Hello everybody, it's ministertal23 back in their video. This video is a
response to a sermon given by a church, which is local to me, about two weeks ago
by a guest speaker at that church. So this church, which I've mentioned before
on my channel, is known as LifePoint Church, and I'm aware of it because I
have a friend who attends this church, who's a member of this church, which
calls itself non-denominational. So it's a non-denominational church, and the
reason why I know about it, the reason why I'm talking about it, is because I...
Well, first of all, it's local to me, it's pretty well known among my community, I
guess, and there are a few people I know who attend this church, including a close
friend I have. It seems like there's a car or a truck with a bumper sticker
bearing the church logo on it all the time when I'm driving around, so I think
it's pretty big in my area, I'm not exactly sure how many people are there.
Now I obviously don't want to say how close exactly I am to the church, but
I'll say that I live within 30 miles of it, of this LifePoint Church. It's quite a
popular assembly in the city of San Tan Valley, Arizona, so now because my
friend told me about this church back in September, I obviously back then wanted
to do some research on it, so I discovered that they had a YouTube
channel, or they still do, they have a YouTube channel, which they upload audio
recordings of their sermons, and there was a sermon given on December 30th, 2018,
so just about two weeks ago, which was delivered by a guest speaker named Joe
Weigert, who was introduced by the pastor, whose name is Nathan Bentley, to deliver
a special message, and the pastor of the church, clearly in the beginning of the
the video, in the beginning of the sermon, or the beginning of the recording, he
obviously approved of the message given, and the sermon was uploaded under the
title, Faith and Works, and you might see how I'm, or you might see where I'm going
with this, because a lot of people, when they get those things together, they get
it mixed up, and they end up teaching false doctrine, so when this clown got up
to speak, Joe Weigert, he first went to James 2, and read the famous passages that
the Catholics twist, in order to try and teach works salvation. Now, this is a red
flag, when a non-denominational church uploads a sermon called Faith and Works,
and the first scripture they read is James 2, that's a pretty big red flag, so
I decided to listen to the sermon for several minutes, to see what was going on
here, to see what he's going to say, and at first, when you watch the sermon, or
when you listen to it, it seems like he's teaching right things, because he says
things like, well, religions like Mormonism and Islam differ from
Christianity, and that they emphasize works, instead of what you believe, so in
the beginning of the video, it seems like what he's doing is teaching, well, yeah,
it's faith alone, you just have to believe, or have faith in order to be
saved, but then he mentioned something, there's another thing, is this is kind of
a minor thing, he mentioned something about how no one would say that Mother
Teresa was evil, which is false, I would say that, and a lot of other saved
Christians would also say that, because we understand that she led many people to
hell by the preaching of the Catholic faith, so yes, just because she helped
people, and did certain good things, doesn't mean she was good, doesn't mean
that she wasn't evil, she definitely was, she was a liar, a false prophet, a false
teacher, and then he briefly touches on the gospel, he talks about how Jesus died
for us, that we don't have to worry about keeping the law for justification, so the
first 12 minutes or so of the sermon was mostly correct, it was mostly okay, but
then he goes on to say that Christians, when thinking about faith and works, they
tend to swing too far in the other direction, or in the direction away from
works, and he says in the sermon, and this is, I'm not gonna quote it verbatim, but
instead I'm gonna play it, because I have it on my, my phone right here, hopefully
you can hear it, this is exactly what he says, this starts about 13 minute and 20
second mark, nobody, that's not what it says anywhere in James, the full passage
that he was reading from James chapter 2 verse 14 to verse 24 is this, and I'm
gonna say the entire, this entire section, this entire teaching, this entire
passage, no word to say anything of what he just said, it says, starting in verse
14, what doth a prophet my brethren, though a man says he hath faith, and have
not works, can faith save him, if a brother or sister be naked, and destitute
of daily food, and one of you say unto them, depart in peace, be you warmed and
filled, notwithstanding you give them not these things which are needful to the
body, what doth a prophet, even so faith, if not, if it hath not work, works is dead,
being alone, yea a man may say thou hast faith, and I have work, show me thy faith
without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works, thou believeth that
there is one God, thou doest well, the devil's also believe in tremble, but wilt
thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead, was not Abraham our father
justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar, seeest thou
how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect, and the
scripture was fulfilled, which saith Abraham believed God, and it was puted
unto him for righteousness, and he was called a friend of God, you see then how
that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only, hmm that's strange, there
was not a single verse in that entire passage that I just read, James 2 14 to
2 24, that says if your faith is without works, it's just not real faith, which is
what Joe Weigert said, okay, Joe Weigert is just making things up, and he's not the
first person to do this, or say something like this either, okay, this is a common
misrepresentation of these verses, so before explaining exactly what James 2
is talking about, what that means, which I've done before in my videos, I've
talked about this several times, and which I've done in a video that's not
uploaded yet, it'll be uploaded on February 4th, before I talk about that in
this video, I want to move on with the claims of this Joe Weigert guy, so almost
right after that, he says this, okay, so I just want to say that the fact that the
pastor of this church didn't immediately shut him up, or that no
member of the church didn't rebuke him, or left the church for this heresy, is
just mind-boggling, and honestly I'm kind of worried that a lot of people in that
church are not saved, I've been informed that my friend did not attend church on
that day, because he was sick, and I'm pretty sure he's saved, there's no
way to absolutely know, he says he's saved, he believes the gospel, I've tested
him on that, but he said he's going to talk with the pastor about that, and try
to see what was going on, but no Joe Weigert, okay, James does not say that
demons believe in Jesus, that's not what it says, he said that that's not true,
James says that even the demons believe, well no, it doesn't say that, it says that
they believe that God is one, it says in verse 19, thou believes that there is one
God, thou doest well, the devil's also believe in trouble, it does not say that
the demons believe in Jesus, it just says that they believe that there's one God.
Okay, so no Christian, no Bible-believing saved Christian, teaches
that if you believe in one God, you're saved, okay, the Catholics believe in one
God, they're not saved, the Jehovah's Witnesses believe in one God, they're not
saved, the Muslims believe in one God, they're not saved, the Sikhs, the
Kaudias, sometimes there's even some Hindus who believe in one God, they're
not saved, and the Bible does not say that you have to believe in one God to
be saved, it says that you have to put your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, so
you have to believe on him. Okay? And then this idiot has a nerve to say, just
believing doesn't save you. That's exactly what he said. Well, guess what? The
Bible says in John 3 16, for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten
son that whosoever, which means whoever or anyone, whosoever believeth on him or
believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. The Bible says in
Romans chapter 10 verse 9, that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord
Jesus and shall believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,
thou shalt be saved. And then it says in Acts 16 31, believe on the Lord Jesus
Christ and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. It doesn't say and thou might be
saved, it just depends on whether or not you have works with that. It says thou
shalt be saved. So yes, it's just believing, it's just having faith is
that's what save you. Okay? Joe Weigert is a lying heretic. And at this point I
could stop this video, I could just quit, but I want to address just a little more
of what Joe Weigert claims. Because remember how I just read Romans 10 9
where it says that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in
your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved? Well, just a
little bit later he actually quotes Romans 10 9 and he tries to use it to
teach that you need faith and works. Okay?
Let's take a look at Romans 10 verses 9 and 10. It says if you confess with your
mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead. By the
way, I think he's reading from the ESV which is one of the new Bible versions
that takes out like 16 verses and has so many translation mistakes in it. So
if you're confused if you're kind of cringing it the way this sounds because
he's using some terrible translation. From the dead you will be saved. For with
the heart one believes and is justified and with the mouth one confesses and is
saved. Now what this verse really is is a description of faith. We know in other
verses that it says we are we are saved by faith and what this verse is is a
description of faith. It has two parts. You believe and you confess. A belief and
an action and it's faith and works. It goes hand in hand. You can't have one or
the other. If you just if you just say you believe in Jesus but then it never
comes out. It's nothing. I mean vice versa it'd be ridiculous but if you proclaim Jesus but
then you don't actually believe it that also does nothing. So what a way to
twist God's Word. Does it say anywhere in Romans 10 verses 9 to 10 that there are
two parts of salvation. One is faith and one is works. No it doesn't say that but
that's what he taught anyway. Okay it says that if you believe and if you
confess then you're saved. Okay confession is not a work. Confession
doesn't mean that you just go out and obey God's commandments. That's not what
confession means. Confessing with your mouth the Lord Jesus is just calling
upon the name of the Lord. It says just a few verses later in verse 13 for
whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Okay that just
means that whoever believes if you truly believe you're probably going to call on
the name of the Lord. Okay because if you call upon the name of the Lord if
you say Lord save me or whatever but you don't actually believe that then what
you're doing is completely useless. You don't actually believe that. So it's
whosoever believes and then because of their belief they call on the name of
the Lord. Okay and yes faith can be without works. He's trying to say well
there go hand in hand there they're together you can't have one without the
other. Okay well no that's completely false. Okay the Bible says in Romans
chapter 4 verse 37 for what saith the scripture Abraham believed God and was
counted unto him for righteousness now to him that worketh is the reward not
reckon of grace but of debt but to him that watch this worketh not but
believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly his faith is counted for
righteousness even as David also described the blessedness of the man
unto whom God impudeth righteousness without works saying blessed are they
whose iniquities are forgiven and whose sins are covered so does faith and works
go hand in hand no because the Bible clearly teaches that the one who worketh
not or the one who is without works they still have their iniquities forgiven
they're still justified they're still saved so you can see how false teachers
just completely misquote and twist scripture and it's it's just one of
those verses and this happens a lot where they look at something it says
something but they say the exact opposite they say see it says this when
it really says something completely different okay they look at Romans 10 9
which clearly teaches that everybody who believes is saved and then says it you
have to do more than believe you have to do works it doesn't say that anywhere in
the verse and yet they say well that's what it says it's just ridiculous so
what is James chapter 2 really teach what is James chapter 2 really talking
about the purpose of this video is to call out the teachings of Joe Wiegert
that would be Joe w-e-g-e-r-t just if you're curious and Life Point Church
because of their false doctrines because of the heresies and I'll talk about it
now in this video instead of just waiting to tell you or telling you to
wait until February 4th which is when I'm doing the commonly misunderstood
scripture or commonly misunderstood verses video for James 2 24 that's when
that'll be uploaded but going back now and reading James chapter 2 verse 14 24
let's break down different sections of this passage of this teaching it says in
verse 14 what doth it profit my brethren though a man say he hath faith and have
not works can faith save him if a brother or sister be naked in destitute
of daily food and what if you say unto them depart in peace be you warmed and
filled notwithstanding you give them not these things which are needful to the
body what doth it profit so I want to point out two things at first that he's
writing to brethren he's writing to fellow Christians okay and he says that
both hair he says brethren but he says it elsewhere in the book of James I
think it's uh there's a few times in chapter 1 and then there's a few times
in chapter 3 as well so it's clear that he's writing to fellow Christians to
people who are already saved the second is that what James is teaching here is
that faith does not profit anything for a brother or sister or those who are
brethren in Christ why because faith is within you okay it's a personal it's an
individual thing it doesn't help anybody else okay my faith isn't profiting
anybody okay just because I have faith that somebody can can go be warmed and
filled it doesn't mean that they're actually going to be warmed and filled
but does that have anything to do with salvation no look at what verse 17 says
it says even so faith if it hath not works is dead being alone now people
tried to twist this and try to say that it says that faith without works doesn't
exist but that's not what it says it says that faith without works is dead
and it repeats us in verse 26 the term faith without works is dead doesn't mean
faith without works isn't real faith like mr. Wiegert the offense it means
that it doesn't profit anything like James has been teaching throughout this
passage so far it means it doesn't profit anything it's useless to our
fellow believers okay we can see that if we read on as well it says in verse 18
yea a man may say thou hast faith and I have works show me thy faith without
thy works and I will show thee my faith by my works so in verse 18 there's a
hypothetical situation given in which a man might say so this isn't God speaking
here this has nothing to do with God this is not the judgment seed of Christ
okay this is not when we're being judged when we're being cast into hell or given
eternal life or anything like that okay this has nothing to do with God this is
what a person looking in on our faith says this could be a fellow believer or
could even be somebody who isn't a Christian and who doesn't believe that
we have true faith okay what does he say I will show thee my faith by my works so
this hypothetical man is stating that he's going to demonstrate his faith by
his works why does he need to do that because we can't see the heart okay I
can't see your heart I can't read your mind you can't read my mind we don't
know if somebody has faith or not we can't read each other's minds only God
can know our hearts the Bible says in 1st Samuel chapter 6 verse or chapter
16 verse 7 but the Lord said unto Samuel look not on his countenance or on the
height of his stature because I have refused him for the Lord seeth not as
man seeth for man looketh on the outward appearance but the Lord looketh on the
heart so we so we thus show our faith by our works okay so we show our faith by
our works and we show it to man not to God has nothing to do with God it's
about showing it to man and this will be made clear as we read on okay that has
nothing to do with God it's all about being justified in the eyes of man so in
verse 19 it says thou believeth that there's one God that do as well the
devil's also believe in tremble I've already discussed this and how Joe
Weigert twists it it says thou believeth that there is one God it doesn't say
that thou believeth on the Lord Jesus Christ and the demons do also okay no
the demons don't put their trust on the Lord Jesus Christ they don't believe in
Jesus they don't put their trust or their faith in Jesus okay just because
they believe that there's one God doesn't mean that they believe the
gospel doesn't mean that they're saved so it's a complete fallacy to say that
this verse is teaching against faith alone salvation because there's nothing
to do with salvation it has something to do with believing that there's one God
okay now it says in a starting in verse 20 but wilt thou know a vain man that
faith without works is dead was not Abraham or father justified by works
when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar seeest thou how faith brought
with his works and by works was faith made perfect and the scripture was
fulfilled with saith Abraham believed God and it was imputed unto him for
righteousness and he was called the friend of God you see then how that by
works a man is justified and not by faith only okay so how are we justified
it's simple in the eyes of man as it teaches in verse 18 we are justified by
works okay the Bible says in Romans 4 what shall we say then that Abraham our
father as pertain to the flesh hath found for if Abraham were justified by
works he hath where of to glory but not before God for what sayeth the scripture
Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness so if Abraham
were justified by works he had something to glory about he had something to boast
about why because he's justified in the sight of man because in man's eyes the
person who looks on the outward appearance not someone who looks on the
heart we don't know that they have faith we can only see their outward things
okay we can't see people's inward man the flesh does not change whatsoever
when salvation happens it's only the spirit that's born again we still have
the old flesh we still have the old man so one way that we can know and others
can know that somebody truly believes what they're saying is that they do the
works I mean think about it here's an example what's more believable to say
that a man who'd risk his life for Jesus Christ who'd go out in the in the heat or
in the cold and preach the gospel would that person would it be more
believable to say that person has faith or to say that somebody who just sits
around on their couch and doesn't obey God and lives in sin and doesn't go to
church has faith it's possible that both of them believe it's possible that both
of them are saved but the only way that we can tell is by their works okay it's
justification in our sight not in the sight of God now later in this sermon
Joe Uyghur goes into reading Hebrews chapter 11 and Hebrews chapter 11 is
just simply showing examples of what people throughout history have done by
their faith it doesn't say that you need to do some great and mighty work to be
saved or that your faith will always be accompanied by works it doesn't teach
that in any of these in the entire chapter of Hebrews 11 okay it's just
showing evidence to us that they have faith that these people Abel and Noah
and Abraham and so on had faith because of the Bible just says Abraham believed
God and then it just stopped talking about Abraham it didn't talk about
anything else he did it wouldn't be likely that we'd see Abraham as a good
example of how to serve God how to exercise our faith okay it says in verse
2 of Hebrews 11 that by it the elders gained a good report and in verse 39
that these all having obtained a good report through faith so it's about them
having a good report it's about them being justified in our sight it has
nothing to do with being saved and yes okay even though Joe Uyghur teaches
against this the Bible definitely does teach that works does not play any role
in salvation whatsoever even if you say well you can't earn your salvation but
you get salvation by faith and that's always accompanied by works they'll just
come after and make immediately that's teaching work salvation whether you like
it or not it's just switching around when the works comes okay because it
clearly says in Romans 4 verse 5 to him that worketh not but believeth on him
and then it says in Ephesians chapter 2 verse 8 to 9 for by grace are you saved
through faith and that none of yourselves it is the gift of God not of
works lest any man should boast and the Bible declares a multitude of times that
faith or believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is the only thing required for
eternal life it says on John 3 16 John 3 18 John 3 36 John 6 40 John 6 47 John
11 25 acts 16 30 31 Romans 3 20 to 28 Romans 4 5 to 7 Romans 10 9 to 17 Romans
11 6 Ephesians 2 8 to 9 Galatians 2 16 Titus 3 5 to 7 1st John 5 9 to 13 and the
list goes on and on I encourage you to look up all those verses if you don't
know them and to read them because it clearly teaches that we are saved by
faith alone so I know that some people who I know who might go to this church
watch my channel and if I were you I'd either rebuke the false teacher Joe
Weigert in that church try to find him I try to rebuke that false prophet or just
get out of the church because the fact that the pastor allowed this message is
pretty troubling because what he taught is completely against the Bible and it
shows that he's not safe it shows that he's teaching a work salvation and he's
trying to twist the gospel he's twisting scripture he doesn't even understand
basic doctrines of the Bible so thank you everybody for watching that's it for
today and goodbye