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Good evening, everyone
Welcome to steadfast Baptist Church if you could please find your seats and grab your hymnal. We're going to start out in song
415 victory through grace
415 victory through grace song 4 1 5 victory through grace
Conquering now and still to conquer right at the king
Leading the host of
See them
Not
Yet
Conquering now and still
Who is this wonder?
Let's are the army's way to lead it while of his glory they see
Savior
They are the stars
Right
Conquering
Oh
Great thing let's open up in a word of prayer
Emily father, thank you for this evening. Thank you for the opportunity to be gathered together as a church family
Just thank you for the souls that were one today
I pray that they would begin to grow in the Lord that they would come to church and
Just to read their Bible and start serving you. I just pray that you bless this time of singing
We love you Jesus. Let me pray. Amen. All right for our next song. We'll go to song 66 at Calvary
song 66
At Calvary
Song six six at Calvary
Oh
The mighty
Mercy there was waiting grace was free
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Good evening, you're back for more. All right steadfast Baptist Church
If you didn't get a bulletin from this morning
You need a bulletin you lift up your hand nice and high and we've got our Bible memory passage Psalm 58 verse 10
Also on the inside service soul winning times
Please make sure you're texting your group leaders the soul winning totals you had from this afternoon
If you did not already do that, this is the time you get your phone out text them message them
Make sure they get that information
Please be in prayer for all of our expecting ladies
We have a lot of ladies there to be in prayer for also our prayer list
Also be in prayer for those who are needing help with their health and everything like that on the back
We have the note about the baby shower. It's gonna be for the Zimino's on the 30th and
We have the address there. We also have an RSVP
Please if you can do that with Miss Milstead also
Their register names done if you'd like to get a gift
You don't have to but also if you do plan on coming to the event it is nursing's only preferred
So that's what we like to try and do for those events to make them a little bit more enjoyable
So really you guys try to help out with the kiddos and everything like that
Upcoming events other ones we have the new flyers that we've been doing for soul winning. I just invite people to
Eat with us on the first also the fire-breathing Baptist Fellowship
there is an insert in the bulletin that has a
Schedule there of just some of the events and some of the activities that we're going to be doing and we just wanted to get
That to you guys
As soon as possible that way you can kind of plan or participate
Of course, you don't have to go to everything if you can only make certain events. That's totally fine
We totally get it
we just want people to be able to participate in as much as they are available and would like to participate in and
Please just be praying for event that everything goes smoothly. We've got a lot of great preachers coming in also
Make sure to thank them if they if you do see them and you get to talk to them at the event
Because it's definitely, you know, a lot of these guys are getting busier and busier and traveling. It's harder and harder
And so it's definitely a great privilege and honor for these guys to come and visit with us and take time out of their
Schedule to preach for us and especially pastor Anderson, you know
He doesn't want to preach for other people multiple times and I somehow strong-armed him and two I was really bluffing
But I got him to agree to come out here again for us. And so definitely thank them for coming out here
Also, we have some events there that are new and we're really looking forward to it
Again if you want the spelling bee list you can go online find that
please if you would bring a dessert on that Friday night and
That's pretty much all I have as far as that event the Abilene, Texas
Oh any marathon still November 4th, and then we had the congratulations to the Lugo family on the birth of Lemuel Luke
Lugo good thing that was Elza not case, you know and
He was born on the 27th weighed 8 pounds 12 ounces with 19 inches long. Congratulations to them
So
We'll go ahead and sing our third song psalm 146 our psalm of the week psalm 146
All right psalm 146
Crazy
Oh my soul
While I live
Will sing praises unto my God while I have any
Would not your trust in princess
In whom there is no
There is no
His breath
Oh
Which made heaven and earth
That there in is which keep it true
Which give it to the hungry
Crazy the law
My soul
Our bow down the Lord
Oh
Side down
God
As the offering plates being passed around please turn your Bibles to first John chapter 5 first John chapter number 5
You
First John chapter 5 first John chapter 5 the Bible reads
whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God and
Everyone that loveth him that begat loveth him also that he's begotten of him
By this we know that we love the children of God
When we love God and keep his commandments for this is the love of God that we keep his commandments and his commandments are not
Grievous for whatsover is born of God overcome with the world and this is the victory that overcome at the world even our faith
Who is he that overcome at the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
This is he that came by water and blood even Jesus Christ
Not by water only but by water and blood and it is the spirit that beareth witness because the spirit is truth
for there are three that bear record in heaven the Father the Word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one and
There are three that bear witness in the earth the spirit and the water and the blood and these three agree in one
If we receive the witness of men the witness of God is greater for this is the witness of God
Which he hath testified of his son
He that believeth on the Son of God had the witness in himself
He that believeth not God has made him a liar because he believeth not the record that God gave of a son
And this is the record that God has given us eternal life and this life is in his son
He that had the son have life and he that hath not the Son of God had not life
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God
that you may know that you have eternal life and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God and
This is the confidence that we have in him that if we ask anything according to his will he heareth us
And if we know that he hear us, what's over we ask we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death
He shall ask and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death
I do not say that he shall pray for it
All unrighteousness is sin and there is a sin not unto death
We know that whosoever is born of God sitteth not but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself and that wicked one
Toucheth him not and we know that we are of God and the whole world
Lieth and wickedness and we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding
That we may know him that is true and we are in him. That is true. Even his son Jesus Christ
This is the true God and eternal life little children. Keep yourselves from idols. Let us pray father
Thank you so much for this great church. Thank you for our pastor and his family
I just pray that you would fill him with your Holy Spirit fill him with boldness help him to preach with
Authority and I also pray Lord that you would just continue to bless our church greatly like you already are Lord
We we thank you so much for bringing families to us from afar more labors
And I pray that you would just put a hedge around our church and every family and I pray that you would allow us to
keep
Preaching the gospel with boldness and authority and winning souls not only here in Texas throughout the whole world
And we ask these things in Jesus name. Amen
Okay
So this evening sermon is gonna be a little bit more doctrinal and a little bit heavier
Sometimes the Bible describes things as being more of a strong meat of the word and that is definitely the goal of this sermon
So, you know if you don't necessarily understand everything or pick up on everything, that's okay
You know, this is kind of a little bit deeper
Subject matter that we're going to be talking about but I want to look at verse number
Seven again, the Bible says for there are three that bear record in heaven the Father the Word and the Holy Ghost and these three are
One now, this is a pretty famous Trinity verse
Arguably in my mind. It might be one of the clearest Trinity verses you even have in the King James Bible and
The whole emphasis or point of this particular passage is the fact that there's literally three separate
witnesses giving record or bearing record bearing witness to
the truths of the Bible the truths of the gospel the truth of who Jesus Christ is and
So it's really important to understand that the whole essence here of this particular verse
Is that if you went up to heaven you could get the record of the Bible from three?
Different persons from the Father from the Son and from the Holy Ghost, but even though you have three different
Persons giving this record. It's all the exact same record
They're there one and unity there one in their record. There's no division amongst them
It's the exact same account
It's the exact same witness in the context of the fact that they're going to deliver you the exact same message
They're gonna give you the same Word of God. They're gonna give you the same testimony
And so when we talk about the the truths of the Bible the truths of the Word of God God will give
He'll give evidence to it or he'll give support to it
And and this passage is kind of giving us the idea that in heaven
There's three that are bearing record of the truths of who Jesus Christ is and the God of the Bible
and that's the Father Son and the Holy Ghost and
And
Some people would call this the Trinity now I subscribe to that word the Trinity
If you look it up in a lot of dictionaries online a kind of really basic or simplistic
definition of the Trinity is
Three-persons one God that's a very simplistic definition of the Trinity and I agree with that as well
I believe that there is three persons one God if you look at our doctrinal statement
Our church it says more or less these same things that I'm espousing. It has a Trinity section
It talks about the Father Son and Holy Ghost being three separate persons
Yet they all are fully God
They're co-eternal and I believe that there's no distinction in value between the Father Son and Holy Ghost
But there is a distinction and that they are persons now some people, you know when it comes to this particular doctrine
Well, we'll just kind of check out like they don't really care or they don't really want to know they don't want to go any
further than this and that's I understand why because it's kind of a difficult subject matter and
It's it's kind of a difficult thing to understand because God being a Trinity or understanding three-persons one
God seems a little bit paradoxical on the surface or seems maybe
A little challenging to fully wrap our heads around there are mines around and so a lot of people don't really
want to go down that road and so they don't have a very
Sophisticated view they have a pretty simplistic view
You know what? You can still serve God with a simplistic view of the Trinity and when it comes to salvation specifically
I don't think that you have to have a really deep understanding of the Trinity at all to be saved
I believe you could have a very simplistic view of there's a father. There's a son. They're both God
I have no idea what that means entirely
I just know that it's true and
They're trusting in the death burial resurrection of the Son of God Jesus Christ and they're saved
I believe that you know, it can be a very basic
Limited understanding of the Trinity now when it comes through the Trinity doctrine, though
There's a lot of labels that people are throwing out and all these different views and all these different
classifications and when you go to seminary or you go to
Theological schooling and you get a high education they'll start talking about all these different
Classifications of well, which Trinity do you believe in?
Do you believe in the social trinitarianism or the classical Orthodox Trinity or the classical?
Evangelical Trinity or the classical Catholic Trinity or the relational creed old Trinity or are you?
Nicene or are you the Apostles Creed or it's like
Okay, what does any of what I just said mean, okay, and really there's just all these labels and
people ask you like what's your label and
And here's my answer to this question and this will continue to be the answer for our church. Is that we're Trinity
That's our label. Our label is Trinity and there's a lot of Trinity labels
That's the title of the sermon Trinity labels that people want to put you in this category and say oh you believe this version of
Trinity, but but the problem with these labels is
they're very arbitrary and
Almost very few people even just subscribe to any of the labels most of the time labels are coming from
Adversaries trying to put people in a particular box as opposed to people actually
Subscribing to or just saying like this is the exact label that I have apart from reformed
Theology and
Apart from people that are going to seminary most people do not care to have any label beyond Trinity and for our purposes
I don't believe it's beneficial for us to go down into some dark dungeon and figure out exactly what
Theological terminology we're going to subscribe to and which of the church fathers we're going to align with in a perfect
System of exactly what our description of theology is because that's just it's just navel-gazing
It's already boring. You're already bored. I can see on your face. Okay
But there's all these different terms the eternal functional subordination
Subordinationism I bet most people here have no idea what subordinationism is. Okay. I had to look it up myself because
Sometimes you don't even know what they're even referring to
The the doctrine of subordinationism is the idea that the son is lesser than the father
Ontologically say I still have no idea what you mean, okay
So there's the idea of ontology
ontology is basically the
idea of what you are your substance your essence basically just
Ontologically is talking about your makeup your characteristics
So it's saying that the
Characteristics of the Sun the essence of who the Sun is the material aspect of the Sun is somehow
inferior or lesser than the father that they're not actually equal in
Composition they're not equal in essence. They're not equal in
Ability and a lot of different categories. That's what the the
Doctrine of subordinationism is and of course, I don't agree with that. Of course, that sounds wrong
That doesn't jive with what I believe what the Bible says and I don't think the Bible jives with that
So that would sound like heresy. Okay, they'll say well
What about the Social Trinity or the classical Trinity or sometimes they'll say the Orthodox?
Trinity and there's all these labels but here's the thing if I read the definition about the Social Trinity
I agree with a lot of what they're saying
But I've read some things about it that I don't agree and then I'll read things about
The classical Orthodox Trinity there's a lot that I agree with and there's a lot that I don't really agree with
But even amongst these labels you have people they'll say I'm social Trinitarian and put out of you
And then another guy say I'm social Trinitarian and put a completely different view out
So then within these labels it gets really confusing or even within
classical or orthodox or which Church Father or which Creed or what it's just a bunch of junk and it really
It just seems like a pissing competition amongst all these like
Reform theology types that just love to pontificate about how close they are to these dead Church Fathers
Okay, and let me tell you something. I don't really care what some dead Church Father believes
Because first of all most of these quote Church Fathers were Catholic and let me explain something to you
This is called steadfast
Baptist Church
We are not a Catholic Church
so I'm not interested in seeing how close I can get to what a pacific dead Catholic believe and
a lot of the controversy
You know and kind of a more modern context regarding the Trinity
it's kind of the division upon this idea of social Trinity versus this Orthodox Trinity and
They they like to paint their opponents in a very unfair light
That's intellectually dishonest almost every single time because they kind of try to say
Oh this social Trinitarian idea is a novel brand new thing
That only a few people espouse and that this classical Orthodox Trinity is just what everybody's always believed
And it kind of stems from one of the greatest Church Fathers st. Augustine. Oh
Stand in awe of st. Augustine and it's like these it's funny to me how Baptist want to pontificate
About how amazing it is for them to agree with st. Augustine on any doctrine
let me just give you a little bit of a
Little bit of flavor of st. Augustine to see how much you care about this guy's opinion
Okay, because personally I'm like it's a meaningless when you say st. Augustine to me
I'm thinking like a place in Florida or something, you know
I'm like, I don't even know what you're talking about. Like I don't care but st
Augustine was a Catholic
Bishop from about 350 480 to 430 ad
He believed in original sin. I
Don't believe in original sin
In fact, he takes the original sin so far as to say that when a husband and wife have marital relations
It's sin
It's a sin for a husband and wife to have relations and that every single baby
Through conception that was sin and that was wicked and so the babies that are produced from a
You know just pure marriage. There's nothing wrong about the marriage
she's just saying like a husband and wife having a baby was a sin and that baby is then born in sin and
He goes on to say I'm gonna give you kind of a quote, but it's not a quote from
Augustine it's a quote from someone who basically took the writings of st. Augustine and
Summarize them, of course st. Augustine didn't speak English folks. It was 350, you know to 400 ad right?
So this is a quote about him, but no one's contesting that this is what he believed and this is what Catholics believe
Here is kind of a quote of his views
It says in any event the practice of infant baptism for the remission of sins
Presupposes that infants arrived polluted by sin since they have committed no actual sin
Remission must be for the guilt
Attaching to a fault in their nature
So he's saying the reason why we have infant baptism is not because babies sinned
But because they're already sinful as opposed of coming from their nature and that nature is a result of what their parents did
You know albeit even if it was a husband and a wife
He says this therefore if babies die
Unbaptized they are damned
Even though it says it will be a very mild form of damnation
So according to st. Augustine when a baby dies if it wasn't baptized in a Catholic Church, it's burning in hell
That's why they are baptizing babies, okay, I'm already thinking I can't wait to see what other great doctrines this guy has
it's like
You you disagree with st. Augustine on the Trinity. Yeah, I disagreed them on a lot of things folks
Why in the world would I care with this bat this baby?
baptizing
Individual things not only that his views on salvation are kind of like a lifelong works and face salvation
He had Calvinistic leanings and a lot of the Calvinist church fathers like John Calvin
They would love to talk about st. Augustine how wonderful he is and then they would say but admittedly he was wrong about
Justification and he was kind of wrong about salvation
So it's like why would you look up to somebody that you say like, but they're not saved
Like I know the guy's burning in hell, but boy did he get the Trinity right?
You know what? I mean?
Like he really understood the Trinity on a deep level man
And I know he's just burning in hell because he believed in work salvation literally, but you know what?
I'm just so appreciative of his work on the Trinity and then why are Baptists?
Subscribing to this idea of like well, you know, this is the classical
Orthodox
Augustinian
Creedle Trinity, I don't care
You can take your your baby baptizing dead person with you, okay
I'm not interested in that
He had all kinds. That's just that's just a sample folks. If I if I talked about st
Augustine you would only think less of him as I continue to read. I don't think you need any more at this point
But just to give you a couple other samples and I'm taking a minute to get to the Bible here
But I just want to give you kind of a longer intro go if you would to first Timothy and I'll get there in a minute
first Timothy
What is what is social Trinitarianism?
Okay. Well, I'll just give you the Wikipedia definition. All right. This is what Wikipedia says
Some people may argue for against this definition. I don't really care
This is what Wikipedia says the social Trinitarianism is a Christian interpretation of the Trinity as
consisting of three persons and a loving relationship
Wow, that just sounds really bad. Doesn't it? So far the idea that it's three persons that love each other
It's like well, of course, I agree with that
Who in here was like I don't agree with that, you know, he said they must hate each other, right?
Says this which reflects a model for human relationships. Yep. Still still agreeing with that one
Father should love their sons like the father loves the son boy. Is that a radical concept, isn't it?
If you keep reading says the teaching emphasizes that God is inherently social being
Human
Unity approaches conformity to the image of God's unity through self-giving empathy adoration for one another etc
Such love is a fitting ethical likeness to God
But as in stark contrast to God's unity of being those who often associated with this term include and then it gives a list
Of all kinds Jurgen Moltmann
Miroslav Volf
Elizabeth Johnson Leonardo Boff and John
Jesus
Okay, so they're saying these people are advocating for a social Trinity now
Just reading kind of the first portion of this
I mean, I have to say I agree with a lot of things that is said I do believe that God is social
I do believe that God is
Loving the son
The father is loving the son and the son's loving the father and that that is a model for us
And I do believe that God wants to have a social relationship
With us and with his creation and that he loves us as well. Of course, nothing really that is saying here
Stands in any contrast to me now they say this it's a it's a it's
Somehow evil because if you actually believe there's three persons that love each other
Then somehow you're taking away from God's unity or God's oneness as they would kind of
Subscribe to or say is the real problem with this
So then you have kind of on the flip side this idea of this supposed Orthodox Trinity
Where they they don't believe in this three persons where person actually means person
okay, they kind of just redefine the term person to mean something else, but I
Don't even know if that's true. And and for the sake of this sermon
I'm gonna mostly just give them let their lip service arguments
But I think what's what's very
Intellectually dishonest is how so many people will tell you what somebody from 350 ad believed
Because you really expect for me to fully understand what somebody believed just from a handful of writings from a really long time
ago that were translated by someone I mean that's that's a stretch folks and
Even even people that they hated or killed we don't know exactly what these people believe
I mean would it really be that crazy to think that someone made like the Catholic Church just decides to kill Pastor Shelley
And then say Pastor Shelley believe in polytheism and then for all of history people are just like Pastor Shelley believes in polytheism
Right, but is that even true? Do you even really know?
What Pastor Shelley really believe can we just get a really small sample of what some random person believes?
And then extrapolate from that and understand everything about that person
No
And so this is what is a danger is getting your theology from dead people is you can't talk to them
You can't ask them questions. You don't really know exactly what they believe and a lot of these get
misinterpreted
misunderstood
Misapplied I mean people use words wrong incorrectly all the time
And so sometimes you don't even know what they really are meaning by the word choices that they have you have to ask questions or say
Why did you mean by that to really get a very clear understanding of their word usage?
Okay, and so it's it's just not really fair to then get your idea
This is what everyone's always believed and then just superimpose that on history and pull out random quotes
from people
Trying to support your doctrine and I noticed that people on every spectrum do this people will always do this and it's just kind of
A shame and embarrassment. I'm sure myself included. I've probably been guilty of
Accidentally or faultily, you know assigning someone of antiquities beliefs for them
And it maybe was an error or somewhat off, you know, because it is difficult
it is impossible and I think we should put less credence on what dead people believe and
More credence on what alive people with the Holy Spirit inside of them believe, okay
Now just to give you a sample though the Social Trinity. I kind of agreed with a lot of what that said
Here's what the quote Orthodox Trinity believes. Okay, I'm gonna just read for you the Nicene Creed
Which is what all kinds of people say like, well, you know, we got to go back to the to the nice scene Creed
You know what? I mean? It's like dude your hick accent doesn't fit with these Greek people. Okay?
But whatever let's go back to the Nicene Creed
And get your hick accent in there, right now. This is from
381
80 the Nicene Creed we believe in one God the Father the almighty maker of heaven and earth of
All that is seen and unseen we believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only Son of God
eternally begotten of the Father God from God
light from light
true God from true God
Begotten not made of one being with the Father
Through him all things were made for us men and for our salvation
He came down from heaven by the power of the Holy Spirit
He became incarnate of the Virgin Mary and was made man for our sake. He was crucified under Pontius Pilate
He suffered death and was buried on the third day. He rose again in accordance with the scriptures
He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end
We believe in the Holy Spirit the Lord the giver of life who proceeds from the Father and the Son
With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets
We believe in one holy Catholic and apostolic church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins
We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come amen
Now he's like I'm not saying I agree with this
Because there's some some things that I would cherry-pick and say no
I don't agree with that wording or I don't like that statement
But they're more or less I kind of agree with the with the vast majority of what's being said here
And when it comes to their view on the Trinity, it's not necessarily expounding the Trinity
But we get a little bit of a sneak peek
I'm pretty much agreeing with every single thing that they're saying about the Trinity here
Okay, so it's it's silly to then try to pit people like well, are you social or are you classical or you Orthodox?
You know, you can have all your definitions and dead dead prophets
Okay
I'm just gonna believe what the Bible says on this issue that there's three persons and they make one God they constitute
One God now if you pay attention to some of the things I said notice I said there was a God from God
Okay, and they also talk about the true God from the true God they also talk about him the him being with the Father
Also, they notice this seated at the right hand of the Father now everything I read
Do you get the idea or picture of just one?
person or maybe
multiple persons here
Yeah, you can see someone in your mind's eye
Sitting next to another person and then it talks about a third person who's also worshipped with the first and the second person, okay
Yet they'll be like, oh that view is a new view
This is something that has basically been invented by the new IFB
In fact, there is an idiot. There is an idiot out there some stupid prideful
loser idiot that no one likes and
Here's a quote it's only the new IFB that believes that God has three bodies
Let me read that for you again
It is only the new IFB that believes that God has three bodies. Now if you think that that's true, you're an idiot
Okay, you are a literal idiot and I can prove you wrong in about five seconds
You know you prove to get proven wrong go to Google
Type the word Trinity into its images and just let all the images come out and you know what you're gonna see
Tons and tons of pictures of three bodies that were not drawn by me. I
Did not draw every single picture of
Three persons where there's three bodies and I certainly didn't draw the ones from the 1800s the 1600s the
1400s from the 6th century all the way back, you know, I didn't draw all those pictures
I don't know if you're shocked by that
I don't know if you're shocked by the idea that the new IFB didn't invent three bodies or something like that
That is coming from the the mind of an idiot or a liar or both probably both. Okay
But yes, I do believe in three bodies now the word body
Has a
Connotation with it. Some people always think of just a physical body when you hear the word body, of course
I do not believe that the Father and the Holy Spirit have a physical body like we do
Okay, only Jesus Christ became flesh like us. So there is
Certainly some distinction between the body of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit
Okay that that's very evident in Scripture
But to say that they have no body I believe is deny a lot of clear Scripture
We're gonna look at that here in a minute
I'm I want to make one more point before I get there and this is just kind of my personal view on
Well, how far can you take this view of the Trinity to the point where you're not saved?
Okay, some people ask this question. Like what like what view on the Trinity makes you not saved and
my
Personal views I kind of have two sides of the equation. All right
Anybody that denies that there's one God is not saved
Okay. Now this
Polytheism could be in a lot of forms like it could you could believe in one got like two gods three gods a trillion gods
I don't really care how many numbers you want to put on it. It's just all wrong and some people ascribe
People that believe in the Trinity to this called try theism or they believe in three gods
I don't believe in three gods
anybody that
Really? No one even believes that but there are people that believe in multiple gods things like the Mormons
Okay, the Mormons believe in multiple gods
There are some cults and fringe groups that believe and polytheism not safe now when it comes to the Trinity
I believe if you deny the three persons
You are not safe now if you don't like the word person, okay
I'm not saying that person's unsaved but basically when you're just denying
The three then I don't believe you're saved at all. I had you go to 1st Timothy
I thought of another verse I want you to go to real quick
Keep your finger there, but go to 1st John 2 for a second go to 1st John chapter number 2
Let me give you some examples of what I mean by denying three persons. Someone might say this the father
Became the son. Okay, that's denying a distinction between the father and the son and
That kind of gets into a doctrine called modalism
There's other variations and other forms of this
but if you're saying that the father is just
Pretending to be the son or became the son or acting like the son or has the Sun Hat on or the Sun mode or
Something all of that would be a denial of three persons and I believe that person's not saved
Okay, that person does not understand the Trinity whatsoever
Or someone that would say well the father just has the role of the Sun when he became incarnate
I don't believe that person's safe. You also hear a lot of red flag language. Like Jesus is the father now
sometimes people
trying to
articulate the Trinity
May use poorly worded language and they may make statements like that and depending on what context they're saying
They're not necessarily saying something wrong, but they're just not articulating themselves very well
But people that are sincerely believing that Jesus and the Father are the exact same person
That person's not safe
Okay
If they don't think there's this distinction between these people that the father is just wearing a son bodysuit or something like that
That person is not believing in the God of the Bible. Okay?
So I believe that you can get a little bit mixed up on this
You can get a little off. I do think that
People could deny the idea of separate bodies and still be saved
they could not like the word persons and still be saved but
This is my view. And again, this is my personal opinion people that deny the three persons
I'm going to say that not necessarily like the wording is not necessarily meaning they're unsaved, but they almost always are not saying
Okay, it's kind of like when you go soul winning and you run into people and if you talk to them
they'll say well if you're saved you're gonna do the works and
It's like someone that believes that someone who's saved by faith alone will always do works
I don't think that's Danville heresy
But the vast majority of people that believe this and teach this are also just not saved because they teach a hardcore lordship
Salvation or work salvation attached with it, but you'll find sometimes occasional people are mixed up
Misunderstanding that a little bit. I think the same is with the Trinity
There are some people that they get really kind of off and they they kind of start getting into these weird
Realms of where they kind of think like, you know that it's just this one
Person and they can't really articulate it very well and they're not it's not that they're unsaved
They're just a little bit confused
Here's another thing that I I think is close to Daniel heresy is denying the eternal sonship of Jesus
Now I don't think it's Danville heresy
But I do think it's close and I think that the vast majority of people that believe this are also not saved
Okay, so when we look at people like st. Augustine
He doesn't believe according to a lot of these people in the three bodies the three persons
he thinks that there's just this somehow this is this one and some kind of a triune fashion and
This is what's being exposited as the idea of the classical Trinity now
I I don't believe that that's true
You can you can argue with me as long as you want
But I do not believe it's true that
Every single Catholic and every single person from antiquity and the classical Orthodox view was that there was only one
person this one
being
Beings maybe not the right word, but just one
Object that is all three, but that was rather there is literally three persons three bodies
Okay, and again my evidence is the fact that why is literally almost every single picture whether you talk about the stained-glass
windows at the Catholic Church the paintings all the art and all the culture from all of these centuries having
multiple bodies
Explain to me that explain how they're they're constantly drawing things that they don't believe
For
Hundreds and hundreds of years and they just deny the idea of multiple body
I believe that it's very likely that they did believe in multiple bodies and that people are lying and gaslighting and trying to rewrite history
To fit in this weird modalist version of the Trinity. Okay, and
I don't agree with it. Now. What are some of their arguments?
Well, okay. I told you to go somewhere. Let me prove my point first John chapter 2 look at verse 22
The Bible says who is a liar, but he that might that Jesus of the Christ
He is anti Christ that denied the father and the son
Whosoever denied the son the same hath not the father but he that acknowledged of the son hath the father also
It's according the Bible. You have to acknowledge both the father and the son go to chapter 2 a
2nd John and I want to show you another verse here
But you have to believe in a father and a son or you just don't have the God of the Bible folks
Okay, the Jews
The or the practice of Judaism denies this reality of the Trinity. They're like God is one
God is one, you know and the Muslims deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God
Okay
it's because they're not saved is because it's an
Antichrist religion and sometimes this oneness view of the Trinity seems to get really close to that
and and if anybody leaps to the idea or
Articulates the idea that somehow there's not this real father and son relationship. That's that's existed and always existed
I don't think they're saved. Okay, that's that's a denial of the doctrine of Christ and
2nd John it gives another warning look at verse 3 for a definition first
grace be with you mercy and peace from God the Father and
From the Lord Jesus Christ the son of the Father and true the love
So according the Bible Jesus Christ is not the Father. He's the son of the Father
So when people are trying to tell you that Jesus is the Father and he there's only one person
That sits on a throne and all this language or they baptize only in Jesus name
That's a bunch of hints blink blink blink warning warning warning
This person doesn't believe in the Trinity and it doesn't matter if they adopt Trinity language if that's what they're explaining
they still don't believe and what I believe is the Trinity or
you know what is
being articulated in Scripture for sure and
How how is this father-son relationship that's the whole Bible
Gonna be understood when it's not actually two persons. Okay, that's where it gets really confusing
Look at verse 9
Whosoever transgresses and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ hath not God he that abideth in the doctrine of Christ
He hath both
The father and the son, you know the word both means it implies there's more than one
You gotta have the father and you gotta have the son if you deny one you deny both
Because you know what makes a father a father a son and you know, it makes a son a son a father
And when you eliminate one you eliminate both, okay
So that's why we have the father the son and the Holy Ghost. All right
Now let's get into our text. All right, let's go to 1st Timothy chapter 1
1st Timothy chapter 1 I want to prove a lot of things in the Bible point
One is this is that I believe in the Trinity. It has distinct bodies
I do believe in distinct bodies for the Father Son and the Holy Ghost and
Of course a lot of these people say well in his incarnation and that's just a fancy word
For when Jesus became flesh, that's what that means by incarnation that Jesus literally became a man
He took on human form he took on flesh
Okay, but this is what people will say as an objection to the idea of having multiple bodies. They'll say well
God is invisible
Okay, so they'll say because God is invisible
God doesn't have a body. Okay. This is this is basically their argument
Okay, and so I just want to show you what the Bible says in this issue. Look at 1st Timothy chapter 1
Look at verse 17 now into the king eternal immortal
Invisible the only wise God be honor and glory forever and ever I'm in
Bible is clear and gives a definition attribute to God of being invisible
Okay, go if you would to
John 1 now go to John chapter 1
I'll give you another verse Colossians 1 15 who is the image of the
invisible God the firstborn of every creature here's
The Bible says there's a couple places a couple times
It gives the attribute to God of being invisible that does not give this attribute to Jesus
Gives this attribute to God and I believe it's clearly in reference to the Father
That's what it's trying to say is that the Father is invisible that God is invisible in that way. What does invisible mean?
If you look up invisible in the dictionary, it says unable to be seen
Not visible. Okay, that sounds pretty basic right now
I want to ask you a question who in here can see God the Father right now
If you can you should leave. All right
Okay
You so if you can't see him now, wait a minute, we're inside what if you go outside
Can you look up into the third heaven and see God the Father?
No, so that seems like someone that's not able to be seen right someone that is
Unable to be seen and not visible doesn't both of those definitions apply to God the Father right now. Does that
Automatically mean he doesn't have a body
No
What about this in Acts when the Apostle Paul is talking to a lot of the Gentiles?
He says to the unknown God, they have an altar ascribed to God as the unknown God
But is that true that God is unknowable and that no one could know him?
Or is it just they didn't know who he was but Paul did right?
Does that mean just because we can't see God that no one could see God?
How here's a question can Jesus Christ see God?
If Jesus Christ can see God busy invisible in the context that no one could ever see him
Or is it just in the context that we can't see him? Okay, so
Let's just keep reading and see what the Bible says. Look at John 1 verse 1
No, man
Hath seen God at any time the only begotten Son which is in the bosom of the Father he hath declared him
So now we're getting more definition about this
It's not just saying that no one can see him and saying no man has ever seen God
Go to chapter 6 real quick and look at verse 46 and we're gonna jump around a lot
So get ready to do the sword drill John 6 verse 46. Look what the Bible says about God
John 6 verse 46 not that any man hath seen the Father save
He which is of God he hath seen the Father
Now, wait a minute
Let's take all of these verses and then start formulating what invisible actually means
Right because there's invisible meaning that no one could ever see God
No
That's not what we're really getting because didn't we just literally read where it says that the Son has seen the Father and
Aren't we getting a little bit clear idea of that?
We weren't just talking about God and then some kind of an essence or ontological view
But rather we were talking specifically about the Father. No man has seen the Father
Only Jesus Christ has seen the Father. That's what it's saying
Now let's get even more specific go to
Exodus chapter 33 go to Exodus chapter 33
The Bible says in Genesis 32 and Jacob called the name of the place
Peniel for I have seen God face to face and my life is preserved
Now, how are you going to balance that verse with other verses that say no one's seen God at any time?
How can you this is one of the atheists would say Oh contradictions the Bible, but you know what? I'm not an atheist
Okay, so I believe the Bible how can the Bible say that no one's seen God and then it says that this guy's seen God
How is that possible? Well, let's let's explain it to you because there's the Father
That no one has seen and then there's the Son which is also God which people have seen
So that's how you explain that, okay
Here's another reference Exodus 33 verse 20 and he said thou cannot see my face
For there shall no man see me and live. So wait a minute
We went from at first is not being able to see anything
to
now talking about the Father then talking about how the son's actually seen them and then
No, it's actually men can't just see his face
So we're getting really actually dialed in to what we're even actually talking about. Okay, what are we really?
What is the Bible really saying? No one can see God the Father's face
And specifically while we're here on earth, we can't even see anything now there has been a man
That has seen parts of God the Father. Let's keep reading
It says in verse 21 and the Lord said behold there is a place by me and thou shalt stand upon a rock and it
Shall come to pass while my glory passeth by that
I will put thee in a cliff to the rock and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by and I will take away
Mine hand and thou shalt see my back parts, but my face shall not be seen
Now, you know who we're actually talking about. This is God the Father with Moses in the mount saying that he's gonna cover him with his hand
Now, you know hands are usually on a body FYI
Okay, and then he's saying he's saying like as he covers him then he's gonna he's gonna let go of his head and he's gonna
See what his back parts, but is he gonna see his face?
Here's a question has any man ever seen God the Father's face
Is it because it's invisible or is it because you wouldn't live because you would be killed by the brilliance of his face
In fact Moses face shown so bright from just actually even seeing just the back parts of God. It was so bright
I've heard there's like this interesting video online
these soldiers who were testing nuclear warheads out in the ocean and
They would tell them that you can't even look at the blight
they said like you they turned away from it and they were told to bury their eyes into their hands or their arms like this and
They said when the nuke went off the light was so brilliant that all of a sudden they could see the bones in their hands
Like they're going like this and they're seeing the bones in their hand
They said that the soldiers are literally, you know using the bathroom on themselves crying and asking for mommy. It was so
Terrifying of an experience and that is a human means of light
The brilliance that God has goes beyond that to the point where if you literally saw God you would just die
Now here's the thing
Why is it that God's not revealing himself to us?
Because he doesn't want to kill all of us
okay, and
You say well, well, then why is it you know that he's it's that way. Well, we're too sinful
We're just too sinful
we can't be around the holiness and the brilliance of God and the only way for God to have some kind of
reconciliation relationship and intermediary
Was for Jesus Christ to put on flesh and to be the God man so that we could have that intermediary
Between God and man is this saying when it says the invisible God God doesn't have a body
That's that's a really poor way to execute the scripture
I mean we just talked about him having a hand his back parts and he's not gonna see his face. It's metaphors
metaphors for what
What this is this is insane, okay, if you're gonna take the Bible to that level of metaphor
What else are you gonna metaphor? Okay, that's silly. There are metaphors in the Bible. I get it
I'm for them. But at the end of the day if you think this is a metaphor, you're not being honest with the scripture
Okay
Go to Exodus 19 go backwards a little bit
This is why and and you know, it's kind of interesting when you read the Bible, you don't understand all these things
I certainly didn't but when God the Father shows up in the Bible, you know, he's always covered in something
He's always covered in what?
Clouds or fire or smoke or something? Why is that? Because if we could see him directly would just die
So he has to shroud himself. He has to clothe himself in
Clouds or fire or something so that we aren't consumed by his holiness
Even the tabernacle itself has all these specific
Designs where it's all these curtains and everything's the design in a specific way because you can't just be hanging out
With God the Father you'll die
He's he's too brilliant. Just like staring at the Sun is too difficult
You can't just do it is the same way God is that he's just too brilliant
He's just too holy he's too righteous for us to be in the presence of him
Okay, Exodus chapter 19 look at verse 18 and Mount Sinai was all together on a smoke
because the Lord descended upon it in fire and
the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace and the whole Mount quaked greatly and
when the voice of the trumpet sounded long and waxed louder and louder Moses spake and God answered him by a voice and
The Lord came down upon Mount Sinai on
the top of the mount and the Lord called Moses up to the top of the mount and Moses went up and the Lord said
unto Moses go down charge the people lest they break through unto the Lord to gaze and
Many of them perish notice what it says if you broke through and you somehow
Tried to sneak through that that haze of smoke or fire or whatever and you actually got a glimpse of God. What would happen?
You would die and he's saying just stay away because you just can't handle it don't come over here
Only certain people are allowed to be around here and even Moses
He spoke with God as the Bible says face to face, but it wasn't him looking at his face
He's looking at a cloud of smoke and and God the Father's there. It's face to face, but he just can't quite see it
It's clouded in the smoke and they're still talking to each other like a man would talk right next to another man
But you know, there's just still this this kind of cloud this mystery the shroud
That's that's the keeping him from dying
Okay, and of course, that's what the Bible's really describe go to Genesis 18. I want to show you an interesting picture here
Now
some things in the Bible are not necessarily for a
Here's a gotcha proof some are just kind of cool little pictures what I'm about to show you
I don't think is necessarily a proof of anything
But I think when you actually have the view of God that we do it kind of becomes cool
this is kind of a cool tidbit, but
In Genesis chapter number 18. We have a story of God
Visiting Abraham the Bible talks about the Lord visiting Abraham and I want to turn there myself because I don't have every verse in my notes
here, but
look at verse
Number one the Bible says in the Lord
Appeared on him in the plains of Mamre and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day
And he lift up his eyes and looked and lo three men stood by him. It's interesting
He's like hey the Lord appeared and then to describes its three men
Then as we keep reading it says and when he saw them he ran to meet them
From the tent door and bow themself toward the ground and said my lord now that's just interesting language
Now we understand from the story and Genesis chapter 19 that this was the Lord and two angels
There's no mistaking that that's who this was was literally
But I think what the Bible is doing is it's just giving us this interesting language
To kind of just give some illusions of what the Trinity is like and you kind of have this idea of the three men
And he's calling him Lord and it goes back and forth through this. It's pretty cool
but I want to skip down to verse 20 and
It says in the Lord said because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great and because their sin is very grievous I
Will go down now and see whether they have done all together according to the cry of it
Which has come unto me and if not, I will know now who is it that said this in verse number 21?
I will go down verse 20. It says that the Lord said so according the Bible is saying God's saying like I'm gonna go down
Okay
Now look at what it says in verse 22 and the men turn their faces from thence and went towards Sodom
But Abraham stood yet before the Lord so it says that the Lord is gonna go down two men go down
And then it says yet
Abraham was with the Lord
Isn't that kind of interesting because it's almost like the Lord went but then the Lord's still there
Well, how does that work? It would almost be like the three were all the Lord now we know
For a fact that the two men went down with angels
They weren't the Lord but you kind of get that illusion again, don't you and think about the picture that is painting?
Isn't this the picture of how the Lord came down God came down from heaven
But who came down the Son and the Holy Ghost but the Father didn't so you have that picture of God
The Father staying and the Son being sent down and the Holy Spirit going down to check on the world
To approve the world of sin to deal with the world
But the Father staying behind and you get that same illusion of the Trinity again, this is just sugar on top
This is not something I wouldn't prove the Trinity from this passage. Okay, don't don't don't take this and run with it. All right
but go if you would to
chapter 19 for a moment and look at some more though because
We had the Lord talking with Abraham and then eventually the Lord does go down
Okay, and or at least still is focusing on Sodom from afar either way the Lord is focusing on and who's the Lord here
It's the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ
now
It's interesting that every time we see Jesus in the Old Testament
They had he had a body
Like when when he was wrestling with Jacob, it wasn't a metaphor
He was literally right. He was really wrestling with a man
You know when Joshua sees a guy on a horse and he's asking him if he's for us or for them and he's like nay
Okay, that's Jesus again. Okay, and he had a body
Every time he showed up and this is before he's ever been born
How is it that he has a body before he's born because he had a body before he was born
It's that simple
Well, how does that work? It's just how it works. Okay. No, he said well, what was that body like?
It was it had glory because as we look in John chapter 17 in moment
We'll notice that Jesus Christ had glory with the Father before he ever assent. He ever descended down into the earth. So
Whatever it was it was and it looked human to most everybody that's interacting with him
But look at Genesis chapter 19 verse 24 then the Lord
rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire
From the Lord out of heaven now a lot of times people say when Jesus Christ is talking to God the Father
On this earth that's talking about his incarnation talking to God. Wait a minute. This is before the incarnation
Jesus Christ has never been
incarnated and notice that the Lord is
Dealing with the other Lord in heaven. The Lord is raining fire down from the Lord in heaven. Notice that there is two
working together and
The Lord is sending fire
From whom the other Lord the Lord is sending from the same or from from the Lord. Okay, so
We already have this distinction of persons in the Old Testament go view into Revelation chapter 22
and I'm going to kind of finish this idea of this invisible God, but I
Think when you compare all the verses on invisible
We start to get a better and clearer picture of what it's actually trying to say
It's not saying that no one can see God is it?
It's not saying that
You literally it's physically impossible
And it's not saying that no one has because Jesus has for sure already and it's not saying that you couldn't even see parts of him
Because Moses literally saw parts of him. It was saying you couldn't see his face and
Specifically, no one right now is able to just look up and see God the Father. He's up. He's hidden in the clouds
He's hidden in the third heaven. We can't see him from here. The naked eye can't see it
And and don't use this language all the time if we'd say hey the bacteria on this on this pulp
It's invisible. What do we mean by that? I mean, I'd have to have a microscope to see it
You know
There's certain things if you had infrared goggles on you could see and without you couldn't see it's invisible to the naked eye
It doesn't mean it can't ever be seen. It's just saying I can't see it
Okay, and that's the the finite aspects of who we are as being human
But there's gonna come a day when we have a glorified body and
Praise God that the glorified body can handle
Looking at God the Father look what it says in Revelation 22 verse 3 and there shall be no more curse
but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it and his servant shall serve him and they shall see his face and
His name shall be in it forth. So there's coming a day when we will be able to see God the Father's face
Now isn't that gonna be pretty disappointing when you find out he doesn't have a body
I
Mean you get this great lead-up and I mean, let's all be real
If you are going on a dating app, or if you were on a blind date
What is the one thing you want to see more than any other body part?
It's the face right and the face is always the deal breaker or the deal maker. You know what I mean?
It's like it looks okay, but what about the face?
Okay, and of course the face is what we look at when we look at humans when we're looking at people
What is the the primary part of their body that we're usually focused on it's their face
That's how we express each other talk to each other. It's it's the great aspect of
Humanity of of God, it's the face the face is so important and it's so important that we could see God the Father's face
And so, you know the Muslims don't get this way they hide women's faces, you know, it's like what are you doing?
Okay, you're ruining it go to the Matthew 22 go to Matthew 22
But of course, you know, not everything is going to be understood perfectly in our finite minds
That's okay and you know you say well, how can three persons be one God how could three bodies be one God?
Well, just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's not true
Okay
So I'm going to draw something it's called a line
in a
Two-dimensional world. This is a line. It cannot understand shapes
It has no idea what shapes are it can only deal in lines
okay, but you could take multiple of these lines and put them together and
You could have a square now this probably isn't perfect square. Don't judge me. All right, it's close
but here's the thing this is a
two-dimensional object a
Square now what if I said hey, there's multiple squares
But they make up one shape
To this to this 2d world. It would say like that doesn't make sense. How could to be one?
How could to be one but then if you look at it from a 3d object world
Here's another square
and
Here's another square. It's like how are these three squares one shape in a 3d world?
it is and a 2d world you would say it could never be that way and
Of course, we live in a 3d world. Is it possible that there's another dimension? There's another height of knowledge
Above us where God is three persons and one God and we can't understand it because we're in a three-dimensional finite world
Yeah, I believe so
But does that mean it doesn't really exist or is it true?
No, it just means that we have a limited understanding of what these things are really like
okay, now
I'm gonna give you a
couple drawings here. I've kind of pre drawn. All right
Now in the middle is my view and our church's view on the Trinity
That we have the Father we have the Son we have the Holy Ghost the three persons and that is God
God is the Father Son and Holy Ghost
Okay, and the Son is not the Father the Father is not the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is not the Son
Alright, and these three persons make one God the Son is God. The Father is God. The Holy Ghost is God
You know what? They're all God and they're fully God too. It's not like this is just part of God or part of God
They're all 100% God the best analogy I've ever used in my opinion is a tri-layer cake
And you could watch that sermon if you want to but basically each layer is cake
But it makes up one cake and you say well, how's that true? Well eat a tri-layer cake
It's cool assignment. And yes, I do believe that there is three
Persons, okay now is the Father and the Son different in the sense that the Son is
The God man that the Son became flesh. Absolutely. Did he have a different body?
Sure, is God a spirit? Sure, but you know the Bible talks about the difference between physical bodies
Spiritual bodies. Okay, and when people die and they go to hell, you know what they still have a body there that's burning
Have you realized that it still has hands and eyes and a mouth and everything that's going on
And when people die here on on earth and they go to heaven stub a body
Okay, so there's a lot more to just our flesh and of course when we talk about God, you know
He does it does God the Father have a flesh body like us?
No, because in the beginning of the you know
Bible's account it talks about how man has flesh and so his spirit will not only strive with you know
Strive with us and he can't necessarily hang out with as much because we're for flesh and we're flawed and we have sin
There's all these issues, right?
so he has to give us a glorified flesh at some point so that we can hang out with him, but
Also the Holy Spirit, you know, he descended upon Jesus Christ in bodily form and you know in order to do something bodily
You typically have to have something it's called a body
Okay. Now what is the Holy Spirit look like? That's a mystery
Most drawings and pictures literally draw it as a dove. I do not believe that he is a dove, okay
You know, I don't know what shape the the Holy Spirit is. And exactly my best guess is that he looks like the father son, okay
Obviously, I don't know what distinctions are like because guess what? I haven't seen God. Okay, if you have don't tell me about it. All right
Then there's another view
Which is kind of you know, I'm giving I'm giving them the bit of the doubt that they have some level of Trinity in here
It's kind of like a oneness view and and basically just they're all just just this one thing
But it's triune
Whatever that means and they'll even sometimes give lip service to three persons
But then when you talk about them, there's not three bodies and I'm thinking like well, how is it three persons?
And I don't know they can't explain to you what a person is or how it has any relevance to that word
But basically you kind of have like this outline and you have another one and like a third one
You have like this inward one and this like other body or this other not body, but other shape
I don't know for lack of a better word another one and they'll say well
You can't see the father because God's a spirit and he's invisible
Okay, and you know the Sun is the way that you can see and then it's just like basically just this one person
I don't believe in this version of the Trinity. I also don't see how it's really a Trinity
I think it completely denies the idea of three persons one God and it's just hijacking language
From the Trinity so that people don't call you a heretic. It's not because you believe it
It's because you don't want to be called a heretic
So you just say I believe in three persons, but then you explain this and and then people are like
How is that three persons? It's like those little mariachi dolls. I don't know what you call them. What's it? That's not mariachi
What's the right word? What is it?
Nesting dolls. Yeah, but this what's the fancy word?
Minushka or baboon. What is it?
Minushka, I can't look it up. All right, it's Russian or something
She said it I'm never gonna say it that good. All right, but there's these Russian nesting dolls
Except for they're acting like you can't actually pull one out and see the inward ones, you know
They're just I guess permanently stacked or something. And again people say that's not what I believe
Okay
but I'm just trying to give you some semblance of
What they kind of subscribe to and how they're kind of describing things because they'll say hey on the throne. There's only one
There's only one person and I've heard them say well
There's this the father is like the body and the sons the arm and the Holy Spirit's the fingers
Okay, I don't know how you get that. But again, this is what I subscribe to and it makes some verses a little bit easier
Okay, look at verse 42 saying what we what think ye of Christ whose son is he?
They say of him unto him the son of David
He saith unto them how then doth David and spirit call him Lord saying the Lord
Said unto my Lord sit thou on my right hand till I make thine enemies thy footstool if David then call him Lord
How is he a son? I love this portion of Scripture. It's like how is the Lord talking to the Lord?
Well here it makes a lot of sense, right?
God the Father is talking to the son and God the Father is saying to the son. Hey sit on my right hand
Now that's pretty easy to picture where the son is literally sitting at the right end of the father
Read this verse with this in mind
The the Lord was saying to the Lord sit on my right hand. What I didn't get it
So then they just say it's a metaphor a metaphor for what?
This is this is where you just start getting weird
Okay, now again could someone be confused and not understanding things and be saved maybe
But at the end of the day like you're just making a mess of the Bible
Making a mess of a lot of these verses go to John 8 for a moment
Here's another idea of what the Bible says Matthew 26
Jesus say of them thou hast said nevertheless I say unto you hereafter
You shall see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of power and coming in the clouds
Oh, you know the Bible says that Jesus is sitting at the right hand of the power of God in so many different ways
You know and and again if it's a metaphor explain me the metaphor
Well, what it just means is that he has power
I'm sitting by the right hand of power to prove that I have power. That's stupid
That doesn't even make any sense. You're just not being
Honest with the text. Okay, but they just they don't like this because then they say oh you believe in tri theism
And this is the this is the accusation you get if you believe in the Trinity
Most of the time when someone is saying or attacking someone saying you believe in tri theism it is Muslims
and Jews
Attacking Christians for believing in the Trinity. That's where it's typically coming from
But then you'll even have these people try to accuse you of being tri theist now
Let me say something. I don't know of never heard of and can't find
Anyone alive that believes in tri theism and what I mean by that is they say I'm a tri theist or I?
Subscribe to try theism the only people that you can even find when you look this up are dead people
Like people that were killed by the Catholic Church hundreds of years ago
Well, do we even know that they really believe this?
Was this a false accusation attributed to someone that believed this was it actually a Mormon heretic of antiquity?
You know, I don't know
But what I do know is that literally no one believes this and they'll say well
Explain to me the difference between your view and try theism tri theism believes that there's three different gods
And why I drew them in different colors is because if they don't have the same essence nature and unity, then they're different
They can't all be blue because they have differences
Okay, the thing that is unique about the Trinity is they all have the exact same essence
substance
Everything they have perfect unity, okay
And
So they are fully God. There's not like a part of them. That's not God or they're almost God
they're a hundred percent God and they're all the same if you
Just for a second can imagine
Bill Gates and Elon Musk come and they make an exact clone of you
Okay, all of a sudden it pops out and it is you it looks exactly like you it talks
Exactly like you it has all the exact same thoughts
memories feelings
dimples hairs
How is it not you
Like at what point does is it which one is you? I mean if it was a exactly
Exactly the same in every single way you could ever imagine
Every single decision it makes is the exact same as the other decision. Which one is you?
And here's the thing if the Father the Son and Holy Ghost have the exact same attributes
They're both they're all the truth. They're all the light. They're all from eternity
They're all I mean every single thing then
There's only one God folks
There's only one God and they have a perfect unity. They never disagree. There's no
Disunity there's no this
Joining of any
Potential thought feel I mean they're basically in perfect unison
Well, then you know what that is the definition or the articulation of the Trinity that they're one in essence one in substance
They're co-eternal and they they have their co-equal, but there's a distinction
There's still the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost. Okay, so God has revealed himself as three persons
He always is three persons. God is three persons. Okay. It's not that he became three persons
It's he is three persons. Okay, that would be the Trinity's idea. This is why
You you have the distinctions and you can still say that there's one God
Now there's earthly examples that will always fall apart
But if you know if I had three one dollar bills, you wouldn't say that there's three versions of the one dollar bill
There's just one one dollar bill and I have three of them
Okay, there's only one God and we have three persons and they're all God
They're all 100% God and this is kind of to wrap our minds around
What does it say in John chapter 8 verse 17?
Says it is also written in your law. The testimony of two men is true
I am one that bear witness of myself and the father that sent me bear witness of me
Why would he compare?
Them to two men. Well, this is a really clear, you know similar idea
He's saying hey two people give witness in a court of law me and the father also bear witness and it's two witnesses
Two witnesses now just to give you a quick rundown. I'm not gonna get through all my points this evening
We could be here. We'd be here for another hour. All right, so and you don't want that. All right
But
Just to kind of wrap up this this first point a little bit and and I'm just gonna pull a few things out
but
Here is Matthew Henry's commentary on the New Testament. All right, so I expect y'all to read this by tonight. No, I'm just kidding
But all these heretics people like Tyler Baker and other of his ilk
They'll try to claim like they believe in the church fathers and the church fathers didn't believe in these distinctions of
Persons or bodies or anything like that and you can read all you want about this junk, but first of all
I've already proven that that's wrong. Just type in the word Trinity in Google Images and notice that there's a picture of multi this
Everywhere, okay
Sometimes it's a dove I get it but at the end of the day there was three bodies. All right, I'll be it
I don't necessarily agree the dove version
Okay, but I'm just saying they even have this picture several different times. I didn't invent it
Okay, it's its claim that I invented it is you're just denying reality. You're like a flat earther, okay?
But I'll just give you some samples of Matthew Henry go to John 17 go to John chapter 17
Who is Matthew Henry another unsaved person that's burning in hell
Okay, you read Matthew Henry's commentary on the New Testament and all the places about faith and he teaches repent of your sins and work
Salvation and Calvinism and just like it doesn't sound saved at all. Okay
Say why do you have this?
Someone gave it to me and I didn't ask for it. Okay, but I was just like every once in a while
I'm just like hey, what did this unsaved weirdo believe, you know, I'll just check it out, but I thought okay
Well, let's just see is every single person of antiquity and all these church fathers
Teaching this or were they teaching this? Okay. I'll let you be the judge. All right, and
I have it. You can literally read it here. I'm just gonna give you quotes because I type them out as well
But in John chapter 17 5 this is his commentary about that verse and we'll read it here in a second
But he says it is the glory he had with God before the world was so this is the quote of the text
By this it appears that Jesus Christ as God had a being
before the world was
co-eternal with the Father
Our religion acquaints us with one that was before all things and by whom are all things consist
That his glory with the Father is from everlasting as well as his existence with the Father
For he was from eternity the brightness of his father's glory
Now does that sound like someone that's subscribing to this when he's saying that the son had a being that was eternal
That was with the Father or does it sound like he's subscribing to this?
Sounds like to me they subscribing to this but of course these people say
Oh, yeah, Matthew Henry agrees with our version of the Trinity
Well, you know what? We can't dig him up and we can't pull him out of hell and ask him. Hey, I
Have a really important question before we send you back to hell which version of the Trinity. Did you subscribe to it?
Because that matters even right? Why does it Matt? Why does it matter? Let's just say he agreed with this version
Does that change my opinion on anything? No
What about that no still doesn't matter
But you know what? These people are liars and they have no credibility because the Bible doesn't teach their doctrine
So they have to dig up old guys and say this is what they've always taught. So that's what we have to believe
You know what? I don't care if you dug up every old dead guy and they all believe that I'm
Still gonna believe what the Bible says
The Bible is always right. Yay. Let God be true in every man a liar
But at the same time there's no reason to falsely accuse Matthew Henry of believing your weird version of the Trinity
Okay, and I mean John 17. I love this verse
This verse is so cool because it just shatters so many false doctrines
But let's just read it from the King James. It says and now Oh father glorify thou me with thine own self
With the glory which I had with thee before the world was well, this is just one self that exists, you know
That's stupid. He's saying the father has his own self and that he had one with him from win forever
He's always had that they have their own selves. That sounds like own selves here
Okay, and he had glory with him and that's what Matthew Henry is basically commentating on go to 1st Corinthians chapter 15
Go to 1st Corinthians chapter 15
And
Look at verse 27
1st Corinthians chapter 15 look at verse 27
The Bible says for he hath put all things under his feet
But when he saith all things are put under him it is manifest that he is accepted which did put all things under him
So it's saying hey God the Father isn't under the Sun
Okay
It's obvious. It's obvious. I don't even have to make that point, but I just made it for
You idiots all right for you you weirdos, this is Matthew common
This is Matthew's commentary on this. He sat down with his father on his throne
Does that sound like this again or does it sound like the guy sitting next to his father?
Then was the prediction verified. I
Have set my king upon my holy hill of Zion placed him on his throne
this is meant by the phrase so frequent in the writings of the New Testament of sitting at the right hand of God and
Then he quotes mark 1619 Romans 834 Colossians 1 or 3 1 on the right end of power
mark 14
1662 Luke 22 69 on the right hand of the throne of God Hebrews 12 to on the right hand of the throne of the
Majesty in the heavens Hebrews 8 1 sitting down in this seat
This is Matthew Henry's words sitting down in this seat is taking upon him the exercise of his
mediatorial power and royalty
Mediatorial what does that mean a mediator?
He's saying that Jesus is sitting next to God the Father at his right hand to be a mediator
Does that sound like one person or does that sound like two people? It sounds like there's someone in between a mediator
Matthew Henry subscribes to our verse. It doesn't sound like he does and again
I'm not I don't know what he believed what I I know for a fact is when I actually read
What he said and I look at all the Catholic pictures that are in all their churches
This is it coming up. This is coming up. Now. There are a few weird pictures
Where they have like three faces and it kind of looks like this
Okay, so I won't lie to you are there pictures that kind of look like that with three faces?
Yes, there are you know, it's in the vast majority this picture
Multiple people. Okay, multiple bodies
Go go to Hebrews. We'll finish in Hebrews. All right in
Hebrews chapter 1
I
I'm gonna give you another
Quote from Matthew Henry as well, but we're gonna read the text here
Just right after the tease Hebrews chapter 1 look at verse number
3 the Bible says who being the brightness of his glory and the express image of his person and
Upholding all things by the word of his power when he had by himself purged our sins sat down on the right hand of the majesty
on high
Now a few things that this verse is amazing
Think about what it just said the express image of his person. What does express image mean? It means it looks exactly
Like the other thing so the express image means it looks identical
Like there's no variation whatsoever
Now imagine if I said Jesus Christ looks exactly like something you could never see
He
Is exact I mean he looks exactly like the thing you'll never see and could never be seen
That doesn't make sense folks in order to be the express image of something something has to exist that looks like that
That you're emulating
so if Jesus Christ looks exactly like a person and
He's the express image of his person
It sounds like the father has a person that looks like something that I can literally see
Because why because the father has a body it's not it's not rocket science, okay?
Jesus Christ is the express image of his person and not only this he sat down at the right hand of the majesty on high
Again denoting the two persons that we have the father as a person if you look it up in Corinthians
The Bible describes Jesus Christ as a person and so that's why I use that language a person notice. It's biblical
It doesn't say that it says God the Father is a person. I didn't make that up. That's what the Bible says
And look at verse 5 for under which the angels said he at any time thou art my son this day
I've ever gotten thee and again
I will beat to him a father and he shall be to me a son
Here's Matthew come Matthew Henry's commentary in verse 5. I will beat him a father and he should be to me a son
Not only quote am I his father and is he my son by nature and eternal
promenade and
Then he I'm not gonna read the whole rest of the quote
But he basically likens how God's not just the father the son
But he's also a father unto us and that's kind of the essence that he gives
But what he notes denotes about the son is he says the son is by nature
by nature the son and
eternal promenade
Promenade what does that mean?
Kind of coming from the root of emanation emanation is where something's flowing forth the origin or the source
Meaning what that the Son of God has always been the Son of God by nature
By nature, he's always been the son. Okay, there wasn't a point when he became the son. He is the son
It's not that Jesus Christ became the son. He is the Son of God. Okay. He is the son of man and
Look at verse number eight the Bible says but unto the son he saith thy throne Oh God is
Forever and ever we could show over and over that the Son is God
The Son is God. The Son is God. The Son is God obviously God is God. The Father is God, right?
It says a scepter of righteousness the scepter of thy kingdom Dallas loved righteousness and hated iniquity. Therefore God even thy God
Have anointed thee with the oil of gladness both thy fellows, so we have the Son who's God and
Then it says even thy God
This actually makes sense
Okay, as far as our drawing with what the text is saying now, does this make perfect sense in our minds?
I will agree that this is somewhat difficult
Okay
there's a lot of things about the Trinity that our finite minds will probably never understand and
Until we go to heaven and even then I don't know if we'll ever fully understand all the mysteries of God
We may be learning for all of eternity and still not understand God fully because we're not God
God's just on a higher level than us and they believe you will always be on a higher level than us
but to deny
Three persons is on biblical to deny one God is unbiblical. We must have both the three persons in the one God
Well, that means you think there's three bodies, yes I do
Wow, you invented that no, I didn't, you know, I went to a play
To the church. I grew up in Trinity Fellowship Church
I went to a play when I was a kid and
In the play they would have God come into the play and you know what they did
They had this high balcony and they'd have three guys walk out and they represented God
One was the father one was Jesus and one was the Holy Spirit. Okay, so I guess that's where it came from, right?
No
No, and then you know the name of the churches Trinity Fellowship Church
You know, I didn't invent that church. I just showed up and they had three men
It wasn't the new IFB the new IFB didn't exist when I was a kid going to this church
The new IFB didn't exist when the Catholics drew pictures of three bodies over and over and over and over again
Don't get sucked into YouTube videos where they make these outlandish claims like the new IFB invented this
Anytime someone says the new IFB invented no matter what they say after that statement. They're lying. I
Don't know of a single thing of a single doctrine of a single belief of a single
Interpretation of Scripture that I could not find someone that taught it before I did. I
Venge it. There's no new thing under the Sun folks
You you want to say that we came up with a new view of the Trinity. That's really you know
Commendable on your part to think that I'm so wonderful and so smart I could do such a thing
but you know what every conceivable idea of the Trinity has already been thought of and
every nuance and every
Variation and they they've all existed for a long time and you know, what stood the test of time three persons one God
Don't go this route
No one goes this route. So just ignore it
It's a stupid false accusation by people that just don't know how to articulate themselves
But you know what? I'm not afraid of believing in three bodies like that doesn't scare me
I'm not like nervous and I have a lot more to talk about but that'll be for another sermon
All right, but I think it's important for us to you know, appreciate
You know under this understanding because it gives us a better idea of who God really is
I think it makes a lot of things make a lot more sense
I mean the father sending his son to be sacrificed this just is so much
A clear of a picture. I don't even know what this this is
Like what is this weird thing? Okay, that just doesn't make sense
and then you have people like Tyler Baker mocking God the Father sending his son to be the Savior of the world and
Sacrificing himself and now all of a sudden Tyler Baker says well, I believe in three persons one God
You know what when he says three persons one God, he still says this is wrong
It's like somehow and I'm not saying he would subscribe to this picture
Okay, but I'm just saying like when he describes persons, it's has nothing to do with a person
He's like, it's not body minds wills consciousness. And it's like well, how is it a person?
What does that even mean don't get sucked into people using the right words with wrong definitions?
All right, and people will do this. Let's go some prayer
Thank Heavenly Father so much for giving us
The revealed word of Scripture so we could understand you to the best of our ability the best of our knowledge
I pray that we would
Have a desire to know who the Father Son Holy Ghost is that you would reveal yourself
Unto us through the scripture through the Word of God. I pray that we wouldn't get intimidated
by
history or Church Fathers or theology or or some stupid YouTube video and
To you know, not and being afraid to believe what the Bible just says
We should just trust the scripture and deny
What man says because man's fallible man makes mistakes
And I pray that as we get a deeper understanding who God is that you would help us to
Appreciate more things of the Bible to grow and mature so that we wouldn't be caught away
by false teachers and and deceptions and
False understandings that would cloud our judgment or or cloud our understanding the Bible, but I pray that we would love
Doctrine that we'd love search in the scripture and that we would love the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost from Jesus
Let me pray. Amen
All right for our last song we're gonna go to song number 119
Till the storm passes by
Song 119
Till the storm passes by
One one nine
Till the storm passes by
In the dark of the midnight
Have I oft
Hit my face
While the storm
Pals above me and there's no
hiding place
Hear my cry
Till the storm
Till the thunder
Shouts no more
Till the clouds
Roll forever
From the sky
Hold me fast
Let me stand
In the hollow
Of my hand
Keep me safe
Till the storm
Passes by
Till the storm
Passes by
In the time
Safely whispered
There is no
Need to try
For there's no
End of sorrow
There's no hope
By and by
But I know
Thou art with me
And tomorrow
I'll rise
With the storm
Never dark
In the skies
Till the storm
Passes over
Till the thunder
Shouts no more
Till the clouds
Roll forever
From the sky
Hold me fast
Let me stand
In the hollow
Of my hand
Keep me safe
Till the storm
Passes by
When the long
Night has ended
And the storms
Come no more
Let me stand
In Thy presence
On that bright
Peaceful shore
In that land
Where the tempest
Never comes
Lord may I
Dwell with Thee
When the storm
Passes by
Till the storm
Passes over
Till the thunder
Shouts no more
Till the clouds
Roll forever
From the sky
Hold me fast
Let me stand
In the hollow
Of my hand
Keep me safe
Till the storm
Passes by
Great singing. You are dismissed.
Thank you for watching!