I put out a video last week putting a challenge out there telling everybody,
give me your best proof text proving that when we are raptured,
we are raptured to heaven. As always, you know,
when you challenge anyone's position, people lose their minds.
And I kind of hope that would happen. So again,
just because something is strange to you does not mean it's strange.
Let me be clear about that. Revelation seven does not prove we are in heaven.
I interpreted revelation seven exactly the way he did.
But again, until I got corrected, I got corrected on something.
So he's like translation.
I'm saving my weird obscure view of the rapture so I can get views on my next
video. Hey, you know, when people do have podcasts,
they do hope people watch it. But anyway, uh,
this weird interpretation sounds like the same weird interpretation that the
sons of God are not in heaven. In the book of Job,
there is nothing in Job one and two that explicitly says that's in heaven.
To me it is,
there is greater indication that it is on earth because of the
language being used there is very similar. In fact,
identical to language we see involving temple practices that were all on earth.
So he says the only way to try to wiggle out of the checkmate of the
rapture being us caught up to heaven is to say that revelation seven nine is not
the rapture now,
which is weird because pastor McMurtry faithfully taught this very thing for
years.
It seems that pastor McMurtry has been entering into a cloud of confusion and
darkness because the light of truth resembles what the new IFB is taught and
we can't have that. Who cares whether or not the new IFB teaches it.
If it's the Bible, then it's Bible. Nice.
Remember when Shelley accused me of teaching that the Roman centurion had like
Superman vision and was able to see through walls because I said he could see
the veil torn from, you know,
where Jesus was crucified.
Does anybody think that's what I actually believe?
Then we which are alive and remain should be caught up together with them in the
clouds who are the them those that he's going to bring with him and to meet the
Lord in the air. And so she'll ever be with the Lord. Okay.
Now that passage right there does not prove we're taken to heaven,
nor does it prove we're brought to earth. You could go either way.
So first Thessalonians four doesn't, it does not prove heaven,
nor does it prove earth. You can go either way.
And then we see the multitude in heaven in revelation seven nine,
following the same sequence of events in Matthew 24. Pastor McMurtry
already knows all this.
He's just choosing to go in the dark and entertain strange doctrines for
God knows what reason, but none of this has proven we're taken to heaven.
So there's a multitude of people in heaven that no man could number,
but they got there some other ways in the rapture or these people who have not
yet been, or are these people who have not yet been resurrected that are in
heaven. Okay. Here's my question. Sermon trailers.
Where did it say they were in heaven? Where did it say that?
After you see these scriptures, uh, it will, uh, it'll,
it'll blow your mind.
So then he says,
just trying to figure out what kind of weird mental gymnastics you have
to do to wiggle out of this. Hey, so just got your weird.
It's going to be weird mental gymnastics.
None of these verses demand a rapture in heaven.
None that he gave demand a rapture in heaven.
They don't say one way or the other. Hey, you think Isaiah 25 blew your mind?
We've got another one.
"Hide is from the face of him that sitteth on the throne."
"Sitteth on the throne, him that sitteth on the throne."
Are the people on earth seeing Jesus seated on a throne in heaven or on earth?
We all agree with that.
No matter where, even if you think we're getting raptured to Jupiter,
we're going to be with Christ. This is a slam dunk. OK, Matthew 25, 31.
"When the son of man shall come in his glory and all the holy angels with him,
then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory."
-Pow. -Oh!
This is a slam dunk. "Then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory."
-Pow. -Oh!
What? Bro, what are you talking about, man?
"Height is from him that sitteth on the throne." You know why?
Because they've seen him. He's here. This is on earth.
What? Bro, what are you talking about, man?
I only ever heard we were raptured to heaven.
I started questioning this a few years ago.
I thought no one else questioned this, so I pretty much ignored my own thoughts.
Yeah, there's a ton of people, just not typically Baptist.
"Strange to the Bible" is what I meant.
No, "strange to you."
It's not "strange to the Bible," it's "strange to you."
I'm showing all of these passages that we read us going to heaven on
don't explicitly tell us that, and they don't even seem to indicate that.
"It's weird," LOL, "it's a strange take."
No, it's "weird to you." It's not weird.
There's nothing, there's nothing weird about it.
Pastor shows like four or five slam dunk verses that show it's on earth.
I think I did. I think I did. And we did. We tried to take it, we tried to take it slow.
Stop it. Get some help.