Hey what's up guys I'm Cassidy Campbell and today I'm here joined with Pastor Jonathan Shelley and
we're going to be reacting to this video by Bible Flock Box which he claims he has 10 scriptures
that debunk once saved always saved and he says yeah he says it's false so let's actually refute
this guy's video and just annihilate him so let's get into the video but in this video I'm going to
be specifically including scriptures that reveal that you can lose your salvation after you have
been saved you have the free will to reject Jesus at any time in your life so let's get started
scripture number one Galatians chapter 5 verse 4 it reads Christ has become of no effect unto you
whosoever of you are justified by the law ye are fallen from grace here it talks about Christians
who apparently started out in a relationship with Jesus in a faith-based way but then somewhere
along the line attempted to justify themselves by their works Paul told them they were fallen from
grace that indicates that someone can reject the grace of God after receiving it they can end up
lost after they have been saved scripture number two stop Hebrews chapter well in Galatians chapter
number five when he's quoting the verse I'll quote it from the bible it says Christ has become
of no effect unto you whosoever you are justified by the law you are fallen from grace now in
Galatians chapter number five he's still continuing the same thought from chapter one chapter two
chapter three chapter four you know when the book of Galatians was written it was written as a
singular epistle with one context that context is the fact that people were mixed up on the
gospel specifically and the apostle Paul made it clear those who are teaching another gospel are
not saved that they are it's not like they were saved in laws of salvation they've never been
saved and in Galatians chapter number five when he's saying people that believe that you have to
have works or specifically circumcision in order to be saved he's saying that they're not saved
and he uses the phrase fallen from grace but fallen you know simply could even mean in the
sense that he they haven't alluded to it or they haven't gotten to that particular grace
the grace has been presented to them or shown to them but they they fell away from it so
in this context it would be that the apostle Paul came to the church he preached them the gospel
he showed them the grace of God he gave them the opportunity to believe in the grace of God
but they've fallen away from that teaching they never accepted that teaching they never
trusted in Christ and so they have no opportunity to be saved this does not indicate that these
people were saved and then lost their salvation it's just simply him interpreting the verse how
he wants to all right let's get to the next one they can end up lost after they have been saved
scripture number two Hebrews chapter 3 verse 12 here it says take heed brethren lest there be in
any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God Paul was evidently writing to
Christians here since he called them brethren and he warned them of the danger of departing from God
that indicates that we have the free will to walk away from God scripture number three pause it
so here in Hebrews chapter number three if you look at verse number one it says wherefore holy
brethren partakers of the heavenly calling considering the apostle and high priest of our
profession Christ Jesus so it is very clear that in the book of Hebrews in chapter number three
verse one that the apostle Paul is talking to save people he calls them holy brethren he says
they're partakers of the heavenly calling and when he says here in verse number 12 that if you have
an evil heart of unbelief you would be departing from the living God that's true but it doesn't say
here that you're going to hell number one it doesn't say that they lost everlasting life it
doesn't say that they lost their partaking it simply just says that they departed from the Lord
in some capacity what capacity this is just simply showing someone that's um backslidden
someone that's not serving God and of course because the children of Israel did not trust
in the Lord to take them into the promised land which is the uh what it's alluding to in this
particular context then the Lord didn't let them enter in the promised land you know he stopped
every single one of them from entering the promised land so you either have to believe
that every single person the children of Israel was unsaved because none of them entered in the
promised land or what the Bible is actually teaching is that many of them just decided
not to trust in the Lord to take them in the promised land and to win that particular battle
and so they ended up having to suffer the consequences of wandering around the wilderness
for a much longer period of time and in fact all dying off not until they had finished dying did
the children of Israel actually enter into the promised land the same as with Christians
Christians who decide to not trust in the Lord not put their faith in the Lord in all areas of life
marriage finances or just daily Christian life and they depart from the living God they're going to
suffer the consequences of those things and God doesn't want us to have a hardened heart
he wants us to trust him in every area of life every single day that's not what salvation is
salvation is a one-time event of trusting in Christ this guy clearly doesn't understand the
context of Hebrews 3 well in that case you could say that Saul didn't go to heaven because it says
that the Lord departed from Saul King Saul yeah and of course you know Demas wouldn't be saved
because he departed you even sit Jonah he had ran away from the presence of the Lord right
so of course it's not that you can't draw away from God as a Christian of course you can it's
just that you know we're not talking about going to heaven or hell here we're talking about your
relationship with God you can sometimes be closer I mean the Bible tells us to draw nigh on God
you'll draw nigh on us so our standing with God as far as how close a relationship is dependent
upon our daily action but it doesn't depend on if I go to heaven or hell how close I am to the Lord
yeah like if I'm living for the Lord and you know reading my Bible every day going soul winning
and just you know watching content just trying to get closer to God instead of worldly content
I'm gonna feel a lot closer with God than if I was like I said doing worldly things secular things
with that being said let's get into the next clip
and that indicates that we have the free will to walk away from God scripture number three
Exodus chapter 32 verses 31 through 33 he's really going here Moses pleaded with God to forgive the
Israelites for worshiping the golden calf verses 31 through 32 state and Moses returned unto the
Lord and said oh this people have sinned a great sin and have made them gods of gold yet now if
that won't forgive their sin and if not blot me I pray thee out of thy book which thou hast written
what God says next in verse 33 is significant it states and the Lord said unto Moses whosoever
hath sinned against me him will I blot out of my book this is talking about the book of life
because that is the only book that people's names get blotted out of for sinning according
to revelation chapter 3 verse 5 which says he that overcometh the same shall be clothed
in white raiment and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life but I will confess his
name before my father and before his angels the book of life records those who are saved
for example revelation chapter 20 verse 15 reads and whosoever was not found written in the book
of life was cast into the lake of fire so if your name could be removed from the book of life
for sinning against God that means you can lose your salvation scripture okay that is just this
guy does not get it well you know what's funny is um how he kind of went to some different verses
here because because number one he's not really slowing down to even pay attention to his own
logic he uses x's 32 and the bible does say whosoever has sinned against me him will I blot
out of my book well if we take that as an overly literal interpretation like he's doing then every
single person would already be blotted out of God's book of life because the bible says for
all of sin to come short of the glory of God so that's not the context in which we need to
interpret that verse is just saying anyone who sins is automatically blotted out of the book
but another thing that's funny is he went to revelation chapter number three and he
even quoted this but it says he that overcometh the same shall be clothed in white raiment and
I will not blot out his name out of the book of life so he's trying to say that you can be
blotted out of God's book and you can lose your salvation but this verse that he pointed to in
revelation 3 says he will not blot your name out of the book if you have overcome well if you if
you pay attention to first john chapter number five the bible says in verse number four for
whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world and this is the victor that overcometh the world
even our faith who is he that overcometh the world but he that believeth that Jesus the son of God
so the bible says the person who's overcome is the one who's believed in Jesus and according to
the verse he even pointed to it said if you've already overcome you can't be blotted out of the
book of life so he actually refruits his entire argument and proves that you can't lose your
salvation obviously those in exodus chapter 32 i believe is what he's quoting there in the beginning
of his video is just a reference to people that have never trusted in Christ who don't believe in
Jesus and because of their wicked evil sin of having worshipped false gods they basically lost
their opportunity to believe in Christ and be saved and and God's just going to punish them
and God ended up killing many of the people who ended up worshiping this false god for their
unbelief but it's very clear that you can't lose your salvation this guy is just jumping all over
the place and stories that that really have nothing to do with the context of salvation
anyways yeah all right well let's get to the next clip well the next uh one that he says
hence god that means you can lose your salvation
scripture number four john chapter 15 verses five through six here jesus said i am the vine ye are
the branches he that abideth in me and i in him the same bringeth forth much fruit for without me
you can do nothing if a man abide not in me he is cast forth as a branch and is withered and men
gather them and cast them into the fire and they are burned here jesus makes it plain that we need
to abide in him the word abide means remain in other words we need to stay in a relationship
with jesus it is our choice whether or not we want to do that we can choose to end that
relationship anytime we want if that happens jesus said that our fate is to be cast into the fire to
be burned in other words hellfire scripture well here in this clip he he just inserts a word that
was not found in the text hellfire for john chapter 15 does not say hellfire um and that would be kind
of a a twisting of this particular scripture the lord jesus christ is saying in john chapter 15
that you know after you've been saved you need to continue reading your bible praying seeking the
lord and he describes this as abiding in him and when you're abiding in christ you're going to end
up bringing forth more fruit and that fruit is you know of course reaching people the gospel
also evangelizing people discipling people you know just all all of the fruits of the spirit
are going to emanate out of reading the bible studying praying going to church doing the things
of god and he's saying if you're not abiding in me then you're not going to be able to do anything
he says if you're not doing these things you're also in danger of possibly being you know cast
away and you're in fire and you're going to be burned this is really just alluding to the fact
that if you're an unprofitable christian if you're not serving the lord then he may decide
to just simply get rid of you because you're worthless the point of pruning a tree
is because you don't want to waste resources of that tree on a branch that's not going to bring
forth any fruit so often anybody that actually produces fruit realizes they need to go through
fine branches that are unprofitable cut them off throw them in a fire because they're pointless
and god deals with christians the same way someone who's not bringing forth fruit and
basically worthless well god may end up pruning that particular individual from
his tree quote unquote or his vine and having him be burned but that doesn't mean that he's unsaved
you know i thought of first corinthians three the bible says in verse 13 every man's work
shall be manifest for the day shall declare it because it shall be revealed by fire
and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is if any man's work abide which he hath
built thereupon he shall receive reward if any man's work shall be burned he shall suffer loss
but he himself shall be saved yet so as by fire so the bible teaches that we're going to all be judged
and it's essentially like we go through the fire and when we go through the fire whatever's
left over that was an eternal value work is going to abide that wasn't hellfire that christians are
going to have to go through and this is every christian will have to go through this judgment
fire but another passage even in first corinthians chapter number five it says in verse number four
in the name of our lord jesus christ when you're gathered together and my spirit with the power of
our lord jesus christ to deliver such an one unto satan for the destruction of the flesh that the
spirit may be saved in the day of the lord jesus so first corinthians five is a church discipline
chapter about a guy in a very severe fornication relationship and the apostle paul is saying let's
deliver this guy to satan for the destruction of his flesh but his spirit is still going to be saved
by the lord jesus christ now we don't know how the the devil would particularly would kill this
person but he could kill them with fire and and that would fit exactly what john 15 is saying
here's a christian not serving god they're serving their own belly they're in deep fornication
and the christians throw them out of church the devil gets a hold of him burns him potentially
or kills him in some way yet it's still the guy is saved as very clearly evidence in first
corinthians chapter number five john 15 does not say hellfire and no a christian that's believed
in jesus christ could never go to hell all right let's go to the next clip
picture number five hebrews chapter 10 verses 26 through 27 there paul wrote for if we sin
willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth there remaineth no
more sacrifice for sins but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation
which shall devour the adversaries this is not talking about one sin by the way this is talking
about continuing in a life of sin after accepting jesus as your lord and savior sometimes christians
do sin at times willfully at times ignorantly when we become aware of our sins and are convicted
we should repent and confess our sins to god in the name of jesus however if we accept jesus
in our life and then live a life of constant sin stealing blaspheming fornicating using drugs and
alcohol and we don't repent from that then jesus's sacrifice doesn't count for our sins that's
because jesus's sacrifice only counts for the sins that we repent from that's why acts chapter 3
verse 19 says repent ye therefore and be converted that your sins may be blotted out scripture number
six wow if that's true then no one's saved obviously this guy thinks he's repented of
every single sin you know the bible says the thought of foolishness is sin has this guy stopped
having foolish thoughts well clearly not because he keeps twisting the bible also the bible tells
us that if you look upon a woman to lust after her in your heart you're committing a form of adultery
which you know what man is going to sit here and tell me that they've never had a lustful thought
ever then they're never going to have another one you know this this is silly to have this
idea they have to repent of all these sins or they don't count that that's not salvation by grace
that's not a free gift and really what he's doing is he's blaspheming the sacrifice of christ that
it wasn't sufficient but we actually look at the verses he brought up in hebrews 10
it does say in verses 26 and 27 virtually the same thing the king james says for if we sin willfully
after that we receive the knowledge of the truth there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins but
certain fearful looking for of judgment and fire indignation which should devour the adversaries
now again that fire and ignition is similar to a previous question that we looked at where we saw
that yeah you could be destroyed by the devil in first Corinthians chapter five yeah john 15 makes
it clear that you could be destroyed by fire physically but we're not talking about hellfire
here now if you keep reading in this passage which he stopped conveniently it says in verse number 29
of how much sore punishment suppose ye shall he be thought worthy who hath trodden underfoot the
son of god and accounted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified an unholy thing and
hath done despite in the spirit of grace so he's saying if you've been saved and you've been
sanctified this is the individual we're talking about you've received the spirit of grace aren't
you still going to receive a really sore punishment when you decide to just keep sinning
willfully even though you're saved and the answer is yes of course god will cloud up and reign on
christians who decide to just willfully rebel against him commit grievous sin and you know
that does happen we see people like saw being destroyed by the philistines for being a willful
sinner david did about as bad as you could do and he suffered greatly his child was taken from him
the child of his adultery was killed so of course there is going to be a severe punishment
for willful sinful sin and the bible saying it's a fearful thing to fall in the hands of the living
god do we not usually only sin willfully unless we're just that ignorant no i mean obviously
there's ways to sin that aren't necessarily as purposeful in the sense that maybe you're ignorant
perhaps you you sin and you're not really trying to uh go down that particular path because you
get tempted you're kind of caught away in the moment but there are sins that are a little bit
more purposeful in the sense that you know it's wrong you know what you're doing is evil and
you're not even you're not even trying to serve god you don't even care essentially you have no
fear of god is really the essence here then then god is going to really punish you more severely
and of course the the bible brings up a person that despised moses law in this particular passage
it's kind of someone who picked up sticks presumptuously on the sabbath day so it's kind
of using the same analogy in the sense that a christian that just knows it's wrong but doesn't
care i'm just going to do whatever i want well god's going to end up punishing that person very
severely i mean is there anybody who doesn't sin willfully at some point though i mean that sounds
ridiculous for someone saying well i don't sin willfully i just always do it ignorantly yeah i
think it's just a warning to all of us that when we decide to just rebel against god and we know
that what we're doing is wrong we should expect that god could or will punish us very severely
and that should motivate us to pray for and ask for forgiveness and ask for his grace and see the
lord so that he might spare us or give us mercy yeah and and we should not believe that somehow
just because we're saved it's like you said licensed to sin or that his grace is just going
to always cover that no matter what in the context of our personal life now his grace will cover that
as far as going to heaven or hell yeah and and again this this context in hebrews chapter number
10 is not talking about you know losing salvation it's again hebrews is really trying to emphasize
the importance of works serving god and how god's still very serious he's someone to fear even
though you can't go to hell there is still fiery indignation there is still a fire of this earth
and there is still a destruction of this earth that we should fear god and we should strive to
be pleasing to him every single day yeah that's the thing i mean people don't think that that's
a serious thing for god to punish us here on this earth i mean god can make us lose everything god
can do whatever he wants to us so yeah we should obviously fear the living crap out of god yeah
and of course the bible makes it clear that you know there's only one person we're supposed to
fear it's god if you were saved and you could never have any punishment on this earth then what
is there to fear exactly it takes all the fear out which but of course we're supposed to continue to
fear the lord uh yeah i don't have a crappy life here on this earth i mean i want to have a good
life here and go to heaven absolutely so let's roll the tape this guy be converted that your
sins may be blotted out scripture number six first corinthians chapter 9 verses 24 through 27
there paul wrote know ye not that they which run in a race run all but one receiveth the prize so
run that ye may obtain and every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things now they
do it to obtain a corruptible crown but we an incorruptible i therefore so run not as uncertainty
so fight i night as one that beat at the air but i keep my body and bring it into subjection lest
that by any means when i have preached to others i myself should be a castaway paul compared our
christian journey to a race he mentioned the importance of self-control and subjection and
indicated that if we don't practice those things in our christian life then we will be disqualified
from eternal life script well first of all the passage never brought up eternal life
additionally does this mean only one person gets saved because if he's going to say that the eternal
life's alluding to the prize it says only one receives the prize yeah um but of course you know
this it's silly because he just takes every passage that's saying the same thing motivating
us to serve god fearing the lord realizing there's still a punishment for christians
and of course being a castaway here is similar to all the other passages we've already looked at
like john 15 being cut out of the vine or potentially be kicked out of church or we see
the fiery indignation that could come in hebrews chapter number 10 it's all the same context of
the sins that once you've believed on the lord jesus christ and you're saved you should still
continue on serving and realizing this is kind of a a similar to a race where we're striving to
please the lord and to do good and in the same context of someone that's trying to win a race
physically would put a lot of effort in practice energy and try very hard is the same with how we
should in the christian life we should practice and work hard and train and and act like it's the
most important thing it's something that we're trying to win um and if you don't keep your body
in control if you're not trying to eliminate sin you could end up becoming a castaway and
someone that's just unprofitable not capable of competing anymore and and that's the context that
the apostle paul's bringing up and you know it's it's a great analogy that i think we can really
relate to but nowhere does it say that the apostle paul's afraid of going to hell i mean that's just
adding to the text and if it was talking about salvation it wouldn't be a like a reward or a
prize because salvation is a gift so that makes no sense not of works listen he mentioned both
couldn't you boast if you win the race yeah i mean if you win the race and you get the prize you're
kind of like holding up the trophy like look at me but of course salvation is not that it's it's
it's faith in jesus christ a one-time event and christ is the one that is responsible for our
salvation additional the additional works that we do can only be used to give us rewards in heaven
and and there is a reward of heaven that we're looking and striving for but you can only lose
out on rewards if you're saved you can't go to hell exactly all right let's roll it
scripture number seven first timothy chapter four verse one there it says now the spirit speaketh
expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing
spirits and doctrines of demons that verse clearly indicates that it is not only possible
to depart from the faith but that some believers will depart from the faith in the last days
scripture number eight pause it it's so annoying this guy's not king james i'm just frustrated
obviously that's why it's so funny he keeps going to verses of nothing to do with salvation
or eternal life he just has a cherry pick versus from epistles that are clearly written to save
people now timothy is a pastor he saved and the bible says in the latter times so it's not even
saying like this is all time it's saying there's a very specific time in history where this
particular event is going to happen and it's saying very clearly that some people are going
to depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctors devils what do we mean by
depart from the faith are we saying that they no longer believe in jesus christ
or is it that they particularly just are giving heed to false doctrine because if you actually
just keep reading because this is not even a full sentence if you notice that the the sentence
continues in verse two speaking lies in hypocrisy having the conscience seer of the hot iron
forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats which god hath created be received
with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth so what he's trying to say here
in first timothy is that towards the end times a lot of christians are going to end up giving
heed to false doctrine and they're essentially going to believe a lot of weird strange heresies
and false teachings that doesn't mean that you're unsaved just because you get away from god or you
learn a false doctrine or you end up hearing some heresy these heresies are not related to salvation
they're second they're not even secondary issues they're like tertiary or further down the food
chain of afar of just christian living like a preacher rapture yeah i mean it's even further
than that really honestly it's just it's talking about marriage and just what kind of food to eat
obviously that's important and i'm not saying that we shouldn't believe or teach those things
but this has nothing to do with if you believe in jesus christ as your lord and savior you've trusted
his death burn resurrection to be saved it's just saying that some christians are going to give heed
to false teaching and you read second timothy chapter before the bible says a lot of people
are going to end up giving heed to seducing spirits in the sense that they're going to have
itching ears and they're going to get all kinds of different teachers so it's it's possible for
someone to be saved and then get mixed up on doctrine or go down a dark road that does not mean
though that they are not saved because it doesn't say anything about salvation in this passage it's
not bringing up eternal life it's not bringing up hell it's just simply saying that some people
are going to get away from christian teaching if you did want to believe that this is saying that
they're not saved then it would just mean someone who's never saved it's just talking about a group
of people who simply are just getting away from what the bible just says on every issue
and they just teach all kinds of crazy stuff you know both interpretations would be plausible but
at the end of the day it has no indication that a saved person is going to hell yeah none of these
verses do well you know there's a lot of verses that talk about eternal life everlasting life
why isn't he using verses that actually use those phrases that's not his narrative apparently
uh so let's roll it some believers will depart from the faith in the last days
scripture number eight colossians chapter 1 verses 21 through 23 it says and you that were sometime
alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works yet now hath he reconciled in the body
of his flesh through death to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight
if you continue in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel
which you have heard and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven
whereof i paul and made minister here it clearly talks about people who have come into a saving
relationship with god people who have been reconciled to god and it mentions that in order
for them to be presented unblameable and unreproveable to god after jesus returns they
need to continue in the faith and maintain their hope of the gospel to the end the word if is even
used here which is conditional it says if you will continue in the faith and the hope then you
will be acceptable to god therefore the opposite obviously applies if you don't maintain your faith
and hope you will be lost scripture number nine now you know it's interesting he loves to go to
these passages that are very lengthy sentences i mean colossians chapter number one um the the
sentence that he's kind of starting with here starts in verse number 20 and it really goes
all the way to the end of the chapter the two verse 29 so this is a long long sentence that
the apostle paul is bringing up and of course what the apostle paul is wanting for these particular
individuals to have is the knowledge of god and and really i'm sorry i think i even uh
misstated it's actually starts in verse 19 um so it's even longer than i had originally stated
but when you look at this particular passage the apostle paul does say in the in the first verse
that he was kind of bringing up verse 21 and you that were sometime alienated and enemies in your
mind by wicked works yet now hath he reconciled so he's already saying these people are saved
and then he continues to say in the body of his flesh through death to present you
to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight if you continue
in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel
which you have heard and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven
where of i paul and made a minister who now rejoice in my sufferings for you and fill up
that which is behind of the afflictions of christ in my flesh for his body's sake which is the church
where have i made a minister according to the dispensation of god which is given to me for you
to fulfill the word of god even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations but
now is made manifest to the saints yeah i'm not going to read the entire verse here but
the apostle paul is making it clear that they were saved and that god had reconciled them
and he wants them to be considered unblameable and unreproveable in god's sight when he presents them
and he doesn't you kind of have to understand verse 21 he's not saying that what reconciled them
or to continue being reconciled they have to continue in the faith he's saying in order to
essentially be shown to be this unblameable unreproveable when he comes then you have to
continue in the faith and you have to continue you know living your life for the gospel's sake
you know another passage that kind of brings this concept up is first john chapter number
three i believe actually it's first i think it's first john chapter number two i said that wrong
says but the anointing which you have received of him abideth in you and neither that any man teach
you what does the same anointing teach you of all things in his truth and is no lie and even as it
hath taught you ye shall abide in him and now little children abide in him that when he shall
appear we may have confidence and not be ashamed before him at his coming so according to the bible
you can have a level of shame embarrassment in front of god whenever he returns and it's kind
of similar to the sense that you know when you're at home your parents said don't eat any cookies
and you ate all the cookies and you have the crumbs on your face and dad walks in
well you kind of feel embarrassed for what you've done yeah and the same goes with christ you know
when christ comes back or when we die and we have to be presented to the lord we want to have done
the best that we possibly can we don't want to be embarrassed by the fact that we didn't serve him
right that we ended our life in shame backslidden exactly so he wants us to continue in the faith
not so that we can go to heaven but so that we can be pleasing in his sight we can receive rewards
and of course that's what the apostle paul is trying to continue to imply in colossians
chapter one he wants the colossians church to do that and he's saying you you had wicked works
but you've been reconciled from that and he's trying to tell him like don't continue doing
that continue in the faith and continue serving the lord so that you can be presented as unblameable
and and all these different attributes that he's kind of using you know the bible wants
us to be presented as chase virgins in a sense to the lord meaning that we are obedient we're
serving god and for masters or for teachers of the bible it's actually a shame unto us if the people
that are under our oversight are just these rebellious god-hating you know not god-hating
probably a little extreme but just rebellious just backslidden christians you know that's kind
of a shame and reproach unto us is not having led you know god's sheep in the right direction
we want them to be chastened and sanctified those that were under our leadership tutelage you know
even our wives our children we should continue to encourage them to serve god and and we have
a little bit of responsibility for what god's entrusted us ourselves and the people under us
so you know again he's just cherry picking a random verse adding his own interpretation to it
still has nothing to do with eternal life everlasting life doesn't bring up heaven or hell
um you know he just wants to use the scriptures to his uh to fit his dogma that he already he
already believes he can lose his salvation so he's just trying to find it right he's not letting the
text speak for itself he wants to lose his own salvation well he doesn't even have it number one
the guy's not even saved number one and then number two uh even if he was if you were saved
even if you thought you could lose it you can't see eternal life is only eternal if you do the
works did you see the verse that said that i mean if there's a verse that says that why wouldn't you
just point to it he has to go to those obscure places and and teach things out of context and
when they it's funny because when the people say well see you need to have the obedience to
maintain the eternal life otherwise you lose it but the thing is how obedient what what's the
spectrum they they can't tell you yeah i mean is this guy just repented of all according to his
testimony you'd have to think he's a printed of all of his sins all 10 million he's continuing
in the faith perfectly yeah well first of all he doesn't have a king james bible so he needs to get
the right bible number one needs to get the right gospel number two he needs to stop being so
effeminate you know that's another sin that this guy clearly has so i mean it seems like this guy
doesn't have a chance to be saved let's roll it the applies if you don't maintain your faith and
hope you will be lost scripture number nine first samuel chapter 10 verse 6 this scripture and
i was gonna do something show me show go back to the camera on us
if you don't have your faith you will be lost okay buddy see did you just see that pastor
shelly that you see they don't have their faith so you know what happened they lost their eternal
life this guy's really soft for me i don't i don't know it's hard to listen to their eternal life
baby okay let's go back to the clip
after number nine first samuel chapter 10 verse 6 this scripture and speaking about king saul
and a meeting he had with the prophets says and the spirit of the lord will come upon thee and
thou shalt prophesy with them and shalt be turned into another man king saul was converted by the
holy spirit verse 9 even says that god gave him a new heart that's what conversion is all about
it's about changing our hearts and minds so that we want to serve god but king saul didn't stay
that way he ended up departing from god and becoming lost king saul continually disobeyed
god to the point that in first samuel chapter 15 verse 11 the lord said it repenteth me that i have
set up saul to be king for he is turned back from following me and hath not performed my
commandments as a result king saul lost his connection with god first samuel chapter 28
verse 6 says and when saul inquired of the lord the lord answered him not neither by dreams nor
by urim nor by prophets first samuel chapter 16 verse 4 even goes so far as to say that the spirit
of the lord departed from saul he had lost the holy spirit he was basically without god and
lost at this point he had totally backslidden moreover he became so desperate to receive divine
revelation that in first samuel chapter 28 saul goes to the witch of indor and ends up
communicating with a demonic spirit that pretends to be the prophet samuel and the result was
disastrous he committed suicide in a battle against the philistines the next day scripture
number to pause that so number one he has no clear verse that says anything about saul going
to hell he he brings up the fact that the spirit lord had departed from him but that's different
than when someone's been sealed by the holy spirit he's talking about an old testament
instance in which the spirit of the lord would come upon someone they would speak the words of
god and saul is considered a prophet in the bible now what a what a confusing story to read about
how god used somebody that was considered little in his own sight to be the first king of israel
to do great works to prophesy and preach the word of god and arguably his son jonathan was a great
man as well to just say that this guy's an unsaved person that lost to salvation burning in hell
well you know he he goes to first samuel 28 and he says that's that this person that samuel is
pretending to be samuel we have no indication that it's a it's someone pretending to be samuel
you know according to the narrator of the chapter it just says it's samuel and of course the
narrator of the bible is the holy spirit so you know it stands to reason that first samuel is
actually indicating that this really was samuel and when samuel talks to the king king saul here
in verse number 19 it says moreover the lord will also deliver israel with the end of the hand of
the philistines and tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me the lord also shall deliver the
host of israel into the hand of the philistines so according to the bible samuel said that the
next day saul would be with him and not just saul his sons well if you have if you believe that
saul's unsaved then you would also have to believe that jonathan's unsaved because it said that both
of them were going to the exact same place but but jonathan does nothing wrong jonathan's a great
guy in the bible i mean he does have one issue where he kind of rebels against his father but
for the most part jonathan loves david he does good he's a faithful son i mean what's the
indication that jonathan lost his salvation or such a bad guy there is none because both saul
and jonathan were saved even at their death david praises them and and talks how how very greatly of
these men why if they were so unsaved did david praise saul and jonathan if he it's just so clear
that he's not he's burning in hell or something like that that's not what the bible teaches saul
is obviously in heaven and it just goes to show that even if you commit suicide and get away from
the lord you can still be saved it's actually a great picture of someone that can't lose their
salvation no matter how far they fall away from the lord as opposed to what this guy's interpreting
that somehow saul is in hell right now in the book of luke i think it's chapter 12 or 13 it
says all the prophets are in heaven i mean i'm not necessarily verbatim but of course they would be
holy men of god spake as they're moved by the holy ghost so it's saying holy men the only way
to be holy is have christ's holiness imputed unto you so of course god is only going to speak through
those who were saved the people that gave us the bible are are saved of course god could
potentially speak through someone that's not saved you know the bible records even a donkey speaking
but that doesn't that's not a holy prophet that wasn't a man of god you know the the king saul
had the spirit lord come upon him several times in the bible he's clearly saved this guy is the
one who's not saved and another thing is when he said that uh the you know the psychic that saul
went to see um that she was talking to demons then why when she saw samuel did she freak out
and shout because she definitely saw samuel the real samuel yeah i mean she definitely had a
unique experience i don't know what the other experiences are like right you know but at the
same time it's certainly a strange story you know it's not like a normal story we don't really see
other examples per se of people with a familiar spirit necessarily interacting with the lord but
you know we have stories like balaam and balaam according to the new testament is unsaved he's
a false prophet yet god spoke to him god gave him words to deliver unto uh different kings and so
you know god can technically use anybody but the reasons why we know saul is saved is very clearly
you know in this passage he's going to be with samuel he's going to be with um jonathan uh he
had the spirit of lord come on him several times he's a prophet of god god used him to be the first
king you know there's a lot of indication that saul is saved but i think verse samuel 28 proves
the opposite of what this guy is espousing quick actually from luke so it says here in luke chapter
13 verse 28 there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth when ye shall see abraham and isaac and
jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of god and you yourselves thrust out so it says
right there all the prophets are in heaven yeah i think that that's a an interesting verse that
never really considered um but of course anybody that was a prophet of god and in a true sense is
going to be in heaven i actually got that from pastor anderson because he did a sermon on first
samuel 28 so i was like well okay so he's talking about saul and uh solomon it's like obviously
they're in heaven then that they're prophets absolutely and you know of course jesus when he
talks about the old testament he would call it the law and the prophets and so having that title of
prophet is kind of a special title and the bible you know makes it clear that saul was a prophet
so therefore if those things are true then he has to be in heaven um you know god's not going to
call someone a prop you know in ephesians chapter 4 he tells us that he gave gifts unto men and it
includes apostles and prophets um obviously every apostle you know every prophet is is a saved man of
god obviously judas was considered apostle but he wasn't like a real true apostle he was replaced
and so yeah he never believed but when it comes to king saul i think that there's more than an
abundant evidence that he is saved and he went to he went to um heaven but you know this guy
clearly showed proof texts that he was saved like he's trying to say like hey look see this guy's
saved yeah but then he doesn't show any clear text that says that he's unsaved obviously the
spirit lord could depart from you in the sense that you could not be filled with the spirit
as much you could grieve the holy spirit but he's trying to use a a phenomena found in the
new testament of the indwelling of the holy ghost and use that against saul when that's that's
really just a fundamental uh misunderstanding of the difference between the old and new testament
so okay all right let's roll it
the next day scripture number 10 revelation chapter 12 verses 7 through 9 it says and there
was war in heaven michael and his angels fought against the dragon and the dragon fought and his
angels and prevailed not neither was their place found anymore in heaven and the great dragon was
cast out that old serpent called the devil and satan which deceiveth the whole world he was cast
out into the earth and his angels were cast out with him lucifer who we now know as satan was
created as a perfect angel in heaven but as a result of rebelling against god he was cast out
this is one of the strongest evidences for me that someone saved can end up lost lucifer was
actually better than saved he was created sinless and lived in heaven the one saved always saved
doctrine was not a part of christianity until john calvin began teaching it in the 16th century
the bible makes it clear that you can fall from grace depart from god and be blotted out of
god's book of life after you have been saved the bible also emphasizes that we need to keep the
faith and hope in jesus to the end if we expect to make it to heaven king saul is a very good
example of someone who started out saved but then ended up lost because he continually disobeyed god
and lucifer who was created perfect in heaven was cast out because of his rebellion against god
there are a lot more details to this issue and if you'd like to know more i'll include a link
this guy's a bozo he doesn't even try to to look up real history to claim that
that one saved always saved or eternal security started with john calvin is just to reject just
all of history since there's plenty of church fathers that you could read prior to john calvin
believing in eternal security but you also have people like the apostle paul and you have plenty
of people in the bible clearly believing in eternal security the bible teaches eternal
security uh what a bizarre passage to go to and suggest that you can lose your salvation because
the devil was cast out of heaven you know number one if we even just think about this logically
the devil is not a man so you know why would i apply the devil situation to mine we're different
you know the bible doesn't talk about the gospel for angels it talks about the gospel for man
secondly he's not the only perfect being because adam is created perfect in the garden of eden
but adam sinned but that doesn't mean that adam lost his salvation adam wasn't saved he didn't
need to be saved he was perfect he ended up sinning which ended up bringing in condemnation
and then adam needed to be sent saved later so to suggest that someone that's a perfect creation
and then sinning loss of salvation is is really just a misunderstanding of almost the entire
bible the bible pretty much even teaches unless you're catholic you wouldn't even you wouldn't
even doubt this that we all start out sinless anyways you know babies are born in innocence
you know baby's not an automatic sinner until they commit their first sin but they didn't
lose their salvation they weren't saved yet therefore a baby that dies in the womb or you
know before they can even think or talk or or really have any consciousness they automatically
go to heaven it's once you've sinned and now you've crossed this threshold into having an
understanding and realization of sin that you need to be saved and of course anybody that's
lived any length of time is is a sinner we all need to be saved that's why it's important to
get children saved at a very young age um it's silly to think that just because someone starts
out perfect and then they end up sinning that's losing their salvation that's a completely
different concept so this guy's mixing up concepts thinking that the devil falling from heaven
is that you can't be saved you know who came up with that doctrine the devil because he wants to
drag as many people down with him into hell like this guy this guy is just a pawn of the devil
of satan trying to drag people down into hell with him he doesn't understand the scriptures he's not
saved you know the bible's crystal clear you know if you believe on jesus christ you have everlasting
life you have eternal life you can't lose that you know this guy should just really just stop
making youtube videos um i i don't even see how anybody watches them he's so like effeminate and
just soft and he doesn't understand the bible that's what people like these days he must be
buying youtube videos or something you know what the thing is man i've said this over and over
all the scriptures about eternal security are so clear but these ones once again they're going in
and twisting things up see it means this actually trying to scare people well think about it he
said in this video his clearest indication of how you can lose salvation is the fact that the
devil's cast out of heaven what that's not even that's so bizarre yeah and it uses some twisted
logic to even come to that conclusion when you have clear verses in the bible telling you that
if you believe in him you everlasting life you can't come into condemnation that we're saved by
grace he ignores every verse that's really clear about salvation and just uses his own twisted
logic to prove the guy's not see you're saved by grace and it's a gift but you have to maintain
the gift you gotta make you got there's called it's called maintenance okay see jesus you know
he paid part of it but you still gotta make the down payment you idiot well then it's not a gift
well you know it is but you gotta just maintain it okay it's a gift but and you're saved but if
you don't have the works then you're not saved and we can go back and forth about this all day
these people make no sense absolutely this guy doesn't understand the bible whatsoever it's just
a constant twisting they'll say one thing then they'll say the other thing here they just keep
going back and forth these people don't make any sense but somebody like you um and uh you know
pastor anderson pastor robinson pastor uh mahia the it's always the same thing it's direct it's
straightforward but these people are constantly twisting the scriptures i mean how do people keep
watching this garbage it's mind-blowing well the natural man received not the things of the spirit
of god for their foolishness unto him so unfortunately the whole world is is mostly
unsaved and so they're just kind of blind it's the blind leading the blind in a lot of cases
and what they need is they need exposure to the gospel they need people to come out there and show
them the gospel show them it's a free gift show them that they can't lose salvation and of course
we could be in the last days and the bible does warn there's gonna be a lot of false teachers
and a lot of false prophets out there and so we have to you know essentially be that light
shining out there because a lot of bozos like this guy exists yeah i love that word bozo um
but yeah this was awesome and i hope this just opens your guys eyes that you cannot lose your
salvation once saved only saved is fact that's what the bible teaches and all the scriptures
that uh talk about eternal security it means what it says that it's eternal life that's something
that you cannot lose is the gift of god do you have anything else to add no and again i i want
people to understand just because you believed in once they've always saved doesn't make you
a calvinist or someone that adheres to john calvin i'd strongly disagree with a lot of aspects of
calvinism in fact they're a little tulip i disagree with all five points of that you know you don't
have to persevere under the end and works if someone believes in the lord jesus christ they're
saved of course they'll always continue believing that jesus is their savior i don't think someone
will ever unrealize that truth but at the same time once you're saved you're always saved
you don't have to be a calvinist you don't have to have these labels but you know if you believe
in jesus christ you can know for sure you're saved yeah even saul was believing absolutely
he trusted in the lord and by grace he was saved exactly all right guys that concludes the video
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