Another argument is in Isaiah 25 where it says wine on the lees and this is the
most complicated one so I'll spend some time explaining and this is a verse that
if you don't understand the process of making wine it's gonna go straight over
your head and look I didn't understand the process until a few weeks ago as I
started researching for this sermon but notice what it says in Isaiah 25 verse 5
thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers as the heat in a dry place
even the heat with a shadow of a cloud the branch of the terrible one shall be
brought low and in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make on all people a
feast of fat things a feast of wines and the lees of fat things full of marrow of
wines and the lees well refined and so one of the big arguments people say is
well what about the wines on the lees and your first reaction is I don't know
what that's talking about right wines on the lees well we're fine what is that
referring to okay well when you're making wine okay when you're when you're
fermenting alcohol what's going to take place is there is going to be some
material that forms that's called lees which is a dead material which is
basically useless you do not want to put the dead material into this okay you
don't want something sitting at the bottom of this container where people
are like what is that right imagine when you cook isn't it true when you cook
sometimes a material will form which is not part of the food but it's just kind
of a leftover useless material that's there same thing when you're fermenting
alcohol when this is taking place there will be lees that form which is dead
yeast from what I understand okay and that is something that they will get rid
of before they will sell you wine because nobody's going to drink this if
there's something at the bottom of the container like man what is that right
and so that is what lees are okay now you say brother sucky actually let me
read you this lees this is a definition of lees lees are deposits of dead yeast
or residual yeast and other particles that precipitate or are carried by the
action of fining to the bottom of a vat of wine after fermentation and aging the
same while brewing beer at a brewery is known as Trub the same from secondary
fermentation of wine and beer are the leaves or equally as to beer only dregs
this material is the source for most commercial tartaric acid which is used
in cooking and in organic chemistry so what it's saying here is that when
you're fermenting alcohol these leaves are going to form and this is a dead
material which is not something you want in the final product of the wine and
instead by the action of fining okay notice the end of verse six where it
says of wines on the lees well refined okay there is a process to remove the
dead leaves to remove this material from the wine there's things called fining
agents I don't understand how this works but somehow an egg is used to remove the
dead material I don't really understand this there's a lot of different materials
they use which will remove that and not affect the wine somehow okay but but
that is what lees are and so when it comes to verse six I will say this
because I've heard various people explain this I do believe the wine in
verse six is referring to alcoholic because lees form during the process of
fermentation okay now explain what this is referring to here in a second but I
definitely believe this is referring to alcoholic you know wine I've heard other
people say that they don't think it's alcoholic but this is how lees form is
during the process of fermentation okay from my understanding I'm not an expert
at this okay but one word it used in the description of lees where it says of wine
and beer are the lees are equally as to beer only dregs they use the word dreg
now I forgot to ask brother Mateus before the sermon but do they use that
word in Europe dreg like a dreg of society or you don't know what I'm
talking about only in America okay we use the term a dreg now that's term is
associated with beer but it's a term you use when you say a dreg of society what
you mean is a drug dealer a pedophile a drug addict people that are useless it's
a term use not a very common word but a dreg of society is someone who
basically provides no value to society and that's a term that the world uses
that guy's a dreg of society look at him he's always drunk he's always addicted
to drugs he is a dreg of society producing nothing just harming this
world and they're known as a dreg of society and look the term dreg in its
actual meaning is a useless thing that forms during the process of beer which
is equivalent to the lees with wine so basically a useless material okay you
say what is this referring to then look at verse six at the beginning and in
this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat
things a feast of wines and the leaves of fat things full of marrow of wines
and the leaves while refined now I do believe he's using the example of
alcoholic wine not to justify drinking but to give you an example what is he
saying I will remove the lease I will remove the wicked sinners that did not
believe on Jesus Christ I will get rid of the wicked people that will not
inherit heaven I will get rid of the dregs and lees of society look sometimes
in the Bible examples are given and you got to be very careful not to be so
specific you need to understand what's the point he's trying to make and he's
using an example that some people understand where he's saying hey you
know what I've got this process and I'm gonna remove the wicked useless people
okay that doesn't mean it's okay to drink wine just because he uses an
example okay you can see that the reference is during the end times here
verse 7 and he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast
over all people and the veil that is spread over all nations he will swallow
up death and victory and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces
and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth for the
Lord hath spoken it so notice how he's gonna wipe away all tears from your eyes
does that happen when you first go to heaven no that's late in the book of
Revelation he's explaining an end times reference of how he is going to remove
the wicked people that's what it says in verses 7 and verses 8 so he's not saying
in verse 6 hey we're all just gonna be drunk up in heaven it's not what he's
saying he's using an example of how this useless material forms and he says
that's gonna be what it's like during the end when I remove the wicked useless
people okay