk about it but it being killed I mean if
civilians okay I wanted I need to speak up about it because the moment that I've
been silent in that room when everybody is pretty much cheering him up and if I
don't say something I believe that I've been guilty too and that's with many
other things if I talk about for example 50 millions of unborn children they were
killed without even having the chance to defend themselves in the wombs of their
mothers the last 50 years or so and if I don't speak up against that I feel that
somehow I am giving my soul a way to be complacent to that type of for me sin
that's the way I look at that what do you think about this yeah I agree with
you a hundred percent you know when I was growing up my mom always taught me
silence is agreement you know when somebody said something and you're
silent you're agreeing with what they're saying exactly and if if we look at the
Bible there are rulers of the darkness of this world yet many Christians will
call you a conspiracy theorist if you point that out yes yet in scripture we
see that in the book of Daniel it talks about you know demonic forces running
the the country of Persia and it talks about an Isaiah chapter 14 that Satan
was was running the kingdom of Tyre and Zidane in the Old Testament and so I
believe that the men that are put in power today over a lot of our
governments are actually under control of the devil and they are bringing about
his plan for a new world order which has been prophesied in the Bible when the
Bible clearly says in Revelation that someday there will be a one world
government and that there will be a one world religion and that there will be a
cashless society where people instead of paying with cash they will have to have
the mark of the beast in order to buy or sell and it's going to be in their
right hand or in their forehead and the Bible says no man will be able to buy
or sell without this mark now you know thousands of years ago when the Bible
was first penned down people were probably wondering how that could even
be implemented because people could always just use coins or cash but what
it is is that they're getting rid of the coin they're getting rid of the cash and
it's going to be a thing where you have to use some kind of an electronic option
to pay using your right hand or your forehead and the Bible predicted this
thousands of years ago exactly we are living exactly in the in the very
interesting spiritual times that I believe really that even if somebody is
not religious does not believe not even religious they're not a faith because I
don't think even religious there I think you must faith is different from
religion from my point of view the point is evidence if you read this book called
the Old Testament and New Testament Bible regardless your religious belief
you will see there are a lot of things that scientifically is proven that
they're happening and at that point you know I'm not here to preach but all I
can say is this it's all is not just another bad man or powerful people that
wants to take your money or want to take your Liberty I believe this is the end
of the day they want to take your soul but my point is another one now let's
look a little bit about first of all our government is being used in churches for
controlling us not just today this is pretty much happened since ever this is
coming from a former I'm a reformer Catholic you know you I used to be when
I was born in Rome you become automatically Catholic and when I grew
up I was even 10 or 11 I never liked the idea to bow down in front of any man
call me crazy but I don't believe in theocracy I do not believe that another
man is as the power that I supposed to submit and kiss his ring it's wrong in
my opinion and top man's they are not God okay they're just human beings so I
refuse to be a Catholic I came to America and I started to find my own new
spirituality in Jesus Christ without middlemen that's the way I look at this
but I realize that there are many churches especially lately in America
they're pretty much 501 C correct me if I'm wrong and pretty much they are under
the control also Homeland Security what is that duck where are you pastor
Anderson where I know what that was that was weird
they would never heard that noise before anyway so tell me a little bit what do
you know about this government plan from Homeland Security they were later sent
to all the different pastors they pretty much work with the government try to
apply Romans 13 to control the the flock okay in case of an emergency did you
ever heard anything about it absolutely have I heard about it and not only that
but I can verify that it's true because I actually when that first started
happening I was going to a Baptist Church at the time that was a big
Baptist Church okay it had thousands of people in it and at that time our pastor
was called to go to Washington DC and he was all excited he's gonna go meet the
president and he went there with a whole bunch of other Christian pastors from
all over America and mainly the ones from the biggest churches you know
because they want to influence the most people and they were called into a
meeting with George W Bush himself Wow and and they were told what they needed
to preach and and how they needed to go easier on homosexuals and how they need
to they need to back up you know what George Bush is trying to do in his
administration and he told them I'm a born-again Christian I believe in Jesus
Christ you know but I gotta play politics you guys gotta support me you
guys gotta help me out with it and these guys were so star-struck that who
they get to go get the president that our pastor came back from that meeting
and was praising Bush and saying oh I looked into my his eyes and he's a
Christian he's a godly man and you know what Bush was just as evil and satanic
as Obama yes but these pastors were deceived by Bush into thinking that he's
Christian when he's not Christian whatsoever and the funny thing is that
you know Obama getting elected was almost one of the best things to ever
happen to America because at least people are waking up because you know
when British was in office he did all the same thing as Obama and the
Christians were just asleep at the wheel I agree at least now that Obama's in
office at least people are waking up yes I agree I remind all the fellow
Republicans that they are freaking out about the National Defense Authorization
Act or some other executive then you know tyrannical powers that this
president is doing let's not forget about the Patriot Act let's not forget
about other bills that the Bush passed and or just executive order this is just
a continuation of the same plan and yeah I would like to say you know mr. reborn
Christian I would like to ask to mr. Bush president Bush how can a Christian
go to the Bohemian Grove and bow down in front of I don't know many 50 feet owl
mr. mole I mean God Moloch and worship this freaking idol how can a Christian
can do that and when only the other Christian would see that this is not a
conspiracy there are videos out there few but there are evidence and proven
the last 50 years presidents they've been going there most of them and
worshipping this a human sacrifice the mock of a human sacrifice I wouldn't
give even the key of my used car to drive around the block to a man like
that that the warships these are these idols called Moloch that by the way it's
it's an entity it's a devil it's it's it's a demonic entity so now we have a
serious problem people needs to wake up they need to stop thinking about between
phony left phony right Republicans or Democrats unfortunately the top level
it's all control the last thing we have in my opinion is each other and God if
you believe in God and talking about God let's talk a little bit about first
of all your church you have is faithful word Baptist Church that's the name of
your church exactly yeah church is faithful word Baptist Church I started
it from scratch in my living room I was sent out by an independent Baptist
Church to start a church in Phoenix okay I started in my living room eight and a
half years ago now now we have about 125 people come on Sunday mornings okay and
we have about you know 70 80 90 people on the Sunday night and Wednesday night
services and you know I preach the whole Bible I don't just preach a
political message that's a very small part of my message because I'm reached
the entire Bible yes but I never shy away from political subjects because
they are covered in the Bible so it's definitely you know I'm not one of those
pastors where all I talk about is politics and freedom and liberty but I
talk about it as much as the Bible talks about it and I'm not afraid to talk
about it and I preach sermons directly calling out Bush directly calling out
Obama and preaching what the Bible says our government should be like okay
perfect I like to go into some details because I like very much I know things
that first of all you can help us out to understand from your point of view for
example Romans 13 we know that was one of the best part of the Bible the New
Testament used by people like Adolf Hitler or at least tyrant that they
would like to use religion to control the people there's been different books
written about Romans 13 the interpretation can you please tell your
version of what is your interpretation of Romans 13 that in your opinion this
is not something supposed to be used by government because if anybody says okay
we must follow our government because Romans 13 says so you should follow also
Hitler you should have also Mao Zedong or every other tyrant out there what is
your interpretation of Romans 13 for the fellow here's the thing about Romans
13 they're missing the whole point of Romans 13 because in Romans 13 the Bible
actually gives us a very clear definition of the purpose of government
and why God has even ordained human government and it says that government
is for the punishment of evildoers okay now an evildoer the word evil in the
Bible we think evil does mean bad but evil actually means to harm another
person in the Bible that's what evil means so basically when God said in
Romans 13 that he set up government for the punishment of evildoers he's saying
he's punishing those that harm other people and and that would be things like
you know theft murder adultery just basically things where you're you're
violating somebody else's person or property you know you're assaulting
somebody you're stealing from them or whatever okay that's the purpose of
human government God did not set up human government to rule over every area
of our lives God did not set up human government in order to rule over the
church he did not set it up to rule over what goes on in my home he set it up
basically to punish criminals that would hurt other people and harm other people
but now we have all these crimes that are victimless crimes you know it has
nothing to do with punishing evildoers it's just they're just telling us what
to do putting us in prison because we did not you know pay taxes or we did not
you know or somebody smoked pot or whatever and now I'm against smoking pot
I believe it is a sin to smoke pot you know the Bible does command us to be
sober the Bible talks about drunkenness and I you know I feel that drugs are a
similar thing that God will want to stay away from but here's the thing I believe
that all drugs should be legal because that's not the purpose of government you
know government has a specific purpose ordained by God in Romans 13 and it does
not include you know regulating plants it just doesn't make any sense no
understand but when it comes to how they twist it mm-hmm the Bible is telling us
that we need to respect the powers that be we need to respect the higher powers
and you know children are supposed to respect their parents and obey them
we're supposed to respect human government that punishes evildoers and
so forth but it's not saying obey everything the government tells you to
do no matter what exactly and then I was you know I'm not a scholar like you I'm
just trying to learn and I tried to almost you know study from scratch
because whenever I was born in Italy I grew up in Italy are you in a chicken
coop I like the sound effects great well I for example I remember you know Paul
at the end of the day he was beaten he was put in prison he was of course again
his head was chopped if it was so much of a government kiss but okay I mean if
it was such a compliance to complete government it would have happened that
to him the guy who was completed the opposite of what they're trying to make
a look the guy who was denouncing oppressive government I mean he was
there he put his line his body on the line he was beaten imprisoned if it was
such a government complete serve like they trying to make a look like Romans
30 you must obey the government to the government me that wasn't Paul correct
me if I'm wrong you're right in fact all of the apostles were always getting
beaten and thrown in jail by by government officials all throughout the
book of Acts exactly you know and the whole story of acts is one prison story
after another of people getting arrested and beaten but you don't see pastors
today getting arrested beside you yeah but I'm saying you know they don't get
persecuted because they want to go with the flow they don't want to speak out
exactly the Bible people spoke out and they did get arrested and so forth but
man I just wish the people would read the Bible because it gives a layout of a
very limited government okay and if you think about it the Bible is not really
that big of a book I mean you can hold it in your hand right yes but the law
books of the United States of America would fill an entire library yes even
just one law Obamacare itself is longer than the Bible yes just Obamacare is
more pages than my Bible has paid for you know that's one law and they have
millions of laws you know the state laws the local laws the city laws the you
know now the global laws but you got the national laws and people think that God
has too many rules but yet God has a lot less rules than our government yes
Michael want to say something go ahead yeah pastor have you heard of FEMA
recruiting pastors to prepare their flocks for martial law oh yeah
definitely and and don't tell me it's a conspiracy theory because like I said my
pastor ten years ago was called in to me with Bush letters have gone out I've
seen the letters that went out for the clergy response teams for FEMA it's real
yes it is real and people all you have to do listeners Lisa this is all factual
things go online you can google it you can find by the way mainstream network
news talking about it you can see the hard copy letters out there this is on
the open right now you know this is not anymore the time that people want to
make fun about conspiracy unfortunately are very close to very interesting times
pastor pastor Anderson we are here live with him on 1340 a.m. on the love love
guns and freedom people say well you know this is love and guns and freedom
what it really has to do with religion first of all we're not just talking
about religion I believe that by the way that part of freedom is to be able to
express our own First Amendment and amongst that also religion so that's the
point you know because I have a lot of Lisa that they are agnostic or they
don't believe and that's their choice I'm not here to preach you but tell you
something that's part of freedom to be able to express ourself now the sound
effects here what's going on in the back yeah you're chopping wood so that's okay
but that's my point is interesting background past I would like to ask you
about one thing now first of all the New World Order the global government what
do you think the role of the Pope especially the latest Pope you know that
we have here I mean they have there in Rome that in my opinion is more than
what is supposed to do is a trespassing the physical and economic point that is
supposed to just take care about the soul and instead is coming to economics
is coming down to redistribution of wealth and it's coming down to this my
opinion of almost the global a religion what is your opinion about this new Pope
that it's out there yeah you're absolutely right but see the Catholic
Church historically has always been about political power because if you
look through the Dark Ages they were ruling over the kings of the European
countries and they were exercising a lot of political power instead of doing
what they should do is a deal with religion they were actually more in it
for the money and the power and they still have a lot of money in power and
you you you nailed it earlier when you talked about not bowing down to a man
the Bible commands is not about ever worship any man and any time in the
Bible somebody bowed down to Jesus's disciples they always picked him up off
the ground and said do not worship us exactly so yet the Pope allows people to
bow down to him and the role that the Catholic Church and the Pope is going to
play is that is that basically he has a billion followers and when the
Antichrist comes as the Bible says he will point his followers to the
Antichrist even the word Catholic means universal and so this universal
one-world religion that's coming this one world church you know Catholicism is
gonna be a big part of that and it used to be that Catholics were not considered
Christians by most Protestants or Baptists or evangelicals but now if you
go to an evangelical Christian bookstore they sell Catholic paraphernalia they
sell pictures of the Pope so we're starting to see a uniting of all
religions in preparation for this one world religion that's coming so that's
another prophecy yes you know they're gonna be wrong you know I respect
everybody till they don't infringe on my rights you know honestly I'm not here
to tell people what to do what to say what to believe the only thing I always
say whatever you believe I am okay until you don't have your belief something
that is going to infringe in my rights because for example if I want to go
specific okay when the people call the religion of peace okay they're talking
about the mr. Bush used to call the religion of peace and that if you read
the book of the religion of peace they if you don't agree with them they chop
your head as simple as that or you have to pay a DMA tax I have a problem with
that because there is a conflict with our Constitution Bill of Rights with
some sort of religious if anybody else wants to do whatever they want to do is
fine all I care that they respect other people rights that's for me the generic
law from a point of no even a religious point just from a point of American
person that I want to live in peace risk with a respect for myself and other
people rights now talking about a little bit of I have some interesting
topic that I think people may love to hear more it's about this documentary
that I watched and I was so pleased to found about that it was about a pretty
pretrib myth or this sort of a different you know churches they believe in the
pre-tribulation after tribulation whatever and I see there is a documentary
that I was able to watch I really enjoyed I support all to this type of
information because I think it's so important it's called after the
tribulation directed by my friend Paul Widenberger and you are pretty much the
main one of the main voices there can we please briefly giving a little bit of
an understanding to the listeners what's going on with this pretrib movement and
why you think your opinion this is a fraud absolutely historically
Christians have always believed that in the end times there's going to be a
period called the tribulation where Christians are going to be persecuted
the Antichrist is going to rule over a one-world government and there's going
to be the mark of the beast but in the 1800s this fraud was developed called
the pre tribulation rapture that basically teaches that we are going to
be taken out of this world through the rapture before you know any of the bad
stuff really happens so we're going to be just going along our peaceful happy
life and then boom we're taken out of here before all hell breaks loose and
this pre tribulation rapture is believed by probably 90 some percent of
evangelical Christians and what it does is it teaches them hey don't worry about
these geopolitical events don't worry about the fact that we're losing our
freedoms don't worry about the fact that Satan has taken over our government
hey before the persecution comes we're going to be gone anyway we're going up
in the rapture now let me say this the rapture is a biblical teaching found in
1st Thessalonians 4 but the Bible is crystal clear that the rapture takes
place after the tribulation after the Antichrist has issued the mark of the
beast and all that the Christians are not prepared for what's coming the
documentary after the tribulation just destroys the preacher rapture it's
filled with Bible verses it's filled with information and and I can't see how
anybody could watch it and still believe in the preacher rapture in fact there's
a movie that really promotes the preacher of rapture preacher pleasure
after it's called left behind yeah and it was like a B movie that was put out
in the Christian community but now they're making a Hollywood version that
comes out this October with Nicolas Cage is starring in this new left-behind
movie and this movie will indoctrinate the masses with the pre-tribulation
rapture mmm okay that hey Christian don't worry about we're all going to be
gone don't worry you know don't worry about what we're government God get
things out of here before that it's a lie and base and ninety-some percent of
Christians believe in this stuff of evangelicals and Baptists and and so
forth so basically our movie after the tribulation is more important than ever
with this new Nicolas Cage film coming out yes and out this week we were in Los
Angeles with Paul Wittenberger and we actually recorded a Spanish version of
after the tribulation that's going to come out in a couple months excellent
gets to get this out into the Spanish-speaking world three hundred and
three hundred thirty million native Spanish speakers to warn them about the
new world order and that's going to come out a couple months perfect by the way I
would like to remind everybody this video is so important regardless that
if you are Christian or not because the bottom line they're trying to use
religions and organized religion to dominate us and to try to keep us some
sort of a passive okay so if you have a chance go to a frame in the world dot
com and you can see the the video it's after the tribulation and there is also
other interesting video like a little mentor is like a new world order Bible
versions the book of Revelation pastor Anderson is in them and also it's a
great job of information you can of course verify you may agree or not
that's not the point but I think there's a lot of truth and we must do
our own research because this is so important it's not just about your type
of domination on this planet they want to pretty much take your soul I believe
that regardless which religion you're in okay so go please to framing the world
calm I also will put the link and try to look at also YouTube you can find on
YouTube after the tribulation please check it out now let's talk about things
that you know as I said we don't need to agree on everything and I like you as
a human being I think you got courage and I like also your interpretation of
many parts of the Bible and call me maybe I may not be a perfect Christian
but I a couple things that I may not agree with you let me tell you where I
am here right now first of all is it something nice interesting little juicy
controversial I'm reading this news from the Christian post controversial Arizona
pastors sparks anger by saying saying guys should be executed is that true
pastor and as you think the gay should be executed in your opinion absolutely
but that's simply what the Bible says okay some people basically say that
they're a Christian but they don't necessarily believe that the Bible is
the Word of God okay there are certain parts of the Bible that they're not
gonna agree with but I agree with the whole Bible cover to cover and that's
what the Bible says okay so let's say that first of all I will have you know
thankfully and my opinion is of course you know we have a religion one side and
we are not like a theocracy so we still have a different type of standard and
maybe this is my opinion may be different from yours is my opinion I
believe you know if the gay let's say is doing something moral against the Lord
it's not my job as a human being okay to judge I left this to judge to God
because the point is when there are two people adults okay over 18 consensient
there is no violence there is no coercion I don't want to let's say
legislative morality okay this is something that if there was of course
let's say a violation of somebody else rights like a minor a kid or somebody
that was not able to understand and a force was used that's different but two
people they're already team and there is no violence no coercion I let that at
that point their morality judges by God humans should be out to respect each
other rights that's the way I look at this and I'm glad grateful that that's
where the society will live right now and I'm not saying that we are not going
through a moment of morality that is pretty much destroying the fiber of this
country that's another problem but I think you know that's your
interpretation I'm glad you're here and I like to be upfront with everybody you
know I don't agree on this one but that's good that's your opinion and
that's why I like a talks because you know we have pretty much the opportunity
to have everybody's opinion here that's the point so let's talk about something
else I enjoy another part really that is it alright if I just explain the
rationale of why the Bible says that and why I agree with that go ahead please I
love that because the way that you just explained it right now I totally see
where you're coming from because like I even mentioned earlier hey you know I
think drugs are sin but I don't think the drug should be illegal or you know
if all sins were illegal we'd all go to jail every day because we're all sinners
right you know yes so I do agree that there should be a difference between you
know morality religion and and political government but the reason why this law
is in the Bible about homosexuals is because what you said about two
consenting adults who just love each other yes homosexual that doesn't exist
that is a myth of Hollywood and a myth of the television because if you even
just go to the Center for Disease Control website and if you even just
look at just scientific studies that have been done of the homosexual
lifestyle yes they will tell you that monogamy does not exist amongst
homosexuals and that the average homosexual has had sex with over 500
partners okay so TV will show you hey this is just two men who love each other
this is just two women who love each other when in reality according to the
the fact the science they're having over 500 partners okay each understand not
only that but every single time the Bible talks about homosexuals they're
always raping someone or molesting someone and here's the thing every
homosexual I've ever known was a rapist and a pedophile okay that's an end that
is what is covered up by the media is that part of the homosexual lifestyle
mm-hmm is molesting children and gays more than anything they want to have sex
with children and so that's why God said to execute these people because these
they are violence people and Romans 1 clearly teaches that homosexuals are
violent people who will molest others and rape others okay at least I don't
want to speak for others because I wish I if I was a gay I would say probably my
opinion but I don't have that type of background so I cannot speak for us I
would love maybe somebody's a gay can call in and give their own experience as
a person that they don't have time I wish we would need more time here for
this topic but I say something I don't want to generalize on everybody because
maybe it's true that their statistics may be what you say but I also want to
write that first of all forget about love as a physical act of a physical
sexual activity that understand may be against the principle Christianity but
still as a point if there is no violence there is no coercion that's supposed to
be no a crime for me maybe in the front of the Lord could be something moral but
in front of our laws we should not be we're not under the Taliban that we
should be stoned just because somebody wants to have a sexual relationship with
a man or a woman that's my opinion and I wish of course that maybe some gay
friends that would listen and I would call in with respect we can have an
exchange of ideas here that's what we're trying to do but my point you know I'm
glad that you explain your point of view I as I said you know I'm all you
think I say for me if somebody's over 18 and you are in your own place you know I
don't want to I don't care if you're man and woman if you do in front of my face
I think would be wrong if you know your privacy in the way that you nobody get
offended nobody gets infringed on other people rights they should be able to do
pretty much whatever you want and the Lord is gonna be the final judge that's
my opinion well that's true because here's the thing if if they were doing
it behind closed doors and nobody thought or knew about it then this
wouldn't even be an issue but the where it becomes an issue is that they are
cramming it down our throat they are doing it publicly and look if I believed
like you that there were homosexuals out there that are just two people that love
each other and blah blah blah then you know what I could totally see where
you're coming from but I just encourage the listeners to do their own research
on the statistics look at the science look at the statistics and then look at
the Word of God and you know I believe that these people are you know demented
violent sick perverts and that's why God said that they should be executed not
because he's trying to legislate morality but because he's trying to
protect us okay it's frankly normal people are just attracted to women all
right normal men are attracted to women any guy who's laughing after another man
is a is a is a sick pervert I just encourage people to read the scripture
for yourself and research it's okay if people don't agree with me but you know
what the facts are facts you know look at yourself next show we gotta do a show
all about gay or more sex again listeners can call in and they're too
busy having sex with 500 people yeah exactly I mean they're not gonna find
time for so I can do was the pastor Anderson we are live here on 1340 a.m.
and as you can see we have a still a little bit of freedom of speech in this
country I'm pretty pleased about it I want to thank the radio for this and now
let's talk we almost ready to wrap up here you know past I want to give you
the chance to pretty much say a message short message before we close yeah you
know my message is this I believe in freedom of religion if people want to be
an atheist be an atheist if you want to be Muslim be Muslim but let me say this
though the Bible does teach neither their salvation and any other for there
is none other name given among under heaven given among men whereby we must
be saved and so the Bible does say that whosoever believeth in him shall not
perish but have everlasting life so our salvation is based off whether we
believe on Jesus Christ or not that's all it's based on okay if people want to
reach you do you have a website or an email they can maybe ask you questions
so you can help them out with them yes absolutely the website is faithful word
Baptist org you know they could just Google faithful word Baptist Church
faithful word Baptist org that's probably the best place okay perfect
Mike any other question before we let them go just are you still being
harassed by the Homeland Security in any way not anymore the IRS like kept on
auditing me over and over again they're auditing me for the exact year that I
that I stood up against the Border Patrol they audit my business they
pretty much put me out of business and you know they've harassed me every way
possible but actually it's been pretty quiet here for a while so let's praise
stay quiet mr. pastor thank you very much and I would like to have you again
maybe next time would be nice you know maybe I can find a couple of gay
listeners maybe we can exchange some ideas so would you like that what do you
think I'm here I'm just trying to bring different voices and I think we are
still a civil society and we have a First Amendment and I think in a civil
way in without you know be violence we can express our opinion and I love to do
it on the air so everybody can make up their minds yeah right thank you very
much pastor please don't forget to go to watch the documentary that we were
talking about and say again the name of the document you did several
documentaries yeah after after the tribulation is the one about the rapture
and then New World Order Bible versions talked about where they're changing the
Bible to promote the New World Order that's another good one thank you
pastor talk to you later okay Mike that was interesting that was a good
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differences we are all in dangers to become slaves we already pretty much
there so I say please let's be nice to each other let's try to help each other
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