I'm going to go ahead and get started.
Hey everybody, Pastor Stephen Anderson here from Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona.
And I'm speaking with brother Anzom and brother Moses in Germany.
I know you're actually from Germany. If you're German, then head over and listen to the interview that's actually in your language.
But I wanted to do this interview as well, just so that people in the United States could know what's going on in Germany, the spiritual condition of Germany.
And then about a month ago, I know you brother Anzom had preached a really hot sermon about how sinful Germany is and I mean, you pretty much hit on every sin, you know, they could think of.
And you really ripped on the sodomites and everything and it brought a little bit of persecution upon you. So you want to talk a little bit about that.
I preached a sermon, you know, exposing all the sins, or actually just a few of the sins Germany is involved in.
And some people didn't like it, obviously, because I also preached against the sodomites and I named some names.
Sven Lehmann, who is a representative for the LGBT community from the government.
So that's how far Germany has sunk.
And, yeah, so people don't like it, obviously.
Didn't you say that he actually tweeted about your sermon, this government queer?
Yes, he tweeted about my sermon and, you know, obviously they are trusting what I said.
Because, you know, he tweeted like there was a call to murder him or something.
Which isn't true, because I didn't preach to murder someone, you know.
Well, we all we all always get accused of the exact same thing, even though we're literally just reading Bible verses.
I mean, I listened to what you said in your sermon and you're just reading the Bible verses.
You're just stating exactly verbatim what God says in the Bible.
And then you basically just said that this is, you know, that the government, if it were a righteous government, would be having laws like God has described.
You never called for violence or anything, just like I've never called for violence in my sermons.
But me and my friends, we get accused of that all the time. So welcome to the club.
So what's the status on that right now? Like he tweeted about it. Did that did that get more people to listen to the sermon because he tweeted about it?
Well, I guess so, and I hope so.
Actually, some queer magazine published two articles about me and about the work we do.
The first one was about our documentary, Die Elgebärzäluge, the German translation of The Sodomite Deception.
So that was the documentary that Steadfast Baptist Church did. You guys dubbed that German?
Yes.
Man, I absolutely love that documentary.
I was I was super impressed by how well that documentary came out.
I didn't watch the German version yet, but I should because, yeah, I would love to rewatch that sucker because that's a great film.
Definitely.
So this queer magazine published a second article about me, specifically about my sermon from February.
You know, stating that I call for murder and stuff.
And, you know, some sodomites organization in Germany is trying to sue me.
So there was some legal battle already going on.
So do you think that they're going to take away your your vast amount of wealth that you have?
I mean, all of what? All the millions of dollars that you have.
It's so funny when when guys like us get sued because, you know, you're not are you independently wealthy or?
I'm not really wealthy.
It's so funny, like, like what did it you know, I don't know how it is in Germany, but like, I'm never afraid of getting sued.
I've never gotten sued so far. But, you know, let's say I get sued someday.
You know, I'm just going to laugh at that, because even if I were to lose a lawsuit and it's like, OK, you owe us a million dollars or something, you know, I just say, well, I don't have any money.
Yeah.
Because, you know, there's no such thing as debtors prison anymore.
But it's so funny how Christians, they're so scared to get up and preach the word of God.
They're so scared to take a stand because, like, oh, what if I get sued or whatever?
And it's like, you know what? Go ahead and sue me because, you know, I'm not laying up treasures on this earth anyway.
So I don't go ahead and sue me and do what you have to do. Now, what about actual like criminal charges?
Is there a danger of you actually being arrested or put in prison for like what's it called?
Folksverhitsung or something?
Folksverhitsung, yeah. Which is basically hate speech.
But the folksverhitsung doesn't it literally mean like heating up the people or like stirring people up?
Yeah, something like that.
So literally it's against the law to kind of heat people up and stir people up in Germany.
You know, man, that's what I do three times a week. I try to try to heat things up.
Yeah. So is there a danger? Are you in danger of that?
Yes, actually, I am, because what I said might be folksverhitsung hate speech.
You could actually go to prison for that. Obviously, I don't have any interest in going to prison.
I don't think I will. But, you know, well, the bad news is that, you know, you could possibly go to prison for this.
But the good news is that prison in Germany is like it's kind of like going to summer camp or something, because it's not it's not like you're going to prison in like South Africa or something.
There's a lot worse places to go to prison than Germany. I'll put it that way.
I just want to add to this. Of course, the thought of my deception in Germany, I was one who did most of the work on it.
And of course, the thing is, I'm actually in a much more in a more serious position, probably because I'm still a foreigner living here in Germany.
Oh, so you don't you don't have like the rights of a citizen like Brother Anzo would have.
No, I'm a foreigner. I have a permanent visa.
I'm an Indian. Actually, after eight years, I can apply for a visa, but I've been only here for seven years now.
So the worst that they can do for me is deport me back to India.
Yeah. So what part of India are you from?
I'm from the city of Hyderabad. I speak Telugu.
Oh, yeah. OK. So you're from southern India then? Yeah.
Southern India. Right.
You speak a Dravidian language.
Yeah. Yeah.
You speak one of the really hard Indian languages, because, like, you know, that the northern languages are Indo-European.
And so they're there, believe it or not, you know, a lot of people don't realize that they're they're they're pretty similar to English in a lot of ways because they're Indo-European.
But, man, right into those southern languages, you said Telugu.
Right. It's just like it's like, oh, it's pretty hard.
The good news is, though, that at least if you did get shipped back to southern India, there's probably less persecution of Christians in southern India than in northern India, right?
It depends. Even in southern India, there's a lot of persecution. But but I'm pretty sure if I get sent back to India and if I start preaching there, there's going to be persecution of me because I won't compromise on all the things a lot of pastors compromise.
A couple of years ago, I was thinking, should I get involved with this? Should I, should I preach? Should I do these videos and all? What if they send me back?
But then I thought I was like, I'm just being afraid of the worldly stuff, you know? I'd rather serve God and if they send me back, so what? Okay, I'll go back home and I'll serve God there.
But I'm telling you, whatever you, whatever you give up for Christ, he'll give you a hundred fold on this earth.
Right. And in the world to come, you know, you're obviously inheriting eternal life. But I'm telling you, like, anything that you give up, anything that you lose in this life, God's got something better for you, period.
And so you're smart to just trust in the Lord, preach the word of God. And, you know, what good is our life if we're not going to serve Christ and preach the word of God and win souls and make a difference?
But, you know, we have a couple of guys in our church. They're both from northern India.
And one of them actually applied for religious asylum in the United States because of, you know, if he went back to India, he'd be persecuted for his religion, being a born again Christian, and he was granted it.
So he actually has been granted asylum in the United States. And so, wow.
The situation's real over in India for a lot of people.
Right. That is so.
Depending on the geography, you know, some parts of India are very Christian, like in Nagaland or whatever, like, you know, Northeast. Have you ever been there or no?
I haven't been there, but I got friends there. There's a state called Mizoram, I believe.
Yeah.
Most of them are Baptists.
Mizoram is like three-quarter Baptist or something.
Right.
Yeah.
And also Telugu, the Telugu region in the 1800s, there were some Baptist missionaries who came and evangelized a lot. And they actually, the Telugu Bible that we have right now was translated by a Baptist missionary back in the 1800s.
Oh, okay.
There's a lot of Christian activity happening from where I'm from. Yeah.
So which Bible, Anselm, which Bible are you guys using for your preaching? So I felt like when I was listening to your sermon that it was the Schlachterbiebel, is that correct?
All right. Yeah, we use the Schlachter 2000biebel, which is definitely a very good translation.
And that's out of Switzerland, right?
No, actually out of Germany.
Some guys from a brethren church in Germany translated it.
Other than that, I would recommend the Luther 1912 from the TBS, Trinitarian Bible Society, which I also use sometimes for some verses.
Yeah, because I think the one that the Trinitarian Bible Society sells, it's the Luther 1912 in the Old Testament, but then in the New Testament, it's like a 1998 revision that has made it more faithful to the Textus Receptus.
It's more like a King James than the 1912 was.
Exactly.
But you know, I know my wife as a native speaker of German, my wife, she really prefers the style of the Schlachterbiebel.
She really likes the style just from a German perspective. I don't know.
I would agree. Definitely.
I like them both because I can't tell the difference because I'm a foreigner.
When we first got married, my wife would accuse me of speaking like someone from 400 years ago, because I learned a lot of my German from reading the 1912 Martin Luther Bible, which preserves a lot of that archaic language.
And so I'd be talking to her and she'd be like, she said it was like the equivalent of someone going around and speaking like King James or something because that's how I learned German initially.
But anyway, so you guys are doing a bunch of soul winning over in Germany. You're not just raising hell with your sermons, but you're also doing a lot of great soul winning.
And I know you're doing soul winning marathons about every month or every two months.
How many people have you guys gotten saved? It's March 5th today, 2022. How many people have you guys gotten saved this year through your soul winning efforts?
So this year, we have gotten 14 people saved, which might not sound very much to the audience.
Did you say 40 or 14? 14. 14. That's what I thought.
Yeah. So 14 saved is phenomenal, because you're a small group. And Germany is not necessarily the most receptive place ever.
To get 14 people saved in Germany in the last couple months, you guys are working hard. And obviously you guys have your day jobs.
So 40 people got saved at our soul winning marathons and push. We call it soul winning push, which is like an event where everybody goes soul winning at the same time, but in their own city.
Right.
Yeah, but the marathon will be that we meet in one place.
So I don't know how much people, the other guys got saved through the week, aside from the events.
So there are definitely more people saved than 14.
And then you guys have had people participate from other countries in Europe as well. Like, I know you said what, Switzerland, Poland, anywhere else?
It usually depends where we have our soul winning marathons, because we don't have the soul winning marathon at the same city every time.
So if you're having it in the East Germany, like in Leipzig or Halle, for example, then our friends from Poland would join us.
Last time we had it in Wittenberg and some of the sisters from Czech Republic wanted to come by, but because of the corona rules, they couldn't make it.
And the last time we were in Pforzheim, the last two times, and our brothers from Switzerland were there.
Brother Arthur was there, Brother Kevin was there, probably know them.
Yeah, and now they're settled in Switzerland. They were before in France, so they come by in that area. So it usually depends where we have it.
But every time we had it, we had some foreigners from outside of Germany coming.
Cool. Yeah, they're doing a great work down there in Geneva as well.
We've been trying to get somebody from our church to get out there.
Either I wanted to go out to Geneva or one of my staff members get him out there.
But it's just these stupid corona restrictions, because Brother Segura was supposed to go out to Geneva and we want to work with them.
But I wish that this stupid corona stuff would be over already. I can't believe we'll be here two years later. It's incredible.
But anyway, as far as the soul winning you guys are doing, did you say about nine or ten people typically show up when you guys have an actual in-person soul winning event?
Yeah, nine, ten people.
And how many people are in your WhatsApp group?
26.
26, nice.
So theoretically 26 people could meet in one place. But there are also brothers from France and Switzerland in the group.
Yeah, and I mean, you don't really think of Europe as being a really receptive place, but aren't the young people pretty receptive?
Definitely. I mean, especially young people with a Catholic background, they are very receptive to the gospel.
And also some young people who call themselves atheists, they would listen to it and get saved.
Amen.
On the name of the Lord.
Yeah, that's cool. I know, you know, I went soul winning a few years ago in Cyprus. And, you know, it was pretty much all young people that got saved, like everybody who got saved when I was there virtually.
I mean, there were a few exceptions. But, you know, out of the 20 some people that we got saved, virtually all of them were males between like 15 and 25 years old.
For some reason, we had our time talking to women because something about the culture in Cyprus, we would walk up to women and and try to give them the gospel.
And they, they thought that we were like hitting on them, or something, even though we didn't, even though we didn't give them any indication of that we're just, we're just giving them the gospel but they, they, they either just like acted weird about it, they either got all like giggly and shy or they just kind of blew us off and it was just it was weird.
So, and then we noticed that like older people weren't interested and just kind of wanted to argue with us. So after several days of soul winning in Cyprus, we just started just heading for just young dudes like guys that were around you know 1820 25.
And those guys almost always listen to the gospel and many of them got sick. And then we also had another rule when we would go soul winning in Cyprus was if someone is smoking, give them the gospel, because there were so many people that are just kind of hanging
out smoking.
And it seemed like whenever somebody was smoking, they kind of just had a few minutes to kill and they're just kind of like standing by themselves bored outside of a restaurant or something smoking.
So we'd be like hey that guy smoking let's go talk to that guy. And so we just we went after the smokers went after the young dudes.
Pretty much, it was like 15 to 25 because the problem is under 15, and they didn't really understand the Greek New Testament, because, because the Greek New Testament is is written an older form of Greek.
Yeah. And so, if you talk to like junior high age. Sometimes they just hadn't really read enough Greek or learned enough Greek to be able to understand but all the everybody 15 and up understood every word that we showed them in that in the Greek New Testament
like it was no issue.
So that was cool but and then we and but we were also preaching to Romanians in, you know, in Greece, Bulgarians, and you know okay that was a little bit of a tangent, but all that to say this, you know, people in Cyprus were like disillusioned with the Orthodox
Church the young people knew there's something wrong with the Orthodox Church, but they didn't know what the truth is.
And that's, that's kind of how my wife was growing up in Germany where she left the Catholic Church as a teenager and rejected it.
But then she just sort of became an agnostic because she didn't really know there was an alternative she just thought Christianity is just Catholic or Lutheran, she didn't really know that there's anything else out there and so and so it's your guys's
job to basically show people that the Word of God is here the Bible is here, it's clear about what it takes to be saved, it's not what the Catholic Church is saying it's not what the Lutheran Church is saying, and in Germany I mean Luther and
Catholic is virtually in 2022 they're virtually the same thing.
Am I right, I mean how different are they.
Yeah, they're not very different I mean they're very ecumenical and try to, you know, try to avoid any differences, you know, around the year 2000 I saw a news article when I was in Germany that said like that the Catholics and the Lutheran leadership
in Germany got together, and they've just kind of agreed that the Protestant Reformation was all just kind of a big misunderstanding.
Well, to be honest really in Germany I don't know why there is a division between the Catholics and the Lutherans they're all the same.
I mean, you come across when you go to the church they're all wearing this long robes doing the same child baptism and stuff like that and they're singing in the church Oh the priest of God be with you.
And when you come across Christians on the street. I mean, sometimes I don't even like different Catholic or Protestant or free church they're all giving the same answers.
You know they don't know whether they're stable.
It's like a false dichotomy. It's like Coke versus Pepsi Republicans Democrats, you know, white magic black magic.
You know, it's all of the devil.
Catholics.
The Lutherans are just like Catholic light in America, but in Germany, they're, they're probably not even Catholic light, they're just Catholic, pretty much, I mean, and, and let me tell you this I'll just say this the Baptists in Germany are worse,
especially the those who belong to this AFK bun, the baptism reminder. They have women preaching, I mean I've almost all the Baptist churches there are women preachers women pastors women and there's, for example, the Catholics, even the Roman Catholics
don't allow that.
Yeah, there's about right next door they have this flyer saying that Jesus meets yoga and stuff like that.
Right. And I think the people who are trying to be a little more conservative are the brethren churches, mostly, but aren't now aren't the brethren churches.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Aren't they kind of a dispensational thing like they're kind of falling Darby or something.
Yes, they're very dispensational from from the history. But nowadays, a lot of brethren churches got away from extreme dispensationalism.
They're more like the old IFP photos. Yeah, because the old IFP is dispensational but they don't take it to these like heretical extremes, right, like, because not everybody who's dispensational is a heretic because, you know, a lot of virtually
99% of old IFP churches are dispensational but there, but where I think it crosses over into like a damnable heresy is where they're teaching like, Oh, you used to be saved by works and you're going to be saved by works in the future.
And in the tribulation it's going to be by works and stuff. To me, that just seems like a fundamental misunderstanding of the gospel because if you could be saved by works back then, and you can be saved by works in the future, like so how does that where you'd be
saved by a filthy rag.
Because I thought our righteousnesses are as a as filthy rags, like how could a filthy rag save you in any era. It's absurd.
You know, but anyway, but but yeah, that's good to hear that, that a lot of the brethren churches aren't, you know, they're not to those extremes. Thankfully,
but they're they're very watered down. That's the problem. Very water. They are.
But but but I would say, don't go to a Baptist church in Germany, mostly.
Look for a brother in church, because if they're part of part of this Baptist denomination in Germany, then they're super liberal. Obviously there are like independent fundamental Baptist missionaries from America that are that are pretty cool though right.
But just don't go to the native Baptist churches.
Yeah, better off, you'd be better off at the brethren church.
Right. Yeah, that makes sense.
So unfortunately, you got it. I mean, you got a great crew of people over there, but unfortunately you guys are kind of spread out all over Germany so you're not really concentrated in one place to where you could like found a church locally.
And obviously in the long run, you know, that's what we want to see happen is, is, you know, churches being established, but you got to walk before you can run. And so, you know, you guys are off to a great start.
Basically, you know, starting from scratch, and at least, you know, building the coalition, doing the soul winning, getting people saved, getting people involved, you know, hopefully down the road this can metastasize into some local churches.
But I mean, you guys are off to a great start. And, you know, you guys have already been doing a lot of great work over the last few years for the Lord and for our church and and we want to also make it official that basically our church is backing you guys that
basically, you know, we're working with you, you guys are like a ministry of our church, Faithful Word Baptist Church, and that, you know, Anselm is our representative over in Germany. He's our guy, you know, and so we support you.
And, and, you know, we sanction you. And, you know, eventually, you know, we want to make that official because we want to, we want to get you ordained as an evangelist, so that you and basically give you the authority to baptize people over there so that you can
get some of these converts baptized. And, and stuff like that. Because, you know, Germany is a dark place spiritually and really needs the light of the gospel to shine is near and dear to my heart, you know, because I spent four months over there, doing missions myself back in the day.
And my wife is from there. So obviously, it's, it's, it's close to my heart.
Yeah, in the light of all the persecution brother Anselm was going through, I thought it would be great if, you know, a spiritual church, a spiritual pastor would back him up because as a friend and brother I want him to continue to preach hard, you know, I want to preach
him without boldness so we can all, it will also be good for us to get behind them and support him. Amen. More spiritually uplifting. Yeah. Well, I just wish that I just wish that people in the US would be able to hear that sermon that Anselm preached because
because he was ripping some face.
But unfortunately, unfortunately there's a language barrier so you know the Americans aren't going to be able to.
I'm sorry, what'd you say.
I would dub it in English.
You guys spend so much time dubbing English stuff into German and then this one needs to go the other way this is going to be face ripping sermon dubbed back into English you've come full circle.
Yeah, why not.
But yeah, yeah that sermon really, really got some people fired up and.
But you know what, that kind of preaching is straight out of the Bible, I mean, I've been in my own personal study I've been spent a lot of time in the prophets.
I'm doing the Ezekiel series on Wednesday nights at faithful word I've been studying the minor prophets, a lot and man, it's so negative like there's so much negative preaching and and look, I love preaching the positive stuff and I've got a lot of positive
And we go out soul winning we're constantly talking about the love of God and the love of Christ and salvation by grace and there's so many positive things in the Bible but man there's some really hard things in the Bible and you know you can't just pick and choose.
I mean, you know, you got to take the hard stuff with the grace.
And so that sermon that you preached I mean that, you know, you got to preach on sin. This is what this what we're called to do.
So exactly, you know,
well announce them you definitely have the aptitude to preach that you definitely have that ability, you know, you have a God given ability for that so I hope you'll continue to use that for the Lord.
Thanks.
And you have the devil what so brother Moses What other films have you dubbed into German.
Oh, well, my first project was marching design, right.
Back then I didn't have a really good equipment. So I different way then I did it again recently, because now I have good microphones and stuff like that.
And the thing is right from my childhood I had to add this talent to mimic voices.
I can do a different bit of voice.
Actually, the article that they're the road against arms and they said, Oh, there are like unknown people working behind it.
Really, really all you.
It's all you just using different voices.
Yeah.
And I doubt.
Right now I'm dubbing the New World Order Bible versions in German.
We're trying to get the German people understand what King James only only is a mess and why King James Bible, although it's not German. Why is it important.
Yeah, and it's not like it's not like you're trying to get Germans to use a King James, you're just trying to get you're just trying to get them to read one of the older German Bibles, one of the traditional German Bibles, like say a schlock der Bible or, you know, old Martin Luther Bible before they before they came out with this new Martin Luther 1984 or whatever version.
So, you know, there's just a lot of bozos that will lie and say that as King James only is you know we believe that they have to read it in English or something.
Right.
That's total baloney because obviously we want the German people to hear the word of God in their own German tongue.
It says we don't want them to be reading the German equivalent of the NIV.
Right, right.
So that's the current project.
I also dubbed your documentary The Truth About Hinduism. Oh, cool. Yeah. Right. And I took a lot of other material from other sermons I made it a lot more extensive than your original English documentary.
Oh, nice.
Yeah, and it connected with, with how Hinduism is influencing the modern churches today the charismatic movement and stuff like that.
All this like new age stuff, it's not, there's nothing new about it. It's just like a, it's like Hinduism repackaged for white people.
Right. That's what it is. That's what color charismatic movement is all about. And I just listened to a couple of your sermons, added it in, made it a documentary for the German people I think in one of the channels that's getting almost more than 1000 views I believe till now.
Yeah.
Yeah, it does. So where do, so where do people go to, to hook up with you guys like, like let's say, let's say people are in other parts of Europe, or they're Germany, or whatever, is there like a website where they go to find out about like soul winning events
that are coming up or anything.
Yeah, definitely. So you could go to soulwinning.de or sehlengevinen.de in German.
Both domains to exist.
And you could also go to soul-winning.club to find a lot of other soul winning clubs around Europe.
What was that, what comes after the dot?
Club, like the soul winning club.
Oh, club like C-U-L-U-B or C-L-U-B club?
Yeah.
Okay.
N-I-F-B.de.
There we go. All right.
Yes.
Well, that's awesome. And then, and then, is that where they, where do they go to hear the sermon if they happen to speak German?
You could go to weg, hyphen, weg minos zum minos zermel.de for the German viewers.
Yeah.
So we don't have an English domain.
Yeah. And, and, and again, for those that are German, we, we did an interview earlier today in the German language.
And so that's, you know, be sure to listen to that interview that we did in German.
Anything else you guys want to say before we're done?
Well, I'd like to say thank you for the support.
You know, it's really amazing to us how far we have come.
Amen. Well, I'm, I'm really impressed with what you guys are doing.
You guys are, you guys are killing it.
You're awesome.
Moses, any, anything you want to add?
No, I just want to say thanks for the ignition. You know, I've been searching for a, you know, a pastor who preaches from the Bible for a long time and finally found the NIV pastors doing that.
And it's a privilege to be able to use all the dub, all your documentaries without copyright issues and stuff like that.
So thank you for that. And thank you for being with us, standing behind us.
That's a great motivation for us that would definitely bring us up onto our next level.
And it would open us up for new challenges, of course.
And, you know, we depend on God to carry us through so that his word will prevail and many more people in Germany would get saved.
And not only that, that heart preaching would become a norm and more people would get serious about serving God. Yeah.
Amen. Yeah, it only takes a few people, you know, to really fire things up, you know.
Don't underestimate the power that 9, 10, 11 people can have. I mean, look at, look at the apostles of Christ.
Right. I mean, they turned the world upside down.
So, you know, God can really use a few people that are serious and I appreciate you guys being willing to stick your neck out, you know, and risk prison risk deportation, you know, risk, losing your your vast wealth that you've stored up.
And so, you know, because honestly, you know, our life is a vapor.
And only, you know, only what we do for the Lord is really going to matter in the end. And so you guys have made a wise decision by sacrificing for the Lord.
It's, you know, he's going to repay you, he's going to, he's going to reward you big time. And so I appreciate your work. Keep it up, guys.
And with that, God bless you.
Thank you so much. God bless.