chapter 14 the Bible reads, "And it came to pass, as he went into the house of one
of the chief Pharisees to eat bread on the Sabbath day, that they watched him,
and behold, there was a certain man before him which had the dropsy. And Jesus
answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, 'Is it lawful to heal
on the Sabbath day?' And they held their peace, and he took him and healed him, and
let him go, and answered them, saying, 'Which of you shall have an ass or an
ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the Sabbath
day?' And they could not answer him again to these things. And he put forth the
parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out of the
chief room, saying unto them, 'And thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit
not down in the highest room, lest a more honorable man than thou be bidden of him.
And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, 'Give this man place,' and
thou begin with shame to take the lowest room. But when thou art bidden, go and sit
down in the lowest room, that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto
thee, 'Friend, go up higher.' Then shalt thou have worship in the presence of
them that sit at meet with thee. For whosoever exalted himself shall be
abased, and he that humbled himself shall be exalted.' Then he said also to him that
bade him, 'When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy
brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbors, lest they also bid thee
again and recompense thee made thee. When thou makest a feast, call the poor, the
maimed, the lame, and blind, and thou shalt be blessed, for they cannot recompense
thee. For thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just. And when
one of them that sat on me with him heard these things, he said unto him,
"Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God." Then he said unto
him, "A certain man made a great supper and bade many, and sent his servant at
suppertime to say to them that were bid and come, for all things are now ready."
And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, "I
have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it. I pray thee have me
excused." And another said, "I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them.
I pray thee have me excused." And another said, "I have married a wife, and therefore
I cannot come." So that servant came and showed his lord these things. Then the
master of the house, being angry, said to his servant, "Go out quickly into the
streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and
the halt, and the blind." And the servant said, "Lord, it is done, as thou hast
commanded, and yet there is room." And the lord said unto the servant, "Go out into
the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
For I say unto you, that none of those men which were bitten shall taste of my
supper." And there went great multitudes with him, and he turned, and said unto
them, "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and his mother, and wife, and
children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my
disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my
disciple. For which of you intending to build a tower, siteth not down first, and
counteth the cost, whether he hath sufficient to finish it. Lest happily
after he had laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold
it begin to mock him. Saying this man began to build, and was not able to
finish. But what king going to make war against another king, siteth not down
first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him, that
cometh against him with twenty thousand. Or else, while the other is yet a great
way off, he sendeth an embassage, and desireth conditions of peace. So likewise,
whosoever he be of you, that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be by a
disciple. Salt is good, but if the salt is lost, his savour wherein shall be
salted. It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dung hill, but men cast
it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. Let's pray. Dear Lord God, just
thank you for every soul at this church, Lord, and we just thank you for pastor.
We pray that you bless him right now, and fill him with your Holy Spirit as he
preaches us to us, Lord, and and I just pray that we're able to receive your
word with gladness tonight, Lord, and we prepare this on Jesus name. Amen. Amen.
The title of my sermon this evening is new IFB versus old IFB charting the
differences. New IFB versus old IFB charting the differences. This morning I
preach a sermon called What Kind of Church Is This? and I was explaining why
we're an independent fundamental Baptist Church and some of the
distinctions of our church as a fundamental Baptist Church and why it's
important for us to be honest and open about how and what we believe in some of
our practices. This evening I want to be more specific and kind of tell you the
differences between a new IFB church which is exactly what we are and the
old IFB church essentially referring to our spiritual ancestors is the best way
to put it. We are essentially the offspring so to speak of the old IFB and
I want to talk about the differences between two now I actually gave her the
Cody the wrong chapter I gave him chapter 14 we're supposed to read from
chapter 5 but luckily you know as I was reading this I was like I found something
that I could use to apply to the sermon look at verse 34 of chapter 14 it says
salt is good but if the salt has lost its savor wherewith shall it be seasoned
and you know what when you think about the old IFB old IFB is the right type of
salt it goes on the meat of the word which is the King James the only problem
is they lost their savor they're no longer seasoning this world with what it
used to be they've lost the flavor they lost the seasoning in their preaching
even in their doctrine and some even in their practices and so we want to be
salt the salt of the earth and retain our saltiness and really when you think
about it the new IFB that's exactly what it is it's such salty movement that is
out there you know exposing the wickedness of this world we are salt
in an open wound of sin and false doctrine but we also bring flavor to life
by the preaching of God's Word and help people realize that hard preaching still
works and that the doctrines of the Bible are not boring they're very much
exciting they're relevant and we keep people alive using salt because we are a
soul-winning church and so that's the application now go to chapter five if
you would chapter five you can never really read from the wrong chapter when
you're preaching from the Bible because all the Bible is good amen but look at
chapter 5 if you would and verse 26 I'm sorry verse 36 of chapter 5 it says
here and he spake also a parable unto them no man put it a piece of a new
garment upon an old if otherwise then both the new mark maketh their rent and
the piece that was taken out of the new agreeeth not with the old and no man
putteth new wine into old bottles else the new wine will burst the bottles and
be spilled and the bottle shall perish but new wine must be put into new bottles
and both are preserved no man also having drunk old wine straight with
desire at the new for he saith the old is better now before I get into the
interpretation of what this means and the application thereof I'm gonna
explain to you what the sermon is about tonight as I mentioned I want to give
the distinction between old IFP and new IFP and what what's that in relation to
us what are the major differences between the two and you know the
differences are doctrinal and practical so it's not only a difference in
doctrine but it's also a difference in how we do church how we practice our
ministry they're very much different in a lot of different ways and the new IFP
as I mentioned are the spiritual we are the spiritual offspring of the old IFP
let me say this like with every movement there are times when the previous
generation begins to decay and wax old and veer off the path and therefore a
new generation has to arise take up the baton take the torch and carry on the
movement that upheld the fundamentals of the faith upheld the practices of a
biblical New Testament local church and improve it right not make up new
doctrines not make up new methods actually going back to the old ways of
doing things and just simply make them better you know we are here to
strengthen the things which remain which are ready to die right and
unfortunately when you look at old IP churches in general not all of them but
in general a lot of them are dying churches one of them because of the fact
that they're not reaching the new generation and because they're not
reaching them the church is filled with a lot of gray heads there's nothing wrong
with it having gray heads in the church we will we want a variety of different
heads in the church want young people in the church because it's proof that
we're reaching new people and new generation that's important but you know
unfortunately a lot of the old IP they're not doing that anymore and it
could be for a variety of reasons one being that maybe they're not
evangelizing anymore they're not so winning anymore or could be that because
they're not offering preaching that's of substance they're actually losing their
generation to the liberal churches you know the the younger generation are
attracted by the glitz and the glamour the purple lights and the smoke and all
that smoke and mirrors and so they end up leaving old IFB churches to join
these non-denom liberal mega fun centers because they think it's better okay and
so they're losing a lot of that now we don't have that problem in fact we got a
lot of young our church is fairly young and we do have some old heads in our
church not an offensive way that's a good thing but you know we do have a
younger generation we have young families and I believe that's a testament to the
fact that we are evangelism a lot of new people now in the process of a new
generation taking over strengthening the things which remain you're always gonna
have someone or churches individuals who think that the old is better right and
in Luke chapter 5 we have an example of that we have an example and it's
referring to Judaism or the religion of the Old Testament that ended up
of metamorphosizing into Judaism.
And obviously the book of Luke is part of the gospels.
It's highlighting that transitional period
between old covenant and new covenant.
So when the men of God, Jesus Christ,
his disciples are preaching about the new covenant,
there was a lot of Jews during that day
that thought that the old was better.
They did not agree with the new.
They didn't agree with the new covenant.
They didn't agree with the new preaching.
They didn't agree with these fishermen who were unlearned
and, you know, weren't necessarily learned in letters.
They weren't Pharisees or Sadducees.
They didn't receive the right education.
They didn't agree with them, but you know what?
They were the men of God.
They were used greatly of the Lord.
They were selected by God to carry out the task
of essentially bringing about the inception
of the local New Testament church in the New Testament.
And so, you know, and just like you have Jews
in the Old Testament who did not agree with the new covenant,
they thought that the old was better.
Guess what?
There are many churches today that still think
that the old IFB is better.
And so, I'm gonna explain to you
what are some of the differences.
And here's the thing is that I love old IFB churches.
I know of old IFB churches.
I like them.
I think they're great.
And, you know, I was reached through an old IFB church.
Now that was previous to it being labeled as old IFB.
And, you know, I learned a lot.
I learned all the essentials of the faith.
I learned a lot of ministry practices.
I gained Christian virtue and practices.
I'm very much grateful for my old IFB church, for sure.
But obviously I think that the new is better.
As testified by the fact that this is a new IFB church
and this is not a slam on the old IFB,
they just need to catch up and start seeing it this way
because our way is not a liberal way.
You see, the old IFB would often complain about the fact
that people are veering off, getting liberal,
you know, going towards the CCM route
and going towards the purple lights
and the non-denom look and all this and that and the other,
but that's not what we're doing.
We're actually getting,
we're actually more strict than the old IFB.
We are on the opposite side of liberalism.
We would be considered radical extremists,
you know, the fundamentalists of years past.
And so we want them to catch up to that.
And you know what, the reality is this,
in my assessment based upon fundamental Baptist churches
across America, a lot of them are kind of inching
their way towards us.
And I don't think all of them will ever reach
to where we're at in the sense of they're not,
they're not all gonna see it our way,
but I'm perfectly fine with that.
As long as they move just a couple of inches closer,
doctrinally, that's great.
As long as we move them a couple of inches closer
so they're sowning more, that's great.
As long as we move them a couple of inches closer
to holiness, that's great.
But you know what, the reality is this,
in order for the fundamental Baptist movement
to continue to survive and thrive,
we have to send out pastors.
We have to train them, we have to start churches,
and not rely on old IFB churches converting to new IFB.
We just need to birth some new, new IFB churches, okay?
So this evening I wanna talk about the doctrinal differences
and practical differences of the old IFB and new IFB.
Go to Galatians chapter one, if you would,
Galatians chapter number one.
Galatians chapter number one, I know it's hot in here,
but just keep in mind that it's hotter out there.
And the old IFB, they used to say, it's hot,
but hell is hotter, okay?
Well, obviously, you know?
But, you know, we don't necessarily have this problem.
It's hot in here, but it's way hotter out there.
And so bear with me this evening,
try your best to stay awake and pinch yourself,
pull the hairs off your legs if you have to,
to keep yourself awake.
Okay, let's talk about doctrinal differences
between old IFB and new IFB.
And before I get into that, let me just preface this
with this statement here, and that is,
I don't believe there's a problem with people
who are new IFB listeners going to an old IFB church.
In fact, I encourage that, I think that's a good option.
And you know, unfortunately, I meet a lot of people online,
they just always have a problem with that,
and they always tell me,
"Hey, do you know a church in this area?"
And I'm like, "Just choose the closest
"fundamental Baptist church."
And they go there and they're just like,
"I don't like it, it's Zionist, it's pre-trib."
You know, and I'm thinking to myself,
I pretty much thrived in a Zionist pre-trib church
for 10 years.
I was there for 10 years, you know,
listening to that and things that I didn't agree with,
but I loved that church.
I loved the people of that church.
I had a great time in that church.
I won people to Christ in that church.
I thrived, I was serving there, I had a future there,
I loved that church.
And I think any Christian can thrive in an old IFB church.
I don't believe it's inferior in any way
as far as spiritually is concerned.
You can thrive there, God can bless you there.
He can use you to be a blessing to the pastor,
to the people, et cetera.
But here's the thing, if you're just like set
and you're just like, I will not go to an old IFB church,
okay, then stop complaining and move then.
Because the option is never,
why I'm just not gonna go to church, period.
Not going to church is not a better alternative
to going to an old IFB church.
Let me just explain that, make that very clear.
It's just like, oh, I'd rather just not go to church at all.
That's not an option.
Your only other option is move
or go to that old IFB church until you're ready
to move to a new IFB church.
But if you can't do that,
then thrive and enjoy what you have near you.
Now thankfully, we don't have that issue.
There's a new IFB church right here, right?
And so, you know, I always tell people that,
no, I get it though.
I get it 100%.
Old IFB churches are getting to a point
where it's almost like, it's getting to that point
where it's really hard to stay in an old IFB church, okay?
'Cause before we were like, well, you know,
there's Zionist and pre-trib, whatever.
But I'm gonna explain some of the doctrinal differences
that maybe wasn't there five, 10 years ago,
as strong as it is right now.
So problem number one, doctrinal differences, salvation.
Now, in general, old IFB, they believe right on salvation,
okay?
My old IFB church,
they taught the right things about salvation.
My father-in-law taught the right things about salvation.
The assistant pastors taught the right thing
about salvation.
And in general, the members taught the right things
about salvation.
I mean, there was no question
that salvation was by grace through faith alone.
It was by believing on Jesus Christ.
We were a soul-wanting church,
and so you can see it on the tracks,
and that was just what we believed, okay?
And in general, they believe right on salvation,
but here's the problem,
is that they will often turn a blind eye
to those who don't have the right salvation,
and will even fellowship with people
who don't have the right salvation.
That's a problem.
So it's weird that you hold to the right salvation,
but somehow you just make an exception
for heretics or something,
just because they're fundamental Baptists.
It's almost as if, well, they're fundamental Baptists,
so they're brothers.
Yeah, but what if he's saved,
you have to repent of your sins to be saved.
That's a major problem.
It sounds like you're being a respecter of people.
And so I get it when sometimes when Christians are like,
I can't go to this old IP church,
because even though they claim to believe
in the right salvation,
the pastor keeps putting heretics behind the pulpit
as guest preachers, preaching damnable heresy.
You know, I would have a problem with that for sure.
Because it's like, if you believe salvation
is by grace through faith alone,
and that is your biblical conviction,
you can prove it from the Bible.
That's how you get people saved.
It's on your doctrinal statement.
Why do you put someone behind the sacred desk
to teach otherwise?
That's a problem.
That's a major difference.
Look at Galatians chapter one, if you would,
Galatians chapter one, verse number six.
I marvel that you are so soon removed from him
that it called you into the grace of Christ
unto another gospel, which is not another,
but there be some that trouble you
and will pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven,
preach any other gospel unto you
than that which he hath preached unto you,
let him be accursed.
And if you missed it the first time,
he repeats it the second time.
As we said before, so say I now again,
if any man preach any other gospel unto you
than that which he hath received,
let him be accursed, the Bible says.
Go to 2 Corinthians chapter 11,
2 Corinthians chapter 11.
The Apostle Paul is speaking to a Bible-believing church.
They were won to Christ by the Apostle Paul.
The Apostle Paul has the right gospel,
and he's saying, you know, people are creeping in,
teaching another gospel, these people are accursed.
You know what the Bible says?
Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness,
but rather reprove them.
And you know what?
I don't care if a pastor is right about CCM,
and if he's wrong on salvation, he's wrong.
David Cloud can have all kinds of literature
against CCM and against the liberal movements
and mega churches, and he does all this exposure
of these types of churches, but he's wrong on salvation.
He's constantly teaching, you have to repent
of your sins to be saved.
That's heretical.
That man's accursed.
And you know what my problem is sometimes with the old IFB
is that they don't make a big enough deal about that.
They will look at something like this and say,
oh, he's overboard.
You know, you're taking them out of context.
You just, you know, you're just, you know, I don't,
I think he believes in the right salvation.
When he literally has articles and articles and articles
preaching that you have to repent of your sins to be saved.
I had someone send me articles from him and I told him,
it was about something unrelated to the topic.
And I said, I don't read anything from David Cloud
'cause he's not saved.
He said, what makes you think he's not saved?
He believes you have to repent of your sins to be saved.
So he said, and so later on,
he sent me articles about salvation from David Cloud
and he goes, yeah, it seems like he believes
right about salvation.
And it took me about 60 seconds.
'Cause on your phone, you can just highlight
and, you know, new IP people, we're just like,
meh, we're better than AI, you know what I mean?
We're just like, works, works, works, works, works,
repentance, not heretic, you know, you just see it all.
So it took me about 60 seconds to just highlight everything
and send it right back and say, here's, you know,
you get a D minus, you know what I mean?
Here's all the answers you got wrong.
And I was trying to show him, like, this guy is not saved.
Look at all the heresy that he has about salvation.
And you know, this guy that sent this to me, he is saved.
He's a godly man.
He loves the Lord.
He's serving God.
But the problem is, when doctrine is not emphasized,
you begin to make exceptions to the rule.
And you're not really honed in on pointing out
heresy sometimes.
And you know, we catch a lot of flack as new FB
for being too critical, but you know what?
These people are not critical enough.
That's the problem.
Oh, you guys are too critical.
Thank you.
That's why I can see all the heresy.
You're not critical enough.
You need to judge these matters
and stop letting people have a pass
just because they're IFB and have conservative music.
If they have the wrong salvation,
they can sing the hymns all the way to hell
at the end of the day.
So yeah, you know what?
The old IFB is great when it comes to salvation,
but for some stinging reason,
they don't see a problem with promoting false prophets.
Look at the Bible sentence in 2 Corinthians 11, verse three.
The apostle Paul here again says,
"But I fear, lest by any means,
"as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety,
"so your mind should be corrupted
"from the simplicity that is in Christ.
"For if he that cometh and preacheth another Jesus,
"whom we have not preached,
"or if ye receive another spirit which ye have not received,
"or another gospel which ye have not accepted,
"ye might kick him out."
Is that what it says?
No, it says, "ye might well bear with him."
Meaning, you know, I'm worried about you guys,
'cause sometimes people preach another Jesus,
another gospel, have another spirit,
and you bear with them.
You get up and make excuses and say,
"Well, he's a little off on this area, you know,
but he's right in a lot of other areas.
If he's wrong on salvation, he's wrong on everything."
So what's the major difference
between old IFB and new IFB?
Well, one is this matter of salvation.
Not that they're not saved,
but they often promote fundamental Baptists
who preach a wrong gospel.
And you know what?
I don't even care if the guy preaches hard.
If he has the wrong gospel,
folks, Pentecostals preach hard.
There's some Spanish Pentecostal preachers
that will preach the house down
against alcohol and fornication and worldliness
and all this, that, and the other,
but they're gonna split hell wide open
'cause they're not saved.
That stuff doesn't matter if you're not saved.
So you know, you can have some fundamental Baptist pastor
preaching hard, preaching hard against liberalism,
promoting Trump, he's against Kamala,
preaching against all the liberalism and the leftists
and preaching against CCM and the Purple Lights
and the megachurches and all,
but if the guy's preaching a false gospel,
he's a heretic, should not be promoted.
Now, let me just say, obviously,
I understand that not all old IFP preachers are like this.
I am painting the old IFP with a broad brush,
guilty as charged, but do you know why I'm doing that?
Because the majority of them do this.
The majority of them are like that.
Even at the churches that I've attended,
that's how they are,
and they have a tendency to turn a blind eye to it.
You know what?
Old IFP needs to tighten up the screw there
and not just make exception
because they're fundamental Baptists.
And you know what?
Just because you have fundamental Baptists on your name
does not exempt you for being called out.
Like, well, we call out the liberals,
but we should never call out fundamental Baptists.
You're getting called out if you're a heretic.
Plain and simple,
because God has no respect for people.
And so, old IFP, new IFP, new IFP one, old IFP zero, okay?
In that area, they're saved, they have the right gospel.
And in fact, if you were to attend one of their services
and the pastor would have witnessed to you,
he'd probably get you saved if you weren't saved,
'cause they have the right gospel.
But it's just weird, for whatever reason,
they have a tendency to promote,
and a lot of people behind their pulpit
who do not preach the right gospel, and that is wrong, okay?
Go to Hebrews chapter eight, Hebrews chapter eight.
Hebrews chapter number eight, if you would.
You know, God exalts a church that abhors evil,
that does not put up with and tolerate false apostles,
false prophets, that's a good thing.
I think you're just critical.
The Bible calls that judgment.
And so God expects us to judge.
All right, number two.
I don't wanna belabor that point, but that's a big point.
Number two, as far as differences between old IFP, new IFP,
dispensationalism.
This is a major difference between old and new IFP, okay?
Most fundamental Baptist churches are dispensational.
And you know, they believe in a preacher of rapture.
They believe the Jews are God's chosen people.
And obviously there's a wide spectrum
of dispensational beliefs.
And most old IFP churches fit on that spectrum, okay?
You know, there's like an extreme dispensationalism,
and then there's like a moderate dispensationalism.
And I would say the majority of fundamental Baptists
are on the moderate side of dispensationalism,
not on the extreme side.
You say, what do you mean by extreme?
Well, dispensationalism is the belief
that God has dispensed different ways
of dealing with mankind,
especially in regards to salvation.
So they believe that people were saved differently
throughout history, okay?
They were saved by works in the Old Testament,
and we are in the church age,
albeit the Laodicean church age,
where people are saved by grace through faith,
but in the book of Revelation,
people will be saved once again by works.
That is a false gospel, okay?
And that is heretical.
Now that they also believe in the doctrine of church ages.
So they will interpret the seven churches
which are in Asia in Revelation two and three
as essentially describing these different ages
that churches have gone through throughout history
that essentially describe how those churches were
in that era, which is why a lot of the times,
they say that we're in the Laodicean church era
'cause they're basically saying that they're lukewarm.
Now, we hold to a post-trib, pre-wrath, rapture,
and we believe in replacement theology
because it's in the Bible,
and it's very much easy to prove these things,
but a lot of these fundamental Baptist churches
that are old IFB churches, they are not willing to,
and this is one major problem
with fundamental Baptist churches of yesteryear,
is that they're not willing to discuss these things
and just open up the Bible and say,
"Look, this is what the Bible says."
And that's one thing that has bothered me
for the last seven, eight years, nine years or so,
is that when I've wanted to sit down
with some of these people with Bible in hand
and just humbly discuss these issues,
they don't wanna do that.
Now, why not?
The truth fears no investigation, okay?
And if the truth fears no investigation,
let's discuss these things,
but I'm gonna tell you why they don't, okay?
Because they know that you'll prove them wrong.
They're afraid of the fact that they're wrong,
and they don't wanna come to grips with the fact
that their beloved Jews are not God's chosen people.
'Cause they have this superstitious view of the Jews,
and this is just what's been promoted to them.
And I've talked to people, and I'm telling you,
not a single old IFB leader or pastor
has ever wanted to discuss this matter with me.
Even when I've just kind of just humbly come to them
and ask them, let's just talk about this,
they don't wanna do it
because they don't wanna face reality.
They wanna live in a fantasy world
where they still believe the dispensational truth
of the Jews being God's people
and that they're gonna be gone
before all this stuff happens or whatever.
But it's wrong, okay?
Now let me say a couple things about dispensationalism.
As I mentioned, the extreme aspect is when people believe
that people are saved differently throughout history.
And this is not indicative
of all fundamental Baptist churches.
These are rucktards, okay?
They're just backwoods, hillbilly, inbred, rucktard,
fools, they're asses.
They're just the most idiotic group
of the fundamental Baptists.
I'm so ashamed of them, okay?
Because of the fact that they call themselves
fundamental Baptists, okay?
Because Peter Ruckman, you know,
he popularized dispensationalism
within the fundamental Baptist circles,
even though it existed prior to that.
He popularized it and spread it through
fundamental Baptist churches.
And they believe some of the most out-of-pocket,
off-the-wall doctrines that you will ever hear, okay?
Just crazy, and I'm not gonna get into all of them
because we made a film called "Dispensation of Heresy"
and we highlight all that.
You can probably look it up on YouTube.
I don't know where it's at exactly.
So that's the extreme version of it, okay?
Where, you know, I mean, what's,
I'm just trying to think of like the most wildest thing.
You know, Peter Ruckman said that
when the rapture takes place,
there'll just be pints of blood everywhere
where people were raptured.
'Cause flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
So his interpretation of that was that
when you get raptured,
just pints of blood are right there, right here,
just blood everywhere,
'cause your blood can't go to heaven.
That's why we call them Rektards.
'Cause they're spiritually retarded.
That's the dumbest nonsense I've ever heard, okay?
Oh, you shouldn't call them retarded.
They are retarded, they're stupid.
Who in their right mind would look at the Bible and say,
oh, that means there's gonna be all kinds of blood everywhere
when people get raptured.
So that's the extreme version,
but you know, the moderate dispensationalists
of fundamental Baptist churches are those who hold
to Zionism and the pre-tribulation rapture.
You know, many churches are like this.
And at the end of the day, it's just very easily debunked.
And I will say this is that I've noticed a trend
over the last maybe three years or so,
where a lot of old IFB churches are starting
to inch their way into believing correctly on end times
Bible prophecy and even correctly on the Jews.
Before it was like a hot button,
where it's like you just could not touch that.
You know, you say, and you're just like, "Erdek."
But now, you know, it's just like, how can you deny it?
You have the internet, there's so much information out there.
Obviously the Bible is crystal clear about it.
And they're starting to realize, oh man, you know,
maybe they're right about this.
Now here's my personal opinion why a lot of the old IFB
aren't really fighting a whole lot of people
on these two issues as much as before.
It's because a lot of their members
have been converted to that position.
And unfortunately, a lot of old IFB pastors,
they're kind of, you know, they're servants of men.
And so if they have a majority of people in their church
leaning towards more a post-tribulation or pre-wrath
rapture, leaning towards more a replacement theology,
they have to try to placate that side
so they're not gonna fight them on it.
So as long as they're the majority,
oh, that'll hit you hard with it.
But once they start realizing
that they're the minority,
and a lot more people are holding
to the biblical position on the Jews
and the Antichrist prophecy,
then at that point it's just like,
well, you know, that's not really a big deal.
You love the Lord, I love the Lord.
'Cause the world was all that talk before.
And it doesn't take much to prove replacement theology either.
And let me just say this,
if you ever run into a friend who believes in that,
both pre-trib and Zionism, go for Zionism first.
And then go for the pre-trib after, okay?
Because Zionism is very easy to prove.
I mean, so is, you know, excuse me,
replacement theology is super easy to prove,
and Zionism is easy to debunk.
And so is the pre-trib,
but the pre-trib requires their understanding
of end times prophecy.
But replacement theology,
you can just take the legs off of that super easy, okay?
There's plenty of verses that you can just quote,
and they won't really have an answer for it, okay?
Romans 2.28, you have Revelation 2 and 3,
Ephesians chapter 2, all the book of Galatians,
virtually all the book of Hebrews, you have John 8.44.
There are certain verses that I've quoted to people
that they still haven't, I'm still waiting,
and it's just, there's no answer to that.
They told me it's out of context,
but they never really quite gave me the context.
Now, look at Hebrews chapter eight,
and this is one of my favorite verses
to use against Zionism, because it's so crystal clear.
Look at verse 10, referring to the new covenant.
It says here, "For this is the covenant
"that I will make with the house of Israel
"after those days."
So who is he making the covenant with?
Israel, right?
The house of Israel.
And obviously this new covenant includes Gentiles as well.
He says, "Say it to the Lord.
"I will put my laws into their mind
"and write them in their hearts."
And I want you to notice these last two phrases here.
"And I will be to them a God."
Now doesn't that imply that he's currently not their God?
If he's saying, "I will be to them a God,"
it's basically saying, "I'm not your God
"at the current moment."
Oh, and look at the second phrase.
"And they shall be to me a people,"
implying that they're currently not the people of God.
So in order for this promise to make sense,
in order for this verse to make logical sense,
we have to come to the conclusion
that the house of Israel does not have
the God of the Bible as their God,
and the house of Israel is not the people of God.
'Cause then that wouldn't make sense
if they were currently the people of God,
and God was their God, okay?
And so the Bible tells us,
"For he is not a Jew which is one outwardly,
"neither is that circumcision outward in the flesh
"made of hands, but he is a Jew which is one inwardly,
"as circumcision is that of the heart and of the spirit,
"whose praise is not of men but of God."
It's like, no, the Jew is referring to those
who are in Israel and at the Wailing Wall,
you know, and doing this or whatever.
But let me tell you why, there's two reasons why.
Old IFB churches have been into the lie of Zionism,
hook, line and sinker, this is two reasons why, okay.
Reason number one is dispensationalism, okay,
via the CI, via CI Schofield, Peter Ruckman.
Reason number two is because old IFB
are more interested in politics than in the Bible.
So they view the Bible through a political lens.
Zionism is a political agenda that has infiltrated churches
into making people think that it's a doctrinal,
you know, position, but it's not.
It's a political ideology that has infiltrated churches
and made people think, churches think,
that it has to do with the Bible, okay?
That's the reason why.
So old IFB, the reason they've bitten into this
because they're too much into politics.
They're way more versed on policies
and what the president said and the position of Republicans
more than what the Bible says.
They read the word of God through the lens of politics,
talk radio and the like, okay?
And so you said, well, how do I prevent that?
How about you just turn off political talk
and just read the Bible?
Well, then I won't know what's going on
and I won't fear for my life every single day
and I'm not gonna stress and I'm not gonna have anxiety
and I'm not gonna, yeah, that's a good idea.
But I know some of you are just addicts to anxiety.
You're just addicts to fear.
You're addicts to just bad news.
And so be it, if that's what you wanna do, then so be it.
But folks, God did not give us the spirit of fear
but a power of love and a sound mind
and that is attained through the scriptures, okay?
All right, go to 1 John chapter two, if you would,
1 John chapter two.
And so, you know, that's the major difference
between old IP and new IP is their dispensational position.
And quite frankly, I'll be honest with you,
it's really easy to debunk this when you speak to them
because of the fact that they're not really well-versed
in these positions.
They don't really know how to answer a lot of this stuff
because they've never really been challenged with this,
okay?
And so, and people say, well, dispensations,
that's in the Bible.
Yeah, it's mentioned like four times in the Bible,
then why is it the dispensationalists come up
with like seven different dispensations?
If it's only mentioned like three or four times
in the Bible, where's all these seven
different dispensations from?
Crazy.
All right, number three, I'm almost hasting here,
and I'm gonna breeze through this one
because I've already kind of mentioned it.
Doctrinal differences between old IFB and new IFB
is the Bible.
Now, obviously, old IFB are King James only, amen.
That's what they taught us.
This is why our conviction is so strong
because they taught us about this.
But unfortunately, most fundamental Baptist churches
use the Schofield Reference Bible.
So, you know, it's great to use the King James,
but unfortunately, you're reading the King James
through C.I. Schofield,
which is why a lot of fundamental Baptists
hold to the gap theory.
They hold to Zionism, dispensationalism.
They read it through the lens of hyper-dispensationalism.
Look at 1 John chapter two and verse 26.
It says, "These things have been written unto you
concerning them that seduce you.
But the anointing which ye have received of him
abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you.
But as the same anointing teacheth you of all things,
and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you,
ye shall abide in him."
Baptists just need to get back to the ministry
of the Holy Spirit.
And you know what?
It's not as fast as a commentary.
It's not as fast as the references in the Bible.
But you know what?
It's quality interpretation, though.
You know, prayer and submitting to the ministry
of the Holy Spirit.
Open down mine eyes that I may behold wondrous things
out of thy law.
Study to show thyself approved unto God.
It worked me in the need not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.
They'll get the truth.
And you know, I was, to a certain extent,
I guess, a dispensationalist.
No tomatoes, please.
I believe the Jews were God's chosen people
because I was part of that.
And we weren't hardcore on it.
It's just like the narrative of the old IFP.
And I specifically remember, in 2009,
I was reading my Bible.
I was reading through Romans.
And I read Romans 2, 28 to 29.
And I was like, oh, we're the Jews.
But it was weird, though, because I still believe
that the Jews were God's chosen people.
But why did I believe that?
Because of dispensationalism, C.I. Schofield, and all that.
But I had this new thought introduced by the Bible
that we were the Jews.
He said, what did you do with that?
Nothing.
I just, I didn't even think about it.
And then I remember going soul winning
with someone in our church.
And later we found out that this guy was a reformer.
He was like a Protestant, he was a Calvinist.
And he was like, he was trying to like indoctrinate me.
And I remember like, he was like,
he was sitting there and he goes, hey, Bruce.
So you know, you know who the true,
the real Jews are, right?
'Cause you know, some Calvinists
are actually replacement theology.
They call it covenant theology,
but you know, they believe in replacement theology
to a certain extent.
And he said, you know who the Jews are?
I was like, yeah, us.
And he's like, yeah, yeah, you're right.
I was like, yeah, the Bible says,
and I quoted Romans 2.20, I was like,
I just read that in my Bible a couple of weeks ago.
And he thought like I was all the way,
but I wasn't all the way,
'cause I was still kind of like
having that dispensational view.
And so, you know, once I went all the way
and I understood replacement theology,
you know, I felt like an idiot.
'Cause you know, I've read the Bible multiple times
before that, and I just didn't see it,
but it kind of shows you,
it shows you how powerful heresy can be.
How strong those bottle cap dispensational lenses are.
Where like, you could literally be reading
the book of Galatians and not even think twice
about the fact that it's a book
just completely debunking Zionism.
You know, they're just, we're just kind of blinded to that.
I was blinded to that for a while.
But let me say this, once I came across the truth
and I studied it for myself,
I literally saw it like on every page.
Like as I'm reading the Bible, I'm like,
it's right there, it's right there, it's right there,
it's right there, it's right there, it's right there.
And then in my mind, I'm just like,
everything's about to juice, you know.
He's reading the New Testament, he's just like,
to the point where I remember like,
when we started the church,
our preacher's sermon like,
the three enemies of the New Testament,
it's like one of them was the Jews, you know.
I'm like, that's all over the New Testament, it's true.
And now when I read the Bible, I'm like,
oh man, it's just right, how could I have missed it?
But I'll tell you how I missed it.
It's the same way every other Baptist misses it,
and that is they're reading it through a preconceived idea,
false doctrine that has been inserted,
and it's hard for them to see it.
They have to put that stuff away,
just get a Bible, read it.
You know what, have a bias for truth, okay?
Not a bias for what fundamental Baptists believe.
Have just a bias for truth,
and you'll come to the right conclusions, okay?
Let's move on here.
Go to John chapter 12, if you would, John chapter 12.
Doctrinal differences of new IFB, old IFB,
here's a big one, the reprobate doctrine.
You know, fundamental Baptists in general, old IFB,
don't really hold to the reprobate doctrine.
And this is kind of an odd one, if you think about it,
because they're so conscious of souls,
and they understand salvation,
and they understand that people in hell can't be saved.
So it's kind of weird why they wouldn't agree
with the reprobate doctrine.
And I even remember being in old IFB churches
where they preached like a form of reprobate doctrine,
and you kind of listen and it's like,
well, that was the reprobate doctrine right there.
You know, God's three deadlines.
That's the reprobate doctrine right there.
But they don't want to call it the reprobate doctrine.
And in my opinion, it's because it's associated
with the new IFB and they hate the new IFB.
That's probably just it, okay?
But this is strongly attached to the sodomites in their eyes.
So one of the reasons they reject the reprobate doctrine
and they just don't, they think it's heretical or whatever.
It's not because they can't debunk it,
or it's not because they can debunk it, excuse me.
It's because of the fact that they don't really like
our disposition against the sodomites
'cause they're reprobate in our eyes.
And so they're like, oh man,
you're saying they can never be saved.
But you know, that's also weird that you would take offense
for the homos.
What is wrong with you?
And you kind of wonder like, well, what's the deal with that?
'Cause I get people ask me that all the time,
like, why are old IFBs so sympathetic towards the sodomites?
Why is that?
What's the issue with them
just being so sympathetic towards them?
And the reason why, in my opinion,
is because they're afraid of them.
They're scared of them.
Because they think if they take the position
that we take about the reprobate doctrine,
they're gonna catch flak,
they're gonna catch some persecution,
and people are gonna get mad at them,
and they're gonna offend some of their church members.
But you know what?
Then they're up there for the wrong reasons, okay?
And why are you afraid of a fag anyways?
What's wrong with you?
If God before us, who can be against us?
God smoked an entire city of homos.
They're basically made of glass.
Just kidding.
They're just, you know,
like why are you afraid of the sodomites?
And you know what?
If you're a pastor and you're afraid of them,
you're afraid to speak out against them,
then you probably shouldn't be a pastor.
Because as a pastor,
you're supposed to have boldness,
you're supposed to have courage,
you're supposed to be an example to the flock.
You're supposed to exemplify what the Bible says
about being a man of God and loving righteousness
and it's chewing evil.
And you can't do that sympathizing with sodomites.
And it would be different if it was like
these old IFB churches had a ministry
for sodomites or something.
You're attacking our ministry,
but they don't have a ministry for sodomites
'cause deep down inside, they don't like them either.
They find them disgusting too.
That's just the reality.
But in my opinion, it's probably because
they're just afraid of them or something.
And I'm painting old IFB with a broad brush
with this as well, because not all of them are like this.
And may I say, in my assessment,
over the last maybe three years,
I've seen a lot of old IFB even inch their way
towards the Reparate Doctrine belief.
'Cause there's a guy, his name is Tony Hudson.
He's a pastor in the South,
and I'm not a really big fan of Southern preachers.
Let me just go on and say that.
Other than Pastor Shelley and Pastor Berzins,
they're in the South, but you know,
I'm not a big fan of fundamental Baptist churches
in the South.
You know, those churches suck.
I'm just gonna be honest with you.
Why would you say that?
'Cause you know, I've been to the South,
and you know what?
A lot of those churches don't do soul winning.
A lot of those churches just fight with each other,
they're wrong-doctrinating in a lot of areas,
and you know, they're just,
they're more political than they are Christian.
But this guy, you know, he's pretty legit.
He was out there, he's an old IFB guy,
and you know, he needs to preach on gluttony,
but that's another story.
But he was preaching hard,
and he was preaching the reprobate doctrine.
He was saying that homos were reprobate.
And he was telling his congregation,
or someone's congregation,
it wasn't his, it was actually someone else's.
He was telling them, like, hey,
you need to stop wasting your time
trying to win us to these homos.
They're a lost cause,
you can't get them saved, they're reprobate.
And you know, in old IFB churches,
like the pastors will often sit on the platform,
like the assistant pastors,
and you can see the pastor back there,
and he's just like, he's just freaking out.
Like, you see the fear on his face, like, oh no.
But what are they gonna say?
Tony Hutz is like a big namer in the old IFB,
and if he says it, then they, you know,
they invited him to preach or whatever.
And all, and I would, if I was out there,
I'd be like, "Hi, man, brother," you know.
I probably would've started dancing,
or, you know, a little hanky and everything.
You know, I probably would've gone crazy or something.
That would've merited that.
I don't typically get that way, but you know what?
You get an old IFB pastor preaching
at least a little bit against the sodomites.
Bless God.
You know, I might start dancing, I don't know.
I might do a little Crip walk, and I don't know.
It's just like, that's exciting stuff right there.
But it's kind of showing that a lot of old IFB
are kind of like moving towards understanding
that this is an important doctrine, okay?
Look what the Bible says in John chapter 12, verse 37,
but though he had done so many miracles before them,
yet they believed not on him,
that the saying of Isaiah's, the prophet might be fulfilled,
which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report,
to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed,
therefore they could not believe,
because that Isaiah sayeth again.
So it's saying that they could not believe,
and he's explaining why they can't believe.
He says, verse 40, he, referring to God,
has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart,
that they should not see with their eyes,
nor understand with their heart,
and be converted, and I should heal them.
So according to this passage,
God is the one responsible for making them
so that they're not saved.
He's blinding them.
He's hardening their hearts
so that they cannot believe the report
that's given unto them.
You know what that's called?
The Reprobate Doctrine.
It's God removing a person's ability to believe
so that they can't be saved, okay?
And I don't want to belabor that point
because I got more points on here,
but it's important.
You know, that's something that we differ on.
And you know, there might be some old Ivy people listening
and they might take offense to this,
but prove me wrong.
Prove me wrong.
They did not just say that in John chapter 12.
Prove me wrong.
And the Bible doesn't contradict itself.
So don't pull out John 3:16,
'cause we both already agree on John 3:16.
Explain John 12.
All right, so those are the major like doctrinal differences
between old and new IFP.
Let's talk about the practical differences
for the last few minutes here, okay?
First and foremost, when it comes to practical things,
here's a major difference between old IFP and new IFP.
Shallow sermon content versus saturated sermons, okay?
Unfortunately, a lot of old IFP churches,
one major difference is that their sermons are very short.
35, maybe 40 minutes, okay?
And a lot of that 35 to 40 minutes of preaching
often only has just a handful of verses,
one verse sometimes.
They'll literally start off with the verse
and then just close their Bibles
and it's just stories, illustrations,
Ted Talk, this, that, and the other, okay?
Not all of them, but a lot of them are like that,
unfortunately.
I've been under some great men of God
who preach some great sermons.
They preach hard against sin,
but even then the sermons were a lot shorter.
It wasn't saturated with a lot of doctrine,
which would explain why a lot of people in these churches
have very shallow understanding of doctrine.
Because if it's not being expounded from the pulpit,
the people are not being taught,
their pure minds are not being stirred up
by way of remembrance using the scriptures,
then you know what?
You're gonna have a shallow church
that doesn't really understand doctrine, okay?
Whereas new IFB churches, good night in the morning,
you'll get at least 50 verses in a sermon.
That's like minimum.
You go to a fundamental Baptist church in the new IFB,
you're gonna get a sermon.
You're gonna be turning your Bible a lot.
And you're gonna be well-equipped on how to use the Bible
'cause you're constantly going from one passage to another.
You're gonna learn about books of the Bible.
You're gonna be saturated with sermons.
And you know what?
It's great when you can be a part of a church
that addresses scriptures
that churches just don't wanna address.
I remember being under preaching, thinking to myself like,
man, I wish they really would talk about this verse.
Or they'll maybe talk about a chapter.
I'm like, oh man, that's the chapter that has that one verse.
And then they read it like, oh, he's gonna get into that.
And then they just move on.
It's just like, and you're just hungry for it.
And unfortunately, not only
is the sermon content shallow sometimes,
but you know what, even the fellowship is shallow too.
'Cause one major thing in old IFB churches
is that as soon as we pray, you just hear footsteps,
just running out of the auditorium,
going to get their kids in the nursery and then they're gone.
Now I get it, sometimes people gotta go or whatever,
but you know what, the church is made to fellowship, amen?
And the conversations in church
typically are about the Bible in our church
or things related to the Bible.
But you know, old IFB churches,
you can't really bring up biblical conversations.
It's almost like shameful to do that.
And you know, sometimes I get frustrated as a pastor
because I'm preaching for like two hours on Sunday,
but then I'm really preaching for like
four, five, six hours on Sunday.
Because after service, then people ask me about Bible,
and then we have like another hour of Bible teaching.
And I'm not saying that's a bad thing,
it's just like, man, are you guys aren't like,
you guys aren't satiated enough or what?
But it's a good thing, it's a good problem to have.
'Cause people are just hungry for more, right?
Whereas in old IP churches, you can't just go up
to the pastor and just ask some random biblical question.
You know what they'll tell you?
You gotta go to Bible college.
That's what they'll tell you.
So how do you know?
Because I was there.
Like if you ever get really deep into like
a doctrinal question, they'll be like,
go to Bible college, Bible Institute, Bible college.
If you really wanna learn the meat of the word,
you gotta go there.
No, you get the meat of the word here.
And you know what, it's not hard to just open up the Bible,
discuss about something biblical,
just give someone an answer, plain and simple.
And if I don't know an answer, I'll just tell them like,
I gotta look it up, I don't know,
I haven't really thought about that particular topic.
But in general, most people here know,
if you ask me a biblical question,
I'm gonna give you an answer right then and there.
I'll quote scripture, I'll tell you what the Bible says,
I'll try to, you know, dissolve doubts
and teach you what the word of God actually says
and not shame you for it.
Unless, of course, you're just coming up
with some wild-eyed interpretation or something, okay?
And so shallow sermon content versus saturated sermons,
the Bible says that we should preach the word
with all long-suffering and doctrine.
That means you gotta use the Bible
and tell people where to go in the word of God.
Till I come, give attendance to reading
to exhortation to doctrine.
Go to John chapter two, John chapter two.
You know, the apostle Paul said,
I kept back nothing that was profitable to you.
And so it's important for pastors to do this.
And old IFU was just notorious
for just kind of going to one verse,
one passage, not really expounding upon it,
doing more topical sermons rather than expository.
And I like both.
I like topical and expository,
which is why we do topical sometimes on Sundays.
And every Thursday we do expository,
where we go verse by verse,
explaining what the Bible says,
a book of the Bible,
explaining certain things and expounding upon them.
That is important, okay?
Now, let me just say this also
regarding the sermon content.
Unfortunately, a lot of fundamental Baptist churches
are leaning more towards being liberal now.
That's just fact.
And you can even see it in their preaching.
They're starting to preach like these mega church pastors.
Okay, and they're cutting down on the time,
they're cutting down on the content,
they're not trying to say anything controversial.
And I feel like the old IFB is gonna be
like the Southern Baptist Church
in respect to fundamental Baptists.
Because fundamental Baptists
were part of the Southern Baptist Convention
at one point years ago in the roaring 20s.
They were part of that convention, they were very fiery,
but then the Southern Baptist Movement
began to just kind of go a little liberal,
they stopped doing the evangelizing,
and so independent Baptists left that,
they became independents in faith and practice
because the Southern Baptists
were just kind of going haywire.
And I mean, look at the Southern Baptist Convention now,
ordaining women pastors and all, and so anyways.
We're talking about practices here,
differences between new and old IFB.
Number two, buying and selling in the church.
That's a major difference between old and new IFB church.
A lot of old IFB churches, bookstores, coffee shops,
obviously Christian schools, things of that nature,
they charge to learn the Bible.
And those who can't afford going to Bible college,
they'll often say, well, you can pay this amount
to be a part of a Bible institute.
Well, they'll meet like once or twice a week
or something like that, but they still charge for you
to learn the word of God.
This is wrong.
Look at John chapter two and verse 13.
It says the Jews Passover was at hand
and Jesus went up to Jerusalem and found in the temple
those that sold oxen and sheep and doves
and the changers of money sitting.
And when he had made a scourge of small cords,
he drove them all out of the temple
and the sheep and the oxen and poured out the changers money
and over to the tables and said to them that sold doves,
take these things hence.
Make not my father's house a house of merchandise.
What is he saying?
Don't sell anything in the church to your members.
Now, we say here that everything is free.
But obviously, don't get all wild and start
taking the chairs or something.
You know what I mean?
Like, you know, obviously when we say things are free,
we're referring to like the activities, whatever's
in the fridge, I guess.
You know, if you want a hymn book, take the hymn book.
OK?
But, you know, don't just start like, you know,
looking in my office and see what you can take
or something like that.
The principle is this, is that whatever the church offers
should be free, OK?
There should be no fine paid to learn the Bible, OK?
And you say, well, yeah, but don't you
command people to tithe?
No, God commands people to tithe.
But even then, I'm out of the picture on that one.
I'm not like Miss Kelly Franceschini,
it's time for our monthly meeting.
I noticed that you didn't tithe.
You know, I'm not an accountant checking on who tithes
and who doesn't.
God takes care of that.
But here's the thing.
Let's just hypothetically say you don't tithe
for an entire year.
You still have a right to be here
and hear the preaching of God's word.
And I'm not going to be like, hey, Brother Israel,
you haven't tithed in three months, so you're going to have
to wait outside while we're done with this sermon, you know?
It'll be weird.
The truth is free, amen?
Bible is free, content is free.
Doctrine should be free.
And so, you know, a lot of these old IP churches
catch flak for being 501(c)(3).
And we're not 501(c)(3), and I don't criticize churches
for being 501(c)(3), but let me just tell you
why they're 501(c)(3).
It's because they're selling in church, okay?
That's one of the major reasons as to why.
And, you know, when you do that,
the quality of what, you know, they're giving out drops.
Plain and simple, okay?
You know, you're paying for all this.
You're paying for Bible college,
but the quality of the content you're getting
in Bible college is very poor.
Doctrine is poor, the practices are poor.
It's just, you know, and so God has ordained it
so that the house of God should not be a house of merchandise.
Things should be given out for free.
We should not be buying and selling in church,
but old IAP churches have a tendency to do that.
And look, let me just say this is that I don't believe
that every church that does buying and selling in church
is a wicked church, okay?
That there's just an evil, wicked church.
Obviously there are some that are.
You know, Joel's thing, dude's wicked.
Rick Warren, dude is wicked.
Megachurch pastors that do these things,
John MacArthur, dude is wicked.
And I'm not saying that all of them are.
You know, some fundamental Baptists
just inherit these practices
from whoever trained them and sent them out
and they think it's the right thing to do.
There was a time when I felt it was the right thing to do.
But again, when you're confronted with the truth,
you gotta make a decision that you have a bias
towards what the Bible says,
regardless of what man's tradition
has taught you in times past, okay?
Pretty simple, right?
Go to, turn with me if you would, to Ephesians chapter four.
Ephesians chapter four.
Let me breeze through these last points.
Differences between old and new,
segregating the family, that's another one.
We already kind of, I don't wanna belabor that point
'cause I talked about that in the morning.
Nurseries, Sunday school classes, teen church,
they have a tendency to segregate the family,
whereas the biblical model is to keep the family together
in church services.
Differences between old and new IFB.
Number four, Christian school versus homeschool.
Old IFB hates it when you homeschool.
They think it's like weird and it's just like,
how in the world can you think homeschooling is weird
when the Bible literally teaches
that parents are supposed to teach their kids?
And you know, I know what I'm talking about
when it comes to this because of the fact
that I've been on both sides of the fence.
I was a Christian school teacher,
albeit it was a Bible class,
but I was a teacher in a Christian school.
I was a Bible college teacher,
and so I've seen the fruit, pun intended,
of Christian schools.
You know, the Christian school essentially removes
the responsibility from parents to teach their kids.
It's like a daycare, okay?
And Christian schools, unfortunately,
will often have a higher standard
of discipline than the church.
So like these same churches, old IFP churches,
they won't throw anybody out
for fornication or drunkenness,
but if students commit fornication or drunkenness
in their school, they'll throw 'em out.
The school, the Christian school
should not have a higher standard than the church
when it comes to that, when the Bible literally says
that was such a one know not to eat, okay?
And they'll say, well, you know,
it's better than the public school,
implying that, you know, it's better in quality.
Well, let me tell you something that's better in quality
than the Christian school, homeschool.
And you know what, some churches are really bad with this
because they'll shame people who are doing homeschooling.
If they have people in their church
that are involved in homeschooling,
they will openly shame people like that, you know,
and be like, they're gonna be weird and stuff
and dude, you guys are like modeling your school
by the public schools.
And they wonder why their kids turn out worldly and wicked
because they're bringing in all of these unsafe people
into the Christian school that don't wanna be there.
They're being forced by their parents
to be in the Christian school.
They're being saturated with the Bible
that they don't wanna listen to,
which is a recipe for reprobation.
You put someone listening to this stuff
for eight hours a day.
Oh, it's a spiritual environment,
but it's a spiritual environment
that they don't wanna be in.
This is why when people graduate,
in my experience, I've seen this,
they're like a sodomite, transvestite, they're a reprobate.
Why?
Because they've been fed the word of God
for eight hours a day, five days out of the week.
They don't agree with you.
They don't wanna hear it.
They don't want the Bible.
They don't wanna be saved.
So then what happens?
They become a reprobate.
They go apostate.
And this is common in Christian schools
and it's common in Bible college as well, okay?
But I'm not gonna belabor that point.
Look at Ephesians chapter four.
Here's another difference.
I'm almost done here.
Bible college versus training in house, okay?
I'm a graduate of Bible college, unfortunately.
And you know, I even taught in the Bible college.
And I'm gonna tell you right now,
Bible college is a scam.
It's not worth it.
I get people asking me this all the time.
Should I go to Bible college?
What do you think?
You went to Bible college, should I go?
And I always say, save your money.
Be trained under your pastor.
You'll get more out of just being in church
and being under your pastor
and doing the work in house
than going to some other state
and getting trained in the Bible college there, okay?
Now look, we have people here who went to Bible college.
I went to Bible college and you know what?
We survived.
And let me just say this.
You know, not everyone who goes to Bible college is wicked.
They're not.
I wasn't wicked.
I went to Bible college with the best of intentions
'cause I wanted to serve the Lord
and they told me that's where I needed to be.
But you know what?
I came out unscathed in spite of Bible college
because at the end of the day, my motives were to serve God.
But you know, if I could turn back the time,
I wouldn't go because at the end of the day,
they taught me a lot of false doctrine.
And you know what?
There was some good stuff at the Bible college
that I learned, things about character and such.
But we're just talking about what the Bible says about this.
What is the biblical model for training people?
It's not a Bible college.
You won't find it in the Bible.
It's training people in house.
The Bible says in Ephesians 4:11,
he gave some apostles and some prophets
and some evangelists and some pastors and teachers
for the perfecting of the saints,
for the work of the ministry,
for the edifying of the body of Christ.
And here's a major problem with Bible colleges
is that they take all the youth from churches, okay?
And they basically take all the youth from the churches.
And then what happens is that these young people
become a part of this huge Bible college institution.
They see all the bells and whistles.
They're there for four years, five sometimes.
And then when it's all over, they don't wanna leave.
So they actually end up never going back
to their home church when the original intent
for going to Bible college is to be better equipped
to serve in a local New Testament church.
Many of them don't ever go back
to the local New Testament church.
Sad, right?
And here's the thing, old-life people have,
they don't do this anymore.
I mean, I don't think they do.
But they used to criticize me and be like,
"You're sheep stealing.
"You're taking people's members."
Which, you know, they're God's sheep, first and foremost.
And then also, you know, you can't steal well-fed sheep.
Let me just be honest with it there as well.
But secondly, you know, they'll say,
"Oh, you're sheep stealing."
But every Bible college steals sheep.
You get people to go to your church, go to your Bible,
and then you just keep them.
You keep the cream of the crop
because what happens is they graduate,
and then what does the college do?
Let me offer you a job at the Bible college.
You can be a leader at the Bible college.
You can be a leader at the church,
and it's very attractive, it's nice,
they find their spouse,
and then it's just like, "See you later, old church."
I mean, that's, you know, it's not the best.
Whereas here, you get training in-house,
you get the pastor's time,
then you're sent out if you're qualified, et cetera, okay?
Last scripture here, go to Psalm 127, Psalm 127.
I'm going a little over my time,
but this is the last point here.
And that is birth control versus big families.
Old IFB is really into birth control.
And birth control is basically abortion, it is abortion.
They're not against having children,
they're just against having too many children.
But you know that's wrong and it's wicked,
and you say, "Well, you're exaggerating."
And I really like that.
I was part of a church plant where the pastor's wife
would go around to the wives of the husbands,
encouraging them to get on birth control.
What kind of wicked crap is that?
Just basically encouraging them to just have abortions.
Why? 'Cause she did it.
But you know what, I guarantee you that's not the only,
that's not an isolated incident that happens everywhere.
You know what we promote here is big families.
If the Lord blesses you with a big family, of course, right?
You know, the Bible tells us in Psalm 127, verse three,
"Low children are in heritage of the Lord,
"and the fruit of the womb is his reward,
"as arrows are in the hand of a mighty man.
"So are the children of the youth.
"Happy is the man that hath this quiver full of them.
"They shall not be ashamed,
"but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate."
So how much is a quiver full?
As many as your quiver can handle.
As many, as big as a quiver is, you know,
that God has given to you.
And you know what?
When it says happy is the man that hath this quiver full,
that's a true statement, 'cause I'm a happy man.
I got five little ones and Lord willing we'll have more?
I know I sound angry when I'm up here,
and I'm just like always mad,
but you know, gotta get mad about false doctrine.
But in general, I'm a very happy individual.
And you know what, one of the joys of my life
is going home and seeing my kids.
They're just like a joy to me.
Just love seeing my kids, I love spending time with my kids.
I love seeing my genetics in my kids
and seeing some of the things that I used to do in them
and just fellowshiping with them and talking to them.
They bring me a lot of joy.
My serotonin is just always going up
when I hold the babies and it's wonderful.
I wouldn't have it any other way.
And so the Bible says it's a blessing to have children.
Now, you say, well, I can't have children.
But here's the thing, though, is that as long as you're not
doing anything to stop having children,
if God blesses you, if he doesn't,
that's the law in life.
But we're talking about people who literally will abstain
from having children and purposely do birth control
so they don't have more kids.
And let me tell you why a lot of these old IFB churches
promote that, more money that goes into the plate.
It's plain and simple, okay?
One of the reasons new IFB churches are growing so much
is because we have something called organic growth.
Aside from the fact that we're reaching people
on the outside, people on the inside
are just having a lot of children.
And so it's just like a lot of kids are just in church.
And this is something that the new IFB preaches
and teaches on, is big families versus birth control.
And so they'll preach against abortion,
but folks, hold on a second.
There's a lot of them that are participating
in birth control, and that is abortion as well.
And so that's a major difference.
And so you say, what's the sermon?
The sermon is simply this.
I'm just trying to show you the differences between the two.
And I know that someone can hear the sermon and think,
oh, you're just bitter against the old IFB or something.
Or you're just highlighting the negative.
Obviously, I've experienced a lot of positive things
in the old IFB.
I talk about amongst my church members all the time.
They're great churches.
I don't recommend people to go to liberal churches
if they can't join a new IFB church.
I tell them to go to an old IFB church because it's just as good.
You'll get good fellowship, great leadership.
I love them, but it's not necessarily reciprocated, the same love.
But it's okay, though, because at the end of the day, in my opinion, the conclusion
of the matter is this, eventually that generation, like Judaism of old, will fade away.
It's going to fade out.
And the next generation, they're either going to go liberal, Purple Light, CCM, and the
like, or they're going to get on this program right here and be a part of a new IFB church,
which is far greater and far better.
Amen.
And so thank God for new IFB churches.
Amen.
Let's pray.
Father, we thank you so much for your word, and thank you for the new IFB churches, and
we're thankful for the movement that emphasizes these things.
And of course, we're thankful for our spiritual ancestors, and we pray, Lord, that they would
prosper and succeed in their ministries, that they would get back to the first works, Lord,
if they haven't, and that would preach harder and have more Bible content.
I pray that churches like ours would be a challenge unto them to tighten up the screws
and strengthen the things which remain.
And Lord, obviously, we desire to fellowship with them, but if that's not the case, it's
okay.
We have enough churches that are like-minded that we can fellowship with.
And I just pray that you would bless those churches to adhere to the word of God and
reject dispensationalism and all the heresy that has infiltrated those congregations and
the like, Lord, then help them to be zealous for the things of God once again.
The zeal that they imparted unto us, may they once again reignite in their own hearts.
We love you.
We thank you.
We pray this in Jesus' name.