And it's it's your thing.
Yeah, but when I when I would watch that I was like man, this
is like intense and stuff. I'm like, this guy is filled with
the spirit. And yeah, no, I'm just like, man, I really hate
this guy.
See here.
It takes like a minute to get more people in.
Oh, yeah.
I'm pretty open to just do whatever you want, man. Okay,
glad to be here. It's good to be here. And then we then we can
just vibe a little bit. Then we can just answer people's
questions or whatever, who in the comments as well. Okay.
How long how long have you been pastoring, by the way? So I've
been serving in ministry in some capacity since 2015. Okay. I've
been at first in Roy since early 2019. So I've been the pastor
here before coming here. I was the youth pastor, the church
that I was at before. So large Baptist Church, and I was the
youth pastor there for a little bit. And that was a really good
time. You know, I feel like it helped bear me for where I am
now. And I definitely enjoyed it.
Okay, cool, man. And let's get in. Let's get into this.
Talking about how God. Let's see, trying to find the verse
here. Okay. How God predestinated us.
Okay, so in order to talk about predestination and foreknowledge,
you know, just a couple things to put down as like a ground
rule and a rubric to think with something my pastor said to me a
long time ago, and I think that it's the right way to think he
said, we don't believe manmade positions, we believe the Bible.
So a lot of people think in the paradigm of like, you're either
a Calvinist, or you're an Armenian. And I think we should
just forget both of those things, and just believe what
the Bible says. Right. So I don't think it's helpful to say
this is my system, this is my team, this is my camp, and I'm
going to ride or die for it. I think it's helpful to say
whatever the Bible says, that's what I believe. So I think first
and foremost, we need to say like, I'm not a Calvinist, I'm
not an Armenian mobile believer. And whatever the Bible says is
what I want to is what I want to align my thoughts with my
doctrine. The second thing I would say is another thing that
my pastor said to me one time is Roman Catholics believe the
Trinity to what he meant by that is just because a false group,
or just because a false system believes something doesn't mean
that we should automatically rejected. Right. So you get a
lot of dudes in Baptist circles who will say things like, I
don't believe in predestination, or like, there is no such thing
as predestination. And the reason they say that is because
they rightly recognize the problems that Calvinism has. But
the problem is, in order to try to not be lumped in with
Calvinists, or not to believe like Calvinists, they take
something that the Bible clearly teaches, and then say, we don't
believe it. And so in order to talk about those things, the
first couple things I'd say is, first of all, like, we don't
believe manmade positions, we believe the Bible. And second of
all, just because an errant group believes something doesn't
mean we should reject it wholesale. Right now, what they
believe about predestination is not exactly the same as what the
Bible teaches. And that's where the rub is. That's where the
real problem is. So on the subject of foreknowledge on the
subject of predestination, some text to look at Romans 828,
through the end of the chapter, Ephesians chapter one, non
chapter 10, maybe John chapter six. And a few of these
passages, I think are really helpful. And they really like,
flesh the doctrine out really well. And so I don't know if you
want to start maybe in Romans chapter eight, I think is a good
place is a good place to start and kind of just look at what
the Bible says. Yeah. If you're if, if you want to jump in or
something, man, just go ahead and stop me.
Yeah, I was just letting you talk. Yeah. Romans chapter eight.
Where does it start? If you if we just start in verse 28? I'm
definitely a Baptist. And so like, if I start talking, dude,
I'll just keep talking. So if you just Oh, yeah. Then on me,
like, that's totally fine. We're reading the NLT. Correct? Yeah,
yeah. No, we're not.
Let me just be okay. 28. Starting in verse 28. Yeah. And
it says, in Romans chapter eight, starting verse 28. Bible
reads, and we know that all things work together for good to
them that love God to them who are the called according to his
purpose, for whom he did for no, he also did predestinate to be
conformed to the image of his son, that he might be the first
born among many brethren. Moreover, whom he did
predestinate them he also called and whom he called them he also
justified, and whom he justify them he also glorified.
So, a few things to just look at this passage about first of all,
if you'll notice that verse 28 opens up by saying, and we know
that all things work together for good to them that love God.
So there's a specific group of people that are in view in this
passage and the group of people that in context are in view, is
those who love God. And what it says about these people is that
they are the called according to his purpose. This is the same
language used in Ephesians chapter one, we'll look at it in
a moment. But if you'll notice at the beginning of verse 29, it
says for whom he did for no, there's a group of people, what
theologians often call the elect, the chosen, the key.
However, you want to phrase that, there is a group of people
who God has for no. Now, what this means is that God knows
that these are his people, these are the ones that are going to
be saved, right? It says for whom he did for no, them he did
also predestinate. And notice that the predestination is that
they will be conformed to the image of his son. Now, this is a
huge, important text for the doctrine of eternal security.
And here's the reason. Because what it is saying is that if
you're foreknown, and if you're predestined, you can never lose
your salvation, because your destiny is to be conformed to
the image of Jesus Christ. And if we didn't believe in the
doctrine of predestination, and God's exhaustive foreknowledge,
we would not be able to have the level of assurance in our
salvation and our security and salvation that we do have.
Right, I know that he who has begun a good work in me, is
going to perform it into the day of Jesus Christ. And I know that
he's going to do that because he's the one who began it, he's
the one who continues it, and he's the one that's going to
complete it. And so just like this text says here, it says
whom he did for no, that he foreknows a people. And those
people that are foreknown are the ones that are going to be
saved. It says those are the ones that are predestined. And
then it says that they're predestined to be conformed to
the image of his son. And notice it says that he might be the
firstborn among many brethren. And so in verse 30, it gives
what is called the Bolden chain of redemption. There's five
links in this chain. Link one is foreknowledge. Link two is
predestination. Link three is calling. Link four is
justification. And link five is glorification. So if God foreknows
you, then God predestined you. If God predestines you, then God
calls you. If God calls you, then God justifies you. And if
God justifies you, then God glorifies you. There is no one
who is foreknown, predestined, called, justified, who will be
lost. And there is no one that is not foreknown, who will be
saved. Now, this is where Calvinists run off the rails,
where they run off the rails that they teach that in the same
way that God foreknows the people, he actively reprobates
and damns people before the creation of the world. And
that's not when reprobation happens. Reprobation happens in
space and in time. Election happens according to God's
foreknowledge in eternity past. But reprobation happens in space
and time, right? Romans chapter one, even if they did not like
to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over
for the reprobate mind to do those things which are not
convenient, right? That happened in space that happened in time,
where God took out his stamp and put rejected.
Yeah, that that Calvinist doctrine would make no sense if
you're reading Romans chapter one in correct context.
Correct. So, so God doesn't reprobate people from eternity
past. But according to his exhaustive foreknowledge, right,
since God knows all things, right, God knows the end, and
God knows the beginning. And God knows everything in between. God
knows who his people are. This is why Jesus said in john
chapter 10, he said, my sheep, hear my voice, I know them, and
they follow me. Right. So what that passage is saying is
something similar to Romans eight here, it's saying that
Jesus has sheep. And how do we know who those sheep are? Well,
those sheep hear his voice, right? So it's the same, almost
exactly the same thing as moreover, whom he did
predestinate them, he did also, Paul, right. And when those who
are predestined are called, they come. And because they come,
they're justified. And that's why Jesus says, my sheep hear my
voice, I know them, and they follow me, I give unto them
eternal life, and they shall never perish, right? Neither
shall any man put them out of my out of my hand, my father, which
gave them to me is greater than all. And no man is able to pluck
them out of my father's. Right. So Jesus even says that those
sheep who come, he says that they're given to him by the
Father. And so as you if you look here in Romans eight, in
verse 29, it says, for whom he did for know, so God for knows
the people, he did also predestinate. And so those who
are foreknown, he predestines, and then it says to be conformed
to the image of his son. So the destiny of every person that is
predestined, because they're foreknown, is to be glorified,
that when Jesus Christ came out of the grave on the third day,
he came out of the grave with a perfect body, right, his body
was glorified. And the destiny of all those who are foreknown
in predestined is to have the same glorified body as Jesus.
That's why the Bible says in another place, he'll change our
vile bodies to be fashioned like unto his glorious body. Right.
And so the destiny of all those who are known, that have been
set by God is that they will be like Jesus. Make sense?
Yes, that makes sense.
Okay, so once God foreknows and predestines, go ahead, man,
sorry.
No, just say what you're gonna say real quick.
Obviously, so once God foreknows and predestines, that's when God
begins to act in space and time to bring about his plan. Right.
So that's where verse 30 begins. So verse 30 says, Moreover, whom
he did predestinate, them he also called. So since God foreknows
them and predestines them, he calls them. Yeah, every everyone
is called. Yeah, everyone has light. Everyone is called. But
the difference is, sorry, sorry, I was gonna say, it's
funny, because, because if everyone's, that's not the cat
that would Calvinists believe, though, the Calvinists believe
only certain people are called.
Yeah. So you know, the thing about Calvinism is it's such a
mixed bag, you'll get one belief from one, and you'll get another
belief from another. Yeah. Because there's so many
different Calvinists. And that's why, like, again, like the best
principle to operate off of is like, we don't believe manmade
positions, we believe the Bible. Right. And so that's exactly
right. So everyone is called, but like Jesus said, many are
called, you are chosen, you are chosen. And so since everyone is
called, the difference between those who respond to the call,
and those who do not, is that God foreknows them and
predestines them. So when he calls them, they come. That's
why Jesus said, my sheep hear my voice, I know them, they follow
me. So when people ask the question, then like, well, how
do I know, right? Like, how do I know if I'm predestined? Here's
the question, right? You came to Christ, if you came to Christ,
and you know, right, like, it's the same, it's the same question
that people ask, Well, how do I know if I'm saved? Well, Jesus
said, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and then I shall be
saved. Right? So you believe, if you do, you know, you're saying,
right. And so, so, here, here, notice, the next step is, after
calling, when they come, and they put their faith in Jesus,
it says they're justified. And justified is just a word that
means acquitted of their sins mean declared to be innocent,
and then declared to be righteous. And they're declared
innocent and righteous, not on the basis of their works, but on
the basis of Christ work on the cross, right? Because they
believe Jesus, right, Jesus shed his blood, they come to Jesus,
and they say, we can't save ourselves. But we believe that
you can save us, right, your blood, and they're safe. So it
says, moreover, we need to predestinate them, he also
called and whom he called them, he also justified. And then it
says, and whom he justified them, he also glorified. So the
destiny of every person who has had their sins forgiven, you're
justified right now, you will be glorified, right? There is no
person who's forgiven right now, that will later stand before God
and he'll be like, just kidding, you're not actually saying,
right? He's gonna just play a prank on them.
This is why Jesus says in Matthew seven, many will come to
me in that day, and say, Lord, Lord, have you not prophesied in
thy name, have you not cast out devils in thy name. And in thy
name, we've done many wonderful works. And then I will I will
profess unto them, depart from me, I never knew you, right? Not
I used to know you, but I never knew you. Right. And that's part
of that exhaustive foreknowledge of God, right? Like God knows
his people, right? predestined his people, God calls his
people, yeah, God forgives his people or justifies his people.
And then eventually, when we're risen from the dead, that the,
you know, at the Trump at the twinkling of an eye when when
Christ comes on the clouds, which is a different subject for
a different time that a lot of people are wrong. A lot of
people are wrong about the timing of all that, but that's
okay. I mean, I believe in a post trip. Yeah, yeah, a lot. A
lot of people are wrong about that. You know, they don't
understand. I think where you're at, right? That, that it says
that the Antichrist must be revealed first, right? Right.
And that that they won't come until he is. But either way,
because the thing is, the thing is, if you if you believe in a
pre tribulation rapture, the book of Revelation won't even
make any sense to you.
Yeah, it's really hard to make heads or tails.
And it's like, well, why do I even need the book of
Revelation? I won't even be there.
Yeah, well, if you have to make heads or tails of the book of
Revelation, you know, I preach verse by verse through every
verse of the book of Revelation. It's on my channel, you can find
it on YouTube at that FBC Roy. I believe in historic
premillennialism, which means that I believe that the church
is Israel. I don't believe that God has one people in the Old
Testament and another people in the New Testament. I believe
that there's one people and that there are one people that are
united in Christ. The seed is right. Yeah, I mean, how could
you read the whole New Testament and believe, you know, not
believed in that? It just doesn't make you know,
that's because most of those people, they have little
footnotes at the bottom of their Bible that say like, hey, this
verse doesn't actually mean what it says, you know, right. So
oh, yeah, you just get if you just get a Bible that doesn't
have all those footnotes at the bottom to tell you to believe
wrong, who probably be a lot better off,
who are the people that made that? That, uh, that study
Bible, where it basically in the 1800s? I can't remember I was
probably probably see I Schofield.
Schofield reference Bible. Yeah. And I don't know if I might be
wrong, but did they not take verses out to fit our belief? I
don't know. I don't know if Schofield took verses out. But
if you look at like Genesis chapter one in the Schofield
reference Bible, he put stuff literally in the body of the
text. So like between Genesis one verse one and Genesis one
verse two, it has a little little inserted part of
Schofield's doctrine that there was first earth and then between
Genesis one, one and Genesis one, two, there's no second
earth. So he does a lot of stuff like that, as well as in his
notes at the bottom. He's like, I don't believe this verse. Oh,
my the oldest, most reliable manuscripts, that kind of stuff.
That's so weird. That's
as a rabbit trail, but about three about predestination. So I
think this this passage here is clear, right? Like those five
links in the golden chain is for knowledge, predestination,
calling, justification, and glorification. Right? So since
God knows the beginning from the end, he knows his people, he
predestines his people, he calls his people, he justifies his
people, and then he ultimately glorifies his people. Yeah.
Another place to look at is, if you look at the book of First
Peter, chapter chapter one, there's another there's another
there's another statement there about God's foreknowledge and
the election that is according to that foreknowledge. Okay, so
let me see here. I'm sorry, I was having an issue with my
computer, my computer out of nowhere. My gosh, I'm so hang
tight with me for one second here. My goodness, man, this is
a nightmare. It's like, I don't know what the heck the deal is.
Okay, give me one second. What is this? Goodness, dude. It's
like, I don't even know what this is going on.
While you're working on that, man.
Yeah, I don't know how many I don't know how many people are
watching. I don't know exactly what's going on. But I think
it's always a good time to maybe share the good news about Jesus
Christ. Oh, go ahead. You know, the Bible says in the book of
Romans, chapter number three, it says for all have sinned and
come short of the glory of God. The truth is that even though
most of us try to be good people, we're all sinners, and
we've all all broke God's law. We've all done things that we're
not proud of. We all have done things that God has told us not
to do. That's what the definition of sin is. It says in
the Bible that sin is the transgression of God's law. The
Bible is real clear all of sin and come short of the glory of
God. You know, and because of our sin, God has a payment that
he's going to pay to us someday. And that payment is death. Book
of Romans chapter six and verse 23 says the wages of sin is
death. You know, that's not just talking about physical death.
But it's also talking about spiritual death. The Bible is
real clear that it's appointed on demand wants to die, but
after the judgment, we're all going to stand before God and
because of our sin, he's going to judge us. And because of our
sin, he's going to find us guilty. The book of Revelation
in chapter 21, in verse number eight, it says all liars shall
have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and
brimstone. This is the second death. I know that hell is an
uncomfortable topic, and most preachers don't want to touch
it with a 10 foot pole in the 21st century. But the truth is
just because people don't talk about it doesn't mean it's not a
real place. And every single person deserves to go there.
Because we have personally sinned against the Holy God.
That's why the Bible says the wages of sin is death. That's
really bad news, that every person is sinful, but because of
every person sin, they deserve to go to hell. That's really bad
news. But the good news is that God loves us. And he doesn't
want us to go to hell. He doesn't want to send us to hell.
What he wants to do is save us. And God sent Jesus Christ to be
the sinless sacrifice for our sins. Jesus Christ, the eternal
Son of God came on earth. He was God in flesh. He did miracles.
The Bible says that everywhere that Jesus went, he went about
doing good. He walked on water, he turned water into wine. The
Lord Jesus Christ performed miracles such as giving sight to
the blind, raising the dead. And how did humanity repay him for
all of the wonderful works that he demonstrated to them? They
nailed him to the cross. But the good news is, is that while
Jesus Christ was on the cross, every sin that you've ever done
and every sin that I've ever done, Jesus Christ took those
sins in his own body. The Bible says in the book of First
Peter, chapter two, who himself bear our sins in his own body
while he was on the tree. The Lord Jesus took all of my sin,
he took all of your sin, he took all of the sins of every person
that is listening to me, and every sin of every person who
has ever lived as well on himself. And as he hung on the
tree, he faced the penalty that you deserve and the penalty that
I deserve. The payment that should be paid to us was paid to
Jesus. The wrath of God that we deserve fell upon Jesus. The
Bible says in the book of Isaiah 53, it pleased the Lord to
bruise him. In the book of Second Corinthians, it says for
he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin that we
might be made the righteousness of God in him. When Jesus hung
on the cross, he took my sin, he took your sin upon himself.
And the payment that we could never pay, he paid it. The
justice that we could never withstand, he took it in our
place. The death that we deserve to die, he died it for us. It is
often called the vicarious suffering of Jesus Christ that
he substituted himself for us on the cross. And Jesus truly died.
They took him off of the cross and he was in the grave for
three days and three nights, but he rose again the third day.
And when he rose again from the dead, he truly rose again with
the body that he went into the grave with. He's not just a
spirit, he's a glorified man. And he conquered death. He says
in the book of Revelation, I am he that liveth, was dead, and
behold, I'm alive forevermore and have the keys of hell and of
death. And that's great news that Jesus lived and died for
all of us. But there's something that we have to do.
And this is the part where most people get off the rails and
they don't understand. There's something that we have to do and
it's not join the church. It's not do good works. It's not
turn over a new leaf and never mess up again. What we have to
do is put all of our faith and all of our trust in Jesus. Jesus
said, Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I
will give you rest. The most famous verse in the Bible is
John chapter three, verse 16. For God so loved the world that
he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him
should not perish but have everlasting life. That verse
doesn't say, do better, try harder, never mess up again,
join the church, pay your tithes. Those are all things
that we should do. We should join the church, we should pay
our tithes. We should try to live good lives. But doing those
things is not how we accept the free gift that God's going to
give to us. That verse says that it's by believing in Jesus,
believing that his death, believing that his burial,
believing that his resurrection is enough to forgive you for
your sins. Now, the verse that I like to talk about a lot because
of where I live out here in Utah and Mormon country is Ephesians
chapter two, verses eight through nine. It says, for by
grace, are you saved through faith, and that not of
yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man
should boast. That passage says that God's grace is a gift. We
don't pay for a gift. The gift that is paid for is paid for by
the person who gives it. And Jesus pays for that gift on the
cross. And we receive it freely. We just put out our hand and say
Jesus, save me, I believe that you will. And when we do that,
that's when we're saved. And I don't know who's listening. I
don't know who's going to listen in the future. But I would just
encourage everyone to look away from whatever you were trusting
in before. If you were trusting in your good life, you need to
look away from that. If you were if you were trusting in your
church membership, you need to look away from that. If you were
trusting in your good works, you need to look away from that and
fully to the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Because if you
look to anything or anyone else other than Jesus, they'll be
lost. Because only Jesus can save. And he says that he saves
those who believe. And what he means by that is those who trust
that he is the Savior, and that what he did is enough. I just
encourage everyone to trust Jesus.
Amen to that. You just forgot to tell everybody that the term
from all their sins to be saved. Well, well, if that's
what you have to save the no one saved, right? Look, I love when
they say, salvation is free, but it'll cost you your life. I'm
like, wait, what?
Free, but it's a million dollars. Yeah, yeah. It's but
that's fine print.
And it's funny, those same people will call us cheap grace.
I'm like, No, this is free grace. You believe in a cheap
grace.
You know, there, there's a, there's a there's like a
historical context that you can put all of that in. And there
was a in the in the Church of Scotland. Some several years
back, there was a presbytery that would make its ministers
affirm a quotation in order to be fit for the ministry and and
what they would make them affirm is the statement, I believe that
it is not sound or orthodox, who tell men that they must forsake
sin in order to come to Christ. And what they were called is the
merriment. And there was some guys that got mad about that,
just like there's people that get mad about that today. And
they brought up those guys on charges. But guys like Thomas
Boston and others, they didn't back down on that. Yeah, the
truth is you can't forsake sin until you come to Christ. Until
you're until you have a new heart, until you have open eyes
until you have ears that hear you can't forsake sin. That's
why that's why Ephesians 210 comes after verses eight and
nine. It says for we are his workmanship created in Christ
Jesus unto good works. Yeah, the good works don't come before
they come after you can't even do good works until you're
saved. Yeah, I love that little statement. I believe that it is
not sound or orthodox to tell men that they must forsake sin
in order to come to Christ. It is not sound and it is not
orthodox of people because they have to stop sinning in order to
come to Christ. And they'll only tell you to stop doing the sins
they're not doing. Well, of course, of course. But don't
worry about the thing that just just stop doing the things that
I'm not doing, but the other stuff. Don't worry about it.
Well, the problem with a lot of that is it's a it's a low view
of sin. Right? Yeah, the Bible says the thought of foolishness
is sin. Even the dumb stuff that we think is sin. Right? So
so when they're like, well, like you can't drink and be saved,
like that's because they have a low view of sin. They don't
realize how sinful they are. Right? Like they look at and
they're like, well, I don't drink. So like, if you do,
you're not saved. It's okay. I don't think anybody should
drink. No one should drink right? Like wine is a mock or a
strong drink is raging and whosoever is deceived, thereby
is not wise. But look, you could stop drinking still not be saved
because that's how many people do it.
That's not how you get saved. How you get saved. Yeah, trust
Christ. And so I just think that's that's just foolishness.
And it's what you said, right? It's the stuff that they don't
that they don't do. Yeah, they promote. And it's funny, too,
because they'll say, Well, you got to repent of your sins to be
saved. It's like, well, Catholics repent of their sins, Muslims
repent of their sins, Mormons repent of their sins. And in
fact, it's funny in the King James Bible, the phrase repent
of your sins isn't found one single time. But if you go to
the Book of Mormon, you can find it. And they're not saved. They
believe something totally different.
Well, the problem with a lot of that stuff is what they're
teaching people is look to yourself in order for salvation.
Right? Like, look to your good life, look to your good deeds,
look to your ability. And the truth is, like, I know who I am,
like, I'm just I'm just this, I'm just a sinful person who I'm
trying to serve Christ now. You know, and I'm not I'm not the
person that I used to be. But like, I'm not foolish enough to
act like I'm perfect. But yeah, I know who I am. I need a
Savior. I need someone to save me. Like, I need someone to die
for me. I need someone to tell me that, like, even though I
sin, he still loves me and died for me. I don't need someone to
tell me, well, change your life. And then maybe I'll accept you
like that. Yeah, how it works.
Yeah, I was just this somebody sent me the street preacher
earlier, and he's literally just he goes to the LGBTQ, you know,
the pride parades. It's like, you're just looking for views at
that point, because you just want people to get pissed off at
you because you know, those people aren't going to get
saved. You know, they're just gonna scream and yell at you.
You'd be better, you'd be better off just knocking on people's
doors. Yeah. And trying to give them the gospel. They don't want
to get people saved, though.
Well, that I think that's a sad product of our modern culture,
right? That people want want to be famous. People want to have a
lot of views. And, you know, I think that there's a lot of a
lot of that out there, right? They just go to a place, pause a
big scene and then post it on the internet and see what see
what I did. And it's like, hey, is that about yours? Is it about
Christ? Like, which which person you trying to bring glory to?
Yeah, cuz the guys like, look, if you just turn away from all
your sins, and give your life to Jesus, then maybe he'll save
you. I'm like, Wait, didn't Christ give his life for us?
The problem with some of that stuff is like what you said
earlier, like, you can't even do that until you come to Christ.
Yeah, I, I'm super thankful that I grew up under the pastor that
I grew up under. And he was a lot more eloquent than I am, and
had a lot of like, good sayings. And some of them I like to
repeat that I picked up from him. But one he used to say is,
you don't get good to get God, you get God and he'll start
getting you good. Like, like, you don't like get good in order
for God to be like, Okay, you can come to me now, right? You
get God and then like, then you're enabled to like, start
repenting of sin to start forsaking sin to start realizing
like, my goodness, I'm even worse than I thought I was like,
right? More I read the Bible, the more I realized, like, I
need Jesus more today than I ever realized before, like, you
know, because I just know that I don't measure up to who God is.
And that's what the standard is. God is so holy. He is so
righteous. Yeah, if we really think we could just impress him
by our good works. We don't know the first thing about God.
Yeah. And, and, and, and, you know, people don't realize
salvation so free, that God is even going to reward us for the
works that we do. I mean, it says it many times in the Bible,
especially the book of Revelation, how Jesus Jesus is
talking about how he's going to judge every man according to his
works, he's bringing his reward. And, you know, first Corinthians
chapter three, but people think, well, you know, salvation is a
reward. But the thing that, like, they don't think there's
any rewards in heaven, you just get your reward of salvation,
you made it to heaven, you were good enough, you know, and I
mean, that's just so wrong. But, you know, it's so free that
obviously, he's going to reward us for our works, because if
salvation was free, and then all the works that you did after,
you know, they just say that the works prove you're saved. And,
you know, they earn your salvation. But basically, then
you're just paying back God for salvation, because it's the debt
you owe. But Jesus paid our debt, who can even pay him back?
Nobody.
That's why the Apostle Paul says in the book of Romans chapter
four, he says to him that work is the reward not reckoned of
grace, but of debt. Yeah. Right. Like, so like, if you try to work
for it, if you try to earn it, what you're saying is like, God
owes me, God owes this to me. Yeah. And like, if you really
believe God owes you something, one, you don't know who you are.
And two, you don't know who God is. Like, God doesn't owe you
anything. Yeah, like, you could never even put something in
front of God where he would be like, that's pretty good.
That's pretty good. Like, even our best effort is filthy rags
is what Isaiah 64 six says.
Yeah, exactly. Now, and I always say this, like, these people,
when they're preaching, they're just talking about themselves.
And they're, they'll talk about anything but salvation. That's
the funny thing, anything but salvation. And, I mean, that's
how you can really tell, you know, if somebody's ministry is
good or not, are they preaching about the gospel? Or they what
are they talking about? You know, I mean, are they just
talking about themselves or, you know, other stuff in the Bible
that has nothing to do with, you know, getting anybody actually
saved. So, like, that's, that's the number one thing we should
be doing as believers is going out and giving the gospel go out
in the world and preach the gospel to every creature. But
these people aren't even doing that. But they're telling you
that you need good works in order to prove you're saved. I'm
like, you're not even doing any works.
Yeah, it seems like right. If, if we were going to go with what
they say, right, like, you have to do works to be saved. Most of
the people that say that aren't saved anyways, because the best
works that you could do is fulfill the great commission
that Jesus gave right before you left, right? Each all nations,
baptize your disciples, and then teach them to observe all things
whatsoever I commanded. Yeah, they don't do any, they don't do
any of those things. They don't, they don't do any soul winning.
You know, they never have baptisms, because they don't
preach the gospel. So no one gets saved, right? Yeah. Bible
says the gospel is the power of God and the salvation.
Believe it. And then they're like, Well, how come no one ever
gets saved in our church? It's like, you don't preach the
gospel. Like people don't get saved if you don't preach the
gospel.
Yeah. Or why is everybody foaming out the mouth and demon
possessed in my church? Like this charismatic
or in a church like that? Get out of there. Oh, yeah. That's
what's popular on YouTube, though. And Instagram like, like,
where in the Bible does? Does it talk about Jesus putting a trash
can in front of people and they're like throwing up demons?
Yeah, that's some of that's some of that stuff that I've seen is
so crazy, like barking like dogs and oh my gosh, the one that is
kind of unnerving to me, I saw a video a few weeks ago, a whole
room full of people just like laughing, like hysterically,
there was not like normal laughing. It was like, this is
like demonic laughing. And I like, I just don't understand
how people like you go to church and y'all just sit there and
laugh and stuff. Like, what is the point of that? Like, yeah,
I was not fulfilling what Paul said, let everything be done
decently and in order like that's neither one of those
things. But, you know, I don't know.
And then where in the Bible are the apostles casting demons out
of each other? Because because this whole deliverance ministry
this garbage, what they all they do is they focus on casting
demons out of so called believers. But when you ask
them what they believe their doctrine is so warped, they
believe just a hardcore work salvation. It's like these
people aren't even saved in the first problem.
The problem with some of that stuff, too, is like, if you
don't get saved, it's like what Jesus said, right? Like you can
clean and sweep the house. But that that that demon that devil
will go out and get seven worse ones and come back and make it
worse, right? Like, you'd have to get the whole you have to get
the Holy Spirit inside of you. And and that will drive any of
that stuff far, far away. And the only way to have the Holy
Spirit inside of you is to be saved. Yeah, like idea that a
person could be demon possessed and say, the Bible knows nothing
of that. So something my pastor used to say, say is, the Holy
Spirit doesn't have roommates. Right? Like, like the Holy
Spirit doesn't have roommates. It's not like the Holy Spirit
and a couple of demons living in there. Like, yeah, the Holy
Holy, the Holy Spirit is lives inside of believers. And there's
not room, there's not room for unclean spirits.
Yeah, that's just weird doctrine, man. And I was
watching this, this guy, he had a video on people who have that
kind of doctrine. And he's saying how these people don't
get their doctrine from actual statements. They just read the
book of Acts, which is a story. And they're like, Whoa, let me
just take this and I'll just, you know, incorporate it my way.
And they're just start twisting things and just making up their
own, you know, stupid doctrine full out of a story. That's
like, like, you know, because, for example, there's this guy
who preaches a false gospel. And he'll say that Apostle Paul
believed in keeping the law in order to be saved, because he
was trying to please the Jews in Acts chapter 21. By going and
doing the offering, I believe he shaved his head, and
something else. But anyways, he was just basically trying to
please the Jews. And he made me he made a mistake, though. And
it's like, No, he made a mistake. He was being a
hypocrite, you know, and he screwed up. But when I tried to
tell this guy, I was like, Yeah, he's human. We're human. He's a
great man of God. But you know, just like David made mistakes.
You know, he committed adultery. He had Bathsheba's husband
killed. He made a mistake. So just just like us, we make
mistakes. Doesn't mean it was right. But he's like, Oh, so
you're trying to say he's lying. I'm like, why don't you go read
Galatians and Romans and tell me if Paul believed in keeping the
law to be saved. And then there's crickets.
Yeah, well, I mean, how can it be right? Like, Paul says in
the book of Galatians, do not frustrate the grace of God.
Yes, sir. Righteousness cometh by the law, then Christ is dead
in vain. statements versus stories,
holds our Bible and go, you know, as a pastor, I think like,
this is a good opportunity to might maybe help people
understand how to read the Bible and how to think about it. So
like, there's a difference between prescriptive statements
and descriptive stories. Right. So when the Bible says believe on
the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shall be saved in Acts chapter
16. That is a prescription. Right? Like that is like what
you're supposed to do. Yeah, you're supposed to do that. But
when the Bible tells the story, like you brought up a moment ago
of David and Bathsheba, that is describing an incident in
David's life. That is not a story about why it's okay to
take someone's wife, and then murder the husband. Like that's
like, that's not what that means. It's the same thing that
people do when they read through the Old Testament. And they're
like, well, look at all the polygamy. I'm a polygamist, too.
It's like, hold on a second, like, Matthew 19. From the
beginning, he made them male and female, that a man should leave
his father and mother leave unto his wife, and they do should be
one flesh. It's like, yeah, that's a prescriptive statement.
That is a doctrinal statement. Same with just, you can just
take a story and then go, Well, this is how it applies. Like,
that's not that's not the right way to do it. Yeah. And same
same with Ephesians chapter five, it says the same thing. A
man shall leave his father and mother and be joined unto his
wife and they too shall become one flesh. Exactly. It doesn't
say that the man leaves his father and mother and goes and
marries 30 people. Right, you know, right.
Well, that's 100% right. So like, you know, when people read
the Bible, it's important to realize, like, it's not, it's
not okay to just go read the story of Judas hanging himself
and be like, Oh, gosh, I'm gonna try. Right? Like, that's,
that's not that's for like, that's not that's not that's not
why that's in there. Judas. Judas repented of his sins, and
he felt sorry for his sins, but he never believed. Yeah, I like
to tell people that one there. Then I get people saying, man,
it never says Judas never believed that I show them and
then they still are in denial. Well, I think like, the problem
is people want to believe what they want to believe. Right?
Yeah. And a lot of people, it doesn't matter what you show
them in the Bible. They already believe what they believe.
Yeah, it's preconceived. Go. They're going in with
preconceived ideas.
100% right. And look for verses that kind of like, make them
like, Oh, like, yeah, this is teaching what I'm what I want,
right? Like, yeah, I think that that's a huge problem. You know,
that's, that's why, you know, maybe going all the way full
circle to where we started. And I like that's why it's important
to be like, we don't believe manmade positions. We believe
the Bible, right? Our own, even our own made position, right?
Like, should always be able to be corrected by the Bible, even
our preconceived ideas should be able to be corrected by the
Bible. Because if they're not, then what's the final authority
you were the Bible, the church for those? Yes. You know, good
stuff. You can find bad stuff. And you can find ugly stuff.
Right? I'm like, right like that. Well, that's what people
do. Because it's funny, because there I was just out soul
winning, this was probably like three weeks, four weeks ago,
when this happened, this, this whole thing. I'm trying to, you
know, preach to this guy who, you know, he's Orthodox, and I
first went up to him, I said, Hey, you know, are you 100% sure
you're gonna go to heaven if you die today? And he's like, Oh,
you know, I got a lot to work on, you know. And I'm just
like, well, you know, you can be 100% sure the Bible tells us.
And then he tries to go and show me James chapter two. And then
he tries to show me math, Matthew chapter 25, about the
sheep and the goats. And he tries to show me that as a
salvation passage. And I'm, and then when he couldn't really
like, because he didn't know Bible better than me, like,
obviously, because he's not even saved. And I'm just trying to
give him the clear scripture, I'm trying to get him saved. You
know, he tries to do he tries to bring up church history. And I'm
just like, I don't care about your church history. I'm trying
to show you the Bible. Why don't you learn this book? Instead of
worrying about these doctrines of men?
And the problem with a lot of that stuff is a lot of the time
when you look up in context, some of the stuff that they
even vote, it's like they're misrepresenting what those people
taught anyways. But the truth is, like, it's not about what a
person taught. It's about what does the Bible say? Like,
anyways, so why not just ride around and go directly to the
source anyways, you know, because you can find good stuff,
you can find bad stuff, and you can find some downright ugly
stuff in church history, and the church fathers or whatever. Well,
like, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what they said,
because they're not the final authority, the final authority
is the Bible.
Oh, absolutely, man. Because I mean, I'm not going to anything
else but the Bible. And if if this other person says something
contrary to the Bible, I'm gonna go with the Bible, you know what
I mean? And that's, that's the thing why, you know, so many
people are just deceived in these false churches, because
they don't know the Bible. And they're just sitting there
listening to this garbage, like, have you heard of Gateway
Church, Robert Morris? It is, you know, it's crazy. All the
biggest false prophets are in Texas. And I mean, it's a big,
it's a big hub of Christianity, right? Because a lot of people
to live by God, God, guns and glory, you know, that's right,
and Trump, but anyways, so this, this guy's literally saying, you
know, he's only saying, God spoke to me, God told me this,
and I'm just like, well, that's not in the Bible. What I mean,
it's like, we need that revelation from we need that in
our in the we need to get to add that now the the, but anyways,
this, he's a pastor at the Gateway Church, which this
church grosses $60 million a year. It's crazy. And he got up
in front of everybody and told him God spoke to him, and told
him that he needs to put his wife before God.
What does that mean?
That he needs to just basically put her, you know, hurt her
first? Because you know how people say,
like, Oh, like, so so he is his order of loyalty is my wife, and
then God and then then his job.
Yes, that's definitely I mean, I don't know, this is the problem
with some of that stuff is like, people just are so deceived by
it. And that's why it's so important to be Bible alone,
right? Like, it's so important to be Bible alone, because it's
like, anybody can say, God told me, anybody can say, God showed
me like, if they don't follow it up with in this passage,
whatever they're about to say, like, I'm not gonna listen to
that. Yeah, it's like, how can I check that? How do I know? How
do I know? Like, I have no way of knowing. And what I do, what
I do know is that the Bible says that the spirit of the prophets
is subject unto the prophets, right? Like, so, if I already
have God's Word right here, I don't need an like an advanced
revelation or something to add to it. Right? Like, right.
No, we that's,
that's crazy. Yeah, no, we know we don't. That's where, you
know, there's a huge problem with that in Utah. That's what
Mormons are all about. Right? Like, personal revelation,
right? Like, pray and ask God, if it's true, they'll tell you
it's true. And, you know, I don't doubt that some of those
people really do feel something, but what they're feeling is not
not what they're feeling is maybe the devil, right? Yeah,
maybe they're maybe they're feeling heartburn. I don't know.
Right? Like, the issue is, like, we don't test it based off of
those things. We test everything by scripture, right? Prove all
things hold fast to that, which is true. What we're proving it
with is the Bible. There's no way for me to prove like, hey,
God told me that you're supposed to give me $5,000. It's like,
well, God didn't tell me that yet. Because I don't remember
that verse. Yeah.
Yeah. It's crazy. Like, people just like, they think that God
is just speaking to this guy audibly. Like, what? It's just
crazy.
You know, what's interesting? What's interesting? Yeah, he is
so special. Apparently, what's interesting is if, if you
actually know the Bible, you know, that's not a super common
occurrence anyways. Like, like people think like, well, God
talked to people in the Old Testament, or God had prophets
in the Old Testament. But if you actually look at like, all of
the prophets, and all of the instances where God is like,
communicating directly with people, if you if you judge that
based off of all of human history, all of humanity that's
ever lived, and all of the years that go by, that doesn't happen
very often like that didn't like even in biblical times, even in
the Old Testament. It's not like God's talking to every
single person and every place and every single time. Like,
that's a very rare occurrence for God to like, tell someone
like Abraham, like, get out of your country and go to the place
that I'm going to show you. Like, that's, that's a super
rare thing.
Yeah. And I was just gonna say this is a little off topic of
that. But um, you know, when people say that, well, people
believe that they actually are keeping the law. There's people
that actually believe they're keeping the law. And they don't
sin. And I've had people say, well, the Pharisees kept the
law. But I like this verse in, in john 719, where it says, Did
not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keep it the law?
Why go ye about to kill me? So Jesus is literally telling the
Pharisees that you do not keep the law.
I mean, okay. Okay. And anybody, right? Like, it's like Romans
chapter three, I think it's verse 20. It's, it says, it
says, we know, yeah, it says that, therefore, by the deeds of
the law, the no flesh be justified in his sight, or by
the law is the knowledge of sin. Yeah, it's like the purpose of
the law. Here's another thing my pastor used to say, look, the
purpose of the law is like a mirror, right? You look at the
law, when you look into it, and you see, something's wrong with
me. I'm a sinner. I'm a liar. I'm a blasphemer. I'm a
fornicator. I'm, you know, I'm a murderer, you know, you look at
the law, and you identify, there's something wrong with you
and you're guilty before God. But what a lot of these people
do is then they try to take the mirror that is the law. And they
like try to like fix themselves with the mirror. First, you know,
it wakes up in the morning is like, do I have anything in my
teeth? And then they took the mirror and they're like, that
does doesn't work. You have to get the toothbrush out for that.
Like, that's not the purpose of the mirror. The purpose of the
mirror is to show you what's wrong. And then when you know
what's wrong, you go find Christ for salvation. You don't just
go, Well, I did wrong, I'll do better. But some people, they
just think, Yeah, I'm perfect. I keep the law. I'm 100% perfect.
Which is, which is crazy.
100%. And because these people don't realize how sinful they
are, obviously. Yeah. And, you know, it's funny, because there
is this one guy, and he was claiming to keep the law, you
know, this big YouTuber. And you know what happened to him? He
exposed himself. He's talking about how he was drinking and
smoking and all this stuff. But he was accusing people who
believe in what we believe to be, you know, living a life full
of sin. I'm like, well, look at it every single time. It's these
guys. They're just projecting.
Well, that's the problem with a lot of that stuff. I think you
know that they try to use righteousness as a cloak or sin,
right? So they use the they're like fake zeal, their fake
righteousness, as a cloak to make themselves feel better
about all the horrible things that they're doing. You know, a
lot of those guys, you know, they get ended up, they end up
getting busted in horrific, horrific sin. You know, they
give Christianity a black guy, because the world doesn't know
the difference. Right? Like, the world has no has no idea that
there's even a difference between, like Baptists or
Pentecostals or Yeah, they don't know. They have no idea.
Yeah, there's, and people think that all Baptists are the same.
There's a big difference, right? Like even amongst, you know, so
I was raised, I was raised Southern Baptist. I went to a
Southern Baptist seminary. And my church is independent. We
left the convention. I'm not SBC anymore. I follow the path of
they Frank Norris and Lee Robertson and other independent
Baptist guys before me. But even amongst like Southern
Baptists, you'll find 10 different opinions on 10
different subjects, right? Even amongst even amongst
independent Baptist. Oh, yeah, you'll, you'll find 50 different
opinions on 50 different subjects, you know, and and so
it's pretty, it's pretty hard when someone does something
foolish, or stupid, or sinful. And then the world's like, oh,
they're Baptist, you're Baptist. That's like, like, well, no, we're
not like, no, wrong.
Yeah. You know, Paul washer claims to be, you know, he's a
Baptist. Yeah, well, other Baptists, whatever.
Well, Paul washer is a neat Paul washer is a neo gnomian. He
treats the gospel like it's a new law that needs to be
obeyed. And that's wrong. It's not. I don't believe that it's
sound or orthodox to tell men that they must forsake saying in
order to come into Christ. Yeah, that's not right. That's
neo gnomianism. It's not it's not what the Bible teaches. The
Bible says, but to him that worketh not, believeth on him
that justifyeth the ungodly his faith accounted for
righteousness. And there's, there's, there's a, there's a
really, there's a really great resource for why some of that
stuff is wrong. And it's called the book of Romans. So, you
know, like, if people just read the book of Romans, you can see
really clearly that chapters one, two, and three condense the
whole world. And chapter four says, but there's grace in
Christ, and you can't earn it, you can't work for it. You can
believe Christ for it.
Yeah, like, I like to give, like, when I'm out soul
winning, I'll often give people Roman, I'll like read some of
Romans chapter three, like, because I'll run into a lot of
people that they go to church or whatever. So they're kind of
familiar. And just to explain how, you know, salvation is
free, and it's not by our deeds are turning from sin and things
like that have nothing to do with it. So I'll give them that
or, you know, Romans chapter four. And usually it makes
sense to them.
The problem. The problem is those those guys, they blur the
line between justification and sanctification. And so like
sanctification is the process of being conformed to the image of
Christ every single day. And justification is when God
forgives you and declares you righteous. And those are not
those those are not the same thing. Right? Like, like,
they're, they're not the same thing. But like, that's why
those guys, they blur the line where it's like, they basically
teach sanctification and justification are the same
thing. And that's not that's not right. That's not Orthodox. It's
not sound. Yeah, I can't get it from you can't get it from the
Bible. Like, that's another problem.
Yeah, makes no sense.
It's work salvation. It's a process, man. And, and all these
people, what you'll notice, probably 99% of them, they read
a modern Bible.
Everyone, everyone does in this era, you know,
and I really liked what, what Pastor Steven Anderson said
about, you know, these so called scholars, they'll, they'll, they
think that, you know, they're so much smarter than us, because
they read these modern versions. But, and they'll talk crowd
about the King James. And then they're like, Well, the King
James is hard to understand. And then he's like, Well, doesn't
that make us smarter? Because we understand it.
It's just, I think that it's a marketing ploy, that like, some
of those publishers have really perpetrated on people, but they
they've told people, like, it's hard to understand that. And so
people are like, Yeah, it is hard to understand that. And
it's like, it's really, it's really not, you know, like, if
you just get in there, you start reading it. But the truth, the
truth is, like most people that have an NIV don't read it
anyways. Oh, it's garbage. Most people that have an NASB, they
don't read it anyways, you know, like, it sits there, they never
read it. And that's what the real problem is, is that like,
they just they don't read the Bible in the first place, you
know? Yeah.
I mean, it took me a couple weeks to adapt to the King
James. But I wasn't like struggling or anything. But now
it's so smooth to me. I love it. And because I've been, man, I've
been reading the King James, like consistently for at least a
year now. Because well, here's what happened. I got saved. And
then I was reading the King James. And then, dude, I was
lazy. And I went into a modern version. Okay. And then, you
know what happened? When I kept reading the modern version, I
was like, this doctrine isn't right. This, this is giving me
false doctrine. So I was like, I'm done. That's that was it.
And I went to the King James, I never looked back. And then I'm
like, look, I'm never reading another modern version ever
again. Like at this point, if you put a modern version in
front of me, I just couldn't read it. I hate it.
But the problem is, is that, you know, the, the modern versions
are translated from inferior text, right? Like, the text
that they're based off of the Nestle Alon 28th, or I guess
they're on the 29th edition, is inferior to the Texas Receptus
and like, whatever text like, I don't care if a person says
Stephanus, Beza, Scriveners, I personally think Scriveners is
the preserved Word of God. But either way, the differences
between those editions of the TR are so minor, so minimal, that
it's like, I don't know how anybody could think that the UBS
or the the NA 29 is a better Greek text to translate from,
because just those two editions, the UBS five, and the NA 29 have
so many differences, one from the other, that it's like, it's
like, how could you be sure what the Word of God even is? Or
like, how could you how could you even be certain? How could
you affirm the doctrine of preservation? You know, Jesus
said, heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words will not
pass away. If you have a Greek text that says one thing, and
then another Greek text that says another thing, and then
you're just picking and choosing whatever you like best,
like, how is that the doctrine of preservation, right? Like,
the doctrine of preservation is that God's words have been
preserved, kept pure at all ages, as some of the ancients
have said.
Yeah. And it's just like, have you have you heard of the
message Bible?
Yeah, Eugene Edwards, I think is the guy who
let's read from it. Let's read from it. I need a good laugh.
Uh, let me add this to the screen here.
There's a there's a there's a funny passage in the message in
Psalm chapter one.
Let's go to that. Let's go to Psalm chapter one.
It says something like,
you don't hang out at sin saloon or something. It's pretty funny.
Okay, can you see the screen? Okay, it says, Psalm chapter one
of the message, how how well God must like you. You'd let me read
it like this is like how they would talk the people that read
the message. They're like, we're good Starbucks. They're like, so
like, let me see here. Okay, hold on. Where's the Bible? Oh,
my gosh, what happened? Oh, whoops. Okay, there we go. Can
you see it now? Sorry. How well God was like you, you don't walk
in the ruts of those blind as bats. You don't stand with the
good for nothings. You don't take your seat among the
know-it-alls. Instead, you thrill to God's Word. You chew
on Scripture day and night. You're a tree replanted and
eaten, bearing fresh fruit every month, never dropping a leaf,
always in blossom. You are not at all like the wicked. You are
mere windblown dust without defense in court. Unfit
company for innocent people. God charts the road you take, the
road they take leads to nowhere. Oh, I didn't have that one verse
you're talking about.
I was thinking as the passage, I just some of that some of that
stuff is just like, how can you how can you preach from that?
Right? Like, how do you walk verse by verse through this?
Right? Like, dude, like, I don't understand it.
You want to see one that's really hard. That like, I was
like, this is hurting my brain. Look at this Ephesians. Chapter
two, verses seven through 10. It's the Bible says, Now God has
us where he wants us with all the time in this world and the
next to shower grace and kindness upon us in Christ
Jesus. Saving is all his idea, and all his work. All we do is
trust him enough to let him do it. It's God's gift from the
start to finish. We don't play the major role. If we did, we
probably go around bragging that we've done the whole thing. No.
Yeah, then it says, No, we either make nor save ourselves.
God does both the making and saving he creates each of us by
Christ Jesus to join him in the work he does the work the good
work he has gotten ready for us to do work we had better be
doing. It makes me cringe reading that.
Some of that stuff is, I think harder to understand.
Yeah. Because it's just, it's like you're like, your head's
ready to explode. Like reading that because it's so all over
the place. But the King James is just so smooth. For by grace are
you saved through faith and that none of yourself is the gift of
God not of works. Oh my gosh. You know, there's a what was it
the in I think it's Oh, oh my goodness. It's first. Timothy.
Let's let's see first Timothy 316 real quick. First Timothy
316 says it just says the Christian life is a great
mystery far exceeding our understanding. But some things
are clear enough he appeared in a human body was proved right by
the invisible spirit was seen by angels. He was proclaimed among
all kinds of peoples believed in all over the world taken up into
heavenly glory, like who?
What's the what's the invisible spirit? That's, that's, that's
supposed to be the holy fear right there.
Yes.
Some of that stuff is, I don't know why people like that better
or why they want to read from that. Because, I mean, you can't
get doctrine from that, right? Like, I don't know how you
could, you know, first Timothy 316, great is the mystery of
godliness, God was manifest in the flesh. Yeah, that's super,
that's super clear, right? Like, right. eternal God, Jesus
Christ, was shown in the flesh, right? Like, so the eternal Son
of God took on human flesh. And he went to the cross and died
for our sins. He would preach to the world. Like, I don't know
how you can get that same thing from that. No, so like, I don't
know what they mean when they say it's easier. But it's
definitely not easier to understand what the Bible is
trying to tell you. That's for sure.
Yeah, that actually just hurt my head reading it. But I don't
blame you. I mean, imagine the pastor that preaches from the
mess.
Yeah, there are actual churches that do that, dude, which is the
sad thing, right? Like there are actual churches that are like
preaching from the New Living Translation.
Yeah, the churches are all these non denom churches that
I've, you know, because I, I used to go to non denom
churches. And you know what, they all read from the NIV or
the NLT.
Well, is this a problem? Because that's the reason why people
don't know anything, right? They don't know anything, because who
could understand that that's a confusing thing. Not that
doesn't even scratch the surface of missing verses or
changed phrases. You know, so just that alone, just like the
understand ability, the readability is a big enough
problem.
Yeah. And people will say, Well, like, for some of the trans, some
of the English translations, they'll say, Well, all the
verses are there. So it's fine, right? But it's like, they're
changed, though. They don't say the same thing. So that's a
pretty big deal when they don't say the same exact thing as the
King James. And it's just the whole thing as well. The other
verses versions are easy to understand. No, they're not as
far as far as I understand it. The King James is the only
translation in English that is translated from the Mesoretic
text. And from the PR, even the even the new King James, in some
places, is not translated from the Mesoretic and the old tech
and Old Testament. And there's several places in the New
Testament where they follow the readings of the modern critical
edition,
they ignore the Texas Receptus tons of times. So and they, they
take the word out, repent, every time God repents, you know,
that's obviously, strategical.
But I think that if a person, you know, there's, there's
obviously a fine line between right doctrine and wrong
doctrine. I saw a video the other day of some crazy people
being like the King James Bible is superior to the Hebrew.
Oh, I know who you're talking about. Gene Kim gets up and said
the Greek is garbage in front of the whole congregation.
It's just that's just a stupid position. It's like, the King
James is an accurate translation of the Mesoretic text and the
TR, therefore, it is equivalent, it cannot be better.
Like there, you know, how could it be better than the perfect
preserved Word of God? It could be the same. It can be better.
They're both perfect.
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. And like some of those
guys, you know, they they go so far off the rails. I don't want
to be associated with them. But it is clear that there is a
difference between the TR and the Mesoretic text and the King
James Bible. And the modern translations like like any
anybody who doesn't actually see that either is willfully blind,
or is just ignorant. Right? I think there's probably a lot of
people out there that ruckmanism just read the NIV, but they
don't know. You know, like, no one's ever taken the time to
show them. Yeah, I think there's a lot of people like that.
They're just ignorant. But I think people that do know that
like, these are different. And they're like, doesn't matter. It
doesn't change anything. Like I think that they're just will
they're just will they're willfully ignorant, right?
They're willfully. It does change. It does change the
doctrine and in several places. Well, here's a big does change
the meaning of text. Here's a here's a big one. When in First
Corinthians 118, when it says, for the preaching of the cross
is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which
are saved, it is the power of God. That's the King James, but
all the modern versions pretty much. They say unto us which are
being saved. So it's a process according to the modern
versions.
Yeah, I think another good example is john 118. In the King
James, it says no man has seen God at any time. The only
begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath
declared him the modern, critical text and the
translations that are based off of it say, no man has seen God
at any time, the only begotten God who's in the bosom of the
Father. And so basically, they're, they're, they're taking
a strong proof text of the eternal sonship of Christ, and
change and changing it. And then then because of that they have
two gods there, right? So there's like God, and then
there's the only begotten God. It's like that's two different
gods rather than it being God and the Son. So I think there's
there's definitely doctrinal differences that you can clearly
see, if you look it up. And and I think it's disingenuous, or
it's ignorant to say that it doesn't change anything. It does
change some things. That's actually looked at earlier. First
Timothy 316. Yeah, the King James God was manifest in the
flesh modern translations based off of the modern critical text.
They say he who was manifest in the flesh. Yeah, like it's a big
difference between saying he and God, right? Like, yeah, like
the the ESV says, Great, indeed, we confess is the mystery of
godliness. He was manifested in the flesh. Yeah, doesn't say God
was manifest in the flesh, because they want to take away
from the deity of Christ. Yeah. And I love the ESV. That's their
favorite.
I think the ESV is actually one of the worst modern translations
that there is. Like, you know, obviously, like, I think, in
James is the best translation. It's perfect. It's, it's, it's,
it's the Bible that we should stick to. But as far as modern
translation go, most people switched to the ESV, because
they were told the NIV is going gender neutral. And the ESV is
gender neutral, too. So if you think of any text that uses the
the word man, as the word for all of mankind, so like the book
of James, the the the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous
man availeth much. If you look up any text like that, that's
using the word man, the ESV will say person, or it won't say it
won't say man, it will say person, because it's gender
because it's gender neutral. And so like, I think that alone is
there is a reason not to use it. Because the original the Greek
text there says man, it doesn't say person, it clearly it means
mankind. But that's not what it says. It says it says man. And
so and so I don't think that taking the liberty with the text
to translate stuff like that as person. I don't think that
that's right. Like that. That's not right.
And another thing is to the always put standard, the new
American standard, the ES, the English standard version. But I
guess their standard just constantly changes. Like, they
just they don't.
I think everybody knows what the real standard in English. Oh,
yeah. I mean, like, like, it's, it's under it's an undeniable
that the King James Bible is the standard English Bible has been
for hundreds of years. So there's a reason why they try to
say that. If you read the preface on lot on a lot of
those, they're like, this is in the tradition of the King James.
And it's like, No, it isn't. It's not even from the same
text, but they want to piggyback off the King James. Yeah, they
make it sound they, they try to make it sound slightly, you
know, like the King James, but it's garbage.
I you know, the problem, the problem with some of that stuff
is bigger than just even Bible translation. It's really,
it's really a tool that the devil is using the further the
decline of our culture. Yeah. You know, that now we don't have
a standard standardized Bible in our language, that everybody is
at least familiar with some of the texts like you think of
like, this classic passages of Scripture, like Psalm 23, the
Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want, you know, anybody from
like, my generation, my parents generation above, like, when
they think of Psalm 23, they think of how it's written in the
King James, or like john 316, for God so loved the world, he
gave his only begotten son. That's how our collective
Western culture thinks about john 316. But all of the modern
translations change those, you know, scripture passages, like
john 316, and most modern versions, they don't say the
only begotten son, you know, which takes which takes away the
eternal generation of his only son, eternal stuff. Yeah, it's
just and it's it's just, it changes everything. And it
changes our culture as at large. It's just it's just a big
problem. I just I just I don't like it. I just think in Bible
that grandma had, stick with the same Bible that grandma had,
it's good enough for grandma.
Well, let's read it here in the ESV. John 316 says for God so
loved the world that he gave his only son that whosoever believes
in him should not perish but have eternal life. And then
obviously, the King James says, for God so loved the world that
he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him
should not perish but have everlasting life. Let's go to the
NIV. There's actually a version called easy. That made me laugh.
The easy Bible,
the easy and I was just looking out jokingly like, let's see
what they have. They have an easy to understand version. It's
one called easy.
Dang, in the NIV, you know, it's crazy. So it's red. John 316 is
red letter in the King James. And in the NIV, it's not.
It's the publishers chose to be that weird, says for God so
loved the world that he gave his only one and only son, that
who's whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have
eternal life. The NLT says God gave his only begotten son that
whosoever repents of their sins
shall have eternal life. Let's see here.
Does it really say that? No, but in all the other verses, it says
repent of your sins several times. But it says this, for
this is how God loved the world. He gave his one and only son, so
that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have
eternal life. But in NLT,
it says in
what does it say in Matthew
21
if you go to Matthew 21 30, I believe it's 32. It says Yeah,
and Matthew 21 32. In the NLT, it says, for john the baptist
came and showed you the right way to live, but you didn't
believe him, while tax collectors and prostitutes did.
And even when you saw this happening, you refuse to believe
him and repent of your sins.
So it's all about the right way to live in the NLT. But
obviously, it's talking about because they rejected what john
the baptist was saying. It's not talking about repenting of your
sins.
That phrase is so interesting, too. If you ask five different
people what that means, you'll get five different answers,
right? Some people think repent of your sins means stop sinning.
Some people think repent of your sins means like be sorry. Some
people think that it just means like, admit you're a sinner.
Yeah, like, obviously, there's a, I don't know what you would
call it like a breeze there of things that are worse, right?
Like the worst of like, if you think that that means stop
sinning, like that's not good. If you think that that means,
you know, be sorry, that's better than thinking that it
means stop sinning. Do you think that it what if you think that
what that means is like, admit your sin, that's probably the
best case scenario. Yeah, right. Admit that you're a sinner. But
like, if you ask people that you'll get a bunch of different
answers. So my wife, my wife has raised Mormon. And her whole
family is still Mormon. And I'm not an expert about Mormonism by
any means. But you know, I've lived in Utah my whole life. And
I'm pretty familiar with it. And if you ask Mormons, what repent
of your sins means, or what repent means, what they think
that repentance is, is they think that it means, confess
your sin. And if it's really bad, you have to confess it to
the bishop, forsake your sin, make restitution for your sin,
and never return on to it. Well, if you do, and if you do return
on to it, you didn't really repent. So when I years and
years ago, I used to work at the grocery store, we used to always
like, what would happen is like, 18 year old kids, like just
barely getting out of high school. Yeah, like once or twice
a week, they would come in and be like, Hey, can you ring this
candy bar up? And like, I'm just gonna pay for it and leave it.
And like, after that happened, like, maybe like 10 times, I was
like, why does this keep happening? So I asked one of my
co workers, like, why do these people keep coming in and being
like, I'm paying for this candy bar, but like, I'm just gonna
leave it. And he'd be like, oh, they're getting ready to go on
And they probably confess that they stole some stuff to their
bishop. And so they're making restitution for it. So like,
what they think is like, if you stole a candy bar, when you're a
little kid, the way to repent of it is go to the store. Yeah, hey
it, pay it back. And like, I'm not saying that's a bad thing to
do. But I'm just saying like, they think if they don't do
that, they won't be saved. And like, that's crazy. Like, that's
not what the Bible teaches. Yeah. That is another gospel.
Can you hold on one second? Yeah, yeah.
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Heck yeah. What's the um, oh my gosh. What's that guy who who
ended up being like a being a reprobate where he was preaching
a sermon called polishing the shaft that weirdo Jack's sex
cop? Yeah. And it's crazy because Pastor Anderson was
talking about how he preached against him because that guy
started saying some really wacky stuff. And he was preaching
against the King James. And he was getting off was, I know, I
know, I don't know a lot about him. I'm not, not from the same
kind of circles of that. So I don't I know who he is. I don't
know. I don't know a ton about him. Yeah, I just remember
seeing one of his sermons where he's talking about that. And
he's getting a lot of hate from people. Because he was calling
them out. And then he ended up being right. Because then
obviously, you know, he was a predator. He's, I think he just
really got out of prison, right? Yeah. In prison for a long
time. Have you? We should. I don't know a ton. I don't know a
ton. I don't know a ton about him or his preaching. I know he
took over at Jack Heil's church. Yeah. But other than that, I
don't know much about him. How do you spell his name? I think
it's spelled S C H A A P. I'm pretty sure. Oh, yeah. S C H A
P. Oh, it's one of the first ones that comes up. Well, I'm
sure it is. It's just the sermon that makes Baptist look
crazy. Being a sexual deviant from the pole. And just like, I
don't understand why that we've got deacons sitting behind him,
you know, like, I'm, you know, my church is a real traditional
Baptist church. And so like, if I started doing something like
that, the chairman of my deacons would stand up and be like,
Pastor, like, have you lost your mind? Like, yeah, like, like,
his deacons are sitting there behind him, and they just let
them do it. It's just, I would have fallen out of my seat
laughing that would have been like, Okay, you need to go. No
one said he's preaching to 1000s of people. Yeah, that thing is
big. Let me see his assistant pastors. They're all sitting
there. No one does anything. It's it's nuts, dude. It's
really weird. Okay, let's watch it real fast. It's only like two
minutes.
Of course it hurts. Of course it's fire. Of course it's pain.
Look at that. I don't know why those guys don't get up and
stop like that. Look at them. Do they just sit there and let
they don't like
say you watch this stuff, dude. Just so perverse. Just so
perverse. You know, it's just so perverse. Yeah, that's just to
do that behind the sacred desk. Yeah, like, do that. In the
gathering of Christ bride behind the sacred desk. That's
just it's just it's just so grievous to like, you know, I
know, it's like, it's, you know, it's funny to laugh at or
whatever. Yeah, it's like, if you don't laugh, you'll cry
because it's like, it's just, he's supposed to be feeding the
flock. But instead, he decides to simulate perverse things in
front of them, like, and all of those guys just sit there and do
nothing. Oh, it's crazy. I believe, you know, I believe
really strongly, you know, in in the man of God doctrine, I
believe really strongly that the pastor is the leader of the
church. But look, dude, like, if the pastor is being a pervert,
like, it's okay to say, stop, like, it's, it's okay to be
like, hold on a second. Yeah, that's too far. Like, I don't
think you should, you know, challenge your pastor, you know,
because he has a little bit different eschatology than you.
I don't think you could challenge your pastor because
maybe he views a passage that is, you know, pretty minor a
little bit differently than you. But when someone's doing
something like that, dude, like, it's your obligation to be like,
Whoa, people sit there. And they do come back the next week. And
they just like, they don't do anything like nothing happened.
Yeah, it's just it's just crazy. Well, I probably got maybe like
510 more minutes left, man. Sorry, I don't want to take up
your whole night. Oh, no worries. Ah, I was gonna say
there was a there was a sermon. Have you heard of TD Jakes? You
love the black guy? Yeah. And he literally says God injects his
semen into you. I was like, dude, this is weird, man. And
people just sit there. Like this is perverted. Yeah, I think like
there's a very so in the book of Jude. It says that the cloud it
talks about the clouds that don't have water, like the trees
whose fruit wither it. And about them, it says that they have
eyes that are full of adultery and cannot cease from sinning.
Right? Like one of the key indicators of a person is a is
a false prophet is that they're just sexually perverse. Yeah,
that they have no control over their ability to understand
this is not appropriate to be saying to 1000s of people, like
this is not appropriate to be saying in this context, it's
probably not appropriate to be saying in any context, like,
but let alone the the house of God behind the sacred desk.
Weird. Yeah. They're just, that's just, you know, that's
how those a lot of those guys are, though, right? Like,
they're perverts. That's what the Bible says about them, that
there's certain men crept in unaware were before of old or
dangerous condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our
God into lasciviousness, right, like lasciviousness. That's
their perversion, bro. Like, I don't know, you know, it's, it's
one of those things that if you don't laugh at it, you just cry
because it's like, there's literally 1000s of people that
are unstable souls that are being beguiled by that. Yeah.
And and like, that's a pretty sad thing to think, right?
Yeah, there's people that are earnestly trying to go to church
to try to figure out like, who is God? Who am I? What does God
want from me? And then they sit through that, like, yeah, that
is sad. I mean, that's why it's like, I mean, I hate these
people. And people will be like, man, you should love everybody.
Where's the Bible say that? I just I just read a sermon last
Wednesday night, so a week ago, from Proverbs 813, called the
fear of the Lord is to hate evil. And, you know, David is
real clear. He says, I hate the I have hated the congregation of
evil doers. He says in Psalm 139, Do not I hate them, O Lord
that hate me? Yeah, I might not grieve with them that rise up
against me. So I hate them with a perfect hatred. I count them
mine enemies. Right? Like, I think that it's really easy to
be like, well, that's so funny or whatever. But like, at the
bottom at the end of the day, it's just like, those people are
hurting people's souls. They're literally supposed to be a
doctor for the soul and what they're actually doing is
damaging them. Yeah, and reverting their mind like, yeah,
I hate that stuff, too. It's grievous. It's wicked. It's
wrong. Yeah. And then it's like, you know, the just these weak
softies, they'll be like, man, that's just not right to just be
mean to them, man. You just gotta like, talk to them
privately. Talk to the guy privately, who's preaching to
thousands of people.
Well, how can you anyways, right? Like, so, like, let's
just say, theoretically, that is what's supposed to happen. Like,
I don't think that's right. Anyways, right? Yeah. Like,
that's, obviously, that's incorrect. Right? Like, if
they're a public figure, public sin deserves a public rebuke.
First Timothy five, them that sin rebuke before all that
others also may fear. Right? Like, I don't see anybody going
after the Apostle Paul for saying, Alexander, the
coppersmith has done me much evil the Lord repay him
according to his words. Yeah, I don't see anybody coming after
Paul for saying like, stay away from Hymenaeus and Philethis.
They subvert people. I don't see anybody coming after john the
Apostle for saying that my atrophy loves the preeminence.
Like, you know, naming names and going after people. I don't see
anybody upset about that. And like, even if those people are
right, like how, like, that church that Scott was the pastor
of First Baptist Hammond is literally tens of 1000s of
people. Yeah, like, if you attend to that church, you
probably don't get an audience with the pastor very often. If
you're a member, you don't even attend to there and you don't
live anywhere by what are you going to do to pick up the phone
and be like, you know, the phone stop right now. I'm going to
give him a piece of my mind. Like, that's not gonna happen.
There's so many layers. There's so many layers of like, people
you have to go through in order to get like, that's never gonna
happen. Like, that's, that's stupid. That's foolish.
Yeah, that's why I think it's just important that like, these
people just need to be called out.
Yeah, I think I think right, like that, what we ought to do
is be very quick, like, we ought to be very careful not to be on
the hair trigger to reprobate everyone in the world. Yeah,
right. That's a very serious, that's a very serious thing,
right? Yeah, call someone a false teacher. You say yours,
what you're saying is that they're going to hell. Yeah,
right. So like, like, that's a very serious thing. So you
shouldn't just do it on a hair trigger. But we also should not
be afraid when someone is doing something so blatant as that to
be like, what in the world like this dude's a wolf like clearly
that guy's a feature. Like, how could you do something like
that? Right? No 100%. I mean, I get it on my Instagram, like,
the comments that I see sometimes it's just like, only
online. I mean, I've got when I was out soul winning, I've seen
some, you know, pretty ridiculous stuff, too. But it's
always more crazy on the, on the internet, you know, but this one
guy when I was so when he was like, Hey, man, what do you
think someone needs to do to go to heaven? And he's just like,
Oh, man, just believe in Jesus. And I was like, Okay, so you
think you can lose your salvation? Oh, yeah,
absolutely. You know, I thought it was just, you know, believing
in Jesus. And then he's like, Well, I know, I'm not gonna lose
it. Because I'm not gonna like do anything bad enough. I'm not
gonna fall away. I was like, Okay, so you're trusting
yourself. But it's funny, because I said, you know, what
church do you go to? And the church he he I knew of the
church he went to, and they have a female pastor. I was like, so
what about your church? They have a female pastor? Well, I'm
repented that. Okay, dude, like, you, you're knowingly going to a
church of the female pastor. And you know, that's wrong. But yeah,
well, if you if you go to the church of fire, Tyra, dude, with
the female pastor Jezebel, you need to get out of there. Right
that right away. Yeah. And the church has if your church has
just on the pulpit, you need to get out of there right away. Do
not do not stay there. And the crazy thing is, because me and
my wife one day, we're just like, let's listen to us like a
sermon just to like, see what they say. Because it's always
interesting sometimes. And it took 23 minutes in the sermon
until she even named one Bible verse. I was like, wow. And then
the whole time, she's just talking about herself and her
garden and all this stuff. And I'm just like, and she's saying
Yeshua and Yahweh. I'm just like, really, like, the verse.
I'm sorry, I didn't want to like forget what I was gonna say. The
verse she said, was about bringing forth fruit. And then
she said, Yeah, the fruits of the Spirit. I'm like, that's not
even what I was talking about. So you're also taking the verse
totally out of context.
I mean, Paul said, Let your women keep silence in the
church for a reason, right? You know, I take a lot of heat for
this. I've said this before in some sermons, but like, I stand
by it. I've never heard a good lady preacher ever in my
entire life. Like, never once have I been like, well, that's
like good teaching right there. Like never once like, and the
thing is, it's because God has not called them to do that. They
are not they are not made to do that. They're not made to be the
pastor. They're not called to be the pastor. And since they're
not made for it or called for it, like, they're never going to
be good at it. And you'll never show me a lady who you're like,
Oh, this is a good lady preacher, they all preach false
doctrine. They all they all are just weird. And like it just it
doesn't exist.
Yeah. And what do you think about people that are like, like
I've seen videos where, you know, somebody will be like, I
know, God's real. Because I said, I said, God, if you're
real, get I want this man right here to speak to speak to me.
And, and he claims that the pastor when he showed up late to
the church, he's sitting in the back, there's 1000 people there,
the pastor called him up. And he said, you're going to be famous
for God. And, you know, you're going to dance, you're going to
dance in front of the world. And, and then at that moment, he
fell out and he knew God was real. I was like, so wait, God's
gonna use you to dance. Where's that in the Bible?
David, David dance mightily before the Lord, right?
Remember? Yeah. Yeah.
But it's just, it's just as if those things where I honestly
think like, there is good and there is evil. Yeah. And I don't
think I don't think the devil is omnipresent. But he does have he
does have demons and devils that are everywhere. Yeah. And a lot
of that stuff where they're like prophesying over people, those
pastors are not saved. And I think a lot of that is demonic.
Yeah. So yeah, that's very, yeah, it's very, it's very
possible that like, it's very possible that like, you really
did say, like, this, and then this, and then something
happened where it's like, they miraculously called you out.
Like, that doesn't mean it's from God. Like, yeah, the Bible
says that the heavens declare the glory of God, the firmament
show at this handiwork, like, everybody knows that God exists
because the creation, everybody knows that God exists because of
their conscience. Everybody knows that God exists because he
revealed himself unto them. Right. That's like Romans one
says, so a person who says like, I need to see this. So I know
that God is real. And then God showed me it. So I know that
he's real. It's like, they're already not going down a biblical
path anyways, because everybody knows that God exists is what
the Bible says. And it doesn't say that he has to show himself
to people through signs and wonders in order.
Right. Like, let me pull it up real quick. Sorry. You 16.
This, it says, it says, Matthew 16, for a wicked and adulterous
generation seeketh after a sign, and there shall no sign be given
unto it, but the sign of the Prophet Jonas. And he'd left
them and departed. Yep, a wicked and adulterous generation seek
it after a sign. That's what people think they're going to
see some miraculous sign. It's called the gospel read the
Bible.
As Jesus said, so Jesus said in Luke 16, when he is telling the
story of the rich man and Lazarus, says that, he says that
Abraham says to the rich man, that his brothers have Moses and
the prophets, and if they won't believe them, they won't believe
someone who rose from the dead. Exactly. And there's people
that, sorry, go ahead.
In john chapter 20, Jesus told Thomas, like, you're blessed,
because you've seen and you believe, but blessed are those
who have not seen and believe, right? Like, I don't think that
God is obligated to show anyone a sign because he already has
all the Bible of creation. It's called the resurrection of Jesus
from the dead. And, you know, like you said, an evil and
adulterous generation seeks after a sign.
Yeah. And the thing is, that wouldn't be faith if you saw
him. Because you that would just be you saw it. That's by sight.
We walk by faith, not by sight. Yeah, that's a good verse. Um,
oh, here's that video of the Greek guy. Let me play this up
this Calvinist pastor.
My undergrads in math. My master's is in biblical studies.
Okay. So, you know, today, we're kind of just talking about the
premise of God hating people. What do you think about that?
Yeah, I mean, I guess I would say I disagree.
Okay, explain to me why you think that that God doesn't hate
anyone?
Well, it might depend on your capacity for nuanced thinking.
These rustics nearly takes the honor out of victory.
For example, john 316, a verse you probably are aware of. For
those of you that aren't aware in john 316, it says, For God so
loved the world that he gave his only son, but the so isn't a
degree. I don't know if you know, Greek, the who toast
behind the words in the lemica. Yeah, so wait, hold on. God
loving it. Let me go. I don't speak modern Greek, but I can.
Okay.
Dude, he got so embarrassed.
It's funny. He goes. So I don't know if you speak Greek. Right.
Let me speak. So I don't.
Yeah, right. Dude. Oh, man, that is that is. Well, you're gonna
play that again. That's freaking hilarious. Dude. I want to do
that again. That's so funny. Okay, let me play it. My
undergrads in math. My master's is in biblical studies. Okay. So
you know, today, we're kind of just talking about the premise
of God hating people. What do you think about that? Yeah, I
mean, I guess I would say I disagree. Okay, explain to me
why you think that that God doesn't hate anyone? Well, it
might depend on your capacity for nuanced thinking. These
rustics are so inept, nearly takes the honor out of victory.
For example, john 316, a verse you probably are aware of. For
those of you that aren't aware in john 316, it says, For God so
loved the world that he gave his only son, but the so isn't a
degree. I don't know if you know, Greek, the Hutos behind the
word. Yeah, so wait, hold on. I don't speak modern Greek, but I
can. Okay.
God.
Oh, buddy. That's too good, bro. Is that your that's your pastor
that
I can't hear you. So you're saying there's no limiter to
someone's morality? No, no limiter. There's only what we
can physically do. Do you feel like you are capable of
murdering 100 children? Yep. What?
Bro, what are you talking about, man? Okay, so just just make
sure I understood what you're saying. You're saying that if
you are in Germany, and you've been drafted in the army against
your will, and they line up a bunch of Jews, and they say,
pull the trigger, you would do that? Like 99.9% of all other
people? Yes, I would.
Oh, my goodness, dude.
Wow. Well, that is
that's something bro. That is that's something.
I don't know. I don't know how are you still there? I
accidentally left it. I'm back now. That is that is that is.
Yeah, 99% of people speak for yourself. Really? No. Speak for
yourself. Speak for yourself.
So the whole thing was, he was like, he knows he's full of
crap. He was just trying to double down.
So it didn't look like he lost the debate.
Yeah, well, you're crazy. I'd rather I'd rather just be like,
Okay, actually, you're right. I'm wrong. I don't know why I
said that. That was, you know, then be like, Yeah, well, I'll
kill hundreds of them. Like, what in the world? Yeah, he
said, you did. But then the funny thing was, let me see
here. He says, in
this one, no, it's
Oh, this one was crazy.
So that was your that's your pastor, then? Is that right?
Yeah, we're talking to him. Where's it? Where's he
interviewing these people? Is this on a college campus
somewhere? Oh, of course.
Yeah, yeah. What's what school is that? University of Texas.
Yeah, it's bad, dude.
Look at look at this.
Oh, a girl or a boy?
It's a it's a girl.
Let me see here, I'm going to pull this one up here.
Who am I talking with today?
Hi, my name's Zen.
Nice to meet you. And Zen, do you have any religious background?
Yes, I was born and raised by a Buddhist.
Is there something you're hoping to be reincarnated as
or is there something you have a goal towards?
I have always had a fascination with whales.
I have always wanted to be a whale.
A whale is a hard thing to be.
You have to be a very good person to be a creature of statue.
So I would hope to be a whale, but I don't think it's achievable.
Whales are definitely large mammals.
Well, he's definitely really good at keeping a straight face.
All these people say the basis.
Oh, that's so funny.
Whales are definitely large mammals.
Oh, man, dude, I keep going back.
I meant to go back on the video instead of the stream.
I know he's definitely he's definitely good at keeping a straight face
while people say crazy stuff.
I'd laugh at my person's face like, how could you take that serious?
Like I don't know how hard.
Very hard to be an animal of stature.
Like, yeah, OK, what?
And the crazy thing is, I have no idea
how he sat there with like he was so patient
with these people and did not get mad one single time.
And he sat there all day.
And I was just like, dude, I would just be like, I'm done.
You guys are just dumb.
I'm walking away right now for I go crazy.
And it was funny, too.
There was this one kid who he
what was it?
He said that there was over 500 contradictions in the Bible,
but he couldn't name one single contradiction.
Well, that's usually what they do, right there.
So the Bible is full of contradictions. Name one.
Well, I don't know. Right.
Like, there's just someone told them that.
So they repeat it. Exactly.
Yeah, they have literally no idea.
The would you say
out of all, like all the preachers, would you would you say Billy Graham
is probably the most famous preacher, most like.
I mean, in America, I mean, in America, probably right,
like he's called America's preacher.
I mean, he definitely is.
You know, I think probably I don't know why you got it.
You got someone else you think might be more.
No, I was just asking you because I thought he was personally.
And then it's funny because he literally says that
he thinks everybody's basically going to heaven.
Have you seen that of him talking to Robert Schuller,
Crystal Cathedral guy?
Yeah, he basically says like they may not even know the name Price.
Yeah, that's the video.
Yeah, it's pretty sad, man.
Pretty sad that the person who's the largest,
you know, most notable preacher is out there
saying all roads lead to all roads lead to Christ.
Yeah, that's pretty sad.
And do you think like as far as,
you know, like the end times and stuff like that,
do you think the Antichrist will come in the next 10 years?
You know, I don't know.
It's you know, I would hate to put a number on it.
I would hate to put a year on it.
Yeah, I do think that the Bible clearly says
perilous times shall come.
And man, it does seem like things are pretty wicked.
It does seem like the world is moving increasingly faster
towards globalism, one world government, one world religion.
And I do think that, you know, it is very it is very probable
that the Antichrist could be revealed.
Yeah. But but, you know, maybe I'm wrong.
You know, you read you read old preachers that are preaching
during World War Two and and and that time period.
And they thought like this must be it right.
Like so I don't know for certain.
But what I do know is that we're definitely living in perilous times.
The love of many has waxed old.
That men are lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God,
that they definitely are petty and high minded.
And so, you know, I think that we can look around in our culture
and just kind of examine a little bit what condition it's in
and maybe get a feel that like maybe we are getting close.
Yeah. Again, again, I don't want to put a number on it.
I would hate to say like he's coming back in the next 10 years
because the Antichrist is about to be revealed.
And then there's seven, you know, seven years in there.
Robert Breker said the rapture was going to be in 2017.
Well, Robert Breker also teaches that people in the Old Testament
were saved by works. Yeah.
He worships, he worships views.
But, you know, like, yeah, Robert Robert Breker doesn't understand the Bible.
He believes in dispensationalism.
Yeah. And not just like your run of the mill dispensationalism,
which is still wrong, but at least is maybe not heretical.
He believes in he believes in dispensational salvation.
He believes he believes that that people in the Old Testament were saved by works.
He believes that people in the tribulation will be saved by works.
The Bible, the Bible does not teach that.
The Bible teaches that it has always been by grace through faith
and that it has always been not of work. Yeah.
So, yeah, I mean, of course, a guy like that would predict that Christ is coming back and
he's still preaching, I guess, even though he's made a false prophecy.
So, you know, because everything, you know.
Yeah. And I was going to say, too, like
he believes that if somebody takes the mark of the beast,
they could like chop their hand off or cut their head off.
It's not what the book of Revelation says.
The book of Revelation says the same shall drink of the wine and the wrath of God.
So, yeah, and they're going to be tormented forever.
Those people who took the mark of the beast because they worship the beast.
It's like I don't even I don't even know how people believe this.
You know, people like this. It's crazy.
And it's like so people are good enough.
They're going to be good enough to be saved by works in the in the book of Revelation.
But they're not good enough now.
I'm a little.
Well, you know, he won't be there, so it doesn't matter.
Or so he thinks. So he thinks. Right.
And then it's like I've heard this, too, from some old IFB preacher.
He's like, oh, yeah, see, you know,
Noah built the ark and that's how he got saved.
Just like, you know, Noah built the ark by faith because he already was saved.
Yeah. That's what Hebrews 11 says.
Yeah, like Abraham offered Isaac on the altar.
That's how he got saved.
No, Abraham offered Isaac on the altar because he already was saved.
Yeah, that's that's that's so stupid.
That's ridiculous.
He did the works to get say it's like,
but it says he called upon the name of the Lord, like when he was 75.
Yes, and he didn't do that till way later, so.
Well, a lot of those a lot of those guys, again, like, you know,
dispensationalism is a poison that needs to be rooted out of Christianity.
Yeah, Baptists, Baptists historically do not believe in dispensationalism.
Dispensationalism is Plymouth Brethren doctrine,
whether you whether you read the men who formulated
the first London Baptist confession or the second London Baptist confession,
whether you read old school Southern Baptists like John Broadus and B.H.
Carroll, whether you read.
Even older, older Baptists,
even before all of those guys believed in covenant theology,
every single one of them believe that the church is Israel.
Every single one of them believe that it's one people of God
united in Christ Jesus and what you read.
So in the sixteen hundreds, when they're like,
you read the first London Baptist confession of faith, that's what they believe.
Yeah, whether it's whether it's Benjamin Keach,
whether whether it's John Gill, whoever it is, they all believe that,
whether it's John Broadus, B.H.
Carroll in the late eighteen hundreds, they believe that like like Baptists
do not historically believe in dispensationalism.
But what's sad is because of C.I.
Schofield and the propagation of his Bible,
as well as the fundamentalist movement, many Baptists have fallen
have fallen victim to the lie of dispensationalism.
And look, God doesn't deal in dispensations.
God deals in covenants.
The the way that God works, he makes a covenant with people.
And God has made.
God has made a covenant with Jesus Christ.
He's the seed of Abraham.
And if you're in Christ, you're a recipient of that covenant as well.
And so my my my thing is if you guys will take the dispensational glasses off
and just read the Bible,
you'll see that the Bible doesn't teach anything close to dispensationalism.
It teaches covenant theology.
If you just read history of what Baptists wrote,
you'll see that they don't believe that.
And it's Plymouth Brethren doctrine because it's from Darby.
It's from Schofield.
It's not it's not it's not about this.
Yeah. And another thing I was going to say,
I've I've seen people saying this.
Well, like because you know what they say, what we believe in is called free grace.
But it's like so funny.
It's like, well, if grace was anything but free, then it wouldn't be grace.
You know what I mean?
But these people will say that the our doctrine
wasn't invented until the nineteen hundreds.
Yeah, well, I mean, to anybody that believes that it is sound and orthodox
that tell people that you must forsake sin in order to come to Christ
and that that is modern doctrine.
You can look at men like Thomas Boston.
Look up the Octorot or Creed.
Look up and look up the book, The Marrow of Modern Divinity by Edward Fisher.
These books were written hundreds of years ago.
This is the this is the sound and orthodox position of the Protestant Orthodox.
I know that Baptists are not Protestant.
But all I'm saying is that the historic position of anybody
that is even remotely close is that it's not sound
and it is not orthodox to tell people that they must forsake
sin in order to come to Christ.
Look up The Marrow of Modern Divinity.
Read it for yourself.
Read the works of Thomas Boston for yourself.
You could see that what what people have bought this lie of.
Paul Washer and those guys.
Yeah, not that is not the orthodox position.
Yeah, and where can I find that
if you if you look up The Marrow of Modern Divinity, the guy that wrote it,
his name is Edward Fisher.
It's a really old book.
There's even modern, you know, obviously I'm not reformed.
I'm not a Protestant.
But there's even there's even modern guys that have wrote books against that.
A couple of modern books that were wrote wrote against,
you know, lordship salvation.
One book is called Christ the Lord.
One is called The Whole Christ.
And both of those books are are teaching that what this modern
what the modern
what the modern idea is, is lordship salvation.
That's not what that's not what the ancients taught.
And they prove it from original sources.
You know, I'm not Protestant, but I can at least look at
when they get something right and be like, yep, that's right.
Yeah. So but then it's like, you know, faith alone.
They'll say faith alone and scripture alone, but then they don't actually do it.
Yeah, there's a there's a big problem in Protestantism, dude.
Most of them are flying the sodomite pride flag outside of their churches.
So, yeah, you know, that's crazy.
And then real quick before, you know, we just kind of ended, I was going to say.
I lost my train of thought.
Gosh, dang it.
It was about gosh, dang, it was
just maybe it'll come to me when we get off.
Well, I appreciate you having me on, man.
Absolutely. Thanks a lot.
I'm glad I'm glad we got to meet and kick it a little bit, man.
Yeah, for sure. You're a cool dude, bro.
I saw your videos, I don't know, three or four years ago
doing your little white boy character.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Oakland, New Jersey, acting a fool.
And then I saw I saw a video, I don't know, a few months ago
where you were saying like, you trusted Christ by faith alone.
And I was like, man, praise the Lord.
That's that's great. That's great to hear.
I didn't I didn't trust my works like everyone, you know.
Yeah. Well, thank God, man.
And then I was just going to let everyone know where they could find your channel.
It's just first bass, first Baptist
Church of Roy on YouTube.
And I was going to say to
when they're looking for your sermons, they got to go to live stream.
Yeah, I don't know why YouTube does that.
I don't know why.
I don't know why they separate the videos like that.
I have like three videos and then everyone's like, where's the rest of them?
And it's like, you got to go to a live stream.
That's what I did. You do that.
I don't know why YouTube does that, because I because I saw yours.
I ended up after I watched some shorts, I clicked on that sermon,
you know, on why you can't lose your salvation.
And I was like, OK, because I'm just,
you know, trying to find, you know, I guess
more reasons why you can't lose your salvation all the time,
like just more to build more knowledge.
So I was like, OK, I actually haven't heard those reasons.
So that was pretty, pretty good.
I mean, God, man, that's awesome. Absolutely.
So everybody go check out his channel, man.
We got to definitely you got to definitely come out, come out here, man.
I'd love I'd love to meet you sometime in person.
I love you. I'm going to definitely look up some more of those funny clips of.
Yeah, yeah. Well, that you're showing me that's pretty funny, man.
Yeah, I'll send them over, man. God bless.
Thanks for coming on and have a great night.
Thanks a lot, brother. Have a good one. You, too.
Sweet. All right.
I'll stay on a little bit longer.
Yeah. Yeah, he's cool, man.
Um. Great doctrine.
Do do do do do do. Let's see here.
Thank you, brother, for coming up and speaking out tonight.
You're welcome. Um.
You used to be Catholic gang.
Um, I'm just reading some of the comments now.
Let's see what we can do here.
Paul Washer, what is Paul Washer's version of the gospel?
Let's see. Let's see what Paul Washer's version of the gospel is.
This video is literally called What is the Gospel by Paul Washer.
It is a great privilege for me to be here with you this evening, a tremendous privilege.
Before I get started, the pastors asked me to to introduce myself.
My name is Paul Washer and.
And I need some help with the microphone.
My name is Paul Washer and.
I serve with the Heart Crime Missionary Society,
which we support indigenous missionaries around the world and south America.
Thank you, Ricky. I appreciate it.
Europe, Eastern Europe, Africa, Asia, the Middle East.
Let's fast forward this proposal in doing this work of preaching.
And they will bear upon themselves a glory unspeakable.
If they die, very important.
There are people in this room right now.
Who, if they die.
Will be translated into heaven.
And they will bear upon themselves a glory unspeakable.
And there are other people in this room right now.
Who, if they die.
Will be sent by the judgment of God.
Straight into hell.
Where the grace of God is totally removed and they will be revealed as the monsters
that they truly are.
You see, those of us who preach the gospel, we are not here to entertain you.
We are not here to talk to you about temporal things, about how you can get the best that
you can get out of this present life.
No, I am not concerned tonight about your self-esteem.
I am not concerned about whether or not your billfold and your checkbook balance
themselves out.
I'm concerned about one thing one day, each and every one of you will stand naked before
a holy God and you will be judged.
That is my great concern.
This is not a game.
This is not something that has to do with culture, Western or Eastern.
This has to do with the word of the living God, the God, is he going to preach the gospel
or is he just going to like keep going on and on?
My goodness, the gospel of Jesus Christ, life and death, heaven and hell, and it is an
amazing burden for a preacher to stand before a group of people knowing that some of you
will hear my voice and go to heaven when you die and others of you will hear warning
after warning after warning and you will not listen and you will die under the wrath of
God and spend eternity in hell.
Bozo doctrine.
Yeah, that is why it is such a difficult thing.
Faith, you know what it's like to suffer.
You would rather die.
Then deny Jesus Christ.
Or live in a way that contradicts his word, but young people listen to me, many of you
were raised here.
Many of you were born in the West and you need to be very, very careful, this
Christianity is not a cultural thing.
This Christianity is is not something that just should be a small part of your life, it
is not something that you do on Sunday.
Christianity is not about you living in the world six days a week and coming to church,
Christianity is not about you being just like the world all the time and then coming to
church on Sunday.
If that is your Christianity, you have no Christianity, you are not Christian.
It is a dangerous thing to be raised in a Christian family.
It is a dangerous thing to be raised in a Christian community, because you may think
that somehow because your parents are Christian, you are Christian.
Or because you come from a group of people who have suffered that you to participate in
that glory, that is not true.
OK, where's the gospel, I'm waiting for the gospel, man, gosh, this guy's such a crybaby.
Young people, let me ask you a question, how do you know that you're Christian?
How do you know?
Well, you would know if you were Christian because you actually trusted Christ alone,
you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, you believe that he died on the cross for all
your sins and that he rose again, you believe he's the son of God.
I mean, that's how you know you're a Christian, but what's this bozo going to say?
Let's find out, I guarantee it's by your works that you have truly come to know Christ.
How do you know that if you died right now, you would go to heaven and be accepted by
God Almighty before his throne?
How do you know?
You say, well, it's all of grace, yes, it is all of grace, but he's going to insert the
heresy here, we are not saved by works, we are saved by grace, we are saved by believing
the promises of the gospel.
That is true.
But what you need to understand, oh, see, exactly, I called it, but but but nothing, you
bozo, you bum.
Shut up, Dan.
Is grace is a powerful thing that he who has given you grace to repent and believe gives
you grace to continue repenting and to continue believing, so if I don't continue
repenting of my sins, I'm not saying.
Look at that, I mean, this is just garbage.
This guy has a false idea of what repentance for salvation even is, because repentance for
salvation requires you to turn from what you're trusting in for salvation.
Most people obviously are trusting in themselves or, you know, their false religion,
which false religion is just you trusting in yourself, your own works.
So you need to turn from trusting yourself and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for
salvation, that is the correct repentance for salvation.
But this bozo obviously can't understand that.
He who gives you grace to believe and to justification also will give you grace for
your sanctification.
That you might grow in holiness, as a matter of fact, listen to me, one of the greatest
evidences that you have truly believed in Christ under salvation.
Oh, what's it going to be works?
Works, watch, is that God has begun a good work of sanctification in you, he works
sanctification, so it's your works and works.
Sorry, sorry, you cleaning up your life.
Is proof that you're saved, but the Bible says, but to him that worketh not, but
believeth on him that justify at the ungodly, his faith is for his kind of for
righteousness.
So here's the thing.
God knows a man's heart.
God knows what you are trusting in for salvation.
Obviously, man, you're going to be justified before man by what you do
outwardly, your works, but you're not justified before God by works.
That's the thing.
You're justified by faith with God.
So this guy is preaching a whole nother gospel.
And works to make you holy.
Yes, he works that a reality in your life works.
Young choir, exactly, he's saying, like Golden Knight says, You are saved by faith,
but if you don't have the works, slash monthly payments, you lose it or you were
just never saved.
That's what they'll say.
That's garbage behind me, let me ask you a question, you sing beautifully, but can
you honestly tell me that your great desire is to be holy?
Can you honestly tell me that your great desire is not to be like the world, to not
be like what you see here in the West and many other places, but to be like Jesus
Christ, can you tell me that?
Because if you cannot.
You should be afraid.
You should be very afraid.
So basically, if you're not doing the works or desiring to do the works, you just you're
not saved, you're just not saved.
That is another gospel, man.
That is another gospel.
Those who love the world.
Do not have the love of the father.
Now, we're going to take a passage tonight in the Old Testament, and we're going to
look at that passage, it's a new covenant promise.
OK, Bozo, why don't you take something from the New Testament and use it?
This whole thing is literally titled, what is the gospel?
And he has not even given the gospel, you know, the gospel is what Christ did, the
gospel is not our works.
It's always it's always the same thing with these guys, yeah, we're saved by grace
through faith, but.
It's like, no, but nothing, the Bible doesn't say, but anything it says, for by
grace are you saved through faith in that, not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,
not of works, lest any man should boast.
It doesn't say but, but this, but that, no, but nothing.
Yeah, you must be born again.
The only way somebody is born again is by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.
You're trusting Jesus.
You depend on Jesus in order to be saved.
That's it.
It's so your rebellion and it's really the most simple thing in the world.
But, you know, Bozo's like Paul Washer make it complicated.
Yeah, the gospel is perfectly defined and it's in first Corinthians.
And let me actually go to it real quick.
First Corinthians, after 15, 15, 15.
Okay, so in first Corinthians, chapter 15, let's pull it up.
Paul Washer is such a clown.
I seriously hate that guy anyways.
He's just leading so many people astray.
Okay, let me see here.
Oh, here we go.
Somebody donated Nathan Morris next.
I don't know who Nathan Morris is, but this says here in first Corinthians,
fifth chapter 15, what the gospel is.
It says, moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel, which I preached unto
you, which also ye have received and wherein ye stand by which also ye are
saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed
in vain, for I delivered unto you first of all, that which I also received, how
that Christ died for sins, according to the scriptures, and that he was buried
and that he rose again the third day, according to the scriptures, that's it.
That is the gospel.
And when it says, by which also ye are saved, if he keep in memory, what I
preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
So if somebody was to believe in vain, right?
So say I give someone the gospel and I come back to them a week or two later.
And I said, Hey, so, you know, what do you think somebody needs to do in order to go
to heaven?
And they just give me something totally different than what I gave them.
That person believed in vain.
They did not keep it in memory.
That's what that's saying.
And it's funny.
People will add works to try to add works to this somehow.
Like Gideon's pastor was that brother, brother, Josh, false brother.
Josh literally took first Corinthians chapter 15 and added works to this.
Somehow it's just like, what?
Yeah.
Uh, uh, Romans chapter one, verse 16 says, for I am not ashamed of the gospel of
Christ, for it is the power of God and the salvation to everyone that believe it to
the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Yeah.
Everyone, every human being has sin and except obviously Jesus was Jesus is God
brother, Josh, false brethren, Josh.
I mean, I don't even know how somebody can sit through that garbage.
It's just mind blowing.
It's wicked.
It's like their gospel is believing yourself, do the works and you might be
saved.
That's the good news.
Apparently I even asked Gideon one time.
I said, I said, Gideon, so is that good news?
If I came to you with this, with this Bible, and I said, look, if you follow
all of these commandments perfectly, you're going to go to heaven, but you
have to follow all of them.
I said, is that good news?
And he actually had the balls to tell me.
Yes.
I was like, yeah, you're full of crap, dude.
Um, like, what are you, what are you talking about?
So you actually believe that you can follow every commandment in here perfectly.
Get out, get out.
It's like, people think they're so righteous, but they're obviously not.
And he was trying to justify saying you could lose your salvation by saying,
here's the thing, look, um, look, here's the thing, say that I told you, Cassidy,
I was going to pay off all your debt, but what if you got in debt again?
I can't keep paying your debt, so I'm going to have to stop
helping you at some point.
So therefore you could lose your salvation.
I'm like, wait a second.
So, so Jesus only paid off some of your debt.
Is that, that what it is?
Cause that's what you're telling me basically, not basically, but
that is what you're telling me.
Sam says the Bible also says when you are born again, you become a new
creature and we put off the old man.
So yes, you will prove your salvation by living for Christ.
But here's the thing.
You still have the old man.
You have the new man and you have the old man.
So your spirit is obviously new.
You have the Holy ghost.
Your spirit is quick.
And before your spirit was dead past, it's only so.
Yeah, we'd be, we'd be damned.
We'd be freaking screwed if it was past sins only, but
obviously these people don't sin.
It's crazy how somebody like Gideon doesn't sin yet.
Um, you know, all these great men in the Bible sinned.
Isn't that crazy how David sinned, but Gideon doesn't.
It's wild.
The high priest sinned daily.
We sin every day, but Gideon and all these bozos like Apollo, they don't sin.
Oh, young Don doesn't sin either.
It's funny.
He was accusing everybody else of sinning and living in sin.
Yet he himself came out and said that he was getting drunk with alcohol
and smoking behind closed doors.
Isn't that crazy that the guys who preach this hardcore work salvation
and this law keeping garbage, they're over there, uh, you know,
committing the worst sins, but then they accuse us and say, well,
you just believe in this so you can live a life full of sin.
Really?
That that's you, buddy.
That's you.
No, I'm not a pastor.
Um, let's see here.
Abide in the word and young you abide in the word.
Oh my gosh.
That guy is a freaking bozo, man.
Oh, good night.
That guy preaches literally sinless perfection as well.
He thinks he doesn't sin.
Yeah.
I never has a foolish thought.
Well, the fact that you say you don't sin is already a foolish thought.
So you just sinned.
Uh, well, anybody who's preaching the real true gospel is not
going to make a ton of money.
They're not, um, let's see here.
Mm.
Sin when you know, to do good and yeah.
So yeah, the book of James says he that knows to do good and
do with it, not to him, it is sin.
So even the fact that if you know, to do something and you don't do it, that is sin.
So people, yeah, people don't realize how sinful they are, man.
That's the thing.
And so they think that they can, you know, make it to heaven by their works.
I mean, that's just a flat out lie though.
And, um, you know, like we were saying earlier that, uh, basically, uh, people
will say that you need to clean it.
You need to stop sinning.
You need to get the sin out of your life in order to be saved.
Well, here's the thing.
You can't do that until you can't even start to get the sin out
of your life until you're saved.
So that's just absolutely, you know, stupid, you know, without Christ, you're
not going to be able to do any of that.
So that's just stupid.
When people say you need to repent of your sins to be saved, you need to, and
these people that say that, you know, they're saying you need to turn
from your sins in order to be saved.
You cannot even begin to do that until Christ saves you.
A Jets and only a sinner would be, well, you know what, when you're a Jets fan,
the just endure the suffering, you know, being a Jets fan makes
you into the best Christian.
Don't hate man.
Won't give more, then we'll stop depending.
Well, I can't even understand.
I don't know what context you're saying.
Uh, I remember Jesus saying you have to, I don't even have a Tesla anymore.
I actually, uh, I actually turned it in and I got a different car.
Um, I got a different car, uh, yesterday because I went on Kdub.
I know, I know it's Kdub.
Uh, so what I'm saying is that, um, about the Tesla real quick is funny.
Cause I went on a road trip to, uh, I was going to go to the most racist town
in America and film and, um, anyways, I couldn't go there because there was
no Tesla supercharging stations and I didn't want to get screwed over.
So being my film or we ended up going to Tulsa, Oklahoma.
So we went to Tulsa, Oklahoma, and dude, it was a freaking nightmare
because on the way back, I ran out of battery on my Tesla and there
was no charging station anywhere.
So I had to, um, I had to, I had to get a tow truck and I was, I was two and a
half miles away from the charging station and the car died out of me.
So I'm calling every single tow truck, uh, you know, that I can find on Google
that's near me and none of them are going to tow my Tesla, I'm like, damn it.
So then anyways, man, by the grace of God, I'm serious.
This is a blessing from God.
I call one of the tow truck companies and I thought I had already
called them, but I guess I didn't.
And they were like, yeah, we'll come get it.
And cause this guy, uh, with a tow truck drivers just happened to be in my area.
So he came and he got my Tesla's $125 and he took it to the charging station
two and a half miles down the street.
And after that, I was just like, you know what?
That, that was the last straw for the Tesla.
I was already about to be done with it because you can't go
on road trips with the Tesla.
You have to literally, and if you do, um, drive long distance, because
there, if there happens to be charging stations, uh, on the way, you have
to sit there and charge up your Tesla for like 45 minutes to an hour.
Uh, it like, if, if the battery's basically dead, you have to
just sit there for almost an hour.
It is terrible.
But if you have a gas car, you can just gas up your car and
then you can go on your way.
It takes like a few minutes, maybe five minutes.
But anyways, uh, what I'm saying is that, yeah, I turned my Tesla in
and I actually got a Toyota Camry.
So I was, I'm actually really happy with the Toyota Camry.
It is super freaking nice, man.
It's, uh, it's the, it's the XSE, the Toyota Camry XSE.
That thing is freaking nice, man.
I love it way better than Tesla.
Um, everyone.
Yeah, I'm done.
Tesla is done, bro.
Never getting to Tesla ever again.
Yeah.
Camry's are, are not, dude, those new Camry's are sick, man.
And yeah, I only have Toyota's now.
So, cause we have a, we have a 2014 Toyota, a four runner, and
then I have the Camry, so only had Toyota's.
Toyota's are really reliable.
Cassie, do you think that the reason these guys who say they don't
sin is because they don't have the Holy Spirit to convict them?
I think it's possible.
Yeah, that could be a possibility.
Um, or they just don't realize, um, how sinful we really are.
Um, brother, I totally agree that we are not saved by works, but we
can't deny that the word teaches us that we will be different after salvation.
Well, here's the thing.
If you were judging somebody's salvation by the way they were
living, uh, at that point, it's like, how much do you need to
change then in order to show that you're really saved?
You know what I mean?
Cause everybody's different.
Everybody has different sins that they're dealing with.
Everybody is completely different.
So like, if you don't clean up your life enough where you just never
saved, well, here's the thing.
If somebody gets saved and they never get into this, they never
go to church, they never pray.
They don't do anything spiritual.
Their life is going to look exactly the same.
And that's why I say that if you're not reading the word of God, you're
not going to start to clean your life up.
I mean, it's plain and simple.
If you're not doing those spiritual things, you are going
to look like the same person.
So when somebody says that, if you don't have a changed life, you're not
saved, that's absolutely garbage and lies because if somebody gets
saved and they don't go to church and they don't read their Bible or
do any of those things, spiritual things, they are going to look
like the same exact person.
It's just nonsense, man.
Obviously we should read our Bible.
Obviously we should go to church.
Obviously we should pray.
Obviously we should go out and preach the gospel.
But here's the thing, that has nothing to do with your salvation.
I mean, and it's funny when somebody, somebody would tell me like, oh, you
don't believe in doing any works.
Well, you know, I go to church three times a week.
I read my Bible every single day.
I pray, I go soul winning every single week.
And I know none of that stuff has anything to do with my salvation.
I don't have to do any of those things to go to heaven.
I still do it because I love God.
I fear God.
That's why I do it.
And you know what I want to, I want to do the things that are pleasing to God.
And obviously I know that, uh, my life is going to be better if I, you know, do the
things that God wants me to do versus the things, uh, you know, that pleases my
own flesh, my own desires and, you know, I want to have rewards in heaven.
So, yeah, easy.
Believism isn't the problem because being saved is easy.
The problem is Christians need to read the sincere milk.
Absolutely.
People do need, it is easy to be saved because Jesus did all the work.
Jesus did the hard part, but obviously, you know, growing spiritually, that's,
that is the difficult thing because it takes work to grow spiritually.
It takes work to get in your Bible, to read the Bible, to study the Bible.
It takes work to go to church.
It takes work to go preach the gospel.
It takes work to, to, you know, um, you know, to spend time in prayer.
It does, it takes work.
So, um, those, I mean, those are all great things to do, but yeah, um, that
has nothing to do with your salvation.
What do you make of the first 15 centuries of Christian history, preaching
a different gospel than I don't believe that for two seconds, that, uh, that
people preach the different gospel.
I don't believe that for two seconds.
There's, there's always people preaching work salvation throughout time.
And there's always been people preaching, uh, you know, faith alone.
There's always been people preaching that in the Bible.
There were people telling, you know, preaching that, um, you need to
keep the law in order to be saved.
They were saying that you're justified by the law.
Nobody's justified by the law.
Um, so yeah, it was, it was happening to Paul.
People were preaching work salvation.
People were preaching lies.
It's not like all of a sudden, you know, a hundred years ago, people started
just preaching that it's all by faith.
No, this, this has been throughout time.
I mean, so that's just ridiculous when people will say, well, you know,
people just started now believing in free grace theology, really?
Then why is it in the Bible?
So you're telling me right now, since the Bible's been around just
less than a hundred years ago, people started believing in free grace theology.
That salvation is free.
That is just stupid.
I mean, what, where do people come up with this?
Um, it's honestly funny.
If you will, golden Knight has the funniest comments.
He says, if you, uh, if you willfully sin, once you lose your salvation forever,
it's funny though, because the people that believe that you can lose your
salvation, they think you can get it back.
But the Bible says that once somebody, let me, let me read it in Hebrews.
Uh, I'll just go to that.
Um, Hebrews, Hebrews chapter six, the Bible reads, let's go to the, um,
let's go here.
Hebrews chapter six says, um, let's just start in verse one to get the context.
It says, therefore, leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ,
let us go on unto perfection, not laying again, the foundation
of repentance from dead works.
Notice what you are repenting from dead works, which what is dead works.
That's you trusting in yourself, self-righteousness and of faith toward God.
So you're repenting of your dead works, trusting in yourself.
That's what that's saying.
And a faith toward God of the doctrine of baptisms and of laying on of hands
and of the resurrection of the dead and of eternal judgment, and this will
we do if God permit for it is impossible for those who once, uh, who, sorry,
sorry, let me read that again for it is impossible for those who were once
enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and were made partakers
of the Holy ghost and have tasted the good word of God and the power of the
world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance,
seeing they crucified of themselves, the son of God afresh and put him to an open
shame. And it's funny that people will lose it, read this verse and say, see,
they lost their salvation, but the same people that say that you can lose your
salvation, you know what they say that you can get it back, but here's what it
says here.
If they shall fall away to renew them to, Oh, sorry.
Let me read this one more time.
It started in verse five.
It says, uh, actually I need to start in verse four.
Sorry.
It says for it is impossible for those who were once enlightened and have
tasted of the heavenly gift and were made partakers of the Holy ghost and
have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the world to come, if they
shall fall away to renew.
So it is impossible for these people to renew them again unto repentance,
seeing they crucified of themselves, the son of God afresh and put him to an open
shame. So the Bible says that it's impossible to renew these people unto
repentance again, but here's the thing.
The people that say you can lose your salvation, they say you can get it back,
but that's clearly saying otherwise, because this is not talking about losing
your salvation.
It is not talking about that whatsoever.
And if you read this whole chapter of Hebrews, it's talking to saved people and
it's literally saying, Hey, let's move on and grow spiritually and move on past
the basic, you know, simple doctrine of Christ.
Let's get into more advanced doctrine because it is impossible to renew those
unto repentance, uh, who fall away, but that's not saying they're not sick.
They're not, it's not saying that they're not saved.
Does that make sense?
It's saying that they can't get saved again.
They're already saved.
So stop preaching them the gospel basically, because here's what people will
do. A lot of people, uh, so say, you know, there's people in church, they, they
backslide or whatever.
And, uh, instead of going and like, you know, maybe getting them into more
advanced doctrine or anything like that, um, you know what these people will do.
There'll be like, Oh, you know, I don't, I think they lost their salvation.
I'm going to go give them the gospel again or whatever, even though these
people are just backslid.
And I hope I'm kind of explaining that, but, uh, anyways, the whole moral of the
story is that this is not talking about losing your salvation.
It's talking about, uh, once it's talking about moving on past, you know, uh, the,
the basic doctrine of, you know, salvation and moving on, uh, to more
advanced doctrine.
And cause, you know, the people who are, uh, who, who do fall away, you know, you
can't, they, they're not, they don't need to get saved again.
Uh, pastor Shelley did a great job of explaining it.
Yeah.
It's only on rumble though.
I don't want to.
Yeah.
You can actually go.
You can actually go on rumble and look it up, uh, on steadfast Baptist.
Uh, uh, I was going to say YouTube channel, but if you go to their rumble
channel, but yeah, like if somebody saved and they, you know, somebody, well, these
people would say they're not saved anymore.
You know, if they, if they fall away or they backslide, but here's the thing.
Then they'll go give them the gospel again and try to get them resaved.
That's not what they need.
You know, it's not what they need.
They need to get back in church.
They need to, uh, get into some more advanced doctrine.
Cause you know, a lot of these people, they're just babes in Christ and they
just stay with the, uh, the most basic doctrine, salvation.
It's like, okay, it's time to move on at some point.
But I mean, my main goal is to, uh, you know, just get the gospel out there.
The true gospel, get people saved.
Sorry if that was complicated or confusing, but, but, but what if they then
decide to start trusting in their works?
Well, I think there's some people that can be confused.
They might get mixed up in false teaching, but I, you know, I believe
if somebody really trusts Christ, um, you know, obviously they're saved, but
I think there's people that could get mixed up with, uh, you know, they're,
they're a babe in Christ and they get mixed up by a false prophet.
Yeah.
If somebody thinks they can lose their salvation, they're not saved.
They're trusting in themselves a hundred percent.
Um, let's see here.
Oh man.
There's so many clear scriptures that you can't lose your salvation.
Um, let me see here.
I have, I'm not going to be on here much longer.
Um, let me just make this clear here.
Um, oh, Hebrews chapter 10 is really good actually.
Uh, and it's funny cause people will say Hebrews chapter 10, like
proves you can lose your salvation.
Uh, but Hebrews chapter 10, starting in verse 10, the Bible says by the
which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ.
Once for all and every priest stand at the daily ministry and offering
oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever sat down
on the right hand of God from henceforth, expecting till his enemies
be be made his footstool for by one offering, he has perfected
forever than that are sanctified.
Isn't that crazy by one offering.
And it says in verse 10, by the which will we are sanctified through the offering
of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
So it's a one time deal.
So, cause here's the thing.
If you could lose your salvation and then you had to keep getting it back,
that means Jesus would have to die over and over and over and over.
It doesn't work like that.
Jesus died one time.
It's once for all you are born again, one time in the moment in twinkling of an eye.
But with these people, it's like, well, Jesus needs to just keep dying over and over.
You know, I just got to keep getting resaved, rededicating my life to Christ.
OK, you dedicating your life to serving Christ is not salvation, though.
That isn't the gospel.
You know, that is works.
You dedicating your life is works.
OK, so when people say, oh, you got to give your life to Christ to be saved.
Where is that in the Bible?
I even ran into this lady when I was soul winning and I was like,
so what do you think a person needs to do to go to heaven?
And she's like, surrender your life to Christ.
I was like, where's that in the Bible?
Couldn't even answer me.
Just she just walked off.
Her justification was that my husband's a pastor.
Anyways.
And obviously also like me and Pastor David, we were talking about
we were talking about how God foreknew his people.
God knows your whole life from beginning to end.
He knows who was going to believe, who knows was going to be saved
because we are predestinated to the image of Christ.
So for somebody to say you can lose your salvation.
So God's just toying around with your salvation.
He knows you're going to lose it.
But he's just going to screw with you.
What kind of God do you believe in, man?
It's like you're this is what these people believe.
Oh, I'm living right. I'm saved.
I backslid. I'm not living as good as I should.
Now I'm not saved.
Oh, I'm living right. I'm saved.
Yeah, you're trusting yourself.
You're not trusting Christ.
Like you got to keep rededicating your life,
you know, to Christ in order to, you know, just got to keep getting
resaved every year, you know.
My gosh. So it's like
if you just have one bad thought and you don't
repent of that, you die and go to hell.
That's what Gideon believes.
Gideon believes that if if if you commit a sin
and you don't repent of that sin before you die, that you're going to go to hell.
Good luck with that, buddy.
Good luck with that.
OK. Let me see here.
And you know what I love about
I'll just do this.
If you are actually saved, you always get pulled back no matter what you do.
I wouldn't agree with that because Saul.
King Saul, he died, backslidden,
very backslidden, and he saved.
Solomon was very backslidden.
He saved. You think God's going to have an unsaved person
write three books in the Bible?
No, he's not. Yeah, one second.
What's that? Oh, no, I'm about to end it right now.
OK. Yeah, so a possible sorry.
You can't prove Saul was saved.
Well, the Bible says that he would be in paradise.
With Samuel and his sons.
So, yeah, he he is saved.
Who do I believe you or the Bible?
I believe the Bible.
Judas never believed in Jesus.
Judas didn't believe.
And I could prove that.
I mean, I don't I don't know what Bible you're reading,
but Judas says Judas never believed he was a devil from the beginning.
So I'm going to read this and I'm going to get off here because.
It says John 664, but there are some of you that believe not
for Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believe not
and who should betray him.
And he said, therefore, said I unto you that no man can come unto me,
except it were given unto him of my father.
From that time, many of his disciples went back and walked no more with him.
Then said Jesus under the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go?
Thou hast the words of eternal life, and we believe
and are sure that thou art the Christ, the son of living God.
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve?
And one of you is a devil.
He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon,
for he was that should betray him being one of the twelve.
Well, there you go. Judas never believed Judas wasn't saved.
Judas was a devil from the beginning.
You can follow Jesus all you want, but if you don't trust in Jesus,
if you have not believed on the Lord Jesus Christ depended on him,
then you are not saved.
That proves it right there.
Judas followed Jesus.
Judas repented of his sin.
He felt sorry for his sin, and he wasn't saved.
Why? Because he never believed on Jesus.
Bible's clear.
Who am I going to believe you were the Bible?
John Chapter six versus 64
through the remaining of John Chapter six
is very clear that Judas never believed.
Judas was one of the first bozos, exactly.
So, yeah, guys, thanks for.
Yeah, there's look.
There's there's Judas is everywhere.
And here's the crazy thing.
You probably don't even know who they are, but, you know,
they're going to come out of the woodworks eventually.
You know, I hope we don't have any in our church.
But, you know, there's people like young Don.
He claimed to believe in, you know, free grace theology.
And then he ended up being a Judas.
And now he believes in hardcore work salvation.
The guy changes his doctrine every week or so.
I mean, one minute it's Calvinism, then it's free grace.
Then he's preaching the law to be saved.
Now he's believing in hardcore work salvation.
Yeah, Judas was a disciple, a follower of Jesus,
but he did not believe in Jesus.
He was a devil from the beginning.
You can follow Jesus.
Following Jesus does not save you.
Trusting, a.k.a.
believing on the Lord Jesus Christ saves you.
You can follow Jesus day and night.
But if you don't trust in Jesus, you're not saved.
So, no, I'm not a Calvinist, definitely not a Calvinist.
Anyways, guys, I'm about to get off here.
Thanks for coming on this dream. God bless.