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Good morning everyone, welcome to Steadfast Baptist Church. If you could please find your seats and grab your song books.
We're going to be singing song 105, All That Thrills My Soul.
105, All That Thrills My Soul.
Song 105, All That Thrills My Soul.
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Who can cheer the heart like Jesus, by His presence all divine.
True and tender, pure and precious, all have lasting common mind.
All that thrills my soul is Jesus, He is more than life to me.
He is all and all to me, all that kills my soul is Jesus, He is more than life to me.
And the fairest of two thousand, give my plus to more I see.
By the crystal flowing river, with the ransomed I will see.
And forever and forever, praise and glorify the King.
All that kills my soul is Jesus, He is more than life to me.
And the fairest of ten thousand, give my plus to more I see.
Great singing everyone. Let's open up in a word of prayer.
Heavenly Father, thank you for this beautiful morning.
Thank you for our church and for the opportunity to serve you freely.
I pray that you please bless this morning.
Help us just to sing out with love in our hearts for you this morning with understanding.
And I pray that you bless our pastor as he preaches to us.
We love you in Jesus' name we pray, amen.
For our next song we'll go to 356, I Must Tell Jesus.
356, I Must Tell Jesus.
Song 356, I Must Tell Jesus.
I Must Tell Jesus, all of my trials.
I cannot bear these burdens alone.
In my distress He kindly will help me.
The King of her loves and cares for His own.
I Must Tell Jesus, I Must Tell Jesus.
I cannot bear my burdens alone.
I Must Tell Jesus, I Must Tell Jesus.
Jesus can help me, Jesus alone.
I Must Tell Jesus, all of my troubles.
He is a kind, compassionate man.
If I would ask Him, He will be never.
Make up my troubles, quickly and ever.
I Must Tell Jesus, I Must Tell Jesus.
I cannot bear my burdens alone.
I Must Tell Jesus, I Must Tell Jesus.
Jesus can help me, Jesus alone.
Tempted and tried, I need a great Savior.
One who can help my burdens to bear.
I Must Tell Jesus, I Must Tell Jesus.
He all my cares and sorrows will share.
I Must Tell Jesus, I Must Tell Jesus.
I cannot bear my burdens alone.
I Must Tell Jesus, I Must Tell Jesus.
Jesus can help me, Jesus alone.
I Must Tell Jesus, I Must Tell Jesus.
He all my cares and sorrows will share.
I Must Tell Jesus, I Must Tell Jesus.
He all my cares and sorrows will share.
I Must Tell Jesus, I Must Tell Jesus.
I cannot bear my burdens alone.
I Must Tell Jesus, I Must Tell Jesus.
Jesus can help me, Jesus alone.
Thank you so much for coming to Steadfast Baptist Church.
If you need a bulletin, our ushers still have lots of bulletins.
We can get you a bulletin.
Just lift your hand real quick and they'll come by through all the aisles.
They can get you a bulletin on the front.
We have our Bible memory passage and we're working on the last one here.
Psalm 58 verse 11.
If you can quote the whole chapter to a non-family member,
we're going to have some prizes that we give out for that as well.
Obviously our children who are able to quote the verse of the week in the midweek service,
they can also get an ice cream following the service.
So we like to reward people for memorizing the Bible.
On the inside we have our service and soul winning times, church stats.
Please make sure you're turning that information in to our bin as far as the maps are concerned
and to your soul winning captains as far as your totals.
Also, if you're collecting email addresses when going out soul winning,
please make sure to send that in as well so that we can add people to our email list.
I often get that information after I am talking with someone.
Even if they're saved, sometimes you can still even just offer,
say, hey, we put our sermons online every single week and we send them all out.
Would you want to be put on our email list?
And we just ask and a lot of people want to hear the sermons.
And so that's pretty much the best way to send out the information for them to find it.
On the right we have the list of our expecting ladies as well as our prayer list.
Please be in prayer for all of our ladies.
On the back we have the note about a baby shower in honor of the Zermanos and their baby girl.
It's going to be on the 30th.
It's going to be from 1230 to 230.
And if you'd please RSVP to Mrs. Milstead, that would really help with the planning and preparation of the event.
Also, if you are bringing something, please let them know,
just so that way they can anticipate how much food they may or may not need for the baby shower.
It is nursing's only preferred, and so we try to, as guys here,
we try to make sure that we help out our ladies and make it more enjoyable for them.
So if you can watch the kids, that's definitely preferred.
The fall swap is going to be September 23rd.
So we do this every once in a while.
Ms. Zermano is also organizing this.
And so if you would like to participate, it's just going to be kind of an open window
where items are either donated and or picked up.
And it's essentially just items of value.
I emphasize the word value that you do not want.
So if there's something that you feel like is very valuable that or has some serious value still,
and yet you just have no use for it or would like to get rid of it or give it away,
then you can bring it and then people who are just looking for items of value,
they can show up and they can basically make a swap.
You do not have to bring anything to participate.
And you don't have to take anything to participate.
We can have donors only and recipients only.
Both are totally welcome.
And anything that's donated or dropped off that is not picked up
is just going to be taken to a local charity or Goodwill or something like that.
So that's just basically the strategy.
If you look at an item and you say, like, I don't know if it has value, it doesn't, okay?
So just as an FYI, it should be immediately obvious whether or not someone would want it.
And so that's just an FYI.
But, you know, the saying is always one man's trash is another man's treasure.
And so there you go.
Also, some other upcoming events is on the calendar.
At the end of the month, basically that Sunday night, it's technically October 1st,
but it's just kind of the end of the month.
We're going to have a cookout just immediately following the evening service.
We're just going to be cooking some hot dogs and some hamburgers.
And we've printed out a lot of flyers that we have on our cabinet out here, Soul Winning cabinet.
And so we're handing that out indiscriminately during this month as just a Soul Winning option.
So I've been putting those out there.
We also have tape if you want to just use that to kind of tape the flyers on the door posts or something like that
just so they don't like fall because they're a little bit flimsier than maybe a card or something like that.
So all of that material should be out there. If you have a question, please ask us.
But we're trying to invite people to that.
And it's an opportunity, you know, obviously it'd be great if we got some people saved there,
but it's also just to try and encourage people that maybe have gotten saved or recently gotten saved
to just come to church one time, you know, and it's a little bit easier when you know you're going to get fed afterwards.
So also the event is aimed to try and, you know, make visitors or newer people feel a little more welcome.
So I would highly encourage everybody in here to challenge yourself to talk to new people and not just talk to your friends.
And I'm not saying you can't talk to your friends. Please do.
But at the same time, please try to welcome people that are maybe newer or talk to people you don't always talk to.
Try to be a little bit more engaging and hospitable and welcome.
So that would be a great blessing so that way people can make some new friends.
Also, we have October 31st, the Texas Chili Cook-Off, emphasis on the word Texas.
So that means we know it'll be just chili. We won't add beans or fillers into it. It'll just be chili.
And if you're confused and you go to the store and you see a can that says chili with beans,
it helps you realize that beans aren't in chili because it said it had to be with it.
So chili doesn't have beans in it. But a lot of people get confused on this point because they're not from the Holy Land.
But we're here to help remind them of some some really good truths here.
OK. And so we have a Texas Chili Cook-Off on October 31st.
That'll be a lot of fun. We'll see if anybody can beat Miss Cassandra.
So I don't know. I you know, apparently she's just unstoppable right now, but we'll see if anybody can knock her off the throne.
All right. November 4th, Abilene, Texas.
So winning marathon. And that's pretty much all that we have as far as announcements.
We'll go ahead and seeing our Psalm of the Week, some one hundred and forty seven.
That's in our special handouts. You could use a King James Bible, but it's, of course, a lot easier if you can use one of these handouts.
Psalm one hundred and forty seven. All right.
Psalm one hundred and forty seven.
Yeah.
Great is.
And a great.
His understanding is.
The.
He cast it.
The ground.
Oh,
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Oh
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All right while the offering plates being passed around please turn in your Bibles to John chapter 17 John chapter number 17
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John chapter 17 the Bible reads
These words spake Jesus and lifted up his eyes to heaven and said father the hour has come
glorified thy son that thy son also may glorify thee as thou hast given him power over all flesh that he should give eternal life to
As many as thou hast given him and this is life eternal that they might know thee the only true
God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent I have glorified thee on the earth
I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do and now Oh father
glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was I have
Manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world
Thine they were and thou gavest them me and they have kept thy word
Now they have known that all things
Whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee for I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me and they have received them
And have known surely that I came out from thee and they have believed that thou didst send me
I pray for them
I pray not for the world but for them which thou hast given me for they are thine and
All mine are thine and thine are mine and I am glorified in them
And now I am no more in the world
But these are in the world and I come to thee holy father
Keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me that they may be one as we are
While I was with them in the world I kept them in thy name
Those that thou gavest me I have kept and none of them is lost
but the son of perdition that the scripture might be fulfilled and
Now come I to thee and these things I speak in the world that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves
I have given them thy word and the world hath hated them because they are not of the world
Even as I am not of the world
I pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world
But that thou shouldst keep them from the evil. They are not of the world even as I am not of the world
Sanctify them through thy truth thy word is truth as thou hast sent me into the world
Even so have I also sent them into the world and for their sakes I sanctify myself that they also might be
Sanctified through the truth neither pray I for these alone
But for them also which shall believe on me through their word that they all may be one as thou father art in me
And I in thee that they also may be one in us that the world may believe that thou hast sent me and the glory
Which thou gavest me I have given them that they may be one even as we are one
I in them and thou in me that they may be made perfect in one and that the world may know that thou hast sent
Me and has loved them as thou hast loved me father
I will that they also whom thou hast given me be with me where I am that they may behold my glory
Which thou hast given me for thou lovest me before the foundation of the world Oh righteous father
The world hath not known thee but I have known thee and these have known that thou hast sent me and I have declared unto
Them thy name and will declare it that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them and I in them
Let's bow our heads for a word of prayer father in heaven. We thank you for our church services today
I pray that you would keep us safe as we go out and preach the gospel this afternoon and also Lord
I pray that you fill Pastor Shelley with your spirit help him to preach his sermon with clarity of mind and help us to learn
We love you and in Jesus name I pray. Amen
The
Part of the chapter. I just want to go back and read again. One more time is just verse 24 where the Bible reads father
I will that they also whom thou hast given me be with me where I am
That they may behold my glory which thou hast given me for thou lovest me
Before the foundation of the world and the title of the sermon this morning is the father loves the son
The father loves the son and it's a little bit of a continuation of what I had preached last week about
The Trinity and just Trinity labels
But probably one of the most central themes of the Bible is the fact that the father loves the son
I mean, that's really the essence of the most popular verse in the Bible John 3 16 for God
so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son and
Obviously that love and in chapter 3 of John is talking about the love he has towards us
But in the text itself, it's also illustrating how he loves us so much that he'd be willing to sacrifice his son
Which ultimately shows how much love he really has because his son is very precious to him. He's very special to him
He loves his son so much that if he would be willing to sacrifice his son
It shows how much love he has towards us and this is what the Bible
Emphasizes is the father loving the son and him loving us as well that he loves both us and he loves his son
And John chapter 17 such an incredible
portion of Scripture because we get to see a little bit of what's going through the mind of the Son of God as
He talks about his own father and he talks about how his father feels towards him and he gives us a few different sneak
Peeks as to how their relationship works
You kind of notice a few things look at verse 5 again and now Oh father
glorify thou me with thine own self
With the glory which I had with thee before the world was so according to the Bible
Jesus Christ is saying that the Father has his own self and that Jesus is saying that he is with
The Father in a period of time that is before he ever came into the world
Notice that it's saying here in verse number 5 that I had with thee before the world was so in both verses number 5 and verse
24 it's denoting a time before Christ ever became a man before he put on flesh before he had this quote
Incarnation which that just simply means that he put on flesh and he came down here before that period of time
Jesus was already with the Father
Jesus was with the Father's own self because the Father had his own self and Jesus had his own self and
Jesus had glory and the Father had glory and the Bible is saying that God the Father
His self loved Jesus Christ the self of Jesus Christ before
The foundation of the world so we could understand this is before time even existed
Before we even had any creation whatsoever and quote eternity past the Father loved the Son
the self of the Father loved the self of the Son and so we see this
Incredible dynamic that the Father has loved the Son forever
It's always been the case that the Father has loved the Son and for him to be willing to then
sacrifice that
Person to sacrifice his own son for us shows the incredible amount of love
He has towards us and it's it's a great model
That's carried forth through the entire text of Scripture that is constantly showing
How incredible of a sacrifice would be to offer your own son it first starts with Abraham
Offering his son Isaac on the altar. We have the great picture of what an incredible
You know love or sacrifice this would be for a father to take his only son his only begotten and be willing to
Sacrifice him for a greater purpose for the divine purpose and we see other
Foreshadowings of this through the text we see Jephthah offering his daughter is another
similar scenario where we have a father offering his only child or offering the only child that he's in possession of and showing the
significance of
God's true sacrifice, but if God the Father
Does not have a son
Then the entire essence of the Bible has been destroyed
Has been taken away because the Father loves the Son and it would be almost no sacrifice
To sacrifice something that you don't even have if you don't really have a son
Then there really isn't a sacrifice and by offering this son and you know, God is a complex
Being he's much higher than we'll ever be and there's so much different emotion that God has
You know, God's not just one emotion. The Bible says God is love, you know, God has all the other emotions wrath. He can be
Jealous God can have a lot of different ranges of emotion. He can also have empathy. He can have compassion
He can have a lot of different emotions that we see in the scripture. I would argue all of them
He has all of them and he's given us the capacity to also have all of them
And so we get to experience things in our life that are difficult, but you know who can relate with that God
Because God the Father had to go through great loss, too
he had to sacrifice his son and he had to go through evil and he had to go through the the
difficulty and the sorrow but you know, I think that God sometimes
Allows us to go through difficult things or sorrow or pain or suffering
So that he can then comfort us and then we can realize how amazing God is
We can see because if you never go through anything difficult, you never get to experience God's comfort
You never get to experience the peace that passeth all understanding you never get to understand
how God can help bring newness into your life and new mercies and new joy and
Can restore you back to a former state and we get to see kind of a mini
Death burial resurrection and all kinds of events of our lives, you know
Sometimes we go through a low point or we go through something that's very difficult or loss
But then he brings restoration. Job has to go through the loss of ten children
But then he gets ten new children, right?
and so he kind of goes through that experience of that loss but then that recovery and Job's suffering and loss is also
Kind of an embodiment and a picture of the gospel of how
Horrible it had been for a father to lose his children is the same with the God the Father
losing his child and what would be crazy is to take every text of Scripture where we literally have human
Experiences of man losing his son man losing his daughter man losing his child man going through evil man
Going through suffering and saying that's an unfair comparison to God
It's like no, of course
God is using these examples of
Suffering and loss to relate to the fact that he also had to go through a similar experience and really ultimately our experiences
Are just similar to his because his is a real true experience that then we can relate to
Somewhat we'll probably never truly
Understand the amount of suffering or sacrifice he made ours are probably lighter in
Comparison or
Equality to God's sacrifice but some people would accuse this of like, oh that sounds like a social Trinitarian view
And I'm thinking like okay
Well, if you think that God the Father sacrificing his son is supposed to be something that we can relate to
I'm like, I'm all-in. I
Mean, that's the whole point of the Bible folks. That's the whole essence of Scripture is this father loving the son and
Weird views of the Trinity like modalism or
Oneness they seem to just completely destroy this beautiful picture of a father loving a son where you just basically have somebody loving themselves
And you know people that love themselves according the Bible are prideful arrogant
It makes me think of the devil every time I think of people just loving themselves and being selfish
Whereas pictures of the Trinity and of God and of the Bible is a selfless love
It's one where the father praises and glorifies the son and where the son praises and glorifies the father and where the Holy Ghost
Praises and glorifies the father and the son and where they're constantly complimenting one another loving one another
Caring for one another working together in perfect unison and we see the perfect model for love is a selfless love
Where you're actually glorifying others and pleasing others the Bible is telling us here that Jesus Christ is
receiving glory from his father
That kind of seems to undermine the idea if it was coming from himself
It's why is he getting the glory? It's getting it from the Sun and of course
Some people will say well, that's just your misunderstanding about
The distinction of persons, you know, the only thing that's distinct is just Jesus Christ had this incarnation
So, you know, there's just this one
Abstract nebulous thing that we call God and it manifested itself in Jesus. Look that's a oneness view
number one
But also what that does is it takes away from the loving relationships that exist within the Trinity
it makes it to where this person is just loving themselves and
Glorifying themselves and it destroys all the pictures of the Bible and to me it violates clear scripture clear verses that we have here
where Jesus Christ is
Helping us understand these points and think about it people say well
You don't really see a lot of this father-son dynamic in the Old Testament
Okay, you want to know why I believe that that's true
This is my personal opinion. But when you kind of study the Bible, they're each glorifying each other, right? So
from the Old Testament picture
Who is it going to be glorifying and talking about and foreshadowing? It's the father talking about his son
It's the father bringing up his son and and giving the prophecies of the son and emphasizing the son and how he's going to be
Coming when the son shows up who does the narrative switch to now?
And who is the son constantly talking about and who is the son constantly describing and who is the son giving honor to and is?
The son glorifying it's to his father. So it's like while Jesus is on the earth
It's all about the father father father father father, but then when Jesus goes away again, it's just like son son son son again
Right, and we see that throughout the scripture
That's why we kind of have these different lenses and perspectives is
Because the father's wanting to glorify the son the sons glorifying the father and the Holy Ghost is glorifying both the son and the father
Why is it that there's very little about the Holy Ghost is because he's not really talking about himself that much
So you have to look for the places where the father the son are kind of talking about him and there's not a lot in
Fact the majority of the texts that we have about the Holy Ghost, you know, who's talking about him
Jesus it's Jesus telling us about the Holy Ghost and telling us like what he's like and his attributes and things about him
That we have in Scripture. We have a bit of the father also describing him as well, but
We see this dynamic of the three persons working in the scripture and truly
Loving one another now. I want to go to a few places here
Go to Hebrews chapter number one, and we're going to be looking a lot of Bible again today
but
It's important to understand that the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost are
Persons and that these persons have their own selves
Now people object to this they get mad and they don't like it, but I don't really care what they like. So
They'll say oh you just the word person to you has all this baggage
quote this quote baggage where you think that a person is an actual individual and it has
Some form of a body and that it has its own
autonomy and that it has a state of consciousness and that it has a will and you just have all this baggage with the word
Person because that's what the word person means we have to understand is that you can't use any of those
definitions of person
And it's like that's a bad view of the Trinity if you say hey
I believe God is three persons one God, but the word person doesn't mean anything
That you think the word person means then pick a different word
Like why why keep using a word that just doesn't mean what it is
Like what if I said hey salvation's by works, but when I say works what I mean is that there's no effort
No energy, you don't have to do anything and it's actually just faith
It's like why don't you just use the word faith then?
It's like why do you keep using a word that's devoid of meaning and understanding?
Like wouldn't wouldn't God want us to use words that are easy to be understood. Isn't that even in the Bible?
So if you're gonna denote God himself
Why would you use such a loaded word that has a quote bad definition associated with it?
And if that's what it doesn't mean to then denote the God of the Bible
Like that seems bizarre to me if I were to try and define God, I would want to use words that have meanings
That are inherent and that they actually describe what I'm trying to say now when I use the word person
I mean it of course, you know, there's a distinction between us as a person and God as a person obviously
We're still limited. We're still mankind. We still have
Some differences between the persons of God and the persons of us
But generally speaking when we look at a base root level, it's very similar in the sense that we have our own
Individual autonomy we have our own individual state of consciousness
We have our own wills and people get mad and say oh
How dare you say that you think that there's three bodies now now
Here's what I want to explain to you real quick when we when I use the word body
Sometimes people get confused and you can read a lot of stuff online where people say God doesn't have a body
But sometimes when you say body what you're meaning is kind of just like shape right form
That's what I mean when I say body that there's some kind of a shape form
Sometimes when the bot the word body is used they're talking about flesh. They're talking about what I have right here this flesh
Of course, I do not believe that God the Father has flesh
Okay, but let me explain something. No one does. All right now
That doesn't change the fact that I still believe he has a form that he has a a person look what it says in Hebrews
Chapter 1 verse 3
talking about Jesus who being in the brightness of his glory in the express image of his person and
Upholding all things by the word of his power
When he had by himself purge our sins set down on the right hand of the majesty of high
so the Bible is saying that Jesus Christ is the image of his person talking about God's person or specifically the Father's person and
I believe that that person has an image. What is an image? It's something you can look at
It's something that you can see and that the Sun
Looks exactly like the form shape or body of the Father and
That's what the Bible is trying to denote here is that they have these two separate
Bodies and in a sense now go if you would to John chapter number five
Let me prove some things from Bible people say well, I don't think that that's biblical
Well, you know, I can't get in trouble for using words in the Bible
Like how are you gonna get mad at me for saying that the Father is a person when the Bible says it's a person
How are you gonna get mad at me for saying that Jesus is the image of
This person and then say I think that person has an image
Like that's just what the Bible says, okay, and I've heard this, you know more recently
But a lot of people just say God has no body and they just say this over and over like God doesn't have a body
God doesn't have a body
Now depends on what we're saying
When we when it depends on what someone means by that
Okay, if they mean when they say that God does not have a body that he doesn't have what we have that
He doesn't have flesh. I
100% agree. I agree with that totally and I think that's what most people say or mean
If you read things online you read things from antiquity. That's what they are communicating
Okay, but what I do not think that that means is that he doesn't have a shape
Okay, look what it says in John chapter 5 verse 37
Now
This is Jesus kind of contending with the Pharisees who says in the father himself
Which has sent me hath borne witness of me. You have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his
Shape notice what the Bible says it says that the Jews had never seen the shape of the father
Now for these people that kind of deny what I teach about the Trinity here to me my question
Are they gonna interpret this verse is saying like you've never seen God the father's shape because he doesn't have one man
Okay, that's a that's a weird interpretation
But if that were even true
You would have to equally apply that to the other thing that's the other
Characteristic or attribute that's brought up in this particular verse. What is the other attribute brought up in this verse?
You have neither heard his voice at any time nor senior shape. Are we gonna say that God the Father doesn't have a voice now?
How are they hearing a voice coming from heaven?
How do we constantly talk about God's voice if he doesn't have a voice no
No, God the Father has a voice and he has a shape
So what they were being rebuked about is you guys haven't seen his shape and you guys haven't heard his voice
But you know who had seen his shape and you had heard his voice
Jesus so Jesus is constantly rebuking them because he's like look I I have seen God the Father
I have heard him talk to me. I have a relationship with him
You know, no man has seen God at any time the only begotten Son which is in the bosom of the Father
He hath declared him. How can you be and God the Father's bosom when he doesn't have one?
There's no bosom there's no shape there's no it's just all metaphors
Well, you know what the people that like to say that everything's a metaphor then they start saying hell's a metaphor, too
And then they start saying that Adam and Eve's a metaphor too. And then they started saying believes a metaphor for what?
It's like then you start becoming a Calvinist who says that God gave you the grace to even believe
And you're just like what are you even talking about?
And then you start baptizing babies and then pretty soon you just joined the mother whore Catholic Church and let me tell you something
I don't want to join the Catholic Church and if you're gonna say well what you believe is different than Catholics I say, amen
Well, what you say is different than st. Augustine. Oh the guy that baptized babies
Oh the guy that thinks that
Salvations by works. Oh the guy that rejects the Texas Receptus and wants the Septuagint version
I mean, what do you what do I agree with this guy on?
Nothing, and why would I care? Why do I give a rip what some quote Church Father?
Mistakenly believe the Trinity was I don't really care what he believes now
again, if you look at
Just picture after picture if you just say hey
What is the Trinity look like to the minds of men for the last two thousand years? You know, you're gonna see pictures of
two shapes
You're gonna I mean it's just gonna be it's gonna be a father and a son just sitting up in heaven
Just father and son father and son father son many times you'll even see three
You'll see the father son and Holy Ghost all sitting next to each other. Sometimes you'll see the father son and the dove
Sometimes you'll see I mean you'll see kind of virtually everything there is a couple weird pictures out there
And I said this last week, but there's like one where it's like a Jesus with three faces
Okay, I have no idea if anybody believes that but it was weird. All right, I certainly don't believe that
But to say that God the Father has no shape. He has no form that his spirit is
Unable to be seen or visible just denies so much Bible
Okay, now again does the Father have a body like me no, but I do believe there's spiritual bodies and
I believe those spiritual bodies can be seen
Albeit not always by our eye right or maybe not always from our point of view or from our location
But are we gonna start now saying that spirits can't be seen?
I mean how much of the Bible do you want me to disprove that point with?
How about the fact when they saw Jesus walking on the water? They thought they had seen a spirit
I guess they had some bad doctrine. You can't see spirits, bro
No, they you know why they thought they'd seen a spirit because you could see spirits
You know when Balaam was riding on the donkey and the donkey wouldn't move forward
you know why because it saw the angel of the Lord and
Then all of a sudden he got to see the angel of the Lord and Elisha with his own
Servant is saying hey, there's more with us than with them. And you know what? He saw a host of angels a
Host of spirits a host of ministering spirits and then he asked the Lord to open the eyes of a servant
You know as I his eyes saw
Spirits
Okay, it's it gets weird when you start saying that the spirits can't be seen
How about in Luke chapter number 16 when the rich man lift up his eyes in hell?
What is that because you know where his body was in the earth?
what's in hell his spiritual body and
His spiritual body is hoping that the Lazarus up in heaven
which is in Abraham's bosom because bosom has a body and
Lazarus has what he's asking for him to dip the tip of his finger
You know, it's you know, our fingers are found on bodies
And the water and a dip that you know in the water and to drop it on his tongue
Come on folks, I know you know, you know when the Muslims go and they blow themselves up for a jihad
Well, guess what their bodies still their spiritual body still intact and it still goes to hell
It says where their worm dieth not what is that? It's their spiritual body folks. Okay
It's not like when we get up into heaven, we just joined one with the universe in his Buddhism
Now we just you know, I just become this ethereal abstract object. No. No, I saw the body
Okay, and why would I then think that the the father of spirits?
Doesn't have one
Plus let me ask you this question if the father doesn't have a body. There's no shape nothing. No spiritual body. Nothing, right?
What's the difference between the father and the Holy Ghost then?
Like
If neither of them have a shape if neither of them have a body they can't be seen
What is the distinction between the father and the Holy Ghost of these people?
It basically becomes nothing. It's like impossible that even distinguish between those two. Whereas if they both have their own
Spiritual body that could be seen their own shape
Then there would be a distinction wouldn't there if they had their own wills there would be distinction if they have their own seat of
Consciousness there would be a distinction, but you know what to these people they have zero distinction
They just say well he proceeds from him. What does that mean?
Now, let me show you that the Holy Ghost has a shape go if you would to Matthew chapter number three for a moment
Go to Matthew chapter three. Well, no one can see the spirit false
that is false get Matthew chapter number three and
We're talking about the baptism of Jesus Christ by John the Baptist. Look at Matthew chapter 3 verse 16
This
Is a great verse to prove that you when you get baptized you go all the way into the water and you come up out
Of the water not like these sprinklers. Oh, there's another thing. I disagree with the Catholics and the Protestants on
Sprinkling, how about verse 16 and Jesus when he was baptized went up straight way out of the water and lo
The heavens were open unto him and he saw
He saw
What do you think the word saw means I think it means you like you saw something okay
What did he see the Spirit of God?
Well, you can't see the Spirit of God
well, wait a minute doesn't the Bible said that Jesus saw the Spirit of God and
It says descending like a dove and lighting upon him now
Historically, this has been seen or viewed as it was a literal dove. Like he's just seeing a dove coming down
I don't think that's the right way to interpret this passage
I think he's just saying it was like it in the sense that it's how a dove would descend
Not necessarily saying it's literally a dove because the way it's worded. He doesn't say it was a dove doesn't say he saw a dove
It says that he saw the Spirit of God and it said descending
It didn't say he saw the Spirit of God like a dove descending
He said he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove
What if I said Ben was running like a gazelle does that mean that Ben is a gazelle now
And boy, have you seen him play basketball? It's like a gazelle folks, okay
No one would ever think that what I'm trying to communicate there is that he's literally a gazelle
You would say like wow
He he's running with elegance and grace and with speed and whatever that would be the comparison that I'm trying to make
So if I'm trying to say I saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove the the most on the surface
Interpretation would be that he's seeing the Spirit of God and that it's descent is as a dove would descend now
Different birds ascend in different ways, right if it was like an eagle or a vulture
How do they they come like Jim and you know?
They just like rip something out of the ground or out of this out of the sea, you know
It's a very violent descent
It's not graceful the idea of a dove is that it's very graceful
It's you know coming down with elegance and it's just it's just kind of slowly descending
Peaceably, you know, the dove is considered a peaceful animal. Whereas a vulture an eagle
This is a very violent descent that would be coming. So what is the imagery that we're trying to get here?
It's that the Holy Ghost descended upon the Lord Jesus Christ and peace and grace and elegance
That's what it's trying to communicate is it saying he's a literally a dove no
But you know if if my interpretation is true, which I believe 100% obviously it is
You can see his shape
It's literally saying that you can now let's go to another passage on this go over to Luke chapter 3 go to Luke chapter 3
Well, you know what pastor Shelley didn't say shape there. Okay, just wait
Go to Luke chapter 3 now. Why is this important? Well, I think it's super important to still understand and distinguish
Persons and the bodies of the Father Son and Holy Ghost
Because we're talking about the Father loving the Son and he's not loving some just abstract idea of the Son
He's literally loving the person the Son
It's a real person that he's loving
It's there's a real object of his love and the object of the Father's love is the person of the Son
Okay, and of course, we also understand there's the person of the Holy Ghost now look at Luke chapter 3 verse 22 similar
The parallel passage and the Holy Ghost descended and bodily. What is this word?
shape, huh
Like a dove upon him. So according to the Bible the Holy Ghost is descending in a what a shape
Now here's what I think is a little bit dangerous
Okay, and I'm not gonna I'm not trying to accuse anybody of this view not saying people believe this but I'm gonna say this
If you think this is a literal dove, I don't I think it becomes dangerous
Because if the Holy Ghost is just going to start inhabiting bodies of animals or animals bodies
Then why is it that he can't just do that again today?
Could he just show up as a panda bear
If I see a dog do I have to at first ask it are you the Holy Ghost today? Like how do I know?
That it's not the Holy Ghost when they can just manifest and show up as different animals randomly
Or what if that means he could also turn up as people and then how do I know that Tyler Doka isn't the Holy?
Ghost showing up
Obviously, we know because he's a false prophet heretic and he contradicts the Bible
But what I'm trying to get my point across is this that when you believe that God is this shape-shifting into whatever he wants view
Then it starts becoming dangerous because what else is he shape-shifting into potentially and where does this doctrine lead?
whereas if you just think the Holy Ghost is a person a divine person, that's a spirit and
He's just descending like a dove. Well, then I'm not confused thinking that he's showing up as birds randomly
like thinking like hey
And then what does God not want us to do make graven images of birds and beasts and creeping things
And all the stuff and acting like that somehow God because it's not and we've never seen God the Father
so there would be no point in us trying to make an image like him because we have no idea what he looks like and
All the pictures of Jesus that's not what he looks like
Sorry, it just isn't okay whether he's black Asian white or anything in between you still don't know
we still don't know what he looked like and
It's it's kind of vain prideful arrogant to try and think that you could even draw a picture of God
It's kind of blasphemous at its root core, even if there's good intentions
And so, you know, we shouldn't try to make these images but notice the Bible's thing as a shape
Go go into John chapter 1 for a moment. Go to John chapter 1
I want to show you another verse on this and I think this is important if we can see the shape of
the Holy Ghost and we talk about
Jesus rebuking the the Pharisees were saying and the Jews for them not being able to see the father shape or having never seen the
Shape of the father and we see Jesus Christ talking about himself
You know and in the person of I'm a self he has his own self and
I was with that self like it starts to become pretty obvious that we're talking about the fact that there's different
Bodies plus I mean if you just think about Genesis chapter 1 verse 28, it says let us make man in our image
You know, he didn't say let us make man in one of our images
in
Our image that sounds like they have a shared image
Okay, and it even says that man has become as one of us
Why in the world would it say he's become as one of us?
If the man was a perfect representation of all three
It sounds like just one of them is somehow the image that we're bearing because he's become as one
of
Us as of one not all three simultaneously. Look we're not many gods
Okay, there's this like mini gods doctrine where it's like we're like a perfect father son and holy ghost and it's like false
You know
some people try to hate the Trinity to a body and say that there's the body the spirit and the soul and that's
That's basically what God is. I think that's false. Okay, and they'll even draw pictures like this. Let me show you a picture
They'll
Basically say God is
basically this father word and Holy Ghost where you kind of have this intricate thing and
That basically, you know, you just have this little body and we have a soul. We have a spirit
We have a flash and so that's kind of the combination of these of these things and that the flesh is like the Son of God
And like the spirits the spirit and the souls like the Father look this is not a good idea of what the Trinity is
okay, and
again to prove again that the Holy Ghost is his own shape and person and
That he was seen look at John 1 verse 32 and John bear record saying I
Saw the spirit descending from heaven like a dove and it abode upon him. How can you say again that the spirit wasn't seen?
It says over and over the spirit scene scene scene scene now go if you went to Genesis chapter 1
Let's let's look at verse 28 again
And
Last week I brought up a guy named Matthew Henry, okay
Now here's the thing. I think that Matthew Henry is unsaved. I've never never said anything differently than that
Okay, I have his commentary because like I said a family member just was like hey, here's all of Matthew Henry's commentary
I was like, thanks
But you know the thing I do like about this is he's King James only in this commentary
Like it's just the King James text and then he just gives his analysis of each verse
Straightforward so you don't have to wonder which text he's exegeting
You don't have to wonder what he was like looking at. He's very clearly telling you like this is the verse
This is the phrase is the words I have and the why the reason I find value in it
It just gives me a little bit of an idea. What did heretics believe in the 1600s?
Okay, so it's like when people try to tell me what heretics believed in the 1600s
Sometimes they seem like they're a little bit gaslighting and so I can just read and say well
It seems like this is what they the false teachers of their day believe because Matthew Henry
Teaches work salvation. I mean you can read this over and over
I mean, he's he's advocating for all kinds of weird things that are
Antithetical to what we believe. Okay, but he has in chapter 1 verse 28
He has his commentary and it's pretty long and pretty lengthy. I'm not necessarily gonna read all of it
For you. I just wanted to read a small portion of it, but there's these people online that'll say Oh pastor
Shelly's lying saying that Matthew Henry believes in multiple bodies
because in Genesis 1 28
When it says let us make men in our image Matthew Henry said that God doesn't have a body
Okay, that's true. It does. It does say that but again, that's misleading
When you don't understand what he meant by the word body, okay
So let me just read a little bit of what he's saying about Genesis 1 28. Okay now
He's first trying to address the idea of let us make man
It says
Man was to be a creature different from all that had been hitherto made
Flesh and spirit heaven and earth must be put together in him and he must be allied to both worlds and therefore God himself
Not only undertakes to make him but is pleased so to express himself as if he called a council
To consider of the making of him. Let us make man
the three persons of the Trinity father son and Holy Ghost consult about it and
Concur in it because man when he was made was to be dedicated and devoted to father son and Holy Ghost
So he's saying when it says let us make man in our image. He thought it was three persons
He thought it was the father son and Holy Ghost all talking and consulting together and then deciding to make man in their image
How do you have how does this person have a camp counsel
Like how does this one?
thing
Council with itself that doesn't really seem to paint the same picture. Does it? Okay now again later in this passage
He does say this
Says Christ only is the express image of God's person
Amen as the son of his father having the same nature
it is only some of God's honor that is put upon man who is God's image only as the shadow and the glass or the
Kings impress upon the coin God's image upon man consists in these three things number one in his nature and
Constitution not those of his body for God has not a body
But those of his soul this honor indeed God has put upon the body of man that the word
Was made flesh the Son of God was clothed with a body like ours
So he says God doesn't have a body and then when he clarifies with that body
He's talking to about is it's talking about the flesh that Jesus Christ put on
Does that mean that God the Father doesn't have a shape? No, he didn't even address that
He didn't bring that up and so then they'll say oopsie Matthew Henry agrees with our picture
They say this is a weird picture. I don't think anybody believes this
Well, this picture that I have right here is an exact redrawing from Tyler Baker
Okay, so when Tyler Baker explains God and has explained him in the past. This is the picture that he drew
Now maybe he changed his mind. I don't know but if these people change their mind every day, so it's hard to keep up
but this drawing when he describes who the Son of God is he's just describing it's this outward flesh and
That the God is this inward
Spirit person and so he makes it where the Son of God is not a separate person but rather is just a bodysuit
It's just a flesh suit and that you can't see God that it's just this ethereal which means immaterial
essence that is
Manifested in this body, but it's not necessarily a three separate persons with three separate shapes. Okay
Now go if you would to 1st Corinthians chapter 11
I mean here there's other people that would subscribe to this and believe this and they try to point to Church fathers believing this I
Think that there's definitely going to be people of antiquity that believe this
Okay, and I don't care if they were all the greatest Church Catholic fathers
But I do not believe that everyone thought this as evidenced by the clear fact again all the pictures paintings and all the other stuff
Pretty much never have this thing. They always have three persons
Okay, three shapes three forms. And so even from just a pure historical argument
I do not agree that hey the new IV is the only one to ever think that the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost
Have three shapes like that is a bizarre claim
And then I saw this heretic online saying oh
Let me just show you how many people disagree with the new IV and he pulls up like a million articles
That all say that God the Father doesn't have a physical body
Acting like that somehow debunks anything that I've ever taught and I'm thinking like no one believes that except for Mormons
Like no one is arguing here that God the Father has a flesh body
He's a spirit but to say that isn't a spiritual body starts making some things weird
Let me ask this question before this was on before this flash was on who was sitting on the throne in heaven
Right, I mean if you can't see God he has no shape he has no form
The only way you can be seen is to have this body which was 2,000 years ago
Who is sitting on the throne on day one of creation?
Who is sitting on the throne for the entire Old Testament when Jesus Christ came down to the earth who was sitting on the throne?
Just
No one there's just nothing on the throne apparently, what was it explain that you Trinity denying freaks, okay
They can't explain these different things. What's the difference between the Father and the Spirit the Holy Spirit when neither of them have a body?
Neither of them have any kind of shape or form that could be seen. What's the difference between them? They can't explain that and
Here's another question. Why is it that us in this room as men and women?
We have to be dressed differently
Based on the image of God based on what God looks like if God doesn't have anything to look like
Look at 1st Corinthians chapter number 11
What does the Bible say in verse number 5 but every woman that pray that prophesied with her head?
Uncovered dishonor her head for that is even all one as if she were shaven for if the woman be not covered
Let her also be shorn
But if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven let her be covered for a man indeed ought not to
Cover his head for as much as he is the image and glory of God
But the woman is the glory of the man. So according the Bible men look like God
Women look like the glory of the man. They don't look like God. They look like something else
Therefore 1st Corinthians 11 says that men are supposed to have short hair and women are supposed to have long hair
You say I don't know if that's what it's saying
Well, if you just keep reading in this particular passage
It makes it very clear that we're talking about hair and it's talking about hair length
Look at verse 15, but if a woman have long hair
It is a glory to her for hair is given her for a covering and I'll tell you what before I ever read this verse
Or knew what this verse said. I always thought short hair on girls made them look uglier
There
Was a girl that I was I really liked
Growing up like from third grade fourth grade fifth grade sixth grade seventh grade and then she cut her hair and it was over
I'm just I was just like what'd you do? Like what's wrong with you?
Okay, and I'm just like no one had to come and be like that's first Corinthians chapter 11, isn't it?
No, it's just like no
that's why when you go out into the world and they have an
Advertisement that's trying to attract men. It's always a girl with long hair and she's in a dresser a skirt
There you know what? They're not putting up Ellen degenerate to try and attract men to buy their product. Okay?
They're putting a woman that has nice long flowing hair and that has a dresser a skirt on
Albeit the world corrupts it a little bit puts a miniskirt
Okay, but got the the the carnal guys weren't objecting to that or anything. All right
But at the end of the day that's what they dress them up as that's what they dress them in because it's just the most
Attractive to men. It's natural. It's normal. Okay, and
When we look at this particular passage, it's denoting that men have to look a certain way. How how does this make sense?
If God has no shape if God has no hair if God has nothing
Why did then we have to have short hair to look like him when he doesn't have hair?
When he doesn't have a head when he doesn't have a shape when he doesn't have a form
Explain that again, they can't explain these things. Okay, because really they're just freaks go to Hebrews go back to Hebrews chapter 1
and
I'm really hammering in this this first point still but
Look, I think you have to have this distinct shape this distinct body to start having these objects of love
Okay, the father really loves the son and the son really loves the father and it's not the idea of the son
It's not like he just loves this abstract idea of a son. He really loves the son that he really has
He really has and like when it says that he's in the bosom of the father
it's really a son being hugged and cherished and embraced by a father and
Let me tell you something as a father
One of the sweetest things that you can ever have in your life is when you come home and your child runs straight up to
You and you just get a hug from one of your children. I
Mean if you don't enjoy the sweet embrace of your child, then you're just like a reprobate or something
Like I love my children and I'll tell you what hug and you know, what's the coolest thing is the little kids?
They hug you tight when they become teenagers. They're kind of like
Ah
Come on
You know, it's like but man when they're little they're just like def grip, you know, and you're just like this is awesome
You just love it. Hey, you know what you teenagers hug your parents with some conviction. All right
Make them mean it make it hurt. All right
What I'm telling you is there was the sweet embrace of the father and the son and to imagine
The son being ripped out of the bosom of the father and being put on a cross three ridiculed and shamed and beaten and bloodied
And bruised, you know what for people to reject that gospel makes God so mad. He'll burn them in hell for all of eternity
And just to make it clear people burning in hell is not God loving them
Okay, I don't know if that's shocking to you or something
But apparently when you go outside these walls and you talk to people
They will tell you that people burning in hell is God's expression of love
Wow, it's at the University of Texas go go talk to those people and they'll tell you how God loves people that are burning in hell
It's just like what is wrong with your brain? Like I can't even get it
Okay, and sometimes you you hope good for humanity and then you talk to college students and you lose it all again. Okay
But at the end of the day, you know
We have to realize that in order to have love you kind of have to have an object of love
Right and the Bible makes this abundantly clear over and over and a lot of different capacities a lot of different ways
We kind of see this distinction of persons. How about even just our own relationship to these two persons?
Okay. Now look at Hebrews chapter 2 verse 11. The Bible says
For both he that sanctified and they who are sanctified are all of one for which cause he is not ashamed to call them
Brethren, you know our relationship with Jesus is what that we're brothers, but what's our relationship with the Father?
We're his sons
How if you have one?
shape on the throne do you have this relationship a brother and father a
Brother and son you don't have that it's kind of destroyed, isn't it?
Whereas if you're standing there and you have the father seated next to the son, you're the brother and you're the son
You have both of those dynamics you have both of those relationships that you you see and notice that Jesus is saying I'm relating to
You on a brother level not on I'm your father and you're my son level
So that sounds like there must be some just real clear distinction that Jesus is our brother
That we're brethren with him and he's not even ashamed to be our brother
that's incredible that he would not be ashamed to be our brother because you know some of us have brothers and sisters that we're kind of
Ashamed of and think about how much worse we are in comparison to Jesus
Look at chap or verse 16
Chapter 2 verse 16 for verily he took not on him the nature of angels
But he took on him the seed of Abraham wherefore and all things that behooved him to meet Lake unto his brethren
That he might be a merciful and faithful high priest and things pertaining to God to make reconciliation for the sins of the people
So not only did he take on that flesh
But notice it behooved him what does behooved mean
Sounds like a weird word, right? It's saying like it was proper. It was suitable. It was appropriate
So he's saying the most appropriate the most proper the most
expedient thing for him to be made like was what unto his
Brethren, does it say to be made like unto his sons?
No to be made like unto his brethren so if he's the son of God in heaven and
He's coming down. He can be made like unto his brethren if he's the father coming down. He'd be made like unto his sons
Notice the distinction of the persons here and he suffered he suffered for us
Look at chapter 5 verse number 4 chapter 5. Look at verse number 4
and
No, man take it this honor unto himself
But he that is called of God as was errant so it's talking about the priest
The high priest is an honor that you are not allowed to take unto yourself verse 5
So also Christ glorified not himself to be made in high priest
but he that said unto him thou art my son today have I begotten thee as
He sayeth also in another place thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek notice again
Jesus Christ did not anoint himself. He didn't choose himself. He didn't make himself the priests God
The Father made the son the priests God the Father picked him God the Father glorified him God the Father gave him that position
So we see a distinction in the cells if you don't have a distinction in the cells
How would you not then say that he did make yourself? I?
Mean if you just have this one
Abstract idea this one invisible essence that just comes down into a body
How are you going to then say that it didn't make itself and glorify itself and give unto itself these positions?
Whereas when you have the shape the the father of spirits
Anointing the son and having him become flesh now
We see that the father's anointing the son because the father loves the son and he wants the son to have an important role and
To be the priest
What is the priest the intercessor to God the one who makes sacrifices and offerings to God
That's what the priest is and Jesus Christ is our high priest according to the scripture after the order of Melchizedek
This is what it continues to say in chapter 7 verse 1 for this Melchizedek
King of Salem priest of the Most High God who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the Kings and blessed him
To him also Abraham gave a tenth part of all first being by interpretation king of righteousness
And after that also king of Salem which is king of peace without father without mother without the sin having neither the beginning of
Days nor end of life, but made like unto the Son of God abide of the priest continually. It's according to the Bible Jesus Christ
Because what you have to understand is comparing Melchizedek to someone else
Who is he comparison?
comparison Melchizedek to the Son of God
He's made like unto the Son of God
So what are the attributes that the Son of God have well the Son of God according to this very clearly has no father
Mother descent or beginning of days or end of life now don't let that father word confuse you because what's the context here?
human earthly father so Jesus has no human earthly father and
When we're talking about Melchizedek again, he has no human earthly mother
Okay
He has no descent having neither beginning of days nor end of life
But made like unto the Son of God we have to understand about this is Son of God existed before Mary did so it's not
Like Mary, this is what people say Mary gave birth to God. She's the mother of God
This is what the Catholic Church literally teaches
No, she was a vessel to allow Jesus to come to this earth
But you know what Mary didn't didn't give birth to God in the sense that an origin. Okay?
Yes, she gave physical childbirth to the Son of God and he's God in the flesh
And so there could be a way to articulate that that sounds right, but I just don't even like saying it because she's not the mother
Of God, okay
She was the chosen vessel to bring Jesus into this world humanly speaking for the incarnation
But at the end of the day Jesus Christ and Melchizedek have neither father mother
They have nor descent nor notice this beginning of days or end of life. Sounds like this person's eternal
You know is eternal the Son of God
Forever the Son of God has always existed and it's not saying God
It's saying the Son of God meaning Jesus Christ the person has always existed with his father
Which is clearly what John 1 and every other place in Scripture clearly teaches look at verse 21
So we're looking a lot of different things here
That's very important verse 21 for those priests were made without an oath
But this with an oath by him that said unto him the Lord swear and will not repent thou art a priest forever
After the order of Melchizedek, this is important. How long is Jesus going to be the priest?
For ever so wait a minute if he's the one sitting on the throne
Then what's the priest thing?
No, according the Bible the father's on the throne and Jesus can sit there
but he's also the priest at the same time and he's doing things in service and
Sacrifice unto the father we see Jesus Christ leaving the throne at different points in time
When Stephen is being stoned Jesus Christ stands up off of the throne
But I believe the father still seated on the throne
Very clearly and we have Jesus Christ offering sacrifices and going out and doing a lot of the work for the father
We have the sacrifices and this is not going to change look at verse 24
But this man because he continueth ever have an unchangeable priesthood
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him
Seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them
How long is Jesus going to be an intercessor?
Now imagine if I said hey guys, I just want to let you know that sometimes I don't have time for you guys
So I've decided to have another
person
That'll intercede on your behalf. So if you have a problem with me as your pastor
there's another person that can intercede on your behalf and
He's golfer John
Okay, and you come up you're like, hey I have a problem he's like wait a second
Let me talk to him, you know, hey pastor like that's weird
Well, you're gonna talk to a husband of Carrie, you know husband of Carrie will intercede for you on behalf of Pastor Shelley
Let me let us confer real quick, you know, it's like no no, no, there's really it'd be like hey
if you have a problem ask Dylan why cuz he's a different person and
Then he can talk to me now most of the time this is not real
Okay, if you have a problem just talk to me Dylan doesn't know anything
All right, but at least in the example, it would be where you actually have another person
That's the real intercessor if Jesus and the Father don't really have persons if they're not really these separate
Individuals then how do you really have an intercessor? You've destroyed when intercessor even means
You have no real intercessor. You have no real priest. You have no real love between this father and the son
Why is it that Jesus is the intercessor?
Have you thought about that like why isn't Dylan the intercessor I
Have a lot of reasons why but I'm just saying
You know why he's the intercessor because the father loves the son
Why you know why he want you want Jesus on your team is because when Jesus asked the father something he's like
Well since you asked then I'll do it
But it's like if I ask or he asked what it's like well, I don't care what you think, you know
But I do care what he thinks, you know, why because he loves the son. The father loves the son
It's a real love. He's a real person
He really cares about him and since Jesus really went through all that suffering and Jesus really bled and Jesus really died and Jesus
Really went to hell and Jesus really had to go through that entire experience
When Jesus Christ looks at his father and makes intercession on her behalf God the Father cares
Because he loves the son
Because the son is a real person because the son has his real self because the son has his own experiences
Because the son is actually a true intercessor with between us and the father
Okay, that's completely destroyed and this bizarre oneness view
Look at chapter 8 verse 1 now the things which we have spoken
This is the sum we have such an high priest who is set on the right hand of the throne of majesty in the heavens
A minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord pitched and not man again
It just gets so clear look at chapter 9 verse 14
How much more shall the blood of Christ who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God
Purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God and for this cause he is the mediator of the New Testament
That by means of death for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the First Testament
They which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance again, he's not just the intercessor
He's the mediator look at verse 24
This is an important verse for Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands
Which are the figures of the true but in the heaven itself now
to appear in the presence of God for us
How in the world is Jesus Christ in the presence of God the Father?
When he does not have a shape a body or a presence to even begin with
We have to understand business show is the god the father's everywhere, okay?
well if he's everywhere then why is this special that he's in the presence then and
Look I get it there is an omnipresence to God and there's an omnipresence to the father
But then there's also a place where he's at
You say how do you understand that well?
He's God so I can't understand that fully
But you know what I do understand is that there's really a place where God the Father is and there's really a presence of God
That is denoted here in Scripture and that Jesus Christ really had to go in God's presence for us
So we could be reconciled because if we went God's presence we would just die
We can't handle it
Just like the high priest had to do through all of these special rituals and ceremonies to be able to enter into the high place
One time every year and even had to have bells on his person that were ringing
Just alerting of the fact that he was going to go into the high place
I've heard it. This is a rumor. It's like they had the bells just so if they he died and
They stopped hearing the ringing they could just pull him back
Because they're not going in you know. It's just kind of like you got that fish on the hook
And then you're like oh, you know they got cut loose. Yeah, and then you just pull the rope back
I don't know if that's true or not, but it could be
But that's how serious it is
I mean they took all that was so much serious and care to denote how important it was that Jesus went in there and
Jesus was in the presence and that Jesus can handle it and that Jesus could offer this offering and that Jesus brought his blood in
There and it was only the blood of Jesus that could atone for our sins, and that's where we get that great blood of atonement
now
Again, just just it doesn't matter how many Church Fathers agree or disagree with me, but just here's this Gregory of Nysa
He said and
This is just kind of someone quoting about him. I don't think this is a direct quote, but it says that
Nysa notoriously compares the Trinity to three human beings oh
man big
You know it says largely on this basis. He and the other Cappadocians have been interpreted as proto social Trinitarians
says holding the three persons to be three subjects of consciousness and action and of the same kind
Omo Lewis's in the way that any two examples of natural kind are such as two humans
However, it has been objected that the three human analogy was suggested by his opponents
It is neither nice as only nor his main analogy for the Trinity
They're saying he loosely used three persons to denote his view of the Trinity
This is from 300 AD and he said they all have their own separate
consciousness and action
So oh there's no one that's ever believed this of course there has been okay
There's all these little heritage this wasn't even considered that big of a heretic or something like that go to John chapter 6 go to
John chapter 6
Look Jesus Christ, I believe has always been the Son of Man as well
He's the Son of God, but I believe he's also been the Son of Man, and he is that person
Now some people might object to that and and you know I'm not gonna say that
I'm a hundred percent, but I believe it fully and I could be wrong
But I believe that Jesus has always been the Son of Man
I think the text proves this but you know you could see people like Matthew Henry saying that you know
There was no even shadow of the body even at that point in time
It's only through the Incarnation and I can see that view too, but but here's the thing
There's so many times where Jesus shows up in the Old Testament. He has a body
That I don't think he was a loner. I
Don't think he was it was a lease. I don't think he was just test driving it
I think it was really his body
Okay, and I think that that body that he had in the Old Testament was indestructible as evidenced by the fact that he goes in
The fiery furnace with Daniel, or I'm sorry Shadrach Meshach and Abednego in the book of Daniel
He goes in there, and he's not burned
Okay, but what so then what's unique about the Incarnation is that he put on mortal flesh?
His body changed and became capable of dying of all the suffering and everything whereas prior to that
His body couldn't do that
Yeah, he could touch people and he could you know
Obviously wrestled Jacob and he's able to be in the fiery furnace and everything like that
But then it makes a lot of sense that you know Adam
He changed to that Adam was kind of made like Jesus and then after sinning he became different
He's capable now dying and it's a different type of thing. And then eventually what's going to happen is we're gonna get a new glorified body
It'll be like Jesus. It's indestructible. It's it's immortal. It's always gonna we're always gonna have it and
As
More evidence of this, you know the Bible calls Jesus the Son of Man over and over but it's usually in reference to his deity
Now look at John chapter 6 verse 62
What and if he shall see the Son of Man ascend up where he was before so
here's a clear text saying that Jesus Christ was the Son of Man or he's calling himself the Son of Man and
Saying that the Son of Man was in heaven before he ever came down
That to me is an evidence of the fact that he was the Son of Man before the incarnation
Okay, just to give you a few more samples go if you would to John 3 go back to John 3
Let me just read for you Matthew 9
But they shall know that the Son of Man hath power on earth to forgive sins
Then sayeth he to the sick of the palsy arise take up thy bed and go into thine house
The Bible says for the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath
So some people want to identify a son of man is just being like that just means he's human
But why is it then saying that he has power to forgive sins?
He's the Lord of the Sabbath that he's in heaven
None of those things have anything to being human and they have everything to do with being God
Only God can forgive sin only God is the Lord of the Sabbath only God is in heaven
So every time he calls himself the Son of Man in these instances, it's actually him talking about how he's God
Okay, John chapter 3 verse 13 and no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven even the Son of Man
Meaning specifically the Son of Man who came down from heaven the Son of Man came down from heaven
But also this which is in heaven and that's a hard verse to interpret
Okay, I lean towards the idea that somehow Jesus is in heaven and on earth
simultaneously because he's God he's outside of time but
It's hard to denote. It's hard to denote exactly what that means
But for sure, you know what it does mean that the Son of Man was in heaven before he came down
No way to not interpret that way go go to Revelation chapter 1 go to Revelation chapter 1. How about this Daniel chapter 7?
Says I saw in the night visions and behold one like the Son of Man
Come came with the clouds of heaven and came to the ancient of days and they brought him near before him
So in the Old Testament, there's a vision of the Son of Man
Coming to the ancient of days
But wait a minute. There's only there's not two shapes. Okay, so
Okay
Didn't see it. Just joking. No. No, there really is the ancient days
the father on the throne and the Son of Man's really coming unto him and
Some people could say well that's a of the future, but we've already proven a couple places that the Son of Man existed before that
But even if I don't care because this is for sure fulfilled in Jesus Christ coming like we saw in Hebrews
Going to the presence of God offering the blood
offering himself and
Basically bringing the reconciliation. Okay. This is what we have
There's also in Daniel 7 talks about the Son of Man or the ancient days returning again, and that's talking about Jesus Christ return
now revelation chapter 1 is
Also talking about Jesus Christ
It's the revelation of Jesus Christ
But look at verse 13 in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like the Son of Man
Clothed with a garment down to the foot and gird about the paps of the golden girl, so when we look at Jesus
Beyond the incarnation. What is he called?
One like unto the Son of Man. He's the Son of Man. So he's the Son of Man before
He's the Son of Man during and is the Son of Man after
Okay, and then look at how he describes himself in verse 18. I am he that
Liveth and
Was dead and behold I am alive forevermore. Amen and have the keys of hell to death who's talking
The Son of Man, so the Son of Man was living before and then he came and died and then he rose again
So it sounds like the Son of Man is eternal as well. So again, that's my personal belief
Plus if you look at chapter 3 look at verse 21
Talking about Jesus speaking again to him that overcometh
Well, I grant to sit with me in my throne
Even as I also overcame and I'm set down with my father in his throne. How are you sitting with someone that doesn't?
exist
And what capacity is the father sitting on the throne he has no shape form anything
It's metaphor, okay. Well again, yeah sure
Everything's a metaphor. Look if you just want to make everything a metaphor then you know, what just
Metaphorically never come to my church either. Okay, and
Metaphorically never talk to me. All right, I
Kind of finished the point that I wanted to make as far as the the distinction of persons
But there's still more to this as far as the wills and centers of consciousness
So I'm gonna I'm gonna preach a little bit more on this so buckle up
Right, but I think it's important and we get a deeper understanding and appreciation of how the Father can really love the Son
And I think when you make
arbitrary and weird distinctions
Between the Father and the Son the Holy Ghost where they're no longer persons. There's no longer different shapes
There's no longer different wills and cons all these different things
Then you really just lose all the models he gave for us
the models of us loving our our sons and us having the obedience unto our
Father and the obedience that we have and the authority relationships that we see modeled for us in the Bible
Just become basically meaningless and you know, we shouldn't we shouldn't want to take away from
Just the pure essence of Scripture, which is that the Father loves the Son and that's why he loves us
he loves us through the sacrifice of his son and
We are reconciled because he loves his son
You
Would be in hell if the Father didn't love his son
Because you know what the blood of bulls and of goats can't take away sins
God does not love bulls enough to take you out of hell
God doesn't love you enough to take you out of hell like you can't sacrifice yourself
Think about that. You can't even decide I'll die on the cross for myself. So I don't go to hell. He would still reject it Kane
Your sacrifice and offering is not
optional
There's not like multiple ways to heaven
There's one way to heaven and it's through the blood of Jesus Christ and it's only because of his sacrifice
That we get to heaven because the Father loves the Son so much
He's willing to accept his sacrifice
He's willing to accept his love his intercession his mediation his person what he did for us
Let us not take away from the person of the Son
Because the love that the Father has toward the Son is the whole reason why we're even saved in the first place
Let's close in prayer
Thank You Heavenly Father so much for giving us your son and the death
that he had to shed on and his blood that was shed on the cross and his suffering in hell and his resurrection and
just as willing and boldness to come into the throne and to offer himself and the blood and he went through all the shame and
All the evil and he was willing to strip himself of all of his honor and his glory and his dignity to be mocked and
ridiculed and spat upon and despised and hated and rejected
And all these horrible things you were allowing your son to go through
So that he could then and in turn
Make intercession for us and and offer
Mercy and grace so that we could be saved. I pray that we would never
Diminish the love that you have for your son that we would never take away from the love that
You Heavenly Father have towards your son
I pray that we'd have a great appreciation for both the Father and the Son and
That we would be very grateful in this life and the next of your gift of eternal life in Jesus name we pray. Amen
All right for a final song we're gonna go to
136
Master the tempest is raging
136 master the tempest is raging
The sky is o'er shadowed with blackness
No shelter nor health is light
Heiress thou not that we perish
How canst thou lie asleep
When each moment so madly is plenty
A break in the angry deep
The winds and the waves shall obey my will
Peace be still
Whether the wrath of the storm toss sea
Or demons or men or whatever it be
No water can startle the ship
Where lies the master of ocean and earth has skies
They all shall sweetly obey my will
Peace be still
They all shall sweetly obey my will
Peace be still
Master with acres of spirit
I bow in my grief today
The depths of my sad heart are troubled
Awaken and save my brain
Torrance of sin and of anguish
Sleep for my sinking song
And I perish, I perish, dear master
O hasten and take control
The winds and the waves shall obey my will
Peace be still
Whether the wrath of the storm toss sea
Or demons or men or whatever it be
No water can swallow the ship
Where lies the master of ocean and earth has skies
They all shall sweetly obey my will
Peace be still
They all shall sweetly obey my will
Peace be still
Master, the terror is over
The elements sweetly rest
Earth's sun in the calm lake is near earth
And heaven's within my breast
Linger, O blessed redeemer
Leave me alone no more
The doors shall make the blessed harbor
And rest on the blissful shore
The winds and the waves shall obey my will
Peace be still
Whether the wrath of the storm toss sea
Or demons or men or whatever it be
No water can swallow the ship
Where lies the master of ocean and earth has skies
They all shall sweetly obey my will
Peace be still
They all shall sweetly obey my will
Peace be still
All right, we have Brother Teddy coming for baptism today.
Brother Teddy, have you accepted Christ as your Savior?
Yes.
Then I baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost,
buried in the likeness of His death,
raised to walk in newness of life.
Make sure to congratulate Brother Teddy.
God bless you. You are dismissed.
Thank you.