I'm simply talking about you know a slap on the backside or something's wrong you take their hand and you're and you smack them on
The hand don't do they get that again
You know a little bit of discipline well one man well also be talking to in a moment is pastor Stephen Anderson now
He's from Arizona. We spoke to Stephen last year, and he physically disciplines his children with a paddle. Yeah, kind of like a table tennis
Racket eating you know the path of small paddle. I'm very interested to hear what you think of his parenting methods
I love the kids are both
That's it. You need some discipline
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And I want you to set then in a text either yes or no
Because as you know burn out as our calling next year for the government to bring in an outright ban on
Smacking your kids in the home or in public
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Do you think that parents should discipline their children is there anything actually wrong with that?
If you think it's okay, there's nothing wrong with it, but it just obtained every now and again. Did you know harm?
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I want to go to the line one first of all I do want to talk to pastor Stephen Anderson that good afternoon to you
Good afternoon. Thanks for having me on how are you great? Well? I'm saying afternoon of course because in Arizona now
It's over three o'clock in the afternoon isn't it exactly it's two o'clock
All right, Oh two o'clock. I apologize all right, so a lot of people are gonna say you know
This kind of went down with the Indians as we say over here. It's an old saying cliche
This went down a long time ago. We live in the real world now
It's a very modern world politically correct. You can't be smacking your kids or slapping your kids
Do you believe it's okay to slap your kids?
Absolutely you know times may change for some people, but for a Bible believing Christian
You know the Word of God never changes and the Bible's real clear it says in Proverbs 23 verse 13 withhold
Not correction from the child for if thou beatest him with the rod
He shall not die thou shalt beat him with the rod and shall deliver his soul from hell
So this is a command in the Bible just as much as the Bible says thou shalt not steal or thou shalt not kill
It says thou shalt beat him with the rod about your son
And so the Bible is real clear that we as Christians should be physically disciplining our children
It doesn't matter what the rest of the world's doing
Yeah, you're gonna take that literally you know beating him with a rod that sounds pretty
You know pretty tough isn't it for a young child of maybe four or five?
I am assuming you don't beat your child with a rod
But you do take a paddle give me an example for it
But you know the last time that you would have disciplined when your children well
Obviously the discipline has to be appropriate for the age obviously a very small child needs
Light discipline you know compared to an older child, so I'm not talking about using a bunch of force on a little tiny child
But for example you know one of my children has given a chore to do
They don't get it done
You know we catch them maybe playing and fooling around instead of doing the job that they were supposed to do
They're gonna get a spanking. They're gonna get they're gonna get physically disciplined
And what age group are you talking about there because I know you got a lot many kids a couple that you got a lot
Of kids I've got seven and the eighth is on the way
Okay
Congratulations
Okay, but I mean the teenage age group
Let's say you know 12 13 years of age right that be it boy or girl it by the way
It's a different form to discipline for boy and girl or does it matter now. It's pretty much the same thing
You know what's good for the goose is good for the gander, so
Mm-hmm, okay, so how would you discipline your you know your 12 13 year old if they're not carrying out their chores or helping around?
Well my oldest is 12, and so I would I'd give him a spanking I basically take off my belt and give him a spanking
It's that simple
So you take your belt off, but then yeah, that's why that's why you're never gonna
You're never gonna see me wearing suspenders because I have seven children and so
You know that one of them needs to get spanked from time to time
Okay, and how many I know I'm trying to get a kind of image of how you would do this
For our listeners of course would you put them over your knee would you put them over the the sofa or and how many?
Spanks would you give them with the belt?
You know I probably just have them bend over the bed or maybe just bend over the sofa or even just stand there and just
Maybe three three four swats with the belt
Mm-hmm and what they accept that do they accept that as you know I've done something wrong
I deserve this and they just get on with it then do they accept that of course absolutely and in fact
One of the reasons why
Spanking is such an effective form of discipline is that it's immediately over with you know with other forms of discipline timeouts or groundation
You know the punishment drags on and and there's a lot of bad feelings between parent and child
But with a spanking you know you fix the problem you get it over with and often
I'll spank one of my children, and you know 20 30 seconds after getting a pretty hard spanking
They're they're laughing and smiling and everything's fine because you know the the problems been corrected
And we can move on and I noticed that parents who don't use physical discipline
They often get very angry with their children
And they're more likely to yell at their children and and and get angry and give them a really long lecture
which which is actually bad for the relationship between parent and child this is just a
Quicker easier way to not only punish, but then immediately forgive and move forward
But but in another case that you're the adults and you know and you should withhold your anger if your kid like my look
I three kids. I know what it's like raising kids itself. You don't get a manual for them, okay?
They don't come with a book, but but in saying that there's been times where I've been so tempted
You know just you know when they're cheeky straight to your face
You almost feel like you just want to slap them there, and then well you don't you hold back you restrain yourself
You're the adults you're the intelligent one, and I basically take him by the arm up to his bedroom
You're off your Xbox for the rest of the afternoon. You know I mean does that not work as well
Well, I definitely agree that that we need to restrain our anger as adults
we should stay calm and collected and and
Sometimes that's easier said than done
You know and when you have a child that's that's rebellious and disobedient and mouthing off and you have no recourse
You have no way to fix the problem over time you could become frustrated and lose your temper
Whereas if you have the recourse to spanking you can solve the problem the child's behavior is going to improve
You know this whole thing of taking away the Xbox. You know withholding of privileges
First of all my children don't even play an Xbox in the first place
You know my children don't just rot their brains on TV and video games all day
You know so that wouldn't work in my house because we don't have a TV or video games so
This whole thing of just withholding privileges. It doesn't work. It's not an effective form of discipline
What do your seven kids do for entertainment? I don't get me wrong. I don't believe that these games are necessary either
I mean there's times I often get a bit frustrated by that whole thing that they play video games
But we do have restrictive times that they're allowed to play them for a certain amount of time per day
And that's it out of the weekend. Maybe a little bit more, but in saying that I mean
What do your kids do for entertainment if they don't have TV? They don't have games?
They don't do what other kids are doing essentially. What do they do well?
They basically do the same thing people have been doing for thousands of years before these things were invented
But we have great weather in Arizona so our children are playing outside a lot
They're riding their bikes up and down the street
They're swimming. They're running they read books. They play with toys. I mean they do all kinds of things
There's a lot to do besides you know watching the idiot box
on the idiot box
Is it that much of a bad influence on them Steven? Yeah, well not only is it a bad influence
But it just makes you stupid. I mean reading books my children spend a few hours a day reading books of their own volition
I mean they want to read they love reading and they have all kinds of
Books that they read for fun
And then they have other books that they read for their schoolwork
And so they're gonna end up a lot smarter spending a few days
I'm sorry a few hours a day reading than spending a few hours a day. You know watching spider-man at Spongebob
I don't think anybody would dispute that
Our mighty sorry spending over on the stage exactly and I don't want my children being influenced by that either
All right, okay, well look. I want to take a few calls this if you want to give us a call pastor Steven
Allison there you go you heard it from the man's mouth. He said discipline is no harm doesn't do his kids any harm
They're playing they're acting the fool ten minutes later again. They're all friends again
He believes it's a better form of discipline
And it's a form of discipline that unfortunately or fortunately depending on in your opinion seems to be outdated
Nowadays and people believe that maybe this is what's wrong with society that we're not disciplining our children enough
Well Steven says we should be he takes his belt up and gives them a couple of lashes
So to speak with his belt over the sofa over the bed
I'm asking you quite simply is that a good form of discipline is he right?
You want to give us a call you can the number is eighteen fifty four ten four ninety four now Roy
You kind of kicked this topic off Roy when you called into today's show and said that you believe this was lacking in society when?
We talked about this ADHD. You said the kids were badly behaved and weren't being disciplined
right
Let me stress now first that I was never slapped about the head and I wasn't given the belt right okay
this was the last resort I get and
It should be
Issued by my mother because she's a look do it one more time and when your father gets home
Okay, so she had tried several things up to that point. Yeah, okay, so this wasn't the first thing that happens
Get off the bat. Okay, so but bold it'll Roy wouldn't listen
You know there were times
But you know someone would say oh my god today, they'd say GCC and he got a
Just days you had too many sweets, or you were a bit hyped up
Or you know you were trying to impress someone who is you know hanging around in your house?
Which and how far you could push your own mother off something?
You know it's do this they played the backdrop in front of other people right why have you got kids now?
No, I don't okay
If you have them the nieces of all my friends of kids, and I see this behavior
I'll tell you a little story. No, this is just a funny little story
My buddy his son is five and
He does the M. He does the timeout thing okay minute and his walks
95% of the time says don't you room for five minutes?
He comes up after the five minutes with a big long face on him
And he has he waits basically for his father to smile at him right okay?
He knows he's forgiven. He knows everything's in the past right now
If he's very very bold, and he comes up after the five minutes, and he doesn't get the smile. He knows he's on a trade
He knows that he could be sent back down now. He was sent back to him one day for just being stubborn and
His father went down a couple of minutes later. He said it's very quiet
I'll go down and have a look he went down and in passing his own bedroom on his way to the trails bedroom
He saw the little boy on top of his bed peeing on his bed
No, I shouldn't laugh. No, I laughed when he told me. I said to him, what did you do? He said a bustle person
You know well I can only imagine what Pastor Steven Anderson would do if one of his children was peeing on his bed
Fair enough. Well Pastor Anderson that would be a bell's off job wouldn't it?
That would be the bell's off immediately if one of your kids peed on your bed
If he's intentionally peeing on the bed if he's doing it on purpose absolutely
All right, I mean I believe that you start and it sounds awful
But you start training at about three and at three you just say look
There's a punishment for this and the punishment is a naughty step and when you say you're going to do it
You have to follow through okay, but what about what Steven is saying that you know we have lost basically
Well a lot of people he hasn't because he's got seven kids and he believes he's wearing them properly and
Very differently to weigh the way many people might wear their kids, but look sure they're his children
He's quite entitled to do what he wants to some extent
But one of the way he brings his kids up they do something wrong even 13 or 14 years of age
Bent over his knee bent over the sofa belt off and a few lashes
Well my view on that would be at 14 you've lost the battle if you're still in the same position
I believe you start at three and by the time of five or six that child should believe what you say
Now I understand they don't have an Xbox or TV or whatever. Most of the kids we'd be talking about
They have something they do not want to live without
So if you start at the age of three and you get up to four and five and six and then they have a little you
Know a little handheld computer things and they have all these things. They don't want to lose these things
These are privileges. It's what they are
Once they realize that if you say to them they're going to lose it if they believe that
That is a punishment. They know what the consequence is. No, I would always
Have a smack and I mean it now smack the head a smack on the ass
But is that not just the same as what he's doing the only difference is is he's using his belt or a paddle or something
Rather than his hand. Yeah, I wouldn't use anything other than do you think what he does is wrong?
I think you can sort of control your hand in the sense that you can sort of control you can make more noise
Than issue pain if you like that has to be the last resort
Do you do you agree with what he's saying a child on the face? Okay, but Roy do you agree with what Pastor Stephen Anderson does?
Pardon me. Do you agree with his form of discipline?
Not entirely
Okay, wait, wait just wait there for second and that's right listen hang on say they want to go to Jane and go away Jane
You're on classic. It's how are you?
How are you?
Yes, Jane, you've been away for a good while. Obviously. I haven't heard you in a long time of the year. There you go
How should I miss everybody?
Jane you've heard the pastor Stephen Anderson said he's got seven kids
He believes he's brought them up. Well, but it's you know, we have to discipline a kid that says it in the Bible
I don't know why he's quoting the Bible about it, but that's a different matter
But I just like to ask him how often in general does he need to discipline children that way?
Well, there are seven of them. So somebody's getting disciplined every single day
Obviously the older they get the less they need to be disciplined because they should be learning something
So they get disciplined less and less the older they get
So do you honestly think that beating them like that then is working if you really sort of discipline them when they're younger in the daily basis like that?
Well, it's absolutely working. I mean anybody who you know, like you say that
From your mistakes kind of things, you know, like do you even sort of explain some why they're getting
It's like what I call people know
Well, you know when an explanation is is necessary, but honestly nine times out of ten
They know why they're getting it a day. You don't need a big explanation about it. And is it working? Of course
It's working and anybody
Anybody who knows my family would see that my kids are very happy. They're smiling. They're well-behaved. They're very good
I'll take them to a playground and they they make instant friends with all the other kids on the playground that they've never met
They're well-adjusted. They're happy. They're friendly. I got spanked as a child
Steven would you say your kids are afraid of you?
I wouldn't say that they're afraid of me
But I would say that they fear me in the sense that they have
Respect for the fact that I have the power to discipline them and that I'm the boss
So in that sense, yes
What I'm trying to say Steven is my mom used to discipline us, but we were small, right?
You know, if we were really cheeky that we'd get the smack and the bum and all that
But what I'm saying is what the reason I was asking you that was that we learned that the look was enough
Yeah, my mom didn't need to constantly hit us because we learned from
But the way you're talking that they're not really learning any less
We thought that and I'm talking my mom used to give me a smack with her hand and the bum or on the hand of
that I'm not talking about using a paddle or
You know like you don't get me wrong. I believe in disappointing children and if they are really
If things aren't working or that maybe
If they're doing something dangerous and they're not listening to you maybe a smack in the hand or a light tap the bum is the right way
But what I'm saying is my my kids know, you know
If they've overstepped the boundaries and need a look for that or just raising my voice a bit to them
I don't need to physically go and use a paddle on them
So I don't believe your children are really learning
Yeah, I mean there's a lot of people texting in you know, Steven saying, you know, what's over here I see a question
Do you discipline your wife the same way you discipline your children? Probably a stupid question, but you're obviously that's you know
That's what everybody wants to try to twist things and spin things around. We're talking about disciplining children
We're talking about marriage here
Here's the thing I'm getting from all the callers is it seems like they're comfortable with spanking with the hand but not with the belt
Paddle but here's the thing. It's actually a lot safer
It's actually a lot. It's a lot safer to discipline with a paddle or a belt
You're much more likely to injure the child by mistake if you're using your hand
Because your hand is not very effective for spanking and so, you know, you might accidentally, you know
Hit them too hard or injure them using you know an object like your hand that that's more of a thudding type of an object
Then just giving them a you know a crack at the belt or a slap at the paddle
You're much more likely to effectively discipline without doing any harm or injury because obviously I have no desire to injure my child
I'm just trying to to give them some discipline so that they will get their behavior right. I remember Steven
You know Steven when I was a kid
I remember looking at my bedroom window one night and I could see the bedrooms at the back of me of the houses of the
Back of me and I seen a father who was well known in the area for being an alcoholic
Well, everybody knew that there was domestic violence in the home and I don't mean in relation to the kids
I mean relation to his own wife as well. He was beating her and stuff like that
Okay
but I remember one night the light was on the bedroom and there was two kids in the bedroom and he came in and
Exactly, as you said I seen him taking off his belt and starting to, you know, whip the kids with the belt
And I thought that was the most terrifying thing that I had ever seen at that age
I was about 12 or 13 and I remember looking at that and my father didn't do that
I got a belt of his hand every now and again
But to see somebody being beaten with a belt, there was a video on YouTube and viral a while ago of a judge
Do you remember that video a judge and his daughter? I think she was 13 or 14 years of age
and I think he ended up getting charged in the United States where it went viral all over YouTube and he was
basically slapping his daughter with a belt
And people were disgusted and appalled by it because it just seems so torturous. Well, but there's a big difference between
calmly and moderately
Spanking your child on their backside with a belt and a man who's coming home in a drunken rage
Swinging his belt indiscriminately at his wife and kids as they you know, cower and duck in fear. Obviously, that's a completely different situation
I'm sure there are all kinds of videos on YouTube of somebody being abusive or beating someone in a way that's inappropriate
but there are also plenty of examples of
Millions of Christian parents who you know calmly and collectedly and lovingly
Give their child a
Spanking on the backside with a belt not out of anger not out of rage
I mean nine times out of ten when I spank my children. I'm not even mildly irritated
I'm just spanking them because it's just something that I have to do
It's it's not that I'm just in a rage and and this is how I vent my anger that that's a bad way to discipline
So, you know, it shouldn't all be lumped together
Mm-hmm
Okay, hold on a second I want to go to Darianne Darianne you're in Dublin
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It's at Nile Boyle in 4FN. Sorry Darianne. Go ahead. Yeah
No, just just not I missed there and if the pastor disincentives his wife
I'd like to hear what he said to that. Well, no, he said obviously he doesn't he's talking about his children
Yeah, but hello
Hello, what was his answer when he doesn't he said he doesn't
Well, all I gotta say is I don't believe for one minute
That it's like when he said earlier that he disciplines his kids and he takes off this belt
His leather belt and you know, he smacks them
There's no way he does that without anger because if a kid did something that didn't irritate you you would not take that step
To control your child and I think he is absolutely disgusting
But is he from Austin in Texas? He's from Arizona
Arizona. Yeah
It's like back in the dark ages and I'm sorry and I don't care what he says but how dare he take a leather and
belt and
Say that's just smacking his children and I'll tell you one thing
I'd love you to read, you know
keep this in the archives and go down the road when his children are grown up and ask them how they felt when their
Father and they don't have respect for him. They are living in fear of that man
I don't like him to chance me on that one because it is disgusting and you know what really gets me the fact that he
Says he's doing it in the Christian thing. That is all here. Give me a break now
I'd love to hear what you have to say. Okay, sure
we don't have to wait until my kids grow up because
Me and my brother and my two sisters are all grown up and we were all spanked as children
We were spanked with the belt
We were spanked the same way and I thanked my parents for spanking me so that I didn't grow up and and become a criminal
Or or an idiot, you know
It's it's it's the discipline that I got growing up that helped keep me on the right path
And so I'm very thankful to God that I parents that love me enough to discipline me
And real quick, let me just let me just throw one. Let me just throw one
Could I just start I see them both here for a second
I just got a fight to me because he is in Arizona at there was a very very slight delay on the phone line
Okay, so by interrupting somebody, you know, Darian, unfortunately, it's not work doesn't work for us tonight. So
Just finish what you were saying going on. That's it
I just wanted to go to a quick Bible verse to back up what I'm saying because she said the thing that made her the
Most upset is that I'm doing this in the name of Christianity
Well Christianity believes that the Bible is the Word of God and the Bible says he that spareth his rod
Hated his son, but he that loveth him chaseneth him betimes
So according to the Bible if I don't use the rod to discipline my children
I hate my children and that if I love my children, I will discipline them
I will beat them with the rod as the Bible teaches in the book of Proverbs. It's that simple
There you go, Darian, the Bible tells him it's okay to do it now that's even that's actually after making it worse
I mean, I cannot believe I mean, I don't know whether you want to tell me what age he is
I'm 32 years old. The Bible is is is much older than that. Oh my god. Oh my god
Oh my god, right. I have a son here younger than you and I can tell you one thing
He's two girls and he lives in the States and he lives in San Francisco
and I know for a fact that my son would not pick up his hand and
smack his kids no more than his wife would and
To say that because your father did it and you the thing that that really gets me is the fact that you said
That your father did it and you didn't grow up and I forget what words you used and I didn't like it
I raised my two kids on my own after my marriage broke up and they were very young
Seven and three and I can put my hand in the heart
Thankfully and say as a mother I never put one hand to either of those kids because I had ways of
Disciplining them without having to go to abuse
and
my kids grew up as
absolutely pillars of society and I'm very proud of them and it did not have to be the fact that and I can tell
you there were times I felt like it's because they stretched me so
Much because when you're on your own as a mother and you're trying to do mother father everything finance everything
But I would not let it happen and I am thankful that I never did but to hear somebody like you saying
That because your father did it and you're thankful because you turned out. Okay. No, I'm sorry
I don't believe your kids are going to be okay. Okay. Well, hold on a second
I gotta take a break and Steven. I want you to stay with me
Absolutely during the break the number is
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Hi just a quick quick break so that one or two, okay, it's even you're okay
Thanks
Okay
Disciplined in the family home that comes in from John lots and lots of text going in there at the moment
I'm asking what a simple question
Pastor Steven Anderson has said no problem at all
I will discipline my children take off a belt if I have to a paddle whatever needs be he has seven children
He's 31 years of age busy man
Yeah
And he said we need to discipline our children because the Bible tells us it's okay to do it and we don't do it
Well, then actually we're breaking the Word of God really aren't we because the Bible tells that we don't do it
We don't love our children
I'm asking you because Bernardo's of course the child safety organization or child protection agency
I said they want to bring in lots of stop us from smacking your kids or stop you from smacking your kids
I'm asking is it okay, but Pete pastor Steven Anderson does you know beating his child went up?
Sorry, not beating spanking his child with a belt. Is that okay?
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I've been talking as pastor Stephen Anderson who still with us and he believes that I suppose we've lost the run of ourselves because we're not
Disciplining our children he disciplines his seven children by means of using a paddle or using his belt
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Them if you want to give him a call you want to talk to him or you agree with him or you disagree them
You're welcome to give us a call right now. The number is
1850 410 of 494 but at the meantime
I want to know how many people actually agree with him and so far. I'm quite surprised actually
Well, maybe I'm not surprised after today's conversation
But about 62% of people are actually agreeing with him now
I think the last time I had Stephen on about a year and a half ago saying something similar you all disagreed
That's amazing that people change their minds all of a sudden. The number is five three five double four is the text number
Do you agree with pastor Stephen Anderson? Okay, some of the text coming in. I'll read some of the nastier ones out for us
He sounds like a tyrant to me
Children need disciplining but his strict method is a step too far
No person says the Bible was written by man and not God
Would you tell this guy his kids fear him and don't respect him?
Did he fear his parents or respect or love them that comes in from Emmett and Kent Turk?
No person says what the pastor's religion
Does his wife who gave birth to his children have a say in the matter regarding the slapping with his belt?
I'm repulsed and completely outraged that comes in from Roisin
Does a pastor does your wife ever, you know, dole out the discipline? Oh
Yeah, absolutely
In fact, she doles out more discipline than I do and what's funny is that when I first met my wife
My wife is actually from Europe. She's German and when I first met my wife
She was completely against spanking because she grew up in Europe and was taught that it was wrong
but after she became a believer became a Christian and read the Bible then she completely did a 180 on it and she
Is very strongly in favor of spanking in fact, you know, she's stricter than I am if anything
That kind of tells you that what Christianity does to you, doesn't it? It turns you into
It turns you into a person who you know walks after God's Word and not after you know
The methods of this world and so obviously reading the Bible is going to change your viewpoints on a lot of things if you believe
That it's the Word of God
Okay, somebody said well you asked the pastor seems he thinks disciplining his children are okay because it says so in the Bible inverted commas
Does he also hate gays inverted commas and support slavery just because it's in the Bible?
Well, I do hate gays because that is in the Bible, but I do not support slavery
In fact, the word slave is not even mentioned in the King James Bible one time
So this idea that the Bible supports slavery is a fraud
The word slave is not even mentioned. Where does that notion come from in the Bible that it says that it's okay to have no
I don't know the exact quotation
I'm not somebody who studies the Bible but it does say at some point either in the Old Testament or New Testament
That you can have a slave as long as they're not from the same country, doesn't it?
Well, it comes from a misunderstanding of two things number one
There's the concept of a prisoner of war becoming a servant or a slave and then number two
There were people who would sell themselves as servants for a temporary period of time either three or six years
So that was like somebody's in debt up to their eyeballs
They can't support themselves. They can't pay off their debts. They don't have any food. They could indenture themselves temporarily
But it was illegal for that person to be your servant for more than either three years or six years. So
News wouldn't be very good for you pastor if you were living in Ireland because they've just announced yesterday actually should I say
Our tarnished which is like our Secretary of State so to speak has announced that we're going to be having a referendum on
Same-sex marriage, so I don't think you'd be too pleased with that
I'm pretty sure it's probably going to go ahead with a big yes, but that's probably not going to please
Your kids if they said we're gay would you discipline your child at 16 or 15 if they said I think I'm gay
Yeah, that's a that's a ridiculous question because my children would never say such a thing because I don't I don't believe in this this
Lie that people are born that way
It's been proven to be a fraud even science has proven that to be a fraud. For example, there's a study recently on
Identical twins and they looked at
thousands of identical twins and
to see whether you know if one of them were a homosexual would the other one also be a
homosexual and and it turned out the results of the study if one of them were a
Homosexual the chance of their identical twin being a homosexual was like eight or nine percent
Which obviously that shows that it has nothing to do with genetics because identical twins have virtually the same genes
So obviously there's a choice there it has nothing to do with genes or else there would have been a 90% chance
Okay, okay
Absolutely your your your kids are never going to come to you and say they're gay
Of course not you'd be horrified wouldn't you buy that very tall? I would be horrified, but it would never happen
Okay, well sure, you know, you never know see what am I come knocking on your door Nick you're in cork
You're in classic hits what you want to say Nick. Hey, how's it going? Well, I'm a Christian myself
from a different perspective
Not to show what what what?
At the basis of on the Christian police sport. We love our new covenant and the new covenant degree faith in the New Testament
Jesus is coming to show love and show passionately
No, I don't hate gays. I don't treat them differently. I see there's a sinful nature, but you ever all sinful
Yeah, we all we all have we all have our own failures, but
Oh
My god, please thank you a little younger and I hate it a time
But yeah, I think we wouldn't know when they respect it at the time
But I think about what love these be shown in the household
We should accept when you when you when you set a standard of love
Everything changes like I know
Yeah, I got thanks, but it wasn't a spank
It changed me who is late in my father's attitude to voice my bad behavior was what changed my heart
But what changed my perspective at the times and I don't want to see I don't want my dad be mad at me
I don't want my parents be sad or upset of
Okay, so you didn't want to disappoint your parents. Yeah, exactly not going to love and
The behavior comes into that as well
For the pastor. He's talking those have put back in progress and taking the rudders like that
That's going back to the Jewish standard like we're not living on the Jewish law
We're living on
Respect to both you because I know you're both questions about the greatest backward. It's 2,000 years later
I think mankind has moved on a little less, you know from those days
I mean, let's be honest pastor in those days. We will be John Christians to the lions, etc, etc
We have moved on mankind itself has moved on Stephen
To
You call it moving on you know, I call it going down the toilet
You know if you call the way that our world is becoming moving on, you know
Sorry, but we've gone backwards as a society and and our country here in America, you know
I've never been to Ireland but I know here in the United States people are becoming pagan and barbarous and you know
Our society is is going down the tubes
I mean young people are growing up and they're they're whoring around their whores and whoremongers
They don't have any respect for authority. They don't respect their parents
When you say young people are whoring around and whoremongers maybe give me an example of what you're talking about
I'm saying that the average young person today
You know goes to college and and pretty much gets in bed with about 20 different people, you know
And that's not the way our country used to be it used to be based on
You know morals and family values and people were virgins when they got married and so forth like the Bible teaches now
That's rare. That's that's one in a hundred or something. It seems like that is actually pure on their wedding day
So we have people today
Tattooing their bodies mutilating their bodies getting in bed with 20 or 30 different partners
Many are going into deviancy like homosexuality
Bestiality I mean our whole society is becoming
Sexuality and bestiality in the same sentence
In the same in the same verse
They're in the same
Nick you're not agreeing with that. Are you Nick?
What what's the difference between society homosexuality? Well, I think the difference is quite clear
You're talking about hold on you're talking about two adults and an adult and a dog or a horse
Nick Nick Nick, hold on use your head man. We're talking about two adults loving each other, you know
Okay, you can have affection for your dog, but you don't fall in love with your dog. There's something very wrong with that
Okay
No, no, excuse me, they banned that last year
Yeah, we have an appointee is Nick hold on don't compare homosexuality, which is two adults
Consenting adults falling in love to a man or a woman having sex with a dog. Well, here's here's the mistake you're making
Here's the mistake you're making with all due respect. You keep saying to people, you know
You obviously don't know anything about the homosexual lifestyle because the average homosexual has several hundred partners that's been documented
There are all kinds of scientific studies on that even by the Centers for Disease Control
Do a little research you'll find that a huge percentage of homosexuals have had sex with over
500 partners. So this idea of two people loving each other is a myth. It's a fairy tale even homosexuals who get married
The monogamy does not exist among homosexuals. Okay, that's a fact, but you don't believe two men can love each other pastor, obviously
You need to google it and get the statistics. It doesn't exist. It doesn't happen
Don't Google anything. I'm asking you
You
Love each other two women can love each other in a non-sexual way
Of course, they can love each other as friends in a non-sexual way, but homosexuality is a deviant
Situation that involves people having sex anonymously with several hundred people. That is what the facts show
That's not what TV shows you but look up the science. Look at the the the Center for Disease Control
Disappearing because we're going off the topic a little bit. We talked about homosexuality in great detail last night
So I don't go too much into it
But I know a lot of people would take issue with what you said in relation to homosexuality
Go back to the discipline again
A lot of people sending in text, you know saying that basically you're putting the fear of God pardon the cliche
Into your children that you're not just defending your children. All you're doing is you're teaching them fear of their father
And you know, I have to agree with them, you know, I might check and respect me
You say it's about respect to your children respecting you my children respect me
But I don't have to you know
Take off my belt to them or slap them for them to respect me
They respect me because they know when I'm angry when they've done something wrong
They know I put them in the room if they've done something wrong
They know I'll ground them for the day if they've done something wrong
They know but I'm disappointed in them and they respect us. So, you know, I mean
Why do we need it to beat them essentially?
Well, you know what you said actually ties in with what the caller had brought up
Saying that what I was quoting was from the Old Testament. Well the New Testament
reiterates
Physically disciplining your children in the book of Hebrews and it actually brings up respect
It says furthermore we had fathers of our flesh which corrected us and we gave them
reverence reverence is a very strong word for respect and it also says whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth and
Scourgeth every son whom he receiveth and he said if you be without chastisement where of all our partakers then are you bastards and
Not sons. So the Bible tells us, you know, both in Old and New Testament that the father who loves his children
Disciplines and scourges his children. That's what the Bible says and it produces reverence
The Bible says we had fathers of our flesh which corrected us and we gave them reverence
All right, so the text coming in and this guy is wearing his children for the world of 2,000 years ago
He is setting them up for the future in this world and that comes in from Sean
And that person says that in the Bible somewhere it says somewhere let no man judge another
Though he think he can judge he's not God
That person said I read the King James Bible
It's mad and nine-year-old a 900 year old man and all types of other crazy things
primitive and that comes in from Wayne
We see now what a complete and utter gobshite. I'd love to take off my belt to him and give him a good slap
I'm a mom with young kids and I'm sickened by this
That in my book is child abuse that comes in from Jan in Galway and sorry Darianne
You want to say something else there? Yeah. No, I just want to say there
this whole thing about quoting the Bible and
The New Testament the Old Testament Jesus Christ, you know
Can you not just look at your kids and one of the things I want to say is if the pastor is only 32
His wife must be pretty young as well
She's now having her eight child and I know in that in Arizona there's a strict thing on
Contraception and all that so he's probably tied into all of that. I'm pretty sure he doesn't agree with contraception
Yeah, exactly. So, you know his poor wife. Come on poor wife. Oh, okay
I don't think she's a poor wife. Hey kids in our counties. Jesus. My mother had
Eight kids
You can't judge him for having eight kids in the 30s. That's his choice, isn't it? No, but my mother died when I was 15
But anyway, how's your wife Steven after having eight kids in the early 30s?
Well, you know, my wife is as healthy as a horse because actually having a lot of children is good for you
You know putting those putting those organs of your body to good use is gonna make you healthier in the long run not unhealthy
So, you know as long as you do it in there
So I see as an incubator rather than a person to be honest
No, no, and you know, what I find is that you know in a lot of relationships
The reason why people don't have a lot of children
It's usually the husband
Who is telling his wife that he doesn't want to have any more kids because he doesn't want to pay for it all he doesn't
Want to support all these kids and so it's not normally the woman who doesn't want to proceed with having children
And so, you know, my wife wants to have children
She loves having children and you know, we love each and every one of our children and and our children are well-behaved
So why would we not want more but when people don't spank their child?
Yeah, I can see why they only want to have one or two because they can probably you know
They already have their hands full with one or two and and if anybody thinks that my wife is unhappy
I'd encourage them to visit my wife's blog and see all the pictures of my happy wife and my happy children
It's stevenandersonfamily.blogspot.com
The blog is called are they all yours and they can see my wife and children and how happy they're and they can read my wife's
Thoughts on this are they all yours? Yeah
Yeah, that's what people often ask in public. They ask, you know, are these all yours?
So that's the name of the blog exactly. Okay, I'm just I'm wondering how you find the time for but I John you in Dublin
You're in class of kids. Go ahead. Oh, you know, it's you John. How are you doing?
Yeah, I didn't I didn't say that with disappointments by the way to go out with you
Could say several things to that but I won't
Right
Where do you start is that what you want to know?
No, I'd no problem starting first of all
What I'm about to say, right?
I'd like to point out though. I know the gentleman on the other end of the line is a pastor
I'm an atheist. All right, not a faith hater, which one of your guests
Very eloquently pointed out. There's a huge difference between an atheist and a faith hater, right? I
Recognize and have respect for his belief. That's what an atheist does if they say there is someone completely different
So I'm not going to approach any of this from a religious standpoint because I don't recognize I to me. There is no God, right?
He recognizes there's a God and I respect him for that
To the subject matter at hand
discipline hmm now we are raising
without question the most
Really and
undisciplined
generation of young people in human history
And the reason we are is because like I said in my text there is no fear of
reprimand because there is no
reprimand
Nile the super money the super nanny method does not work. Well, look, he's an idiot. I know that
The doctor would call her an idiot, but it doesn't work the doctor Phil method doesn't work. Mm-hmm
Do I remember a conversation?
the similar conversation several months ago on your show where one of the mums were on she was
Beyond us now. She was only a kid herself, right? Yeah, and her whole
mentality her whole response to the you know
The discipline issue was basically I go down to the child's level
now Jesus Christ smile
I've been with all due respect
Be serious with it one kid to another it doesn't work. It does not work
Yeah, but yeah, but yeah John, but does it work to put your child over the sofa?
You know back bought a bottom in the air and slap them with your belt. Does that work? No, I don't agree
personally with using an instrument because I
Don't agree with that right? I don't in any way you physically discipline John when you were a kid was I was I physically disciplined
Yeah, did you get a slap off your dad?
To answer your question now, and please allow me to answer it right because you know you haven't in the past. I
Let me explain it this way to you I knew there was a line there if you think of it as a kind of like a
Symbolic
metaphorical line in the sand I knew that metaphorical symbolic line was there and
I knew that once I stepped over that line. There would be reprimand. I knew that line was there
No, I'm not gonna say no, but I didn't step over of course it, but he danced on one
I'm one of the reprimands so to you so that many other people and yes
There was a reprimand and I bloody well knew there was going to be a reprimand
But my point to you now is today. There is these kids know there is no
reprimand so if they they know there is no consequence which there clearly isn't and I backed the pastor 100% on that
Then they will push as far as they push.
Okay John, but the vision or the the mental image that I have of Pastor Stephen Anderson
I've seen the photograph and so I actually know what he looks like so I got a good mental image of him right of
Him getting his 12 or 13 year old daughter son whatever and bending them over his knee or over his sofa or over the bed
Standing there. You know I'm the big 31 year old man. You're the child whipping off his belt and
That mental image to me doesn't sound right. Well Niall just to be specific
I'm not saying that I agree with using a belt my only point Niall is that a
There we are raising the most undisciplined
Disrespectful generation of kids in human history would you agree with that Stephen are we raising the most undisciplined kids of human history?
Absolutely you know I agree a lot with a lot of what the caller is saying and and I agree that
Atheists are not faith haters because they have a lot of faith to believe in what they believe in just like I have faith in their
I respect other people's faith
I appreciate that I appreciate that but I agree that we are raising a
Generation that has zero respect because there's no fear of consequences
So they keep on pushing until they find a boundary and unfortunately a lot of times when they by the time
They they find that boundary is when a police officer is taken to prison
Yeah, exactly and so they're taken to prison. You know after committing some heinous crime. That's the first time they find a boundary
They're not fighting it with their parents
Even when we talk about abusive children in this country when we talk about
Disappointing children people's memories automatically shoot back to you know, 30 40 years ago
Yeah, because the Catholic Church. Yes, that's what I said the Catholic are we're not I'm not talking about I'm not talk
Look look now we Irish have a lot of hang ups. Let's be honest. Let's be honest about it, right?
We've we've we've hung up to that on the sexuality. We've hung up to those, you know chastising our kids
We're a very fucked up society, right?
And we're only coming out from under me that that 40 years about 30 or 40 years you're talking about
But even still has the same hang-up about homosexuality
Who we like that I think you'll find that we do no
No, I'm just saying to you pastor Stephen Anderson still has that same hang-up
Sexuality he still has a hang-up about homosexuality to Stephen Anderson
Yeah, but you bet you ever you mentioned you mentioned are you mentioned you harken back to 34 years ago forget about Stephen for a
Second you you you you harken back to 30 or four years ago. I'm just Catholic Irish thing. We still have tough
Yeah, but Stephen reminds me of its throwback with respect to you. Stephen. You remind me of a parent from 50 years ago
Well, who hate homosexuals and think they were all queer and weird and not to beat their children
What do you remind me of?
There may just be a difference here because it sounds to me like you know
You personally you had that bad experience looking out the window
So you have a real bad example of spanking with the belt in your mind and maybe just as a nation
Ireland has this really bad view of physical discipline just because culturally in Ireland 40 or 50 years ago
It was being administered in an angry or or in a you know harmful way, but in the United States of America
That's not how we feel about it because we have a lot of good examples. Like I have a good example for my parents
But my parents
It has to have some psychological effect on a child to be put over a sofa and hit with a belt
It has to have some harm. I'm sure it leaves a red mark on the bottom as well
So there has to be psychological effects of that when they go up
For example thinking if somebody says something to me that I don't like or they're cheeky to me or they're rude to me
I should take my belt off and hit them
You're basically teaching a child that the way to sort out a problem like this
But the way to sort out a discipline problem is to hit somebody
No, I don't believe so at all, of course it has a psychological effect on them
It has a positive psychological effect on them helps them grow up and understand that they that when you do wrong
You're gonna have a negative consequence and you know
They're not gonna think that they can just go around and and smack anyone that they like because they don't see their parents going around
Smacking everybody the only people that I smack
I want to go to Sean showing you in counciltown barrier on classic. It's a there John. Go ahead John. Good evening
Well, you're very much even that's the amount John is kind of singing for more or less the same him
She believes that we're raising a bunch of degenerates basically in this world that we need to sort it out discipline is the only way
And I don't I don't think it's the only I was weird without ever being hit by any of my peers and if I turned
out fine
I do think that this lack of respect this perceived lack of perspective
people have
Disrespect for other people. There's a lot of disrespect in society
I mean we heard the pastor they're going on he hates gays and was going on about gay people. So he's showing
disrespect John and I was on the most respective chair who see the big and
socio low
Socio-economic backgrounds and living in this area in that area and that's not very respectful if the whole society
Respected people children would only see respect and they wouldn't be considered
Children
We're talking disrespected today's children today's children. It is a reality
It is not perceived as not perception it is but it's not it's not every young person
And you play yeah, yeah, but it's not every nobody's saying it's always there and there's nobody said they were talking earlier on
Go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry. I wouldn't you were talking earlier on about the 88
This is what energy I'm not you were saying that some children are very quite going up
Some children are very boisterous growing up. Some children are very cheeky with and they could all be in the same house
They could be reared in the exactly the same way. Yeah different people. Yeah, we're all different. Yeah. Yeah, so of course that's going to
The one thing I will agree with with both John and pastor Stephen Anderson
I said it already children are very different now to the way they were 40 years ago or 30 years ago
I mean, I wouldn't have ever dared to speak back to my father or be cheeky to my father
And you know
What now they get grounded for us
Why is why do they now know why is this?
I don't feel the need to beat them because of the by the way. Yeah, so what so what way what way?
You know citing your example of kids talking back to their elders or their parents in a way which they wouldn't have done
It may be possibly 20 years ago. What way do you think I was?
Sufficient to deal with that kind of problem
Give me an example of how you would deal with that kind of a situation should have to rise by taking privileges
Bullshit fine. It doesn't work. It does when it works in my in my home. I might not work in red. You were around
Well, okay
Let me just go back to Sean because obviously Stephen had a lot of issues with homosexuality Sean and obviously just remind Stephen
You are a gay man
I mean you did go bridge obviously with that you find what he said quite offensive and disrespectful to the gay community
But yet big time, you know and again like John I'd be mad about Christianity or just say look let them do what they do
But I don't go down
Part of them, but I can't see why he is into fear of my life
And I mean God if I if I if I had 700 people in my life, I'd be very happy
Under but I haven't I'm afraid to disappoint you and I don't think it's up to you would even talk about look
You rearing he's rearing his children
Based on a manual two thousand years ago, so he's not rearing his children for this world. So he's cutting them short
I mean he's homeschooling them as well. So they're not really going to survive in the real world
I think that's that's the big problem. Okay. Well, let me ask him about that because you are homeschooling your children Stephen. I mean
Did you believe in the huge advantage on schooling them?
Absolutely, my my 12 year old son is just finishing up with Algebra 2
I mean my children are years ahead in their schoolwork
They're much more intelligent than the children who are coming out of public school many of which can barely read or write
Know almost nothing about history. So there's a huge academic advantage to homeschooling
But also we can shelter them from all the bizarre
Perversion that abounds at public school where they're being exposed to
homosexuality
bestiality and other strange practices and by the way
The homosexual the homosexual man on the line
He's proving my point right now because he just said oh, that'd be so wonderful if I could have several hundred different partners
Well, you know, guess what? I don't think that's wonderful
I've only been in bed with one woman in my entire life and I think it'd be wonderful to die that way
Having had sex with one woman. I'm not like the homosexual who desires several hundred partners
That's the kind of perversion that that lifestyle entails and he's proving my point
What are your children going to do when they grow up? How are they going to face the world?
How do I face the world?
I'm growing up. How do I face the world? I'm living in 2013. I'm successful
Do you do any other work rather than the pastor?
Well at this time I'm only a pastor but until recently I ran a fire alarm business
Basically, I did electrical work and I've succeeded just fine. I made a very good living doing electrical work
So
You got married to your wife. Did you ever have relationships? Did you ever have sex?
I never had sex before I was married. You know, I was a virgin when I got married
I did obviously go on dates
I dated many girls until I found the one that I wanted to marry and you know, I understand that people have made mistakes
I'm not I'm not condemning people who've made a mistake and have ever repented of it and and you know
I personally did not
I don't consider it a mistake. I consider it to be an experience. It was an enjoyable experience
That's because you don't believe the Bible though. The Bible teaches that we should only have that relationship inside of marriage
And you know what? I think I'm actually very happy that I that I've only been with my wife
I'm glad I didn't bring any baggage into the marriage
Yeah, each and her own I suppose. But the problem is, should I get married?
Well, they live in the real world. They play out of the front yard
They live in fantasy land
That's not true at all. We take them to the park. They play at the park. They play in the front yard
We take them to church. We take them to the store. We take them to sporting events
Well, hold on a minute. I just took
Okay, last week I took my daughter to the symphony, okay?
I took my daughter to the symphony
Well, hold on a minute. I just took
Okay, last week I took my daughter to the symphony, okay?
I take my children to sporting events. They practice martial arts
12 and down. 12 years old and down
The same thing that happened when I reached 18, I suppose
Well, I don't know. I started working. I got married when I turned 19
I started making money. I got a job. I raised a family
I mean, they're going to be an adult
But, Ambassador, you have to
I mean, I understand that
I mean, I think what kids, to a large extent
I think kids are exposed to ridiculously
I think the kind of things that kids are exposed to today
I think there's far too much exposure
I think there's far too much sexualization
I agree with you on that 100%
But at the same time, you have to give leeway
You have to allow kids
You know, they have to be exposed to a certain extent
to life in order to prepare them for what's coming
Now, when I say exposing them to life
I do not mean, you know, some muppet of a parent going out
and buying an 18 certificate game
or an 18 certificate CD or DVD
and in the full knowledge that their kids shouldn't be watching us
and then bringing us home and saying, there you go, Johnny, Mary, watch out
Yeah, you see, I think the point, John, is when I get to
at some point in their life, Stephen, they're going to have to get a job
Maybe they get a job in the city, in an office, or something like that
You know, they're going to be hanging out with real people
who've experienced different parts of life
be it homosexuality, be it promiscuity, be it having a good time
and then going out to a nightclub and having a drink
You're not going to let your 18 or 19
You'll have no choice really once they reach 18
They're adults, they can make their own choices
But they're not going to be prepared for that
They're not going to be ready for that because, hey, my dad didn't tell me about this stuff
He didn't tell me about contraception because he told me I wouldn't need it until I was married
He didn't tell me that I might eventually meet a homosexual, a real live one
You know what I mean?
You know, this whole conversation is ridiculous
You don't think that my children have heard about and been exposed to all the things you're mentioning?
I'm not sure why you think that my children live in a bubble simply because they don't go to a public school
Just because they don't go to the public fool system and get indoctrinated doesn't mean they haven't been exposed to these things
They see real people, they deal with real people all the time
I mean, I don't understand
What do your children think of homosexuality?
Pardon me?
What do your children think of homosexuality?
The same thing that I think of homosexuality
And yet I'm able to function, I've been able to hold down a lot of good jobs
I've never been fired from a job
And they feel exactly the same way about homosexuality that I do
That it's disgusting, that it's filthy, that it's a deviation from anything normal human behavior
And so how am I functioning?
How are all the members of my church functioning?
There's a hundred people that come to my church
How are they all functioning in society?
This idea that my children are going to grow up and not be able to function
I like the Western Baptist Church
That's absolutely not true
My wife has a huge circle of friends outside of church that she has through home schooling groups
That she has through, you know, food groups
Because we basically
I don't know a Christian I would imagine
Most of them are Christian but a lot of them are not even Christian
I just got to wrap this up in a second, one or two more calls before I finish if I can
I want to go to Jess, you're in Dublin, you're on Classic Kids, go ahead Jess
Hi Anilah, I just made a few points there that I wanted to make
But it just creeps me out, it's the most unhealthy mess of small-minded
The question I wanted to ask, what I wanted to ask was the classes where the kids are allowed to socialize
With other children that work at the same frame of mind
Yes, absolutely
My children actually socialize with a lot of children on our street
We don't let our children go into their homes
We don't let them go into their houses
But they can play in the front yard or they can play on our street with all the kids on the street
Except for certain kids that have, you know, said something bad or done something bad
But they have a lot of friends on the street that they play with
And actually because my children usually outnumber them anyway
Usually my children are an influence on them rather than vice versa
Can I ask you another question, pastor?
I just want to know, you have at the moment your eighth child is on the way, contact them
And your only charge is to have more children
Now statistically there's a good chance that one of your children regardless of how you raise them or how you feel
They will be born homosexual
What do you do? I have two adult children and they've had good stuff in their life and they've had bad stuff in their life
And I wanted to know about it all, whether I agreed with it, whether I disagreed, I wanted to know
So if one of your children is gay, what happens? Do you try to beat that out with them?
Well, you know, aside from the biblical evidence that abounds that people are not born gay
Okay, aside from that I said, aside from the Bible, I'm trying to not talk about the Bible
I said, aside from the Bible, I already gave scientific evidence earlier in the program that people are not born homosexual
And that that is a fraud, and I cited a study done on thousands of identical twins
It's when a person is born homosexual
But really, if it's without question, then show me the data, show me the science, show me the study
He just made, no, no, with regards to the pastor and I, with respect for the discipline and aspects
He said that people are not born homosexual, they are born homosexual, right?
Just like heterosexuals are born heterosexual
So I just don't know where his scientific evidence is coming from
He's quoted some earlier on about twins, okay, and I'm pretty sure there's as many different experiments or scientific evidence
Absolutely not, no one can produce, I would like to see one scientific study
No one can produce any scientific study proving that homosexuals are born that way
Everyone's just brainwashed by the television that that's the case
2300 identical twins, Google the study, identical twins, homosexual study, I'm producing evidence
You guys don't have any evidence, and if so, produce it
What's the study? What's the science?
I just feel that if this educated, intelligent man took his head out of his arse and took his head out of books
All he is quoted is this book, this book, the Bible, Google
If he concentrated more on the variety of people that are out there and the acceptance of that variety of people that are out there
His children would be much more well-rounded human beings and less judgement of people
More accepting of the ups and downs and maybe a bit more honest with their parents
If they do have feelings that their parents feel coming from the devil and coming from hell
And I just think it's ignorant, it's archaic, and he just irritates me
And I have to tell them, but just education is nothing
Get your head out of the books, pastor, and listen to your children and accept them for what they are
Okay, okay, one more caller, Connor, how you doing, you're in Wicklow, go ahead
Hey there, I just wanted to say basically the whole thing here about disciplining kids by hitting them and that
Basically what it comes down to is the education system in Ireland
We're not a modern country, you go to any other country in Europe, a developed country
And the point of Ireland is we're 20 years behind in this thing
Now I know we've come a long way since the Catholic Church and that rigid way of thinking
But basically in our schools the kids aren't taught flexibility of mind
They're taught a rigid way and that's basically how to make money
How to learn about this that in your mathematics or geography or anything
But there's no substance to the education system
You're right, I was actually reading about this the other night
The education system is designed for the Industrial Revolution
There's no learning about clay, there's no learning about hatching
The state is really run by bones of oligarchs
There's none of this
Okay, let's go back to what we're talking about is in the home, Connor
The pastor believes that it's okay to discipline your child with a belt or a paddle or whatever it happens to be in the home
Do you find that acceptable?
Oh God no
That's completely out of the question
Why would you need to physically enforce something on a child
When kids are perfectly capable of learning to just being caught
Kids will come around
I know from being hit myself and being physically abused that it didn't work at all
It actually caused more problems in me
Stephen that is something that I've said that those who are abused when they're younger
Now I don't know how true it is
Go on then to of course abuse their children physically when they get older
Stephen were you abused as a child? Were you physically disciplined?
I was not abused
Hold on hang on Connor, sorry Stephen go ahead
I was just saying I was definitely not abused
Of course I was disciplined and so therefore I grew up and disciplined my children
But honestly it's because the Bible says so not just because it happened to me
But honestly my parents never did anything abusive to me
But some people would trust what you do
Well some people are wrong
Well did you ever hear the Bible isn't stacked in the home
I've heard that saying
I consider it barbarism when people are tattooing their bodies
Going to bed with 30 different people
And going to a mosh pit at a rock concert
That's barbarism
Being a clean cut family man who loves my wife and children is not barbarism
Well let me tell you
If you were raised in a home
Where there is a working class environment
It's not just working class
I mean it's going to be a middle class home field
But particularly in working class areas
Where kids are grown up in poverty
Where money might be tight
There's a lot of tension in the home
There's a lot of fighting in the home
People lashing out at each other
And then these kids take themselves down into the street
And then when they go to school as well
They're not learning anything
And then when they go to school as well
They're not learning anything particularly
Deep or anything spiritual
Or anything worth the value
For mathematics and the alphabet and how to read
Which is all well and good
But there's no substance that they learn
If you look at a curriculum in Finland
The children are taught to think for themselves
And maybe if the kids taught to think for themselves
Maybe if they learned to think for themselves
And stopped learning things from their home or off the street
Or maybe they're active with a little bit more discipline
And a little bit more behaviour
You know
Alright well I have to wrap it up
Listen I've got a time pass for Stephen Anderson
Lots and lots of reaction going in Stephen
I have to say
I'll be honest with you it's probably about 50-50
As many people despise you
As love you
Kevin O'Sullivan by the way says
He also doesn't teach his kids about evolution
Listening to Steve for an era
And one word comes to mind
Failure
Obviously Stephen you don't teach your kids about evolution
Because you don't believe in evolution so you don't
Of course I don't
But my children are well aware of evolution
I'm sure they could explain the theory to you
And why it's wrong
Alright Stephen I'm sure we could argue about that all night
That's a whole other topic isn't it?
Absolutely any time
Alright this is Stephen thank you very much indeed
Alright so Stephen Anderson there you go
A man who disciplines his children the old fashioned way
And believes that's the way we should be doing it
And look you know what I have to say
I don't agree with
Pastor
Yes
Listen thanks a minute for coming on ok
I know you got a bit of stick there but
Yeah no perfect
No I appreciate it
I enjoyed it
Thank you
I'm sure we'll definitely talk to you again anyway
Hopefully
Yep sounds good thanks
Alright
Thanks Stephen have a nice day bye bye