This here is kind of a two-part question, but what advice do you give those, and I know
there's a lot of them here, who are people who are in agreement with us, but they're
a part of churches who are not, and in many cases, against us.
And a part of the code of preachers that I've been taught, when somebody visits your church
from another church, you let the pastor know.
Well, we can't do that because pastors freak out when they find other people visit churches
like ours.
And almost none of them do that anyway.
And I don't want to tattle on people, but at the same time, these people, they're desperate
to see their pastor change on these things, and what should they do?
How should they handle it in their church?
What advice do you have for that person?
Do you think they should try to change their pastor, and if yes, how?
That is a little bit of a, not complicated, but I think there's different situations that
need to be taken into account.
I know of people who go to old IFB churches where the pastor knows everything about what
they believe.
They know they're here this week, or whatever, and they have good relationships with those
pastors.
And those pastors aren't necessarily changing, but they can serve there, and they can be
a part of it.
They can teach, and preach, and lead soul-winning groups, and things like that.
And if you're not going to move, that's the second best option.
Obviously, the best option is move.
You're not going to be the church like Faithful Word.
You're not going to be the church like any of the churches that are represented at this
conference.
So if you can move, move.
That would be the first advice.
If for whatever reason you can't, or you're not willing to, you can find a church that's
in the old IFB where you can serve, and get plugged in, and not cause problems.
What it comes down to is that sometimes we are so right that we do it in the wrong way.
And guys can come in, and they start criticizing their pastor, or criticizing their pastor
to other people.
And they do it in a way that doesn't help, doesn't make us look good.
I would just encourage them, look, either it's a church you can get connected into or
not.
Right?
You've got to have your deal breakers.
And if there's no deal breaker there, then look, you're the one that chose to go to the
church where they have Sunday school.
So quit complaining about the Sunday school, because you don't have to go there.
You could move.
Oh, I can't.
Well, if you can't, you've got to understand that for yourself.
Because when they go into these churches, and they start causing problems, it doesn't
help.
I don't know that really helps anything.
But there are churches that people are just hostile towards us.
And in those situations, I would say, unless you enjoy going to church where every Sunday
night sermon is going to be directed at you, you need to find another place.
Because there are some pastors in the old IFB, they're not hostile.
They're just neutral, or they just want to stay out of it.
Because all these guys are starting to figure out that, wow, whenever somebody tells me
they came because they heard, they watched Pastor Anderson, or because they got saved
watching after tribulation, they're starting to connect the dots.
All these guys are tithing, and soul winning, and three to thrive.
And my house graduates, I can't get them to show up for Sunday night church.
So they're starting to realize that there's a benefit to having our people in their churches.
So if they're smart, they just keep their mouth shut, and not cause any problems.
But you've got the Keith Gomez's that are just hostile towards us.
I wouldn't spend my time in a church like that.
I try to find a church that I can get connected in, that I can get behind, or move.
It's really what it comes down to.
That's what Brother Garrett was preaching about.
You got to be willing to move.
Not just in the tribulation.
You got to be willing to move right now if you want to do great exploits for God sometimes.
Amen.
That's good.
Yeah.
And I just want to go on record as saying, I've been kind of on a mission to try to get
pastors to stop being hostile towards these people, but at the same time, because of it,
some of these people have started coming to my church, and they're great.
And so I'm like, yeah, y'all keep being mean to them, so come to my church.
But no, for their sakes, I'd like to see them change.
Well, I mean, here's the thing.
I mean, if you live within an hour of a church, of one of the men that is represented here,
I mean, drive.
I got a really nice guy over here.
But I mean, if you can go there, go there.
I'm talking about people that can't move, or it's just too far.
There are some old IFBs, I've been told, that would allow them to be members and serve and
all those things.
But just don't mess that up for yourself.
Just use some wisdom and discernment is what I would say.
So just quickly, I guess, do you have any advice for the younger men, a lot of young
guys in this that are looking to be a part of this, maybe wanting to pastor someday?
What's your advice for those young guys, the up-and-comers?
It's going to sound like I'm repeating myself, right?
But if you're here and you are just frustrated with your pastor, right, look, it's not good
for you to go to church and you're just whining and complaining to your wife in front of your
children about your pastor, right, all the time.
If that's the issue, then you need to move, right?
And if you can't, then try to be content.
That's the advice you give to the men that don't want to go in ministry, that don't have
that desire, that just want to be members and be faithful, right?
If you have a young guy who wants to pastor a church, as far as I can tell, there's one
option you move.
And I don't understand this thought where these guys are like, well, I want to be a
pastor, but I'm not going to move.
It's like you're a single guy.
It's hard to move because you've got to provide for a wife and children and all those things.
To me, unless your pastor is going to send you out, which I think is rare for IFB, I
mean, it happens, but I don't think it's, and the bigger this thing grows, I think the
less likely it's going to happen that they're going to send you out being connected to us.
I think the option is you've got to move, get to church, get trained, and get sent out.
Because look, if you want to pastor this type of church, why don't you get trained by one
of these types of pastors and really learn the ministry.
And I will say this, there's a big difference between watching the sermons online and being
part of the church.
I mean, those are two different worlds, and I would say that most of the lessons that
these guys learn as young men being trained in the ministry probably most of the time
come from when the camera's off and just watching us deal with people, deal with problems, deal
with issues when we're not putting that on YouTube necessarily.
So I mean, if you're a young guy and you want to go in the ministry, you need to move.
You need to move to church where you can get trained and you can get sent out, or have
your pastor train you.
But a lot of these guys, see these pastors, if you walk up to a pastor in the old IFB
and say, I want to be trained for the ministry, they're like, move to Golden State Baptist
College.
They don't even know how to train.
They don't even know what that means.
So I would say we'd be happy to train you guys and send you out.
So quick commercial, your two options, go pay thousands of dollars to go to Bible college
and learn how to work on a bus route, or come to our church and we will train you for free.
So I think that's a no brainer, but anyway.
Let me throw in a quick, just a little preaching, I guess, is we want to mock at the old IFB,
which we should.
Trust me, I've taken up as many jabs of them as anybody else.
But at least those guys are willing to move.
Those guys are willing to travel 3,000 miles to House Anderson or Commonwealth or whatever,
and then we've got some guys that are like, I've got this really good job at McDonald's,
and it's like, just move.
They're willing to do it.
They're willing to do it, and they're willing to go to school for 40 hours and work at night
or whatever.
I'm just saying, don't let them show you up.
So I guess final question, and just in your opinion, I know you're not a prophet, you
can't live in a crystal ball or anything, but being in this as long as you have, seeing
what you've seen in the last few years, what do you think is going to happen in the next
five years in this movement?
Have we peaked or are we just getting started?
There's no way in the world that we've peaked.
I think that 20 years from now, people, and don't take this the wrong way, but I think
20 years from now, people are going to be looking at things like the Prophecy Conference
and the Red Hot Preaching Conference and laughing at the fact that we thought it was a movement
now because of how big it's going to get.
Because this thing's just, we're not adding, we're multiplying.
I think it's going to, and I'm not a prophet, so if this doesn't come to pass, don't stone
me, right?
Just an opinion.
But I think the old IFB is going to finally die, and I think we're taking over, we're
going to take over, but I think we've only seen the beginning of it, and I mean, I don't
know what's going to happen with this movement, but I know this, that as long as we stay humble
and as long as we just keep the main thing, the main thing, the Great Commission, which
includes soul winning, it includes preaching the Bible and helping people grow, and of
course, having awesome events like this, because this is what the old IFB doesn't have, right?
They don't have Prophecy Conference, they don't have soul winning marathons all over
the country and the world.
As long as we just keep working, people are going to be attracted to this, and I think
this is just the beginning.
I think we're looking at just the start of what the Lord's going to do through this movement.
Well, thank you for that, and thank you for your testimony, Sid.
I was one of those watching, and I don't think a lot of these guys realize how many people
are watching and what a difference they are making by their sermons, by their actions,
and for me, I think the final thing for me that, I don't know, that told me, all right,
this is for real, these guys aren't in it for the fame and glory, I guess the faithfulness
when you guys were getting attacked with the protesters and all that, and the fact, too,
that I guess I expected to see a lot of the Baptists come on board and support them, some
of the big names that kind of stick up for them, and I didn't see that at all, unless
I missed something, and I kind of looked at myself as, I'm a little guy, I'm a nobody,
it's not really going to help if I say anything, but I felt like I missed an opportunity to
kind of get behind these guys in that situation, and when that happened, when I saw the lack
of support, and when I saw these guys stick it out and do the real thing, it really made
a huge impression on me, in a big way, and I guess I said, that's not going to happen
again, and so, you know, I felt like the next thing I saw when the whole thing happened
with the anti-Anderson conference, I was like, yeah, especially when it was my group, I'm
like, I'm not standing by this anymore, and so it was faithfulness for a long time, and
long-term faithfulness.
If they had just been faithful for a few years, and then quit, it wouldn't have done anything
for me, but it was that long-term faithfulness, and so I thank you for that, I thank many
of you that are here, many of you pastors, I appreciate your faithfulness, it means a
lot, and so keep it up, and so, Brother Paul, go ahead.
Thank you very much.