Now last week we covered basically the first half of Genesis chapter 9 and instead of covering
it all in one sermon there's this really famous story here at the end of Genesis 9 I just
want to spend a whole sermon on and it's a question that comes up of you know what did
Noah's son do on to him because you have the story of Noah getting drunk and then it says
that he wakes up he knows what happened and he said you know cursed be Canaan there's
a lot of different opinions about this there's a lot of questions so let's get a couple verses
and I'm going to show you some different theories on this topic and then I'll kind of go through
each of the different ones it says in Genesis 9 verse 18 and the sons of Noah that went
forth in the ark were Shem and Ham and Japheth and Ham is the father of Canaan and so he
mentions three sons here because if you remember in the ark you had Noah and his wife and then
you have three sons Shem Ham and Japheth and then you have those their wives so you've got
eight people on the ark and then it says here in verse 18 and Ham is the father of Canaan the reason
why is because Canaan is going to be very significant in this story so it specifically
mentions him that does not mean that this is the only child or the only grandchild of Noah it's
just the one that's actually perfect sometimes in the Bible it doesn't mention every single person
that that's a son or a daughter or a grandson or whatever just a significant people and Canaan is
very significant in this story these are the three sons of Noah and of them was the whole
earth overspread so this kind of goes back to that idea that the flood was definitely global
because the earth is overspread from Noah and his sons so it's very clear everybody else has been
wiped out and God is starting over then it says in verse 20 and Noah began to be the husband then
and he planted a vendor now one thing we need to realize before we get to verse 20 is Noah was 600
years old when he gets on the ark okay 600 years old well he lives to be over 900 years just
because we're here in verse 20 does not mean that this is like the next year okay we're going to see
that significant time must have gone by because we see the character pain which I believe is
definitely alive at the time that this is taking place and obviously sometime had to have gone by
so I don't think they know it just got off the ark and then immediately he's getting drunk because
obviously it's going to take time to plan a vineyard and to make wine and some time has to
have gone by he would they obviously lived a lot longer than we do today so it could have been a
hundred years to get 200 years I don't know exactly but a significant amount of time is
probably gone by and it says he planted a vendor and obviously there's nothing wrong with planning
a vineyard nothing wrong with grapes except the cost rightly grapes taste awesome it's just very
expensive but then in verse 21 and he drank of the wine and was drunken and he was uncovered
within his tent now the word wine in the Bible is not always alcoholic but it's very clear from
the context here this is alcoholic and so Noah drank of the wine and he's drunken and he is
uncovered within his tent when it's saying he's uncovered and saying that basically you know his
clothes are gone he's showing off his nakedness okay now it doesn't exactly tell us why he's
naked but you know whether someone did that or he did that himself I've known this sort of story in
college where people get drunk and then all manner of different wickedness happens now we're gonna
look at this story because we see here in these first couple verses it's obvious that Noah drank
alcoholic wine and I think from the context it's obvious that Noah made a free will choice to end
up doing that now why we did that I'm not sure one thing to keep in mind is that they live so
long during these time periods 900 years that you know it makes them more likely committed a major
sin or major mistake in their life and unfortunately this is highlighting what I believe is a major sin
of Noah where he's getting drunk and obviously one thing you can take away from this whole sermon
regardless of what your opinion of the story is don't drink alcohol right you do not know what's
going to happen when you drink alcohol and we see that in this story now this story we're about to
read it's a very popular story there's a lot of different opinions and I'll be 100% honest right
off the bat I am not 100% for sure what happens I am not 100% dogmatic I'll give you all the major
theories and what I would say might be holes and these are the theories and give you kind of my
opinions so this is going to be kind of a different sermon because usually if I'm not
sure about something in the Bible I kind of just skip over it and just highlight the stuff that I
am sure about but it's such a famous story I want to show you all the different opinions and all the
verses and what the arguments would be and this is one of those sermons where you're saved you've
got the Spirit of God inside of you the same spirit I have you can read the Bible and come
to your conclusion and it could be something that people have different opinions on because
godly people interpret especially stories that are not 100% clear sometimes people
interpret them differently and that's okay so here are the four theories we're going to look
at today and in my opinion two and maybe three are possible so I don't think all of these are
possible but we're gonna go through four theories because what seems to be a confusing thing is no
one knows what his younger son did on to him but then he curses Canaan and you're like wait a minute
if Shem, Ham or Japheth did something to him why is he cursing Canaan and it's something people have
had trouble reconciling and so one of the theories and this is the one that I do not think at all is
possible but I'll tell you how they try to reconcile this is they say well Noah got drunk
and Ham the son of Noah did not molest Noah but he molested Noah's wife or his mom, Ham's mom and
then she got pregnant and the child was Cain and so that's how they try to reconcile well
Ham did this action you know what his younger son did on to him and the result of that is
Canaan ends up being born and so they say well that's why the curse is upon Canaan as I said
we'll look at the verses in their argument I don't agree with that I'm just kind of giving
the theories right up front another one is that Noah got drunk and Ham molested Noah another one
is that Noah got drunk and Canaan molested Noah not him another one is that there was no rape or
molestation but kind of something you know something bad happened but the Bible's not
really clear about it but Noah wasn't actually molested okay so we're going to go through
these theories but before we get into that I want to go to Habakkuk chapter 2 Habakkuk 2
Habakkuk 2 because I said as I said I'm not a hundred percent for sure what happened and
I'm not a hundred percent dogmatic molestation did take place but I don't want to ever be accused of
going light on the homos so let me just be very clear that it is definitely true according to
the Bible that almost will sometimes get people drunk to take advantage of that and so I'm that
is definitely possible I'm not for sure that that's what's taking place in Genesis 9 but I
want to show you that that is definitely a possibility Habakkuk 2 verse 15 Habakkuk 2
verse 15 in your mind of prophets and it says in Habakkuk 2 verse 15 woe unto him now the Bible
uses the pronoun him it's referring to a man obviously woe unto him that giveth his neighbor
drink so this is a guy giving another guy a drink tell this kool-aid bottle of coca-cola right no
no that's not what took place it's referring to alcohol that put us thy bottle to him so woe unto
him that giveth his neighbor drink that put us thy bottle to him and make us him drunk and also
so here's a guy who's getting another guy drunk well what would be the purpose of that now I will
say this that in college people think this is a cool thing where people just get drunk and it's
considered a cool thing to get other people drunk but one major danger about that is sometimes
you're gonna have people like this that would get someone drunk you say why that thou mayest look on
their nakedness now this is a euphemism in the Bible where it says look on their nakedness to
refer not just seeing with your eyes but actually doing something and if I was saying there's a guy
that would get another guy drunk you say what's the purpose to look on their nakedness okay now
I want you to notice though pronouns are important it does not say that thou mayest look on his
nakedness does it says that thou mayest look on their nakedness you notice that one for masculine
masculine masculine to gender neutral you say why exactly is that well you know one way to
understand this is if you know and I've obviously done studying on psychopaths and serial killers
and stuff like that what you'll often see is when a serial killer will go to home they'll basically
tie up the husband and they can do anything to the entire family and so I think what I was showing
you is sometimes there'd be a bad person that would get people drunk he might choose to take
advantage of the husband he got drunk but if the husband's basically incapacitated or tied up or
drunk he can do whatever to the wife he can do whatever the kids but as the Bible says you first
find a strong man if you come into a house because the husband's gonna be able to defend the family
and so sometimes these kinds of because one thing we understand is this that when it comes to homos
they're not really almost because they're bisexual that's what the Bible teaches and what the Bible
says is there would be people that would get a guy drunk to look on their nakedness and one thing
about references is that when you're married your first your wife is your nakedness also okay so the
Bible is showing you that there would be guys that are reprobates that would get somebody
drunk so they can take advantage of other people now unfortunately I've heard of stories of this
in college of this sort of thing happening where a guy gets another guy drunk at a party I think
I've said in the sermon before I have a friend who has a friend and you know what he had a friend
who got drunk at a party and then all of a sudden there was this guy who went to the party and he
said oh man I drink too much alcohol can I just sleep on the couch tonight and apparently this
is something this guy did all the time and then that guy who said he was too drunk to drive home
then tried to rape the guy of that house that was there but unfortunately for him that guy was not
too drunk to not be able to defend himself and he beat that homo to the point of almost death
so some stories have a happy ending even if they have a bad start right but that's exactly what
this is talking about this takes place in real life and you know you hear stories about various
things that happen and then sometimes homos are you know taking advantage of women as well when
people are getting drunk and stuff like that this sort of thing actually takes place but it says
that there would be a reprobate that would give people drunk to end up taking advantage of the
entire household perhaps the guy perhaps the wife perhaps the kids obviously they don't have any
morals so it doesn't matter for them so the bottom line is this it is definitely true it's definitely
true that reprobates will use alcohol or drugs or something like that as a means to take advantage
of other people i mean there's these cases with you know celebrities and this sort of stuff
happens all the time go to Leviticus 20 let me just show you real quickly Leviticus chapter 20
that the bible does teach that if you're married that your wife is considered you know part of your
nakedness it's a terminology the bible gives and the idea is that well when you're married you
belong to your spouse and nobody else should be seeing your wife nobody else should be seeing the
husband just the two of you and so basically you share that together is what the bible is showing
leviticus 20 verse 11 and the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's
nakedness so it's referring to a guy who would sleep with his father's wife well this is obviously
now referring to his mom because it would just say his mom i believe it's kind of like unfortunately
in the church of corn right that one should have his father's wife right the same sort of thing
and it says have him covered his father's nakedness and why does it say his father's
nakedness well because you know if that is his wife then his wife belongs to him not to some
other guy and so some other guy would basically you know be intimate with her that's referred to
his father's nakedness and what does the bible say both of them shall surely be put to death
their blood shall be upon them this is obviously a major sin and so what we saw from the book of
hibaka is somebody that would use alcohol a reprobate that would use alcohol as a means to
physically take advantage of other people and this obviously is mentioned in the bible for a reason
because it actually happens i knew somebody in college somebody had gone to high school with
and you know i've heard this story from other people i've gone to high school with but someone
i had been friends with in high school he'd gone to a party in college he got drunk and then all
of a sudden he woke up the next day and there was a guy in bed with him and he didn't remember any
of it and it's like well you know what when you get drunk this sort of stuff happens i mean
alcohol will deceive you it'll mess up your mind you know you're going to lose your sense of
judgment and stuff like that you don't really know what's even going on it's a very very dangerous
thing now turn back to genesis chapter nine genesis nine genesis nine
now let me just quickly read through the verses in this story and then we're going to get into
those theories all four of them are going to look what the bible says and at the end i'll kind of
give you what my opinion is but it says in genesis 9 verse 22 and ham the father of canan saw the
nakedness of his father and told his two brethren without and shiv and jacob through the garment
and laid it upon both their shoulders and went backward and covered the nakedness of their father
and their faces were backward and they saw not their father's nakedness and noah went from his
wife and knew what his younger son had done so noah immediately wakes up and he immediately knows
what his younger son had done and he said cursed be canan a servant of servants shall
you be under his brother and he said blessed be the lord god of shim and canan shall be a servant
god shall enlarge jpeth and he shall dwell in the tents of shim and canan shall be a servant
so you've got a story and there's really only a there's only a small handful of verses on this
topic it's not super clear what takes place which is why there can be different opinions on it
but basically noah gets drunk and says he knew what his younger son had done down on
him wakes up and he says cursed became so the question is what exactly took place okay
wasn't mentioned earlier theory number one which is not a theory i agree with we're going to go
through it theory number one is this the way he reconciled what his younger son had done on him
and the curse being on canan is this that noah got drunk and then ham molested his father's nakedness
referring to his wife not referring to him because we did see that that is possible i
don't agree with this theory but i'm being fair with it the bible doesn't refer to the fact
if you see somebody naked it could be referring to his wife that's a terminology in the bible
okay so it says when it when it when it refers to seeing his father they say well that's referring
to actually he got him his dad drunk so he could take advantage of his mom okay and they say well
you know she ends up getting pregnant the child is canan and so let me just tell you what i
believe would be the problems with this well when noah wakes up he immediately curses canan
look if if this is saying that noah got drunk and then ham molested noah's wife how would he know
that his wife was pregnant and how would he know the name of the child that's a pretty major hole
in the theory and i've heard this theory preached in the sermon before but that's a pretty major
hole in you know how does noah know the name and how does he even know that his wife is pregnant
with ham's child to me that's just like two plus three equals five that theory is gone right unless
noah names his child i mean it doesn't make sense but the only way you can reconcile that
is if god basically talked to noah and told him what happened because otherwise how would noah
have any idea he'd have no idea that his wife was pregnant either so to me that's not really
a possible theory and you know when it talks about noah being uncovered all indications are
that noah is the one that is naked there's no real indication that this is right i understand
the bible does use a terminology where it can refer to the wife but here it talks about noah
being uncovered it seems pretty clear it's just referring to noah nothing to do with his wife
there's nothing in the story about his wife so to me that one's a little bit far-fetched
another theory is this that noah gets drunk and ham molests noah ham molests no that's a common
theory genesis 9 verse 22 and it says in ham the father of canan saw the nakedness of his father
and so people oftentimes look at this phrase saw the nakedness of his father and they say we'll see
ham did something to his father saw the nakedness of his father which is oftentimes the euphemism
to actually physically molest and then it says and told us to brethren without now let me say this
though because saw or look can be a euphemism for more things taking place but it can also
just refer to actually seeing it doesn't it can also just mean that you saw with your eyes it
doesn't actually mean that anything physically happened and here's the thing i don't think this
phrase saw the nakedness nakedness of his father is referring to molestation you say why because
of this it says he told his two brethren without if that's referring to him molesting noah then he
told his brothers i just molested dad now it says without it's referring to kind of privately kind
of like without the city kind of away from people so basically he talks to shim and jacob
if this is saying that you know he molested his dad then he's like guess what i just did to dad
right to me that that doesn't make any sense now i'm not saying that it isn't possible for him to
be molested i'm just saying that phrase in and of itself i'll show you here not just from that but
in the next verse it's referring to he saw his father naked okay because otherwise he told his
brethren this is what i did to dad which that is very far-fetched i think but then notice what
it says here in the next verse and shim and japheth took a garment and laid it upon both
their shoulders and went backward and covered the nakedness of their father and their faces
were backward and they saw not their father's nakedness see another problem i have with saying
saw the nakedness of his father is referring to an actual molestation is because the bible
is simple to understand and if in verse 22 is saying him saw the nakedness of his father
and the next verse his brothers their faces were backward because they're embarrassed right they
don't want to see their dad naked obviously their faces were backward and they saw not their father's
nakedness it's obvious it's saying that shim and japheth did not see with their eyes well to me it
would be very strange for that word and phrase to completely change meanings in back-to-back verses
it can be a euphemism for more taking place but in verses 22 and 23 you know to me it's like well
he would have had to tell his brother without this is what i did to dad and then the next verse it
completely would change me that would make this story very very confusing i don't believe god's
trying to confuse us it's not the simplest story to understand because there's only a couple verses
and it says that no one knew what his younger son had done on him the bible doesn't necessarily
make it super clear what is the understanding done i'm doing so people can have different
opinions but it's just that the word saw would be completely changing meanings in back-to-back
verses if in verse 22 it's referring to a molestation it is true because we saw earlier
in tobacco too that to look upon your nakedness can be a euphemism for more than that it can also
just mean that you're looking with your eyes okay it's usable context so i'm not saying a molestation
didn't take place i'm just saying i don't think that that's what that phrase is referring to when
it says saw his father's nakedness i think it's saying that he saw with his eyes okay verse 24
and noah awoke from his wine and knew what his younger son had done and he said person became
in a servant of servants shall he be under his brother now this is the part that people had a
lot of trouble reconciling because it says he knew what his younger son had done unto him
and people like he knew what he had done unto him and then he curses canan and it's like why
would the curse come upon canan well in my opinion the younger son is referring to canan
not to him and i think it's it perfectly reconciles that way you say why would it be referring to
canan because we would refer to this if my son's death has a child one day that child would be my
grandson but in the bible it refers to your lineage as your sons and your daughters even
if it's your grandson or your great-grandson throughout the bible so just because it says
younger son does not mean it's him him or take that now i would actually say it would be the
youngest son that he had and canan's alive at that time so i would say it's referring to canan
and then it makes perfect sense why he curses canan because like he knew what his younger son
had done unto him person became it doesn't make sense it's referring to caning because younger
son is not necessarily referring to just how son or daughter we use it in today's world it's
grandchildren it's great-grandchildren okay it's not just your direct three sons and so can is a
key person here and i'll explain you here during the sermon where i think can fits in here but
i believe the person would actually think something is caning which would explain why
the curse is upon canan and not upon him that's the way i read it that's what makes sense to me
i think it reconciles this way this is why i said i'm not i think this might be a possible
theory of him doing something to his dad but to me it's relatively clear that canan is the person
because that's who the curse is on and i believe that would be the younger son because he's the
youngest of the offspring that's alive at this point there's actually never a verse in the bible
that would tell you that ham is younger than shim or jacob because the order of those three has
changed throughout the bible people always assume ham is the youngest because of this story and he
might be the youngest because the bible doesn't really tell us because it changes the order so
it's kind of hard to tell sometimes you might order your children based on preeminence for
example if someone could be the godliest it might mention them first but it could be by age it could
be different things but i believe when it says he knew what his younger son had done to him and
he said curse and be canan it seemed like that's referring to the same person which would explain
the curse being upon canan otherwise why would canan be the one of ham's sons that got cursed
rather than the other sons because it's very specific with canan and noah wakes up and he
immediately just curses canan why would you immediately curse canan if ham has other children
as well right so it makes sense that can is the one who actually did something to him
okay now look at genesis 9 verse 24 actually hold on one second
so keep in mind that when they got off the ark there was eight people right there was no one
his wife three sons and their wives well can is alive this time we're seeing this here in verses
24 25 says person became obviously a lot of time has gone by as i mentioned earlier in these 350
years now there's also a question about him if ham because because 90 percent of the time people
think ham is the one that did something if ham is not the one who did something the question is well
what about ham how does he fit into the story we'll go back to genesis 9 verse 1 genesis 9
verse 1 genesis 9 verse 1
and god blessed noah and his sons so in genesis 9 verse 1 it says god blessed no one his sons not
just noah but all of his sons okay and this is right off the ark that we're looking at
so that's sham and ham and jacob we're looking at now the bible does say god caused it to rain upon
the just and the unjust so god can bless an unsaved person i i would have trouble believing
though that he would be blessing a reprobate though okay i'm not saying it's not possible
and obviously it's possible for later on for someone to become a reprobate if they're unsafe
but i'm not really sure about him it doesn't really say a whole lot about him as a character
he obviously was a terrible father what he actually believed honestly i'm not really
sure i don't think i was real clear about that he's obviously he was terrible as a father because
you see what happened with canan and his whole lineage is messed up whether ham himself was a
bad apple or not i'm not really sure but i did look up blessed many times in the bible and
generally when god was blessing someone it's someone who's saved he can bless an unsafe person
so i'm not really dogmatic on ham personally where ham is today right i'm dogmatic on canan
with ham i'm not really sure i do think it would be odd to say god blessed ham and then ham's like
this vice pongy person right but anyways so those are the first two theories
theory one is that ham molested his mom okay i think that one that one i think is out there
and look if you believe that one that's fine i'm not i'm not against you if that's your theory i
mean because i'm not a hundred percent dogmatic i think that one's the most out there a common one
is that ham molested his father many people believe that it's probably the most common one
another one would be that canan molested his father and as i said i believe can is the one
who did something so this is the one that i do believe is possible but notice what it says
going back to genesis nine verse 24 genesis nine
and noah awoke from his wine and knew what his younger son had done so as i said i believe this
is referring to canyon as we're going to see in the next verse well you might ask the question
then why is it mentioning ham before this well when i'm picturing this story noah is uncovered
within his tent wearing no clothes and then ham is apparently walking by or whatever and he sees
his dad's naked his dad is naked then he goes and he tells his brother now what ham should have done
if he comes to the scene and his dad is naked is he should have covered him up and covered the
transgression not embarrassing right but ham basically shows up to the scene and whether or
not he already knew this was happening ahead of time i'm not really sure but he just kind of
shows up to the scene and just tells his brothers hey you know what that's me now the question would
be like why wouldn't ham just be very clear with what's taking place well i personally believe he's
probably covering for his son king i don't know if he knows exactly for sure what took place but
it seems to me that ham comes on the scene and he's smart enough to realize what that
cain was involved baby cain was drinking with noah earlier i'm not really sure and he basically
comes to the scene and he basically tries to make his dad look bad by telling his brothers rather
than just you know covering his his dad up and everything or whatever so nobody's aware of it
but it seems to me it's just like a father covered for his son that seems to be what's taking place
to me where basically ham is in the scene because it says ham saw the nakedness of his father seems
like he's kind of walking around sees his dad naked tells his brothers and you know what they
cover their faces because they don't want to see it and then you know they basically cover it up
with a blanket or whatever you know it doesn't necessarily say 100 and so that is another theory
now another theory would be this that there is no molestation or rape that's occurring but just
the bible is not real clear on it as i said the last theory i do think is possible i think it's
possible that that's what took place that cain might have blessed his dad i don't think the
bible is real clear in that story but i would say that there seemed to be a kind of a couple holes
to that theory now as i said earlier i definitely think it's possible for bad people to use alcohol
as a means to get people drunk so i'm not trying to take a light stance on homos just not 100 clear
on this story i would say this though if you're trying to convince somebody of the homos the best
stories to show are two very clear stories of genesis 19 and judges 19 whether this is about
homos or not the most clear stories are genesis 19 and judges 19 those are crystal clear stories
in fact turn to genesis 19 genesis 19 genesis 19
you say brother second well what would be a possible hole with the idea of uh noah being
molested by you know pain in her hand why would that seem to have a hole in it as i said i do
believe that's possible there's just kind of a couple things typically that seem to be kind of
holes in that that i'm not really sure how to reconcile one of the problems is this though when
noah woke up he knew what happened when noah woke up he knew what happened he said why would that
be a hole in the theory well we're just cross referencing and here to genesis 19 verse 32
genesis 19 verse 32 this is the story of lot genesis 19 verse 32 come let us make our father
drink wine and we will lie with him that we may preserve seed of our father and he made their
father drink wine that night and the firstborn went in and lay with her father and he perceived
not when she laid down or when she arose he has no idea what's taking place right she gets him
drunk to the point where he would have no idea what's going on he literally has no idea what's
taking place then it says in verse 34 and it came to pass on the morrow that the firstborn said
unto the younger behold i lay yesterday night with my father let us make him drink wine this
night also and go thou in and lie with him that we may preserve seed of our father and they made
their father drink wine that night also and the younger arose and lay with him and he perceived
not when she laid down or when she arose so once again when he gets drunk he doesn't know what is
taking place and here's the thing that's pretty common when people drink alcohol they wake up
and they have no idea what's taking place this is usually what takes place people have no idea
what takes place there's so many stories of women being pregnant they had no idea they even stuck
with anyone and they have no idea who could the father be because they got drunk at a party
they have literally no idea this takes place all the time in the world when people drink alcohol
they get drunk and they have no idea what's taking place i got saved in college i mentioned
a couple stories you know there are stories you always hear in college of these things taking
place where people have no idea what takes place stories i know of people waking up in the same bed
they don't even know what happened they're like who is this guy they have no idea right this
happens all the time where women are like you know and this this is something men will also
do women don't give women drugs they can take advantage of them don't give women drugs right
i mean there's a famous case in the us you know bill cosby who knows bill cosby not not famous
here he's like the most famous comedian in the us and he had drug like 50 women and everything you
know he's had that big trial he was arrested he had done this guy 50 women just give them a drug
and then taking them advantage taking advantage of them and you know it's it's something that men
often do women the bible says men would do that to men you know obviously it could be the opposite
women can do that to women or women can do that to men this sort of stuff takes place but what
i'm saying is this that when we cross reference here in genesis 19 of a similar sort of thing
law has no idea what's happening he wakes up and then all of a sudden it says in verse 36
thus were both the daughters of law with child by their father but that had to be a bad day for
a lot you know months down the road when he found out you know that he was the father
of his daughter's children he had no idea he had no idea that had taken place
now go to genesis 19 actually go to proverbs 23 proverbs 23 proverbs chapter 23 let me show you a
verse anyway this is a good passage so we're just going to read the whole passage because we're
preaching against alcohol anyway and it says in proverbs 23 verse 29 proverbs 23 verse 29
it's probably the best passage against alcohol in the bible proverbs 23 verse 29
who hath woe who hath sorrow who hath contentions who have babbling who have wounds without cause
who have redness of eyes refers to someone who would be miserable depressed contentions are
fighting babbling meaning they're talking and not making any sense right this happens when people
get drunk wounds without cause people get drunk and they get in fights right people get drunk
they wake up they've got bruises on their face and everything like that who have redness of eyes
i mean when you when people drink or do drugs you look at their eyes and their blood shot red
that's often a good sign that maybe they're doing drugs or alcohol it's not a guarantee but it's
often the case and it says they did tarry long at the wine they did go to see mixed wine look not
down upon the wine when it is red when he gave it this color in the cup when it moved itself right
at the last it biteth like a serpent and stingeth like an adder and so it says about alcohol it
bites like a serpent it's basically like this poisonous creature and stingeth like an adder
thine eyes shall behold strange women basically saying that you know people would commit adultery
you know when they get drunk you know i've heard stories of people that just commit adultery when
they get drunk and they've never done that before or ruin their marriage this takes place with
alcohol and it says thine eyes shall behold strange women and thine heart shall utter perverse things
well obviously the Bible says that of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh and so you know
what people when they get drunk they say things that they obviously believe on the inside but
they don't want people to know it right people get drunk and then they say these things and
they destroy their lives and they don't even remember doing it they have no idea what they
said when they were drunk they wake up and then it turns out they said the most vicious and evil
things while they were drunk and it says yea thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the
sea or as he that lieth upon the top of a mask they have stricken me shalt thou say and i was not sick
they have beaten me and i've felt it not when shall i awake i will see yet again and you know
the indication here they have beaten me and i've felt it not and when it talks about people waking
up and it says contentions wounds without cause this is very common with alcohol people drink
alcohol and they wake up and it's like man how did i get this black eye they have no idea they've
been in the fights this happens all the time with alcohol people get drunk they get in fights and
they don't remember taking place but they were fighting all right i've seen people drunk fighting
before at college and it's like people are really getting messed up and the reality is many of those
people probably woke up and it's just like oh man why do i have all this blood on me like what
happened and people don't even know this has happened in murder trials where someone got drunk
and they don't even know how to defend themselves because you know someone got shot or knife got
pulled out and they don't even know what took place people lose all sense of judgment when
they're drunk and it says i felt it not indicate they don't even feel the pain which is obviously
a bad thing if you have pain you need to know it to protect your body right there's a natural thing
given by god but the idea is that they wake up and they're just like what happens they were able to
fight but they wake up and don't remember it happening what am i saying well it's the opposite
if you know about molested because he didn't defend himself but he knew exactly what happened
that's not really what you see with proper 23 about alcohol it's the opposite when people are
really drunk they're still able to fight but when they wake up they don't remember what happens
it's not that you can't fight and then you wake up and you know exactly what happened that's not
what takes place with alcohol what takes place with alcohol is you wake up and you're like man
what happened last night was i dreaming and then you know basically other people will say oh this
is what took place i had a friend of mine in college and this is why he quit drinking
alcohol he got drunk as a freshman and then he woke up and wearing no clothes
now i don't think he had any idea what took place he just woke up naked in somebody's
bathtub and he's just like he had no idea what happened but then the other people at the party
told him hey this is what took place never drink alcohol again after that i remember suggesting
to him at that time i was like hey you know what and i wasn't at the party because i didn't want
to go to a party where people were getting drunk but i remember telling him i was like you know
what you need to just never drink alcohol again and last i heard you know he hadn't drank ever
since then because people were taking pictures and it was a big embarrassment to him but he had
no idea what happened right and this is what takes place where people wake up and they do not know
what happened but yet noah wakes up and he knows exactly what happened right i mean he has complete
clarity which is what makes this very strange right it makes it hard to reconcile the story
because when noah wakes up he knows exactly what happened and so there's a couple ways to look at
this how would noah have known everything go back to genesis 19 genesis 19 genesis 19
it's possible that when noah woke up and he was not wearing clothes he didn't remember what took
place but he realized this is what must have taken place like he basically didn't realize
because he was obviously not able to fight or defend himself but he woke up and he knew this
is what must have taken place because he probably knew canan was a bad guy or didn't trust him or
whatever when he woke up without clothes on you know he's thinking well this must be what happened
that's the possibility okay no one knows exactly what took place it could be that canan was
drinking with noah maybe noah was drinking with canan and then noah wakes up not wearing any
clothes and those are the only two people that he knows well you know what it must be that canan
did something to me off whether that means can you molested him or whether or not canan just
took off his clothes and embarrassed him like you know people have done to my friend in college
it's just like i'm not really sure because i don't think it's incredibly clear but it's just like you
know he knows that canan did something he knows that canan was obviously the bad guy
now for him to know that you know it could be that he was just smart enough to realize he put
the pieces together even though he didn't remember because there's no way he would have remembered
this if he had gotten molested he would not remember that because this is not what takes
place without home you wake up and you do not remember but he could have seen that he's not
wearing clothes and realized canan had done something whether that means canan molested him
or whether that means just canan embarrassed him and made him like you know a joke and then
to just tell everybody or whatever one of those things but it says he knew what canan had done
that would kind of indicate to me that he had to have some sort of knowledge before he got
drunk i would that he was around canan or that he knew canan was the guy that he wouldn't be able
to trust or whatever i'm not really sure you know maybe noah was drinking alone but it's very
possible there's probably a lot of people alive at this time maybe noah's not the only one who's
drinking i'm not really sure but that would be one problem with the theory of him getting molested
or one thing that's hard to reconcile is the idea like well how is he aware of what took place
because that's just not what takes place without home you wake up and you have no idea the other
question you have to ask yourself is would god allow that to happen to noah i mean because this
is a pretty vile thing to take place you know being molested by another guy it's pretty much
the worst possible thing you can think of and you know i'm also going to cross reference here
in genesis 19 genesis 19 verse 8 genesis 19 verse 8 sorry i should have had to go to genesis 19
genesis 19 so we saw in genesis 19 where when law got taken advantage of by his daughters he didn't
remember what took place well another thing with this notice what it says in genesis 19 verse 8
behold now i have two daughters which have not known man let me i pray you bring them out on you
and do you to them as good in your eyes only under these men do nothing for therefore came
therefore came they under the shadow of my roof and they said stand back and they said again this
one fellow came into sujorn and he will need to be a judge now will we deal worse with me than with
them and they pressed sword upon the man even lot and came here to break the door but the men put
forth their hand and pulled a lot into the house to them and shut to the door and they smote them
in that right the door of the house of blindness both small and grace that they wearied themselves
to find the door and what takes place in this story is obviously the angels come to town and
then all of a sudden the sodomites that are living in the city they find out about it they immediately
are trying to molest you know these two men these two men and then lost life no no here are my
daughters now this is bizarre right like a lot here in genesis 19 is like what in the world is
wrong with this guy right i mean i'm glad law was the same person but it's just like man you
your life really got messed up when you went to sodomy right and so love basically offers his
daughters and what they say to him in verse nine is now will we deal worse with me than with them
now what they're planning to do to the two angels is break them right that would be the indication
force these two because they think they're two men they're going to force these two men
and then they say they're going to do worse it's a lot which would indicate they'll probably do
the same to maybe kill them i'm not really sure but my point is this law kind of deserved to have
anything happen to him because he offered his daughters and then they're going to basically
harm a lot and god still protects a lot even though love was a pretty rotten scoundrel
right i mean he was the same person but it's not like law was a godly person
and what he did was a million times worse than noah and god still protected law from that
situation now i'm not going to say that it is impossible for a saved person to end up being
you know defiled or whatever because we do have the story of anon you know the anon had a prince
with jonada with tamar i believe tamar was saved and he basically forces his half-sister tamar
so i'm not saying it's impossible for that to take place as someone i will say kind of another
level than that taking place though is a guy doing that to another guy or a girl or another
girl is far more vile than what anon did even though obviously both are very wicked but it's
just that you know god protects a lot i don't know i just tend to believe that god will protect a lot
who deserved it then god will be more long-suffering with noah being in that situation
obviously it's a sin to get drunk and you know what it's definitely possible for anything to
happen to you when you get drunk people get drunk they get killed they get you know harmed physically
assaulted or sexually assaulted by other people that definitely takes place i just kind of tend
to believe that god would be merciful to know as saying that he was a godly person even though
he obviously committed a terrible sin you know by getting drunk how often noah got drunk i don't
really know i don't know if this is like a one-time thing or whatever but just kind of the
holes i would say to say noah getting molested would be the fact that he knows exactly what took
place and i just kind of tend to believe god would be more long suffering but here's the thing i do
think it's possible the story is not real clear and it would seem like something very terrible
happens right i mean obviously when he says curse it became into something pretty extreme so it is
possible that that did take place i'm not saying it's impossible and look most people i know do
think that noah got molested i'm not against them for believing that because it's possible i'm not
really sure i just don't think it's two plus three equals five i never thought this story was super
clear i just feel like the bible intentionally left out a lot of details something maybe we're
not meant to know but genesis 19 and judges 19 are very clear but back in 215 that we looked at
that's very clear progress 23 is very clear about the dangers of alcohol so definitely you can take
away whatever your opinion is in the sermon in any way that yeah alcohol is dangerous it's a poison
it will destroy you who knows what can happen to you and obviously we know what the holes and the
reformation are like and what they would do go to genesis nine we'll close up i'm just not 100
for sure in this story what exactly took place
genesis nine verse 28 genesis nine verse 28
i mean i think of stories in the bible you know moses not entering the promised land and that one
always whenever i created a big man i mean moses was so good he deserved to go obviously not
because god didn't let him go in but i always read that and i feel sad for moses but you know this is
like to a whole nother extreme if god like allowed this to happen to know that's like a million times
worse than moses not entering the promised land but you know i'm not sure you know i'm not i'm
not saying it's impossible i'm not saying a believer will will always be protected no matter
what because obviously i preached that you know what if you're right with god you're under the
protection of god if you're not right with god you don't know what's going to happen
right and if no one's getting drunk you know you don't know what's going to take place i mean
maybe log was just god was merciful to a lot you know maybe i was just lucky because he knew
abraham and maybe god would just you know abraham loved god so much that god was answering his
prayer requests and abraham that's why a lot was fair i'm not really sure but obviously if you're
not right with god you know you don't know right it's not that god would cause this to take place
but he might allow terrible things to happen in your life right notice what it says dentists 9
verse 20 and we'll close up here and noah lived after the flood 350 years and all the days of
noah were 950 years and he died so we have noah here and so he got off the ark you know he's
basically 600 years old we got 350 years left in his life when this event took place it's pretty
much impossible to tell there's really no indication of when it took place whether it
was toward the end of his life i mean it doesn't even mention about you know noah's wife and stuff
like that we really don't have any idea whether his wife was still around or how many years have
gone by i'm sure canan is not the only child that's around now i'm sure that's not because
here's the thing if i'm correct that he knew what his younger son had done he was referring to canan
then here's the thing canan's not a three-year-old or four-year-old or five-year-old
he's at least a teenager at the very least right and probably 18 plus 20 22 well if that much time
has gone by then wouldn't it make sense that shim and jacob probably have kids too there's probably
a lot of people that are in the world now it's probably gone from eight very quickly to a much
higher number we're not really sure but it's somewhere between 600 and 950 years not really
anyways dear heavenly father thank you for allowing us to be here today
and getting to see your work and stopping i was just today