Hey guys so I'm joined with Pastor Jonathan Shelley and in this video we're
gonna be reacting to Norm Diamante's video talking about calling upon the
name of the Lord. So let's just get right into it and play his video.
Is a public confession or a sinner's prayer necessary for salvation? Now the short
answer is absolutely not. The very moment someone believes on Christ, trusting him
alone to save them, they are saved period. The instant, the very moment
someone believes on the Lord Jesus Christ, they are saved. The Bible is very
clear about the subject of salvation. We are saved by grace through faith alone.
It's not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should
boast. With a confession or without a confession. Now if you wanted my Bible
you would ask me for it. If God has a gift that you want, if God has
salvation, he wants to give it to you, the next step is to ask him for it. It's as
simple as changing what you believe, telling God that, asking him to save you,
and in that instant, in that moment of time, you're saved forever. It's as simple
as that. So before I leave I could lead you in a quick word of prayer. I could
pray you could repeat after me and I could help you tell God that this is
what you believe. Ask him to save you and if you mean that in your heart he'll do
it right now. So just bow your head and repeat this after me and mean this in
your heart. Dear Jesus, they believed on Christ and they received salvation
without a public confession, without repeating a sinner's prayer. Is a public
confession or a sinner's prayer necessary for salvation? Absolutely not my
friend. We are saved by grace through faith alone with or without a confession.
Wow well you know I guess which norm are we gonna believe? Are we gonna believe
the norm that tells people they need to pray and repeat a prayer or the one that
says you don't have to confess, you don't have to repeat a prayer, you know
to be saved. You know this is this guy's just prideful. He's just sure he's just
an arrogant jerk that changed his mind and I mean how does he even reconcile
this? Was he like a false prophet teaching a false gospel back before when
he's like telling people like helping them pray? It confused me to be honest.
You know I guess praying is just somehow a magical you know it's just adding all
these works to salvation asking God to save you. You know you're asking for it
so it's a work. Oh man you know those people on the street are working pretty
hard you know when they're standing out there with their sign yeah asking for
free money. Free money. I mean they they don't want to you know stop working. Yeah
you know I my daughter she asked me for $100 the other day and I gave it to her
but she had to work for it I guess cuz she had to ask for it. Yeah I mean asking
is pretty difficult and you know it's a full-time job. Believing requires
brainpower so therefore you actually have to be in a full-blown coma in order
to not work your way. Yeah well you did have to move your mouth and sometimes
that's kind of like work. Yeah but even if your heart you're believing in your
heart that's a work. I mean your heart has to pump blood so was Abraham your
heart's pumping every minute. Was Abraham not saved because he called upon the
name of the Lord in Genesis? I mean yeah and the Apostle Paul wasn't saved when
he called on the name of the Lord and you know again the Apostle Paul tells us
in Romans chapter number 10 that what he preaches is for people to call upon the
name of the Lord to be saved so I guess is he preaching a false gospel too? I guess
but what's funny to me is that what it's a straw man these people make up this
whole thing well public confession nobody said you need to go into the
public in front of everybody and just confess Jesus nobody said that you could
you could do it in your heart ask Jesus to save you you could go into your
closet all by yourself in your house where nobody's there and ask Jesus to
save you you don't nobody says that you need to repeat a prayer repeat a prayer
yeah of course we learn things through repetition so there's nothing wrong with
repeating a prayer just like Jesus disciples were learned how to how to
pray from Jesus telling them and giving them an example of how to pray and we
learned how to walk by watching other people walk and repeat how they walk I
mean you learn everything by repeating so there's nothing wrong with helping
someone but if someone prayed a unique prayer that it's never been prayed
before of their own words asking to save them putting their faith in him of
course they would be saved so it's just a silly straw man argument that this
guy's making up this idea that somehow you know calling on the name of the Lord
or asking is like work salvation yeah Jack Smack said that as well that it's
total work salvation you that you guys preach a total work salvation because
you you have to ask Jesus to save you I mean this is just silly this is just a
misunderstanding of so much of the Bible and really I would want to say what's
what's the motivation in this because virtually every single person that
teaches the right salvation believes this and even these guys taught this and
believe this yeah so it's just everybody a false prophet and they were false
prophets and then now only these few gurus online have come to the knowledge
of the truth and realize that yeah this is a workspace salvation we need to just
believe only like when Jesus said in John 4 10 if thou knewest the gift of
God and who it is to say it to thee give me to drink that would have asked of him
and he would have given thee living water well I thought well she worked for
it though she asked by asking come when they said come drink freely well you
have to drink so that was work yeah you actually had to do something again
obviously no one's denying like I'm not denying that what saves you is the
moment you believe yeah I would say that too I would say hey the moment you
believe the moment you trust Christ the moment you put faith in him you're saved
the question is often then well how do I do that and in fact when we go soul
winning I've had people ask me that you know you show me the gospel you show
that you're showing them believe believe believe and they say okay well how do I
do that and it's like okay well here's the Bible telling exactly how to do it
Romans chapter number 10 and it's telling you to hey confess with your
mouth and believe with your heart and and so why would I not follow the clear
instructions of the scripture and help that person to call upon the name of the
Lord and ask for that salvation because without that moment of calling or
deciding sometimes people will say they believe but they really don't yet they
don't really understand what is at stake here and that that calling on the name
of the Lord is kind of that moment for someone to place their faith in Jesus to
truly trust in him and to be saved yeah and there's that comment of norm saying
that he's never called upon the name of the Lord but he's telling other people
to do it in the video it's so good yeah I mean how have you never asked Jesus to
save you but think about this because he's having them repeat his words yeah
so he literally did say like Lord please save me and give me eternal life but I
guess just because he was only doing for them he didn't really mean it when he
said it or something I'm like how does that work I the whole thing is just so
confusing and it's unnecessary it's just it's just more division it's just pride
exactly and it's like and they're making up arguments that are non-existent like
did you I have never heard you say that you have to go and make a public
confession in front of everyone to be saved I've never heard anybody say that
maybe it exists out there maybe there's someone that does believe you have to be
this public confession to be saved but you know really the scripture teaches
that you know even if you prayed in your heart quietly obviously the Lord
can hear your words but you know think about it this way air Abraham and Sarah
when they were confronted with the Lord he said that Sarah had laughed and yet
she was thinking that she didn't because her mouth didn't laugh but then the Lord
was saying that she kind of had laughed inside internally in her heart like
Hannah right exactly so somehow words like are emanating from the heart yeah
so even if you suppressed it with your mouth it's not like you didn't still
speak of the Lord out of your heart and put your faith in him and you know what
other thing they love to say well what if somebody's mute then exactly they
pray it out of their heart and they believe in Jesus and regardless of their
their lips could move they're safe yeah this is a stupid argument coming from
someone that just doesn't want to go so money anymore or something you know
Norma obviously went so winning and would go up to people and try to preach
them the gospel why would you want to not help that person call in the name of
the Lord or to believe in Jesus by helping them pray and ask God to save
them you know am I really supposed to believe God wants me to ask for
everything ask for health and and prayer for daily food and and prayer for all
these different things but he doesn't want me to pray for salvation like that's
the only thing that I'm not allowed to pray for I'm allowed to pray for
everything else that's that's it's it's asinine you cannot ask for it if you if
you ask for it not safe you know I remember that part in the Bible where
they came to Jesus and they said you know can I come into heaven he's like
no you asked for it yeah you should have just believed buddy yeah why didn't you
just believe you know that I was silly that for you to ask for it you know what
you're just trying too hard he said he worked I never knew you you trusted in
your work so yeah asking there is enough there's another funny point I was gonna
make well you know while you think about that when I go soul winning I pray with
people and I make sure them to pray that they believe and every single time
afterwards I ask them I say are you sure you're gonna go to heaven now and you
know what they never say to me oh well I prayed I repeated a prayer they say
because I believe in Jesus if thou shall repeat the prayer they're never like oh
I repeated prayers now I'm saved yeah it's like they say well I believe in
Jesus and it's like exactly so they know what I'm saying it's just a prideful
person that that pretends like they don't know what we're saying yeah they're
yeah they're making it this whole thing yeah if you pastor Shelley thinks that
if you repeat the prayer you're saved no yeah you can repeat the prayer a
thousand times and not be saved if you didn't believe it yeah you know
obviously you know you can call in the name of the Lord and a lot of context
but in the context of Romans 10 it's about spirits of salvation going to
heaven having God's righteousness imputed unto you you only need it once
and God wants to give it to you but the Bible says you have not because he asked
not yeah and so you know the reason why people don't have salvation is because
they never called on in the Lord in faith and they're not saved there are
people calling on the Lord without faith and they're not saved yeah and so you
know the Bible makes it clear that's what they have to do is one time trust
Christ place their faith in him they receive eternal life God's imputed
righteousness and they're saved but people attacking this you know sometimes
they might just be wicked I don't know yeah I see the Calvinists attack it a
lot and then I see like yeah even then like these people that are free grace
attack and I'm confused I'm like you're just asking so if you won the lotto you
won ten million dollars and you wouldn't ask for the check yeah I guess you had
to work for it yeah if you go turn in your lottery ticket you worked for it
yep you know you said hey can I get my ten million dollars oh you worked for it
stop it yeah I mean if they say hey in order in order to win the lottery all
you have to do is have the right numbers and then you you go up and you you have
the right numbers of the ticket you're like where's my money and it's like well
you actually had to turn the ticket in you actually had to then come and ask
for it it's like well all you said was that I had to have the numbers I have
the right numbers yeah and it's like well yeah dummy you still have to go
turn in the ticket and it's like yeah just because you understand the gospel's
true doesn't mean it just instantly gets applied to you you just ask for it once
you realize God has eternal life on the table for you like like pastor Anderson
said that if he asked for his welfare check at the welfare office that oh he
asked for it he had to work for it yeah these people are employed well no you
technically had to go to the welfare office where is the unemployment they're
working they'll come up with anything it's just like you just ask go in your
closet you know whatever some and just you can never tell a homeless person
hey go get a job buddy because when they ask for money they're working they
already have a job yeah that's true they're they are working for that money
so hey can I have five dollars for a sandwich oh he asked for it he worked
for it yeah and no other aspect of life is that working I'm just so confused
like where are the people my children are some of the hardest workers you'll
ever meet because they ask me questions all day every day and I mean man that's
just tiring yeah every time I ask you a question I'm just working for it and you
give me the answer oh you work for it it's just you know it's a tiring job to
ask when I said when when what's it called when the Philippian jailer asked
Paul and Silas sirs what must I do to be saved he said oh you yes you have to do
yeah yep can't do that man can't do that I think the whole thing is just silly
and it just is gonna just confuse people and it's so unnecessary well when the
thief on the cross looked at Jesus and said Lord remember me when I'll come us
to my kingdom Jesus said oh sorry you asked for it you're gonna be in hell
buddy yeah he shouldn't have worked you shouldn't tried to work your way into
heaven yeah repeat a prayer yeah when the center when the publican goes and
says Lord be mercy me a sinner Jesus said oh this guy went home unjustified
because he asked for salvation he worked for it he tried to he tried to ask the
Lord for mercy there's there's so many examples of you know of people asking to
be saved you could never ask for grace because grace is unmerited but by asking
you you merited it so therefore you know you can't ever actually ask in it
in in math in Matthew 7 7 I think it is it says ask and it should be given you
oh well how does that even make sense doesn't God know that asking is at work
I mean how does the Bible say that you can ask for something and then be given
it you know it also if you ask the Heavenly Father you know he's gonna give
you the Holy Spirit I asked my wife for a back rub the other night oh I worked
for it yeah she should be like why should I give that to you I asked for it
I mean what else kind of work do you want me to do here right I'm like I'm
pretty sure that she's doing the work I just asked you know I'm gonna go to the
bank and I'm going to ask for a million dollars and then they're gonna say why
and I said I worked for it because I asked for it yeah right since I so I
worked for it it's so silly man these guys these guys are just too smart for
themselves it hurts my head yeah they're too you know what next time I'm gonna go
when I go so when am I tell someone look man before you get saved just make sure
that you go into a full-blown coma so that your your body is shut down and you
just cannot do any sort of work for it yeah just believe and and if you even
try to ask you're not even save you and believe I told you that stop it if I
told you you believe because it's using brainpower oh man I mean this there's a
lot of burning calories while you're doing that which is a well reading the
Bibles of work right yeah and you know usually a lot of it we're showing them
the Bible and they're reading the verses with us we should stop showing them
because by them reading the Bible verses they're working for their salvation and
they're listening because their ears yeah they had to work while they were
listening man I can't I mean this work salvation yes it's just so difficult when
you go so when you had to tell Pete you bring earplugs and you put the blinders
over their eyes just so they cannot do any sort of works I mean by standing is
that working do they need to be laying down so is breathing working just don't
even breathe right now I only go give the gospel to dead people because they're
not working yeah this is like a Calvinist doctrine you know what is the
dead man this is the new doctrine this is this honestly that way to be for so
funny to come out with like a fake doctrine like like something that's a
joke and be like guys check out the new job should I well look I mean JD Greer
the Calvinist he said that you know some people think of salvation as you're
drowning and you yell out to the life gourd save me he's like that's wrong
actually you're dead in the water and you're not even moving and the lifeguard
comes and just rips you out of the water and breathes life into you yeah and it's
like that's almost like their doctrine of like you didn't even call on the Lord
you didn't ask for salvation you just breathe believe into you or something
yeah yeah it's like you're just sitting there no work believe is this
irresistible grace you do make a decision no yeah there's no free will in
it but I mean here's here's a question I always ask these people it's like okay
if there's no action involved as far as like believing in the sense that you
didn't call on the Lord you didn't you didn't place your faith in him through
you know confessing like the Bible says then how would you know you believed
enough yeah I'm confused now like what like okay I saw the gospel in here is
it just instantly make me say because I saw it or because I intellectually
assented to it or because I think it's true or like it what level is your
belief enough don't believe it that's works okay go away now don't believe it
yeah that doesn't even make any sense these guys are just so contradictory
they change on a dime how are you tell yeah and how are you telling someone
yeah uh I'll lead you in prayer just repeat after me but then you're telling
people that oh well you know that's a work well think about it this way okay
if if asking for salvation means that it's like a false gospel and you're not
even saved yeah then when he was leading people in prayer back then was he not
even saved apparently so like at what point did he even get saved you know it
did he get saved like later after realizing oh I had asked for it I've
been working for it all this time yeah and now I finally realized that I don't
need to ask for it and then that's when I got saved or how does it even work
because cuz they're my brain is hurting honestly he if his doctrine is true he
couldn't have been saved when that video was made yeah because if he believes
that salvation is not asking and then he's telling other people to ask yeah
he's not even believing the right thing at that point in time so he's not even
safe so at what point that he even gets a when he came out with that video okay
as soon as yeah I finally realized it's not asking and that's when I got saved
yeah right cuz cuz otherwise you'd have to believe that he was saved and he was
teaching a false gospel when asking people to pray and get saved yeah cuz I
saw his videos before and I even talked to him before and I thought everything
he said was good I need to I'm with it I mean and even still he makes videos
where he explains you know the importance of believing alone and not
works and it sounds good but then like where's this this weirdo anti calling on
the name of the Lord which he clearly believed yeah he clearly was trusting it
always was he trusting in his prayer back then was he trusting and repeating
a prayer to save him back then yeah or how does that work this doesn't even
make sense and it's just like I keep repeating this nobody said you have to
repeat a prayer to be saved well Jesus I know I I know I'm a sinner can't Jesus I
put my trust in you please save me Jesus yeah oh my gosh oh wait I didn't repeat
it so it actually you know I've gone so wanting where people didn't actually
repeat what I said or they said it differently or they wanted to pray their
own thing I guess I should have declared them unsaved because they didn't repeat
the prayer yeah it's so stupid repeat the prayer you had to repeat that's what
you believe you believe that you got to repeat it absolutely you're a false
problem in fact you don't have to do anything else just repeat it you're
saved somebody's gonna take this out of context and say see he doesn't course he
believes it he believes that you got to repeat the prayer to go to heaven
absolutely oh my gosh yeah like I said I think this whole thing is just silly and
it's just gonna like it just it just hurts my head thinking about it I'm like
when cuz somebody I just made a video saying that um you know all you have to
do is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved I think and I said you know
ask him to save you just ask him to save you oh that's dangerous what how yeah
it's not contradictory people aren't confused on this yeah it's really an
online only doctrine yeah you don't see people in real churches and like going
out soul winning that really believe well you're an online pastor rare yeah
pastor I really suck because my church keeps getting taken down and strikes and
this I terminate the policy apparently you know our church isn't governed by
the Bible it's governed by YouTube your church just keeps getting not taken down
every single time and you got to keep rebuilding your church oh man in that
crazy how that how long have we been talking because it's just it's just like
a comedy at this point it's silly these people are just they should really just
be made fun of because they're just being stupid and there's there's really
there's almost no sense and even trying to be logical with them because they're
not logical there's no argument they're just being foolish on purpose they're
just being stupid and they're just morons and they're just too prideful to
admit that they're wrong and just change but you know I don't I don't have to
keep making fun of you if you just take your videos down and get the right
doctrine then yeah exactly fun of you because then other than that we would
all agree on everything like pretty much probably 99% okay I think we would
all agree on because I think Norm Diamante said like pretty much all good
stuff and then like when he came out with this I was just like I'm just so
confused well I don't know he did someone asked the other day he's like
are you a Baptist and he's like no I'm not denominational oh my gosh like what
you know if somebody said I mean if somebody said to me I'd be like yeah I
go to a New Independent Fundamental Baptist Church I said you know what but
I ultimately I just believe the Bible so it's not like I'm saying you have to
go to a New Independent Fundamental Baptist Church to be saved I mean come
on yeah obviously you don't have to you don't have to be a Baptist to be saved
you don't have to go to a Baptist Church but how could someone that used to be a
Baptist or go to Baptist churches then want to go to a non the non church I
mean that's those churches you know and again I don't know what the church is
talking about specific Church of Christ but you know that the works church I've
never seen a church that I have more respect for that's not a than a Baptist
than a Fundamental Baptist Church 100% because you know all these I was I think
I mentioned this to you before but all the churches that say they're non-denom
they're really denom yeah they're in fact what's so funny about it is you
will find more unity amongst non-denom churches than virtually any other
denomination quote-unquote and of course they're describing themselves even with
this label they claim it's non-denom but it's really a label it can tell
exactly what they're like every one of these non-denoms is virtually the exact
same whereas you know you could see a lot of difference between Baptist you
can see a lot of difference between Methodist you can see a lot of
difference between Catholic even but you know you're not gonna see a lot of
variance between non-denoms they simply all typically have the same pattern
same activities same language same heresies they're all friends and buddies
they all read from new translation like the NIV and the yeah well either new
the NIV I've seen some read from the ESV and then what's it the you know I use
anything pretty much but here's the thing why not just read from the King
James absolutely why not again how many non-denoms are King James only I mean
I'm probably less than 1% I'm sure I've never seen it I it probably exists but
it's probably such a small percentage that is not even worth mentioning yeah
and and like I said yeah pretty much all these guys they I mean what would you
say most denominations are these so-called non-denominational churches
well again if you understand you know in the 70s or earlier but then that even
non-denominational didn't exist there was no such thing as a
non-denominational Church so essentially non-denominational churches
came from two major denominations Pentecostals and Baptists so it
essentially what they would do is they would just drop the name instead of
being such-and-such Pentecostal Church or such-and-such Baptist Church they
would just drop that lingo and then they're just this quote non-denom church
to get more people well but honestly and that's some of it but a lot of them are
church splits so you'd have a Baptist Church preach against a particular
doctrine and they would have a bunch of heretics say well we don't believe that
so they would go start their own little cult church and then it just would grow
into these big non-denominant churches so most non-denominant churches are just
an unbiblical separation heretics but they really spawned from they were
basically Baptist light or Pentecostal light and so they they were mostly that
kind of particular denomination and and most non-denominational churches are
very similar to a Southern Baptist Church because they're just kind of
Southern Baptist light you know or they're kind of a Pentecostal charismatic
like here's maniac yeah type with all the ominous casting out demons and all
that nonsense yeah but they're almost all virtually the same yeah oh my gosh
yeah but how would this progress this he seems like he's devolving it's like he
was Baptist I believed and then now he's not the nom yeah he was believing
and you know calling on the name of the Lord now he's not so it's like what is
he gonna devolve to next you know he needs to get right yeah and at the end
of the day like the reason I like the new independent fundamental Baptist
churches is because it's coming from the Bible you guys preached the whole Bible
and you actually understand it and ever since I really started listening to you
guys it just helped me understand the Bible everything just became clear to me
it like like the Bible says the rightly be able to rightly divide the word of
truth and most people really can't well if you're saved and you're actually
reading the Bible I think you're gonna be drawn to preaching like Pastor
Anderson or other great new IP preachers because it lining up with what the Bible
actually says so it kind of feeds itself yeah you hear that kind of preaching it
makes you want to read the Bible and then you read the Bible and they're
both saying the same thing and they both kind of draw you to one another whereas
the reason why a lot of people don't go to a church like ours is because they're
not reading the Bible yeah and when I go to your church it makes me want to read
the Bible more because I'm like oh I want to read into that more and
understand it more but yeah like when I went to these other churches I don't
care well they don't bring anything up in the Bible no they don't barely yeah
it's nice to when you hear a sermon about biblical topics do you think like
I want to go check out that reference they mentioned or this story or see what
I reminded of a verse and honestly if you have the Holy Spirit inside of you
you're saved a lot of times the Holy Spirit will remind you of verses in the
Bible that weren't even mentioned in the sermon but they're just related to that
topic or you're something you're kind of thinking about and so it's like a way to
actually be edified through preaching even though it wasn't directly as a
result like it wasn't the preacher saying it it's the Holy Spirit reminding
you of other things in the Bible yeah definitely man well I really I really
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