Okay cool so can you first I guess we'll just start with um do you want to start by telling me
kind of what your reaction was to seeing yourself go so viral on tiktok um
yeah you know the I guess the shocking thing is it's not really shocking but the thing that kind
of took me back is just how they clicked how that woman clicked you know what I said to make it
sound like I'm promoting murder we don't promote murder at this church murder is the unlawful
premeditated killing of somebody okay that's unlawful why would I put that on youtube
it's not what I was saying right but you do um say that you're doing kind of like
anti-lgbtq absolutely yes yes okay um and so I was going to ask the next question kind of you
thought you were taken out of context if you could explain a little bit more maybe sure so what I was
talking about I was teaching our people how to answer the question why does why does god allow
pedophiles we get that from time to time and I was talking about in the old testament a little bit
because chapter 20 verse 13 says that uh all homosexuals were to be put to death now that
was an old testament Israel obviously that's not the law today in the united states it was
uh the 1600s 1700s 1800s and then it progressed to a felony and now it's you know it's totally
legal but that's besides the point that's what I was trying to communicate that it was when
god's in charge of a nation that's his standard the bible says he's going to come back and rule
with a rod of iron and that's going to be the law again someday and so that's what we believe and
that's what I was teaching okay and so I guess you know lots of churches they want to kind of
send a message of love compassion you know like welcoming people with open arms so some people
would say you know your message seems to be the complete opposite what would you say to that
I mean the bible commands us to be instant in season and out of season
you know preaching against the uh lgbtq community is definitely out of season but it's in the bible
you know it's from the beginning of the bible to the end we play the bible so
you know just say what you want but we have tons of other sermons on our youtube channel to help
moms dads kids families you know all sorts of things right and so I know um I guess do you
see why some people might worry that someone in your congregation would take what you're saying
and go out and actually try to harm someone from the lgbtq community no I don't I don't see that
honestly because we always make it very clear that it's the government's job to punish it's not our
job it's not my job I've never taught anything like that you know we're not about going out and
hurting people despite the fact that we believe differently or whatever the case is so yeah no
one in our church would do that yeah but I guess do you see how people or I guess how people might
think that you know you are spreading hate and that you know people in your congregation will
become more hateful towards people who aren't you know the same as them I'm not sure what you mean
by hateful though yeah I mean just disagreeing or just just hating I mean there's like hate crimes
that happen against people in lgbtq community so yeah there are and you know we read about
that and that's unlawful in this country you know we don't condone that and you know you wouldn't
be able to attend this church if you're out there doing stuff like that you know so you uh you I
guess you don't think your um your rhetoric would actually incite violence no no okay um and so let's
see so you do kind of make clear um in your videos that um you want to send the messages that the
lgbtq community is not welcome in your church absolutely so that then is your message also
they shouldn't be welcome in society I wish that I'll be honest you know I wish that the government
would bring back the library laws in 16 1700 and implement the law the bible now is that going to
happen absolutely not but that's what I believe that's what the bible teaches okay and so I guess
kind of going back to the last question um you want to consider your rhetoric to be able to be
to know I mean if people want to perceive it as hate I mean you can't have love about hate
you know you can't hate that you can't love flowers if you don't need meat you can't love
children if you don't need pedophiles okay oh and then I think that's basically all I wanted to ask
you is there I guess anything you know that you saw um in the TikToks that maybe like you regret
saying no I don't regret anything that I've said but I would like to say you know if anything would
cause somebody to go out and harm another person based off what I said it would be from that TikTok
video in a way that it was spliced not given any context you know go back four minutes and
watch what I said you know understand I was talking about the Old Testament times
right okay well then um do you want to just can you get a couple like angles of us talking about
and then we're basically done okay