right I believe we are live on YouTube right now
this is a Ben Naim here
and I'm very excited about the live stream tonight
I'm here with somebody I've been Facebook friends with
for a long time and this is the first time we've actually ever had a chat
one-on-one but it's great to be here we're talking about
end times Bible prophecy this evening
this is one of my favorite subjects I've always been a huge fan
of this you know topic
I talk about it a lot with my friends and you know when it comes to Bible
prophecy there's a lot of different views out there
there's a lot of different positions out there that people have but at the end of the day
there's only one truth and that's what we're seeking to try and find
this evening is the truth what does the Bible say
and so that's what we're going to try and accomplish tonight let me just make sure that the
stream is running all right
let me just check that and then I'll introduce
our guest who might be having some issues hearing me but
hopefully he can get that squared away just check to make sure we're live
first of all what does the Bible say we are okay great
so brother Mike Murphy
is here brother Mike Murphy is joining me
and we're going to be talking about
end times Bible prophecy brother Mike can you hear me okay
I can hear you fine can you hear me yes I can all right well brother Mike
I just want to thank you for coming on for this live stream
I really appreciate it and like I said on the onset we're talking end times
Bible prophecy this is one of my favorite subjects
and you know it's been a long time since I've done a live stream so I'm trying to
get it all back together again and using some new equipment some new software so
you'll have to bear with me as we kind of go through this here there might be
some technical issues and for those of you listening live
you have to bear with me as well as it is a technical issues I'm sure
already has been but it's great to be here with you brother Mike
and first of all I guess just introduce yourself to the audience
real quickly in terms of
maybe just a little background on yourself and just
so that people can get a little familiar with who you are
well first of all I just want to thank you so much brother Ben for having me on
here it's really great to be here and
end times Bible prophecy is one of my favorite topics
too and I really love getting down deep and talking about it myself
so basically
what got me interested into end times prophecy this goes back all the way from
from the time around the time when I got saved about 30 years ago
back in 1993 I was in central Michigan living in the dorms and I befriended a
Christian man my friend Nate he and I wasn't a
Christian at that time but he always preached at me he he was
sharing me the gospel and he was using all kinds of tactics
to try and win me to the lord one of the things
he did was he said okay be sure you promise me something
promise me that if you see a whole bunch of people disappear from this earth
then you promise me you'll read the bible you'll read
you'll read the the gospel of john you'll read
first corinthians 15 to to understand what happened to everyone
and basically I just I thought to myself you know that sounds really interesting
how that happens is that really in the bible
but you know I I didn't get saved at that time
eventually he confronted me you know he's just like
do you want to go to heaven or do you want to go to hell and I was like
well I don't want to go to hell in my mind I was thinking
and my mind is thinking you know what I really do want to get saved
because I don't want to go to hell I want to go to heaven and I want to learn
more about this kind of stuff and and what else the bible has to say
but eventually you know shortly after I did get saved it took me a while because
we were good friends and in my mind it was kind of a competition thing you know
I can resist him he's trying to get me saved I'm saying no
you know I don't want to humble myself at that time so
anyway thinking about heaven and hell I thought you know what
some stupid competition is insignificant I'm going to
I finally pulled the trigger and got saved and started going to church
with him and going to sunday school with with him and his friends
and his uncle basically ran the sunday school
and after a while he was asked about the book of revelation
and he he's he's saying you know what we don't really study the book of
revelation much we kind of stay away from revelation
it's too dark it's too mysterious there's too much symbolism and blood
and it's just too hard to understand well I took that as a personal challenge
and for for that whole time I was deep into bible prophecy
and revelation and and everything end times prophecy
yeah I mean that's definitely an understatement you've made several
charts which I'm going to show on the screen in a moment here
dealing with this subject and I think for a lot of people who are visual who
are visual learners it's really helpful to be able to see
the timeline to be able to look at it in a chart form and to see all right
this particular portion of daniel's 70th week
lasts for you know for example 1260 days and here are what
the four horsemen of the apocalypse symbolize and here's what the
seven trumpet and vials are going to entail or what's going to happen when
the seven trumpet and vial judgments occur and here's when the
rapture happens and what it's all sort of just laid out in chart form for
people to look at I think it helps visual learners really
to understand what's going on because this subject
especially if you've never studied it before
it can get confusing and I don't blame people for getting confused about it
simply just reading the text of the book of revelation or the book of daniel or
joel or other eschatological portions of
scripture it can get difficult you know it
certainly is the the meat of the word and so for visual
learners out there these charts can be helpful and I wanted to
actually put your website up on the screen here
so that people can see what I'm talking about
and there it is for those of you watching on youtube you can see brother
mike's charts he's got the daniel 70th week chart he's got the
kingdoms of the world symbolism chart he's got the true age of the earth so
he isn't a one-trick pony folks you're gonna get
other charts as well dealing with other subjects and here he has the true
age of the earth the 70 weeks of daniel again
mostly focusing on what the bible says there in daniel chapter nine and this
one is so cool and this gets my inner nerd
prophecy nerd just going right here this is super exciting
the foreshadowings daniel 70th week foreshadowing looking at
different types or pictures of the rapture specifically from a post-trip
pre-wrap perspective i find that to be very
interesting and then there's the biblical calendar
and feast days you also have the chronology of the
divided kingdom of israel and judah the books of the bible
and the structure of the book of daniel and you end it with daniel's
right triangle which i'll ask you about a little bit later on but those are some
of the charts that you have there on the website but before we get into that you
already talked a little about how you got into end times bible prophecy
what led you to decide to study it and things like that
but my question for you is this when you first
got into this when you first started to look into this and study this topic
what did you believe about the timing of the rapture because most people that i
run into they kind of start out first of all as
pre-trip they start out with the pre-trip position
and then later on they kind of evolve they learn more maybe they watch after
the tribulation by pastor stephen anderson paul
whitenberger and they change their mind that way or
they run into different preaching or a different film whatever the case may be
but most people i've met went from the pre-trip position to the
post-trip position did you start out already believing in
the post-trip pre-wrath rapture or is that something you had or is that a
conclusion you had to come to later on in your christian life
well as i had mentioned my friend challenged me
as far as you know he he's basically telling me that if you all of a sudden
see the rapture happen then you know find find out what
happened in first corinthians 15 right so they they taught me
pre-tribulation rapture that's how i that's how i learned
and basically i didn't know much about the bible i was freshly saved
so naturally i listened to many other people
as far as trying to learn my uh end times prophecy i listened to jack
van impie i listened to perry stone i listened to
john hagee i listened to hal lindsay and so many
other you know tv preachers i also read all
the left behind books from tim lehay and jerry jenkins you know
i watched all the movies however i i didn't
do the board games or the action figures okay you stopped showing one second
that is give me a sec i need to put it in my other ear
okay can you hear me yes i can okay so yeah i was into all that stuff
and uh and shortly after i got saved i started
you know caring about the issues of the world geopolitics
you know i became a right-wing conservative because
and constantly watched the news because i wanted to find out
you know when this one world government is going to start forming so i
i watched the news with an end times prophecy state of mind
and i listened to like rush limbaugh sean hannity bill riley glenn beck just
so many so many of those kind of people uh
to get my my opinions basically that turned me into a very angry fox
news christian i know what that's like so
yeah finally finally it all came to a head
in 2010 you know the passing of obamacare and that just pissed me off big time
and i just started developing this mindset that
there's got to be a conspiracy behind all this so
guess who i started listening to shortly after that i'm going to take a stab at
it and say alex jones you got it
and i found out that both parties are evil to the core
you know so i listened to alex jones from
for many months many years finally in 2013
alex jones decides to have this preacher steven anderson on his show
and basically promoting his film after the tribulation that
kind of ticked me off a little bit but um you know i always knew in my head
that whenever i did read the bible i always
knew that there wasn't much that supported a pre-trib rapture
so i wasn't that ticked off about it i thought you know what
i'm gonna give him a chance you know i'm gonna go
watch the film i'm gonna open up my bible
and just watch it and try and learn something
if there really is a lot of scripture that supports the post trip
then i should change my view you know i should align my views to the bible
and i was wondering how many scripture how much scripture is really and i was
just so blown away by how much scripture that does
support that position you know i had matthew 24 mark 13 luke 21
revelation six and seven side by side and everything was just so consistent i
was just flabbergasted and it didn't take me
long to change my view after i watched that film and
it created a monster i i sought out pastor anderson's
uh youtube channel and paul wittenberger's channel
and watched the whole revelation series maybe two or three times
and then in 2018 i watched the daniel series
and basically between the time that i changed my view
my my understanding of revelation and end times just exploded
well once you have the right view on the timing of the rapture i think it really
helps to unlock scripture and
specifically the book of revelation when you realize
that it's cut in half starting in chapter 11
chapter 12 on begins the second half of the book
when you realize that's how it's laid out it really helps you to understand
what's going on that these events are sort of being told
again in the second half of the book and it just unlocks it like i said the
pre-trip position makes bible prophecy so confusing
you look at these pre-trips and preachers you know a guy that comes to mind and
he's a false teacher is robert breaker you look at his videos and he's got a
whiteboard behind him there's like 50 arrows one's going up one's going down
there's like six raptures there's 50 dispensations there's
you know charts up you know one side and down the other and it's like
it looks like the world's most difficult math equation
whereas if you know how many times and how many times has he set a date for the
rapture too and it didn't come to pass exactly over and over and over again
date setting and he's not the only one who's done that but
my point is is the pre-trip position just makes bible prophecy
so confusing it's already a difficult subject and they make it even harder
the way that they interpret passages and talk about different church
ages and how we're going to be raptured before the tribulation
and it's eminent and you never know when it could happen
of course none of this is found in the bible right i mean the bible says after
the tribulation in matthew chapter 24 verse 29 mark 13
you know you read the all of that discourse you read second thessalonians
chapter two and i don't think that the scriptures
could be any more clear about the timing of the rapture but let's get
into your charts now because this is the reason why i got you on
and i actually gave you a nickname brother mike i
i call you the bible chart guy it's not the most creative name
but it's what i've labeled you and that's because you've come out with
several different charts over the years many of them dealing
with bible prophecy which is the subject matter that we're covering on
the live stream tonight but obviously you've also done charts
dealing with other subjects you talk about you know you have charts rather
that um kind of visualize the timing of the
passover when jesus christ died and rose again which is very helpful
and again just to lay all of that out in chart form for visual learners
but this podcast is more so dealing with prophecy
and the very first chart that you made i'm going to put up on the screen now
and it might be helpful if you have the ability on your end mike to look at it
yourself so we're looking at the same thing
but the very first chart you made and i'm loading it up here
dealing with daniel's 70th week and just talk a little about this i have it
up now for the viewers so they can see for
themselves what we're talking about let me just make it
actual full screen there we go so i have the first chart you've ever made
on the screen here this is daniel's 70th week for those of
you who maybe are unfamiliar with this it's
dealing with the very last seven years before the millennium before
the 1000 year reign of jesus christ and what happens during
this time period you have the tribulation where the devil
essentially persecutes all of mankind at the midpoint it's
the abomination of desolation then you've got
the persecution of christians it reaches a fever pitch
and a point that has never been seen before in in history
where the antichrist makes war with the saints then you have the rapture then
you have the wrath of god poured out for a period of just under three and a
half years but i have your first ever chart
pulled up here and brother mike when did you actually
produce this give us a little backstory on this chart
so this one here um the very first uh daniel 70th week chart
i made this after i heard
pastor anderson preach about the timing of the rapture
and i believe he preached that in 2017 i think and
again i was blown away with all the different
illustrations or pictures of the rapture
you know you have you have the trumpet of the jubilee
happening in the 10th day of the of the seventh month in the year
which matches perfectly with the timing of the rapture in daniel's 70th week
you have the sea of galilee which um you know
jesus is walking on the water and he comes to the disciples
exactly 53 percent into the sea of galilee into their trip yes
boom they're just immediately warped to the other side like that
you know i thought that was pretty cool and and also the desolation
of jerusalem well the captivity of jerusalem
is when uh joe hoyakin joe hoyakin i don't know i guess it's
pronounced joe hoyakin but he was brought forth out of prison
given a change of garments and you know continuously eats with the king
a wonderful picture of the rapture he was in prison before
and he's pulled out exactly 53 into the captivity right and
you know there there was some other ones i discovered one about enoch
uh that's not on this chart but this is the first chart that i made here
i'll show the enoch one momentarily that's a
really really cool picture of the rapture but what i like about this
is you have daniel 70th week you've got all the different
highlights everything that occurs here and then you have
under it these types if you want to call it that right here
you have the trumpet of the jubilee the sea of galilee you mentioned that
and i'll get into more detail later but i think this is a good start now
what do you use to make this like what software are you using to produce a
chart like this so i use i now i primarily
use microsoft powerpoint okay because there's some great there's
some great tools in there that can align objects with each other and also
distribute them evenly and i just learned some tricks
over the years using microsoft powerpoint that helps me create these
but one of the mistakes that i learned after i made
my first chart here that i don't know if you still have that on screen or not
but i do charts it's possible to have too much
information in in the charts information overload so
as you can see in the bottom there's there's what happens beyond daniel
the very bottom you see the judgment reward and under the saints
then the millennium the thousand years where jesus comes and rules and reigns
on this earth and then satan gets loose to deceive the
nations then after that you have the battle of gog and magog and satan cast
into the lake of fire then the great white throne judgment
death and hell cast in the lake and fire new heaven and the new earth
and jerusalem descending to the earth so i had that
i this was kind of my daniel 70th week and beyond
and illustrations so since then i've broken those up into two different
charts first first one is the daniel 70th week i
focus only on daniel 70th week and then
i put the illustrations into a separate chart
well let's look at that so i'm pulling up here
what appears to be your most updated daniel 70th week chart on your website
so it's the very first chart that you have on your website i just clicked on
it and we're looking at now an updated
version and you could tell that you've definitely
improved in the sense that some of these graphics look a lot better
and for me this one's easier to follow in the sense that you've got different
like i said time periods color coded as well
so that helps you realize where you're at in the timeline
and like you said it appears that the foreshadowing
the pictures of the poster pre-wrath raptures
are found in a different spot now but looking at this
updated chart here you can see for those of you that are watching
at home or on youtube that he's got some nice looking graphics to illustrate
exactly what's going on at what part of daniel 70th week is being highlighted
in particular i like the seals right here first
seal second seal third fourth fifth sixth and seventh
and you can see that the first four seals are coupled with the four horsemen
of the apocalypse and they're colored appropriately there so you have
that and it tells you exactly what occurs after each seal in this gray
spot over here and i like how daniel's uh
70th week or the seven years of daniel 70th week is
illustrated by what looks like a kind of measuring tape
which that was one of my most recent updates yeah
i think that makes it really cool i like the measuring tape idea
and then you clearly point out the first 1260 days
where that starts where that ends 1335 days where that starts where that ends
the same with 2300 days you've got 1260 days of daniel 70th week
ending right before the millennium there
and then you have of course 1290 days which accounts for the second half
of this seven year period but i think what stands out to me
here not just the cool looking graphics but what i like about this
is the fact that you denote the abomination of desolation in
orange and then that line kind of leads up
to this top portion here where you can read more about it and then the rapture
the day of the lord slash the day of christ is in
red and that i think makes it obvious as to the difference
between those two events now when it comes to all these different
numbers and things like that because people are going to look at this and
again i think it takes some study right so
if you've never seen a chart like this before i don't blame you for
still being somewhat confused but when you look at a chart like this
brother mike and you're you're kind of putting this all together
are you doing it from scratch or is this something where you're taking
inspiration maybe from other charts that exist out there or did you just make
this completely from scratch
well this one no i i didn't i didn't totally make it from scratch
because i if you've seen pastor anderson's chart that he had
he showed it on his revelation series yeah so i kind of started with
that model where you have the sequence of events
all kind of stacked next to each other on the top
and then down below you have your timelines
that shows the timing of all all the events that
is known absolutely so i i did kind of model but um
i did go back and forth on a few different layouts
i can see i can see a little bit of that inspiration for sure
now regarding the actual tribulation and god's wrath and all these different
events that are going to happen before the millennium and certainly
before the rapture there's so much that needs to occur
there's so much that has not happened yet
and that's why it's so funny when these pre-tribbers talk about well the
return of christ is imminent it could happen before this sermon even ends it
could happen at any point in time and it's like yeah
second thessalonians chapter 2 makes it clear that we have to be
a certain milestones that come to pass first and i think this chart
illustrates that all the different pestilences and wars you have to have
the rise to the top of the new world order power structure by the antichrist
wars famines death martyrs appearing in heaven
courtesy of the destruction of the i should say the war on the saints
orchestrated by the antichrist through the mark of the beast and other means
but what i wanted to ask you is this just kind of looking at all the
different calamities and things that have to happen
in your mind what is the scariest part we'll start with the tribulation first
what would you say is kind of the scariest part about the tribulation
period the first three and a half years well i personally like to call so
i kind of break that up in two pieces really
you have the first part which i like to call the beginning of sorrow sorry yeah
the beginning of sorrow so because yeah there can be some confusion
as far as as that goes so so we'll so let's talk
about the beginning of sorrows and the great tribulation basically the
first three and a half years plus 75 days
okay gotcha so what would you say is the beginning like
fearful or or what kind of seems to be from the outside looking in
we haven't seen any of this happen yet but based on what the bible says what's
the scariest part about all this in your mind
well in the beginning of sorrows i probably say um
i don't think false christ is really that scary i mean wars world wars
you know the whole world is going to be a war so there's going to be a lot of
violence and death and then there's going to be the famines and pestilences
that's probably going to be pretty scary and
then all the death just the death that's going to occur
from from all the wars famines pestilences and
all the earthquakes that is going to happen
that's the fourth seal just so much death
and basically the the third third and the fourth seal
within within the beginning of sorrows to me is probably going to be the most
scary but that's going to be absolutely nothing
compared to when we see the abomination of
desolation and then that kicks off the grip that
what's what i call the great tribulation that's found in matthew 24 21
because the reason why that's the most scary
is because that's when the antichrist is going to wage war against
us the christians the saints see during the during the beginning of
sorrows he's just going he's just going for
everyone the whole world and that's you can see more detail about that in
revelation 12. um you know there the antichrist is
waging war against what's called the woman in
chapter 12 and there's many opinions about who the
woman is but if you just look if you just look it
says woe to the inhibitors of the earth and
the sea because the devil has come unto you of
having great wrath so he's waging war against all
inhibitors of the earth and all the inhibitors of the sea
so right there it answers your question about who the woman is really
so it's everyone but once the great tribulation happens
uh this is 1260 days into into daniel's 70th week and that's also
in revelation 12 6 about the 12 60 that's when he focuses
on us and that's when it's going to get really
scary that's when you know you're going to see
you're going to know for sure who the antichrist is
because he's going to set up that image in the temple
and then he and then the false prophet there's going to be some religious
figure that's going to come and cause cause people to make that
image and cause people to worship it and cause people to get a mark
the you know the infamous infamous mark of the beast you know
and and when you talk about the mark of the beast do you think this will end up
sort of being like an rfid chip or something else if you had to just
guess off the top of your head well the thing is about the the mark
he gives three options he says you can either have the mark
or you can have the name of the beast or you can have his number
but you know i think the mark is probably going to be
what you're saying some kind of rfid or some kind of
some kind of a transmitter that that will
connect to your phone or whatever that will
verify that you bought something or not and i think it's probably going to be
tied into some centralized cryptocurrency system too
probably yeah and i also agree with you about
the woman in revelation chapter 12 that i think she kind of just
represents mankind and what we see is that the devil will begin during the
beginning of sorrows with an attack on all of mankind but it's at the midpoint
where that attack shifts and becomes
a lot more specific to the saints christians
and that's when christian persecution reaches its climax
and is worse than it's ever been before and if i'm going to answer my own
question i would say really that fifth seal when that is
opened i think will be the scariest time that we ever experience if we live to
see that day because i believe it'll be a time in
which christians are going to be hunted down
and killed in the streets i believe that it's going to be a very
very difficult time for those who are saved
because we will be public enemy number one the bible says
and you shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake
and it talks about the love of many shall wax cold
and specifically when it comes to the great tribulation the bible talks about
it and says and then shall be great tribulations
such as was not since the beginning of the world to this
time no nor ever shall be so there's never been a time like it
before and that's because it'll be a time in which the anti-christ who is by
that point inhabited by the devil himself which is why he's called the son
of perdition is literally hunting down and
systematically eliminating christians and if it wasn't for the rapture no
flesh would be saved the bible says i mean jesus christ makes that clear that
this is going to be so severe so painful and so uh just
horrific for the saved that if it wasn't for the rapture
no one would be saved and what i mean by that is obviously saved from
the persecution of the anti-christ and getting killed but with regard to the
mark of the beast this will be the tool used to eliminate
christians because of course those who reject it
will be decapitated and i think you can go to revelation 20 to prove that
but if i'm going to answer my own question i would say that now
i wanted to very quickly here just provide people with
a basic outline of what's going on with your
chart so again we talked about it the very first
half the beginning of sorrows there which consists of the first four
seals the first four seals that are open the first one
is where the man of sin the anti-christ he goes forth conquering into conquer
the way i look at this is he's kind of rising to the top of the new world order
power structure and the second seal world war peace
taken from the earth wars breaking out all over the planet
then the third seal the black horse well that
is when they're going to be famines and pestilences and earthquakes on this
earth the fourth seal death a quarter of the
earth die and you can say courtesy of the wars
and the famines that preceded the fourth seal
that's the beginning of sorrows that's the devil attacking the entire world all
of mankind the fifth steel which starts at the
midpoint that's where martyrs appear in heaven
and they are killed by the anti-christ and they appear in
heaven and they beg god to begin to judge the earth and that's exactly what
he does the sixth seal if you compare it with
matthew 24 mark 13 and first thessalonians chapter 4 it's
clearly in reference to the rapture the sun and moon are darkened the stars
fall this is where the saved are raptured
it's the resurrection it's where we receive our glorified bodies
and then the seventh seal which happens on that same day
that's when god's wrath is poured out on this world and then
following that well this is where you get the trumpet and vial judgments
i'm not going to go through all of them for sake of time but you have the seven
trumpets you have the seven vials all culminating in
what i would say is the season finale if you want to call it that the finale of
god's wrath the three woes of revelation which
correspond with trumpet and vial five six
and seven and brother mike for me what kind of hit me is when i was
studying the three woes of revelation the finale of god's wrath and
specifically once you get to trump seven and vial seven the bible talks
about cities of the nations falling the bible
says the cities of the nations fell and that happens at the seventh
vial which i believe the trumpet and vial judgments are concurrent they
happen at the same time but mike what we're
looking at there when you get all the way to the end of
that seventh trumpet that seventh vial judgment
the climax of god's wrath the finale of god's wrath through those
three woes of revelation the cities of the nation
falling you're gonna see multiple 9 11s happening
all at the same time globally people and rightfully so they talk about 9 11
they say things like never forget and people talk about how
this was a historic day in america where the twin towers fell it was an
inside job of course but my point is you know this was a historic
event well 9 11 you're gonna have multiple 9
11s that happen all over the world at that seventh vial
and it's not only that a little bit yeah it comes to god's wrath
the terrifying nature of it so you're focusing on the the seventh
trumpet in the seventh vial that's right and yes there's there's
going to be an earthquake so great that
every building is gonna pancake on itself
really and then you got these big hailstones
and it talks about how much the hailstones weigh and i did a calculation
based on the density of of ice and of packed snow
and basically those hailstones are going to be about
this big around can you imagine those hailstones falling on cars falling on
buildings and just leveling everything
and you don't want to be under one of those hailstones you know those will
flatten you that's right but basically that's
trumpet number seven that's when god turns his wrath
on all the nations of the world he's he's leveling all the nations and
then he then he has his special
judgment on babylon and then of course you have armageddon
where he fights against the anti-christ and the anti-christ nation so you bring
up babylon the destruction of babylon and one thing that kind of confused me
at first when i was studying this subject is i
didn't understand why the second half was 1290 days
and in the first half was 1260 days and i thought well where are the extra 30
days coming from and there's really two reasons for this
the first one is that there's elite month at the very end of
this seven year period because that's just how the hebrew
calendar works but you brought up the destruction of babylon and you brought
up armageddon but babylon is judged it's destroyed in
one hour then you had armageddon then you have
the millennium technically speaking though it's at that
seventh trumpet where the bible says the kingdoms of the
world have become the kingdoms of uh our lord and of and of christ but
here's my point though that final 30 days right
you look at that final 30 days and the bible says that the two witnesses by the
way we see it on your chart let me pull this up
very quickly so we're looking at your chart again and the two witnesses
prophesy the ministry of the two witnesses
last for according to revelation chapter 11 and verse 3 1260 days
now it starts at the midpoint it goes through to the end but that second half
is actually a 1290 day period there's a leap month added but that
means that there's a 30 day section where several different events
have to occur and i believe i want to get your thoughts on this
it's during that last month that last 30 day period
where you have not only the the seventh trumpet sounding but you also have the
destruction of babylon and you have the battle of armageddon
occurring in that final month before
the millennium is actually set up on the earth
and i believe according to your chart that's exactly what you indicate here
and you talk about 30 days at the bottom right
hand corner of the screen an extra 1.4 percent
so do you agree with me on that that that's kind of when
babylon is destroyed and an armageddon takes place
yes absolutely um jesus doesn't need 1260 days to do all that he only needs
well he could do it he could do everything at the snap of the finger but
he's doing this because it's it's basically the leap month it's the
it's the additional 30 days that uh all these nations falling babylon
and the the beast the kingdom of the beast and
all the other nations of this world he's he's coming back
to this earth he actually comes back uh armageddon steps foot on the earth and
reclaims all the nations and then basically he hands out all the
power he gives all all of his servants all of
all the saints um in charge of all the nations and all
of the cities for themselves and that's going to be
awesome and that's that's that we're going to rule and reign with him for a
thousand years of course he'll be in charge of us
yeah it'll be a great time obviously that'll be when
the laws of god are finally enacted on this earth and we're going to have
the lord jesus christ ruling and reigning but one other thing
i wanted to bring up as well and this is out of daniel chapter number
eight and i'll start reading in verse 13 where
the bible said then i heard one saint speaking and
another saint said unto that certain saint which spake
how long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice and the
transgression of desolation to give both the sanctuary and the host
to be trodden underfoot and he said unto me unto two thousand and three
hundred days then shall the sanctuary be cleansed
and that two thousand three hundred day period
is denoted on your chart here which concerns the beginning of the
daily sacrifice all the way to the end moving past
through the abomination of desolation but what's interesting is we often say
that we will know for sure that we're in the
tribulation period for a hundred percent sure
once we see the abomination of desolation set up
in the rebuilt temple in jerusalem and what i mean by that for those of you who
are new is the antichrist will literally set up
an image in the temple and declare himself to be god only those
who worship that image will then be able to procure the mark of
the beast and buy or sell but here's what's interesting about
that is technically speaking the bible says
that daily sacrifices will begin in the temple in jerusalem
250 days into daniel's 70th week and we find that out by doing some math i don't
want to get into it right now but i talked about it last night after
church with a friend of mine but uh mike technically speaking
if we know when the daily sacrifice begins
if they make some kind of public announcement the daily sacrifice has
begun then technically we would know all right
we're actually in the tribulation and we're
or i guess the beginning of sorrows excuse me we would know we're in the
beginning of sorrows no problem and that we're 250 days into it
what do you think about that well that would be a pretty strong
indicator i wouldn't say it'd be a for sure thing
because they could build the temple they could start a sacrifice and then
for some other reason they call it off and then later on they they started
again you know that's how do we know if if that's if
that's the exact one you know there's only one sign
that that we can know for absolute sure and that's the
abomination of desolation um and i think second thessalonians too
kind of lays that out um but like i said it's a very strong
indicator you know if we're in world war and they
start a daily sacrifice in a rebuilt temple in jerusalem
i would probably i'd probably put money down and say
we're in it but i wouldn't know for sure you know
yeah i don't think we can be 100 sure until the abomination of desolation
takes place and we keep referencing this so i'll
just read it for the listeners out there second thessalonians chapter two it says
that we beseech you brethren by the coming of our lord jesus christ and by
our gathering together unto him that you be not soon shaken in mind or
be troubled neither by spirit nor by word
nor by letter as from us as that the day of christ is at hand so he's like hey
you pre-trippers out there you know don't you're wrong and in fact
don't listen to these people that say the day of christ is at hand
because certain things have to happen verse three let no man deceive you by any
means for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first
and that man of sin be revealed the son of perdition
who opposeth and exalted himself above all that is called god out of his
worship so that he as god sitteth in the temple
of god showing himself that he is god and that happens at the midpoint so
this is a great chart we could talk about this forever let's move on
to the next chart that you had on your website
and this one deals with the kingdoms of the world
symbolism kingdoms of the world symbolism chart and you have
several different kingdoms that are illustrated
in this chart the first one deals with the kingdoms that are
represented by Nebuchadnezzar's dream the great image
the statue that he dreams about and you can read about that in daniel
chapter number two and these different the
different sections of the statue represent different
excuse me they represent different kingdoms the head of gold
representing the babylonian empire the chest and arms of silver representing
the medo-persian empire the sort of dual kingdom the belly
and thighs of brass being symbolic of the greek empire
and then the legs of iron pointing us to most likely rome and
probably a dual fulfillment there perhaps involving
babylon usa and then the toes the ten toes being representative of the
anti-christ kingdom which he establishes
later on at the midpoint of daniel 70th week but then you also have on this
chart the four beasts of daniel chapter number
seven the lion with eagle's wings
representing babylon the bear which is symbolic of the medo-persian
empire the four-headed leopard being a symbol
of the greek empire which ended up splitting into four separate kingdoms
and out of those four kingdoms you had one
individual who was a very strong foreshadowing of the anti-christ by the
name of antiakis epiphanies and then you had the
fourth dreadful beast which had
ten horns and this during daniel's time and i guess you could say the
initial fulfillment of this would have been the roman empire
which happened later on it was a sort of a near future application for daniel
but of course also pointing us to the anti-christ's kingdom and then you have
the revelation 17 symbology there the seven mountains on
which the great whore of babylon sits and what those represent the first one
being egypt the second is syria the third babylon the fourth
medo-persian empire the fifth grisia or the greek empire the sixth being rome
and then the seventh kingdom or king actually
being in reference to the united states or babylon
mystery babylon and then the eighth being sort of a
anti-christ new world order which is being led by
a religious figure the anti-christ as a religious figure who had
risen from the dead quote unquote by some sort of satanic
event and you have that on the chart as well so i just wanted to give people a
quick background on this but regarding this particular chart
obviously you refer to the beast and daniel i wanted to talk about that
actually let's start off with the with the statue right here
and when you look at this statue specifically when it comes to the ten
toes of the statue and we see them illustrated in the top
right hand corner of the screen these toes are mixed in with miry clay
i'm not sure if you've thought about this before i'm putting you on the spot
i didn't i didn't tell you i was gonna ask this but i figured let me see what
you think what does the clay represent so you
have the toes and you have the clay there
as part of the statue that buchanan's dream
what if you had to guess just totally off top of your head what do you think
have you ever thought about this what what does the clay represent there
well it says that the clay um it's part of iron and part of clay
you know so the kingdom will be partially strong and partially broken
yes let me read that on the end sorry i'm sorry to interrupt let me go ahead
and read that scripture very quickly and then i'll let you
continue your point just for people to understand what we're talking about
daniel chapter 2 what brother mike just referenced there verse 41
and whereas thou sawest the feet and toes part of potter's clay and part of
iron the kingdom shall be divided but there
shall be in it of the strength of the iron for as much as thou sawest the iron
mixed with miry clay and as the toes of the feet were part of
iron and part of clay so the kingdom shall be partly strong
and partly broken go ahead i just wanted to make sure
people knew what we were referring to the toes
daniel 2 daniel 2 42 i think um basically i think what that means
is you know you got some strong some broken
you got 10 toes and then you got the 10 horns
in the daniel 7 and that's also in uh revelation as well i believe um
basically what that is is these are different nations
and i think at first they're going to have opposing views differing opinions
but that's not until the anti-christ comes the anti-christ comes seduce three
kings and reinstates three more and all of
them are in one accord with one another from that point on so i think i think
what the what the uh iron and the miry clay is is
just the fact saying it's saying that they're different
nations some are strong nations some are not so strong nations
that's exactly my view as well it's just a theory but i would say probably
you have some nations that are very strong and some that are weak
the weaker nations being represented by the clay
and they're mixed in but not really and and i think
what that's trying to say basically they cleave one to another it talks about
even as iron is not mixed with clay so they're not they actually don't mix
with each other but i think what it's trying to explain
is that even though there is a planetary government
and that's what this kingdom essentially is there's a new world order
that the different nations still retained their identity
their national identity yes like you could still look at somebody and go okay
that's a mexican or that's a that's a japanese person or that's a
south korean whatever i think yeah we're still gonna have
we're still gonna have all the nations even all the way into
the anti-christ kingdom because it still says in revelation
all over the place nations languages tongues
and so on and so forth it's just that there's going to be a
structure that rules those nations the anti-christ will rule those nations
uh at that time right now we have like the un
that's kind of in place and they have i think
they still have five permanent uh security generals or something like
that so there's only five horns at the time
if you're going off of what what the un has
right and the bible does talk about when it comes to the anti-christ it says that
all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him whose names are not written
in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of
the world and so you're right in the sense that
there's going to be the anti-christ will rule over multiple different nations
and they do retain their identity and i think that's what it means when it says
and as the toes of the feet were part of iron and part of clay
so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly broken
talking about some nations are strong some are weak but then
in the latter portion of verse 43 in daniel chapter 2
when it says the iron is not mixed with clay
that's where i believe it's just talking about how
the weaker nations will retain and the stronger nations that will change they
will retain their national identity but i thought i'd get your thoughts on that
now when it comes to the beasts in daniel 7
and i had a theory about this i wanted to run by you
here on the air but you have the lion the bear the leopard the ten
horned beast all in daniel chapter 7 i talked about
what they are symbolic of but then when you flip
over to revelation chapter 13 which i will do myself just to
demonstrate my point in revelation chapter 13 the bible says and
starting in verse 1 and i stood upon the sand of the sea
and saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven heads and ten horns and
upon his horns ten crowns and upon his heads the name of blasphemy so we have a
beast coming out of the sea and then verse 2 it says in the beast
which i saw was like unto a leopard so we see the leopard is mentioned here
the leopard was also found in daniel chapter 7
his feet were as the feet of a bear also mentioned in daniel 7
his mouth is the mouth of a lion which was also
mentioned in daniel chapter number 7 and then it says in the dragon
gave him his power and his seed and great authority so this is my
question you see a beast with seven heads ten
horns the same attributes as the one that isn't
is found in in daniel chapter 7 when it comes to the
ten horned beast in daniel chapter 7 so what i'm trying to say is
the four beasts in daniel 7 we see in the
one singular beast in revelation 13 i don't believe that's coincidental
the anti-christ kingdom okay what i'm trying to say
is as powerful this is my theory that it's going to be as powerful
as the babylonian empire the medo-persian empire
the greek empire and the roman empire combined
because those four beasts in daniel 7 appear
in the one revelation 13 beast what's that communicating to us that the
anti-christ system the anti-christ kingdom will be as powerful
as those four prior global empires combined that's my whole core put
together exactly yeah and if you look at my chart
and you look at the the um the beast that i
kind of put together there that i depicted it's it's the one on the
right bottom if you look at the lion so you have the head of a lion the
mouth of the lion right so i have seven lion heads there right
and then i have the body of a leopard and basically the the lion is from the
third kingdom revelation 17 7 says that this beast
this scarlet colored beast is of the seven
right yes so the 10 horns are from the seventh kingdom uh the kingdom of rome
no i'm sorry so it's the seventh kingdom babylon
and the lion is from the third kingdom which is babylon
the body which is of the leopard is from the fifth kingdom
which is grisia and the bear is from the fourth kingdom which is
medio-persia and it's interesting that he chose the body
being from the leopard because where did the first big illustration
of the anti-christ rise from it rises from the kingdom of grisia
which is the leopard that's a good point
that's a really good point i had never thought of that before
and you look at are you kind of referencing entychus epiphanies or
somebody else entychus epiphanies yes he was the he
was the little horn that came from the
that arose from the four little horns and that name meets god manifest
yes it does further proof that we're talking from
daniel chapter 8 yes daniel chapter 8 and chapter 11
deal with the kingdom of grisia the greek empire
which split into four different kingdoms and out of one of them came
entychus epiphanies it was a very strong foreshadowing of the anti-christ and
history and sort of a historical shadow
fulfillment if you will i like to use the phrase layered
fulfillment and i think whatever you want to use is
fine but you know there are different sort of shadow fulfillments or layered
fulfillments that have occurred throughout history
all leading us to really the end times and that's what
ultimately the bible points us to through those different passages but
that's a really cool point i never thought of before
now when it comes to the seven mountains in revelation chapter 17
the bible kind of refers to them as seven
kings as well which obviously a king is leading a kingdom but
these are according to this chart i agree 100 with this
egypt a syria babylon middle media and persia
grisia the sixth kingdom which is at that point
as john the revelator is writing that would be rome
then the one that is to come later is the united i think the united states i
personally believe that mystery babylon is the united states
and yeah basically if go ahead if this happens soon
if this happens within the next few years or
10 years 20 years it's probably babylon usa
um but if if this ain't gonna happen for
you know the daniel 70th week if this is like another 100 years which i doubt
and some other kingdom kind of rises to world power
and is like a nation or city that is a coastal city where all the ships can
uh you know ship their goods to this city and
there they live deliciously and the queen and
and no one messes with them they're the strongest in the world then i would
probably change my chart and say that that is
what it is if i'm still alive around that time
right well revelation 17 it says and here's the mind which hath wisdom the
seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth and there are seven
kings five are fallen and one is
and the other is not yet come and when he cometh he must continue a short
space so in my mind the the reason why it says
he must continue a short space is because this is in reference to
the anti-christ as a political figure which doesn't last very long then verse
11 and the beast that was and is not even he is the
eighth and is of the seven and go with the
perdition so this is the anti-christ as a
false messiah figure when he comes back from the dead
leading a super global plutocracy that ends up nuking babylon
towards the end of daniel's 70th week and basically just wipes it out but he's
of the seven right he's of that seventh one because
it's the anti-christ coming back from the dead after he receives a deadly wound
to the head what do you think about that
yeah absolutely and like you said even when we're in daniel's 70th week
there's the first three and a half years where you had he's only a political
figure you know he's probably going to be
prominent we'll probably see a very charismatic political leader
at that time but it's not until he receives that
deadly wound and rises from the dead basically imitating what jesus what
happened with jesus except jesus was crucified but he'll
receive a deadly wound he'll raise from the dead and he'll set
up that image in the temple and call himself god and then that's when he
turns to being a religious leader
well and a political leader too but you know
what caught my eye what i like about your chart is well here on the
right hand side it says in orange this little horn who is the beast
will arise and subdue three kings and you reference daniel 7 24
most likely during the fourth seal of revelation
six seven and eight since there is death in a quarter of the earth and will come
to full power in the midst of daniel 70th week
he will reinstate three new kings and have power over all ten
so this is sort of an interesting thought here because
obviously the beast has seven heads and it has ten horns
now the seven heads represent seven mountains on which the horse sits the
whore of babylon and we know what those seven mountains
are symbolic of i already went over it egypt
a syria babylon medo persia greek rome and then the seventh one being mystery
babylon or i guess the united states of america is what we are surmising here in
2023 but those 10 horns those 10 kings
they exist and you you can correct me if i'm wrong here but they
exist before the midpoint these 10 kings and what happens is at
some point before the midpoint and it looks like you're guessing or
your theory here is that it actually happens
at the fourth seal when a quarter of the earth you know dies
but basically three kings are subdued and then it's at the midpoint in which
those three kings that were subdued are actually replaced
by three other ones and then those 10 kings basically give up their power to
the anti-christ and it's the anti-christ who uses them to
destroy babylon but what do you say to that
yes um again that's that's a theory of mine um that some
sometime right before he receives his deadly wound
right before the anti-christ dies uh he's i think that's when he's going to
subdue those three kings and and that's that's why i was
mentioning earlier that you know you got the iron and the
clay mixed together you know they don't all agree but it's
not until he proves himself to these people
that he's god that all of them say okay i'm giving you all the power
we're all in one accord right now and uh and that's that's why he has
the crowns if you can look at the image again
of the beast that i created he has those little crowns on the horns
you notice how they're on the horns after
the midpoint before the midpoint they're on the heads
okay so this this this beast you made this
yeah i mean i i took some images and put them together
they're actually bare feet they're it's actually a leopard's body and lion's
heads wow so all the images i put together
based on anything i find in the bible really
so the first the first one with you just mentioned the crowns say that one more
time for me okay so you notice when you're
read revelation 12 there's the dragon right the dragon has
seven heads and 10 horns but there's only seven
crowns and the seven crowns are on the heads
wow if you pay special attention to what how they describe the beast in
revelation 13 versus the dragon in revelation 12 you'll see these subtle
differences well they're there for a reason then
you have revelation 13 beasts the crowns are
actually on the horns
that makes so much sense so basically the revelation 13 beast
it has some it's symbolic of the 10 kings that
include the three that were replaced or the three new kids that replaced the
ones that were subdued if that makes sense yeah
whereas revelation 12 that has the that only has seven crowns
and it's missing three seven crowns on the heads
and that's the basically just trying to explain that there are going to be three
kings that are subdued that's basically what it's symbolic of
is that is it kind of what you mean yeah yeah
and basically the the um all the different kingdoms
that are there it's just all those kingdoms are like ruling in the end times
and and during daniel's 70th week and like you said you take you take uh
the strength of of babylon the speed of grisia everything
the dreadfulness of rome you take all those
and lump them together you have the end times
kingdom of the beast
well i have to admit brother mike i my head is blown
my mind is blown i should say uh that is a really cool
thought i never thought about that in revelation chapter 12
it says in verse 3 and there appeared another wonder in heaven behold a great
red dragon having seven heads and ten horns and seven
crowns upon his head so in revelation 12
the dragon has crowns on the seven heads the seven heads have
seven crowns on them and then in revelation 13 the beast has
10 crowns on the 10 horns yes and then daniel 7 describes
10 kings but three are subdued and then you know obviously you could say
that the seven crowns on the on the seven heads
is kind of a result of those three kings being subdued
and then obviously you know later on those three are replaced
and we see them in revelation 13 as 10 kings
the three that were subdued are totally replaced by that point
so that is pretty cool stuff i'm sure that's probably getting it maybe
over the head of some folks that are listening but if you slow down and you
really think about it that is a really interesting
point there that you make brother mike i had never thought of that before
so thank you for pointing that out but one thing i want to say
it's pretty cool it is pretty cool and one thing i wanted to say when it comes
to these seven mountains here is you point out on your chart the first
one pointing to egypt and you kind of bring
up ezekiel 31 there and reading ezekiel 31
it's a condemnation of egypt but it compares egypt with asyria
and in verse 13 it says upon his ruin shall all the fowls of the heaven remain
and i think that's actually a foreshadowing of the marriage supper of
the lamb there and when you read about the king of
asyria and certainly pharaoh they are
almost pictures of the antichrist and so what i wanted to say is
when it comes to each one of those seven kings
all of them egypt asyria babylon through neba kineser the medo-persian
empire the greek empire rome with
titus and then the seventh kingdom obviously
being the antichrist himself but my point is is that
when you look at all those historical empires each one of them had
a very clear picture of the antichrist from
alexander the great to titus pharaoh i mean all of these men represented
the antichrist in some way
yes but the big the big one was anti-ecos epiphanies
well when your name literally means god manifest i think that's a pretty
yeah that's a pretty and that happened that happened in the midst of
the 70 weeks yes yeah which daniel chapter 9 talks about let's move on here
i'm already over time i apologize i'll let you go soon
uh i'm fine yeah you can keep me as long as you need me
okay great so i don't feel too strapped for time but
um i wanted to talk about that so you just did a perfect segue for me because
the next chart i wanted to go over is your
70 weeks of daniel chart and this one kind of
looks at it from a big picture perspective
and specifically looking at daniel chapter 9
verses 24 through 27 which i will read for the audience now
daniel chapter 9 verses 24 through 27 the bible reads there
70 weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city to finish the
transgression and to make an end of sins and to make
reconciliation for iniquity and to bring in everlasting righteousness
and to seal up the vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy now or
should say know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the
commandment to restore and to build jerusalem under the messiah the prince
shall be seven weeks and three score and two weeks the street shall be built
again and the wall even in trouble as times
and after three score and two weeks shall messiah be cut off
but not for himself and the people the prince that shall come shall destroy the
city of the sanctuary and the end thereof shall be with a flood
and under the end of the war desolations are determined
and he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week this is the 70th week
that we've been talking about throughout the whole stream
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the ablation to
cease and for the overspreading of
abominations he shall make it desolate even until the consummation and that
determined shall be poured upon the desolate so it's really that period
the seven weeks the 62 weeks there's a gap
and then a period of seven years now looking at your chart
here brother mike i notice and maybe you can help me understand
let's look at number two there it says jerusalem rebuilt
this is is that the cyrus declaration to rebuild jerusalem is that kind of
what this is supposed to be pointing us to
there jerusalem rebuilt some people may believe that you know i
i think i i used to believe that before that uh
i'm looking at item number one from the going forth of the commandment to
restore and to build jerusalem i used to think that was siren the
decree from cyrus but after really looking at what it says
and also looking at the dates that these things
happened i don't believe that anymore at all i i believe that this was the
decree of artaxerxes to rebuild jerusalem because the decree of
cyrus was to build the temple but number two it says
the street shall be built again and the wall so it's the streets in the wall and
it also says going forth with the commandment to
restore and to build jerusalem so this is the whole city
that that it's talking about gotcha so i personally believe you know other
others can believe that it's cyrus that's fine
i personally believe that this is talking about the decree of artaxerxes
artaxerxes that's in ezra that's in ezra seven
as richard all right gotcha and then you have jerusalem rebuilt their
sort of in between that seven week and 62 week period
yes now so yeah go ahead so
others may believe that this is broken up and there's a gap between the seven
i was going to ask about that so i've heard that there's a gap between the
seven week and 62 weeks give me your perspective
i personally believe that there's not a gap and the reason i believe that
is because let's focus on the seven weeks first
so seven so there's seven weeks um know therefore and understand that
from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build jerusalem on to
the messiah the prince shall be seven weeks plus and three
score and two weeks and then it says the streets shall be
built again and the wall even in troubleless times so
i believe number two is the ending point of the seven weeks
the street shall be built again and the wall so the rebuilding
is the ending point of that seven weeks so if there is a gap between the seven
weeks and the 62 weeks what is the point in this text that is
saying kicks off the 62 weeks
i don't know that's a good question yeah there's there's no
starting point of the 62 weeks if we say the ending of the seven weeks is when
the streets are built again and the wall so i believe what that's saying
is that there's seven weeks of a rebuilding period and then once
the city is rebuilt then you have from that point on
62 weeks till messiah the prince if you want to put a gap in there i'm
calling the 62 weeks the gap i guess all right so you basically have
that seven week or 49 year period where
jerusalem is kind of in a rebuilding state
and then it's totally finished after that seven week period or the 49 years
and then between jerusalem being rebuilt to calvary
is a period of 434 years do i have that right
well 434 years from the beginning of the ministry of jesus so it's
62 weeks three score and two weeks unto the messiah the prince gotcha
okay and then you have about three and a half years till the crucifixion because
it says and after doesn't say immediately
after three score and two weeks shall messiah be cut off you're right
that that's my mistake you're right yeah after three score and two weeks
that's when calvary occurs that's when he dies on the cross
so to the ministry of christ is a 434 year period from
the rebuilding of jerusalem all the way to the ministry of christ is 434 years
yeah and then it says and then of course after that it says that the people of
the prince shall come and destroy the city in the sanctuary that's also
after the 434 years
but it's not immediately after
yeah absolutely now some people look at this and they say well this is
talking about jesus there the people of the prince that shall come
when it describes that let me just read the verse right here in daniel chapter
nine and verse uh where we at here verse number
26 it says and the people the prince that
shall come shall destroy the city the sanctuary there end up shall be with a
flood and under the end of the war desolate
is our determinant he shall confirm the covenant with many
for one week now verse 27 specifically the he there in verse 27
some people say is talking about jesus whereas i believe it's talking about the
anti-christ and the antecedent of the pronoun there
the he is actually in reference to the prince
that shall come and the prince there being the anti-christ so he
is the anti-christ in verse 27 he confirms a covenant with many for one
week that's the seven-year period of daniel
70th week in the midst of the week he causes the sacrifice to cease
through the abomination of desolation when the daily sacrifice
ceases the daily sacrifice we talked about earlier that starts 250 days into
the seven years so that ceases that done
he sets up the abomination of desolation and you have the rest of it so
i think that's talking about the anti-christ there in verse 27 but there
are some who say it's talking about jesus what do you
think about that perspective and kind of the argument
about verse 27 that is out there i think that's a
foolish view really that there's they're saying that
that's jesus because jesus doesn't he doesn't commit
the abomination of desolation which talks about uh for the overspreading
of abominations he shall make it desolate
it's not jesus that's doing that and it says the people of the prince
that shall come shall destroy the city in the sanctuary
your antecedent is the prince that shall come
it's the people of the prince that destroyed jerusalem in the temple
well who who are the people of the prince who are the people of g
let's let's say that that's jesus who are the people of jesus
it's not the it's not the jews it's not the pharisees it's not those it's
christians christians didn't destroy jerusalem in the temple
that's stupid you know i don't believe that for a second
i agree 100 yeah and it said if you read if you read
daniel seven and daniel eight it's the little horn that
causes that basically by him the daily sacrifice is taken away
and the place of the sanctuary is cast down
and you can read about the little horn you know for sake of time i won't really
go into that but basically it talks about the little horn
being the anti-christ it's the anti-christ
that commits the abomination of desolation
and i think it's these pre i think it's these preterists that come up with that
with that view about it being jesus and they say
these preterists piss me off sometimes they say that these 70 weeks all happen
together without any gap at all basically they're saying that hey these
70 weeks are are jesus we're focused on jesus it's all
about jesus it's all about jesus right that's what they say
but if you start with the text 70 weeks are determined
upon thy people and upon thy holy city so what's it about
is it about jesus no it's about the about his people and the holy city
right and i think a lot of people too they look at this passage these
preterists and they want to say well this has nothing to do the anti-christ is
all jesus and then it just leads to some very weird views
like i've heard them say we're actually in the fifth seal right
now and and so at that point they've kind of
come full circle with the pre-trippers out there who believe in immanency
pre-trippers believe the rapture could happen at any point in time
because they believe it happens before the tribulation and then some of these
preterists out there who believe that we're in the fifth seal
well they also believe that the rapture could happen at any time because
according to them we're in the fifth seal so
you know what's the next event to happen the sixth seal which is
the rapture so i agree i think when you get goofed up on daniel chapter 9 it
leads down a very weird path and and i certainly
don't believe in this idea that it's talking about
jesus and and i also think it it messes up
basically what the captivity even symbolizes because
you have 70 years of captivity for judah and then they're released
and they come back into the land well think about that
how that's a great parallel with the end times because
in daniel chapter 9 it talks about the 70th week of daniel
it talks about how the you know basically
the people the prince that shall come are going to end up leaving this
desolate talks about the abomination of desolation
and all the rest of it the ender up shall be with the flood etc but my point
is is that the events of the end times are kind of
paralleled with the captivity of judah because at the
end of daniel's 70th week what do you have christians going
back to the land that was promised to abraham and his seed
christians jew or gentile doesn't matter those who are in christ
they set up christ's kingdom we all rule and reign
all over the world but obviously you know you have jesus christ and the 12
tribes in jerusalem again and babylon gets
destroyed and a new kingdom comes amen yeah exactly right so you have the
captivity ending with basically the jews going
back to their land and then you have the end of daniel's
70th week you know the culmination of that is
christians going to jerusalem and jesus christ
setting up his kingdom from jerusalem so
there's kind of a parallel there that gets all screwed up when you want to say
that daniel nine is talking about jesus yeah yeah i'm not going to entertain that
thought anymore it's just it's a stupid thought well thank you for
sharing this chart here i really like this let's move on to the
next one that i wanted to talk about and the next one i have on my list
are the four shadowings this one is so awesome and the reason why is because
the bible is so deep and there are so many cool foreshadowings
of the post-trib pre-wrath rapture and i'm
careful to say that because these aren't just pictures of the rapture
but we're actually looking at foreshadowings of the
post-trib pre-wrath rapture yes and some of the ones that you have laid out on
your chart you have the feast of the lord now this
one specifically when i studied the feast of the lord and how they're
perfectly paralleled with the timing of the rapture
i literally fell out of my chair like i i was just
in shock and how cool this is and how the feast of trumpets is in perfect
alignment with the abomination of desolation and then
the day of atonement when it falls during the
year of jubilee pictures the rapture
because of the trumpet of the jubilee that sounds on the day of atonement the
10th day of the seventh month which corresponds to 53 of the hebrew
calendar year which is exactly when the rapture happens
53 into daniel's 70th week really cool stuff
you also have on this chart the 70 weeks of daniel i'll ask you about that in a
second you have the generations of adam
enos to the flood now this one is also really cool
when you look at the life of enoch from his birth
to the flood he's translated he's taken out he's translated carried to
heaven right 53 into that time period from his
birth to the flood which also corresponds to the rapture
and then you brought this up earlier but the
release of jehoiachin from prison in jeremiah chapter 52 the 37th year of
his captivity when he's released and given a change of garments which points
to the glorified body the change of
garments that we receive that happens 53 into the 70 years of
judah's captivity and then the sea of galilee when jesus walked on
water and how basically you know 53
into that journey when the when jesus meets the disciples as he walks on water
they kind of spawn over to the other side of the sea of galilee there
but it'd be awesome to be there to witness
that that would have certainly been awesome to experience looking at all
these foreshadowings which one do you like the best
well i like i like um well before i like the generations of
adam enos to the flood and the reason is because
that is so much more of a coincidence apparent coincidence
than any of the others the reason is is because
from enos the taiwan men began to call upon the name of the lord
all the way to the flood is 1421 years
and it hits the mark perfectly at the 752nd year
the calendar year the the feast of the lord
you only have 360 days it's still a big coincidence mind you but we're talking
with the with enos we're talking for 1421 years
well i recently just a couple weeks ago found even a bigger coincidence than
that one yes and i want to get to that i know you
have brought that up you had brought that up
and we're going to reveal your new foreshadowing i think
i think that's my new favorite one okay let's get to that in one second but
before we do because i'm geeking out right now all
right how did you figure out the time from the
birth of enoch when men began to call him the name of
the lord to the flood that it's 1421 years
how does somebody calculate that on their own if they want to
okay well first of all i'll issue the following warning
what you're about to see contains some math which viewers may find disturbing
and offensive your discretion is advised okay so
first of all do you want me to show this here
first so basically this is in reference to daniel 12 12
daniel 12 12 says blessed is he that waited and cometh
to the thousand three hundred five and thirty days
and then it says go thy way daniel for thou shalt
rest and stand in thy lot at the end of the days
so this 1335 days is when i submit that the rapture happens
into daniel's 70th week i agree so if you take those seven years of
30 day months which is two thousand five hundred and
twenty days you take 1335 and divide that by
by uh 2250 you get point point five two nine eight you round that
up to 53 so essentially the rapture happens
53 into daniel's 70th week yes
and so the one that i'm referring the the illustration we're referring to is
the period of time in genesis where
you have the birth of enos which is the time when men began to call upon the
name of the lord that's in that is a very random statement
in genesis and i always wondered why is that there
well i found a lot of reasons why that's there just
just by looking at my charts and developing them and one of them is right
here so from the time men began to call upon
the name of the lord to when enos got translated it's 572
years you can add these numbers up from the
generations um if you go to my chart
uh exact age of the earth
really quick i'm gonna go there myself
okay let me go there myself here the exact age of the earth all right
the true age of the earth and what year did you produce this true age of the
earth chart just out of curiosity
well my current version is uh april 24 2023 so recently but
i think um i started this chart maybe about
two to three years ago and you know what sermon got me inspired
to do that one you take a guess pastor anderson's sermon on the age of
the earth yeah there you go so you have to kind of
go to every year i'm guessing right 6378 next year
yeah so i these charts are living so they get it updated constantly
so we're at the true age of the earth i have it pulled up on the screen okay
now as far as this goes here can you still
see me okay uh let me take so the chart off so i can see you all right go for it
okay so we have to add up the years from the time of enos all the way up
to the time of enoch so you have 90 years
you know enos lived 90 years remember we got to start at the birth of enos
because that's the time when men began to call upon the name of the lord
yes so enos lived 90 years and begat kainan that's in genesis 5 9
kianan lived 70 years and begat mahalel which is in verse 12 of chapter 5
mahalel lived 65 years and begat jared that's in verse 15
then jared lived 162 years and begat enoch that's in genesis 5 18
and then it says that enoch lived 365 years
he walked with god and was not because god took him
so you add the 365 years to these you get to 725 years
if you go through that same exercise so 752 what did i say but you said 25
it's okay don't worry i got you oh i'm so i'm reading it like this yeah
i can understand why i can understand you're good
okay so if you do that same exercise you start from the time men began to call
upon the name of the lord all the way to the flood
and do the same exercise and add all these numbers up
you come to 1421 years so worse i'm saying that
the time that enoch got caught up is 53 percent into this time period
between men began men began to call upon the name of
the lord to the flood and you take 725
or 752 divided by 1421 you end up with 0.5
0.5292 round that up to 53 percent now is that not the exact same number
you get the other way when you do it for the
timing of the rapture and daniel's 70th week don't get that exact same number
not exactly but but you still run it's almost exact let me see here
let's compare
so timing of the rapture is 0.5298 and this one here is 0.5292 now i notice
with all of these it's it's a tiny bit less just a little
bit less because if you exceed this number you
end up in the 1336th day or beyond
i see and i notice that all of them are a little bit less
so that's that's the reason why i believe
yeah which makes sense but it's just it's the same thing essentially so that
that is a really cool one now when you look at the um the time
from men calling on the name of the lord to
the flood that second column there 1421 you're you're deriving that number
essentially by a genealogy that is found in genesis
chapter five yeah genesis chapter five all right but then the the the one about
noah being 600 years old at the flood you have to pull that from genesis
chapter seven verse six i gotcha okay so we come we come to the
birth yeah so we have to make an unbroken chain
from enos to the flood methuselah gave birth to noah
or i'm sorry lamac gave birth to noah when he was 182 years old
so we go from the birth from there we go from the birth of noah to the flood that
gives us 600 years
and there it is 1421 and it is a picture perfect foreshadowing of the post
tribulation pre-wrath rapture wow that is cool stuff and yeah it does
require see that's that i think is probably one of the more difficult ones
for me just because it requires so much math i mean all of them do but that one
specifically doesn't have a clean just like
it's 1441 days or something like you kind of have to add it up yourself
whereas kind of with the feast days it's a little bit
easier i think but let's kind of look at your chart one more time here
before we get into the one that you had just discovered
let me pull up your foreshadowing chart again
for the people to see for themselves and so yeah essentially these are just
pictures of the post tribulation pre-wrath
rapture the sea of galilee one is very interesting jesus walks on water meets
the disciples just over halfway through their journey
and then they spawn to the other side of the sea of galilee
and then the johuikins captivity went over that
enos to the flood we just talked about 1421
year period and well he's quote-unquote raptured out of here 53
into that 53 into that as brother mike just demonstrated for you on
camera what is this 70 exact to the day too
what is what to explain this one here what what is this doing
on your chart the 70 weeks of daniel 490 year
period here what what is this talking about
let me run over there see where this is okay so 70 weeks of daniel yeah it says
70 weeks of daniel you have the rebuilding
complete 10 into it this is another foreshadowing of
the rapture sort of or what kind of are you chose the point of making with this
no this this one this one doesn't have any illustrations of the rapture
or the abomination of desolation but what i found interesting about the 70
weeks of daniel is 10 of the way in
you have the rebuilding of jerusalem and in the city basically complete
that if you go to daniel's 70th week chart
that like you said sacrifice that corresponds to when the sacrifice
the daily sacrifice begins okay so that's kind of why you had it in
there gotcha and if you ask if you ask any uh jewish person you know why ain't
they doing the sacrifices they'll say because we don't have a
temple yet so maybe that's the point when the temple will be
rebuilt is 10 into daniel's 70th week but one one other interesting thing is
um so you you have you know how the i break up the 70 weeks of daniel
the first 69 weeks and then you have a big gap before you have the
70th week that's right i believe that's a picture of the leap year or the leap
month i should say because if you take if you take that
one week and divide that by the 69 previous weeks
you end up with the 0.014 which is 1.4 percent
let me run over to my daniel's 70th week chart
so if you take the last 30 days the last 30 days
of daniel's 70th week which is basically the leap month
when do they need a leap month they need a leap month one
basically 30 days for every six years so if you take those uh 36
i'm sorry 30 days and divide that by uh 2520 the the
you know the base 30 the base um seven years of 30 day months
of 12 months then you end up with 0.014 also
and it's tagged at the end so it's at the end of
daniel's 70th week these 30 days and this 70th
week in the scope of the 70 weeks is tagged on at the end as
well
so that's just another coincidence for you right there in the 70 weeks
but then um like i said you also have the 10
10 of your way into the 70 weeks of daniel
because that's um there shall be seven weeks and three score in two weeks
and the streets shall be built again on the wall even in trouble's times
so seven weeks divided by 70 weeks gives you
point one which is ten percent
well that makes a lot of sense i could see what you're illustrating there now
when you put it that way that the rebuilding of jerusalem
corresponds to the daily sacrifice beginning
250 days or 10 into daniel's 70th week now when it comes to the feast of the
lord i found this one to be fascinating when i first learned it
pastor anderson he taught this in the revelation series
and it went completely over my head the first time i listened to it blew me
away yeah what he was talking about but then i
studied it for myself and i fell out of my chair when i saw it
leviticus 23 says in verse 23 and the lord spake unto moses saying speak unto
the children of israel saying in the seventh month
in the first day of the month shall ye have a sabbath a memorial a blowing of
trumpets and holy convocation
now the blowing of the trumpets often points to war numbers
chapter 10 proves this let me go this ties in this ties in closely with the
book of joel too because there's two trumpets in the book of joel
yes joel chapter two has the two trumpets you're talking about correct
yes yeah joel chapter two has the two trumpets the first trumpet being
um the abomination of desolation the second one being the rapture but let me
just head over to numbers chapter 10 and illustrate my
point where is it here where's the
yeah i think this is what i'm talking about in numbers chapter 10
the alarm of war
i think it's numbers chapter 10 and verse is it verse five i believe
i'm bringing up my chart here really quick
verse four numbers 10 9 numbers 9 okay gotcha that's that's what i'm thinking
about thank you numbers chapter 10 verse 9 and if you go
to warn your land against the enemy of the press with you then you shall blow
an alarm with the trumpets and you shall be remembered before the
lord your god and you shall be saved from your enemy so
it's talking about how when you go to war that you have to blow the alarm of
war the trumpets and here's what's so interesting about that if the feast of
trumpets represents the abomination of desolation
and numbers 10 9 says that the children of israel
when they go to war in their land were to
blow the trumpet well think about it this way the antichrist will be making
war with the saints we will be at war with the antichrist and so it makes
sense for the feast of trumpets the alarm of war to illustrate
the abomination of desolation or the catalyst
for the antichrist making war with the saints
yes and then the let me go back to leviticus 23
again it says in verse number 26 and the lord spake unto
moses saying also on the 10th day of this seventh month there shall be a day
of atonement it shall be in holy convocation unto
you and you shall afflict your souls and offer an offering made by fire
unto the lord so the 10th day of the seventh month
that represents the rapture it correlates perfectly with
the rapture 53 into daniel's 70th week also 53 into the hebrew calendar here
you have the day of atonement and of course when this day occurs
during the year of jubilee which you can read about in leviticus
25 well they're supposed to verse 9 it says
that they're supposed to blow a trumpet it says in leviticus 25 verse 9
then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the 10th day of
the seventh month in the day of atonement in the day of
atonement yeah yeah in the day of atonement you shall make the trumpet
sound throughout all your land and what is the rapture called well
it's the last trump according to first corinthians chapter 15 when that last
trumpet sounds that's when the rapture happens and so
you see the trumpet it's the glorious that's the glorious
liberty of the children of israel yes the glorious liberty of the children
of israel jubilee yeah and the rapture
is sort of referred to with that kind of verbiage in romans chapter 8
let me pull this up here in romans chapter 8
it says verse number 21 because the creature itself also
shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption unto
the glorious liberty of the children of god for we know that
the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now
but verse 23 but not only they but ourselves also which have the first
fruits of the spirit even we ourselves groan within ourselves
waiting for the adoption to wit the redemption of our body so the
redemption of our body happens at the rapture when we receive
our glorified body and when we're set free at liberty from
this fleshly body that we have right now the old man
amen yeah so that is a perfect parallel i had your chart up on the screen that
whole time i just realized it but that is a perfect parallel with the day
of atonement happening during the year the year of jubilee which is
basically the year of liberty and then you have
basically christians getting liberated from this fleshly body at the rapture
and the rapture 53 into daniel's 70th week well the day of atonement 53
into the hebrew calendar year i really love that one that's my favorite one
if i have to pick so did you kind of have that same reaction when you first
studied that out did you almost fall out of your chair too or what
i did i fell out of my chair too it was just amazing you know
because the reason is is because when when you read
daniel 12 right before it it says that from the time that the daily sacrifice
shall be taken away and the the abomination that make it desolate set
up there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days
and then after that it says um you know blessed is he that come that that
weighteth and cometh to the thousand three hundred five and
thirty days and a lot of people will take those
1335 days and put them in the same timeline as the 1290
and no that you know when i first heard that it's
that it's from the beginning of daniel 70th week
instead of where the abomination of desolation is i thought
hmm i wonder if there's anything that indicates that that were
that's where it should be and with all these illustrations
it's just screaming that yes that's where it belongs
yeah and of course that's where we get the 75 day number for the great
tribulation because you take 1335 and you subtract
it by 1260 and it leaves you with 75
right all right so yeah and then let's let's wrap it up with this daniel's
right triangle i know you also had the book of daniel but
we gotta have to cut that for time here so daniel's right triangle is the last
chart that we were going to look at this evening
so explain this to me daniel's right triangle
okay one day i was like i was studying out end times prophecy and then i was
helping my daughter with her math homework and she was doing
trigonometry basically for those of you that are math
challenged let me just quickly show you what what this is
basic trigonometry so you have a right triangle what that
means is you have a triangle with the right angle
and then you have an angle called theta you have a side
opposite of that you have a side adjacent to that and the side
opposite of the right of the right angle is called the hypotenuse
you have the sine of theta equals the opposite side over the hypotenuse side
cosine is adjacent over hypotenuse and tangent
is opposite over adjacent so that's just a quick rundown of of
what right triangle trigonometry is so i thought what happens if i had put
the 1260 on one side of the triangle and the 1335 on the hypotenuse
and i just wanted to see what numbers it yielded i checked the length of the
side uh adjacent to it i checked the angle
opposite of or the the angle adjacent to the 1260
and then i checked the one opposite of the 1260 and was just like
whoa that's kind of coincidental that the angle opposite of the 1260
turns out to be 70.7 you may you may be wondering what is the
big deal about 70.7 well i looked at that and
basically 70th week daniel's 70th week so what is that seven zero 70th is seven
zero and week how many days are how many years
are in are in the week are in the seven week
seven so you have 70 and then seven seventy point seven
and if you look at the equation of that the sign
of seventy point seven equals 1260 over 1335
now if you read that equation out and plug
okay so 1260 i'm going to plug the word abomination of desolation
because the abomination desolation happens 1260 into daniel's 70th week
and now for 1335 i'm going to plug in the word rapture
because that's how far it happens into it and for
seventy point seven i'm going to plug the word in daniel's 70th week
because you have seven zero and then point week which is
seven years so i'm going to put it into words basically what that's saying is
the sign of daniel's 70th week is the abomination of desolation that
happens before the rapture
wow so sign yeah so isn't that cool it's like
the sign you know you're going to be in daniel's 70th week
is the abomination of desolation and then
and then you're going to have the rapture after that
so the 70 is the 70th week and then the seven is the
seven years yeah so i'll make sure i got that okay and then basically the sign of
daniel's 70 week is the abomination of desolation over or proceeds
what do you mean precedes here
in the bottom or proceeds the rapture comes before the rapture before the
i got you okay abomination of desolation
precedes the rapture yeah okay that's interesting i like the pastor anderson
dr spergel classes there yeah that sets the tone for this one so this is kind of
more of just like a fun little coincidence that you found when you were
doing some math and you said hey wait a minute there's
something to this here and so you put it on a chart yeah it's
just one thing i i just tried with the right triangle and
boom it just came right up just like you're just too big of a nerd my friend
i'm on i need i need a pair of those dr spergel
glasses you need a pair of those glasses this whole live stream
we both needed them i think but especially you
needed some of those purple glasses
so i already wear glasses myself so i get to just put some white tape on there
and just all right how's it going everyone
oh there he's breaking them out
there it is all right well brother mike i really appreciate your time this you've
been so generous with me i told you one hour and here we are
an hour and 56 minutes into this so i apologize for going way over time
i just didn't anticipate how deep we were gonna go
and i think for those of you who are beginners i tried to make this as
accessible as i could for everyone but i don't know that i succeeded because
we really went into some deep doctrine on this and
looked at this from a deeper angle than i initially anticipated but you know
what hey promise we promised another illustration didn't
we that is true let's get into that before i
let you go one last illustration you said you just
found this out you just discovered this i almost forgot thank you for reminding
me there was one last illustration you
wanted to cover before we land the plane and this is one you discovered recently
so let's go ahead and we'll go over this last one the final foreshadowing of the
post-rib pre-wrath rapture before we wrap it up tonight the floor
is yours brother mike i've been looking forward to this since
you told me that you found a new one let's hear it
okay so what we need is we need the true age of the earth chart
to kind of help with this because this one spans a long period of time
and this kind of fell into place for me after i kind of resigned
myself to when it comes to the divided kingdom
and you add up all the reigns of the kings
that that's basically you you add up all their reigns and that's the whole time
of the divided kingdom and once i put that into place this kind
of uh after i did a little bit of looking
around this kind of popped out at me so i'm gonna bring this one up again so
this is the timing of the rapture again daniel 12
let's pay close attention to this word thou shalt rest
and stand in thy lot so remember those words stand in thy lot
at the end of the days 1335 meaning you will be this one i'm
calling this is the one i'm calling dividing of
the land by lot this is in joshua okay
so from the flood all the way up to when
let me start here from the flood all the way up to when babylon
made the land desolate
so this is this is after zedekiah okay
we have two thousand one hundred and thirteen years
that's a lot of adding up to do and so we got to go through
uh the time after the flood add up all the
all the ones there from tira abraham isaac jacob
the children of israel sojourning in egypt for 430 years
uh the time of the judges the time of the divided kingdom
david solomon you have that many years according to my chart there may be
some other ways to figure out how long the divided kingdom or the time of the
judges is but i just added up the reigns i just added
up the times of the judges and filled in some gaps
so now from the time from the flood to the time the land was divided by lot
after the children of israel wandered in the wilderness
you add all those up that comes to one thousand one hundred and nineteen years
okay so you take one thousand one hundred nineteen and divide it by two
thousand one hundred and thirteen you get point five two nine six
53 percent
it's right there folks i mean you can't deny that how ridiculously
how ridiculously accurate is that if you tweak it by one year
it's not going to work wow because it's going to take into the 1336 day
that's if you tweak the let's tweak the second number
the 1201 on the 12 the 2 112
and tweak it by one once again that takes you beyond into the 1336
day not the 1335 day
so the reason why i think i'm calling that one my favorite
is because that confirms that all the times of the judges and all the
times of the dividing the divided kingdom i'm barking up the
right tree
and one other thing that i noticed after i after i changed
the length of time of the divided kingdom into 394 years
uh if you look at my chart the time from the creation to the flood
1656
600 1656 years this this blue line 1656 from creation of the flood
and now you look at the time from the exodus to the crucifixion
you have 1041 years and you have 615 years
add those two numbers up the four the 1041
plus the 615 1656 same as the creation to the flood
are you tracking with me or at least i'm tracking i'm tracking
so you have some so this the same amount of years from the creation to the flood
is the same amount from the exodus to the crucifixion
okay i see so it's like you have some so it's like you have some symmetry there
yes
there is symmetry and you have
the desolation right here it says 586 bc the
the first temple being destroyed yes so that's after zedekiah
and that's um after all the children of israel are totally
removed from their land i see so that's how you were able to get
the number and then basically you you you figured out from there that the
children of israel getting their land divided by a lot
corresponds essentially to the rapture because it's 53
into this yeah if you look at where we where we get the timing of the rapture
itself daniel 12 it even says that daniel's going to stand in his lot
lot you look at the wording and compare it
it's right there right his lot so you have
daniel standing in his lot 53 into the daniel 70th week and then you
have the children of israel getting their land divided
by lot 53 percent 53 percent yeah the time period that
spans say can you just remind me the flood
the flood yeah from the flood all the way to the desolation
when they know the the desolation okay gotcha
yeah okay so the destruction do you mean the destruction of the the temple
is that what you mean by desolation yes all right so the destruction uh from
the flood to the destruction of the temple
53 into that time period the children of israel
their land is divided by a lot corresponding to the rapture
yes that's correct is that going to be turned into a chart for us
yes i'm going to put that illustration in there i don't know how i'm going to
fit it in but somehow i will well i hope you do very
soon well let me tell you something that blew my mind that's enough there were
several mind-blowing moments on this stream
but that one was was certainly one of them wow that was good stuff well
mike i mean you certainly delivered the goods tonight
i really appreciate you coming on and i guess we'll go ahead and wrap it up now
you know we talked a lot about end times prophecy we talked about
you know what's going to happen in the future
the rapture timing of the rapture all of this stuff
the beginning of sorrows these are all different
prophetic milestones that must come to pass before the end
and basically to wrap all of this up i wanted to give you the floor
what in your mind should people do to prepare
for the end times
well the biggest thing is don't worry about stockpiling food don't
worry about becoming a prepper i don't think that's going to do
anything the biggest thing you can do is is
live godly in christ jesus live for the lord
and go out and win souls you know if you're useful to god god's
going to want to keep you around during the
great tribulation you know that's right he's going to
basically during the great tribulation the end of christ is going to hunt down
all the christians but god is probably going to
he's probably going to spare those somehow who are doing more work for him
it says in that time period that many many people will
be strong and commit exploits that's in daniel
and if if that's what you if that's what you're going to want to do to prepare
that's that's my biggest suggestion right there
i think i'm losing my ear bud again no amen i'm 100 with you
that's what we need to do is we need to win souls to christ we need to live for
the lord and not worry so much about the carnal things and the things of this
world and that'll set ourselves up to be
successful during that time to do great exploits like the bible
references there in daniel chapter 11 but i appreciate your time here brother
mike again thank you so much for going over these charts with me and talking
bible prophecy we went in depth here on this live stream and touched on a
number of different avenues or different
components if you will of this topic and really i think
dove into it from a deep perspective looking at foreshadowing looking at
some of the pictures there and basically all the information
that you put on the trash i shouldn't even say all just sort of a small
piece of the information that you have in these charts because we didn't have
time to go over all of it but i think that it was really
interesting to get your thought process on
how you put these together and kind of what you're trying to communicate
through each one of these charts just to make it
a little bit more digestible for people out there
who are trying to learn about prophecy well thank you again mike i appreciate
it god bless you and is there anything else you want to
say before i let you go hey i appreciate you having me on this
this has um been a pleasure i love talking bible prophecy and i love
anyone that has any questions about my charts i'm happy to answer even if
they're strong disagreements you know um but
it's it's been a pleasure being on your live stream and
i look forward to maybe another one or whenever
i have a lot more i can share too i would love to have you on again
this won't be the last time that i bother you to come on
the stream because i would love to have you on and
and i think what we could do next time is maybe pinpoint it to just
one specific chart or topic or something like that and then just go
nuts with it and geek out so that'll be a lot of fun but uh
yeah i'll get you on again soon so thank you mike again and
i hope you enjoy the rest of your night you too god bless
all right god bless you as well and that was
brother mike murphy
and he's a great guy
he's a great guy let's see if i can get this
go away there we go brother mike murphy this guy knows bible
prophecy for sure and it was a blast talking about it here
with him this evening as we went through some of those charts and we
dissected them as best as we could in the limited time that we had here on
this stream but i'll for sure bring it back on
again sometime in the future and we can maybe kind of limit it just to one chart
and kind of talk about that for a while but
obviously he has studied this topic thoroughly
and enjoys this topic as i do and i had a blast talking about it with
him here on my channel so yeah i'm getting back here on youtube
it's been a while it's been a few years so we'll see how long it takes to kind
of build this up again but regardless i just want to give
christians another option for
christian content that they can find on this
youtube channel i'll be uploading church recap
event recap videos like the one i recently did
kind of highlighting recapping the bahamas trip
and then i also am going to be doing some more videos like that in the future
i'll be doing more live streams in the future as well
so make sure you stay tuned to the ben the baptist youtube channel for more
content and i want to thank maria youtube 100
who's holding it down in the chat room maria is a very dedicated
fan of the new ifb follower of the new ifb she tunes into practically
everything and i really appreciate her support
tuning into the live stream tonight but that's gonna do it
for this ben naim signing off i'll be back again sometime
in the future for another stream but until then god bless you all
and uh like i always say i'll talk to you guys again you might hear my kids in
the background i'm not sure if you can or not but you
know i have children so you're invariably
going to hear them in the background at some point
because they live with me and they're loud
that's something you learn about kids is they're loud
good night all i'll talk to you guys again after a while