Amen. Okay so I want to focus specifically on verse 15 there, so 1st
Timothy chapter 3 and verse 15 which reads, but if I tarry long that thou mayest
know how thou ought'st to behave thyself in the house of God, which is a church of
the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. And the title of my sermon
today is how to be a good church member, how to be a good church member. Let's go
to the Lord in a word of prayer. Father I thank you for your word, I thank you for
this church. Please help us to all just have attentive ears, attentive hearts. Help
me to preach boldly, to preach what you want me to preach here and for
people to just to listen and act upon the things that your word says today.
In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Okay so I'm not, this isn't to re-preach a
sermon that was posted on our group the other day, although that is a great
sermon. I'd recommend anyone to listen to that and it's not just you
know to be a lecturer either because something I was thinking about when I
was thinking about this topic at church and how we behave in church, how we act
in church, how we be good members in churches. Let's have a show of hands, who
actually grew up here in an IFB church? Not one person in the whole church grew
up in an IFB church. Who grew up in a Baptist Church? Not one person grew up in
a Baptist Church. Who grew up in any church? A few people, several around and
church we use, you know we're using inverted commas here. Okay so few people
that handful of people have grown up in a church at all. Who's been going to a
proper church for over ten years? No one? For five years? Okay one, two, three years.
Just about okay again handful of people in this whole church. So let's be honest
everyone here is relatively new to this aren't they? So everyone in this whole
church is relatively new to this so but regardless of being new to this
being a part of a church, being part of a proper church, being a regular part of
a church, you don't have to say no but Numbers 15 15 says one ordinance shall
be both for you of the congregation also for the stranger that sojourneth with
you an ordinance forever in your generation as ye are so shall the
stranger be before the Lord. So regardless of what inexperience most
people have here we should still all behave the same way shouldn't we? Okay we
should behave and we should act and we should be the church member that God
wants us to be yeah. Okay now this sermon is to lay out what's expected okay
because like I said a lot of people probably don't really might be sitting
and thinking I don't really know I think I'm doing things right because it's one
thing listening to sermons online it's another thing to know exactly how we
should behave how we should act things we should and shouldn't do in a church
yeah and everyone's at different levels of that so this sermon is to lay that
out so it's a bit of a different sermon I don't think there's anything
necessarily groundbreaking here but I'm just gonna preach what what I know that
myself and Pastor Thompson want from this church and how we want people to
behave and then it's up to you whether or not you want to act on that it may
tread on some toes okay so this sermon is probably going to tread on most toes
at some point during it because I'm you know no one here is perfect there's
going to be people and some some people probably have all ten toes trodden on
and some some might have just the little pinky toe yeah but either way the trick
is is to listen yeah and to want to act on it because this is important stuff
for this church to function properly yeah why is it important because
without some ground rules some do's and don'ts in a church we end up like the
book of Judges don't we and in fact it's mentioned twice you don't have to turn
there again but in both Judges 17 6 and Judges 21 25 it reads in those days
there was no king in Israel but every man did that which was right in his own
eyes how did that go for them not so well there are some pretty crazy stuff
going on in the book of Judges isn't there okay what's right in your eyes is
different to someone else's isn't it okay so what's right in someone's eyes
here is completely different to someone else's eyes there different someone
else's eyes there okay so it can't be what's right in your eyes can it for a
church to run well can it okay that's not going to work so let's start with
the basics then let's start with the basics of fundamentals and all I say
here as well you know make some mental notes if there's something you're a bit
unsure on and look this this sermon I would also probably encourage when we do
get new believers and other people come encourage them to listen to this because
this is just going to set down what we expect out of this church and look you
know we're what are we ten months in now coming up to ten months okay so look
after this sermon there shouldn't be any reason after that not to not to be able
to act upon some of this okay okay right so the basics the fundamentals are we
just another Baptist Church here no we're not another Baptist Church are we
what what what are we because there are a lot of Baptist churches in South End
aren't there a lot of Baptist Union I think they call them a lot of these
these so-called Baptist churches but as we know they're not even churches really
are they in God's eyes okay we're not another Baptist Church we're an
independent fundamental Baptist Church okay and again some people yeah we're
saved yeah this is a church we go to but do they really know what that is what's
the difference what is an independent fundamental Baptist Church and I'll deal
with a new bit in a minute okay but let's just go with the basics we're an
independent fundamental Baptist Church we are independent now obviously we are
a satellite Church okay and we we are a church plant of our past eventually we
will be completely independent but until then we are a satellite plant of an
independent Church okay so we come under the umbrella of an independent Church
okay that means we're also independent from other NIFB churches okay so
remember that when you're here we're not we're not you know we are independent of
whatever your favorite churches and how they do things okay we're an
independent Church Shaw Foundation Baptist Church is independent we're a
fundamental Church okay we're a fundamental Baptist Church basically we
believe the Bible we believe the Bible in this church the fundamentals of the
Bible and again this for most people shouldn't even be an issue but such as
salvation is grace through faith yeah okay we believe that in this church we
know obviously verses like Ephesians 2 8 and 9 for by grace he saved through
faith that not of yourselves it is a gift of God not of works as any man
should boast not of yourself that means no turning from sin no trying not to sin
none of that that's got nothing to do with salvation we should do that of
course but it's got nothing to do with salvation obviously everyone understands
that but with that obviously is once saved always saved that just goes that's
exactly the same isn't it okay because without once saved always saved you don't
believe in grace through faith to you because it doesn't matter whether works
or are before or after its works isn't it okay obviously words verses like John
10 to 8 and I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish neither
shall any man pluck them out of my hand yeah my father which gave them is great
them at all and no man is able to pluck them out of my father's hand okay we
believe these verses we believe the Bible don't we in this church we believe
the fundamentals and it starts with salvation but to be a good church member
here it obviously starts with being saved doesn't it okay obviously starts
with being saved and look we're gonna get unsaved people in here okay and
that's par for the course and of course we wouldn't we've got no problem with
unsaved people coming here obviously we want to give them the gospel when
they're here okay we're gonna have unsaved people coming in here what we
want to watch out for is heretic so don't we okay because an heretic of the
first and second and initial reject and of course we will admonish them first we
will try and show them but that's what we're looking out for is heretics here
again we're not on a witch hunt we're not trying to you know keep checking
each other and everything else but being a good church member obviously means not
preaching a false gospel okay obviously means that okay and obviously means just
just keeping your ear out for that and when you hear someone doing that not to
you know because it will happen with time won't it there will be someone
there will be some some issue come up with time it means it's coming straight
to the leadership about that yeah okay and obviously if you're in conversation
admonish them yeah but come to the leadership it's not well well you know
well I can't get on with them or they're quite and they're probably just a bit
muddled up obviously I spoke about this last week okay this is the fundamentals
that's the first part of being being an independent fundamental Baptist we
believe in the we believe the gospel don't we okay okay right we believe as
a fundamental Baptist Church of the King James Bible is he inspired preserved
inerrant words of God don't we okay we believe that here I don't I hope no one
is here thinking well it's you know it's an okay translation probably could have
improved on a few places you know because there was some scholar that said
that actually we you know those 47 plus you know 47 maybe once said whittled it
down men of God actually or maybe not many God but but I tell you what great
translators with some great knowledge oh well they got this bit wrong look God's
clearly preserved his word hasn't he okay preserved his word in English for
us at the King James Bible isn't it okay we believe that here obviously again
verses like Psalm 12 verse 6 the words the Lord of pure words as silver tried
in the furnace purified seven times thou shalt keep them o Lord thou shalt preserve
them from this generation forever we believe God when he said he preserve his
word okay we don't know well we believe it's inspired in the originals but we
don't believe the preservation part no God said he'd preserve it okay we
believe him that's that's part being an independent fundamental Baptist Church
yeah we believe God okay we believe the fundamentals of the Bible to be a good
church member here obviously you're not going to start going back to the Greek
are you okay you're not going to start coming into church and going well
actually when you look at the Greek this one should have actually said that
because you've got some sort of you know some sort of Greek lexicon somewhere
or something else okay if you come to our church and again like I said I don't
think anyone here would have this issue but if you come to our church with a
false Bible perversion we will happily swap it for you and we will happily bin
or if you'd like burn it in the car park as well your false Bible okay we will
happily do that and and when people do come in again it's not to shout them or
anything else just ushers especially offer them a real Bible yeah have a
little glance at the spine you know because again with time we're gonna have
people coming in here and and again we don't want anyone sitting there with an
NIV NASV RSV you name it whatever perversion it is we don't want them
sitting there with that in this church although saying it could be a nice
exercise in showing how false it is to go through some verse but anyway we
don't want that okay so we believe that turn to Acts chapter 5 Acts chapter 5
in this church we go door-to-door soul winning don't we okay we knock on doors
and we preach the gospel Acts 5 42 says and daily in the temple and in every
house they cease not to teach and preach Jesus Christ so a good church member
will regularly go so winning okay a good church member will regularly go so
winning will want to go so many and when they don't want to go so so winning will
still go so winning won't they okay that's how a good church member should
behave okay but with that guys try and try and I understand some people live
some distances some people have some some things where they can't but try if
you can to get on board with the set so winning times okay because if look fine
if you can't make you can't do I much prefer you go so winning than don't but
if you can make one of those times sometimes it might be one person on their
own then can't go so winning or at least he's going out on their own which isn't
the biblical way and is it so easy and it's not going to be as effective
because someone decides well I just prefer this time I'll meet up with my
buddy and go at that time yeah so try and go with it if you can't you can't do
it I prefer you to go I prefer you to go so winning the not if you can make some
of the times or make a way to make the times it's also it's nice to support
other people so winning it's nice to have that time together to encourage
each other so we have them on the bulletin we have set times if you can
make them work please make them work if you can't you can't okay that's the way
it goes but I just hope we don't get to a point where people like yeah not
really that I don't know I don't know about that I prefer to just go my mate
down here you know because then you might be leaving someone out who's
sitting there on their own who can't go now yeah okay so try and try and get on
board the sole winning times visitors and newcomers okay and I was saying this
the other week and again some of this is just new to people I don't think we
should just be going up to somebody's first time in a church going are you
going so winning would you like to go so winning okay for me wait for them to
ask that we're all going it's pretty obvious we've got so many times that I
read through the bulletin every time we make it clear we go at 1 p.m. people
arrange and be able to go but but let's let them ask you want them to want to go
okay and to what not once they start feeling pressured then you'll get people
not coming to church because if I come this church they're just gonna force me
going they might literally just be said they might not just be say but they
might find that a bit you know that might be a big hurdle for them to cross
but with time they're gonna hear the preaching they're gonna see people going
they're gonna be inspired by other people doing it okay so let's not let's
not question you people so so many captains please don't go up to new
people and ask them if they're going wait for them to come to you okay if
they want to come they're gonna come up or they're gonna ask someone okay how do
I go so winning if someone asked that again if you're talking to a new person
don't just try and force them out so winning okay wait for them to want to
show it show an interest to want to do that okay um Turner John chapter 3 we're
an independent fundamental Baptist Church we baptize here in water okay we
baptize here in water look at John chapter 3 and verse 23 John 3 23 and
John also was baptizing in a non near to Salem because there was much water there
and they came and were baptized why was he baptized there because there was much
water okay it wasn't so that he could just sprinkle a million people okay
there was much water there because we believe in immersion okay baptism by
immersion now on that a good we believe that if you're saved you should get
baptized we don't believe it has anything to a salvation but we believe
that you should get baptized so if you're saved a good church member will
get baptized okay and if look if you've been baptized when you were unsaved
then I believe you need to get baptized again okay I think it's pretty clear
it's baptism after belief so if you've been baptized at some look look and if
you might be sin they go well I think I'll just you know just well that maybe
I was saved but look if you're not sure to get baptized okay there's nothing
wrong with that but God commands you to get baptized isn't it so if you're at
this church and you haven't been baptized and you're saved then come and
talk to me and we'd like to baptize you okay good church member will get
baptized and obviously will encourage other people to get baptized yeah okay
turn of Romans chapter 12 I know this is a bit of a Bible flick here and a lot of
individual verses but there's a lot of points to cover here in the time so turn
of Romans chapter 12 we sing traditional hymns of the faith in this
church yeah Romans 12 and verse 2 says and be not conform to this world but be
ye transformed by the renewing of your mind that ye may prove what is that good
and acceptable and perfect will of God so obviously don't come to church and
start requesting your favorite contemporary Christian rock song or
something else along those lines yeah and again I don't think we've had that
but you haven't had that yet but but obviously don't do that okay so so we
don't believe in being conformed to the world we believe in traditional hymns of
the faith yeah for us the doctrine is very important isn't it in the hymns and
just on that as well because hopefully it won't come soon but but if you do end
up needing a funeral at some point yeah there won't be my way being played at
your funeral all right or any of the rest of it well everyone sits and croons
along to some old you know some old jazz favorite or anything else that you know
and same with weddings I've been talking about this a bit with weddings okay
look it's pretty simple if you want an independent fundamental Baptist Church
wedding as our church will do it yeah and again any any you know kids take
note to this as you get older as well look it's traditional hymns okay or it's
traditional wedding March and tradition and that's it okay they're the options
okay so don't start you know sending lots of different contemporary songs or
anything else okay that's not how it works or you can do your own your own
wedding look we don't agree with that sort of music so we're not going to do
that at a church wedding okay so we sing traditional hymns of the faith here as
well okay that's part of us being an independent fundamental Baptist Church
okay turn to 2nd Timothy 4 we believe in biblical preaching here turn to 2nd
Timothy chapter 4 and verse 2 the Bible reads preach the word be instant in
season out of season reprove rebuke exhort with all long-suffering and
doctrine so we believe in preaching the Word of God we believe in preaching it
here okay it's not all just a little kind of seminar or something else we
believe in preaching okay as Timothy was clearly instructed by Paul under the
inspiration of the Holy Spirit but that means you're going to get rebuked and
reproved sometimes okay that's what happens when you come to a church where
there's preaching you're going to get rebuked you're going to get reproved you
need to deal with it okay look I'm not expecting look a good church member will
be able to deal with that okay and to be honest to progressive life you need to
be able to deal with that I'm not expecting high fives after the sermon
by by someone whose toes have been trodden on okay look you know it'd be
nice if you did but I'm not expecting that you don't have to be fake about it
but I would hope that within a short amount of time you're gonna get over you
know the kind of the feeling of offense or anything else because God's Word does
that does it cuts to the heart sometimes yeah okay but you should you know good
church members able to deal with that aren't they able to deal with that and
move on from that and understand and not to not not get offended and not feel
like it's just on at me look I'm just preaching the Bible I'm preaching what I
see needs preaching in the church okay and and you know I I hope and pray that
you know that the Holy Spirit fills me when I preach as well I'm preaching what
the Holy Spirit wants as well okay so look it with that as well though it's
preaching it's not a Q&A forum okay so just remember that look look it's we're
Baptist here yeah we're independent fundamental Baptist it's nice when you
preach it here's some agreement here's some Amen's and and other such things
don't start trying to get too involved to the point where you're questioning
and pulling up new things in the preacher can I'm not saying you know I'm
not saying we've necessarily had that but just just bear that in mind because
it can be it you know you want to try preaching you know week in week out our
sermons and it you know there can be distractions when you preach and it can
be hard if someone suddenly just pulls out a question in the middle of you
preach or something else so agree sure but it's not a Q&A forum okay this isn't
this is this is someone preaching to you okay and that's same whoever whoever
preached in the future as well and with that as well with distractions look I'll
say it again lateness when you're preaching okay when you preach again
suddenly someone walks in you could be in the middle of a thought and it can
distract you for that second on that as well you know what also distracts you
and you know you'll find this men as you start to preach more in the future when
you're preaching and then someone two three or whoever walks in halfway
through a quarter of the way through they might just miss some really
important point which explained your next points and in your mind it starts
going through your mind well they don't they haven't heard the beginning of that
point you know and then it can make you just feel a little bit off sometimes a
bit like do I need to go over that again now and you look lateness is a is an
issue okay and and look you know you're being preached to here if you miss part
of a sermon you could be missing a vital part which explains the rest sermon
can't you okay so please like it look it's not it's it's 1030 it's not the
crack of dawn okay okay with that as well because we have what we have here
is we we we have a buzzer for people that are late that means that the
ushers now missing part of the sermon as well okay so whoever's going down and
and opening the doors it look again before I carry on with this I understand
there can be emergencies it could be problems it can be issues okay and look
the odd one-off thing is one thing but if you're regularly late look you need
to sort that out because basically you're missing out part of sermon you're
distracting me you're you're making you know you're you're at least distracting
me if not starting to change bits of sermon thinking about you know your mind
starts racing while you preach it and of course the person that's having to let
you in as well okay and and it could distract many it's not sort of church
where you can just sneak in the back and even then you're missing out okay and
look as a preacher you see it all okay right okay um on that as well you'd by
the way yeah and by the way cuz I'm gonna explain a few things in a minute
anyway you know there are churches that lock the doors once the sermon starts
there are there are many churches I like for I heard a preacher not long ago
talking about when he turned up late to preach and got locked out and the usher
wouldn't I don't care who you are and he's like well you know you don't care
you know you're not coming in shut the door walked off said it you know that's
a rule here okay so that he ended up not preaching the sermon because he was
locked out of that church okay look some churches are strictly that and I've been
our old IFB churches where look if you if they hear a pin drop you see I'm
looking around like your kid even like just coughs in the sermon and they're
like they're starting to get a bit distracted and wound up by it let alone
people just piling in and walking in and ushers getting up and opening doors okay
so look look really need to sort that out yeah like I said if it's an
emergency if there's a one-off there can be issues as traffic I know people
travel from far but please try your best for that okay okay turn to first
Timothy chapter 2 first Timothy chapter 2 okay we believe in the men preaching
and teaching in the church okay we believe in the men preaching and
teaching the church turn to first Jim Timothy to him from verse 11 where the
Bible reads let the woman learn in silence with all subjection but I
suffer not a woman to teach not to usurp authority over the man but to be in
silence for Adam was first formed then Eve and Adam was not deceived but the
woman being deceived was in the transgression okay with that as well
silence that means not calling out in the preaching women okay that means not
calling out however much you just want to get involved however much you feel
that burning desire to shout aloud a.m. amen or something else it means not
calling out in the preaching okay that's what you know you and and look
you might think why why can't a woman because look some people will will amen
potluck and you know people are amen points which and I'm not saying they
will but that can kind of make a bit of a point carne okay they're basically
showing their support they're almost teaching themselves to a small degree on
that point sometimes well and it's not just a men's and other things they might
call out for a point which wasn't maybe a point to a member they want to amen
that point to highlight that point to everyone else they really agree with
that or something else look that is a minor small amount of teaching women
aren't to teach okay in the church okay they're to learn in silence so a good
church member a good female church member isn't trying to test it well what
what can I say or what could I just call out no just just keep quiet keep quiet
and ask your husband afterwards okay it's pretty simple isn't it we just
follow the Bible we believe the fundamentals of the Bible okay and it
might not jive with today but we don't care do we because we're independent
fundamental Baptists amen okay so that doesn't mean no women that doesn't mean
that once you're out of these four walls there's now time to make up for okay
that doesn't mean now I'm outside of here and now I can start teaching the
church and look there's a danger that was social media isn't there okay
because there's a danger that where women then decide right now I'm outside
the church now I could start posting stuff on the social media on the group
chats everything else things that I want people to listen to things that look
you're teaching okay I don't agree with it I don't like it and and we women are
not to teach okay and that thing that's in the church the church of the
congregation isn't it oh yeah you're outside these four walls now you can
teach everyone okay now it's time to start telling you and teaching doctrine
and teaching this and telling people what you they shouldn't listen to you
know the Bible says not to teach okay it's pretty simple isn't it okay men
look we as men and husbands here look sometimes you have to you have to
explain that to your wife okay and we to be a good leader you have to you have
to make it clear to them that look that that's what has to happen in the church
and as a congregation okay that's pretty obvious right turn to Deuteronomy 22
Deuteronomy chapter 22 there are clothing standards in our church okay
there are clothing standards in our church Deuteronomy 22 and verse 5 says a
woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man neither shall a
man put on a woman's garment for all that do so of abomination unto the Lord
thy God right we don't have a rule where the usher won't let in a person if
they're if they're dressed like a man yeah and that's what wearing trousers
and jeans and whatever it is is is dressing like a man ladies okay we're
not gonna we're not gonna ban someone for coming here but please a good church
member wouldn't test the boundaries would they okay good church member is
like oh well let's see what I could get away with you know let's see what I can
push while I'm here let's see you know because we believe that women should
adorn themselves in modest apparel don't we here as well so don't women come here
thinking well let's see how much I can push that and what what look that's not
a good church member is it okay good church member just just listens to the
listens to what the Bible says listen to the rules that but sorry not rules but
this is standards that we want to keep at this church no we get a new person
we're not gonna say anything yeah especially new believers etc people
that have been at other churches okay they don't understand that because a lot
of time they haven't really had the word of God preached them have they okay but
we believe and if we set the standard here people quickly realize won't they
okay look you know we don't want to show nakedness that means women not skirts up
above your knees that means that we don't want to be flaunting you know try
trying to basically have people staring at us okay and same with men here as
well you know let's just have some standards when we come here men yeah
let's just dress dress smart and come to church yeah basically in the house of
God yeah the pillar and ground of the truth and look again there's no dress
code but for me I look long before I was preaching I wanted to dress smart I've
always dressed smart when I go to church okay now look if you don't want to you
don't want to that that's up to you yeah but look there's certain things that we
don't want to see okay and obviously that's going to be nakedness that's
going to be provocative clothing etc okay and look if you can't afford
clothing that's fine we're not going to judge people for that are we okay that's
clear James too I think says that clearly doesn't it we're not going to
say oh well we don't want that person here because they can't afford smart
clothing but look you know a lot of the time people will come in in very
unsmart clothing which is quite expensive isn't it okay and we just want
to encourage that we courage that by the way we behave so on that as well if you
want to help out in the church ushers money collect money collecting the Bible
and obviously some song leading as well then you need to wear a tie okay
fortunately we had a nice offering by by brother Dan a while back we got a box
all sorts of time some are a little bit dodgy there's a few all right ones in
there aren't there boys yeah so um look if you need a tie you haven't got a tie
please put one on but if you know we just want to keep those standards up
when we're when you're doing a job in the church I'm not saying everyone has
to wear tie if they come to church but if you're doing one of those particular
jobs in the church and we want you to wear a tie yeah make it clear that
you're that you're you know basically part of the team at that point yeah and
part then the team of this church wears wears a tie okay right they're all for
me they're all classic independent fundamental Baptist you know church do's
and don't or mainly dues there aren't they and how we behave how what we
believe in everything else yeah take away like that shouldn't have anything
to do with whether you're what you call a new IFP or old IFP or anything else
they should be saying now obviously there are some wicked church something
that had just gone into liberalism and and have lost half of that and I was at
a church which claimed to be an independent fundamental Baptist Church
and they had like a prayer thing where this you know every time the pastor's
wife was praying 10-minute prayers doctrine and all sorts in there like
that's wicked yeah the Bible's clear about that isn't it but but you know
usually that stuff you should find in most independent fundamental Baptist
churches but we've obviously we also feel you know as what we would describe
as new independent fundamental Baptist we believe that that we've improved on
some things as well haven't we okay because things can always be improved
can't they and this one though is something that was in successful IFP
churches excuse me so this was in successful independent fundamental and
still in so if a church is successful this this needs to be for me the format
okay but sadly it's something that's becoming rarer now when you look around
these churches and so this is more distinctive now with new independent
fundamental Baptist churches and that is if you turn to Hebrews chapter 13 we
believe in a pastor led church okay we believe in a pastor led church here we
believe in strong leadership okay we we don't have some sort of committee we
don't have the members voting with things in and out of the church that's
not that's not how it works in our sort of church okay and look many people have
been to probably spent time at other church that do things other ways yeah
that where the deacons basically decide what in essence what is and isn't
preached okay they'll have a group or they call them the elders and they
basically tell the pastor what you should and shouldn't do that's not how
it works in our sort of church okay so Hebrews 13 in verse 7 says remember them
which have the rule over you who have spoken unto you the Word of God whose
faith follow considering the end of their conversation right no just say
that they have the rule over you okay they have the rule over you this is in
the church and obviously when it comes to church matters okay we're not this
isn't in your homes this isn't in your jobs yeah I'll preach stuff which which
I believe you should implement in your home and in your jobs but I have no no
I have no ruling there okay but but here remember them which have the rule of you
when you come to this church you're coming under the rule of our pastor
pastor Thompson okay when you come into this building and when you come to church
and when you're anything to do with church matters you're under the rule of
our pastor pastor Thompson okay that's pretty clear and when he's not present
me okay okay I'm I'm the man on the ground as he describes it I'm leading
this church of ruling this church look oh he's getting so puffed up no that's
what the Bible says yeah I'm in this church for pastor Thompson okay when
he's not here and sadly he lives in the States well maybe not sad for him but
so he's not here most of the time okay now you might sit here and think yeah
look we get it brother in you know pastor Thompson's decided the church
service format you preach the sermons print the bulletins set the dates yeah
we get it okay but being a good church member by submitting to leadership is
more than that isn't it okay it's more than just well okay we come here and we
sit through and we put up with what he does you know Hebrews 13 17 so you're in
Hebrew searching go to verse 17 where it says obey them that have the rule over
you and submit yourselves for they watch for your souls as they that must give
account that they may do it with joy and not with grief for that is unprofitable
for you okay notice those words obey and submit there okay you see those words
there obey them that have the rule over you and submit yourselves the ones that
us husbands love to remind our wives about those words obey and submit yeah
okay we're told to submit ourselves so those that have the rule over us okay
look you might say oh this is a bit strong you know what do you mean submit
well and you might be sitting here thinking I oh well I'm a bit of a rebel
though you know I'm not used to being submissive you know because I'm too much
of a man to submit to someone you know well then get right with God yeah get
right with God if you can't submit to leadership okay because that means
you're the problem it's not it's not anything else you're the problem first
Samuel 15 23 says you don't have to turn this is for rebellion is as a sin of
witchcraft and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry because as reject
the word of the Lord he has also rejected thee from being king obviously
talking to Saul there Samuel but look Saul is a good example is that of
someone that messed up that's the same man of God that did some wicked wicked
things didn't he okay and that starts with rebellion and rebelling and not
being able to submit to leadership is a problem no one's looking at you going
oh what a strong guy you know you know people are looking at you thinking what
a poor Christian what a poor church member if you can't submit you need to
sort yourselves out you need to get right with God okay because it's a big
problem it's a big problem in churches and that's why so many churches have
failed today because people won't submit to the leadership and the leadership
won't try and instill it because they just want to be everyone's mate
everyone's buddy I don't really want to you know offend people or anything else
no that's not how a church runs there has to be leadership in every area of
your life doesn't there okay now with that how does that work then in a church
because okay this isn't a marriage yeah I'm not saying that you have to cook my
dinners or anything else you know though the odd one wouldn't hurt no but okay
I'm not saying that am I what am I saying then well firstly let's make sure
that people are addressed properly in our church okay so our pastor is called
pastor Thompson or pastor Aaron Thompson yeah notice the word pastor and that
includes other pastors okay so when you refer to pastors a good start is make
sure you use the right term so don't just talk to that like refer them as
their surname like like these reprobates do online that just cannot address them
as their proper address name is that show them the respect that they have
earned by these men have earns and I believe they've earned a lot of respect
and you know what I've gone I've been this under some pretty bad pastors and
I've still called them pastor okay pastor pastor this pastor that that's
how we show respect to start with I'm either brother Ian or brother taverna
okay I'm not I'm not you know mate or you know what Ian or bro or anything
else I'm brother in a brother taverna okay because I'm your leader at this
church and it will help you get get that your head around that okay in this church
so let again look these are things some of you might not have known this is what
how we want it going forward okay speak to me then with that respect obviously
speak to our past with that respect and that goes for kids by the way too okay
so any of you kids if I'm gonna and look when you come into this church and I say
hello to you and I greet you I expect you to be polite back okay not just
ignore me not when I say you how are you doing yeah I'm fine and then walk off
okay that's rude sort yourselves out and also it does make me wonder when the
kids are getting older then I start to wonder what is the problem is it at the
parents not not maybe so respectful where but outside of these walls kids be
respectful at church and not just to me to everyone to every adult in this
church you should be respectful you should answer back when people talk to
you should be polite to them okay kids that's clear okay don't ignore and that
goes from my wife to kids so when you're you're playing your board games and my
wife comes up and says kids you need to tidy up or kids you need to put that
away now you don't ignore her you say yes either miss Lisa mrs. taverna sister
Lisa something with respect and you and that's how you that's how you reply to
my wife okay that goes obviously for everyone else as well okay show respect
show respect when you're in this church because we're leading this church and if
you can't do that then why are you in this church why are you here if you
can't respect the leadership and that includes kids as well okay mate you need
to respect it and and look that that's adults in general we all need to show
respect to each other don't we okay but especially the leadership needs that
because how are we going to submit to leadership in a church with no one can
respect the leadership okay and like I said kids especially that's in the first
Peter 3 8 says finally be all of one mind having compassion one of another
lovers brethren be pitiful be courteous we need to be polite don't we polite
courteous to each other and obviously to the leadership in this church as well
that means but under the under submitting to leadership especially here
that means not criticizing or basically really publicly questioning at all
church policies okay you're a guest you're you're at this church this
church is being led and run for you to come to okay that doesn't mean that you
start picking on things and pulling out things and questioning interrogating me
about stuff okay that's not how you behave in a church if you're submitting
to leisure or you're saying you can't submit okay and we'll talk about that in
a minute in fact if that's where you are putting pressure on on myself my wife to
add new ministries okay look we'll add ministries as and when we as the
leadership think they're ready to be to be added okay we'll add extra things
well look no problem if you want to come up and say look this is a really good
idea but leave it a lot yeah okay don't start trying to trying to dictate what
the church should and shouldn't do because you're not submitting to
leadership there are you and look pastor Thompson I discussed with him many
things he'll make it clear if there's something he wants me to do okay look
ideas are fine don't start putting pressure on that means don't organize
your own ministry okay you cannot organize your own ministry you can't
just decide right we're gonna do a weekly this or two if it's a church
thing and it's only church people and it's church members you're organizing
your own ministry outside the leadership aren't you okay what that needs to go to
the leadership that's to suggest you wait for the leadership to do it okay
that that's not submitting to leadership and you might think well what if it's
something outside church look if you want to meet up with your mates fine you
start actually setting a day that this is when we're doing some sort of
homeschool this or kids out or this is when we're doing a men's thing or
whatever else you you're out you're out of bound there aren't you because this
is a church this church it has to be one for legit you could surely everyone here
could see how that could end up in the future yeah okay we need to start as we
mean to carry on as we want to carry on with this okay then when you come to the
church that I run for Pastor Thompson okay with the support of my wife when
you come here treat it with respect okay treat the church with respect look I
don't care how how old the building is I don't care that we've been given the
building free for now treat it with respect yeah because you're coming like
you wouldn't walk into someone's house and treat it like sadly how a lot of
people treat the church okay treat it with respect try saying hello and goodbye
especially to the people that spend literal multiple hours and days every
week making this church work yeah like you'd be amazed how many people just
disappear each week and you're like where did they go it's like you've
literally spent however many hours preparing a sermon sorting out the
church cleaning the church doing all the other stuff that goes with it paying it
money doing all the different things trying to look for future all the jobs
that go along and people literally turn up and not even say a word to you and
leave without saying a word to you and I don't care if your wife either say
goodbye you can say you are allowed to talk to me you know yeah I'm not saying
we need to go and have a private chat somewhere but you are allowed to talk to
me oh well my wife does it you've got if you're not benefited at all you know if
you're not getting edified at all find a new church yeah try actually you know
some matters does again I look at that and I just think do you really have
respect for the leadership well you can't even say a word when you come in
and you leave look if I'm at if I'm not so you've got away you've got away you
know brother is in there talks I'm not saying that I'm saying when it starts me
every week and you're like what on earth you know that's just weird okay pick up
after yourself yeah please pick up after yourself look it's one thing that will
we run the Hoover around we tidy up at the end of the church yeah but when
there's literal just rubbish rubbish under chairs on the floors ripped up
bulleted stuff that's just again that's weird pick up obviously I'll pick up
after your kids okay it's simple is it show treat the church with respect or
you say you either don't respect the church and that's the leadership as well
whether it's me pastor Thompson my wife look with that ask before you start
rearranging furniture I wouldn't come around your house and just start going
right I'm gonna put that there do that there and this is where I want to deal
with this so this way I want my kids oh yeah it's pretty simple is it let's get
let's you wouldn't go to another church do that I hope you wouldn't maybe some
people would okay but look ask before you start changing things in the church
rearranging things doing things your own way and look now this one's going to be
unpopular okay let's hear me out ask before you throw mini birthday parties
okay and I'll tell you and I'll tell you why this is pastor Thompson's rule and I
didn't understand he told me this at first and I thought he meant he said
look you can't start letting people host birthday parties at the church and
I thought he meant on a separate day okay so that was an obvious man he's
saying he's saying no not in it not like after church cakes come out and
everything else now you're thinking well why what why can we not do that and look
again I don't maybe people weren't aware of this because I didn't understand I
thought he meant on a separate day reason being yeah he wants us to think
like a big church so what when we're running 150 200 250 okay so what we're
going to have a birthday every single week now how many cakes are you going to
make for that so then people start to get excluded don't they okay and and on
that as well then you're deciding when you're doing it at what time that he
said no you just can't you can't do it wait a second it's my kids birthday I'm
coming to church they will not advocate firstly you should run it by me anyway
but forget that his rule is no because look that's going to be a problem in the
future it could already be a problem at the beginning when certain kids might
not be invited or might not hear about it or I mean the other week I didn't
even have any idea I just suddenly started hearing birthday happy birthday
being sung I'm sitting in the front of the church and I'll leave the church
don't even know that someone's doing that look come like it should be talked
about but he says no his rule is no because it's just going to be a problem
there's going to be a problem in the future people start to feel left out you
know you won't be able to make enough cake for a church of 200 okay and then
you're just going to have it week in week out happy birthday happy birthday
cakes coming out everything else so he says no it might be how you oh but but
we've come to church look church isn't it's not a playground okay look we want
kids here of course yeah and we want kids to have fun here as well we want
them to enjoy being at church but ultimately what's the main point of this
is to build up the believer this is to preach the Word of God okay for
believers to come together so it's not well look if their birthday falls on
church day was cooler we'll sing happy birthday to them look they can have a
nice day don't have to go so winning if you want to go in the way or you don't
want to go that week well that's up to you go out do something okay but this
isn't obviously just a place for for kids parties and everything else okay
right respecting the rules that includes opening and closing times I spoke about
that the other week okay if you respect the leadership you're just going to
respect the rules you're not going to dig out about it you're not going to
have problems about it you're not going to be constantly you know like just seem
irritated pushing it to the last minute look look look I don't want to say this
but you have no idea the work that goes into running running a church yeah I
don't think anyone here could it could believe yeah the amount of work and
stress and effort and goes in yeah I don't want people to make me feel like
I'm out of order me and my family because there's only an hour after
church till we're going to clean the church and leave okay because the Sunday
we're whacked every Sunday where it's hot you would try preaching two sermons
going soul winning yeah like let alone the rest that goes with it okay like so
again if you respect the leadership you're going to respect that and you're
actually going to you know you're going to actually want you don't want me to do
it with grief you want me to do it with joy don't you okay because Hebrews 13 17
says obey them that have the rule over you and submit yourselves for they watch
for yourselves as they that must give account that they may do it with joy and
not with grief for that is unprofitable for you for you okay if it's a grief and
it's a problem if it gets the point well we just like we can't do this anymore
yeah like that's going to be a problem yeah if it gets to a point where where
I just like I don't have the time because of all the other grief to spend
time on trying to write a sermon which I think is going to edify and help yeah
like and the rest of it if I'm constantly annoyed I'm starting to get
more and more irritated with things and people that just can't submit can't
can't follow the leadership it's it's you can imagine all the knock-on effects
that's going to have yeah okay and like I said the knock-on effectism is
eventually for the whole church isn't it the whole church is affected by that
okay which now leads me on to one of the clear differences with an NIFB church new
independent fundamental Baptist Church turn in Matthew chapter 19 we're a
family integrated church okay we're a family integrated church here we don't
send the kids off to some downstairs dungeon where you know where some
weirdo that no one's ever met is going to look after your child for an hour and
a half during the service so the you know so it can you can hear a pin drop
in the in the auditorium okay we don't believe in kids down there coloring in
pretty pictures of Jesus in a dress with long hair and everything else okay and
while they sing you know songs look and probably I'd imagine most people have
heard preaching understand reasons why why we don't do that why you know and
there's some obvious reason there's some safety issues as well with that because
that's been a massive issue in the past isn't it in many churches sadly that's
where people will infiltrate but regardless regardless we believe that
kids need to hear the Word of God don't they okay and they need to learn to be
able to listen to the Word of God look and with that there'll be kids that that
you know that might be a battle that a moment you know mum and dad it might go
through for a bit longer with a younger kid to get him to sit and listen and some
might be quick with that they might be slow with other things okay and look but
we believe ultimately you want your kids to eventually be sitting in here okay
and sitting in here and just being able to sit and listen because then they're
going to be set up well for life aren't they and not be a fun Center Church
where they're where they're making you know making like I said pretty pictures
downstairs and then suddenly they turn to an adult and it's like well where's
all the fun gone you know the church is serious business isn't it but we have
some fun sometimes but it's serious business okay Matthew 19 and verse 13
says then where they're bought unto him little children that he should put his
hands on them and pray and the disciples rebuked them and Jesus said
suffer little children and forbid them not to come unto me for such is a
kingdom of heaven okay Jesus doesn't want us to restrict them gee they're not
a problem oh we don't want the kids anywhere near all they might make a
noise or they might distract or no look we want the kids here don't we don't
want to forbid them from coming and hearing the Word of God and being part
of the church service but there are obviously rules still for the kids here
okay there are rules here how they behave is even more important when
they're representing this what is a rarer way of doing things amongst
churches isn't it okay by having them within the service by not having
separate children's ministry where you know they do all the modeling and
whatever else they're making and cutting and all of that stuff okay so okay it's
it's important and look how they behave again I'm not talking about one two
three even sometimes for you it could take a while sometimes there's something
I'm not talking about that okay but with the older kids especially now is what
I'm talking about okay and look getting getting trained okay kids should be
should be trained yeah we look some of them will take a while to break with
certain things okay but just keep going persevere if you if that's a problem
you're having with a young child or everywhere else with certain issues just
keep going persevere okay we want them to be able to sit here without
distractions without being fed you know just be able to sit and quietly listen
to the service okay now older kids so older kids okay you're in a church here
okay that means not running around in the church again it's hard look okay we
don't have a big fellowship area we are going to have that when we move okay
that's one of the criteria for the new church we are going to have a fellowship
area but until then you have to just learn to respect this this area there's
expensive equipment here as well okay so when you're tearing it about there are
people that don't want you charging into them some of you bigger kids as well
okay there's stuff here that there's plenty of hazards anyway so kids running
around tearing it about and to be fair we haven't had a big amount of that and
and look you know some of them they've been sitting there playing board games
and that's probably been a you know in a way being good but but respect the fact
that we don't have room for a lot of tables here as well so you should be
able to come to church and not play a board game every single week and then
people can't sit down and use the table or anything else yeah okay but fighting
okay fighting in church and I want to especially talk talk here like look
older kids yeah there should be no reason why there should be no reason why
kids should be hitting other children at all younger they might need a bit of
training with that when you get older if you're hitting attacking grabbing
threatening or anything else young kids like that you need you need to sort out
quickly and parents obviously we as all parents need to sort that out don't with
our kids because really any other situation that's assault isn't it okay
if I was walking up and grabbing people in here and you know they gets you know
but brother who would say brother John just wound me up just now and I just
went over and just game a dig with sharp John you know and like it probably dig
me back but you know it's gonna be a problem is and I'm not gonna do that and
look that means kids you need to not be doing that either okay if that's the way
you try and respond to younger kids or even kids your own age or ever else look
you need to say especially not in a church I don't want to get to a point
where kids don't want to be here because they're worried or they start to get
scared they start to feel like that kid I need you I'm bit wary around that kid
we they want to have a happy atmosphere here so kids no fighting in the church
obviously in the church but even when you're outside there and this includes
soul-winning marathons we're representing the church aren't we I was
that we were the last one we're at we're in the park a lady asked me in the
car what's going on here so I told her you know that we're a church blah blah
blah and and you know some look it wasn't that bad but some of the kids
were literally like right red like trying to swing the swings as far as
they could there was rubbish strewn everywhere when when we left and
everything else it wasn't a good good advertisement I don't think we're so
winning look kids yeah they want to play I understand that okay but just make
sure that you you are representing the church okay obviously in the church as
well there are people that will come to this church they've never been to a
church where it's family integrated you're advertising our type of church
okay right obviously on so many marathons as well so with that load
same with Shaw Foundation Baptist Church Vancouver okay so if anyone wants to
criticize oh well it's just you know Ian and Lisa way they want to raise their
kids no this is exactly the same at other churches okay we have to watch
your kids okay watch your kids I'm not saying you have to follow your ten
eleven twelve thirteen whatever you're old around you know and not let them
literally out of your sight obviously that would be pretty hard in a place
like this but you should be aware of what they're doing the whole time okay
whatever age are especially when they're young because there is hazards there's
dangers I've personally stopped children from hazards here multiple times and the
parents don't even know where they are look it's not us being weird it's not
us being helicopter parents whatever the buzzword is for people that watch
their kids the other church is saying exactly the same at Shaw Foundation in
Vancouver as well they're constantly on at parents to watch your kids know what
your kids are doing because it's a church and because kids will get up
stuff just just just a couple of things okay I've found now on a couple of weeks
running toys that have been thrown out the window right where my van is out of
that window there now who's doing that now kids I'm not asking you to raise
your hand if you are but what I am saying is that parents we should be
aware shouldn't we and look if you find your parents do that you should get a
thrashing for that and and that shouldn't be happening and we should be
aware shouldn't we you know hope to God it wasn't one of my kids but but
seriously I know it's not one of my kids you know I know that's not so look it
it's not to pull it look my kids are gonna misbehave yeah all of our kids
here are perfectly able to misbehave aren't they okay no one's got perfect
kids here but we want to be able to catch that out when they do okay and
obviously we should be able to go up to someone and say look your your kids done
this your kids done that please don't be shy to do that because the only way
sometimes it's parents we're gonna know because we can't have eyes in the back of it
some of us have quite a few few kids here but please be aware please at least
know or want to know where your kids are for example kids just helping themselves
to boiling water there's you know one like just didn't like a drink poured it
in the bin you know like a hot full cup of full mugger drink like stuff like
that like don't do it yeah like if you're doing that kids like like if you
if you have no idea they just helped look that's hot boiling water there you
know kids look they're clumsy we all know that don't we we don't just leave
them to it look they slightly older kids okay it's not so bad that's up to you as
a parent to decide that we know or I'll make a rule that just no kids but
younger kids like just helping themselves making their own drinks
making their own teas and coffees and just most churches won't let you help
yourself to your teas and coffees okay and look we can do that and we just have
a rotor if you want and just have you can only have something served because
it's it's a church you know that's not we're trying to be nice for that some
people seem to have quite a coffee addiction or we're trying to be like
welcoming and what you know and accepting of that but on the same side
look have some rules for your kids that goes with biscuits like every time we've
bought biscuits in the kids are just hammering them but but look tell your
kids one biscuit that's it you know if you don't whatever your rule is but but
you need to you need to know what your kids are doing be on your kids at this
church please guys okay okay obviously look I know this is unpopular a lot of
this stuff but it's important isn't it okay right turn to John chapter 2 okay
John chapter 2 we don't make buy sell or do business in this church okay again
something that that should be amongst all churches but sadly it's not is it
John chapter 2 verse 16 Jesus said and said unto them that sold doves take
these things hence make not my father's house and house of merchandise okay
so I obviously won't be selling my new book on why Jews are God's chosen people
okay I'm not gonna be trying to sell that with the pre-orders and everything
else but but that goes for everything doesn't it and I'm look it is wicked
what goes on a lot of churches with their book stalls with their coffee and
tea you know have a much said oh well it's only 20p to pay for the cost you
still what are you doing you still selling things in the house of God what
is wrong with you and it doesn't matter whether it's outside and all well it's
in the fellowship area and feel obviously we don't do that when I have a
bookshop downstairs or when we get a new building or anything else okay books
Bibles tea coffee obviously but as a as a good church member obviously we don't
want to talk business in the church doing okay we shouldn't be talking
business shouldn't be trying to you know organize that it's one thing to say oh
okay well I might know something about that let's talk about it later let's
talk about it at a later date okay we shouldn't be here trying to organize
trying to work out ways of making money off each other employ each other
whatever it is okay this is not a house of merchandise is it okay so we don't do
that definitely don't come to this church thinking about networking or
anything else okay and again I don't think we've got that going on here but
this guy this happens at churches they had a you know it's your foundation in
Vancouver they're some sort of weird pyramid scheme or something someone was
trying to push people do this stuff they come to churches to try and make money
off people okay okay so obviously we just need to knit that in the bud
quickly and if there's a problem with that come and see me and again it
eventually comes out of cover to see you in the house have gone all you think
about is your money that's a problem isn't it okay turn to Proverbs chapter
3 last few just a few more distinctives Proverbs chapter 3 okay we believe in
biblical tithing one of the reasons why we don't have to sell the books and the
teas and coffees but look Proverbs 3 let's read it quickly first verse 9 to 10
Proverbs 3 and from verse 9 honor the Lord with thy substance with the first
fruits of all thine increase so shall thy barns be filled with plenty and thy
presses shall burst out with new wine okay who gets blessed for it you do okay
you do the tithe is 10% and it's not something people feel comfortable some
churches feel overly comfortable and preaching it and preach it all the time
other churches won't and feel like well I don't want to say anything I've been
to churches where you know really they're kind of they're still with with
like 50 60 members and a school hall once a week still having to get paid by
the by the you know they're sending church they're still sending out a load
of money and that's because because people aren't tithing and look here I
think you know from what I can tell people people are pretty faithful with
the tithe yeah but we don't check up it's up to you okay it's between you and
God look for me there's nothing in the New Testament to suggest that the tithe
is finished in fact it started before the Lord didn't it with Abraham with
Melchizedek so look it's it's up to you isn't it but as a as a biblical church
we we do encourage that okay so we're not gonna be too shy to go no look that
look the Bible's clear you should be given the first 10% of your increase
okay if you don't do that that's up to you still welcome at the church there's
no rule for that of the church but I would suggest if you one of the
blessings of God you should do that okay we believe him in biblical tithing turn
the first Corinthians chapter 5
okay this is my last one here and again this is another distinctive with a new
independent fundamental Baptist Church and what we expect to be a good church
member we believe in Church discipline okay we believe in Church discipline
like the Bible says at this in 1st Corinthians 5 look from verse 11 but now
I have written unto you not to keep company if any man is called a brother
be a fornicator or covetous or an idolater or a railer or a drunkard or an
extortioner with such a one no not to eat for what have I to do to judge them
also that are without do not you judge them that are within but then that
without God judges therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person
obviously a good church member won't be on this list will they and they won't be
just slightly on this list oh I'm not sure it depends how you look at it just
don't be on the list yeah you want to be a good church member don't test the
boundaries or what's drinking and what's a drunkard just don't drink yeah the
Bible's clear yeah wine is a mocker strong drink is raging whosoever is
deceived there but there buys not wise yeah why would you even look you know
you're told not to even look upon the wine when it giveth its color in the cup
when it moveth itself right that's fermented alcohol yeah just just don't
you know things like that just just tickle it then we don't have to sit
there and wonder well now we got to decide are they drunk and because they
won't stop drink look things and it's not just obviously a drunken a lot of
people that might be the one or the fornicator yeah just make it clear look
if you're single and you're dating you know just make it clear so there's no
question no one sitting at all I don't know there's a bit no question you're
not a fornicator or you're gonna get kicked out of the church or you're gonna
be told make it right yeah don't either either stop shacking up together or or
even giving the impression you are you know get married and within a short
space of time you don't have to have some grand you know 50 grand wedding
okay so worldly anyway all of that or or you're out okay and that goes for the
others that goes for you know for people that covetous again just make it clear
you're not yeah okay these these I would say like this list is like to be a good
church member there should just be no doubt no one should be looking at you
come on don't know it depends how you interpret this it should just be no
doubt yeah if you want to be a good church member there's no one should be
looking going is is he or she a fornicator are they covetous are they
an idolater yeah and oh well you know we're not we're not worshiping so look
look idolatry as well you can I do you can make idols and many things yeah just
make sure that God is at the top yeah there's nothing that you're making idol
and trying to put in front of God a railer okay and and look railing you
know if you're making false accusations against people yeah at this church if
you're if you're doing if you're railing about especially about the
legit and look on that yeah if anyone does any of this stuff drunkard
extortion extortion oh by the way sob stories I heard this talked about I
think brother brother Matthew stuck here in Verity Manila he had a good angle on
this which was a guy that was basically just constantly telling everyone how
skinty was and getting money off people all that in a way that's there he's
extorting them isn't it yeah because he's making them give money because
they think that he needs money and that he's giving them all these sob stories
why he needs it it's extortions that's another angle of that but look just make
sure you're nowhere near that but I would go on to say yeah that that if a
good church member should come to the leadership about anyone that they think
is on this list okay you're not like I said this isn't I said this the you know
a little while ago before this isn't gangland New York this isn't the hood
this isn't you're not going to be called a snitch or a grass you know or
you don't grow don't grass in church mate gonna get shanked for that that's
not how it works here because a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump okay now
I'm not saying we're all here trying to get dig up the dirt on him or I can get
that one out the church no I'm not obviously not like that but if there's a
clear blatant example of this you should be coming to the leadership otherwise
you're a problem as well aren't you okay railing is a problem isn't it railing
and people who are who are and I've talked about this before with whispering
and slandering other people at church that's railing as well okay and that and
that's it you know that gets to the point where it's that's a church that's
an offense you know that that's then right get right are you out yeah okay so
look on that list so as well so you should be coming like that includes
Romans 16 it turned actually Romans chapter 16 sometimes we just go through
first Corinthians 5 but Romans 16 and from verse 17 says now I beseech you
brethren mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine
which you have learned and avoid them for they that are such serve not our Lord
Jesus Christ but their own belly and by good words and fair speeches deceive the
hearts of the simple if there are people causing divisions whether it's through
whispering or it's or it's open rebellion yeah because that's going to
cause division isn't it open rebellion being rebellious look that that's on
that list isn't it that's that's that's another person that is going to get
kicked out of the church okay look a good church member will mark them and
talk to the leadership oh well yeah they're a bit yeah they'd be slagging
off people for a while now I'll just avoid him myself no because they're a
problem aren't they and you become a problem if you're not making it clear
because look we don't want this in this church we want this look the devil's
going to attack this church isn't he okay and look we often just think well
it's going to be that you know it's going to be some infiltrator some Judas
and yeah you know obviously that's going to happen as well but you know what he
can use saved people okay he uses them he he will manipulate all the sin and
everything else look it happens at other church what look at Saul I heard a good
sermon on him recently look at so how wicked did Saul become but is anyone
questioning whether he is saved or not how wicked did Saul become and how much
of a problem did he become okay so so oh well well no well they clearly got
people saved so they can't be a problem no you can still get kicked out Joe in
fact first Corinthians 5 is talking about a brother anyway okay that's talking
about a brother okay and and here okay you could say with Romans 16 that okay
they serve not our Lord Jesus Christ but their own belly and by good words of
fair speech to see the hearts of sin but he's not saying well if they're saved
let them cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine oh well as long
as they're you know they're unsaved then kick no look if you're causing
problems in the church like seriously after this after this sermon it should
be clear what shouldn't should be done now like I said a lot of this might be
new to you okay and people that are feeling like man this is hitting me a
bit here I hope this is new to you that's why I hope it's just things you
haven't thought about hope maybe you're just not used to how a church like this
runs okay remember Proverbs 9 8 says reprove not a scorn lest he hate thee
rebuke a wise man and he will love thee so I hope anyone that's feeling rebuked
here is just thinking look okay fair enough I want to be a good church
member I want to make things work I want to I want to you know be part of a good
church because this could be a great church okay everything we're trying to
do we're trying to do everything biblical here okay so it look you might
sit there and I remember my old church or this church or that church I've heard
of you know you could do what you like in there what sort of you know horrible
church is this what sort of a power freak you know are you you know and
everything else no we're just trying to follow the Bible it's only going to work
if we do it how the Bible says and you might have sat through this sermon and
thought this isn't the church for me and if you have honestly there aren't going
to be any hard feelings and you're not going to get preacher they left the
church we're not gonna whisper must must be a backside if because look it might
not be you might just say I cannot I cannot deal with this sort of church I
cannot I can't submit to brother Ian yeah that no I went soul-winning him
with him before it's too weird that now he's in leadership at the church
content well then just leave the church it's not it's not you know do it
politely you know I'll shake your hand and say look it's fine it's not look no
hard feelings if you can't get on board with how a church like ours runs don't
come to church and and look there are still a few churches with with with what
seems to be the right gospel in the country go there and and look and I'm
not gonna be like you know what sort of work are they doing for God look it's
better than you being here and being a problem if you're here and you can't be
part of the church as a church runs you can't submit to the leadership then
don't be don't be at the church yeah and we're again like I said you're not gonna
get preached about every week only every now and again no you are you okay it's
not gonna happen we're just okay fair enough yeah no one's here and if you
feel like you know if you're here because you you you know you feel like
you have to be here because well everyone's gonna think you know that I'm
not wanting to live for God you know I just have to keep quiet look then you're
better off not being here if you don't want to be at a church you're better off
not being sure I've been at church I don't want to be at okay and out of
necessity and it's better that you're just not there because in the end it
just starts to everything starts to wind you up because really you don't you
don't support the leadership you don't respect you don't submit you don't want
to do you don't agree with how the church does things that you either just
have to deal with it and just go okay don't matter I'm just gonna submit or
just just move on because you're gonna affect everyone else aren't you because
it's not it's not just you it's not just oh well yeah me or my family or whoever
it is you know I you know I'm God's gonna curse look God's gonna curse if
you destroy a church God's gonna curse if you become a problem in the church
yeah that it's gonna be a lot worse than you just moving on and going to you know
maybe not repent of your sins Baptist but you know just somewhere where at
least at least you feel like they're saved but hopefully look if you've sat
through this and thought you know look that's what I want to do I want it I
want to get on board with this I want to be a good I want to be a blessed this
church might take you you know maybe a day to week to kind of you know get over
it maybe not maybe people just sit here and go yeah fair enough you know I'll
take all that on the chin yeah okay I can see how I could be a problem because
bear in mind as well yeah as a leader of this church and pastor Thompson's a
pastor of this church and considering how many problems yeah all good churches
have had and continue to have with people okay like I'm not saying I'm just
sitting and going who's the next you know Judas who's the next you know
Tyler Baker or I'm not but I tell you what a lot of some a lot of the stuff
here is stuff that that they you know that people like that did you know okay
so you don't you just want to be furthest from that so there's no like you
don't want me thinking oh is this going to be like going to be is this the next
person that's going to be making videos about us you know you don't you just you
don't want to you just want to be furthest from that yeah and just be a
blessing to the church and if you sat here and thought look you know I'm just
going to carry on doing what's right in my in my own eyes I don't care no I'm
going to carry on coming here I'm just going to do it my way yeah I don't care
what you said then do everyone a favor and get out before I kick you out okay
and that that's that's the last thing I'll say on that if you sit here just
say yeah whatever mate yeah I don't care I don't listen to no one yeah then then
do everyone a favor and get out okay because if you don't I'll kick you out
okay and and I hope everyone here will will support me in that and if they don't
they can get out as well yeah okay but hopefully you're listening to this you're
thinking no I'll take this on the chin you know if any of these things have hit
you there okay and look hopefully you know this is some areas there'll be many
other areas this was kind of the shortened version because there's many
areas that we should you know that we could behave in a church and help each
other but there's some key points there okay key things that we need to get on
board with for this church to run properly like I said for people in the
future as well look I don't care I don't care if a new believer looks at this and
thinks oh this is a bit hard line yeah it's a church because a good a good
biblical church is going to get attacked it's going to get attacked from the
unsaved and from the saved there's going to be many ways to try and discredit the
leadership to try and discredit the leadership's family to try and discredit
to try and whisper to try and create bitchiness to try and create rebellion
like it's going to happen and the devil will do it however he can and it's not
just from from the Judas Iscariot that walks in or that already walked in it's
not just the only way there's many angles and my job is to defend against
all of that okay okay that's what I'm trying to do here so look you you need
to help me with that okay everyone here needs to help me and then it will
benefit all of us as a church yeah and we could like I said before we could
have this is the start of something that could be amazing but we need to make
sure we iron out all this stuff okay first Corinthians 14 you don't have to
turn that says let all things be done decently
and in order and and look and that order of doing this
is important for a church to be a success isn't it okay there's only one
order one way that things are going to work in a church yeah and that's that's
however that's been handed down from the top we all just need to get on board
with that let's pray
father I thank you for your word I thank you for you know
all the you know the many clear doctrines that you've given us
that we try and follow as a church here and and I pray that you help us to do
things you know according to your will and that
we as a church will function and run as you'd want a church to
do so and help me as a leader to to to encourage
people to do that to be you know strong with people when I
need to and obviously to be long-suffering with those that just
need time to get things right and and please you know I pray that you just
help everyone in this church here to to want to to be the best church members
they can if they don't and if they don't to just
you know make the right decision and say okay well this this church isn't for me
and you know because ultimately we don't want
to hinder your work and I pray that you know you you just help us
with the day now you help us to to all start by being great church members
by going out and getting people saved and
help with the evening service with the baptisms and just help everything to go
according to your will and in Jesus name we pray all of this amen